Wacom Cintiq Pro 16 Gen 2 (2021) Review

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024

Комментарии • 131

  • @Tony-Bell
    @Tony-Bell 2 года назад +3

    Have they updated the larger pen displays? It's so hard to tell when you look on their site.

    • @mobiletechreview
      @mobiletechreview  2 года назад +3

      No, mostly because the larger 24" model already had the improvements this added (VESA mount, better cabling).

    • @Tony-Bell
      @Tony-Bell 2 года назад +1

      @@mobiletechreview Thanks :) I've been eyeing the 32 for years!

    • @irise_flow
      @irise_flow 2 года назад

      @@mobiletechreview so is it safe to go with them for the next years? I'm afraid to be surprised with newer models as soon as I get one.

  • @jasper_of_puppets
    @jasper_of_puppets 2 года назад +59

    I really wish Wacom would ditch the 16:9 TV aspect ratio and go with 3:2 or 16:10 - which, imo, is much _much_ better for art and design applications. I have the Cintiq Pro 24 and often find myself wanting more vertical real estate.

    • @stage666
      @stage666 2 года назад +12

      You know why? Because 16:9 displays are more common and cheaper. But they sure don't pass that saving to the consumer. This is underwhelming as FK.

    • @sethsdoodles
      @sethsdoodles 2 года назад +1

      @@stage666 yup. Btw, Huion just announced a 16 inch 2.5k display display tablet.

    • @eduard252
      @eduard252 2 года назад +2

      @@sethsdoodles didn't they already release both 16'' and 24'' tablets in 4K last year?

    • @eduard252
      @eduard252 2 года назад +1

      @@bobjames6622 I replied earlier with a link to the HUION website but of course RUclips deleted it. The new Kamvas tablets are in 4k - the 16" and 24" version were rereleased last year.
      Off note, it's kinda funny that RUclips ignores thousands of bots flooding comments on any new video but keeps consistently deleting legitimate comments.

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 2 года назад

      @@sethsdoodles This one's 4K.

  • @ch0nky42
    @ch0nky42 2 года назад +15

    Hi Lisa, Huion just released their Kamvas Pro 16 2.5K, would you consider reviewing it too?
    I've read that its brightness sits around 150-160 nits and that seems pretty low to me and want to know your opinion on the display. 🙏

  • @ralphmcmahan2139
    @ralphmcmahan2139 2 года назад +20

    My stick figures never looked so good

  • @jonathanbaird
    @jonathanbaird 2 года назад +39

    $1,500?! Have they seen the competition lately? The Cintiq may be superior for the most demanding of artists, yet I feel like many would be content (if not happier) with the M1 iPad Pro + Apple Pencil 2, which is an entire computer and incredible pen display for hundreds of dollars less.

    • @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086
      @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086 2 года назад +2

      Ooh please even Samsung sold EMR notebooks for much cheaper. Their Galaxy Book Flex is starting at $1200 ish, even that one has AMOLED display.

    • @chuzzbot
      @chuzzbot 2 года назад +1

      Apple? no thanks. bit small too as is this. But the wacom competition should make a nice slim 19 inch with wireless option.

    • @陆巍予
      @陆巍予 2 года назад +3

      iPad's GPU is too weak for multiple layer drawing and editing 3d objects in clip studio paint
      Most drawing screen have lots lag. You can use cintiq in tablet mode with much less lag for fast sketching.
      Cintiq's lag also affect by your gpu. I got a lot lagging when I was using it with my old gtx1070 gpu. After switching to Rtx 2060, the experience got a lot better.

    • @blue4059
      @blue4059 2 года назад +1

      @Nick Figueroa You can hook up tablets to a PC as a drawing monitor, software support these days allow seamless integration of stylus input for Android and iPadOS to PC.

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 2 года назад +1

      What's a computer?

  • @Jordanime88
    @Jordanime88 2 года назад +8

    The first gen was lemon I went through 2 replacement models due to a defect in the screen, a color rash would always occur after a couple months of use. Wacom eventually replaced with a refurbished 24 inch cintiq pro once the original 16 was discontinued, but only after I mentioned that there's a lot of competition with Huion these days. Hopefully this was addressed!

    • @Shinigami7of1
      @Shinigami7of1 2 года назад

      Got one on ebay for about 250 cause the person selling it listed wrong but I am thinking of selling it and just sticking to my old hd22

    • @MaZEEZaM
      @MaZEEZaM 2 года назад

      @@Shinigami7of1 do you live in Australia? ie selling

    • @elsevillaart
      @elsevillaart Год назад

      Yeah is because the pen touched the led screen directly. The plastic blended too much.

  • @koshisunuwarrai
    @koshisunuwarrai 2 года назад +23

    I think Wacom needs to up their game. because now there are other players in the market with similar products and some what better design & experience.

    • @malthus101
      @malthus101 Год назад

      which have better design?

  • @DraconicA5
    @DraconicA5 2 года назад +3

    I hope you can review the Huion Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) soon. Love your videos!

  • @stratcast667
    @stratcast667 2 года назад +12

    When you don't need the product but watch since the reviewer is SO GOOD 😋

  • @freddymiguelponce
    @freddymiguelponce 2 года назад

    Great review!
    Would you please tell me how loud is it? Does the fan turned on while you're recording?
    Thanks in advance and sorry for my English; I'm still learning
    Have a Productive and Healthy Day!

  • @ezrolly9898
    @ezrolly9898 2 года назад +3

    Huion has felt nibs now as well

  • @segawalilac
    @segawalilac 2 года назад +7

    I feel disappointed at the small incremental improvement compared to previous 16 inch model from 5 years ago, it's not even the price that is the issue. But then again, I don't even know what Wacom can improve on except the fan noise. Maybe 120hz refresh? Perhaps different aspect ratio? Make it lighter and more portable? Good to know that touch input works much better these days, though. Think I'll just hold on with an iPad pro for now.

    • @iBeatBoxz8
      @iBeatBoxz8 2 года назад +1

      can the iPad pro get things done the same way in terms of professional work?

    • @segawalilac
      @segawalilac 2 года назад +3

      @@iBeatBoxz8 Short answer, no, of course not. The iPad don't support all the softwares needed for a professional. Long answer, In my case, I don't sell art work as a side hassle anymore, so I actually just draw as a keen hobbyist. But if I were to sell again, I would draw on the iPad for the main artwork then do some final edits on the PC with a cheaper screen less tablet/Intuos. So iPad can be used as part of a professional work flow. But also I started digital art many years ago when screen tablets was waaaay above what I can afford and can use one to draw quite comfortably.

    • @blue4059
      @blue4059 2 года назад +1

      @AquaBoi : There are apps that allow any iPad to be hooked onto PC to be used with professional PC apps, these apps used to suck but they have improved a lot over the past 3 years.

    • @iBeatBoxz8
      @iBeatBoxz8 2 года назад

      @@blue4059 soo does that mean i can just pick up an iPad pro instead of a drawing tablet if i wanna start work? it is a cheaper alternative.

    • @MaZEEZaM
      @MaZEEZaM 2 года назад

      @@iBeatBoxz8 you would likely want the 12.9 inch Pro model plus the 2nd gen pen. At least in Australia, it would be pretty close in cost compared to the 16inch cintiq. Clip Studio Pro is a very good, affordable software for on all devices. So it could be done but for me, the biggest issue outside of software limitations is the screen surface, I just can't get my usual accuracy drawing on the glass surface of the ipad, its just too slippery and hard. It does however have a ton more uses rather than the cintiq which is solely designed for Art, photography and illustration. Consider your priorities and try to choose wisely, neither are cheap products.

  • @malthus101
    @malthus101 Год назад

    so these things have GPUs built in? I can run this off a mini / micro desktop PC with Celeron processors? thanks

  • @eyesopen6110
    @eyesopen6110 5 месяцев назад

    Are they discontinued? can't seem to find them for sale anywhere..

  • @thomastuorto9929
    @thomastuorto9929 2 года назад +6

    Can these screens be calibrated for photography work or are they better being paired with a editing monitor? Thanks for any replies in advance.

    • @mobiletechreview
      @mobiletechreview  2 года назад +2

      Yes you can calibrate it just like any monitor. Though the factory calibration is really very good out of the box for the Adobe RGB preset.

    • @dzibanart8521
      @dzibanart8521 2 года назад

      they are intended for professional work (photographers, 3d artists, 2d artists) and are factory calibrated 100% Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB.

    • @thomastuorto9929
      @thomastuorto9929 2 года назад

      @@dzibanart8521 I do & would want one for photography/photogaphy art & feel this would be better for me over the intuos with no screen. If it couldn't be calibrated, I would just use it with another larger monitor which I would do anyway. Thank you for the reply. All screens need recalibration over time. Thank you for the replies.

    • @dzibanart8521
      @dzibanart8521 2 года назад +1

      @@thomastuorto9929 this is a monitor just like any other monitor, so it can be calibrated, but it is pre-calibrated from factory with better tools than consumers have.

  • @octonolite_0
    @octonolite_0 2 года назад

    I always enjoy your presentation. Thanks for the thorough explanation!

  • @elsevillaart
    @elsevillaart Год назад

    Did they fix the pen touching the led screen while adding much pressure? That made the screen to fail with multiple green pixels. Touching the pixels directly not good. I broke like 3 of them, same error.

  • @rabia1035
    @rabia1035 Год назад

    Is this tablet standalone? Can it be used without a computer?

  • @jakeliujakeliu
    @jakeliujakeliu 2 года назад +1

    Can this do one cable usb c power, don’t need additional power source.

  • @softwaremaniacgsm2687
    @softwaremaniacgsm2687 2 года назад

    Latest Mac drivers with two external hires displays on M1 Max (Monterey) doesn't work with Cintig Pro. 1 external (in addition to Cintiq Pro works fine), so hopefully the way some artists work with multiple monitors, Wacom will fix that. What happens? The pen input becomes confused and only seems to track on one of the other displays (and not on the Cintiq Pro). Going back to 6-3-44-2 driver, everything works. Nice review,I didn't realize all of the improvements that you found.
    Do you EVER breathe during these video takes? Whew. Fast!

  • @MaZEEZaM
    @MaZEEZaM 2 года назад

    Great review, thanks. I'm just waiting for Wacom Australia to have these back in stock so I can buy one.

  • @joshualogan84
    @joshualogan84 2 года назад

    Would you go for this or the upcoming new M series ipad pro?

  • @KeeksSnoogie79
    @KeeksSnoogie79 2 года назад

    Where can I get it? Been looking all over for it doesn't seem like anymore available Im sad.

  • @themadatheist1976
    @themadatheist1976 2 года назад +1

    Would like to get a 16" but it won't fit in my laptop bag. And yes, I want a 16" screen so I can use it as a secondary monitor.

  • @rohietseosahai7354
    @rohietseosahai7354 Год назад

    Can we have a review of the new Cintiq 27 pro please?

  • @skywolf7566
    @skywolf7566 2 года назад

    Would you recommend this for people starting out into Digital Drawing?

    • @Deredesa
      @Deredesa 2 года назад +1

      Starting out you may want something more affordable from another brand, this would be nice if you’re really familiar already with windows art programs. Otherwise other brands are much more affordable and if you own a laptop already this may be a waste of money if not being used professionally. An iPad Air used with programs like procreate or Clip Studio Paint would be much more reasonable to suggest for a beginner.

  • @4thNebula
    @4thNebula 2 года назад

    I am using Rebelle 5 Pro more and more for digital art. Only available on MacOS and Windows so need Macbook or Surface Laptop Studio (on my lap). If I got a Macbook I would have to have this since no pen capability. If I got SLS why would I even want the Cintiq 16 or Cintiq Pro 16.

  • @danielhirst3151
    @danielhirst3151 2 года назад

    Er, competitors do offer different kinds of nibs. Huions latest 2.5k comes with 10 nibs, 5 being felt tip. And XP pen have a touch screen with gestures out too.

  • @robertoaguiluz7350
    @robertoaguiluz7350 2 года назад

    Hi, nice review, can this be powered by a single usb C cable?

    • @aeonbreak4728
      @aeonbreak4728 11 месяцев назад

      have you figured this out?

  • @anmolagrawal5358
    @anmolagrawal5358 2 года назад

    When you say the overall drawing experience is still better on the Wacom, by any chance, can you quantify that? (pen latency, accurate pressure sensitivity etc.) Because if it is just the tip options and premium *feel* of the product, from a technical perspective, Huion / XP-Pen aren't that far off

  • @Gray-Today
    @Gray-Today Год назад

    4:43 Shading is not usually shown in these YT vids. This shading spanks the XP-Pen. The Apple Pencil is "different," and neither one is a real pencil, but this one is not too shabby. I would like to see hand-lettering, drafting style. That would show pressure sensitivity very well. Shading and pressure are the 2 big deals.

  • @Miii_Houp
    @Miii_Houp 2 года назад

    I think there's actually more color than that P3. I think Microsoft put a patch on it. Something related to the Japan "The Big One Earthquake" I think it's a temporary patch.

  • @monaforouzan4143
    @monaforouzan4143 2 года назад

    Is it suitable for UI / UX designers?

    • @benv.4036
      @benv.4036 2 года назад

      Wouldn't any screen be good for that?

  • @benderthefourth3445
    @benderthefourth3445 Год назад

    I have a first Gen and the "stand legs" slip when I drawing!!

  • @maxziebell4013
    @maxziebell4013 2 года назад +3

    I owned one of the big Cintiqs with the 20+ kg foot, meanwhile, sold. I am delighted with a lightweight iPad Pro and Pencil, and lately with Sidecar. Totally fine for most case… not carrying these monsters around anymore. Wacom's devices feel ancient in comparison.

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 2 года назад

      You were carrying these around?

    • @maxziebell4013
      @maxziebell4013 2 года назад +2

      @@gyozakeynsianism Certainly not as I had the big and heavy version… just moved it around sometime when changing offices. Sorry I meant more … I am now carrying around my iPad… and compared it on that level. I can see how my thought didn't come across.

  • @kaspergamer460
    @kaspergamer460 2 года назад +20

    I must say these 16 inch screens are really disappointing. I'm used to drawing on A4 sheets of paper in landscape position, but a 16 inch screen actually has less vertical space by roughly an inch. And that's not counting the space occupied by software interface. The next size up has the opposite issue, the pro 24 is so massive that it's really uncomfortable to have on your desk and draw on. I was hoping that they'd have the common sense to add a nice in-between option like a 19 or 20 inch, but then they came out with the pro 32. So annoying.

    • @MaZEEZaM
      @MaZEEZaM 2 года назад +2

      @Aarav Kumar I would think the main reason they don't sell more is the cost as though the 16inch model have made it far more likely people will be able to afford one, its still a premium product that is out of reach for many that would want one. They the best, you generally get what you pay for.

    • @MaZEEZaM
      @MaZEEZaM 2 года назад +2

      I think they used to offer a 21 or 22 inch model and that was replaced by the 24inch. I don't understand why it needs to fit an A4 sheet of paper given its digital, you can set the image size in the software and then zoom in or out to fit your needs.

    • @lillianmoon4573
      @lillianmoon4573 2 года назад

      @@MaZEEZaM I still have my 12 inch from 2010 and have found that's plenty of screen space for drawing. I think our brains just adjust to whatever we have in front of us after enough practice

    • @lillianmoon4573
      @lillianmoon4573 2 года назад

      I have a 34 inch gaming monitor as my primary display and when I read 32" cintiq my jaw dropped. I can see right in front of me how large that is. It's like drawing on a television.

  • @Zulgurub
    @Zulgurub 2 года назад

    Very informative!

  • @jeffhale1189
    @jeffhale1189 2 года назад

    Thanks for sharing. Blessings on your day.

  • @littleripper312
    @littleripper312 2 года назад

    Maybe this will lead to a gen 2 for the 24 inch

  • @Chewbacca2000
    @Chewbacca2000 2 года назад

    Thanks!!

  • @TheAikatsuFan
    @TheAikatsuFan 2 года назад

    The first generation is better because it has more ports even though it doesn’t have a type a port it actually has a headphone port which is used for for desktops and an SD card

    • @elsevillaart
      @elsevillaart Год назад

      If it not failed probably. But got three faulty tablets with green pixels after a month of use each. I gave up.

  • @sergeserenkov4733
    @sergeserenkov4733 2 года назад

    While I love my 32inch 4k monitor, imo 4k on 16inch is waste of money, 1440p would be enough and cut a cost a little

  • @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086
    @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086 2 года назад

    Please review the new 4K 16" XP-Pen and Huion lineups too.

  • @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086
    @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086 2 года назад +2

    As a professional gear, I wish at least they put up a better panel. 10-bit (they larger variant offered that for decades) and 3D LUT calibration. Maybe okay it's not an HDR since it isn't intended for video productions but just reaching 400nits is laughably terrible these days.

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 2 года назад

      Laughably terrible? Do you work at the beach?

    • @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086
      @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086 2 года назад +4

      @@gyozakeynsianism It is for the price. The panel is not so much special for the price. The cheapest mini LED screen you can buy, a 12.9" iPad Pro, starting at cheaper price than this. Samsung Galaxy Book Flex is a full fledged $1200 OLED notebook with built in S-Pen, which is a Wacom EMR. Viewsonic VP2785 4K is a 24" Fogra-certified monitor that is 10-bit, has 3D LUT calibration, that being sold for around $900. You could probably get a second 8K Dell monitor for that price too. Just because it is a very small niche market doesn't mean you can priced it whatever you like. Not to mention there's a lot going on in monitor development in 5 years, yet all you got is an "S" version of your 5 yr old device? Heck this is much less worthy than what iPhone 13 has compared to its predecessor.

    • @blue4059
      @blue4059 2 года назад

      @@gyozakeynsianism $200 Android Tablets with Stylus have 400nits display as the very minimum

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 2 года назад

      @@hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086 Can you get a 4K wide gamut monitor WITHOUT high end pen support and tablet ergonomics for $1500? Maybe. And these devices are not designed for outdoor use. There's nothing laughable about this.

    • @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086
      @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086 2 года назад

      @@gyozakeynsianism Have you ever heard portable monitors? Some of those are 4K, wide gamuts and much cheaper. Lisa did reviewed the one from Desklab. Sure we may can care less about brightness but other points still checked out (and yet you ignored it). An 8-bit 16" IPS monitor is far from well justified for that price. For that price a 16" laptop is more well justified (see the Galaxy Book Note that i mentioned earlier? it has Wacom EMR too). Wacom knew how small the market is and they still on the lead for their reliable EMR pens so they can keep their price unreasonably high. Don't even talk about their Mobilestudio Pro lineup.

  • @JokoJMC
    @JokoJMC 2 года назад

    Competition make Wacom more aggressive and pushed them to make refreshed product

  • @e.777.r2
    @e.777.r2 2 года назад +1

    The thing that really annoys me about Wacom if that they have removed the buttons on the side so you're forced to buy their remote.. Im happy with my iPad Pro ;-), Ive never had any lag with it.

    • @david47lee
      @david47lee 2 года назад

      That's the one issue I have with my Cintiq 13 pro is the lag and I've been tempted to get an iPad pro. I feel like if Wacom solved this one issue then it would be the best tablet. I've also been curious about the Remarkable 2 for drawing.

  • @lamarrion
    @lamarrion 2 года назад +3

    Very pricey. A lot more competition out there for half the price. XP PEN 24” is 899.

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 2 года назад +1

      4K wide gamut with high end Wacom pen support, plus the ergonomic touches. At $1500 US this definitely isn't "very pricey". This is high end professional gear that just happens to be small.

  • @inveele
    @inveele 2 года назад +1

    Huion kamvas pro 16 (4K) is half the price..

    • @sethsdoodles
      @sethsdoodles 2 года назад +2

      Xp pen 16tp is a better comparison because it’s 4k with touch gestures

    • @azumi5929
      @azumi5929 2 года назад

      Does it have multitouch too?

  • @gyozakeynsianism
    @gyozakeynsianism 2 года назад

    Those ergonomic touches (cables, risers + stand + VESA mount, the external controller thing, sophisticated pen tech) are what make these dedicated devices so compelling. I don't think the commenters here understand that $1500 for this kind of device is good value.

  • @SourPlanet
    @SourPlanet 2 года назад +3

    Too little too late. The alternatives are improving by leaps and bounds. Wacom is falling into typical big-tech incremental update mode- relying on brand recognition to stay afloat.
    It's still working for now... but the word is out. XP-Pen, Huion, etc... they all beat wacom at significantly lower price points. Artists can get set to do pro level work with a $250 tablet monitor and $25 software now. Great time to get into the game 💪💪

  • @shadowsdie2wice
    @shadowsdie2wice 2 года назад +1

    I don't know what actually is this but it sure looks like a device from 2013.

  • @alksjda
    @alksjda 2 года назад

    Wacom > *

  • @themadatheist1976
    @themadatheist1976 2 года назад +1

    Looks like you have a scammer using you profile pic ask for posters to call the number in their profile name.

  • @TheJohnRowley
    @TheJohnRowley 2 года назад

    Wacom keep putting out over priced, heavy, fan noisy devices. If Apple starts making giant ipads or imacs with touch screens Wacom will lose so much of their business - and frankly they'd deserve it - they've had years to get it together and this is the best they can do in 2022? Meh. I work as an animator and use a cintiq quad hd 27" but if i could use an ipad with a larger screen to access desktop apps I'd ditch my cintiq.

  • @keithtam8859
    @keithtam8859 2 года назад

    huion 16" 4k is cheaper and better spec, wacom lost the game

  • @pedroalber6066
    @pedroalber6066 2 года назад

    feels that wacom its getting old

  • @emmanuelgonzales586
    @emmanuelgonzales586 2 года назад +2

    Wacom is so out of touch whats on the market now

  • @andysilvers9532
    @andysilvers9532 2 года назад +1

    3rd yass queen

  • @wunder8048
    @wunder8048 2 года назад +2

    First to comment hell yes

  • @stimmymcgotems408
    @stimmymcgotems408 2 года назад +2

    Looks like something from 2010 😵‍💫

    • @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086
      @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086 2 года назад +4

      Maybe this is first time you're seeing displays like this. That's how every pen displays are. The bezel is purposefully put there to provide space for palmrest.

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 2 года назад

      You sound like you were born in 2010.

    • @stimmymcgotems408
      @stimmymcgotems408 2 года назад

      @@hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086 Makes sense thx for the clarification!

    • @stimmymcgotems408
      @stimmymcgotems408 2 года назад

      @@gyozakeynsianism buuurn

    • @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086
      @hahaiseewhatyouredoing9086 2 года назад

      @@gyozakeynsianism Tell that to Wacom, Huion, XP-Pen, and everyone on that plays on this market, not me.

  • @TaskerTech
    @TaskerTech 2 года назад +3

    better off with an ipad pro m1

    • @mobiletechreview
      @mobiletechreview  2 года назад +10

      Not if you need to use full Photoshop, Corel Painter, Blender and all those other desktop programs for you daily workflow.

    • @hufnaaratnaaf
      @hufnaaratnaaf 2 года назад

      @@mobiletechreview to be honest, if you use sidecar or other methods to connect the iPad to your PC/Mac it still gives you better screen quality and the stylus feel... I've been waiting for a long time for Wacom to up their game, but I don't see them as a serious choice after Cintiq 21UX (1st gen with 4:3 screen ratio).

    • @inisipisTV
      @inisipisTV 2 года назад +1

      @@hufnaaratnaaf - Nope. Sidecar is to laggy and quite unworkable. Better get a Huion or XP. But if you're really serious pro get a Wacom for real long term and hard use.