And they should do the same with naturally aspirated engines -- no batteries/hybrids -- people are tired of chasing top-speed and prioritize an exciting driving experience.
Agreed. The rise in hyper fast cars (whether ICE or EV) is becoming so common that, what’s the point ? Why buy a $600k car when a Model S Plaid or a 911 Turbo will give you more than enough acceleration ? Driving pleasure and driver engagement will probably be stronger points in the Luxury car world in the future, compared to performance numbers. We’re already seeing it with Gordon Murray’s cars. Lamborghini should be taking note as well, manual Lamborghinis are rare and super expensive.
True. It feels like average commuter cars are also getting pretty close to being just as comfortable as more expensive cars too. So pretty soon the luxury/performance car market’s going to have to find a new avenue to expand down to make it really worth the money, driver-focused setups seem like the best way to go
No way! Prices for 2000-2010 manual supercars are 2-3x their auto counterpart because they are rare not because consumers demand them. If there was massive demand for sticks ferrari and lamborghini would make them. They are rare because when they were offered not many people chose them, but now because they're rare they are worth more
@@GK-gc9cv thats not necessarily true, iirc subaru said that the manual take rate on the brz was 75%ish, i believe all 2023+ miatas are manual only due to low take rates on the automatic version, and honda still sells the manual only civic si and type r like hot cakes. there's clearly still demand among consumers for manual sports cars. yes, there may not have been massive demand for manual ferraris back when the f1 was introduced, but as the saying goes, sometimes you don't appreciate what you have till its gone.
@@2AMinLosAngeles he's saying ferrari.... much different demand profile for a ferrari/lamborghini than a $30k subaru, agree though its sad its not a choice for those who want it and are spending $300k+ for a car
@@GK-gc9cv if I had the money I'd pay the extra for the manual Ferrari. And coincidentally that car would also fetch a premium from the collectors who never drive the car "just because it's limited edition". The people who just want a Ferrari to show off, they can get the "Camry" Ferrari.
@@reallynotmuffin lol, someone doesnt take into account fixed cost for development. The more units = cars you build the better. Also you only takes into account the "building costs", manual requieres 3 pedales = additional crash tests.
Personally I think they made a huge mistake not to have a manual option on the Roma. That's a car they pretty much advertise as for posing, popping into town for a coffee, cruising along the riviera. Exactly the kind of car where you'd want that satisfying metallic claclack sound as you slide the next gear in.
Every car enthusiast should get to experience the satisfaction of a Ferrari manual gearbox at least once in their life. The gated shifter really was such an iconic driving feel.
I got to experience the gated shifter, but it wasn't exactly a satisfying experience, to say the least. Oh the shifter was amazing, truly amazing, but the car was a 308GTS a guy was asking $8,000 for in 2005. Yes, 8 thousand. For a reason. Ball joints were bad, brakes were toast, suspension kinda existed I think, major misfire, slipping clutch, AND MORE!!! I put together an estimate (for fun) years later and came up with $40k to JUST GET IT SAFE ENOUGH TO DRIVE. That doesn't include the wrecked interior, faded paint, missing trim, etc. I won't let that taint any future experience with a manual Ferrari, however, as I'd still like to experience one that isn't a complete shitbox.
Another big reason for this is the extraordinary improvements in performance we've seen over the last few years. Now virtually all new exotics (and even some less-than-exotics, like the C8 Corvette) are insanely fast, with 0-60 times in the low-to-mid 3-second range, or even less. When your car is that fast, sacrificing a few tenths of a second of acceleration in exchange for the fun and feel of a manual is not a big deal -- the speed still astounds (and may even frighten) you every time you floor it. Put another way, when the manual version does 0-60 in 6 seconds, it's a big deal go get it down to 5.5. But when the manual does it in 3.5, getting it down to 3.0 is far less noticeable, at least for most people. And when you throw in the fact that the manual transmission is significantly cheaper to build (and, therefore, should be cheaper to buy), it really starts to make sense.
However, there will be nothing to brag about or improvements in performance to brag about or advertised compared to rivals, only if Lambo follows suit and releasing manuals. Just like Ferrari now has a SUV (although they don't admit it is such) only after Lambo has one and has been a success.
3.5 to 3 is actually more noticeable than 6 to 5.5, but the point is... With that kinda acceleration, if you're on a mountain road you take no time between corners. You're basically always braking, and that's it. They're too fast for fun roads. Which is also why it looks like less powerful and lighter cars are making a come back: still plenty of power, but not so much that your average state is 2 times the posted speed limits.
i like seeing these sit down in the garage with a laptop videos. the car tours are always great but thinkpieces like this are a nice breath of fresh air
I don't even drive a sports car, but I dearly miss manuals. I would've paid an extra grand to have a six-speed manual in my pedestrian Camry. The Camry has an eight-speed automatic and even has flappy paddles in sports mode. It would be absolutely 500% more fun with a plain old stick shift.
One of the few nice things about living in a third world country is Automatics are pretty much a luxury so most cars still offer a manual, and that makes me really fking happy
The emotional impact of a tactile and engaging driving experience just can't be beat regardless of how fast the transmission is. Dual clutch is cool in serious competition but manual is just outright more fun.
i'm on my 12th vehicle, and not one has been an automatic. sad to see how limited they are as far as modern vehicles, and even crazier that so many sports cars and exotics don't even offer them. for instance, i'd buy a C5--C7 corvette before i'd ever buy a C8...which is never.
A manual swap for a Ferrari with the F1 gearbox, is probably some of the few mods that could actually incease it value, since it would not only improve the driving experience as reliability.
I love that people worry about the fact that the auto is faster, in reality most people tracking those kinds of cars are so slow they would make up more time just practicing their driving than saving a few tenths per shift.
I so much agree with Doug! My recipe would be: revive the 458 Speciale engine; resurrect the F430 gearbox; glue them together (if I'm not mistaken the 430 and 458 engines should be very close relatives) and just slam them into the 296 gtb chassis and cast a new "Icona" series along with the Daytona (which, by the way, if they made it with a manual would be just awsome). My apologies for my poor english and many thanks to Doug from Italy for this video
I feel so proud about that Carrera GT in the background of Doug's videos now :') Those 911 Rs are AMAZING I remember even seeing a 911 R go for $1 Million, it is so focused on the experience, tossing all of the numbers out of the window and just focusing on delivering the experience, it is the best modern 911 for sure! ❤️
991.2 GT3 touring is a better car with its motorsport derived engine than the 911R. Most of the current value in the 911R is in its rarity. Admittedly, it's still a brilliant car.
@@usswia The 911 R has ZERO spund deadening you car to every single little thing of the engine (Proven by Jason Cammisa on his review that you can search) And it also doesn't even have glass on the rear it is just plastic on EU spec cars, believe me, no GT3 Touring is as great and as special as the 911 R.
@@filippkirtsis893 so did Chris Harris. Said the 4.0L in the Touring was even better than the 4.0L in the R. Revs higher with better torque in the mid range.
Not just Ferrari but everyone! I’m getting tired of swapping transmissions on automatic car’s it’s a huge pain but always worth it. Glad you made this video!
I agree Doug! I also think that the F1 box was used to deliver at least as much as a "F1" "racing"xperience in the presence and the use of the paddles. And the noise
Thank you for trying to steer the exotic car industry into a more common sense direction. Hopefully Ferrari will listen to and appreciate what you have to say being such an influential person in the car world! The numbers certainly back up your opinion!
It doesn't worry me since I'll probably never even drive one let alone own one, but Ferrari strikes me as way too arrogant a company to ever consider their customers' enjoyment. They've always had the attitude that a person should consider themselves lucky if the company even allows them to buy one of their cars.
Make more videos with the carrera gt! It can just be you driving it and chatting to the camera or something. It doesn’t matter what the video is we just need more videos with the carrera gt!!! You can post them on the More Doug DeMuro channel if you don’t want to post them on this channel!
The 550 vs 575 comparison isn't quite as clear cut though: according to what I've read from magazines etc, the standard 575 suspension was overall a step back compared to the earlier 550, so it wasn't necessarily "better" in all areas. (the HGTC packaged solved that)
I wish I had won the lottery in the early 2000s when the value of a used 550 Marenello was actually depreciated somewhat and only around $90k... probably my favorite all around car in NFS II High Stakes on Playstation back in 1998.
Yep! You’re right, and everyone knows you’re right. However, throughout almost their entire history, Ferrari has proven themselves to be pretty-much completely unconcerned about right and wrong or, for that matter, the preferences of their customers. In other words, they’re stubborn, just as most hot-blooded Italians tend to be. Eventually, I think they’ll come around, but they might hold out just a little bit beyond the point that people might expect to prove that they are their own masters. I think this has something to do with the fact that car-aficionado, Jay Leno, doesn’t own a single Ferrari.
" However, throughout almost their entire history, Ferrari has proven themselves to be pretty-much completely unconcerned about right and wrong or, for that matter, the preferences of their customers." This is hyperbole but not THAT hyperbole 😂 Either way, Ferrari has also proved themselves to be obsessed with making money at every turn. So what a difficult choice they must make! haha
Jay Leno's case against Ferrari seems like a 30 year old personal grudge with a particular Ferrari dealership. He was praising Ford for their application process and ownership rules for the Ford GT and the application process included checking how many Ford cars an applicant owned but when it was the same situation with Ferrari, he felt bad when the dealership asked him to own a few Ferrari's which he calls as 'crappy Ferrari's'.
One good outcome of Enzo’s arrogance was dissing Ferruccio Lamborghini’s complaints about his Ferrari, encouraging him to say “up yours, I’ll go make a better car”
@@amarjit_singh_ Lol he’s basically angry that Ferrari treated him as a normal person and not a celebrity, good for Ferrari shows their approval process is at least honest. And that’s the hypocrisy I don’t like with so many of these car personalities. They complain about Ferrari’s stupid approval process but act like other supercar makers would sell them any car they want without an “approval” process.
@@SkodaYetiFan You are spot on, he wanted the special treatment but Ferrari denied that. He wanted the crème de la crème Ferrari's without getting the so called 'crappy Ferrari's', and funny thing is that he was talking about Mondial's, those things went out of production about 30 years ago. Just a very biased person concerning his views towards Ford and Ford GT and I'm not surprised why!
Well… Can anybody else see it … Mr. DeMuro is becoming a business adviser on the long run… The ground work is done … slowly but surely things change… great idea … With THIS type of followers 👍
Doug the type of guy to build a car platform to derive sales statistics from to PROVE to auto manufacturers that they're not listening to the consumer.
I think there is also a technical reason for automatic transmission on modern cars… with +/- 700hp that you have on modern cars, the clutch use is much more optimized electronically and with such a power, the clutch pedal would have to be really hard in order to handle all these hp… Not that simple I think, unless maybe decreasing the power of the engine too, or having an assisted clutch… what would mean not really manual…
I think an assisted clutch would be fine. Had a ninja with slipper clutch and it just fixes any mistakes you make. As long as you are mostly in control and get the feel of shifting, thats enough. I think the new fully electronic manuals (faux manuals) will probably do just fine as well, since they hopefully capture the feel and engagement of driving a car "manually"
Isn't there a Challenger with over 800hp and a 3rd pedal? If they can figure it out on a $50k Dodge, I would think it would be the least of their concerns on a $500k Ferrari. Not to mention the Ferrari probably weighs 500-1000lbs less, meaning it's that much less strain on the clutch.
In Iran , import of cars has been banded and before that import was limited and local manufactors can't figure out how to build an automatic transmission, So 70% of cars in Iran are manual and the cars that are automatic have a 30% - 50% premium
The "faster" thing never made sense to me as a selling point for a dual clutch. If you're planning to enter the 24 hours of Le Mans, then yeah, get the automatic. If not, you'll be plenty fast enough with the manual. In fact, most owners won't use anywhere near the manual car's capabilities. People just want to enjoy driving and be engaged with the car.
I doubt Ferrari will offer the manual gearbox option again. The "official" explanation was that the owners kept burning the clutches, and it costs more than four arms and six legs to replace the clutches under the warranty.
Clutches aren't a warranty item. Ferrari ditched manuals because automatics made them more money -- but now the tide has turned. They should embrace reality and make money!
Absolute facts. But another big aspect of these used prices is the fact that the older ones are simply proper drivers cars, and are so much cooler and more interesting than any new Ferraris. As you said about the 599, I bet anybody buying one of those isn’t interested in a new Ferrari at all… I know I wouldn’t be.
Great take! Ive only driven a couple of Ferraris with the vaunted gated manual (never owned one - I was merely a porter at a dealership), but MAN you'd just feel like an absolute boss when cracking off perfect shifts and hearing that exhaust sing. SO satisfying. I dont care if the new ones are faster. Theyre missing that primal element the older ones had, even if slow by modern standards.
LMAO...."Why not do it with 3 pedals?" Bout fell on the floor! That simple question is so powerful and genius. Absolutely love it. Great research on your part Mr. DeMuro. If you were in English class, you would've got an A-Plus on your persuasive essay. Well done.😃
Car journalists when a car offers a manual option: "The DCT is faster and the manual in this particular doesn't feel as connected". Car journalists when a company phases out manuals: "Oh no this is the end of an era, cars are losing their soul, we need more manuals" Doug is a prime example of this.
Ur 100% on point like more car makers need to realize there is a lot of people not ready to give up on a manual transmission now maybe in 50 or so years when most people prolly won’t kno how to drive manual but bring more manuals!!!
@@alexandertroy9621 I've been successful teaching people to drive manual transmission cars. I start with describing how the clutch works using a dinner plate and a salad plate.
@@alexandertroy9621 I've seen several recent studies indicating otherwise. Kelley Blue Book did one in 2020 and found that 66% of Americans claimed to know how to drive manual, with 55% having owned or leased one at some point in their life. Also, among Americans aged 18-50 who don't know how to drive manual, 63 percent answered that they were "very interested" in learning to.
Manual Transmissions Faster isn't better. It's just faster. Manuals are better because they make you want to go for a drive. Slapdick transmissions not so much.....
I see the exact same thing with Lamborghini. My dream car is a manual 6.5 Mercialago but those go for 600-700k while the automatics go for like 200k. It's insane the premium that manula supercars hold over the automatics
100% agree. Manual should be an option with ALL cars, not just Ferrari. My dad taught me (and my two sisters) how to drive in his 1981 Mustang GTHO. He always insisted we learn Manual first because it makes you a fundamentally better driver overall. I agree. I had to order my 2015 M235i with a 6 Speed (for 3k less than auto) tranny from Germany simply because there were no manuals available in the US..Dafuq? At least BMW HAS the option though! I own a Ferrari and it is not manual. I mean i still love it, how can you not it has a F1 based double clutch paddle shifter..i mean hell yes. Still, i fantasize how it would be if it WAS manual sometimes! Well my 14 YO daughter is going to learn how to drive with my 4 speed 1986 Toyota pickup lol. And so will my 11YO son when it time. Nuff said.
The whole 911R situation was a mess. It really showed the true colors of who are real enthusiasts versus who just saw it as a money maker. Porsche never saw it as an opportunity to cater to enthusiasts. They made more manuals SOLELY to undercut flippers.
Ive always thought driver engagement & enjoyment was a more important factor than hyper performance in cars when its impossible to even take it to its furthest capabilities, a cc850 is more desirable and sentiment-worthy than a speedtail.
What I heard is that customers of the Huayra wasn't impressed with the transmission and wanted a DCT but Pagani was against DCT (being heavier) decided on a manual option for the Utopia.
@@amarjit_singh_ i heard many regrets on pagani huayra transmission but i wasn't aware of this thanks ! :D the positive side it's that we got the stick back on a multi million supercar the thing that i miss personnaly on newer paganis (i don't know about you or other people in the comment section) is the sound on zonda's it was pretty good ( even magnificiant) but on the huayra's the engine isn't really here in term of audio , it's more all the turbo noises that complete it
@@verrucktgames If you look at it solely from the perspective of a manual gearbox, then it's a positive considering only a handful of sportscar/supercar manufacturers make them. But a limited production, 850+hp, rwd, manual gearbox supercar/hypercar isn't a good recipe, moreover these are limited production cars and will mostly end up as garage queens while a manual gearbox car is a driver's car, meant to be driven. So in a nutshell, this somehow defeats the purpose.
FACTS! As a manual 991.1 driver... I COULD CARE LESS that PDK is faster. I do not have the skill to maximize my 911 as it is! Stomping the clutch, rowing the gears and rev matching downshifts brings a smile to my face. (And its probably an honest to god theft deterrent, too)
100% agree! They should definitely make a car with manual transmission considering the special Porsche manual-only models are selling for insane money. 991.2 Speedster, 991.1 R and 992.1 Sport Classic, all of them. If Ferrari ever release a car with a stick, people are willing to pay big money🎉
How amazing does that Carrera GT look behind Doug?! Aweome to see it in your garage - long time coming and you have earned it many times over. Always look forward to your videos - cant wait to see more and the next evolution of the channel. Doug Evo 3 MR 🎉🎉
The 296 GTB is a hybrid with torque fill... prob the last car that would ever make sense to be converted into a manual due to powertrain --the rest of the lineup, especially the Roma and F12 Comp would suit it well though
You mean 812. Think about 800+ hp peaky high revving motor with a manual. Death wish. Even the 700hp hellcat with low end power is a huge handful with a stick shift.
@@adampetten5349 T50 revs to the moon, that's true, but that engine was specifically sized and designed for a manual transmission, as was the CGT. But maybe you're right. The 599 is a blast to drive with the manual so the f12 and 812 could possibly work with lots and lots and lots of money thrown at them, assuming there's Ferrari manual gearbox hardware that could actually handle that power.
Car enthusiasts: If companies made manual sports cars so many people would buy them! Dodge: Makes the Viper manual only and then discontinues it due to low sales.
People hate the Viper because it's uncomfortable and annoying to drive, not because it has a manual transmission. Have you ever sat in one? It has worse visibility than a Lamborghini Diablo
yeah we know that's why he psoted it you think we needed you to point out wht he just showed?!?!? As though you have any credibility or are the expert on fact-checking Doug?
While I personally am not one for manual cars, I do think it's a good idea for all manufacturers to offer both automatic and manual cars. This is why I love Japanese car companies, because not only are they cheap and reliable but they also offer a wide range of transmission types for people.
Totally agree. I was watching a review about the new Fairlady Z and I was amazed that you can buy it with a manual! A 2023 car with 400hp and a manual! Sadly it won't be available to Europe but I am currently trying to find a way to bring one.
The only Emira I'm considering is the manual V6, so yeah. I don't care if dual clutch is faster. Many people who are into sports cars for more than just bragging care about these transmissions
Doug, you're using logic where it doesn't apply. It appears Ferrari is more concerned with keeping their exclusivity and prestige rather than making money. They don't care what any other automaker is doing. They'll continue building whatever they want and their loyal customers must continue to bow at their feet for an opportunity to buy their products.
I think, you're absolutely right. Why bother to make a rare manual 4 million hypercar? They would sell it as easily if it is dual clutch, just because it is a rare Ferrari 😆
Imagine if at the time the McLaren SLR had came with a manual gearbox and the Stirling Moss front end edition? Not a surprise it would be right there in the seven figure league.
Manual transmission was never the intent for the SLR. That is supposed to be a luxury GT car that anyone can get in and drive fast as well as just trundle along in traffic smoothly. That's what normal Mercedes SL models are about as well.
Right on the money Doug. Excellent examples of pre owned Ferrari prices and what Porsche is doing. Also the hypercar space is going back to manuals (Pagani, Koenigsegg and GMA). It shows the buyers will pay the millions.
For more evidence of this, Hoovie converted his beautiful Ferrari 599 Fiorano to a manual transmission. And I don't blame him one bit, I would have done the same thing. Check out the "Normal Guy Supercar" channel for the video. This is exactly why Porsche sells more cars per year than Ferrari does. The Portofino, Roma, and 812 should come with a manual option. Most modern Ferrari buyers are speculators, and don't drive their cars. They brag about how few miles are on the odometer. The last manual transmission Ferrari's were a few California's. Thank you.
I'm in total agreement. If you care about shift speeds, acceleration etc then stick to the F1/DCT, if you care about driving experience & engagement, manual is the way to go. It's ALWAYS more pleasurable to row your own gears
Doug is 100% right and not only about Ferrari. In fact most enthusiast cars including off-road cars should be produced with a manual. Despite all advantages of an automatic most enthusiasts love manual.
Both my truck and car are manual. I ordered my truck that way from the factory. Traveled over 500 miles to buy my car with a manual. I drive them both into the city 3 days a week in traffic. It's all about the driving experience. If I could all my cars would always be manual. I'm at a point in life where I need a newer family truck that can tow, so I'm at a point where I may be stuck with am automatic.
I put a gated shift in my Abarth 500 esseesse. My own mini Ferrari. The gated manual shift was all about the feeling of controlling a mechanical beast. The click/clack of metal on metal when changing gears makes every drive a lot more involving and evocative. I may not be able to afford a manual Ferrari but I can sure afford to drive like a manual Ferrari.
Don't always agree with you but do here 100%. Another interesting spin would be as regulations tighten and they have to go all electric, then find an innovative way to make a manual electric. Would be novel and bring back a bit of old-school driving experience to the boring (but fast) electric drivetrain.
I do agree it would be an excellent idea that Ferrari bring back manuals. But when you look at the market for manual transmissions, it's becoming very narrow. Mini makes manual standard for their vehicles but 75% will option for the automatic. (For example). As for Ferraris, they changed because of the trends; more people want full performance compared to the fun experience of manuals. Although porsche still does manuals, but then again the market there is still extremely limited and expensive. Not everyone wants to spend so much for such a limited market. I do understand your argument, but logically when you go for a performance brand, the majority will buy the automatic.
Ferrari knows how to make money just fine. The stock is up 25% this year and, as a shareholder, I approve of their methodology. They know their market, their brand, and their audience. This really is a "Save the manuals!" whine in disguise, regardless of how you may protest.
Don't the modern vehicle emission laws effect the gearing on today's production cars though? This might be one of the major factors. It's one reason older cars are more fun, the ratios. I love a 4.44, is that still in production.
I was just thinking about it a couple days ago while talking to a friend, it is an insane big chunk of money they're losing, that Porsche is getting in their pockets haha
Notice that many of the petrol heads have missed the whole thing with paddle shifts with the F1 system. Most of us love the F1 race and the idea with the paddle system is that those of us who love F1 but can't drive F1 cars should get the same feeling when driving a Ferrari, being able to shift just like the F1 drivers do. So the most enjoyable thing for me anyway is that the Ferrari sounds as close as possible to an F1 car when they used the V12 and that you sit and shift with paddles just like the F1 drivers. It's maximum enjoyment and a bit of the realization of the dream of an F1 car. I think shifting manually is best if you want to get the feeling of driving a rally car. This is MY opinion. I don't care what Porsche does as I'm a Porsche hater.
Slower or not, the driving experience of dropping a clutch and shifting yourself is MORE FUN than driving a high powered car with an automatic. Doug is on point with this as far as I'm concerned. Lambos are also MORE FUN to drive as a stick than an auto which is why I'd like to see them have a manual option. Ferrari, Lamborghini and other manufacturers should remember this especially since there is money to be made.
This couldn’t be any more obvious. Doug is dead-on correct. They’d call them “classiche editions” and also promote their internal classiche program.
"Classische Edition"!? You must be kidding me! They'd never call them that horrible name! They'd call it "Edizione Classica"
@@Scisca1a2a in the next video: Doug presenting the quirks and features of his cease and desist letter that he received from ferrari.....
People want more fun and having a supercar with a manual is just that. With a automatic youre just rolling from A to B.
And they should do the same with naturally aspirated engines -- no batteries/hybrids -- people are tired of chasing top-speed and prioritize an exciting driving experience.
They love them so much they rarely buy them to the point that manufacturers don’t even make them anymore!
It makes me so happy as a long time viewer to finally see Doug with his own Carrera GT
He definitely earned it. Good dude.
Same
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Love it ❤️
After all the times he said he could never afford one, he fuckin did it.
Agreed. The rise in hyper fast cars (whether ICE or EV) is becoming so common that, what’s the point ? Why buy a $600k car when a Model S Plaid or a 911 Turbo will give you more than enough acceleration ?
Driving pleasure and driver engagement will probably be stronger points in the Luxury car world in the future, compared to performance numbers. We’re already seeing it with Gordon Murray’s cars. Lamborghini should be taking note as well, manual Lamborghinis are rare and super expensive.
True. It feels like average commuter cars are also getting pretty close to being just as comfortable as more expensive cars too. So pretty soon the luxury/performance car market’s going to have to find a new avenue to expand down to make it really worth the money, driver-focused setups seem like the best way to go
Agreed and lamborgini is know to be a very passionate, all about felling company. That's why they dont do turbos.
@@conor7154 and the dumbest comment of the year award goes to...
agree 100%
@@conor7154 That's not the point he's making, dumb-dumb. Speed and acceleration isn't everything.
The 911R flip era was truly an insane one
the Reserve spot would've been one of the best investments of all time.... OF ALL TIME. 300-100%% in less than a month, insane
Consumers clearly love manual sports cars. Doug is on point as usual. Also, it warms my heart to see Doug's Carrera GT behind him.
No way! Prices for 2000-2010 manual supercars are 2-3x their auto counterpart because they are rare not because consumers demand them. If there was massive demand for sticks ferrari and lamborghini would make them. They are rare because when they were offered not many people chose them, but now because they're rare they are worth more
@@GK-gc9cv thats not necessarily true, iirc subaru said that the manual take rate on the brz was 75%ish, i believe all 2023+ miatas are manual only due to low take rates on the automatic version, and honda still sells the manual only civic si and type r like hot cakes. there's clearly still demand among consumers for manual sports cars. yes, there may not have been massive demand for manual ferraris back when the f1 was introduced, but as the saying goes, sometimes you don't appreciate what you have till its gone.
@@2AMinLosAngeles he's saying ferrari.... much different demand profile for a ferrari/lamborghini than a $30k subaru, agree though its sad its not a choice for those who want it and are spending $300k+ for a car
@@GK-gc9cv if I had the money I'd pay the extra for the manual Ferrari.
And coincidentally that car would also fetch a premium from the collectors who never drive the car "just because it's limited edition".
The people who just want a Ferrari to show off, they can get the "Camry" Ferrari.
I have a very strong feeling the next car doug is gonna buy is a ferrari f40.
If Ford can put a manual in the Bronco, Ferrari can put a manual in its sports cars.
Ford v Ferrari II plot right there
Ford builds (easily) more than 10K Broncos per year. Ferrari between all models builds less tjan 15K
@@Gatotsu2009which means it should be easier.
@@reallynotmuffin lol, someone doesnt take into account fixed cost for development. The more units = cars you build the better.
Also you only takes into account the "building costs", manual requieres 3 pedales = additional crash tests.
@amazingjason w comment
Personally I think they made a huge mistake not to have a manual option on the Roma. That's a car they pretty much advertise as for posing, popping into town for a coffee, cruising along the riviera. Exactly the kind of car where you'd want that satisfying metallic claclack sound as you slide the next gear in.
Ahh the old 12 Speed, love me a 12 speed Ferrari 😂…keep it up Doug!
That F&F spec
Every car enthusiast should get to experience the satisfaction of a Ferrari manual gearbox at least once in their life.
The gated shifter really was such an iconic driving feel.
On My Bucket List!!!
I know Ferrari is the holy grail but I drove my friend’s R8 with a gated manual. I’ll never forget it
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I got to experience the gated shifter, but it wasn't exactly a satisfying experience, to say the least. Oh the shifter was amazing, truly amazing, but the car was a 308GTS a guy was asking $8,000 for in 2005. Yes, 8 thousand. For a reason. Ball joints were bad, brakes were toast, suspension kinda existed I think, major misfire, slipping clutch, AND MORE!!! I put together an estimate (for fun) years later and came up with $40k to JUST GET IT SAFE ENOUGH TO DRIVE. That doesn't include the wrecked interior, faded paint, missing trim, etc.
I won't let that taint any future experience with a manual Ferrari, however, as I'd still like to experience one that isn't a complete shitbox.
I share your enthusiasm 1000%...but in reality those gated shifters were not much fun.
Another big reason for this is the extraordinary improvements in performance we've seen over the last few years. Now virtually all new exotics (and even some less-than-exotics, like the C8 Corvette) are insanely fast, with 0-60 times in the low-to-mid 3-second range, or even less.
When your car is that fast, sacrificing a few tenths of a second of acceleration in exchange for the fun and feel of a manual is not a big deal -- the speed still astounds (and may even frighten) you every time you floor it.
Put another way, when the manual version does 0-60 in 6 seconds, it's a big deal go get it down to 5.5. But when the manual does it in 3.5, getting it down to 3.0 is far less noticeable, at least for most people.
And when you throw in the fact that the manual transmission is significantly cheaper to build (and, therefore, should be cheaper to buy), it really starts to make sense.
Exactly. TLDR: if it's only kinda quick, any change is noticeable. If it's fast as hell, a small change means it's still fast as hell.
@@nowthatsurban excellent way to put it.
However, there will be nothing to brag about or improvements in performance to brag about or advertised compared to rivals, only if Lambo follows suit and releasing manuals. Just like Ferrari now has a SUV (although they don't admit it is such) only after Lambo has one and has been a success.
Corvette is an exotic, stop bullshitting.
3.5 to 3 is actually more noticeable than 6 to 5.5, but the point is... With that kinda acceleration, if you're on a mountain road you take no time between corners. You're basically always braking, and that's it. They're too fast for fun roads.
Which is also why it looks like less powerful and lighter cars are making a come back: still plenty of power, but not so much that your average state is 2 times the posted speed limits.
i like seeing these sit down in the garage with a laptop videos. the car tours are always great but thinkpieces like this are a nice breath of fresh air
I am currently converting my 355F1 to a manual. This video just confirms I'm doing the right thing!!
I'd bet substantial money you are going to love that car even more when its done
I hired a 355 for a weekend about 20 years ago and the gearchange was the best I've experienced on any car. I think you'll love it.
Beavo
Your three kids have just enough kidneys between them to fund this endeavour.
Doug, you're a king! I always look forward to hearing your perspective on the car industry; thanks for always being on the beat!
I love how enthusiastic Doug gets in these style videos.
this topic, esecially.
I don't even drive a sports car, but I dearly miss manuals. I would've paid an extra grand to have a six-speed manual in my pedestrian Camry. The Camry has an eight-speed automatic and even has flappy paddles in sports mode. It would be absolutely 500% more fun with a plain old stick shift.
One of the few nice things about living in a third world country is Automatics are pretty much a luxury so most cars still offer a manual, and that makes me really fking happy
yes...and besides, who wants to have to have 2 hands on the damn steering wheel?
The emotional impact of a tactile and engaging driving experience just can't be beat regardless of how fast the transmission is. Dual clutch is cool in serious competition but manual is just outright more fun.
i'm on my 12th vehicle, and not one has been an automatic. sad to see how limited they are as far as modern vehicles, and even crazier that so many sports cars and exotics don't even offer them.
for instance, i'd buy a C5--C7 corvette before i'd ever buy a C8...which is never.
A manual swap for a Ferrari with the F1 gearbox, is probably some of the few mods that could actually incease it value, since it would not only improve the driving experience as reliability.
Tyler from Hoovies garage did it on his 599.
I love that people worry about the fact that the auto is faster, in reality most people tracking those kinds of cars are so slow they would make up more time just practicing their driving than saving a few tenths per shift.
I so much agree with Doug! My recipe would be: revive the 458 Speciale engine; resurrect the F430 gearbox; glue them together (if I'm not mistaken the 430 and 458 engines should be very close relatives) and just slam them into the 296 gtb chassis and cast a new "Icona" series along with the Daytona (which, by the way, if they made it with a manual would be just awsome). My apologies for my poor english and many thanks to Doug from Italy for this video
I feel so proud about that Carrera GT in the background of Doug's videos now :')
Those 911 Rs are AMAZING I remember even seeing a 911 R go for $1 Million, it is so focused on the experience, tossing all of the numbers out of the window and just focusing on delivering the experience, it is the best modern 911 for sure! ❤️
991.2 GT3 touring is a better car with its motorsport derived engine than the 911R. Most of the current value in the 911R is in its rarity. Admittedly, it's still a brilliant car.
@@usswia The 911 R has ZERO spund deadening you car to every single little thing of the engine (Proven by Jason Cammisa on his review that you can search) And it also doesn't even have glass on the rear it is just plastic on EU spec cars, believe me, no GT3 Touring is as great and as special as the 911 R.
@@Bmontepeque11 Cammisa himself has said that the Touring is better than the R.
@@filippkirtsis893 so did Chris Harris. Said the 4.0L in the Touring was even better than the 4.0L in the R. Revs higher with better torque in the mid range.
getting a reserved spot for one of those would've been one of the best investments ever.
Not just Ferrari but everyone! I’m getting tired of swapping transmissions on automatic car’s it’s a huge pain but always worth it. Glad you made this video!
Try swapping a manual into an SF90 and let me know how it goes.
@@MikeKayK sf90 is over half a million dollars
@@CarLoverPhotography You missed my point. High end Ferraris are 800-1000hp hybrids. They can't be manuals.
shocked the c8 didnt come with a manual it was mind boggling
If Ferrari somehow starts making manuals again this will confirm Doug's influence on the car market😂
Keep making these Sunday sit down and talk videos. It’s always neat to hear your take on different topics
You’re 100 percent correct. Imagine a manual 812 GTS??
I agree Doug! I also think that the F1 box was used to deliver at least as much as a "F1" "racing"xperience in the presence and the use of the paddles. And the noise
I can not stop smiling because of the background. Drive safely Doug!
Doug is the kind of guy to ask himself a question then say "that's a good question"
Thank you for trying to steer the exotic car industry into a more common sense direction. Hopefully Ferrari will listen to and appreciate what you have to say being such an influential person in the car world! The numbers certainly back up your opinion!
It doesn't worry me since I'll probably never even drive one let alone own one, but Ferrari strikes me as way too arrogant a company to ever consider their customers' enjoyment. They've always had the attitude that a person should consider themselves lucky if the company even allows them to buy one of their cars.
Make more videos with the carrera gt! It can just be you driving it and chatting to the camera or something. It doesn’t matter what the video is we just need more videos with the carrera gt!!! You can post them on the More Doug DeMuro channel if you don’t want to post them on this channel!
He should take it to CarMax, back where it all began.
Could be a "My experience owning a Carrera GT after 1/3/6 months".
Would looove that video!
@@drunkenhobo8020 YES!
"I bought the extended warranty..." 😂
Absolutely, yes yes yes, manual transmissions rock and thanks, Doug Demuro, for hi-lighting the manual Ferrari! Long live the third pedal : o )
Doug is out here doing God’s work.
The 550 vs 575 comparison isn't quite as clear cut though: according to what I've read from magazines etc, the standard 575 suspension was overall a step back compared to the earlier 550, so it wasn't necessarily "better" in all areas. (the HGTC packaged solved that)
I wish I had won the lottery in the early 2000s when the value of a used 550 Marenello was actually depreciated somewhat and only around $90k... probably my favorite all around car in NFS II High Stakes on Playstation back in 1998.
In Europe cheapest fully working 550 were $75k only one year ago. How they are $100k and going up at least $2k/month.
Yep! You’re right, and everyone knows you’re right. However, throughout almost their entire history, Ferrari has proven themselves to be pretty-much completely unconcerned about right and wrong or, for that matter, the preferences of their customers. In other words, they’re stubborn, just as most hot-blooded Italians tend to be.
Eventually, I think they’ll come around, but they might hold out just a little bit beyond the point that people might expect to prove that they are their own masters.
I think this has something to do with the fact that car-aficionado, Jay Leno, doesn’t own a single Ferrari.
" However, throughout almost their entire history, Ferrari has proven themselves to be pretty-much completely unconcerned about right and wrong or, for that matter, the preferences of their customers."
This is hyperbole but not THAT hyperbole 😂
Either way, Ferrari has also proved themselves to be obsessed with making money at every turn. So what a difficult choice they must make! haha
Jay Leno's case against Ferrari seems like a 30 year old personal grudge with a particular Ferrari dealership. He was praising Ford for their application process and ownership rules for the Ford GT and the application process included checking how many Ford cars an applicant owned but when it was the same situation with Ferrari, he felt bad when the dealership asked him to own a few Ferrari's which he calls as 'crappy Ferrari's'.
One good outcome of Enzo’s arrogance was dissing Ferruccio Lamborghini’s complaints about his Ferrari, encouraging him to say “up yours, I’ll go make a better car”
@@amarjit_singh_ Lol he’s basically angry that Ferrari treated him as a normal person and not a celebrity, good for Ferrari shows their approval process is at least honest. And that’s the hypocrisy I don’t like with so many of these car personalities. They complain about Ferrari’s stupid approval process but act like other supercar makers would sell them any car they want without an “approval” process.
@@SkodaYetiFan You are spot on, he wanted the special treatment but Ferrari denied that. He wanted the crème de la crème Ferrari's without getting the so called 'crappy Ferrari's', and funny thing is that he was talking about Mondial's, those things went out of production about 30 years ago. Just a very biased person concerning his views towards Ford and Ford GT and I'm not surprised why!
Well…
Can anybody else see it …
Mr. DeMuro is becoming a business adviser on the long run…
The ground work is done … slowly but surely things change… great idea …
With THIS type of followers 👍
Doug the type of guy to build a car platform to derive sales statistics from to PROVE to auto manufacturers that they're not listening to the consumer.
Yes, save the manuals!
I think there is also a technical reason for automatic transmission on modern cars… with +/- 700hp that you have on modern cars, the clutch use is much more optimized electronically and with such a power, the clutch pedal would have to be really hard in order to handle all these hp… Not that simple I think, unless maybe decreasing the power of the engine too, or having an assisted clutch… what would mean not really manual…
I think an assisted clutch would be fine. Had a ninja with slipper clutch and it just fixes any mistakes you make. As long as you are mostly in control and get the feel of shifting, thats enough. I think the new fully electronic manuals (faux manuals) will probably do just fine as well, since they hopefully capture the feel and engagement of driving a car "manually"
Cable clutch operation is tipically standard in economy cars. The rest is fitted with hydraulic command so pedal weight is not an issue.
Isn't there a Challenger with over 800hp and a 3rd pedal? If they can figure it out on a $50k Dodge, I would think it would be the least of their concerns on a $500k Ferrari. Not to mention the Ferrari probably weighs 500-1000lbs less, meaning it's that much less strain on the clutch.
In Iran , import of cars has been banded and before that import was limited and local manufactors can't figure out how to build an automatic transmission, So 70% of cars in Iran are manual and the cars that are automatic have a 30% - 50% premium
The "faster" thing never made sense to me as a selling point for a dual clutch. If you're planning to enter the 24 hours of Le Mans, then yeah, get the automatic. If not, you'll be plenty fast enough with the manual. In fact, most owners won't use anywhere near the manual car's capabilities. People just want to enjoy driving and be engaged with the car.
in a real sportscar, going into 3rd with a manual without taking your foot off the gas is already more than enough, unless ya have court connections.
I doubt Ferrari will offer the manual gearbox option again. The "official" explanation was that the owners kept burning the clutches, and it costs more than four arms and six legs to replace the clutches under the warranty.
Clutches aren't a warranty item. Ferrari ditched manuals because automatics made them more money -- but now the tide has turned. They should embrace reality and make money!
This video is heartwarming to hear as a die-hard manual fan.
Absolute facts. But another big aspect of these used prices is the fact that the older ones are simply proper drivers cars, and are so much cooler and more interesting than any new Ferraris. As you said about the 599, I bet anybody buying one of those isn’t interested in a new Ferrari at all… I know I wouldn’t be.
Great take! Ive only driven a couple of Ferraris with the vaunted gated manual (never owned one - I was merely a porter at a dealership), but MAN you'd just feel like an absolute boss when cracking off perfect shifts and hearing that exhaust sing. SO satisfying. I dont care if the new ones are faster. Theyre missing that primal element the older ones had, even if slow by modern standards.
Here is the problem, used car buyers want manuals, new car buyers do NOT want manuals. Sales numbers don't lie.
You must have skipped the part where Doug spoke about the 911 R and GT3
@@michu6777 Go look at the actual sales numbers. The GT3 is an extreme outlier in the market.
@@michu6777 very niche market and low volume production, dosent make porsche a ton of money
Doug... you keep being you, because you my friend, are great. Well done.
LMAO...."Why not do it with 3 pedals?" Bout fell on the floor! That simple question is so powerful and genius. Absolutely love it. Great research on your part Mr. DeMuro. If you were in English class, you would've got an A-Plus on your persuasive essay. Well done.😃
Car journalists when a car offers a manual option: "The DCT is faster and the manual in this particular doesn't feel as connected".
Car journalists when a company phases out manuals: "Oh no this is the end of an era, cars are losing their soul, we need more manuals"
Doug is a prime example of this.
Ur 100% on point like more car makers need to realize there is a lot of people not ready to give up on a manual transmission now maybe in 50 or so years when most people prolly won’t kno how to drive manual but bring more manuals!!!
Most Americans don't know how to drive a manual or "stick" now.
@@alexandertroy9621 I've been successful teaching people to drive manual transmission cars. I start with describing how the clutch works using a dinner plate and a salad plate.
@@alexandertroy9621 I've seen several recent studies indicating otherwise. Kelley Blue Book did one in 2020 and found that 66% of Americans claimed to know how to drive manual, with 55% having owned or leased one at some point in their life. Also, among Americans aged 18-50 who don't know how to drive manual, 63 percent answered that they were "very interested" in learning to.
in 50 years most people won't even know how to drive a car that doesn't drive itself...
Manual Transmissions
Faster isn't better. It's just faster.
Manuals are better because they make you want to go for a drive.
Slapdick transmissions not so much.....
I see the exact same thing with Lamborghini. My dream car is a manual 6.5 Mercialago but those go for 600-700k while the automatics go for like 200k. It's insane the premium that manula supercars hold over the automatics
100% agree. Manual should be an option with ALL cars, not just Ferrari. My dad taught me (and my two sisters) how to drive in his 1981 Mustang GTHO. He always insisted we learn Manual first because it makes you a fundamentally better driver overall. I agree. I had to order my 2015 M235i with a 6 Speed (for 3k less than auto) tranny from Germany simply because there were no manuals available in the US..Dafuq? At least BMW HAS the option though!
I own a Ferrari and it is not manual. I mean i still love it, how can you not it has a F1 based double clutch paddle shifter..i mean hell yes. Still, i fantasize how it would be if it WAS manual sometimes! Well my 14 YO daughter is going to learn how to drive with my 4 speed 1986 Toyota pickup lol. And so will my 11YO son when it time. Nuff said.
The way Doug delivered the line “I think they could be making a LOT MORE MONEY. If they would just make manuals…” 👏
The whole 911R situation was a mess. It really showed the true colors of who are real enthusiasts versus who just saw it as a money maker. Porsche never saw it as an opportunity to cater to enthusiasts. They made more manuals SOLELY to undercut flippers.
Make manuals? Houston, we have an ESG problem
That carrera in background is putting a smile on my face, so happy for you sir !!!
Ive always thought driver engagement & enjoyment was a more important factor
than hyper performance in cars when its impossible to even take it to its furthest capabilities, a cc850 is more desirable and sentiment-worthy than a speedtail.
I love these videos where you just feel like your sitting in Doug’s garage
the fact that even pagani brought back the manual on the utopia means something about the consumer base
What I heard is that customers of the Huayra wasn't impressed with the transmission and wanted a DCT but Pagani was against DCT (being heavier) decided on a manual option for the Utopia.
@@amarjit_singh_ i heard many regrets on pagani huayra transmission
but i wasn't aware of this
thanks ! :D
the positive side it's that we got the stick back on a multi million supercar
the thing that i miss personnaly on newer paganis (i don't know about you or other people in the comment section) is the sound
on zonda's it was pretty good ( even magnificiant) but on the huayra's the engine isn't really here in term of audio , it's more all the turbo noises that complete it
@@verrucktgames If you look at it solely from the perspective of a manual gearbox, then it's a positive considering only a handful of sportscar/supercar manufacturers make them. But a limited production, 850+hp, rwd, manual gearbox supercar/hypercar isn't a good recipe, moreover these are limited production cars and will mostly end up as garage queens while a manual gearbox car is a driver's car, meant to be driven. So in a nutshell, this somehow defeats the purpose.
FACTS! As a manual 991.1 driver... I COULD CARE LESS that PDK is faster. I do not have the skill to maximize my 911 as it is! Stomping the clutch, rowing the gears and rev matching downshifts brings a smile to my face. (And its probably an honest to god theft deterrent, too)
100% agree! They should definitely make a car with manual transmission considering the special Porsche manual-only models are selling for insane money. 991.2 Speedster, 991.1 R and 992.1 Sport Classic, all of them. If Ferrari ever release a car with a stick, people are willing to pay big money🎉
Spot on Doug. When people see the 5 speed gated shifter in my 328 or TR, they go nuts!!!
How amazing does that Carrera GT look behind Doug?! Aweome to see it in your garage - long time coming and you have earned it many times over. Always look forward to your videos - cant wait to see more and the next evolution of the channel. Doug Evo 3 MR 🎉🎉
Gordon Murray is correct all this time . . . He doesn't focus on speed & how quick from 0 to 100Km/Hour . . . It's about fun to drive.
The 296 GTB is a hybrid with torque fill... prob the last car that would ever make sense to be converted into a manual due to powertrain --the rest of the lineup, especially the Roma and F12 Comp would suit it well though
You mean 812. Think about 800+ hp peaky high revving motor with a manual. Death wish. Even the 700hp hellcat with low end power is a huge handful with a stick shift.
@@MikeKayK T50 revs to 13000? The Carerra GT revs high. Valkyrie with manual conversion would probably be...safe.🤞
@@adampetten5349 T50 revs to the moon, that's true, but that engine was specifically sized and designed for a manual transmission, as was the CGT. But maybe you're right. The 599 is a blast to drive with the manual so the f12 and 812 could possibly work with lots and lots and lots of money thrown at them, assuming there's Ferrari manual gearbox hardware that could actually handle that power.
Car enthusiasts: If companies made manual sports cars so many people would buy them!
Dodge: Makes the Viper manual only and then discontinues it due to low sales.
People hate the Viper because it's uncomfortable and annoying to drive, not because it has a manual transmission. Have you ever sat in one? It has worse visibility than a Lamborghini Diablo
They discontinued it because they couldn’t fit side curtain airbags in the car which were mandated
Love it when Doug does the old cranky lady voice! Hilarious! 🤣🤣
Agree 100%. Best way to differentiate themselves as it all become a homogenized HP/range arms race
The math checks out sir…..I AGREE WITH YOU. Old gated shifts were amazing! 🎉
yeah we know that's why he psoted it you think we needed you to point out wht he just showed?!?!? As though you have any credibility or are the expert on fact-checking Doug?
@@slowery43 Thanks for your comment, I hope you have a great and blessed weekend! Have a wonderful weekend 👍
While I personally am not one for manual cars, I do think it's a good idea for all manufacturers to offer both automatic and manual cars. This is why I love Japanese car companies, because not only are they cheap and reliable but they also offer a wide range of transmission types for people.
Bollocks. Nearly every decent lexus has been auto only
Totally agree. I was watching a review about the new Fairlady Z and I was amazed that you can buy it with a manual! A 2023 car with 400hp and a manual! Sadly it won't be available to Europe but I am currently trying to find a way to bring one.
This presentation is a thoroughly entertaining format, well done sir! 👍
The only Emira I'm considering is the manual V6, so yeah. I don't care if dual clutch is faster. Many people who are into sports cars for more than just bragging care about these transmissions
Doug, you're using logic where it doesn't apply. It appears Ferrari is more concerned with keeping their exclusivity and prestige rather than making money. They don't care what any other automaker is doing. They'll continue building whatever they want and their loyal customers must continue to bow at their feet for an opportunity to buy their products.
I think, you're absolutely right. Why bother to make a rare manual 4 million hypercar? They would sell it as easily if it is dual clutch, just because it is a rare Ferrari 😆
Imagine if at the time the McLaren SLR had came with a manual gearbox and the Stirling Moss front end edition? Not a surprise it would be right there in the seven figure league.
Manual transmission was never the intent for the SLR. That is supposed to be a luxury GT car that anyone can get in and drive fast as well as just trundle along in traffic smoothly. That's what normal Mercedes SL models are about as well.
Right on the money Doug. Excellent examples of pre owned Ferrari prices and what Porsche is doing. Also the hypercar space is going back to manuals (Pagani, Koenigsegg and GMA). It shows the buyers will pay the millions.
LOVE seeing the CGT in the background 🏆💯
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it would be best decision they've made in years.
Amen.
Manual transmissions are making a comeback. The biggest let down was Chevy not making the Z06 in a manual
For future reference: 3/17/2023 Ferrari N.V. (RACE) $259.50/share
For more evidence of this, Hoovie converted his beautiful Ferrari 599 Fiorano to a manual transmission. And I don't blame him one bit, I would have done the same thing. Check out the "Normal Guy Supercar" channel for the video. This is exactly why Porsche sells more cars per year than Ferrari does. The Portofino, Roma, and 812 should come with a manual option. Most modern Ferrari buyers are speculators, and don't drive their cars. They brag about how few miles are on the odometer. The last manual transmission Ferrari's were a few California's. Thank you.
The day Ferrari listens to Doug, is the day Doug knows he's made it in life!
Congrats Doug! You have just earned your PhD in Ferrari manuals!
I'm in total agreement. If you care about shift speeds, acceleration etc then stick to the F1/DCT, if you care about driving experience & engagement, manual is the way to go. It's ALWAYS more pleasurable to row your own gears
how people don't understand this is preposterous.
Doug is 100% right and not only about Ferrari.
In fact most enthusiast cars including off-road cars should be produced with a manual.
Despite all advantages of an automatic most enthusiasts love manual.
Thanks for the amazing content Doug demuro,you’re the best!!!😊😊😊
Quick answer: car guys would actually buy them
Both my truck and car are manual. I ordered my truck that way from the factory. Traveled over 500 miles to buy my car with a manual. I drive them both into the city 3 days a week in traffic. It's all about the driving experience. If I could all my cars would always be manual. I'm at a point in life where I need a newer family truck that can tow, so I'm at a point where I may be stuck with am automatic.
I put a gated shift in my Abarth 500 esseesse. My own mini Ferrari. The gated manual shift was all about the feeling of controlling a mechanical beast. The click/clack of metal on metal when changing gears makes every drive a lot more involving and evocative. I may not be able to afford a manual Ferrari but I can sure afford to drive like a manual Ferrari.
Don't always agree with you but do here 100%. Another interesting spin would be as regulations tighten and they have to go all electric, then find an innovative way to make a manual electric. Would be novel and bring back a bit of old-school driving experience to the boring (but fast) electric drivetrain.
Unless there is a new technology around the corner, nobody is going all electric.
I do agree it would be an excellent idea that Ferrari bring back manuals. But when you look at the market for manual transmissions, it's becoming very narrow. Mini makes manual standard for their vehicles but 75% will option for the automatic. (For example). As for Ferraris, they changed because of the trends; more people want full performance compared to the fun experience of manuals. Although porsche still does manuals, but then again the market there is still extremely limited and expensive. Not everyone wants to spend so much for such a limited market.
I do understand your argument, but logically when you go for a performance brand, the majority will buy the automatic.
Ferrari boutta send Doug a cease and desist 💀💀
Ferrari knows how to make money just fine. The stock is up 25% this year and, as a shareholder, I approve of their methodology. They know their market, their brand, and their audience.
This really is a "Save the manuals!" whine in disguise, regardless of how you may protest.
And let the hand-waving begin! I always get excited when a new Doug video appears!
Yes! My 1st car was a ‘76 Beetle! Manual forever!
Yep. 75 Rabbit, then an 80 Rabbit, then a new 87 Golf GT. All sticks FTW!
Have you seen air cooled Beetle prices lately?
@@nucleargrizzly1776 No, I need to look! I miss that car everyday
This channel is going down in flames 🔥🔥🔥 .... the views are telling the truth
Fun fact: there hasn't been any major production car to feature a gated manual, since the 1st gen Audi R8 went out of production in 2015.
Don't the modern vehicle emission laws effect the gearing on today's production cars though? This might be one of the major factors.
It's one reason older cars are more fun, the ratios. I love a 4.44, is that still in production.
I was just thinking about it a couple days ago while talking to a friend, it is an insane big chunk of money they're losing, that Porsche is getting in their pockets haha
Notice that many of the petrol heads have missed the whole thing with paddle shifts with the F1 system. Most of us love the F1 race and the idea with the paddle system is that those of us who love F1 but can't drive F1 cars should get the same feeling when driving a Ferrari, being able to shift just like the F1 drivers do. So the most enjoyable thing for me anyway is that the Ferrari sounds as close as possible to an F1 car when they used the V12 and that you sit and shift with paddles just like the F1 drivers. It's maximum enjoyment and a bit of the realization of the dream of an F1 car. I think shifting manually is best if you want to get the feeling of driving a rally car. This is MY opinion.
I don't care what Porsche does as I'm a Porsche hater.
Slower or not, the driving experience of dropping a clutch and shifting yourself is MORE FUN than driving a high powered car with an automatic. Doug is on point with this as far as I'm concerned. Lambos are also MORE FUN to drive as a stick than an auto which is why I'd like to see them have a manual option. Ferrari, Lamborghini and other manufacturers should remember this especially since there is money to be made.