You guys forgot the tng episode where vulcans, humans, cardassian and Romulan all discovered they have a common ancestor and then its never mentioned again or brought up.
@@TheEmpireDabsBack There was a similar idea the Larry Niven's story 'Protector'. In that the species that gave rise to humans had a split life cycle. The semi-sentient breeding stage some of which would undergo a metamorphosis into the sterile but hyper intelligent and super strong but very warlike Protector stage. They had sent out colonist ships with breeders and a Protector to other planets. On Earth a food plant essential to the Protector stage would not grow and humans eventually evolved from the breeder stage.
Even the borg were not so stupid to mess with the Q. Also the Q could've erased or changed anything to dissuage them from ever trying or doing anything at any point in time.
also in that universe, humans have almost wiped the borg out by the time picard entered the stage. it was a universe where everyone was a khan-like augment, they likely didn't care much about peaceful exploring, only power and order, so they wouldn't mess around until the borg got some of them, esp. one as important as picard was.
She knows about Q, but Picard doesn't know everything that all Starfleet officers know. It's not like having a common employer gives you free access to everything everyone knows.
Well Q tells his son off for messing with the Q claiming that its their one rule so it's possible that they know each other and got some kind of agreement. Or maybe the Q actively try to hide their existence for the borg
The ban on genetic manipulation has been the plot point of episodes in TNG, DS9, Picard, Enterprise and SNW. Hardly something that’s “never mentioned”…
Genetic manipulation is illegal except when it’s not. There was a presumed to be federation scientific outpost in TNG that was creating telekinetic kids and it seemed legal in that episode.
Similarly, the prime directive is mentioned frequently (though obeyed in varying degrees, depending on the captain). Not really something that is "never mentioned," or even "almost never mentioned." (And enough of those "mentions" include an explanation of what it is, so anyone who has watched any decent amount of Trek knows what the "prime directive" is referring to.)
@@eliselambson7448 Specifically the episode 'the Drumhead', in which Admiral Satie enumerated the number of times Picard violated the 'most precious' order of Starfleet (9)
While there may not be an official death penalty in the Federation, the consoles on their ships are obviously constructed in a way to punish their operators for bad performance with some kind of (electrical?) energy burst, which sometimes kills them. I don't think that there's any other logical explanation for that.
The explanation is simple. As technology became completely digital, the use of physical (analog) circuit breakers or fuses was forgotten. And thinking digitally, engineers of the future have no solution for overloaded circuits.
I wouldn't say that the ban on genetic enhancement is hardly mentioned. Khan is one of the franchise's most popular villains, and the ban has been a notable plot point in DS9, Enterprise, and already on Strange New Worlds.
We also see other reasons why it's banned besides Khan. In DS9 we meet Jack, Patrick, Sarina, and Lauren, which shows us that augmentation doesn't always work as desired, or works but comes along with unwanted side-effects. Just imagine given the 20th Century's development of the tech that gave us Khan and his group of super-men, how many Jacks, Patricks, etc were created?
Bashir's parents made a good case for enhancing him (putting yourself in their shoes). The father was sentenced to two years in federation prison. Two years in prison(let's be real, it's probably a pretty nice 'white-collar' type of prison if it's the federation) to give your child a better life? I'm not sure that's a deterrent or rather just a cost worth paying.
@@RealBadGaming52 it was actually the same penal colony in NZ. That said, I understood that Bashir’s father’s sentence was heavily reduced due to him taking full responsibility and the lack of harm done by the modifications.
Bashir's life wasn't necessarily improved though, having to keep that secret all the time. But yeah it makes sense that some of the people would still evaluate it as worth it.
Making Bashir an augment who was mentally challenged as a kid made him so much more likable. He was just a young, smug, know-it-all science officer before that. I never *hated* him but it added much-needed depth to his personality and showed that he had his own issues/flaws
According to the Star Fleet Technical Manual (which I was given nearly 50 years ago), warp factor n equals n^3 times the speed of light. So, warp factors 2 thru 10 are 8, 27, 64, 125, 216, 343, 512, 729, and 1000 times the speed of light. Even at warp 10, it would still take a day or so to get from Earth to Alpha Centauri. (Assuming my math was about right. That could be completely off.) They should have made up a speed more mathematically plausible.
that is the TOS way TNG introduced a new system. using the tng scale it is 10, 39, 102, 214, 393, 656, 1024, 1516. and once you enter the 9.X range things get real bonkers 9.9= 3029 9.97= 4742 9.975=5126 9.99= 7912 and 9.999 would be 32100.
8:30 - Actually, in the TNG episode "Homeward", the Enterprise crew explicitly stood by and watched while a pre-warp civilization was destroyed by a natural disaster.
Captains regularly decided a pre-warp civ had to be destroyed bc they couldn't "break" the prime directive even when it wouldn't. See it as a fault of the character or bad memory on the writing team but they've never been consistent with its application.
yeah there wrong on that one, Its up to the captain really , for Archer it was something to ponder but not law at that time soon out of Moral obligation Archer would intervine as only vulcans upheld it and starfleet adopted it later, for Kirk it was a Suggestion, For Picard it was a higher law (almost religous) that must be upheld,and for Jane way, depended on her mood.
There was nothing The enterprise could do for the people on that planet. The entire world was going to be destroyed by a global natural disaster that the enterprise didn't have the ability to stop. There is nothing wrong with deflecting an asteroid, or using some kind of tech to stop a solar flare from killing a planet. Thats easily hidden from a pre warp civilization. MOVING them to another planet is a whole other thing.
There have been quite a few encounters between the Borg and the Q. Obviously, the first we saw was in "Q Who?". But there was also the video game "Star Trek: Borg" (Q even turns himself into a drone at one point!) and it's heavily implied in the Voyager episode "Q2" that Q's had to tell his son multiple times "Don't provoke the Borg!"
Q was the one that introduced the Federation to the Borg by shooting the Enterprise across the galaxy... as a "lesson" to Picard and Co. that there's always something bigger and badder out there.
About psychic powers: you forgot that Bones gave Kirk and Spock and injection of a chemical compound in "Plato's Stepchildren" that gave them psychic powers, and the fact that this was stuff that was already in McCoy's doctor kit, and not say some hard to get substance, means that technically, the Federation can give people psychic powers on demand!
Yes true, but the god Apollo was using a machine to amplify that ability and then the Enterprise destroyed that technology. If I remember the episode right.
@@joshjones6072 Apollo was in "Who Mourns Adonis", while Kirk and Spock got powers in "Plato's Stepchildren". The two episodes don't connect, except for Greek mythology.
There was another time Warp 10 was exceeded. I believe it was in All Good Things, they go Warp 13. That would mean that, if TOS went above 10 because they measured differently, they eventually went back to that or a similar system.
@@thewewguy8t88 That was probably an oversimplification as the ship exceeded warp 9.9999999, but read that out to the captain. I think that's why the term "transwarp" made a revival, which is basically anything faster than 9.999, but still slower than 10
My opinion is that the warp scale was just another thing that Q changed. It's easier to think this than to say "the writers have changed the warp scale again." Because all other TNG era series have kept the warp 10 barrier intact.
The Borg destroyed and assimilated Guinen's race long before Starfleet encountered them. Guinene's race had long warred with the Q. The borg would have known about Q well before assimilating Star Fleet personnel.
I thought Guinen's Father made their Sun go Nova when they lost to the Borg and were beginning to be assimilated. It has been a long time since I have seen an episode of TNG, so I might be misremembering.
@@Foolish188 I know that she said that assimilation was happening and that the Borg destroyed her homeworld and scattered her prople in the 23rd century...according to memory alpha. One must believe that every one of her race would know of Q.
The Borg probably do know of the Q, but they might just be ignoring them as there doesn't seem to be any way for them to assimilate a member of the Q continuum.
Just to be snippy about #9, firstly the idea of a united Earth government has been there since TOS (even if not overly stated). It's also a base premise for most sci-fi. And TNG episode "the high ground" establishes that a planet can't join the federation without being a single unified political entity. What I'm saying is it's a bit silly to suggest the idea that earth exists as a united planet is considered a hidden secret.
Well in some ways a United Earth was hidden in plain site by the fact that unlike other Federation member worlds which had distinctive planetary governments that even maintained embassies on Earth, just about everytime a Star Trek story took place on Earth (outside the Enterprise and Discovery series) the local authorities were always from Starfleet Headquarters or the Federation Government itself. As the capital world of the Federation,Earth seems to have given up most of its sovereignty.
@@TheLAGopher You have a good point, I wonder if Earth in the Federation is a bit like the District of Columbia in the United States. It has its own city government, but from Wikipedia: "Congress retains the right to review and overturn laws created by the council and intervene in local affairs." Maybe in the Federation, that control is tighter than DC's currently is.
Does any of this REALLY matter? it's a sci-fi TV show for entertainment. Sit back and enjoy it for what it is.... ENTERTAINMENT. Believe what you want of it and not what you want too.
@@hambone5718 you're watching a channel about the thing that isn't real that discusses it in detail, and replying to a comment about it. I mean, be the coolest guy at the nerd con if you want (not that anyone cares), it's still wasting the same amount of time on the thing that isn't real 🙄
@Michael Cloyd That's _literally_ what these debates and discussions are _about_ - fans of the franchise coming together to enjoy the entertainment value of the sci-fi show and decide which parts we choose to believe about it and which parts we don't then argue about the points we disagree on. So, congratulations, in your half-assed attempt at self-righteous judgement you've not only caught up with the rest of the class but you also just played yourself.
if they just change it from "evolution" to "weird unknown radiation" it would have been a lot of better. maybe also have the radiation destroy the internal structure of the ship so they couldn't keep using it
The fact that Paris and Janeway were returned to their original forms with off-screen ease means that going to Warp 10 was definitely a viable method of going home. All the crew would have to do is tell Starfleet how to stop or reverse the metamorphosis that was demonstrably slow enough to mitigate or at least slow enough to put the entire crew into stasis and ‘fix’ them at starfleet’s leisure.
I like the pink lizards and their babies, though. But being able to change back with treatment? I find it a bit hard to believe. Would it have been better to have had a couple of crewmen change instead and not able to change back, so they decide to leave them happily on the planet with their babies?
10:28 Warp 10 was actually achieved twice in the Voyager episode. Once when Tom Paris first did it on his own and then a second time once he had abducted Janeway after he had begun changing.
and at least once more in the alpha quadrant, but under undisclosed circumstances. the people involved in this incident were seen in a secret medical resort in star trek lower decks.
It's entirely possible that by TNG's time, the Talosians may have died off. It should also be noted that the idea of Warp 10 resulting in the ship occupying all points in the universe simultaneously is almost certain a reference to the Infinite Improbability Drive from The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, and serves as a warning against taking such references seriously, lest you turn your lead characters into overgrown salamanders.
The real reason warp past 10 is impossible Is cuz after a wile, your just calling out a number with no reference point. It makes bad writing Also acceleration can kill before lightspeed, i can only imagine there is a point where the equipment cant take any more strain and you would feel the acceleration and die
I'd like to point out that Kirk didn't defeat the 2 silver-eyed people with strong telekinetic powers. In that episode (Where no man has gone before) he points out to the woman who was less impacted that they are losing their empathy and humanity and convinces her to help him against the silvered guy. She does. In the fight her powers are less developed thus she is weaker and does not survive but Kirk doesn't beat her so much as she helps Kirk.
The genetic engineering ban is a major plot point in TOS, at least 2 movies, a major character in DS9, Enterprise, and the entire second series of Picard. I'd say it's one of the most mentioned Star Trek details.
That's the very reason Gene Roddenberry changed the Warp Scale, although one instance of a Warp Speed beyond 10 did occur early in TNG's run. We know it would also later be rescaled for alternative futures, mostly because Warp 9.999999 so on and so forth would get pretty old pretty fast.
TAS, although claimed to be canon by Gene, is pretty much disregarded from canon. Non-live action aside, it causes continuity issues like mad, and should have been the subject of scorn by channels like Major Grin, but given those channels are hypocrites, nothing much more to say.
@@edwinpoon Well Lower Decks treats it like it's canon, and Lower Decks is canon(though there are some more questionable choices involving, but whatever). Besides, Star Trek's a multiverse, so everything can be canon in spite of contradictions.
@@silversonic1 Well, I can certainly live with contradictions, if you can. So, how about you hop over to Major Grin and help reprimand them on their Star Trek hating nonsense.
Some of these have been talked about A LOT in Star Trek. Like, exceptions to The Prime Directive. There's numerous episodes of TNG where the officers debate what the proper course of action is in emergencies to pre-warp planets.
Picard's classified knowledge falling into Borg hands has been adressed in Trek. Also, thinking they don't know about Omega molecules is daft. That would be something they'd know all about if they've assimilated so many. Those of us in the Alpha and Beta can't be the only one's who know of such things.
I mean, it was even mentioned by Seven of Nine that the Borg do know the Omega molecule, and have been researching it for a long time. They probably knew about it long before Starfleet.
@@Foolish188 Oh well, guess I forgot that detail. It seems surprising to me though that, with the thousands upon thousands of species the Borg have assimilated, none of them ever had any encounters with the Omega molecule.
yes the Borg know about the Omega Molecule but they weren't aware until the assimilation of Picard what Starfleets procedures are when encountered said molecule.
@@Foolish188 No, she said they were following it near the beginning if their existence, with one species calling it tears if heaven or something, and the species number the Birg used was quite low, like only 3 digits, so it would have been long before they encountered humans. What Seven said she learned from assimilated humans, specifically Starfleet captains, was the Omega Directive and how Starfleet dealt with the Omega molecule
I'm surprised that when talking about the warp scale you didn't mention the transwarp engine used by the Excelsior. It's believed that it worked and all ships then on were built with it and older ships received it in retrofit, creating a necessity to change the scale
@@davidellis1929 No, Transwarp conduits are more akin to Hyperspace in Star Wars. They pull you into a pocket of subspace and it allows them to travel much faster. They were probably going about Warp 9.999999996 in the conduits in Voyager
The Excelsior, prototype with a new engine idea, which they "believed" to be transwarp. Failed because of their understanding of speed, physics and reality. Meaning, you cannot be so fast as to be everywhere at once. Ever watch that Voyager Episode "Threshold"? Anyway, instead of inventing a transwarp drive, they only accidently made a slightly faster, much more efficient warp drive and they had to rescale the math for it. It was progress, but in order to really have "Transwarp" one would need wormholes (conduits) in order to work, Like BS5 and Stargate Tech. Otherwise, you would splatter along the quadrant. As it is, the invention of "Inertial Dampeners" was most necessary for warp. Can you imagine, standing at Tactical on a Galaxy Class Starship, and when those Dampeners fail right when you hear, "Engage"? in the words of Sulu, "Oh, my."
"I'm only 140!" - Admiral Pavel Chekov, portrayed by Walter Koenig in a fan film. This implies to me that dying younger than 175+ must be uncommon by the TNG era.
Bread and Circuses: Spock mentioning 37 million dead in WWIII became even more chilling since he ended with, "Shall I go on?" Edit: Respect for recalling that the Changeling briefly took the ship to Warp 11+ before Kirk told it to reverse its "efficiency" upgrades.
Ww3 changed 3 times in TOS and then further in TNG. Initially it was the Eugenics War in the 1990s. Spock's very words. Then it was vaguely in the 21st century after the ubermen had been killed or escaped to space. Then the deaths changed and changed again through the 90s series and movies. There were 3 Billion humans in 1966, doubled before 2000, will be near 9 billion by end of this decade.... So as this franchise ages the megadeath count has to keep going up.
@@STho205 the current “hand wave” for the cause of the Eugenics war and World War 3, and the dates associated with them are “unknown due to incomplete records from the time period.”
@@joermnyc TOS eps and TNG eps and 1st Contact all had different writers. To get better consistency on small toss away l lines you have to use the Babylon 5 method. One writer produces 90% of the scripts. Also helps to not suppose things just 20 years from your broadcast. Star Trek would have been far better off by describing those events as Stardate xxx. We don't describe Julius Ceasar as in the 105th year of Romulus or Charlemagne as the 400th year of the vulgate. Originally Star Trek was supposed to be anywhere from 2099 to 3099 and they were very vague....as S1 progressed each writer hinted at a time relative to us. By S2 Coon and Fontana had settled on 300 years beyond broadcast...as Bonanza was supposed to be 100 years before broadcast.
The TOS scale allowed for warp to go pretty high (which, frankly, is the more useful scale. The decimal points in the recalculated system get excessively insane). Regardless... the NCC-1701's internal frame wasn't up to the task of withstanding higher warp scales. So Nomad's efficiency upgrade was going to destroy the ship just by going too fast. I think, canonically, the TOS Enterprise started to get shaky at about warp 8 (which it could maintain for a few hours without extreme danger), warp 9 for short bursts, and warp 10+ for unknown amounts of time (but in the zone of minutes). Engine-wise, warp 9 was about as fast as she could go without alien interference.
I love Trek & this channel. BTW I prefer the old warp speeds where warp 1 was the speed of light x 1 cubed, warp 2 was the speed of light x 2 cubed etc. As Ellie mentioned each increase in warp meant a huge velocity change. However with the transwarp experiment and other advances warp engines became so fast they decided to modify warp scale. Speed of plot right?
In All Good Things, Riker gives the command to return to Federation space at Warp 13. And in Lower Decks, human ESP and telekinesis was used, like Gary Mitchell.
Does any of this REALLY matter? it's a sci-fi TV show for entertainment. Sit back and enjoy it for what it is.... ENTERTAINMENT. Believe what you want of it and not what you want too.
@@hambone5718 discussing the finer details, and their implications, is part of our enjoyment of the show. Also, star trek has a long history of pushing political and social boundaries. So yes, this does really matter.
The “Tom Paris into a lizard” thing… “Lower Decks” expanded a little on it and called it “Anthony”. In other words, “Lower Decks” could potentially answer some of these questions.
There are all sorts of things that appeared in The Animated Series that are forgotten about, such as a version of the holodeck in Kirk and Spock's time, and the ability of the transporter to restore de-aged versions of the crew to their correct ages.
I think, like the genetic argumentation ban, there are probably protocols against the use of transporter technology to rewrite human cells or replicating entire people. Since the replicators are either an outgrowth transporter technology or visa versa, then there is likely an emergency medical exception to the augmentation rule, but as we have seen it can only be used to return the subject to their original state.
Human Lifespans during TOS, TNG, DS9, & Voyager are pretty much the same as it was in the 80s, 90s, & even today. The few cases of incredibly old humans like Doctor McCoy living well into the 2360s is due to unique things done to them. In McCoy's case he was made immune to all disease and viruses by a higher lifeform in a TOS episode.
Wasn't Doctor McCoy's condition because he spent a lot of time between FTWIHAIHTTS and TMP researching Fabrini medicine, that which cured him of his xenopolysethæmia. Might have given rise to his grow-a-new-kidney pills as well.
I’m not sure, but wasn’t there an admiral that was over 100 years old in TNG’s first season? Not only that, wasn’t Captain Archer over 100 years old when he saw the NCC-1701 Enterprise launch? (According to his page in the captain’s quarters of the Defiant, he watched the Enterprise’s first flight and died a day later)
@@L1z43vr But there are quite a lot of people that lives beyond 100 today, the main difference might be how much age affects them. Even today some experiment with ways to keep your vitality at higher age, even if that might have side effects. My guess is that they likely improved that to a level where its safe to use meaning less people in nursery homes. But on the other hand, the population is still getting older by the generation so a life expectancy of over 100 a few centuries in the future does not sound very implausable :)
Interestingly - there's very little pushback against technological augmentation. I'd like to hear more Starfleet views on AI and cyber augmentation. If people that are stronger are banned? then where do Starfleet stand on people that can fly at mach 2? And why do androids get rights before holograms? they both have binary minds - their body is irrelevant
@@JohnnyWednesday Androids received rights before Holograms because theoretically there were no "Holograms" seeking to have their rights protected. Data received rights only because they were fought for and precedent was set in law. And Even with the Doctor, he wasn't granted Full rights of being sentient until the crew arrived home (Future Janeway's scenes). The scenes with the Doctor fighting for rights was limited in scope to "Control of his own artistic work" I assume part of that had to do with the fact that all Holograms outside of the Doctor had the limited scope of not being autonomous. The Doctor had the Mobile Emitter and had developed subroutines to allow himself to become "alive".
With the microscopic “dog tags” part, I always thought the uniform itself had a manufacturers mark… something to identify what ship the uniform was made… far too small a number to identify a crewman…
And with how often combadges are swapped or plunked onto other people for transporting, it seems unlikely that the combadge would be the dog tags of the future.
@@haweater1555 TNG shows that each officer's quarters had a laundry processor (at least Worf's did because he scolded Alexander for not putting his dirty clothes into the processor). The IDs wouldn't need to be readable by a person to be able to be sorted. A computer reader could find the ID number and sort the item accordingly.
I'm not sure what purpose dog tags would serve in Starfleet. Devices can be removed, no matter where they are, even DNA can be altered. I would think by that point, Starfleet would go by biometrics down to the DNA level, and just hope for the best.
The genetic engineering ban hits a snag when you rewatch "Unnatural Selection" where a Federation ship is struck by rapid aging after visiting a Federation genetic research facility which created children who could withstand diseases.
I mean, the real world explanation is simply that the ban hadn't been thought of as part of the canon yet. Even though Khan and the eugenics war were introduced in TAS, I don't think that they ever mentioned a taboo against genetic engineering until DS9.
9:48 lol I love this scene, the way Shatner is holding the gun like he's never held a gun before, the way he rolls on the ground instead of just turning a little bit to the right. Oh man it's terrible
I forgot which episode it was. In the original series there is a scene where they use phasers to stun an entire city block from orbit. I'm sure that would never be useful again
Regarding the Prime Directive! In the Enterprise episode ‘Dear Doctor’ Archer had to make some really difficult decisions on what to allow Phlox to do to assist the alien civilization to deal with a plague! It’s an outstanding episode! This was perhaps the event that prompted Star Fleet to implement the Prime Directive in the first place…
What ever happened to the Horta? Did they join the Federation willingly? Or did the All Mother "encourage" the generation of Horta born at the end of Devil in the Dark to get along with the mining colony out of fear?
@@heathertomlinson1961 Star Trek TNG - Dyson Sphere (Pocket Books #50) The USS Darwin is crewed entirely by Horta. It has some trouble and the Enterprise comes to help.
The microchip in the uniform could be for laundry reasons rather than a dog tag. A closer analogue for collectors of old TV and movies would probably be opera or ballet, a different form of story telling, rather than 'vinyl' which is a storage method.
The Warp Scale was certainly changed from TOS era to the TNG era making Warp 10 definitively the fastest anyone could travel. Although no one reached the Warp 10 barrier, except Tom Paris, then how in the TNG finale All Good Things... are ships traveling faster up to Warp 13? In the writer's room it sounded good so they kept it, fair enough. In universe maybe they rearranged the scale again or chalk it up to alternate future, but there's no explanation in canon.
It's possible that with new FTL technologies and/or schematics that Voyager brought back with them such as quantum slipstream, Borg transwarp gates, that giant subspace slingshot, etc that Starfleet may have had to readjust the warp scale to incorporate them into it. Yes, I know those episodes of Voyager didn't exist when All Good Things waa being written, but it is possible Voyager's writers put some of those plot points in to quietly give them the tools to retcon that Warp 13 gaffe. There's also the very distinct possibility that nothing that happened in All Good Things was even real and all of it was a fabrication of Q. The Warp 13 error could have been a mistake Q made based on his misunderstanding of how warp drive works.
#9- Enterprise does mention “United Earth” many times, since they are “Earth Starfleet”. In beta cannon even the Enterprise, after the refit that adds a new warp drive, it’s rechristened the SS-01 Enterprise since the refit is so extensive they even re-class the ship into “Columbia Class.” The U isn’t added until the Federation is formed.
Which Beta canon? In the Rise of the Federation relaunch series, the Endeavour is reclassed as Columbia class with a new secondary hull, but NX-01 is mothballed in an orbital museum.
@@Feroce They must hate The Expanse, then. The UN is one of the major military powers in the solar system, alongside the Martian Congressional Republic and the Outer Planets Alliance.
As I recall from the early years, Warp Speed was a cube factor. Warp 1 was 1 cubed or 1 times the speed of light. Warp 2 was 2 cubed or 8 times speed of light. Warp 3 was 3 cubed or 27 times speed of light... so Warp 10 was 1000 times the speed of light. Which meant... it took you a year to travel 1000 light years. Which may seem a lot, but really that is generally slow if you want sizeable sections of the galactic disk to be within a months travel or less. Largely distances got ignored often and speed became VERY relative, to the point you were traveling not at Warp Speed, but Plot Point speeds. "How long will it take us to get there? How long do we need it to take to make the plot work? Ummm, 3 days... OK then, it will take us 3 days to get there."
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Then it could be changed from X^3 to X^number and problem solved.
This was critical to the whole premise of Voyager. "It'll take us 70+ years to get home at maximum sustainable warp." But then in the first of the reboot movies they travel from Qo'nos to Earth in about 30 seconds. At that speed it would take Voyager a day to get home from the other side of the galaxy - and travel to other galaxies would take no more than weeks. Are we to believe that the ships got significantly slower?
@@WombatMan64 The maximum warp discrepancies are best highlighted by comparing the plot of the entire Voyager series to that of ST5 The Final Frontier. Kirk and company take a few hours to get from the Alpha quadrant to the centre of the galaxy where the "Great Barrier" is located. If the galaxy is 100,000 light years in diameter we can presume it's approximately 50,000 light years to the centre. They start their journey from Nimbus 3, which is "located in the neutral zone" so from that point it is a distance of about 20,000 to 30,000 light years to the centre. And yet it will take Voyager 75 years to travel 70,000 light years to get to the Alpha quadrant.
Retrieving someone from a transporter buffer is never the person who was disintigrated, but merely a 3D printed copy of their most recent save. And I love how the narrator mentions that countries like France and Canada are 'allowed' to keep their countries, like parents allowing children to decorate their room so long as they obey.
Warp speed travel causing damage to the fabric of space and subspace. This is the focal point of plot in TNG episode Force of Nature. The Hekaran scientists attempt to present findings to this effect. They effectively get promises to have the matter debated and investigated. Not the outcome they expected or sought - so one of them to make a point causes intentional damage via warp travel at the cost of her own life too. Later on it’s conveyed there is more of this occurring elsewhere. More rifts would emerge and if it something wasn’t done then the issue would begin to affect every warp capable species. It’s established that a warp speed limit would be set and that there were to be other restrictions. More or less the subject comes up twice more in TNG- the speed limit was ignored in the episode Pegasus. It never really comes up again after TNG.
it's a shame - you could have based a super interesting war on such a premise - with great swathes of subspace being destroyed. It would have made more a 'corridor' akin to the Star Wars universe - could have been lots of fun. Want the Romulans? gotta go through the Klingons ;)
I think Voyager's movable engines were supposed to be an answer to this problem; they were designed so that the ship could ignore the speed limit. Presumably later engineering breakthrus could allow the speed limit to be retired.
@@ScooterBond1970 Bingo! "Varibale Warp Field Geometry" Later starships, like the Soveriegn class had this functionality without the need for movable pylons.
The USS Pasteur in the last episode of TNG travels away from Klingon space at warp 13, at least that is what Captain Crusher orders. And also the Traveler amd Caretaker manage to push ships past warp 10, not forgetting Borg transwarp network
It seems in future times they recalibrated that logarithmic warp scale again and didn't assign warp 10 to infinity. THe 9.9959 speeds were starting to get awkward. :)
Also, the doctor did find a cure for the genetic mutations after entering Warp 10, so maybe starfleet has worked out something to prevent humans from mutating once they go faster than warp 10. But yeah, that's probably not the case, since something faster than infinite velocity isn't really possible lol
Also in that episode Dr.Picard-Crusher, loses her entire medical ship, though not its crew, and reacts as if she just lost a little shuttle. Losing a medical ship under those circumstances would have mean the end of her SF career after a long legal battle and dishonorable discharge.
The ID wasn't on Hogan's "uniform", per se, it was specifically on his rank insignia bar. One of the two scientists (Gegen, I think) mentions that in the episode, making it both rank insignia and dog tags rolled into one.
"Exceptions to the Prime Directive" is something that is almost never mentioned?? The Prime Directive has been bent or broken in TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY lore anywhere from at least 13 times (TrekCulture actually has a video about it) and up to at least 33 times - not including movies - based on what Reddit fans have discovered by combing through Memory Alpha alone. Heck it's practically a right of passage for Star Fleet Officers. :D
The ESP thing is a fascinating historical artifact. I think from roughly 1965-1975 the idea that ESP or other Psi powers were possible hit it's peak, and there were serious people throwing serious money at this idea. It didn't seem impossible that we'd unlock these mysteries by the 23rd century. But the theories didn't survive testing, so IRL now it's just the province of fringe scientists and cranks.
Actually research is still ongoing, and it's standing up to testing, so much so that Dawkins has to keep raising the bar to avoid having to pay out his promised prize for whoever can prove telepathy, but the researchers keep blandly agreeing and eventually hitting the higher marks. One interesting finding is that telepathy and other psi abilities come through most clearly in dreams, which could give a clue as to why it's so hard to harness. So now there's research in the neurology of REM sleep and why that makes a difference.
From the thumbnail I thought you were going to talk about the United Federation of Planets' symbol being that of Earth. Hardly inclusive of all the other "planets" that are a part of the Federation.
Threshold is definitely mentioned in some corners of the fandom. On Tumblr, Threshold Day is also known as the day when Voyager fans overtake DS9 fans in their enthusiasm for posting about lizard sex.
I assume that as time went on, they found it necessary to redo the warp scale. Calling for warp 9.9987 or something like that, which the newer ships could do easily, would be kind of ridiculous sounding. Calling for warp 13 or whatever just makes it easier and safer - plus quicker in an emergency. Thus the Enterprise D that could go at Warp 13 - and Riker had stated he had her pulled of mothballs and recommised to be his flagship. So ships of that era would have been even faster.
One thought about the extreme age of Leonard McCoy (and maybe Pavel Chekov who appears in a fan series on RUclips post Voyager) is the exposure to the Spores on Omicron Ceti III. After their effects are cancelled by the extreme emotions generated by Kirk and Spock and their communications gadget, everyone is still in perfect health. so theoretically this could have regenerated the crew and basically added 25-40 years (depending upon the age of the crew) to their lifespans.
I always held that Warp One was the speed of light, and Warp Two the cube-speed (3X) lightspeed, -and so on. That's about the only way (lightspeed-cubed for each 'warp #') would make reaching new star systems feasible. Interesting that the means of communication is of a hyper-transwarp/subspace communication, else it would be quicker to just fly to the place they wish to communicate to than to 'send a subspace message'
@@quantisedspace7047 I don't quite follow but, -okay. Somehow the incremental speed of every higher Warp Factor must be exponential. Even traveling '10X the speed of light' actual would take years to reach each new star system. Travelling something akin to the speed of subspace communication is what would be required and do so and without time dilation. Anyway, love Star Trek despite not understanding many of the implied 'hows' involved. Thanks for the response. 🙂
Picard saying "The Federation has no death penalty" is circumspect- he also said that "Starfleet isn't a military" when it plainly is. Let's be real- the first season of TNG is kinda spotty when it comes to canon.
Yes, we have to remember that whatever a character says is the opinion of that character said from their point of view with their own desired outcomes. A character statement is not a dictum of fact.
@@PeterSmith-pf1cf Given that Starfleet is a government organization within the Federation, nope, they cannot both be true. (It'd be like saying the US doesn't have a death penalty, but the US Army/Military does- it doesn't track.)
@@Sephiroth144 Actually...in real life it works just as you describe it not to be. Even in countries with no death penalty, if there is a war situation and a soldier tries to mutiny he can be legally executed by his superiors basically without a trial, and the decision would stand up in a court of law. So in a sense not only is it possible...its the case in every country I can think of.
Lower Decks "Much Ado About Boimier" had a Warp 10 Salamander. That means Warp 10 has been broken 3 times Tom Paris, Paris & Janeway and random Star Fleet Officer
Or it’s possible that someone traveled really far into the Delta Quadrant, maybe by a wormhole, and found the salamander, scanned it, found it had human DNA, brought it back with them. That salamander could have just been Paris/Janeway’s descendant
Something to mention about 8:55 - we encounter human telepaths on a number of occasions in the original series, and the most notable one was Miranda Jones, a human telepath. Her telepathy may be connected to the fact she lost her sight. I always thought the idea of the Medusans - aliens that were kind and peaceful but insanely hideous - fascinating and wish they would return in some other context. Oh, and there is another occasion human telepaths exist: the super-children developed by Dr. Kingsley in TNG's "Up the Long Ladder"
What do you mean, it's almost never mentioned? There were whole episodes and maybe even movies (Wrath of Khan) about genetic engineering and the consequences. You can hardly call that "never mentioned". Movies and TV mostly got replaced by holo novels, like interactive movies. Not just a random holo world, but with a fixed story line.
"Details that are never mentioned" and "The Prime Directive"? I think this video should have been titled "10 things that get brought up constantly but are always brushed aside"
Wasn’t a big fan of Voyager but damn that episode “Distant Orgins” was just perfect I mean I wish we saw more of the Voth.I did read a Trek book Infinity Prism from the Myriad Universe collection and there was a cool story about the Voth in delta quadrant who stumble onto the Jemhadar that disappeared in the wormhole if I remember correctly.
Many of the above were retocned later by future shows. The whole excuse for using a different scale for warp speeds is a big one after what Voyager decided to do with it's wonky episode. There's a few times in TNG where, be it Q or the Traveler send the ship out at some crazy speed that's obviously more than Warp 10 but, oh well.
While they may travel faster than Warp 10, are they travelling through Warp? Warp isn't just a measure of speed, it's a specific mode of travel. With the traveler, there's still a conflict, since I remember he was specifically doing something with the warp drive, but who knows. It still wasn't "conventional" by any means.
@@LasherTimora That's, at best, a convenient way to side step things. But in the end, regardless of the method, it's down to you traveling faster than light. And even though warp is bending space a specific way around you you're still physically moving through it compared to using something like a wormhole. In the end it really does come down to your relative speed.
@@GPsarakis Since we're being super technical, warp is more accurately described in Futurama... it doesn't move the ship, the engines move the universe around the ship. (I mean... kinda. Warp essentially creates a gravity bubble.) What I find fascinating about it is that warp is clearly possible in the real world (if we can power it, that is). The evidence is in black holes. Black holes can trap light, which means that gravity can overcome the speed of light. That means FTL is possible... if gravity can be harnessed and deployed.
The genetic manipulation ban has been a recurring plot point on episodes of DS9, Enterprise, and Strange New Worlds. Earth's planetary government was a major aspect of Enterprise, and a big part of Season 3 of Discovery. It's been repeatedly mentioned that the Borg learned everything Picard knew. These things definitely get mentioned.
I am curious about how often Star Trek references real-world culture such as the works of Shakespeare and Conan Doyle. Does any other sci-fi franchise do that as extensively as Star Trek and would it be possible to make a list of your favorite episodes that contain real-world references?
Dr Who not only references many historical figures but they go and meet them in person frequently. I'm sure the Doctor has met both Shakespeare and Doyle.
The opening of Into Darkness absolutely was NOT an exception. In fact it's one of the few instances where the Prime Directive was violated and a punishment was enforced. Kirk was removed from command of the Enterprise and demoted completely back to cadet, which is just one step shy of being kicked out of Starfleet entirely. The Directive is normally fairly loosely enforced, and commanding officers are given a lot of leeway as to it's application in any given situation.
Not completely inaccurate. It stems from Voyager as since the borg could not assimilate species 8472 they could not learn how their tech worked. This worked to 8472's advantage as since the borg could not figure out how bio ships could operate outside of their intended environment.
That's fair - although we've never been given much information on invention or creativity within the collective - yes they take technology from other species but they also adapt that technology and combine it in unique ways. So there must be aspect of creative thought - either that or the Borg have a shipyard filled with a lot of weird prototypes!
If it's said on a trek show it becomes Trek fact until erased by the next contradictory fact and it's been said they don't learn. So until it's said that they do learn, it's correct to say they don't. Learn and adaprt aren't always the same thing. Rattlesnakes haven't learned their rattles get them found and caught... they've simply adapted... and less and less rattle now a days.
@@dhotnessmcawesome9747 - it's easy to highlight the words 'learn' and 'adapt' and say they're totally different things - but we're talking complex mental activities that in reality? are very blurred in definition. Adapting is a form of learning - if they can adapt their shields to protect against a blast? they can 'adapt' their engines to be faster, or 'adapt' their maths to be more capable. Two separate words do little justice to complexity I can't define very well.
@@dhotnessmcawesome9747 - But I do get what you mean. The Borg are portrayed as not having creativity like Humans in their encounters. I just think that adapting the technology of other species given the many ways it could be done - requires a creative choice. A cube might be simplistic - but it's a choice
"Threshold" could have been a terrific episode if it hadn't gone off the rails midway through. Imagine touching the face of god...and then being slammed back into your tiny little reality again. Imagine Tom Paris desperate to repeat the experience, but being told no. To stop him Janeway destroys the modified shuttle (you know she would). So he takes over engineering and tries to get Voyager up to warp 10. Then we get one of Star Trek's patented 'countdown to disaster' scenes as the computer tells everybody that the ship's about to come apart at the seams! It could have been a great character study; a story about achieving greatness and what comes after. Instead, we got iguana babies. [deep sigh]
There is a financial system with in the Federation as the Federation credit as mentioned in the original series. By Picard's time most businesses even in the Federation use Latinum as a form of currency.
@@zomfragger No , You are confusing Frengi system with earth's system , actually Star Trek has created the Frengi as an opposite system to the United Fed , in DS9 there is clear indications made by Dr Beshir to Quark and Mog that Federation Officers do not receive wages / money .
I have to disagree with the no-money needed and unlimited everything at least in TOS. In Mudd's Women, some of the plot revolves around miners working in very harsh conditions with the stated goal of getting rich and being able to buy the "good life." So in TOS, you still needed a way to get money.
@@Chuck_Hooks , The only case when and wherein United Federation citizens needed money is when they would have to deal with the foreign ( Non-Federation -) people , in All Star Trek series at least up to Voyager one cannot see any earth federation businessman , however there must have been a sort of personal credit system to use for entertainment and leisure . whereas Frengis with their Greed-oriented capitalist system have always been ridiculed and looked down upon by United federation officers .
Then how does Quark owe Riker for poker winnings....sounds like Riker is doing some black market communism. Keeping his money in secret foreign bank accounts. BTW how do you have Rich Lithium Miners from United Earth? How do Starfleet personnel on shore leave or base on DS9 gamble at Quarks or rent holosuites or whores????
Wow... usually love these lists but I feel like you guys might be reaching on #10. Speed Seed, Star Trek 2, the Enterprise episodes about Soong, a major plotline of Season 2 of Picard, and a full episode of DS9 plus several references later hardly qualifies as "almost never mentioned" EDIT: Oh sorry, and an episode of Strange New Worlds. Forgot I just saw that as well.
"the Borg can never invent or learn" - That isn't true at all, the Borg adapt constantly, yes they assimilate others biological and technological distinctive traits but I don't think its true to say they can't learn or invent for themselves
I literally came to the comments to say this as well. Adapting is what the Borg are all about. We see them do this in real time a bunch of times in TNG. Where would anyone ever get the idea they don't learn or invent?
Never mentioned, except for the whole movie Wrath of Khan, and it's episode from TOS. Then Bashir's story arc which referenced it for the last two or three seasons. And lastly, the two-three episode arcs in Enterprise with Augments and Flox curing the Klingons...don't forget about the whole temporal cold War as well.
My take on Dr. McCoy isn't about the medical tech at the time. It's more that he was the "Keeper of the Katra." for Spock. His, "Not having died" as a side effect. It has the benefit of having a secondary source helping to back it up, in the reference of Scotty having accidentally lost Admira Archer's prized beagle in a transporter accident in the Kelvin universe. If that Archer is Johnathan Archer from Enterprise, that would make him another very long lived human. Who also happened to be the Keeper of the Katra at one point in his life.
Chapter 8: The multiplicity of the ID codes is probably down to the nature of the weapons being used. As long as a single fragment remains someone can be identified.
My guess is that the entire psi thing that makes godlings of people with high psychic potential had a few major effects in star fleet. Firstly, that knowledge would be highly restricted. Second, people with sufficient psi would be catalogued. Third, anyone with sufficient ability that passing the galactic border would affect them would not be allowed on vessels that would potentially cross said barrier -- they wouldn't be told, just transfers would never happen that way. Of course then there is section 31, which must have tried to do this a few times and found out that it wasn't viable due to said beings being uncontrollable. Otherwise they'd have godlings on staff.
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You guys forgot the tng episode where vulcans, humans, cardassian and Romulan all discovered they have a common ancestor and then its never mentioned again or brought up.
One that looks a lot like the founders...
I always thought it was such a cool concept. It explains why most of the galaxy has bipedal near-human species throughout it
@@TheEmpireDabsBack There was a similar idea the Larry Niven's story 'Protector'. In that the species that gave rise to humans had a split life cycle. The semi-sentient breeding stage some of which would undergo a metamorphosis into the sterile but hyper intelligent and super strong but very warlike Protector stage.
They had sent out colonist ships with breeders and a Protector to other planets. On Earth a food plant essential to the Protector stage would not grow and humans eventually evolved from the breeder stage.
@@MysteriousMose That hologram of the "common ancestor" is even played by the same actor who would go on to play the Female Changeling in DS9.
I mean it certainly explains why interspecies children like Alexander or Dukats half Bajoran daughter aren't deformed or infertile.
In the Original Series they used Imperial Warp. In the Next Generation and after they used Metric Warp.
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😆 brilliant!
This needs to be Trek nerd standard - it's perfect :)
Chief Engineer Grandpa Simpson: “My ship gets 40 space rods to the space hogshead, and that’s the way I likes it!”
Got it right!
It seems unlikely that the Borg learned about the Q from Picard. Didn't they assimilate Guinan's people much earlier?
Yep, and from Picard season 2 they clearly spell out that El-Aurians knew about the Q even in the 21st century.
Even the borg were not so stupid to mess with the Q. Also the Q could've erased or changed anything to dissuage them from ever trying or doing anything at any point in time.
also in that universe, humans have almost wiped the borg out by the time picard entered the stage. it was a universe where everyone was a khan-like augment, they likely didn't care much about peaceful exploring, only power and order, so they wouldn't mess around until the borg got some of them, esp. one as important as picard was.
She knows about Q, but Picard doesn't know everything that all Starfleet officers know. It's not like having a common employer gives you free access to everything everyone knows.
Well Q tells his son off for messing with the Q claiming that its their one rule so it's possible that they know each other and got some kind of agreement. Or maybe the Q actively try to hide their existence for the borg
The ban on genetic manipulation has been the plot point of episodes in TNG, DS9, Picard, Enterprise and SNW. Hardly something that’s “never mentioned”…
Genetic manipulation is illegal except when it’s not. There was a presumed to be federation scientific outpost in TNG that was creating telekinetic kids and it seemed legal in that episode.
Similarly, the prime directive is mentioned frequently (though obeyed in varying degrees, depending on the captain). Not really something that is "never mentioned," or even "almost never mentioned." (And enough of those "mentions" include an explanation of what it is, so anyone who has watched any decent amount of Trek knows what the "prime directive" is referring to.)
And it's more a ban on augmentation. Manipulation is just fine as long as you're not making superhumans.
@@eliselambson7448 Specifically the episode 'the Drumhead', in which Admiral Satie enumerated the number of times Picard violated the 'most precious' order of Starfleet (9)
@@russellharrell2747 Yes, but they COULDN'T join Starfleet!
While there may not be an official death penalty in the Federation, the consoles on their ships are obviously constructed in a way to punish their operators for bad performance with some kind of (electrical?) energy burst, which sometimes kills them. I don't think that there's any other logical explanation for that.
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Each control panel has its own built-in Plot Device Field.
Not to mention being assigned a red shirt uniform...
The explanation is simple. As technology became completely digital, the use of physical (analog) circuit breakers or fuses was forgotten. And thinking digitally, engineers of the future have no solution for overloaded circuits.
@@gptiede Okay, what about Wi-Fi or something equivalent? No need to have a direct connection from the consoles to any high-energy circuits anyway.
I wouldn't say that the ban on genetic enhancement is hardly mentioned. Khan is one of the franchise's most popular villains, and the ban has been a notable plot point in DS9, Enterprise, and already on Strange New Worlds.
These videos are always chock full of logical errors.
We know it happened, but when is debatable. 🤔
We also see other reasons why it's banned besides Khan. In DS9 we meet Jack, Patrick, Sarina, and Lauren, which shows us that augmentation doesn't always work as desired, or works but comes along with unwanted side-effects.
Just imagine given the 20th Century's development of the tech that gave us Khan and his group of super-men, how many Jacks, Patricks, etc were created?
Bashir's parents made a good case for enhancing him (putting yourself in their shoes). The father was sentenced to two years in federation prison. Two years in prison(let's be real, it's probably a pretty nice 'white-collar' type of prison if it's the federation) to give your child a better life? I'm not sure that's a deterrent or rather just a cost worth paying.
if the "prison" was anything like Tom Paris’s tropical island paradise penal colony it was a Holiday lol
@@RealBadGaming52 it was actually the same penal colony in NZ. That said, I understood that Bashir’s father’s sentence was heavily reduced due to him taking full responsibility and the lack of harm done by the modifications.
@@shearnotspear oh okay lol , thanks I’d forgotten.
Bashir's life wasn't necessarily improved though, having to keep that secret all the time. But yeah it makes sense that some of the people would still evaluate it as worth it.
Making Bashir an augment who was mentally challenged as a kid made him so much more likable. He was just a young, smug, know-it-all science officer before that. I never *hated* him but it added much-needed depth to his personality and showed that he had his own issues/flaws
According to the Star Fleet Technical Manual (which I was given nearly 50 years ago), warp factor n equals n^3 times the speed of light. So, warp factors 2 thru 10 are 8, 27, 64, 125, 216, 343, 512, 729, and 1000 times the speed of light. Even at warp 10, it would still take a day or so to get from Earth to Alpha Centauri. (Assuming my math was about right. That could be completely off.) They should have made up a speed more mathematically plausible.
This is huge :O are we going to call it "warp-gate"?
that is the TOS way TNG introduced a new system. using the tng scale it is 10, 39, 102, 214, 393, 656, 1024, 1516. and once you enter the 9.X range things get real bonkers 9.9= 3029 9.97= 4742 9.975=5126 9.99= 7912 and 9.999 would be 32100.
@@ADMNtek Thanks for the update. At least those speeds make crossing vast distances more plausible, while still allowing weeks for some journeys.
They did. It's referred to as "plot". _Everything_ else is just various attempts at explaining "plot".
@@JohnnyWednesday Calling it a stargate might be more apt ;)
8:30 - Actually, in the TNG episode "Homeward", the Enterprise crew explicitly stood by and watched while a pre-warp civilization was destroyed by a natural disaster.
Was that the one with Worf’s brother? Who was mentioned ONLY in that episode?
Captains regularly decided a pre-warp civ had to be destroyed bc they couldn't "break" the prime directive even when it wouldn't.
See it as a fault of the character or bad memory on the writing team but they've never been consistent with its application.
yeah there wrong on that one, Its up to the captain really , for Archer it was something to ponder but not law at that time soon out of Moral obligation Archer would intervine as only vulcans upheld it and starfleet adopted it later, for Kirk it was a Suggestion, For Picard it was a higher law (almost religous) that must be upheld,and for Jane way, depended on her mood.
@@RealBadGaming52 Picard it was a guideline, something that you need a reason to violate.
There was nothing The enterprise could do for the people on that planet. The entire world was going to be destroyed by a global natural disaster that the enterprise didn't have the ability to stop. There is nothing wrong with deflecting an asteroid, or using some kind of tech to stop a solar flare from killing a planet. Thats easily hidden from a pre warp civilization. MOVING them to another planet is a whole other thing.
There have been quite a few encounters between the Borg and the Q. Obviously, the first we saw was in "Q Who?". But there was also the video game "Star Trek: Borg" (Q even turns himself into a drone at one point!) and it's heavily implied in the Voyager episode "Q2" that Q's had to tell his son multiple times "Don't provoke the Borg!"
Q should have said Don't play with the Borg or Don't tease the Borg.
Q was the one that introduced the Federation to the Borg by shooting the Enterprise across the galaxy... as a "lesson" to Picard and Co. that there's always something bigger and badder out there.
The elorians knew of the q and were assimilated a century before tng
@@Foolish188 Do not taunt Happy Fun Borg.
About psychic powers: you forgot that Bones gave Kirk and Spock and injection of a chemical compound in "Plato's Stepchildren" that gave them psychic powers, and the fact that this was stuff that was already in McCoy's doctor kit, and not say some hard to get substance, means that technically, the Federation can give people psychic powers on demand!
there is a weird plot point I wonder if any writer will stumble on.
Yes true, but the god Apollo was using a machine to amplify that ability and then the Enterprise destroyed that technology. If I remember the episode right.
@@joshjones6072 Apollo was in "Who Mourns Adonis", while Kirk and Spock got powers in "Plato's Stepchildren". The two episodes don't connect, except for Greek mythology.
Perhaps using the substance directly is dangerous to human health so must be used as a composite?
There was another time Warp 10 was exceeded. I believe it was in All Good Things, they go Warp 13. That would mean that, if TOS went above 10 because they measured differently, they eventually went back to that or a similar system.
not to mention in where no one has gone before jrodi says they are passing warp 10.(to be fair it was because of the traveler)
@@thewewguy8t88 That was probably an oversimplification as the ship exceeded warp 9.9999999, but read that out to the captain.
I think that's why the term "transwarp" made a revival, which is basically anything faster than 9.999, but still slower than 10
Presumably at that point they'd gotten sick of saying "warp 9.99999999999999999975", so recalibrated again
@@Avatar2312 EVEN warp drive is trans now!
My opinion is that the warp scale was just another thing that Q changed. It's easier to think this than to say "the writers have changed the warp scale again." Because all other TNG era series have kept the warp 10 barrier intact.
The Borg destroyed and assimilated Guinen's race long before Starfleet encountered them. Guinene's race had long warred with the Q. The borg would have known about Q well before assimilating Star Fleet personnel.
Indeed. That was a big opsie for this channel
I thought Guinen's Father made their Sun go Nova when they lost to the Borg and were beginning to be assimilated. It has been a long time since I have seen an episode of TNG, so I might be misremembering.
@@Foolish188 I know that she said that assimilation was happening and that the Borg destroyed her homeworld and scattered her prople in the 23rd century...according to memory alpha. One must believe that every one of her race would know of Q.
The Borg probably do know of the Q, but they might just be ignoring them as there doesn't seem to be any way for them to assimilate a member of the Q continuum.
Plus, I’m pretty sure the Borg can invent and learn, they just cheat by assimilating.
Just to be snippy about #9, firstly the idea of a united Earth government has been there since TOS (even if not overly stated). It's also a base premise for most sci-fi. And TNG episode "the high ground" establishes that a planet can't join the federation without being a single unified political entity.
What I'm saying is it's a bit silly to suggest the idea that earth exists as a united planet is considered a hidden secret.
Well in some ways a United Earth was hidden in plain site by the fact that unlike other Federation member worlds which had distinctive planetary
governments that even maintained embassies on Earth, just about everytime a Star Trek story took place on Earth (outside the Enterprise and Discovery series) the local authorities were always from Starfleet Headquarters or the Federation Government itself. As the capital world of the Federation,Earth seems to have given up most of its sovereignty.
@@TheLAGopher You have a good point, I wonder if Earth in the Federation is a bit like the District of Columbia in the United States. It has its own city government, but from Wikipedia: "Congress retains the right to review and overturn laws created by the council and intervene in local affairs." Maybe in the Federation, that control is tighter than DC's currently is.
Does any of this REALLY matter? it's a sci-fi TV show for entertainment. Sit back and enjoy it for what it is.... ENTERTAINMENT. Believe what you want of it and not what you want too.
@@hambone5718 you're watching a channel about the thing that isn't real that discusses it in detail, and replying to a comment about it. I mean, be the coolest guy at the nerd con if you want (not that anyone cares), it's still wasting the same amount of time on the thing that isn't real 🙄
@Michael Cloyd
That's _literally_ what these debates and discussions are _about_ - fans of the franchise coming together to enjoy the entertainment value of the sci-fi show and decide which parts we choose to believe about it and which parts we don't then argue about the points we disagree on.
So, congratulations, in your half-assed attempt at self-righteous judgement you've not only caught up with the rest of the class but you also just played yourself.
The first half of "Threshold" is actually quite compelling. The resolution to that episode leaves MUCH to be desired, however.
if they just change it from "evolution" to "weird unknown radiation" it would have been a lot of better. maybe also have the radiation destroy the internal structure of the ship so they couldn't keep using it
The fact that Paris and Janeway were returned to their original forms with off-screen ease means that going to Warp 10 was definitely a viable method of going home. All the crew would have to do is tell Starfleet how to stop or reverse the metamorphosis that was demonstrably slow enough to mitigate or at least slow enough to put the entire crew into stasis and ‘fix’ them at starfleet’s leisure.
I like the pink lizards and their babies, though. But being able to change back with treatment? I find it a bit hard to believe. Would it have been better to have had a couple of crewmen change instead and not able to change back, so they decide to leave them happily on the planet with their babies?
@@Goodiesfanful That would have been great. Just call over any random "Red Shirt". I mean, that's what they were for anyway.
10:28 Warp 10 was actually achieved twice in the Voyager episode. Once when Tom Paris first did it on his own and then a second time once he had abducted Janeway after he had begun changing.
and at least once more in the alpha quadrant, but under undisclosed circumstances.
the people involved in this incident were seen in a secret medical resort in star trek lower decks.
god I love nerds
We do not speak of that episode.
@@Marvin_R Lower Decks is a series of jokes. Not Canon.
We're going to count that as one, because the lizard-morphing was retarded.
We're forgetting the single most important detail - if you wear a red shirt and have few or no lines, your goose is cooked.
It's entirely possible that by TNG's time, the Talosians may have died off.
It should also be noted that the idea of Warp 10 resulting in the ship occupying all points in the universe simultaneously is almost certain a reference to the Infinite Improbability Drive from The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, and serves as a warning against taking such references seriously, lest you turn your lead characters into overgrown salamanders.
Or the accidental creation of a humpback whale and bowl of begonias. But at least they didn't go to plaid.
The real reason warp past 10 is impossible
Is cuz after a wile, your just calling out a number with no reference point. It makes bad writing
Also acceleration can kill before lightspeed, i can only imagine there is a point where the equipment cant take any more strain and you would feel the acceleration and die
@@donovanulrich348 you don't accelerate during warp speed, that's not what warp engines are doing.
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It was petunias, wasn’t it?
“Oh no… not again!”
@@donovanulrich348 Inertial Dampeners.
I'd like to point out that Kirk didn't defeat the 2 silver-eyed people with strong telekinetic powers. In that episode (Where no man has gone before) he points out to the woman who was less impacted that they are losing their empathy and humanity and convinces her to help him against the silvered guy. She does. In the fight her powers are less developed thus she is weaker and does not survive but Kirk doesn't beat her so much as she helps Kirk.
The genetic engineering ban is a major plot point in TOS, at least 2 movies, a major character in DS9, Enterprise, and the entire second series of Picard. I'd say it's one of the most mentioned Star Trek details.
The TAS episode "The Counter-Clock Incident", the Enterprise encountered a ship that could go warp 36.
That's the very reason Gene Roddenberry changed the Warp Scale, although one instance of a Warp Speed beyond 10 did occur early in TNG's run. We know it would also later be rescaled for alternative futures, mostly because Warp 9.999999 so on and so forth would get pretty old pretty fast.
TAS, although claimed to be canon by Gene, is pretty much disregarded from canon. Non-live action aside, it causes continuity issues like mad, and should have been the subject of scorn by channels like Major Grin, but given those channels are hypocrites, nothing much more to say.
@@edwinpoon Well Lower Decks treats it like it's canon, and Lower Decks is canon(though there are some more questionable choices involving, but whatever).
Besides, Star Trek's a multiverse, so everything can be canon in spite of contradictions.
@@silversonic1 Well, I can certainly live with contradictions, if you can. So, how about you hop over to Major Grin and help reprimand them on their Star Trek hating nonsense.
@@edwinpoon I prefer not to cast pearls before swine.
Some of these have been talked about A LOT in Star Trek. Like, exceptions to The Prime Directive. There's numerous episodes of TNG where the officers debate what the proper course of action is in emergencies to pre-warp planets.
Picard's classified knowledge falling into Borg hands has been adressed in Trek. Also, thinking they don't know about Omega molecules is daft. That would be something they'd know all about if they've assimilated so many. Those of us in the Alpha and Beta can't be the only one's who know of such things.
I mean, it was even mentioned by Seven of Nine that the Borg do know the Omega molecule, and have been researching it for a long time. They probably knew about it long before Starfleet.
I think Seven said they learned about it from a human Captain. And then they actually did experiments on it.
@@Foolish188 Oh well, guess I forgot that detail. It seems surprising to me though that, with the thousands upon thousands of species the Borg have assimilated, none of them ever had any encounters with the Omega molecule.
yes the Borg know about the Omega Molecule but they weren't aware until the assimilation of Picard what Starfleets procedures are when encountered said molecule.
@@Foolish188 No, she said they were following it near the beginning if their existence, with one species calling it tears if heaven or something, and the species number the Birg used was quite low, like only 3 digits, so it would have been long before they encountered humans.
What Seven said she learned from assimilated humans, specifically Starfleet captains, was the Omega Directive and how Starfleet dealt with the Omega molecule
Star Trek lore is so expansive that even CBS/Paramount forgets about most it
I'm surprised that when talking about the warp scale you didn't mention the transwarp engine used by the Excelsior. It's believed that it worked and all ships then on were built with it and older ships received it in retrofit, creating a necessity to change the scale
It didn't work. Transwarp is what the Borg use.
The Warp Speed change was a move away from a linear measurement to a logarithmic one.
@@LainK1978 The Original Series warp scale was not linear.
Is transwarp drive the same technology as transwarp conduits?
@@davidellis1929 No, Transwarp conduits are more akin to Hyperspace in Star Wars. They pull you into a pocket of subspace and it allows them to travel much faster. They were probably going about Warp 9.999999996 in the conduits in Voyager
The Excelsior, prototype with a new engine idea, which they "believed" to be transwarp. Failed because of their understanding of speed, physics and reality. Meaning, you cannot be so fast as to be everywhere at once. Ever watch that Voyager Episode "Threshold"? Anyway, instead of inventing a transwarp drive, they only accidently made a slightly faster, much more efficient warp drive and they had to rescale the math for it. It was progress, but in order to really have "Transwarp" one would need wormholes (conduits) in order to work, Like BS5 and Stargate Tech. Otherwise, you would splatter along the quadrant. As it is, the invention of "Inertial Dampeners" was most necessary for warp. Can you imagine, standing at Tactical on a Galaxy Class Starship, and when those Dampeners fail right when you hear, "Engage"?
in the words of Sulu, "Oh, my."
The prime directive: "And in next weeks episode, the crew violates the Prime Directive, again, in 7 different ways...again..."
"I'm only 140!" - Admiral Pavel Chekov, portrayed by Walter Koenig in a fan film. This implies to me that dying younger than 175+ must be uncommon by the TNG era.
Or he was making a joke which Chekhov was known for.
Renegades?
I doubt they would include fan fiction in this kind of list.
Red shirt life expectancy was about 6 months out of the academy in TOS.
Bread and Circuses: Spock mentioning 37 million dead in WWIII became even more chilling since he ended with, "Shall I go on?"
Edit: Respect for recalling that the Changeling briefly took the ship to Warp 11+ before Kirk told it to reverse its "efficiency" upgrades.
Ww3 changed 3 times in TOS and then further in TNG.
Initially it was the Eugenics War in the 1990s. Spock's very words.
Then it was vaguely in the 21st century after the ubermen had been killed or escaped to space.
Then the deaths changed and changed again through the 90s series and movies.
There were 3 Billion humans in 1966, doubled before 2000, will be near 9 billion by end of this decade....
So as this franchise ages the megadeath count has to keep going up.
@@STho205 the current “hand wave” for the cause of the Eugenics war and World War 3, and the dates associated with them are “unknown due to incomplete records from the time period.”
@@joermnyc TOS eps and TNG eps and 1st Contact all had different writers. To get better consistency on small toss away l lines you have to use the Babylon 5 method. One writer produces 90% of the scripts.
Also helps to not suppose things just 20 years from your broadcast. Star Trek would have been far better off by describing those events as Stardate xxx.
We don't describe Julius Ceasar as in the 105th year of Romulus or Charlemagne as the 400th year of the vulgate.
Originally Star Trek was supposed to be anywhere from 2099 to 3099 and they were very vague....as S1 progressed each writer hinted at a time relative to us. By S2 Coon and Fontana had settled on 300 years beyond broadcast...as Bonanza was supposed to be 100 years before broadcast.
@@STho205 Didn't Riker claim over 200 million dead in First Contact?
The TOS scale allowed for warp to go pretty high (which, frankly, is the more useful scale. The decimal points in the recalculated system get excessively insane). Regardless... the NCC-1701's internal frame wasn't up to the task of withstanding higher warp scales. So Nomad's efficiency upgrade was going to destroy the ship just by going too fast.
I think, canonically, the TOS Enterprise started to get shaky at about warp 8 (which it could maintain for a few hours without extreme danger), warp 9 for short bursts, and warp 10+ for unknown amounts of time (but in the zone of minutes). Engine-wise, warp 9 was about as fast as she could go without alien interference.
The Prime Directive has been disregarded so often it appears more like a guideline than an actual rule.
“There can be no justice so long as laws are absolute. (Picard)
The Prime Suggestion
“The code is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules.”
I love Trek & this channel. BTW I prefer the old warp speeds where warp 1 was the speed of light x 1 cubed, warp 2 was the speed of light x 2 cubed etc. As Ellie mentioned each increase in warp meant a huge velocity change. However with the transwarp experiment and other advances warp engines became so fast they decided to modify warp scale. Speed of plot right?
In All Good Things, Riker gives the command to return to Federation space at Warp 13. And in Lower Decks, human ESP and telekinesis was used, like Gary Mitchell.
Didn't"All good This" turn out to be a dreamscape?
@@colinmoore7460 no. It was a parallel timeline created by Q.
I'm just baffled that no one has ever mentioned an entire Dyson Sphere, since it was discovered by the enterprise D.
In my head-canon 90% of Starfleet is dedicated to studying and documenting off-screen the things that their “hero ships” discover.
@@andrewjohnson6716 The USS Cerritos is hailing...
Does any of this REALLY matter? it's a sci-fi TV show for entertainment. Sit back and enjoy it for what it is.... ENTERTAINMENT. Believe what you want of it and not what you want too.
@@hambone5718 discussing the finer details, and their implications, is part of our enjoyment of the show.
Also, star trek has a long history of pushing political and social boundaries. So yes, this does really matter.
The “Tom Paris into a lizard” thing… “Lower Decks” expanded a little on it and called it “Anthony”.
In other words, “Lower Decks” could potentially answer some of these questions.
There are all sorts of things that appeared in The Animated Series that are forgotten about, such as a version of the holodeck in Kirk and Spock's time, and the ability of the transporter to restore de-aged versions of the crew to their correct ages.
I think, like the genetic argumentation ban, there are probably protocols against the use of transporter technology to rewrite human cells or replicating entire people. Since the replicators are either an outgrowth transporter technology or visa versa, then there is likely an emergency medical exception to the augmentation rule, but as we have seen it can only be used to return the subject to their original state.
Human Lifespans during TOS, TNG, DS9, & Voyager are pretty much the same as it was in the 80s, 90s, & even today. The few cases of incredibly old humans like Doctor McCoy living well into the 2360s is due to unique things done to them. In McCoy's case he was made immune to all disease and viruses by a higher lifeform in a TOS episode.
Wasn't Doctor McCoy's condition because he spent a lot of time between FTWIHAIHTTS and TMP researching Fabrini medicine, that which cured him of his xenopolysethæmia. Might have given rise to his grow-a-new-kidney pills as well.
I’m not sure, but wasn’t there an admiral that was over 100 years old in TNG’s first season? Not only that, wasn’t Captain Archer over 100 years old when he saw the NCC-1701 Enterprise launch? (According to his page in the captain’s quarters of the Defiant, he watched the Enterprise’s first flight and died a day later)
Picard was always a solid decade older than Patrick Stewart's actual age.
@@L1z43vr But there are quite a lot of people that lives beyond 100 today, the main difference might be how much age affects them.
Even today some experiment with ways to keep your vitality at higher age, even if that might have side effects.
My guess is that they likely improved that to a level where its safe to use meaning less people in nursery homes.
But on the other hand, the population is still getting older by the generation so a life expectancy of over 100 a few centuries in the future does not sound very implausable :)
Genetic manipulation has been talked about constantly in Star Trek
Interestingly - there's very little pushback against technological augmentation. I'd like to hear more Starfleet views on AI and cyber augmentation. If people that are stronger are banned? then where do Starfleet stand on people that can fly at mach 2?
And why do androids get rights before holograms? they both have binary minds - their body is irrelevant
@@JohnnyWednesday Androids received rights before Holograms because theoretically there were no "Holograms" seeking to have their rights protected. Data received rights only because they were fought for and precedent was set in law. And Even with the Doctor, he wasn't granted Full rights of being sentient until the crew arrived home (Future Janeway's scenes). The scenes with the Doctor fighting for rights was limited in scope to "Control of his own artistic work"
I assume part of that had to do with the fact that all Holograms outside of the Doctor had the limited scope of not being autonomous. The Doctor had the Mobile Emitter and had developed subroutines to allow himself to become "alive".
@@Dolanaris If a monkey can't own a photograph it took, then a robot shouldn't, either, no matter what it looks and sounds like.
With the microscopic “dog tags” part, I always thought the uniform itself had a manufacturers mark… something to identify what ship the uniform was made… far too small a number to identify a crewman…
And with how often combadges are swapped or plunked onto other people for transporting, it seems unlikely that the combadge would be the dog tags of the future.
And if uniforms had identifiers for specific people, they should be bigger and easier to read so they can be separated in the laundry.
@@haweater1555 TNG shows that each officer's quarters had a laundry processor (at least Worf's did because he scolded Alexander for not putting his dirty clothes into the processor). The IDs wouldn't need to be readable by a person to be able to be sorted. A computer reader could find the ID number and sort the item accordingly.
I'm not sure what purpose dog tags would serve in Starfleet. Devices can be removed, no matter where they are, even DNA can be altered. I would think by that point, Starfleet would go by biometrics down to the DNA level, and just hope for the best.
A decent manufacturer would've put pockets on the uniforms
The genetic engineering ban hits a snag when you rewatch "Unnatural Selection" where a Federation ship is struck by rapid aging after visiting a Federation genetic research facility which created children who could withstand diseases.
They did say it could be used to fix a deadly defect that had been found.
I don't remember, was it a federation station or just a station they were checking on?
@@Firecul Memory Alpha says it was a Federation station.
@@NeilBlumengarten I'll assume they are correct then
I mean, the real world explanation is simply that the ban hadn't been thought of as part of the canon yet. Even though Khan and the eugenics war were introduced in TAS, I don't think that they ever mentioned a taboo against genetic engineering until DS9.
I remember that even Bashir was horrified to discover he was genetically altered, showing just how strong the feeling against this manipulation is.
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lol I love this scene, the way Shatner is holding the gun like he's never held a gun before, the way he rolls on the ground instead of just turning a little bit to the right.
Oh man it's terrible
"Does the rolling help?" Gwen deMarco, Galaxy Quest
@@briancorman8496 I see you managed to get your shirt off.
I forgot which episode it was. In the original series there is a scene where they use phasers to stun an entire city block from orbit. I'm sure that would never be useful again
A Piece of the Action.
Regarding the Prime Directive! In the Enterprise episode ‘Dear Doctor’ Archer had to make some really difficult decisions on what to allow Phlox to do to assist the alien civilization to deal with a plague! It’s an outstanding episode! This was perhaps the event that prompted Star Fleet to implement the Prime Directive in the first place…
that was ep where he said i now understand what the vulcans felt about us
The cetacean lab in the TOS blueprints
What ever happened to the Horta? Did they join the Federation willingly? Or did the All Mother "encourage" the generation of Horta born at the end of Devil in the Dark to get along with the mining colony out of fear?
If you take some of the books as canon, then there was at least one Horta crew member on the Enterprise, Ensign Naraht.
@@heathertomlinson1961
The Horta crewed a science vessel exploring the Dyson sphere that Scotty was found on, according to the novels.
@@AWW8472 I haven't read that one. What's the title?
@@heathertomlinson1961
Star Trek TNG - Dyson Sphere (Pocket Books #50)
The USS Darwin is crewed entirely by Horta. It has some trouble and the Enterprise comes to help.
@@AWW8472 cool. I'll try to find it. I like the Horta. Thanks!
They probably learned a lot about the Q when they assimilated the El Aurians
The microchip in the uniform could be for laundry reasons rather than a dog tag. A closer analogue for collectors of old TV and movies would probably be opera or ballet, a different form of story telling, rather than 'vinyl' which is a storage method.
Laundry? Just replicate a new one and destroy the old one.
The Warp Scale was certainly changed from TOS era to the TNG era making Warp 10 definitively the fastest anyone could travel. Although no one reached the Warp 10 barrier, except Tom Paris, then how in the TNG finale All Good Things... are ships traveling faster up to Warp 13? In the writer's room it sounded good so they kept it, fair enough. In universe maybe they rearranged the scale again or chalk it up to alternate future, but there's no explanation in canon.
Engage the improbably drive! 🤣
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It's possible that with new FTL technologies and/or schematics that Voyager brought back with them such as quantum slipstream, Borg transwarp gates, that giant subspace slingshot, etc that Starfleet may have had to readjust the warp scale to incorporate them into it.
Yes, I know those episodes of Voyager didn't exist when All Good Things waa being written, but it is possible Voyager's writers put some of those plot points in to quietly give them the tools to retcon that Warp 13 gaffe.
There's also the very distinct possibility that nothing that happened in All Good Things was even real and all of it was a fabrication of Q. The Warp 13 error could have been a mistake Q made based on his misunderstanding of how warp drive works.
#9- Enterprise does mention “United Earth” many times, since they are “Earth Starfleet”. In beta cannon even the Enterprise, after the refit that adds a new warp drive, it’s rechristened the SS-01 Enterprise since the refit is so extensive they even re-class the ship into “Columbia Class.” The U isn’t added until the Federation is formed.
In the original Technical Manual from the 1970's, the government of Earth is clearly shown to be the United Nations.
Of course the Enterprise has cannons. it's classified as an escort with later ships given the name being cruisers.
Which Beta canon? In the Rise of the Federation relaunch series, the Endeavour is reclassed as Columbia class with a new secondary hull, but NX-01 is mothballed in an orbital museum.
@@Feroce They must hate The Expanse, then. The UN is one of the major military powers in the solar system, alongside the Martian Congressional Republic and the Outer Planets Alliance.
As I recall from the early years, Warp Speed was a cube factor. Warp 1 was 1 cubed or 1 times the speed of light. Warp 2 was 2 cubed or 8 times speed of light. Warp 3 was 3 cubed or 27 times speed of light... so Warp 10 was 1000 times the speed of light. Which meant... it took you a year to travel 1000 light years. Which may seem a lot, but really that is generally slow if you want sizeable sections of the galactic disk to be within a months travel or less. Largely distances got ignored often and speed became VERY relative, to the point you were traveling not at Warp Speed, but Plot Point speeds. "How long will it take us to get there? How long do we need it to take to make the plot work? Ummm, 3 days... OK then, it will take us 3 days to get there."
Then it could be changed from X^3 to X^number and problem solved.
This was critical to the whole premise of Voyager.
"It'll take us 70+ years to get home at maximum sustainable warp."
But then in the first of the reboot movies they travel from Qo'nos to Earth in about 30 seconds. At that speed it would take Voyager a day to get home from the other side of the galaxy - and travel to other galaxies would take no more than weeks. Are we to believe that the ships got significantly slower?
@@WombatMan64 The maximum warp discrepancies are best highlighted by comparing the plot of the entire Voyager series to that of ST5 The Final Frontier. Kirk and company take a few hours to get from the Alpha quadrant to the centre of the galaxy where the "Great Barrier" is located. If the galaxy is 100,000 light years in diameter we can presume it's approximately 50,000 light years to the centre. They start their journey from Nimbus 3, which is "located in the neutral zone" so from that point it is a distance of about 20,000 to 30,000 light years to the centre. And yet it will take Voyager 75 years to travel 70,000 light years to get to the Alpha quadrant.
@10:30 A ship able to occupy every point in space at the same time? That's the Infinite Improbability Drive.
There's also the fact that star trek picard used 3-D printers As their replicators As a nod to the fact that star trek predicted the technology
Retrieving someone from a transporter buffer is never the person who was disintigrated, but merely a 3D printed copy of their most recent save. And I love how the narrator mentions that countries like France and Canada are 'allowed' to keep their countries, like parents allowing children to decorate their room so long as they obey.
Warp speed travel causing damage to the fabric of space and subspace. This is the focal point of plot in TNG episode Force of Nature. The Hekaran scientists attempt to present findings to this effect. They effectively get promises to have the matter debated and investigated. Not the outcome they expected or sought - so one of them to make a point causes intentional damage via warp travel at the cost of her own life too. Later on it’s conveyed there is more of this occurring elsewhere. More rifts would emerge and if it something wasn’t done then the issue would begin to affect every warp capable species. It’s established that a warp speed limit would be set and that there were to be other restrictions. More or less the subject comes up twice more in TNG- the speed limit was ignored in the episode Pegasus. It never really comes up again after TNG.
it's a shame - you could have based a super interesting war on such a premise - with great swathes of subspace being destroyed. It would have made more a 'corridor' akin to the Star Wars universe - could have been lots of fun. Want the Romulans? gotta go through the Klingons ;)
@@JohnnyWednesday holes into other continuums has not often explored at least outside printed works
@@Elim1986 - Then we shall explore them! you take the left singularity and I'll take the one that tastes of 5
I think Voyager's movable engines were supposed to be an answer to this problem; they were designed so that the ship could ignore the speed limit. Presumably later engineering breakthrus could allow the speed limit to be retired.
@@ScooterBond1970 Bingo! "Varibale Warp Field Geometry" Later starships, like the Soveriegn class had this functionality without the need for movable pylons.
"Start Trek is know for it's realism[…]"
Tell me you never watched any Trek, without telling me you never watched any Trek.
The USS Pasteur in the last episode of TNG travels away from Klingon space at warp 13, at least that is what Captain Crusher orders.
And also the Traveler amd Caretaker manage to push ships past warp 10, not forgetting Borg transwarp network
I believe that was the the Refit Galaxy Enterprise D
with the third nacelle
any way whatever ship it was
Warp 13 was mentioned...
It seems in future times they recalibrated that logarithmic warp scale again and didn't assign warp 10 to infinity. THe 9.9959 speeds were starting to get awkward. :)
Also, the doctor did find a cure for the genetic mutations after entering Warp 10, so maybe starfleet has worked out something to prevent humans from mutating once they go faster than warp 10. But yeah, that's probably not the case, since something faster than infinite velocity isn't really possible lol
@@coletrickIe Well, yeah, but it wouldn't be an unreasonable thing for some timelines to do, I figure.
Also in that episode Dr.Picard-Crusher, loses her entire medical ship, though not its crew, and reacts as if she just lost a little shuttle. Losing a medical ship under those circumstances would have mean the end of her SF career after a long legal battle and dishonorable discharge.
The ID wasn't on Hogan's "uniform", per se, it was specifically on his rank insignia bar. One of the two scientists (Gegen, I think) mentions that in the episode, making it both rank insignia and dog tags rolled into one.
"Exceptions to the Prime Directive" is something that is almost never mentioned?? The Prime Directive has been bent or broken in TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY lore anywhere from at least 13 times (TrekCulture actually has a video about it) and up to at least 33 times - not including movies - based on what Reddit fans have discovered by combing through Memory Alpha alone. Heck it's practically a right of passage for Star Fleet Officers. :D
Lol the Prime Directive isn't so prime. Two other directives supercedes it. The Omega Directive & the Temporal Prime Directive.
A holodeck would be good as long as there were no adverts.
The ESP thing is a fascinating historical artifact. I think from roughly 1965-1975 the idea that ESP or other Psi powers were possible hit it's peak, and there were serious people throwing serious money at this idea. It didn't seem impossible that we'd unlock these mysteries by the 23rd century. But the theories didn't survive testing, so IRL now it's just the province of fringe scientists and cranks.
Actually research is still ongoing, and it's standing up to testing, so much so that Dawkins has to keep raising the bar to avoid having to pay out his promised prize for whoever can prove telepathy, but the researchers keep blandly agreeing and eventually hitting the higher marks.
One interesting finding is that telepathy and other psi abilities come through most clearly in dreams, which could give a clue as to why it's so hard to harness. So now there's research in the neurology of REM sleep and why that makes a difference.
i could never figure out how khan knew how to arm that genesis thingy
Yeah, the vulcans really show us how great was their global government in Enterprise, specially in season 4.
They got better. Sorta. Cultural death matches were still allowed
@@russellharrell2747 I'm talking about their corrupt, authoritarian, war monger government.
From the thumbnail I thought you were going to talk about the United Federation of Planets' symbol being that of Earth. Hardly inclusive of all the other "planets" that are a part of the Federation.
Threshold is definitely mentioned in some corners of the fandom. On Tumblr, Threshold Day is also known as the day when Voyager fans overtake DS9 fans in their enthusiasm for posting about lizard sex.
Regarding the ESP issue, what about Miranda Jones from the TOS episode Is There In Truth No Beauty? She was fully human and a full telepath.
I assume that as time went on, they found it necessary to redo the warp scale. Calling for warp 9.9987 or something like that, which the newer ships could do easily, would be kind of ridiculous sounding. Calling for warp 13 or whatever just makes it easier and safer - plus quicker in an emergency. Thus the Enterprise D that could go at Warp 13 - and Riker had stated he had her pulled of mothballs and recommised to be his flagship. So ships of that era would have been even faster.
What a wonderful video! I found this quite fascinating! Nicely done Ellie!
One thought about the extreme age of Leonard McCoy (and maybe Pavel Chekov who appears in a fan series on RUclips post Voyager) is the exposure to the Spores on Omicron Ceti III. After their effects are cancelled by the extreme emotions generated by Kirk and Spock and their communications gadget, everyone is still in perfect health. so theoretically this could have regenerated the crew and basically added 25-40 years (depending upon the age of the crew) to their lifespans.
I liked this video. Keep up the good work. I like know this stuff.
I always held that Warp One was the speed of light, and Warp Two the cube-speed (3X) lightspeed, -and so on. That's about the only way (lightspeed-cubed for each 'warp #') would make reaching new star systems feasible. Interesting that the means of communication is of a hyper-transwarp/subspace communication, else it would be quicker to just fly to the place they wish to communicate to than to 'send a subspace message'
Never thought about that.. huh
"lightspeed cubed" makes no sense. If you cube a velocity, you end up with m^3 / s^3, which is not a speed. The original warp scale was v= w^3 c
@@quantisedspace7047 I don't quite follow but, -okay. Somehow the incremental speed of every higher Warp Factor must be exponential. Even traveling '10X the speed of light' actual would take years to reach each new star system. Travelling something akin to the speed of subspace communication is what would be required and do so and without time dilation. Anyway, love Star Trek despite not understanding many of the implied 'hows' involved. Thanks for the response. 🙂
# 0 : Time Travel Capability. Inconsistencies on how it is portrayed, when it is done, and why it is not done more often.
Just casually going back to their own time at the end of First Contact makes me scratch my head 😂
Picard saying "The Federation has no death penalty" is circumspect- he also said that "Starfleet isn't a military" when it plainly is.
Let's be real- the first season of TNG is kinda spotty when it comes to canon.
Yes, we have to remember that whatever a character says is the opinion of that character said from their point of view with their own desired outcomes. A character statement is not a dictum of fact.
And in the first season they did a lot of cringey, regrettable things that were not repeated.
As well, 'the Federation has no death penalty' and 'Starfleet has a death penalty' can both be true at the same time.
@@PeterSmith-pf1cf Given that Starfleet is a government organization within the Federation, nope, they cannot both be true. (It'd be like saying the US doesn't have a death penalty, but the US Army/Military does- it doesn't track.)
@@Sephiroth144 Actually...in real life it works just as you describe it not to be. Even in countries with no death penalty, if there is a war situation and a soldier tries to mutiny he can be legally executed by his superiors basically without a trial, and the decision would stand up in a court of law. So in a sense not only is it possible...its the case in every country I can think of.
Lower Decks "Much Ado About Boimier" had a Warp 10 Salamander. That means Warp 10 has been broken 3 times Tom Paris, Paris & Janeway and random Star Fleet Officer
Unless Janeway and Paris couldn't bear to leave ALL their kids behind...
ANTHONY!
Or it’s possible that someone traveled really far into the Delta Quadrant, maybe by a wormhole, and found the salamander, scanned it, found it had human DNA, brought it back with them.
That salamander could have just been Paris/Janeway’s descendant
Something to mention about 8:55 - we encounter human telepaths on a number of occasions in the original series, and the most notable one was Miranda Jones, a human telepath. Her telepathy may be connected to the fact she lost her sight. I always thought the idea of the Medusans - aliens that were kind and peaceful but insanely hideous - fascinating and wish they would return in some other context. Oh, and there is another occasion human telepaths exist: the super-children developed by Dr. Kingsley in TNG's "Up the Long Ladder"
I believe you mean the episode "Unnatural Selection".
The Medusans (one) reappeared in Prodigy. Not sure if that counts
ESP also includes thermal detection,geomagnetic sensory, temporal perception, & vertical stability so we ALL have ESP!
What do you mean, it's almost never mentioned? There were whole episodes and maybe even movies (Wrath of Khan) about genetic engineering and the consequences. You can hardly call that "never mentioned".
Movies and TV mostly got replaced by holo novels, like interactive movies. Not just a random holo world, but with a fixed story line.
Kironide, from Plato's stepchildren
Thank you! I was wondering why no one had mentioned Bones being able to give Kirk and Spock telekinetic powers, if only temporarily.
were is my view screens dramatic zoom function no one ever talks about how the view screen knows when to zoom in for dramatic effect
If you had bothered to listen she talks about Star Trek lore... Camera zooms are not lore
@@stevenwilliams1873 the view screen zooming in by its self is law its on screen
"Details that are never mentioned" and "The Prime Directive"?
I think this video should have been titled "10 things that get brought up constantly but are always brushed aside"
Wasn’t a big fan of Voyager but damn that episode “Distant Orgins” was just perfect I mean I wish we saw more of the Voth.I did read a Trek book Infinity Prism from the Myriad Universe collection and there was a cool story about the Voth in delta quadrant who stumble onto the Jemhadar that disappeared in the wormhole if I remember correctly.
As always a great video. I went to a comedy festival for a week and "came back" to 3 new TrekCulture videos. Amazing!
Many of the above were retocned later by future shows. The whole excuse for using a different scale for warp speeds is a big one after what Voyager decided to do with it's wonky episode. There's a few times in TNG where, be it Q or the Traveler send the ship out at some crazy speed that's obviously more than Warp 10 but, oh well.
While they may travel faster than Warp 10, are they travelling through Warp? Warp isn't just a measure of speed, it's a specific mode of travel. With the traveler, there's still a conflict, since I remember he was specifically doing something with the warp drive, but who knows. It still wasn't "conventional" by any means.
@@LasherTimora That's, at best, a convenient way to side step things. But in the end, regardless of the method, it's down to you traveling faster than light. And even though warp is bending space a specific way around you you're still physically moving through it compared to using something like a wormhole.
In the end it really does come down to your relative speed.
@@GPsarakis Since we're being super technical, warp is more accurately described in Futurama... it doesn't move the ship, the engines move the universe around the ship. (I mean... kinda. Warp essentially creates a gravity bubble.)
What I find fascinating about it is that warp is clearly possible in the real world (if we can power it, that is). The evidence is in black holes. Black holes can trap light, which means that gravity can overcome the speed of light. That means FTL is possible... if gravity can be harnessed and deployed.
Number 1 I call bull on because in every series they mention it often
In TOS the old Warp scale is called Sol in the german translation. The top speed of the NCC-1701 was given with Sol 15.
yeah and it was an abbreviation of Speed over light
Correction: You said “medias”. Media is already the plural of medium.
The genetic manipulation ban has been a recurring plot point on episodes of DS9, Enterprise, and Strange New Worlds.
Earth's planetary government was a major aspect of Enterprise, and a big part of Season 3 of Discovery.
It's been repeatedly mentioned that the Borg learned everything Picard knew.
These things definitely get mentioned.
Yeah but then they couldn't have made a top ten list
This information is super interesting. I want to express my personal appreciation for the time and work you invested in producing it. Thanks so much!
I am curious about how often Star Trek references real-world culture such as the works of Shakespeare and Conan Doyle. Does any other sci-fi franchise do that as extensively as Star Trek and would it be possible to make a list of your favorite episodes that contain real-world references?
Star Trek loves them some public domain IP. ;-)
@@QBCPerdition "Is this a cheque I see before me?"
Dr Who not only references many historical figures but they go and meet them in person frequently. I'm sure the Doctor has met both Shakespeare and Doyle.
The opening of Into Darkness absolutely was NOT an exception. In fact it's one of the few instances where the Prime Directive was violated and a punishment was enforced. Kirk was removed from command of the Enterprise and demoted completely back to cadet, which is just one step shy of being kicked out of Starfleet entirely. The Directive is normally fairly loosely enforced, and commanding officers are given a lot of leeway as to it's application in any given situation.
RIGHT! Those moments when watching a vid like this and they make an obvious mistake and I go "NO, YOU ARE WRONG" *LOL* (good catch)
Saying the borg can never invert or learn is incorrect. They adapt their shields when they are under attack.
Not completely inaccurate. It stems from Voyager as since the borg could not assimilate species 8472 they could not learn how their tech worked. This worked to 8472's advantage as since the borg could not figure out how bio ships could operate outside of their intended environment.
That's fair - although we've never been given much information on invention or creativity within the collective - yes they take technology from other species but they also adapt that technology and combine it in unique ways.
So there must be aspect of creative thought - either that or the Borg have a shipyard filled with a lot of weird prototypes!
If it's said on a trek show it becomes Trek fact until erased by the next contradictory fact and it's been said they don't learn. So until it's said that they do learn, it's correct to say they don't.
Learn and adaprt aren't always the same thing. Rattlesnakes haven't learned their rattles get them found and caught... they've simply adapted... and less and less rattle now a days.
@@dhotnessmcawesome9747 - it's easy to highlight the words 'learn' and 'adapt' and say they're totally different things - but we're talking complex mental activities that in reality? are very blurred in definition.
Adapting is a form of learning - if they can adapt their shields to protect against a blast?
they can 'adapt' their engines to be faster, or 'adapt' their maths to be more capable.
Two separate words do little justice to complexity I can't define very well.
@@dhotnessmcawesome9747 - But I do get what you mean. The Borg are portrayed as not having creativity like Humans in their encounters. I just think that adapting the technology of other species given the many ways it could be done - requires a creative choice.
A cube might be simplistic - but it's a choice
"Threshold" could have been a terrific episode if it hadn't gone off the rails midway through. Imagine touching the face of god...and then being slammed back into your tiny little reality again. Imagine Tom Paris desperate to repeat the experience, but being told no. To stop him Janeway destroys the modified shuttle (you know she would). So he takes over engineering and tries to get Voyager up to warp 10. Then we get one of Star Trek's patented 'countdown to disaster' scenes as the computer tells everybody that the ship's about to come apart at the seams! It could have been a great character study; a story about achieving greatness and what comes after. Instead, we got iguana babies. [deep sigh]
Also one can deduce from star trek that united earth seems to actually be " money-free" and " No-Capitalism / No-greed" zone.
There is a financial system with in the Federation as the Federation credit as mentioned in the original series. By Picard's time most businesses even in the Federation use Latinum as a form of currency.
@@zomfragger No , You are confusing Frengi system with earth's system , actually Star Trek has created the Frengi as an opposite system to the United Fed , in DS9 there is clear indications made by Dr Beshir to Quark and Mog that Federation Officers do not receive wages / money .
I have to disagree with the no-money needed and unlimited everything at least in TOS.
In Mudd's Women, some of the plot revolves around miners working in very harsh conditions with the stated goal of getting rich and being able to buy the "good life."
So in TOS, you still needed a way to get money.
@@Chuck_Hooks , The only case when and wherein United Federation citizens needed money is when they would have to deal with the foreign ( Non-Federation -) people , in All Star Trek series at least up to Voyager one cannot see any earth federation businessman , however there must have been a sort of personal credit system to use for entertainment and leisure . whereas Frengis with their Greed-oriented capitalist system have always been ridiculed and looked down upon by United federation officers .
Then how does Quark owe Riker for poker winnings....sounds like Riker is doing some black market communism. Keeping his money in secret foreign bank accounts.
BTW how do you have Rich Lithium Miners from United Earth?
How do Starfleet personnel on shore leave or base on DS9 gamble at Quarks or rent holosuites or whores????
Wow... usually love these lists but I feel like you guys might be reaching on #10. Speed Seed, Star Trek 2, the Enterprise episodes about Soong, a major plotline of Season 2 of Picard, and a full episode of DS9 plus several references later hardly qualifies as "almost never mentioned"
EDIT: Oh sorry, and an episode of Strange New Worlds. Forgot I just saw that as well.
"the Borg can never invent or learn" - That isn't true at all, the Borg adapt constantly, yes they assimilate others biological and technological distinctive traits but I don't think its true to say they can't learn or invent for themselves
Exactly. They learn the same way a computer learns: brute force trial and error.
I literally came to the comments to say this as well. Adapting is what the Borg are all about. We see them do this in real time a bunch of times in TNG. Where would anyone ever get the idea they don't learn or invent?
Never mentioned, except for the whole movie Wrath of Khan, and it's episode from TOS. Then Bashir's story arc which referenced it for the last two or three seasons. And lastly, the two-three episode arcs in Enterprise with Augments and Flox curing the Klingons...don't forget about the whole temporal cold War as well.
My take on Dr. McCoy isn't about the medical tech at the time. It's more that he was the "Keeper of the Katra." for Spock. His, "Not having died" as a side effect.
It has the benefit of having a secondary source helping to back it up, in the reference of Scotty having accidentally lost Admira Archer's prized beagle in a transporter accident in the Kelvin universe.
If that Archer is Johnathan Archer from Enterprise, that would make him another very long lived human. Who also happened to be the Keeper of the Katra at one point in his life.
From one Treky to another, this vid is... fascinating.
Chapter 8: The multiplicity of the ID codes is probably down to the nature of the weapons being used.
As long as a single fragment remains someone can be identified.
My guess is that the entire psi thing that makes godlings of people with high psychic potential had a few major effects in star fleet. Firstly, that knowledge would be highly restricted. Second, people with sufficient psi would be catalogued. Third, anyone with sufficient ability that passing the galactic border would affect them would not be allowed on vessels that would potentially cross said barrier -- they wouldn't be told, just transfers would never happen that way. Of course then there is section 31, which must have tried to do this a few times and found out that it wasn't viable due to said beings being uncontrollable. Otherwise they'd have godlings on staff.
I'm assuming you meant that Bones is the oldest Human we've seen on screen Sarek was, well... quite a bit older.
Spock showing up on TNG was possibly older than Bones just he aged slower.
You forgot Flint, who was born in 3834 BC
@@The_Str4nger And I completely forgot Q who is infinitely old.
@@LordBloodraven Q isn't human. Flint besides his mutation is
Shite in the finale of TNG Riker's ship came in with three transwarp drives on it sending the Klingons running at warp 13.. you know transwarp