@@karenreddy No, they are less accurate, does not have multi-touch, have noticeably more parallax, less durable, and much less color accurate, I know that because I owned a Huion Kamvas Pro 13, it's parallax compared to even a 2019 Wacom one 13 is just sh*t, even though the Wacom does not have a laminated display; the IPS screen actually have color shift due to overheating on the spot where it heats up frequently and I haven't even used it for 2 years; their driver is also very glitchy, my Huion tablet's driver freaks out blender when I try to use the express key on the pen to pan around, it is absolutely unusable in blender. I don't understand how it got a 4.5 star on amazon, I guess people who buys this kind of cheap Chinese tablet are amateur artists who don't care about parallax, pen accuracy, color accuracy, or just general reliability. Never buying one of this ever again, currently getting myself a Cintiq pro.
Seriously... the gen to gen specs are not like light years ahead... yet the pricing on these display tablets is absolutely absurd. Even their lower gen products are not THAT affordable. Their pen tablet are still twice the price of comparable products. I hope xencelab hurry up with the different display tablets. They only have one so far. It seems people really like them.
It's idiotic. I'm using a very old Cintiq - it's got massive bezels, heavy, comparitively low resolution - but there is no way on earth I'm paying these prices to replace it any time soon, their unit sales must be plummeting - at least I hope so, greedy buggers.
Seems like a good product but Wacom behavior is like there is no competition out there. $2,000 for a 17 inch screen? Not in my life time. And thats coming from a 32 inch Cintiq Pro Owner.
Competition isn't close enough yet to cause worry. Wacom packs luxury features compared to others and on top of that adds extra simply because customer still accepts it.
@@don-dori Not worth all the "luxury" in my opinion. At the end of the day, it's put pen on screen make mark, and the price just isn't worth it for that.
@@SketchPLAY1 Agreed, would be nice if they offered non-touch version at least. That alone would cut the price for $300-500 and it's a feature not everyone wants, maybe even offer a 1440p res. But doing that they would go into the "budget" territory which they don't seem to be willing to do with Cintiq family (especially not Pro version). Wacom's main aim with Cintiq are larger studios rather than individuals, and there they can put whatever they want and sell for whatever crazy price simply because industry accepts it as "industry standard". Same deal with Adobe vs competition in software field, sadly.
@@don-doriYep that would lower the cost for sure I think touch devices are more suitable for mobile devices, not to say they cant be used in stationary setups. I honestly think that Wacom will go bust soon if they don't figure out a way to compete with the Chinese brands.
@@don-dori Competition isn't close enough? A freaking iPad has a 120hz screen, arguably a better pen experience, definitely better touch implementation, better software integration, better utility, hell, it can work on it's own for many hours and you can get one for $500. Pen and Procreate included. That still talking expensive. If Wacom doest wake up from this denial they will soon cease to exist like Kodak.
Can I ask I want to buy the 27 but it sounds sad but I online I can't differentiate between the new ones and I'll ones. Also I want the 27 best specs color wise. And is there a cpu in each one or is it in a tablet pro standalone ? Apprec any feedback thank you
Does wacom know that we artists don’t earn that much? Was really looking forward for this update hoping pricing would be competitive with all the competition growing. But all I got is sadness.
This pricing is absolutley ridiculous. Even with the display specs and features like the pen and 120hrtz display wacom alternatives are still far more compelling imo, like the Kamvas 24 which i managed to get for 700, but even at its rrp id still comsider it a better buy.
How did you feel about the pixel density between the 22 and 27? Being so close while drawing I worry that the 27 may not feel as nice to use as the 22 with its slightly reduced clarity.
There is really no right or wrong when it comes to this. The density is indeed higher with the 22 and the footprint is nice too with a good balance of physical size to available pixel workspace/size. Even more density with the 17 but that one is too small for my workflow.
How has the parallax and pen tracking accuracy improved since the previous Cintiq Pro? I see a lot of reviews but nobody talks about this if there is any improvement or not.
I really enjoy using all my Wacom. I guess I gonna see you every new cintiq release 😂 which is good. I do enjoy n like your review style n detail provides. Having said that the only thing I would hope for is the non touch version for 22 and/or 27 inches model. The flex arm mount is a nice touch. However if i happen to get one of these new Cintiq pro, i would go for the stand this time as it doesn’t take much space nor bulky n heavy.
sorry can i ask you do you think that the size (17 inch) for screen display tablet is prohibitive for a professional concept artist? (I intend to give it as a gift to a friend who is a professional)
I bought the 27 which I use in home/office and the 17 for mobile/portable use (kinda big). I also found an amazing solid, small stand. Now that the Wacom macOS drivers are solid (they weren't about 18 months ago), they are worth the price.
I would love to see a direct comparison between the XP-Pen Artist Pro 16 (Gen 2) and the Cintiq 16. In terms of sensation when drawing, but mainly in terms of quality and durability. I know that the Cintiq 16 is inferior in terms of technical specifications, but I'm still considering buying it because I still don't know how long this XPPen will last, but I know that Wacom is reliable in this regard.
Thank you for this, the info regarding the (multi) touch feature on these displays on Wacoms site was worrisome. I have the original 22" multi-touch gesture screen. I got used to it throughout the years, & adore it. I don't want to be spending $3K, plus tax on a screen that don't have that ability (the 22" with the Wacom 3 pen is the one I'm most curious on). Pretty sure that my Ergotron arm (that I use for my current Wacom) would work on this new screen also.
it does look like it reflects a lot of light from the environment. I don't like that at all i thought they would improve from the previous models but it looks the same.
Just asking, since I can see you are using Mac + USB C. How much does wacom hate desktop PC user these days? From another video review they say the best response is by using usb c? Yes. I still remember the botched release of Pro 13 and 16.
i've been getting great service from my 16" HD over the last 5 years. any extras to me are really superfluous as are the exorbitant prices. i'd much rather buy a jalopy with that money.
Personally I feel extremely frustrated with the last Wacom citinc pro. For the price I would have been delighted to get a minimalistic tablet, just a thin tablet without all the blabla about the holes, the gadgets, the "shortcuts" weird shape. Aaaa I'm gonna get it because I'm a pro in animation and it's the best but damn I'm frustrated, what is wrong with their designers...
as much as i want a wacom because of the price i settled with huion display and pen tablet to raplace my wacom products i mostly used it for aniamtion work anyway dont need color accuracy that much
The (multi) touch feature is the most important thing to me. I went to their site & the info regarding that was atrocious. I have the original 22" (multi) touch screen version, with the original pen & holder. I adore it, but it's getting on in years & can only go so much in depth with certain pieces (since it only goes to 1980x1080). Don't want to be spending $3K, & there's no (multi) touch feature.
I hope Apple bring out a touch screen iMac / monitor to offer some serious competition to Wacom, maybe then they will stop charging such exorbitant prices
@@Babarbar A 27" Wacom monitor with no computer costs £3749.99 including stand - that's a touchscreen monitor and pen, no computer - I think apple could produce a touchscreen 27" iMac for that price and you'd get a computer in it!
Im sorry, I don't care how pro you think people are to justify not including a stand for that price point is an intentional move to make more money. It's the equivalent to Apple, not including charging bricks or headphones to their iPhones. For people like me who don't work for huge companies but want to create/deliver commercial quality work, this is priced out of my budget. I spend 30-40 hours retouching a week, if not more, with my tablet and have out grown it. I'd have to drastically raise my prices to even think of upgrading and to explain that to clients who want quality at an affordable price, at this point would just go to a bigger editing house. It's like these companies don't want us to access their products.
i jumped off my chair wtf was that intro volume its too loud, talking voice so low then music so loud. is this a horror movie, i just want to learn from the vid not die from heart attack
Prices aside... This machine is a huge disappointment! The older DTK 2200 has 8 buttons on one side AND a rear touch strip! I'm done buying wacom because they continue to move backwards! The Cintiq pro 22 only has 4 buttons on one side, and they're not ergonomically friendly. I'm still using the DTK 2200 after having used the the cintiq pro 22 because of the lack of buttons (on the front!) and no touch strip on the back. Maybe some day they'll read our posts and fix it. Stylus doesn't even have an eraser! It's faster to flip the stylus than to reach for the third button on the pen to guess where the eraser is! When you draw 60hrs/week for the last 20 years, you start to know what works and what doesn't. The Cintiq pro 22 does not work.
yeah not affiliate but a completely sell out review...seriously who ever is interested watch any other review on yt to find out some of the negatives of this line up that may impact your experience
yeah shit is overpriced its the price tag for drawing on a screen that doesn't suck ass, but people saying the alternatives are "just as good"? no lol, wacom charges this because the competition still hasn't caught up. Wacom pen is still the best drawing to date the competitors suffer with colour accuracy, parallax issues, weird driver quirks , still refuse to give us 120hz and some like xp pen are pumping out fucking 1080p screens and small android tablets. Huion is the only serious competitor, the closest we have gotten is the new kamvas 19, which is more smart buy than this ridiculous wacom 17, and kamvas 27 which is expensive for a 60hz panel.
@@Babarbar i think the newer cintiq pros , specifically 27 and the 22 are better standards. burt yea all the image quality sucks on all these display tablets due to etched glass or shitty resolution. in fact, ur imac is one of the rare glossy monitor which is hard to beatr
At these price points all 3 of them should have 99% Adobe RGB.
Wacom products are becoming ridiculously expensive - glad to have other options like Xencelabs, Huion etc.
for real!
Expensive and NOISY (fans)
Are Xencelabs and Huion better in terms of quality?
@@karenreddy No, they are less accurate, does not have multi-touch, have noticeably more parallax, less durable, and much less color accurate, I know that because I owned a Huion Kamvas Pro 13, it's parallax compared to even a 2019 Wacom one 13 is just sh*t, even though the Wacom does not have a laminated display; the IPS screen actually have color shift due to overheating on the spot where it heats up frequently and I haven't even used it for 2 years; their driver is also very glitchy, my Huion tablet's driver freaks out blender when I try to use the express key on the pen to pan around, it is absolutely unusable in blender. I don't understand how it got a 4.5 star on amazon, I guess people who buys this kind of cheap Chinese tablet are amateur artists who don't care about parallax, pen accuracy, color accuracy, or just general reliability. Never buying one of this ever again, currently getting myself a Cintiq pro.
@@karenreddy Actually yes. I got a chance to try them all at Lightbox 2023.
Seriously... the gen to gen specs are not like light years ahead... yet the pricing on these display tablets is absolutely absurd. Even their lower gen products are not THAT affordable. Their pen tablet are still twice the price of comparable products. I hope xencelab hurry up with the different display tablets. They only have one so far. It seems people really like them.
Huion is getting there
It's idiotic. I'm using a very old Cintiq - it's got massive bezels, heavy, comparitively low resolution - but there is no way on earth I'm paying these prices to replace it any time soon, their unit sales must be plummeting - at least I hope so, greedy buggers.
Seems like a good product but Wacom behavior is like there is no competition out there. $2,000 for a 17 inch screen? Not in my life time. And thats coming from a 32 inch Cintiq Pro Owner.
Competition isn't close enough yet to cause worry. Wacom packs luxury features compared to others and on top of that adds extra simply because customer still accepts it.
@@don-dori Not worth all the "luxury" in my opinion. At the end of the day, it's put pen on screen make mark, and the price just isn't worth it for that.
@@SketchPLAY1 Agreed, would be nice if they offered non-touch version at least. That alone would cut the price for $300-500 and it's a feature not everyone wants, maybe even offer a 1440p res. But doing that they would go into the "budget" territory which they don't seem to be willing to do with Cintiq family (especially not Pro version). Wacom's main aim with Cintiq are larger studios rather than individuals, and there they can put whatever they want and sell for whatever crazy price simply because industry accepts it as "industry standard". Same deal with Adobe vs competition in software field, sadly.
@@don-doriYep that would lower the cost for sure I think touch devices are more suitable for mobile devices, not to say they cant be used in stationary setups. I honestly think that Wacom will go bust soon if they don't figure out a way to compete with the Chinese brands.
@@don-dori Competition isn't close enough? A freaking iPad has a 120hz screen, arguably a better pen experience, definitely better touch implementation, better software integration, better utility, hell, it can work on it's own for many hours and you can get one for $500. Pen and Procreate included. That still talking expensive. If Wacom doest wake up from this denial they will soon cease to exist like Kodak.
Please note that the Cintiq Pro 17 is delivered only with a usb-c cable, the displayport cable or hdmi cable are not available for the 17.
choose the kamvas pro 16 (the most current generation which is 2.5 k) it is the best 16 inch tablet on the market above wacom
Really amazing review. Thank you. I bought the Cintiq Pro 27 and even though it cost a fortune, I'd rather have a quality tool that I can depend on.
Can I ask I want to buy the 27 but it sounds sad but I online I can't differentiate between the new ones and I'll ones. Also I want the 27 best specs color wise. And is there a cpu in each one or is it in a tablet pro standalone ? Apprec any feedback thank you
Does wacom know that we artists don’t earn that much? Was really looking forward for this update hoping pricing would be competitive with all the competition growing. But all I got is sadness.
They're hoping studios buy them.
Your new favourite feature is the pen - not the 120 hz?
This pricing is absolutley ridiculous. Even with the display specs and features like the pen and 120hrtz display wacom alternatives are still far more compelling imo, like the Kamvas 24 which i managed to get for 700, but even at its rrp id still comsider it a better buy.
How are the Mac drivers? Wacom Center *never* seems to initialize properly.
Fan noise is really an annoying point for me... I'm looking for a silent tablet.
How did you feel about the pixel density between the 22 and 27? Being so close while drawing I worry that the 27 may not feel as nice to use as the 22 with its slightly reduced clarity.
There is really no right or wrong when it comes to this. The density is indeed higher with the 22 and the footprint is nice too with a good balance of physical size to available pixel workspace/size. Even more density with the 17 but that one is too small for my workflow.
You mentioned an older model of the flex arm, so is there a newer gen model, or do I need the adapter for any flex arm?
What about the 32 the dismissed one ?
How has the parallax and pen tracking accuracy improved since the previous Cintiq Pro? I see a lot of reviews but nobody talks about this if there is any improvement or not.
I really enjoy using all my Wacom. I guess I gonna see you every new cintiq release 😂 which is good. I do enjoy n like your review style n detail provides. Having said that the only thing I would hope for is the non touch version for 22 and/or 27 inches model. The flex arm mount is a nice touch. However if i happen to get one of these new Cintiq pro, i would go for the stand this time as it doesn’t take much space nor bulky n heavy.
sorry can i ask you do you think that the size (17 inch) for screen display tablet is prohibitive for a professional concept artist?
(I intend to give it as a gift to a friend who is a professional)
I bought the 27 which I use in home/office and the 17 for mobile/portable use (kinda big). I also found an amazing solid, small stand. Now that the Wacom macOS drivers are solid (they weren't about 18 months ago), they are worth the price.
I have a question: With the adapter, did you use Wacom’s Flex Arm on the 22” tablet?
A high-tech nib remover tool? It’s a piece of metal that pinches…
You know the meaning of the word ‚sarcasm‘, don‘t you? 😂
What about 24 inch pro?
Hmmm i think i keep rocking the 24inch for next few years or until they really come out with something spectacular.
I would love to see a direct comparison between the XP-Pen Artist Pro 16 (Gen 2) and the Cintiq 16.
In terms of sensation when drawing, but mainly in terms of quality and durability.
I know that the Cintiq 16 is inferior in terms of technical specifications, but I'm still considering buying it because I still don't know how long this XPPen will last, but I know that Wacom is reliable in this regard.
Half the budget for me would be for gaining. Then I could justify the price. What it like as a gaming monitor for a side hobbies?
Thank you for this, the info regarding the (multi) touch feature on these displays on Wacoms site was worrisome. I have the original 22" multi-touch gesture screen. I got used to it throughout the years, & adore it. I don't want to be spending $3K, plus tax on a screen that don't have that ability (the 22" with the Wacom 3 pen is the one I'm most curious on). Pretty sure that my Ergotron arm (that I use for my current Wacom) would work on this new screen also.
For 3500 grand the least I would expect is OLED or mini LED, passive cooling and for it to clean my house.
it does look like it reflects a lot of light from the environment. I don't like that at all i thought they would improve from the previous models but it looks the same.
Just wondering who are Wacom customer? independent Artist or Enterprises? with such fortune only big corp can afford Wacom Cintiq
Just asking, since I can see you are using Mac + USB C. How much does wacom hate desktop PC user these days? From another video review they say the best response is by using usb c? Yes. I still remember the botched release of Pro 13 and 16.
The fan isn’t loud at all. More quiet than my pc honestly. Why do people complain about this fan?
It seams like you have an loud pc or got an super lucky charge with an silent fan.
Or kids... kids are loud. Really though, I've never noticed a fan noise. Same as a pc in idle.
i've been getting great service from my 16" HD over the last 5 years. any extras to me are really superfluous as are the exorbitant prices. i'd much rather buy a jalopy with that money.
Personally I feel extremely frustrated with the last Wacom citinc pro. For the price I would have been delighted to get a minimalistic tablet, just a thin tablet without all the blabla about the holes, the gadgets, the "shortcuts" weird shape. Aaaa I'm gonna get it because I'm a pro in animation and it's the best but damn I'm frustrated, what is wrong with their designers...
thank goodness for xp pen and huion
That is a review, thank you very much for your time!
as much as i want a wacom because of the price i settled with huion display and pen tablet to raplace my wacom products i mostly used it for aniamtion work anyway dont need color accuracy that much
The (multi) touch feature is the most important thing to me. I went to their site & the info regarding that was atrocious. I have the original 22" (multi) touch screen version, with the original pen & holder. I adore it, but it's getting on in years & can only go so much in depth with certain pieces (since it only goes to 1980x1080). Don't want to be spending $3K, & there's no (multi) touch feature.
I hope Apple bring out a touch screen iMac / monitor to offer some serious competition to Wacom, maybe then they will stop charging such exorbitant prices
That would be great, but I'm afraid that if Apple releases such a screen, it will cost twice as much as Wacom.
@@Babarbar A 27" Wacom monitor with no computer costs £3749.99 including stand - that's a touchscreen monitor and pen, no computer - I think apple could produce a touchscreen 27" iMac for that price and you'd get a computer in it!
Im sorry, I don't care how pro you think people are to justify not including a stand for that price point is an intentional move to make more money. It's the equivalent to Apple, not including charging bricks or headphones to their iPhones. For people like me who don't work for huge companies but want to create/deliver commercial quality work, this is priced out of my budget. I spend 30-40 hours retouching a week, if not more, with my tablet and have out grown it. I'd have to drastically raise my prices to even think of upgrading and to explain that to clients who want quality at an affordable price, at this point would just go to a bigger editing house. It's like these companies don't want us to access their products.
I have a wacom Cintiq Pro Model DTK-2420 for sale can make you a super deal
if this Cintiq must be connected to laptop or computer, I don't think we need large display.
WAY TOO expensive! Also the pen 3 lack of backward compatibility.
Awesome
i jumped off my chair wtf was that intro volume its too loud, talking voice so low then music so loud. is this a horror movie, i just want to learn from the vid not die from heart attack
Prices aside... This machine is a huge disappointment! The older DTK 2200 has 8 buttons on one side AND a rear touch strip! I'm done buying wacom because they continue to move backwards! The Cintiq pro 22 only has 4 buttons on one side, and they're not ergonomically friendly. I'm still using the DTK 2200 after having used the the cintiq pro 22 because of the lack of buttons (on the front!) and no touch strip on the back. Maybe some day they'll read our posts and fix it. Stylus doesn't even have an eraser! It's faster to flip the stylus than to reach for the third button on the pen to guess where the eraser is! When you draw 60hrs/week for the last 20 years, you start to know what works and what doesn't. The Cintiq pro 22 does not work.
yeah not affiliate but a completely sell out review...seriously who ever is interested watch any other review on yt to find out some of the negatives of this line up that may impact your experience
Its called family because you need to sell your wife and children to get this piece of engineering wonder.
yeah shit is overpriced its the price tag for drawing on a screen that doesn't suck ass, but people saying the alternatives are "just as good"? no lol, wacom charges this because the competition still hasn't caught up. Wacom pen is still the best drawing to date the competitors suffer with colour accuracy, parallax issues, weird driver quirks , still refuse to give us 120hz and some like xp pen are pumping out fucking 1080p screens and small android tablets. Huion is the only serious competitor, the closest we have gotten is the new kamvas 19, which is more smart buy than this ridiculous wacom 17, and kamvas 27 which is expensive for a 60hz panel.
I have a Cintiq Pro 24 and the color accuracy and image quality are garbage compared to my iMac.
@@Babarbar i think the newer cintiq pros , specifically 27 and the 22 are better standards. burt yea all the image quality sucks on all these display tablets due to etched glass or shitty resolution. in fact, ur imac is one of the rare glossy monitor which is hard to beatr
yeah... price... loooool
Bit expensive as second monitor, me too works on intuos on desk😊
cut the background music, this aint 2010 anymore