This is a perfect example of not immediately judging a character. The first time I saw Deep Space Nine I didn’t like Bashir because he seemed to be so arrogant. But then I got to know him better. And several years later I saw the first season again. And when I saw how the other characters reacted to him, I thought: o come on, give him a break. Can’t you see he doesn’t mean it that way? And then I thought: wait a minute. I had exactly the same reaction the first time. Like I said, people should get to know each other before judging them. Bashir soon became my very favorite character in all Star Trek shows.
Garak/Bashir is one of the greatest character dynamics ever as far as I’m concerned. It would have been nice if they’d been able to let it go into proper text, but I’m so glad the actors gave us what we got. Bashir/O’Brien is also so great and real - the fact that he got on the chief’s nerves but they were still friends is such a real touch. Friends get on each others nerves now and then!
One of my favourite things in ds9 was the wholesome friendship between Bashir and Obrian, going from him disliking him so much and seeing their bond evolve and deepen was one of treks best arcs
I read that Alexabder Siddig changed his name because he claims he was told "no one can say your name." And he was like "why is el fadil allegedly so hard to say?"
@@jakeg3126 "no one can say your name" is code, a euphemism for, "there are racists in this industry who won't hire an actor with a foreign sounding name".
@@jakeg3126 He is Sudanese-British. His full Arabic name is Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abdurrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi. He went by Siddig El Fadil as his stage name in the 90s, but changed it to Alexander Siddig after 9/11 to avoid being stigmatized as an Arab. He's gone by Alexander Siddig ever since.
What I didn’t know for a long time was that Bashir was the actual father of the baby Kira was carrying … (or more accurately Siddig was the father of the baby Nana Visitor was carrying)
There was a scene where Kira and Bashir are arguing and she comes out with something along the lines of "you did this to me!!!", which was a tongue-in-cheek reference to reality... :P
During "The Way of the Warrior" there's a moment when Kira says to Bashir "...This is your fault!". While referring to the emergency transport of Keiko's baby, it was actually a winking reference to Siddig impregnating Nana Visitor. I giggle every time I see that scene
That baby bump is all grown up now, and Django El Siddig is an actor in his own right. He did a table read of a fan story with his dad-it was incredible.
@@bonusbaby801 It's news to me too. I did a wikipedia search. Now I know they were married. Letting it sink in. I need to watch their scenes again. If the romance happened to their characters on the show, I'd think Kira was motivated in part by her hatred of Cardassians and she didn't want to see Julian with Garak. Maybe it played out IRL too? LOL.
Alas, not a word about an Irish (United Ireland) maintenance tech and a Sudanese genetically enhanced doctor, having a rollicking drunk singing England's unofficial anthem (Elgar's music to Blake's Jerusalem).
While Bashir isn't among my top favorite TREK characters, he is still among my favorites. Siddig and Robinson and Siddig and Meany both had great chemistry on screen. My interpretation is that Bashir had secret dalliances with Garek, and was quite in love with O'Brien. The reason for the secret dalliances being that Garek is Kardashian, and didn't want to be seen as a collaborator. Oops, I mean Cardassian. Cardassian are nowhere near as evil as the Kardashians.
Yay to both Garashir (for life!) and to Siddig for his personal comment. It is always good to see people who are comfortable in themselves in a society that hasn’t come as far as Star Trek’s universe. And, as a Pan person who found my closet key in TNG, representation does matter! Loved, loved, loved this one 💜🌈🖖
I like the realism of Bashir's genetic background coming out and it ending up with a lean sentence for his dad. Very Real World where those that have power and position get special treatment. If he wasn't such a good doctor, he would have been thrown in a facility for the genetically altered.
Meanwhile, 8 years earlier, a federation research facility was openly engineering GIANT muscular 12 year olds, with telekinetic and telepathic abilities, with immune systems that could kill people
It's complicated, because he didn't consent to the treatments himself. They were done *to* him by order of his parents. Starfleet's problem wasn't him having the procedures done to him: it was *hiding it from them*, just like that Enterprise-D crewman with the Romulan ancestor, Simon Tarses.
I was hoping for more background on Bashir's genetic upbringing, where his parents described how he was genetically modified to be a "normal child." I wonder does this ties in with "Gary Seven," who's also a "generically modified" human.
Now that would be a good direction, Bashir instead of being recruited into Section 31 is instead brought in to be one of the watchers and become a supervisor.
How about a video on How Star Trek can prove Gene Roddenberry was a time traveler. He shows Mr Atos using DVDs in the Library in All Our Yesterdays. Or Flint viewing a flat screen plazma tv seen in Requiem for Methuselah ? You could call the video ~ 10 Time Travel Artifacts that should not exist in Star trek.
Neither of those are proof of anything. Coming up with items that are super-futuristic at the time and eventually items similar to them becoming reality happens all the time. It's called technologic advancement. Do you think it takes a time-traveler to come up with the idea of a TV being small and flat? Or the idea of a disc-like object that would hold video at a time when disc-like objects already hold music? And then you've got the inspired-by angle. Cellphones were inspired by TOS. A Trekkie who worked for Motorola wanted to make them a reality and developed the first mobile phone. Digital music compression allowing you to fit multiple songs onto a hard drive came about because a Trekkie saw the episode of TNG where Data is calling up different classical songs from the computer and it intrigued him since at the time a single song would've taken up an entire hard drive. So he tasked his team (he worked on QuickTime) to come up with a compression routine to allow what he saw. Lots of things were inspired by Trek over the years.
From the start of the series, Bashir did come across as very annoying, but I think it's apt, a new-to-the-job person excited for a new adventure in life, settles in, matures, and calms down, well, apart from the holosuite adventures of course... :P
Fun fact: His full birth name is Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abdurrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi. He changed his stage name from Siddig El Fadil to Alexander Siddig after 9/11 to try to avoid the stigma of having an Arab name while working in the US.
I feel stupid because i was kinda lost on some of these. How do actors “write their characters” and why wouldn’t the directors and other actors be in the loop of that stuff. I would assume they’d all be in the loop of everyone’s characters because tv shows are more or less a group project.
Wait, what? Bshir's character was initially hated by audiences? I was drawn to him in the beginning. But then I had the hots for him. I thought the naive arrogance made him adorable. I still think it's a damn shame the show runner wouldn't let the Garak/Bashir storyline advance the way it should have.
I never warmed up to Dr. Bashir. He was a good foil for Garek and O'Brien, but I tolerated him, while enjoying Garek's and O'Brien's characters. His. Staccato. Delivery. Was. Annoying. Even worse when playing the mirror universe character. I felt the My Man Bashir episode was solely to try and make him more likeable. I've seen him in other projects and he's a good actor ... with. an. annoyingly. staccato. delivery.
Really? The doctor who's going to be making a move on every woman in sight was originally called Amoros? Looks like the word amorous to me. Splendidly ironic! However his being genetically enhanced seemed extremely logical considering the things he had accomplished by the fifth season, too. He was up for the Carrington award at such a young age, season three I think. Which was before he cured the Quickening. It's just obvious he missed that question making him salutatorian on purpose. He almost bragged about it, and he was almost proud of the way it made it seem like he was fallible. IDK, it just seemed like it was the plan for the character the whole time by "Dr. Bashir I presume". That episode in particular brought him to life. His bad luck with women, his various spectacular accomplishments, nothing about his parents, even his first patient Kukalaka all seemed realistic. This guy was a super genius trying to pass for normal. I'm kinda surprised that it wasn't made obvious to the viewers in "Distant Voices". But there's enough subtext to suggest maybe Altovar stumbled on a hint or maybe his telepathy wasn't strong enough to unbury a secret held so deep. In reality it worked, made sense and was even obvious in the end. Like y'know, duh, of course! Just like how an obvious reason for Garak to be exhiled had something to do with being bisexual or even gay in such a family oriented society. It's one of those things they weren't brave enough to do. But a franchise like Trek has to choose its battles. I think Bashir being an augment explains a lot.
He had to have the bear, because that was the only friend he could talk to about his genetic alterations until he was found out. Think about it. It's actually deep!
While I totally see the Garak’s coding as a gay or bisexual man, I never got that feeling from Bashir that he was anything but heterosexual… bad with women… but still a heterosexual. I would have appreciated if Garak moved on with his inappropriate crush on a young straight man and found someone his own age to fall in love with… not that love or romance was a key aspect to Garak’s multilayered character. I almost got the feeling he didn’t trust love because of his past. Thats why he had no romantic aspirations.
He didn't like the idea of becoming a product of genetic engineering . Oddly 😊the writers goofed. He once said his dad was an ambassador. Then that changed when his parents showed up
Bashir is a CLONE!?! Bashir was replaced by a FOUNDER!?! 🤣🤣. I remember watching when it originally aired. I'm still scratching my head on that one 🤣❤️🖖
@@river_acheronunless something unfortunate happened to the actress, I'd say Ogawa shoild be first. Patti Yasutake unfortunately recently passed due to cancer.
Legally...no, at least on the genetic engineering front. He's technically the victim; his parents ordered the treatments done to him, which he wasn't able to deny consent to (being a child at the time).
As a gay man, STOP IT with saying Julian and Garak were hot for each other. So stupid. Yeah, that's why Julian was hot for Leeta and Ezri and Garak was with Ziyal. Stupid stupid stupid.
I honestly do not understand your comment. I get it, there are people who are only gay, but pretty much every single gay person i met in my life (and there are many) are more or less bi or even pansexual. As Shawn said: Siddig wanted to play Bashir as "a little bit gay" because he is "a little bit gay" himself - whats wrong about that?
Ever hear of the term bisexual? There’s no reason that Bashir can’t be bisexual! After all, plenty of real-life men and women are bisexual! Why not Bashir?
The Bashir and garak being more than friends thing is absolutely disgusting and I'm glad they didn't do it! It would've absolutely torched and ruined my favourite star trek show!
Met him in Manchester some years ago. Very nice chap and went out of his way with a disabled fan in a very genuine way.
This is a perfect example of not immediately judging a character. The first time I saw Deep Space Nine I didn’t like Bashir because he seemed to be so arrogant. But then I got to know him better. And several years later I saw the first season again. And when I saw how the other characters reacted to him, I thought: o come on, give him a break. Can’t you see he doesn’t mean it that way? And then I thought: wait a minute. I had exactly the same reaction the first time. Like I said, people should get to know each other before judging them. Bashir soon became my very favorite character in all Star Trek shows.
Garak/Bashir is one of the greatest character dynamics ever as far as I’m concerned. It would have been nice if they’d been able to let it go into proper text, but I’m so glad the actors gave us what we got. Bashir/O’Brien is also so great and real - the fact that he got on the chief’s nerves but they were still friends is such a real touch. Friends get on each others nerves now and then!
One of my favourite things in ds9 was the wholesome friendship between Bashir and Obrian, going from him disliking him so much and seeing their bond evolve and deepen was one of treks best arcs
I read that Alexabder Siddig changed his name because he claims he was told "no one can say your name." And he was like "why is el fadil allegedly so hard to say?"
Because racism
@@robg8307guess so.
@@robg8307how is that racism? It’s an odd name. I think it’s cool though
@@jakeg3126 "no one can say your name" is code, a euphemism for, "there are racists in this industry who won't hire an actor with a foreign sounding name".
@@jakeg3126 He is Sudanese-British. His full Arabic name is Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abdurrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi. He went by Siddig El Fadil as his stage name in the 90s, but changed it to Alexander Siddig after 9/11 to avoid being stigmatized as an Arab. He's gone by Alexander Siddig ever since.
I loved him from the start. I felt like he had a lot of growing space and trusted that he'd turn into a great character. And he's a fantastic actor!
I liked the growth arc that Bashir went through.
What I didn’t know for a long time was that Bashir was the actual father of the baby Kira was carrying … (or more accurately Siddig was the father of the baby Nana Visitor was carrying)
There was a scene where Kira and Bashir are arguing and she comes out with something along the lines of "you did this to me!!!", which was a tongue-in-cheek reference to reality... :P
During "The Way of the Warrior" there's a moment when Kira says to Bashir "...This is your fault!". While referring to the emergency transport of Keiko's baby, it was actually a winking reference to Siddig impregnating Nana Visitor. I giggle every time I see that scene
@@kadriaof-inviolate5133, WHOA...ALL THESE YEARS & I AM JUST FINDING OUT THAT SIDDIG IS NANA VISITOR'S REAL LIFE BABY DADDY??? WTF???
That baby bump is all grown up now, and Django El Siddig is an actor in his own right. He did a table read of a fan story with his dad-it was incredible.
@@bonusbaby801 It's news to me too. I did a wikipedia search. Now I know they were married. Letting it sink in. I need to watch their scenes again. If the romance happened to their characters on the show, I'd think Kira was motivated in part by her hatred of Cardassians and she didn't want to see Julian with Garak. Maybe it played out IRL too? LOL.
Not many actors could have made the evolution of Bashir work as well as the actor did. He is quite brilliant.
Alas, not a word about an Irish (United Ireland) maintenance tech and a Sudanese genetically enhanced doctor, having a rollicking drunk singing England's unofficial anthem (Elgar's music to Blake's Jerusalem).
While Bashir isn't among my top favorite TREK characters, he is still among my favorites. Siddig and Robinson and Siddig and Meany both had great chemistry on screen. My interpretation is that Bashir had secret dalliances with Garek, and was quite in love with O'Brien. The reason for the secret dalliances being that Garek is Kardashian, and didn't want to be seen as a collaborator. Oops, I mean Cardassian. Cardassian are nowhere near as evil as the Kardashians.
But we all know he was in love with Jadzia
I can't be the only one @10:27 thought his first patience is Radar's Teddy bear from MASH?
@@krazyhorse448 No, you’re thinking of Klinger’s wife … lol
Bit of a stretch. SG-1 on the other hand literally had a guy named Walter who in the later seasons acted just like Radar in a lot of scenes.
Good to know I wasn’t imagining Garak hitting on Bashir.
Bashir is probably the Trek character I see the most of myself in and I wish I could meet Sid to tell him that!
I so wish Siddig and Raul Julia could have played brothers in something. I never really noticed before now how similar they look.
They might've in Julia's dramatic debut.
If he became the Boss of Section 31 Garak would certainly be proud of him.
"... know that I am very proud of you doctor. Unfortunately now I have to kill you. I know you will understand". LOLs
Our Man Bashir
Sean! Thanks for bringing us another fun list.
Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Garak.
"back when the cost of complaining was the effort of a letter"
yeah, good times back then.
Yay to both Garashir (for life!) and to Siddig for his personal comment. It is always good to see people who are comfortable in themselves in a society that hasn’t come as far as Star Trek’s universe.
And, as a Pan person who found my closet key in TNG, representation does matter!
Loved, loved, loved this one 💜🌈🖖
I loved him in Kingdom of Heaven. His character has such humility and strength. Cheers to you good sir and your exceptional craft.
Bashir is my favourite character in DS9
I like the realism of Bashir's genetic background coming out and it ending up with a lean sentence for his dad. Very Real World where those that have power and position get special treatment.
If he wasn't such a good doctor, he would have been thrown in a facility for the genetically altered.
Meanwhile, 8 years earlier, a federation research facility was openly engineering GIANT muscular 12 year olds, with telekinetic and telepathic abilities, with immune systems that could kill people
@@tigerbread78 but it's still illegal, of course 🤣
@@leoismylastname Of course!
It's complicated, because he didn't consent to the treatments himself. They were done *to* him by order of his parents.
Starfleet's problem wasn't him having the procedures done to him: it was *hiding it from them*, just like that Enterprise-D crewman with the Romulan ancestor, Simon Tarses.
Tough crowd
Also, Alexander Siddig is the nephew of Malcom McDowell.
Yes, through Siddig's mother = McDowell's sister.
As a young Brit growing up watching DS9, I was just glad there was a character with an accent like mine.
Julian is my favorite character in all of Star Trek.
It's a shame we haven't seen a Bashir/O'Brien re-teamup
I was hoping for more background on Bashir's genetic upbringing, where his parents described how he was genetically modified to be a "normal child." I wonder does this ties in with "Gary Seven," who's also a "generically modified" human.
Now that would be a good direction, Bashir instead of being recruited into Section 31 is instead brought in to be one of the watchers and become a supervisor.
No11: "He´s a Doctor, not a youtuber"
I had the biggest crush on Bashir growing up
How about a video on How Star Trek can prove Gene Roddenberry was a time traveler. He shows Mr Atos using DVDs in the Library in All Our Yesterdays. Or Flint viewing a flat screen plazma tv seen in Requiem for Methuselah ? You could call the video ~ 10 Time Travel Artifacts that should not exist in Star trek.
Neither of those are proof of anything. Coming up with items that are super-futuristic at the time and eventually items similar to them becoming reality happens all the time. It's called technologic advancement. Do you think it takes a time-traveler to come up with the idea of a TV being small and flat? Or the idea of a disc-like object that would hold video at a time when disc-like objects already hold music? And then you've got the inspired-by angle. Cellphones were inspired by TOS. A Trekkie who worked for Motorola wanted to make them a reality and developed the first mobile phone. Digital music compression allowing you to fit multiple songs onto a hard drive came about because a Trekkie saw the episode of TNG where Data is calling up different classical songs from the computer and it intrigued him since at the time a single song would've taken up an entire hard drive. So he tasked his team (he worked on QuickTime) to come up with a compression routine to allow what he saw. Lots of things were inspired by Trek over the years.
Alexander Siddig. A great actor & one of only a few Star Trek actors with a bigger slap-head than me 😂
One of the best characters.
Definitely one of my top ten trek characters ever 💯🖖🏾
Good books about him and Section 31
I hope Bashir, O'brien, and Ezri would guest appearances in future Star Trek shows.
All three should be regulars in Starfleet Academy.
😊 Thanks
From the start of the series, Bashir did come across as very annoying, but I think it's apt, a new-to-the-job person excited for a new adventure in life, settles in, matures, and calms down, well, apart from the holosuite adventures of course... :P
Fun fact: His full birth name is Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abdurrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi. He changed his stage name from Siddig El Fadil to Alexander Siddig after 9/11 to try to avoid the stigma of having an Arab name while working in the US.
I feel stupid because i was kinda lost on some of these. How do actors “write their characters” and why wouldn’t the directors and other actors be in the loop of that stuff. I would assume they’d all be in the loop of everyone’s characters because tv shows are more or less a group project.
Damn it I hope Dr. Bashir isn't part of Section 31, especially after everything that happened in TNG Season 8... I mean Picard Season 3.
Wait, what? Bshir's character was initially hated by audiences? I was drawn to him in the beginning. But then I had the hots for him. I thought the naive arrogance made him adorable. I still think it's a damn shame the show runner wouldn't let the Garak/Bashir storyline advance the way it should have.
I've always liked Dr. Bashir. In the beginning, we saw him as naive, and once he realized that, the audience got to watch him "grow up", so to speak.
Okay, never been first before 😮
Don't forget everyone, it's scone, sounding like "gone" not "cone"!
That episode is responsible for me loving clotted cream and jam on scones from that point on
No, it's definitely a s-cone 😜
I only PARAPHRASE Garak talking to Bashir. "Lying is a skill and it erodes if you don't practice it."
I used to like the way Jadzia said my name... 😍👍
I never warmed up to Dr. Bashir. He was a good foil for Garek and O'Brien, but I tolerated him, while enjoying Garek's and O'Brien's characters. His. Staccato. Delivery. Was. Annoying. Even worse when playing the mirror universe character. I felt the My Man Bashir episode was solely to try and make him more likeable. I've seen him in other projects and he's a good actor ... with. an. annoyingly. staccato. delivery.
Really? The doctor who's going to be making a move on every woman in sight was originally called Amoros? Looks like the word amorous to me. Splendidly ironic!
However his being genetically enhanced seemed extremely logical considering the things he had accomplished by the fifth season, too. He was up for the Carrington award at such a young age, season three I think. Which was before he cured the Quickening. It's just obvious he missed that question making him salutatorian on purpose. He almost bragged about it, and he was almost proud of the way it made it seem like he was fallible. IDK, it just seemed like it was the plan for the character the whole time by "Dr. Bashir I presume". That episode in particular brought him to life. His bad luck with women, his various spectacular accomplishments, nothing about his parents, even his first patient Kukalaka all seemed realistic. This guy was a super genius trying to pass for normal. I'm kinda surprised that it wasn't made obvious to the viewers in "Distant Voices". But there's enough subtext to suggest maybe Altovar stumbled on a hint or maybe his telepathy wasn't strong enough to unbury a secret held so deep.
In reality it worked, made sense and was even obvious in the end. Like y'know, duh, of course! Just like how an obvious reason for Garak to be exhiled had something to do with being bisexual or even gay in such a family oriented society. It's one of those things they weren't brave enough to do. But a franchise like Trek has to choose its battles. I think Bashir being an augment explains a lot.
He had to have the bear, because that was the only friend he could talk to about his genetic alterations until he was found out. Think about it. It's actually deep!
Without something more to go on, your theory about Garak & the reason for his exile is a crock of shit 💩
~~Live Long & Prosper 🖖🏻 👽 🛸 ✨️
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And now he's back in DS9's infirmary after stopping the Hur'q.
and Malcolm McDowell is his uncle
While I totally see the Garak’s coding as a gay or bisexual man, I never got that feeling from Bashir that he was anything but heterosexual… bad with women… but still a heterosexual. I would have appreciated if Garak moved on with his inappropriate crush on a young straight man and found someone his own age to fall in love with… not that love or romance was a key aspect to Garak’s multilayered character. I almost got the feeling he didn’t trust love because of his past. Thats why he had no romantic aspirations.
Season 8? What would have happened? How did Julian become Section 31?
Garashir? Basharak? Julim? Elian?
Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abdurrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi. to be precise.....
That is quite the reason to change the name! A bit of a mouthful. Looks rather royal!
The man with 10 names
Julian Bashir = max hotness! Had such a crush on him ☺️
He didn't like the idea of becoming a product of genetic engineering . Oddly 😊the writers goofed. He once said his dad was an ambassador. Then that changed when his parents showed up
What weird accent that Ferric fella has.... Scotty beam me up!
He’s Irish, not Scottish
Even if that is how they portrayed the two it does NOT make either of them gay.
Remember there are counter indications that have to be considered.
Bashir is a CLONE!?! Bashir was replaced by a FOUNDER!?! 🤣🤣. I remember watching when it originally aired. I'm still scratching my head on that one 🤣❤️🖖
Cone on, guys. Where is the "10 things you didn't know" about Ogawa?
"10 Things You Didn't Know About Dr. Selar."
Now there's a deep cut
@@river_acheronunless something unfortunate happened to the actress, I'd say Ogawa shoild be first. Patti Yasutake unfortunately recently passed due to cancer.
The scone is gone.
Julian is technically a criminal due to the fact that he is a product of the augments of genetic engineered. He was also part of Section 31.
A "criminal" you say.
Perfect fit for Section 31.
Legally...no, at least on the genetic engineering front. He's technically the victim; his parents ordered the treatments done to him, which he wasn't able to deny consent to (being a child at the time).
Was funny how Bashircwas sort of annoying. Read, they almost axed him . I'm glad that didn't happen
*Genetically modified
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As a gay man, STOP IT with saying Julian and Garak were hot for each other. So stupid. Yeah, that's why Julian was hot for Leeta and Ezri and Garak was with Ziyal. Stupid stupid stupid.
I honestly do not understand your comment. I get it, there are people who are only gay, but pretty much every single gay person i met in my life (and there are many) are more or less bi or even pansexual.
As Shawn said: Siddig wanted to play Bashir as "a little bit gay" because he is "a little bit gay" himself - whats wrong about that?
Ever hear of the term bisexual?
There’s no reason that Bashir can’t be bisexual! After all, plenty of real-life men and women are bisexual! Why not Bashir?
The Bashir and garak being more than friends thing is absolutely disgusting and I'm glad they didn't do it! It would've absolutely torched and ruined my favourite star trek show!