Recall RECALLED..But for How Long?
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Today we talk about some of the internal controversy about Windows Recall and how such an application should be run if someone would want to run it. We also look at an alternative.
#windows #recall #ai
00:00 - Intro
01:00 - Windows 11 24H2 Released (Partially)
03:16 - 3 Changes to Recall Rollout
05:00 - Ways Windows Lost People's Trust
06:30 - Windows Employees Kept in the Dark
07:45 - The Apple Alternative
10:45 - An Open Source Alternative
13:15 - How to Properly Implement This Tool
14:15 - Why Switch to Linux
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Too late, already switched to Linux.
Or stay on Windows 10 and have a computer that doesn't support Windows 11 by law Microsoft is not allowed to force an upgrade even if it's a policy they can't use policy as an excuse to act above the law I still run emulators on Windows 10 that isn't supported on Linux just stay on Windows 10 on a local account this time Microsoft cannot force an upgrade because of forced TPM 2.0 requirements the jokes on them now if I had a "gaming" laptop I would use Linux for Steam games.
@TechnoMinded-qp5in that works, too. I had already been dabbling with linux, dual booting my Windows 11 laptop with Mint. I just switched to Ubuntu LTS and am enjoying it. I haven't liked anything about Windows for a long time, it is really bloated. Of course, my work laptop is Windows, they are starting the migration to 11 this month.
I got a news for you on my mother's windows 10 computer she hasn at home, co-pilot is already starting to show off . How long do you think it's going to take for Microsoft if they haven't already done it to implement recall built into the damn Windows core AKA kernel?
@TechnoMinded-qp5in
You're not dodging the giant nuclear bomb that is Windows by staying on an older version...
Microsoft already knows that the vast majority of their users don't want to switch to Windows 11 and for sensible reasons but regardless there's absolutely no sensible reason for your personal Computing machine to run Windows at home unless you depend upon specific Windows software to actually make a living involving and you have actually tried it in Linux one way or another and confirm no matter what that you cannot get it running in Linux. Then again virtual machines have been a thing and I've yet to hear about a single person who understands how virtual machines work not getting native Windows software or game to run in a virtual save for a minimum level of Hardware performance they have not yet been able to afford to buy yet
@@TechnoMinded-qp5in yea and have an OS that doesnt get security updates... gonna get targeted real quick
My primary PC boots MX Linux and I have Windows 10 in a VirtualBox in case I need it. I've been running like this for a few months, and it works fine for me.
I give it a month or two before they rebrand it and try again. Normies have short memories, ironically.
They will sneak recall in
Windows 10 will be my last Windows I ever used especially when Microsoft should be ashamed for violating federal laws.
@@TechnoMinded-qp5in Here we go... another procrastinating "just one more thing needs to happen before I do anything" response.
I bet you will still be using Windows in five years time and posting on here "Windows 57 will be me my last Windows ever unless..."
As soon as I heard about Recall, I installed Mint on both my machines. It's working so well that I plan to stay here, no matter how much backpedaling Microsoft does. They already revealed what they WANT to do, and I'm no longer going to trust a company with those motives. Sooner or later, they will bring their plans into execution.
Micro$oft will follow the Apple template of retreating, showing contrition, then sneaking it back in via an update with no announcement. This will happen before the end of 2024.
also calling it a copilot is a very nice way of rebranding big brother is watching.
They backported the keylogger to Windows 7, they turned and 'X' into you a yes button to force installs. They reset all your settings and turn stuff on after the forced updates. But no, I'm sure they will not be putting this back on PCs. You can trust them. They are M$.
I'm loving Linux MINT. Keep your spyware AI crap out of my house and personal business.
One fun fact is that Apple has made a deal with OpenAI for part of the AI they are going to integrate into their OS. And given how much MS has invested in OpenAI, they technically own it.
MICROSOFT: "I promise I won't grope you!"
(still keeps hand resting on your thigh tho)
For me as a developer, still using Windows (for a variety of reasons) next to Linux, it's a nightmare, I am working on classified projects for the austrian government and international banks. I still hope that there will be more options within the developer mode to avoid getting every single pixel recorded by a mistery machine named co-pilot. By the way, I love your channel, enjoy your time in the van... I wish I could have that kind of freedom on the road.
I want an app that lets me save specific content for me to retrieve and review later. I don’t want an app that records everything I do. Shades of 1984!
Isn't that why people save files onto their storage media? To review or edit later? Hasn't that already been happening for decades? Aren't there already lots of applications that already do that? Or am I missing something?
they just turned it off on install... but they will turn it on perminantly later if you settle for anything less than complete deletion from the system
Windows Recall call all users to use Zorin OS.
They're just getting it ready for x86_64 systems while thinking of a fucked up naming scheme.
Too late, I already use Linux Mint
Nope. Microsoft'll call it something else and simply LIE about Recall NOT being in "this latest update designed to increase security and privacy for you!" Windows users need to keep their PiHoles and/or pfSense machinea running and up-to-date at all times.
I just solved this issue by be switching to linux mint.
Recall better be put on the wall.
I uninstalled the widgets just a couple days ago. That bastard didn't want to allow me doing so until I agreed for it to extract two letters of my location, like US would be for you there. WTF? Since when did customisation become conditioned by sharing where I live?
Recall was removed in the RTM AMD .863 build because it needs an NPU to run. My PCs are now stable and the windows draw and close quickly! Microsoft made the right move.
You do realise, of course, that Microsoft still has all access to your PC and data, don't you? Especially if you use Windows Defender doing real time analytics on your machine(s) and sending it home to "base camp".
Recall just puts more processing load and AI on your local machine(s) which just means you pay the cost of powering additional CPU cycles for processing locally, as opposed to Microsoft paying higher power bills processing it in their data centres to process it there. That's quite a power saving for them when you multiply it across millions of -suckers- Microsoft users all paying for Microsoft to steal their data.
Still, you know best...
Recall and Co-Pilot are spyware in a few years all the info that it collects will be sent back to Microscam, that's if it isn't already sending it to Microscam. Opting out of Recall might do nothing but still collect the screenshots and send them to microscam. There will always be a workaround to sign in to Microscam without a Microscam account but if they block all non Microscam accounts then Linux could see a massive amount of users switcing to Linux Distro's even if they have to pay a PC repair company £50 to £80 to delete Windows and install Linux on the PC. Many people just cannot afford Apple PC's as they only want to spend £500 or less on a PC. They don't want t spend £1,400 on a PC, IMO Apple products are highly overpriced, and they have their own OS.
I vehemently refuse to use win11 or 12. Win10 will be the very last windows based OS I ever use. I will try out mint and fedora in the mean time.
Nah they'll just sneak it in via an update and break more devices, hardware supported/qualified or not
The past is so passe. The next stage is AI forecasting your future actions.
I erased my entire ssd using bios. After restart it was clean. But the ssd is not recognizing now by any boot disks. How the encryption affect a clean disk ?
I recently bought a new laptop. It came with windows 11 home; after debloating it was using 25-30% CPU at idle. i updated it and it turned on encryption and reinstalled all the stuff i removed during the deblaoting. I found out it got encrypted when i went to partition it to dual boot with linux. I ended up blowing away the windows install for linux altogether. Debian sid with KDE uses between 0.7% and 3% CPU (idle) vs windows 25+% ... Laptop is an ideapad 5 with a 10 core I5 (1335U) processor 16GB RAM.
Customers should be offered new laptops without the microsoft licence if they choose.
Don’t worry. They’ll cram it in an update real quiet like.
Like copilot did on my 8th gen surface
What's going to happen if people spin up a post-recall release of Windows in a VM?
I switched to linux.
I switched my desktop computer to Linux a few weeks ago, I've had enough of Microsoft and all these other corporate elitists filling their pockets. While our computers just get slower and slower from the bloatware they lease to us.
M$ will probably get it on non copilot + pcs if not enough buy those spying pcs
Maybe they can build open recall into wubuntu...
Why would anyone in their right mind use Windwoes?
Oh - I think I've just answered my own question.
Nah, they'll just wait a while before trying again. That's what Microsoft did during Xbox One's launch after the backlash of "always online" checking and digital games. All they did was wait until games became too large to fit on discs that now gamers have to download part of the game, or a day-1 patch, just to play.
My guess is Microsoft will wait a while before rebranding the feature as something different, or just sneak it in without telling anyone.
DLC/patches are not the same as always online.
Digital games weren't the problem, either: the fact that MS could restrict you from playing physical games on friends' hardware or selling your old games was.
@@encycl07pedia- "DLC/patches are not the same as always online."
Technically speaking you don't pay for patches, but you pay for DLC which are just patches anyway. So even they are not the same.
@@marmadukemontague4081 You don't have to pay for all DLC. Bungie used to release map packs for free after a certain time had passed.
You absolutely can pay for non-DLC patches. What do you think SaaS is?
@@encycl07pedia- To be honest, I really don't care. I think I'd be more ashamed to admit I was "gaming whale" in a public place by revealing that I play those kinds of rubbish and derivative AAA games that require DLC in the first place.
It's not a "good look" admitting that you bend down and allow Bethesda, Bungie & EA to take you up the proverbial whenever they demand you do so.
@@marmadukemontague4081 lol. You can't admit that I was right, so you go ad hominem. To top off your failure, you're wrong about that, too. Way to demonstrate you can't handle me being smarter than you are.
The last Halo game I played was Reach. I don't pay for DLC. The last time I did was for COD4 back around 2009. But keep making terrible assumptions. It's fun carving you up in public.
Far too late, already putting together my own custom workspace via linux mint
People really give you a hard time about Windows videos? The channel is literally called Switched to Linux, as in, "Why I Switched to Linux."
Yep. Shows up in the comments from time to time.
I've been recalled, back to Linux Mint. Sorry macrosuck. I don't need a 2ic on my system. I'm calling the shots on my own hardware. Not you lot.
make DOS great again....
The only problem is currently is that the MS Windows window manager, which is based on DirectX, renders things better than any of the Linux mint window manager. Window, text and video look inferior compared to Windows. Games look fine in Linux for me btw.
I use Kubuntu, and it's text in windows is superior in my opinion. It's very crisp and worlds above more clear than winblows. I know you said mint. I do not like mint at all. Very clunky OS.
Not sure what planet you think you're on but this is reality on Earth. You obviously if you even tried Linux mint, didn't set up something correctly and are using Nvidia graphics card which are notoriously well known to be a pain in the aspirin to get set up properly in the Linux world
I've been using Linux Mint cinnamon since late 2010 across a wide variety of versions and Hardware ranging from the old GTX 580 Nvidia gpu, the r9280x GPU from amd, my now ancient 8800 GT from Nvidia, and AMD RX 580, and my current AMD 7900 XTX and across every single version save for some reasonable improvements via Linux Mint cinnamon desktop, text has looked the same hardware for Hardware pound-for-pound Linux Mint version versus Windows version across all of those years
Out of interest, list the Linux window managers that you tried in Mint where you had this problem. Maybe I can help you resolve them.
@@terrydaktyllus1320> Just default. I like the layout otherwise. Cinnamon is the most similar to the windows interface. It might just be a lack of good hardware its all about 10years from when it was current. Also lack of true type fonts. I know other window managers might look better ,but I need something that works out of the box so I can make regular windows users use it. I can use command lines and scripts without issue just don't want to need to mess with it more than using it.
@@motoryzen. Linux mint does not seem to have true type fonts by default. My NVIDIA drivers work fine for both 3D and hardware accelerated video on my GT710 GK208 2GBDDR5. I just need a GPU for 2D and it works fine in windows. Changed color profiles a bit and it helped. Thanks for the feedback guys.
Recall is the future. I hate to admit it but what it offers is something a lot of people have wanted and will continue to want. Even Linux (Sebastian from LTT) wants to use it. And he knows it's not a good thing security wise, and that he really, really shouldn't use it on any computer he does work on, and yet recall is something that he'd really want to at least try if not use daily. The problem with recall is that's it can turn into a security nightmare and that MS shouldn't be trusted. But the tech and the idea are something that make a lot of sense to the vast majority of people.
It's unwise to pretend this will not be the future or that the security issues this has will stop people moving in this direction. This is something people actually want. People always do what's more convenient and let's not beat around the bush. This is convenient. For people who don't understand how markets work and think them only using Firefox on account of it not being based on chromium is doing something to stop FF's death this might seem ridiculous, but if you understand how markets and people operate Recall is a no brainer. The real reason we all have a problem with this is because it's coming from MS. But a computer that remember what you did so it can help you track back your steps - especially for Joe Average? This will be the future and honestly, if MS adopts this, moving to linux if linux doesn't get something similar might become close to impossible in as little as 10 years. People like to pretend like beeing able to get the same result from Darktable, Gimp or Inkscake as you can from Adobe products is enough, but for most pros it's not just a matter of doing things differently, but one of creature comforts, UI and UX. There isn't a pro out there that will move to Darktable as it stands today and there are no pros that have extensive use of Illustrator that will ever move to Inkscape. Even Gimp, that's the closes to Photoshop is not something most pros would move to because of the extremely bad UI and UX. Now imagine that but at the OS level. There were already articles about the generation that grew up with smartphones in their hand and not PCs having to be taught how to save a file in their first year of college. Can you imagine how someone that grew up with a useful copilot trying to move to linux and being told that not only isn't there a copilot equivalent but if they want to look up something they found previously they'll have to dig in different parts of the OS and the programs they used at the time to look of their history? They will go back to windows that very instant.
I get it, there are security concerns, but... ATMs are still using Windows XP around the globe, do you really think Joe Average is going to care? Joe Average has an iPhone made by laborers worked so hard they try committing suicide so often nets had to be put in place to stop them from dying. He wears T-shirts that costs pennies on the dollar to manufacture in some south Asian country you probably never heard of. Joe average will not care. Some governments might care, and armies and security forces might care. And some corporations might care. But even if they do, at most a law will be passed ensuring this data can never leave the computer it was created on. This kind of recall is actually useful. The guy that goes watching a Disney movie that thanks Uighur concentration camps in China isn't going to care. So please don't pretend like this is an actually big deal.
You might be complacent enough to believe it is your future, but you don't speak for the vast majority of people be if any percentage of them are idiots. I've already switched to Linux 100% around 4 years ago and there's not a single damn thing that you nor micro crap can do about that
@@motoryzen I've switched to linux 100% 5 years ago. But that doesn't mean I'm ignorant of the world I actually live in. Less than 3% of the world's population uses linux on their laptops and desktops. And yet half the worlds population uses linux in the form of android that fools like you pretend isn't "real" linux. People don't want free or open source software. And they don't want that because they're not coders. They don't know how to program so they don't care about source availability and that kind of stuff. They use watever is most familiar, cheaper or convenient. And people are more than willing to pay for convenience.
Fosstards like you like to pretend like there will ever be this great revolution where the masses will move to linux. Never going to happen. You know why? Because android showed that people are more than willing to use linux - more than half of the world uses it after all - and yet fosstards like you like to pretend like it's not linux. People want convenience, not free and open source software. If that convenience comes in the form of free and open source software people are going to use it and if it comes in the form of closed source propitiatory software they are still going to use it.
I am talking about the majority, the vast, vast majority of people that will never move to desktop linux because most suck distros are made by programmers for programmers, fosstards and privacy focused individuals.
MS through recall has created something people are not just going to want but love using. Something that you can't just replicate though open source like the open recall project thinks they can because it needs an AI that actually parse all that data. An AI that while can run on a phone, will need supercomputers to train. It doesn't matter why people like you or me moved to linux over the past half a decade, once this feature becomes ubiquitous moving to linux will become close to impossible for non coders. To not have a working recall system will make computers close to unusable for most people.
You know how I can be so certain? Because collage students had to be taught how to save files despite growing with smartphones in their hands. And I'm being literal here. An entire generation has grown up without having to ever manually save, so when they encountered a cad program where they had to manually save and weren't told to do so they ended up loosing their projects and the teacher had to realize that she now had to tell this generation how and where to save files. The verge had an article on this problem in 2021 and the teachers and professors who had noticed the problem did so first in 2017. People want convenience and once they have it they quickly realize they are more than willing to pay for it and that people that do not offer them the creature comforts they are used to are not worth their time.
You know how else I know I'm right? Look at cars. My dads generation knew how to fix a car, my generation might or might not, this generation now? even if they had any interest in learning, you can't fix a modern car without access to software from the vendor, software you are never getting access to. And the only people who are actually complaining are the farmers who have to be able to fix their tractors. Car manufacturers are making newer cars harder to fix and the only people that notice are the people that still try to learn how their cars operate and small shop mechanics that have to. But nobody that buys those cars cares.
Just because you care you shouldn't assume everybody else does, especially when you can go out of your internet bubble and see how the people around you actually use their computers, smartphones, smart TVs and so on. I'd tell you to go touch grass but I actually know how narlly grass can be so I'm just going to tell you to go talk to people in real life, people who don't think the government is up to get them and who don't work in tech.
I'm sorry. I can't continue writing this comment due to laughing hysterically. It always happens when anyone suggests that Linus Tech Tips should be held up as an example of tech behaviours to emulate.
As far as I know, the bloke just makes lots of money shilling hardware to self-entitled gamer brats - and good luck to him, but lets not pretend he adds any technical value to any discussion.
@@marmadukemontague4081 Considering the number of linux youtubers that brought threadripper I wouldn't throw stones at him.
@@AlucardNoir Other Linux RUclipsrs buying Threadrippers is no concern of mine - they can do as they please.
One reason I use Linux (and have been using it for many years now) is because I can run my own builds on older hardware anyway.
Threadrippers are for self-entitled gamers that think modern AAA games are great - I think they are bland, boring and derivative. Nothing I play is less than around 15 years old, so Linux plays all my games anyway and I don't even need any of NVIDIA's overpriced and proprietary rubbish either.
Gamers can be gamers, I could care less what they do with their Threadrippers.
microsoft lost all my respect the tiny sliver they had they will still do it but now itll be hidden in the code somewhere f microsoft
Ahhh still just bitter Windows content on the so called "Linux" channel.
Imagine a Windows channel that just spent all its time crying over Linux?
Why you are still obsessed with Windows OS if you already switch to Linux, because of clicks or what ? And for end who cares because you switch to Linux crap ?
Because he has opinions and freedom of speech?
@@BlueSparkzVideos but almost all Linux fans obsessed with Windows, they make negative campaign about Win or MS, why if they use "best, free, powerful, better" OS ???
@@Fojony1985 We are trying to inform and assist poorly-informed computer users as to the mistakes they are making when it comes to not caring about their privacy and supporting Microsoft. Such people should show more gratitude for the fact that we care about them.
Out of interest, if you don't care for Linux yourself, why are you commenting in a channel called "Switched to Linux"?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I rally don't care but I will comment any videos like this one ,you should know that some users does not have free time for free Linux, about privacy I hope you don't use mobile phone or I'm wrong? Hope that Android and iOS care about your privacy lol.
All this BS which Linux users tried to do is just make all Windows users to go away from Linux, you need different strategy.
You must not have watched the video...