IIRC his tipper is after the end of the sword and that's due to the fact that even though the tipper hitbox is somewhat big, the sour spot covers it up a bit too much. Don't take my word on it though.
It's a good video but I gotta nitpick a tad, how in the world are Joker and Zero Suit's Dash attacks similar at all? Are you instead thinking of her Fsmash?
I mean, it's bad, but then theres counters like lucario's where he just teleports to wherever you end up after hitting him. Joker's is totally broken too though
@@alejandroespinoza5680 oooh I though he did, but it was a different video this is the link to the visual pirana plant hitboxes ruclips.net/video/rxZf0303KSI/видео.html
(Just if you want to check it out a bit yourself before that video) You can see hurtboxes in-game if you go to Training mode and turn on the invincibility visuals. Give Mewtwo a Starman and you'll be able to see his hurtboxes for a little while. Wish they added the ability to see them without invincibility and added hitbox visuals also but...eh. The "tailbox" is like half his tail length I guess. Don't take my word for it though cause I only glanced at it once and it probably changes in a few cases
For the last time, is not the tail the only problem of Mewtwo, and is not even the worst one. It also lost that broken air dodge, the D-tilt combos, grabs are no longer good OoS, N-air was heavily gutted and the removal of cross ups nerfed a lot his up smash OoS.
I'd love to see just how thin Simon/Richter's whip hitboxes really are; and to see if their Dair has a multitude of wacky hitboxes that make no sense like I suspect it does. I also wanna know what the hell is up with their up tilt. it seems like it has a very high front facing hitbox that SOMETIMES hits tall characters. Also also, i'm very curious to see how their tether mechanic works, if it starts out with a hitbox or is an entirely different move altogether based on their proximity to the ledge.
I love learning all these mechanics and such, seeing the game stripped down to the barest of numbers and shapes is a really cool feeling. Keep up the good work!
Very informative video. It would probably help a lot to see arsene himself when showing his hotboxes, since they seem much more oddly placed when you can't see him.
Night Shade they’re just so bad, why does he have to deal with people falling out of nair for no reason when Palutena, who has pretty much the same move, doesn’t have this problem at all
@@cooldiego7 I've been a Pit mains since smash 4 and lemme tell you nothing has changed. People fall out of fair, Nair, up smash, fsmash and up air A LOT.
The Kfc Ranger I share a similar experience to Night Shade, fast fall nairs will constantly have people slip out of the move, pretty much all his multi hits have this problem, here’s a little montage made by Pit player, Lucky twitter.com/lucky30_/status/1145396219650486273?s=21
"Except that in this case it's a top-hat-wearing fellow stomping his high heel shoes down." You're forgetting the fact Arsene's high heels are fucking 6 inch blades
I adore this series and I hope for many more in the future. I just wish there was some way to show not only the hit box visualizations but a neutral sized character like mario as a comparison. I really felt it with the Dedede and Hero hitbox videos where it didn't seem too bad but perhaps with a character standing nearby with a chart showing distance like in the training mode stage, we could truly grasp how horrible or mediocre a hit box is. Maybe I'm just nitpicking but I think the fact that I have to nitpick just shows how quality this content already feels too me.
3:22 i know it's been a year but i just wanted to say that im 99% sure that the arsene hitboxes on the jab that overwrite jokers and are identical to his jab is only there to apply the "darkness" effect when hit
Speaking of lower ID taking priority. One feedback to the hitbox visualisation is to not overlap them. Make hitbox ID 0 be shown fully (still transparent so you can see the character below), and hitbox ID 1 will only be shown where hitbox ID 0 is not located. This can be accomplished through many methods: - Don't use transparency individually, and put lower IDs above higher IDs, and merge them into one image/layer/group; and then put transparency on the image/layer/group instead. One image/layer/group per part value. - Use transparency individually, but make a selection of ID 0 and delete that portion from ID 1 and above, do the same for ID 1 and delete from ID 2 and above. IDs of different part values handled separately. - Use inverted masks. Make ID 0 an inverted mask for ID 1 and above, so those IDs only show up where ID 0 is not located. Do the same with ID 1 for ID 2 and above. IDs of different part values handled separately.
I would love to see the hitboxes of rob! I really hope they made neutral b in a way that the hitbox could be visualized since I have people go through the full charge version super often. I would also especially love to see how in the world gyro's hitboxes work while spinning on the ground, and if possible where in the world the reflector is on side b since it seems less consistent then getting a crit with Hero.
@Attaker Atex It sounds an interesting thing to lab but I don't think that's the case. I think it was more as a mechanic to get Arsene instantly in Training Mode only.
I'd like to see Marth! Do up or down b actually have sweetspots? Is neutral b longer range than fsmash? How small are the tippers actually? Why is downair's tipper so easy to land compared to any other aerial?
I just realized that in the titles of these videos you always describe the hitboxes with a word that starts with the same letter as the character. For example; "hero's hefty hitboxes"
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Do you think you could look at DK's? some of his hitboxes seem pretty jank. Considering that his forward air has a hitbox right behind his head for whatever reason or the fact that you don't have to be close to the opponent to down b spike them in the air
Aye an inkling hitbox video would be nice, don't know if anyone even bothered to look at them, but it would be nice to have a good idea of the hitboxes in all the ink mess.
Doctor Mitchell M.D. i main joker but i know he’s top 3. if not the best. it’s obvious, but he does require a lot of skill. if you lose with him, you just suck lol
Primo Antonius lmao this guy said mega man. all the megamans i see spam B button. Pac-man has recovery from anywhere in the stage. busted neutral, and ridiculous projectiles. Dunk hunt i agree with you. and who says i suck? Sounds like you’re defending your characters. pretty pathetic
I would be rather interested in seeing how Pit's hitboxes work. Played that guy for a long while in Smash 4, so seeing how he turned out in Ultimate would be interesting.
I clicked on this video and saw it in my feed. Yes, in that particular order. These are great, and I'd enjoy to hear what you have to say for any character from the rest of the cast. Chrom? Yoshi?
You're thinking about Zero Suit's Forward smash not her dash attack. In fact Joker's dash attack pretty unique for a dash attack not many other character have a double hit combo like that, it's usualy just one big moving hitbox or a rapid flurry of hits.
I like how Joker's body hitboxes are more than twice the size of his actual legs and arms.... ooo nice to know that jokers gun jump is actually a downward sort of triangle shape and not a straight line...
I am more so interested in Sonic's Hitboxes for the reason being his Back Air, it has really weird hit detection because it can be a good meter away and still hit the sweet spot. As well as Neutral Air plus Down Air. Sonic is really complicated
Can you start a hitbox comparison series where you compare ultimate character hitboxes to the sm4sh counterpart and explain if the hitboxes have improved or gotten worse.
Joker was a character sakurai wanted in smash for a long time due to persona 5 being his favorite game getting almost 100% on his first play through except for yuske’s confidant. He never had the time to do that. Back on topic this does explain why joker is a little overpowered in this game
I want to see Luigi. Maybe not the most interesting for a lot of his moves, but some of his hitboxes - mostly on his specials - seem a little weird. Also, what are the windboxes on his down special? Because sometimes I'm using Cyclone and they get pushed AWAY from me which is the exact opposite of what the move is supposed to do. And of course how big or strong the windboxes are in general.
Great work, instructing and entertaining video! The only hitbox i would be interested in is corrin's pin if you can slide that in a video it would be awesome
I know you're getting a lot of requests but i'd really like you to do Ultimate Bayonetta's hitboxes, it should be cathartic for you since Smash 4's Bayo's boxes put you in horrendous pain
I don't care which character you do next(i love all these videos even for characters i don't play) once a small aside is done for Falco's up smash. What that move does, or I should say doesn't do, compared to just about every other multihit up smash is a crime against balance especially after them releasing to patch to just about every other multihit upsmash in the game.
Can you do Mii Gunner? You mentioned that just about every multi-hit move in the game doesn't connect in some way. But with the Gunner up air, unless interrupted, will always do the rest of the hits until the end. Gunner is my most played character and not once has this move failed me in this regard.
Hey Rekzius, very good video, Joker's hitboxes have always been very strange How about a analysis on Marth's hitboxes next ? This would be very useful to learn more about the tip hitboxes not connecting consistently Thank you :)
Please cover Game & Watch as his moves almost all have tons of hurtbox shifting and even parts of his model that go intangible. It will DEFINITELY be interesting.
An idea, show the move at the same pace as the visualizations, which would be nice as a comparison to what the hotboxes look like compared to the actual animation/particle effects
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I find it neat that a person named Mishima did Joker's hitboxes
Hellofreeze thank god im not alone
Hellofreeze sounds like a mishima thing to do tbh
he didnt make the hitboxes he just revealed them
@@toafloast1883 Well yeah, that's what I meant lol
@@toafloast1883 Not LOL worthy.
Ridley's hitboxes? Ooh or Captain Falcon's :) been loving these hitbox videos
Drake Srader RIDLEY RIDLEY RIDLEY
Ridley hits the big time!
R.O.B's hitboxes. I've not yet seen ROB's Ultimate hitboxes.
Captain Falcon all the way. It feels like his moves have such low priority or is that just me
Falcon's Fabulous Hitboxes
Ridley's Ridiculous Hitboxes
I would still love to see Marth's hitboxes. His are pretty important to know and I haven't found anyone who actually wants to help us Marth players.
Agreed !
Yes! Where tf is his tipper???
@@letsmakeit110 The tipper is a lie, they silently removed it 3 patches ago and replaced it by RNG crits to test how people would react to Hero.
@@marzipancutter8144 It sure feels that way :(
IIRC his tipper is after the end of the sword and that's due to the fact that even though the tipper hitbox is somewhat big, the sour spot covers it up a bit too much. Don't take my word on it though.
13:27
I'm so glad you did this.
Yooooo that transition at 7:04 was smooth af!
"Sir how do you want multihit moves to function?"
"Function? You must be new here"
It's a good video but I gotta nitpick a tad, how in the world are Joker and Zero Suit's Dash attacks similar at all?
Are you instead thinking of her Fsmash?
lol
Was waiting for someone to bring this up lol
Probably talking about the fact they both cover a long distance
Joker’s dash attack is pretty much Zero Suit Samus’s smash attack on steroids.
Or F-air.
8:25 Jesus Christ. Like, I knew it was too big, but that's stupid.
I thought it was bigger tbh
And what makes it even worse is that counter is frame 3 and has very little end lag
The big no u
That counter is a lie
I mean, it's bad, but then theres counters like lucario's where he just teleports to wherever you end up after hitting him. Joker's is totally broken too though
Would you consider looking at Piranha Plant's hitboxes in the future?
He already did
@@lowtiergold He never did
@@alejandroespinoza5680 oooh I though he did, but it was a different video this is the link to the visual pirana plant hitboxes ruclips.net/video/rxZf0303KSI/видео.html
Yeah
Can you do Mewtwo please? I want to see the tail hurtbox.
You just want to see his tail hurtbox? Then search it on google
(Just if you want to check it out a bit yourself before that video)
You can see hurtboxes in-game if you go to Training mode and turn on the invincibility visuals. Give Mewtwo a Starman and you'll be able to see his hurtboxes for a little while. Wish they added the ability to see them without invincibility and added hitbox visuals also but...eh. The "tailbox" is like half his tail length I guess. Don't take my word for it though cause I only glanced at it once and it probably changes in a few cases
twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1156499814315483136?s=20
@yeet it was buffed '.' smaller hurtbox is positive
For the last time, is not the tail the only problem of Mewtwo, and is not even the worst one. It also lost that broken air dodge, the D-tilt combos, grabs are no longer good OoS, N-air was heavily gutted and the removal of cross ups nerfed a lot his up smash OoS.
Can we see WiiFit's WILD hitboxes??? I swear, I really wanna know how some of them work
Easy, they don't.
I'd love to see just how thin Simon/Richter's whip hitboxes really are; and to see if their Dair has a multitude of wacky hitboxes that make no sense like I suspect it does. I also wanna know what the hell is up with their up tilt. it seems like it has a very high front facing hitbox that SOMETIMES hits tall characters. Also also, i'm very curious to see how their tether mechanic works, if it starts out with a hitbox or is an entirely different move altogether based on their proximity to the ledge.
I like how the name of the title basically matches the characters and their hitboxes
I love learning all these mechanics and such, seeing the game stripped down to the barest of numbers and shapes is a really cool feeling. Keep up the good work!
Very informative video. It would probably help a lot to see arsene himself when showing his hotboxes, since they seem much more oddly placed when you can't see him.
Bayo's new hitboxes? You could compare the Ult and 4 hitboxes, it would be interesting :)
Please do a video on Pit's Pitiful hitboxes. There's a reason they're called Pitboxes.
Night Shade they’re just so bad, why does he have to deal with people falling out of nair for no reason when Palutena, who has pretty much the same move, doesn’t have this problem at all
@@CCuppy29 he is just so poorly programmed and unfinished
Really? I use dark pit and pit, I've actually never had anyone falling out of nair
@@cooldiego7 I've been a Pit mains since smash 4 and lemme tell you nothing has changed. People fall out of fair, Nair, up smash, fsmash and up air A LOT.
The Kfc Ranger I share a similar experience to Night Shade, fast fall nairs will constantly have people slip out of the move, pretty much all his multi hits have this problem, here’s a little montage made by Pit player, Lucky twitter.com/lucky30_/status/1145396219650486273?s=21
Night of Nights (remix), if anybody was wonderin wht the name of tht song was at the end with joker. Love tht beat
I was wondering why Night of Nights was playing at first, then i saw that
It is a Bullet Hell with knifes, after all
5:48 have you heard of Palutena.
"Except that in this case it's a top-hat-wearing fellow stomping his high heel shoes down."
You're forgetting the fact Arsene's high heels are fucking 6 inch blades
Cover Bayonetta again but this time it's a comparison between ultimate in smash 4 bayo
Maybe Pac-Man? The last hit of Dair is crazy.
Now if only anything else was...
@@Haalcyonn I kinda wish it did on the first frame of activity. It wouldn't be the most useful spike, but at least he'd finally have one, y'know?
Nice! more hitbox videos!
Can you do bowser jr or pichu next?
I adore this series and I hope for many more in the future. I just wish there was some way to show not only the hit box visualizations but a neutral sized character like mario as a comparison. I really felt it with the Dedede and Hero hitbox videos where it didn't seem too bad but perhaps with a character standing nearby with a chart showing distance like in the training mode stage, we could truly grasp how horrible or mediocre a hit box is. Maybe I'm just nitpicking but I think the fact that I have to nitpick just shows how quality this content already feels too me.
3:22 i know it's been a year but i just wanted to say that im 99% sure that the arsene hitboxes on the jab that overwrite jokers and are identical to his jab is only there to apply the "darkness" effect when hit
Speaking of lower ID taking priority. One feedback to the hitbox visualisation is to not overlap them. Make hitbox ID 0 be shown fully (still transparent so you can see the character below), and hitbox ID 1 will only be shown where hitbox ID 0 is not located.
This can be accomplished through many methods:
- Don't use transparency individually, and put lower IDs above higher IDs, and merge them into one image/layer/group; and then put transparency on the image/layer/group instead. One image/layer/group per part value.
- Use transparency individually, but make a selection of ID 0 and delete that portion from ID 1 and above, do the same for ID 1 and delete from ID 2 and above. IDs of different part values handled separately.
- Use inverted masks. Make ID 0 an inverted mask for ID 1 and above, so those IDs only show up where ID 0 is not located. Do the same with ID 1 for ID 2 and above. IDs of different part values handled separately.
You should check out meta knights. They feel tiny compared to the way he swings his sword
When you realise that the hitboxes are circles
I would love to see the hitboxes of rob! I really hope they made neutral b in a way that the hitbox could be visualized since I have people go through the full charge version super often. I would also especially love to see how in the world gyro's hitboxes work while spinning on the ground, and if possible where in the world the reflector is on side b since it seems less consistent then getting a crit with Hero.
1:00 in training mode if you put 999% on P1 as Joker, Arsene instantly appears.
@Attaker Atex It sounds an interesting thing to lab but I don't think that's the case. I think it was more as a mechanic to get Arsene instantly in Training Mode only.
That's because your percent increases to 999
and taking damage is an arsene condition
Could you do Bayonetta's hitboxes? id like to see how they've changed since the previous game
Id love to see a comparison between Bayonettas old Hitboxes and the new ones. i love that Bayo gave Joker her old smash 4 guns lol
I'd like to see Marth! Do up or down b actually have sweetspots? Is neutral b longer range than fsmash? How small are the tippers actually? Why is downair's tipper so easy to land compared to any other aerial?
I just realized that in the titles of these videos you always describe the hitboxes with a word that starts with the same letter as the character. For example; "hero's hefty hitboxes"
LOL YOU'RE RIGHT
Alliterative
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Uh huh...
Cloud's busted hitboxes. GOT EM
Thank you for the video! All of you friends are super awesome! Oh, moments in this video are sad.
MKLeo wants to know your location
ZSS hit boxes please! Thanks for putting out this content.
Do you think you could look at DK's? some of his hitboxes seem pretty jank. Considering that his forward air has a hitbox right behind his head for whatever reason or the fact that you don't have to be close to the opponent to down b spike them in the air
Aye an inkling hitbox video would be nice, don't know if anyone even bothered to look at them, but it would be nice to have a good idea of the hitboxes in all the ink mess.
Rekzuis:multihit moves.dont work somtimes+-
Me: laughs in Kirby down air
Piranha plant next PLANT GANG
Yes
Me: Mains Joker
Me: Finds out Joker is S-Tier
Me: Realizes Joker's hit boxes are absurd
Me: Sucks anyway
Robert Clark Joker isn’t top tier, Leo is
I had a friend who insisted and still insists that joker isn’t even good at all
That bitch is easily s tier if not s+
Doctor Mitchell M.D. i main joker but i know he’s top 3. if not the best. it’s obvious, but he does require a lot of skill. if you lose with him, you just suck lol
Primo Antonius dude, you do realize how much different tech he has. you cannot say he’s as easy as wolf. don’t kid yourself.
Primo Antonius lmao this guy said mega man. all the megamans i see spam B button. Pac-man has recovery from anywhere in the stage. busted neutral, and ridiculous projectiles. Dunk hunt i agree with you. and who says i suck? Sounds like you’re defending your characters. pretty pathetic
Oh my god thank you I wanted this so badly
Mii Brawler or Mewtwo is all I want. Well, that and more of these great videos.
I would be rather interested in seeing how Pit's hitboxes work. Played that guy for a long while in Smash 4, so seeing how he turned out in Ultimate would be interesting.
I clicked on this video and saw it in my feed. Yes, in that particular order.
These are great, and I'd enjoy to hear what you have to say for any character from the rest of the cast.
Chrom? Yoshi?
Meshima?
More like Mishima!
Get it...?
You're thinking about Zero Suit's Forward smash not her dash attack. In fact Joker's dash attack pretty unique for a dash attack not many other character have a double hit combo like that, it's usualy just one big moving hitbox or a rapid flurry of hits.
brawl zss has the same dash attack, thats probably what he's thinking of
Patented DLC Hitboxes
pleas do links hit box's next pleas
So... Arsene is technically his own character.
I like how Joker's body hitboxes are more than twice the size of his actual legs and arms....
ooo nice to know that jokers gun jump is actually a downward sort of triangle shape and not a straight line...
That was the best ending to a video I have ever seen
Link or Mii Brawler next?
Cloud strife next? Seeing the nerfs would be cool
I am more so interested in Sonic's Hitboxes for the reason being his Back Air, it has really weird hit detection because it can be a good meter away and still hit the sweet spot. As well as Neutral Air plus Down Air. Sonic is really complicated
Was that a Touhou reference at the end of the video? I approve of that, good sir. Night of nights is the best remix of Sakuya's theme.
Seeing the thumbnail, being early might not be a good thing...
When i see Joker's counter i always think of the 'skillfull' edgeguards you can do with it and get triggered.
Love the vids, keep it up! Can you do Incin's hitboxes please? They feel kind of smaller than they should be.
Lucario I need to know they will probably be pretty entertaining
I would really like to see ridley's hitboxes. I've felt like I've landed the tipper on his down special but I've gotten the weak hit instead.
Joker dabs with the biggest hit box ever 8:28
Can you start a hitbox comparison series where you compare ultimate character hitboxes to the sm4sh counterpart and explain if the hitboxes have improved or gotten worse.
Joker was a character sakurai wanted in smash for a long time due to persona 5 being his favorite game getting almost 100% on his first play through except for yuske’s confidant. He never had the time to do that. Back on topic this does explain why joker is a little overpowered in this game
I'd adore a video on Ridley's hitboxes
i was hoping you could do a re-look of how bayonetta's hitboxes have changed since smash 4
That Toho reference was great
DK next? I wanna see the deal about his z-axis nonsense with Giant Punch
Holy mishima can do more than being a host of a website
can you do links? As a link main i seriously think that his up smash and nair are a bit crazy
Can we see Cloud/Bayo's hitboxes to compare them to their S4 counterparts?
Explaining Rekzius's Radical Titles
Could you do Inkling's hitboxes? I just want to see how busted that back air is.
I want to see Luigi.
Maybe not the most interesting for a lot of his moves, but some of his hitboxes - mostly on his specials - seem a little weird. Also, what are the windboxes on his down special? Because sometimes I'm using Cyclone and they get pushed AWAY from me which is the exact opposite of what the move is supposed to do. And of course how big or strong the windboxes are in general.
Mii Gunner hitboxes? Please I can't find them anywhere
Having the percentage dealt (after 1v1 multiplier) for hitboxes and total damage estimated would be really neat for theae videos.
Damn, that shot from the link at 9:25
Great work, instructing and entertaining video! The only hitbox i would be interested in is corrin's pin if you can slide that in a video it would be awesome
A yoshi hitbox video would make you a godsend
I know you're getting a lot of requests but i'd really like you to do Ultimate Bayonetta's hitboxes, it should be cathartic for you since Smash 4's Bayo's boxes put you in horrendous pain
Can I get Ganon's Girthy Hitboxes next?
I don't care which character you do next(i love all these videos even for characters i don't play) once a small aside is done for Falco's up smash. What that move does, or I should say doesn't do, compared to just about every other multihit up smash is a crime against balance especially after them releasing to patch to just about every other multihit upsmash in the game.
Bowser Jr, he has so many hitboxes that just kind of don’t work or don’t make much sense I think they deserve a look
Can you do Mii Gunner? You mentioned that just about every multi-hit move in the game doesn't connect in some way. But with the Gunner up air, unless interrupted, will always do the rest of the hits until the end. Gunner is my most played character and not once has this move failed me in this regard.
do link next pleas
How about Ken?
Greninja’s would be nice, mainly uptilt and dair.
Can you do ZSS’s hitboxes?
Hey Rekzius, very good video, Joker's hitboxes have always been very strange
How about a analysis on Marth's hitboxes next ? This would be very useful to learn more about the tip hitboxes not connecting consistently
Thank you :)
can you do a k rool hotbox?
Could you take a look at falco next, I've been wondering why some of his moves have a lot of inconsistencies
Loved the video, Captain falcon next please!
Piranha plant next? Good vid by the way.
Piranha Plant hitboxes next? Plz
I didn't even know he had that aerial version o' Gun.
I would love to see how exactly cross chop doesn’t work
Please cover Game & Watch as his moves almost all have tons of hurtbox shifting and even parts of his model that go intangible. It will DEFINITELY be interesting.
7:05 Jokers downward gun shots in the air was nerfed. The 2 hitboxes at the left and right were removed.
His Down gun was nerfed yes, but his Gun > Jump command is still the same
An idea, show the move at the same pace as the visualizations, which would be nice as a comparison to what the hotboxes look like compared to the actual animation/particle effects