How to: Quickly Thin Paint to Spray Through a HVLP Gun
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Lets thin some paint for a HVLP spray gun.
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The inline water filter is always great to have but not as big a deal with latex, if it were a oil base then most def use one. As for thinning latex paint and primer its not always a good idea to thin latex paint to much, some paints it will drastically shorten the life span plus other issues. Most latex paints shouldnt be thinned the same as oil based paints. Kilz and zinser primer's are designed to be used as is and can be thinned some, but over thinning will negate the effectiveness of the paint. You are using that cheap harbor freight gun that comes with a 1.3 or 1.4 mm fluid tip, that is not ideal for latex paint and primer. I wouldnt use anything less than a 1.8 to 2.0 mm fluid tip for latex unless the paint is specifically designed to be thinned that much.
I have always wanted to try painting my room with acrylic paint, using a 2.5mm nozzle.
Do you think it works?
Thank you very much for the information.
wouldnt you want to mix the paint before you poured it out of the gallon? how many solids did you leave behind?
Not mentioned in the video but is very important: Follow the paint manufacturer's thinning recommendations. Zinsser says thin no more than 10% water (3 ounces per quart). Scuff-X and Advance are no more than 2 ounces per quart.
Most importantly, too much water has adverse implications for paint integrity, stain blocking, and final sheen.
[ps. I always measure my components before mixing so that I know what ratio works well and what doesn't. ]
Yeah and with materials such as MDF that are very porous (just like drywall), some people talk about expansion from the water happening in their experience. For painted rooms this is not as much of a concern, but with fresh drywall you would definitely not want to use too much water.
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Shouldn't you mix the paint in the original can first BEFORE pouring it into the mixing can?
Only if you want the color to match the paint chip. ;-)
@@JasonHoningford ...Paint chip?.....he's mixing primer.......
I was about to say the same
I thought the same too. Should always mix first so the ingredients are evenly mixed before adding water to any amount. Also, I would never mix into a dirty paint can (it had dried paint inside). It can contaminate your paint (I guess the filter would resolve that problem, but why create the problem to begin with).
@Moon Pie - Yes you're right. Sometimes you use what you have. I did see his comment about mixing before he shot the video after I wrote my comment.
Awesome Video!!!!! Right to the point!!!! Perfect!!! No Stupid Irritating Music!!!!
Thank You So Much!!!!
ummm... Why do you link HVLP gun from Amazon ($139.99) when you clearly show a Harbor Freight (PURPLE) HVLP gun which sells for $15? Sorry... credibility went out the window for me!
He gets a cut from Amazon.
You know, I first learned this 36 years ago on automotive lacquer and enamel paints, didn't know anyone else used the technique other than me and the old guy that showed it to me.
Good vid bro you should of mentioned stirring the can of primer before transferring into another can
Eh cause everything is sitting on bottom, all the solids lol.
I was thinking the same
@@waitemc 0p
You lost me when you left the heavier particles in the original can and then mixed the lighter/thinner material from the top of the can.
I mixed it up prior to the shoot. Guess I'll get it right next time! :)
will thinning with water effect the sheen? will the thinned satin still match the paint that wasn't thinned ?
Shouldn't you have mixed the primer up before pouring it into the empty can? Otherwise, you leave the settled portion crucial for a proper mix remaining in the original can.
Exactly!
Great video. I am spraying cabinets doors for my RV reno. Using HVLP gun.
👍🏻💥 How did you Doris come out?What did you have to do? I'm getting ready to spray my kitchen cabinet doors, Using kills original primer, Is dinner oil base enamel, It's going to take a lot of testing. I look forward to hear from you bye for now, Ken
I'm using a Jarbor F 3:58 reight spray gun, I'm gonna use kills original, This is oil base.I'm not sure if it can be thin the same,? Guess it's gonna be a lot of testing.Thanks for sharing. My channel has lots of tile videos with working et cetera. Hope to see you there
The question wasn’t loaded at all
I’d already using Floetrol at the recommended 3:1 (paint to flo) ratio, would you still recommend 5-10% distilled water? Or just the Floetrol?
I use the reg blue windshield wiper fluid to thin my latex to be shot through hvlp. seems to flow a little better then plain h2o
Nice. The paint should also slide off the surface of whatever you're painting a little better too.
Paints are constantly being changed and advanced every year. You really need to know everything put into that wiper fluid is compatible with the newer paints. That is a old timer trick that I dont think alot of knowledgeable professionals would tell you to go mixing into any latex paint you come across
I'm surprised you don't measure the water you're using. It seems that a lot of the new hybrid primer and paints only recommend diluting with 8-10 oz of water per gallon, max. Some don't advise any solution. I recently sprayed 80 cabinet doors with Smart Prime after diluting by 20% water in order to run through my HVLP and now I'm having adhesion issues. Seems like these new hybrids require airless sprayers instead of HVLP.
So the 1.4mm fluid tip was sufficient to spray out thinned latex paint? Some people say that the tip should be drill to 2mm so that enough paint can flow. Thanks for the video and God Bless
Thanks for the video. I just broke down and bought a 3 turbine HVLP system so from what I can tell I won't need to reduce the paint this much. Problem with reducing the paint down so far is that is can actually change the color or tint of your paint.
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That's a Harbor Freight Tools $9.99 spray gun - why mislead folks by sending them to amazon?
Because Amazon associated links give him a kickback if people but from his link
Because more then one place sells shit........
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Because there are not harbor freight stores every where and if you order from harbor freight online they charge high for shipping..
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Good video. Question; why wouldn't you mix the paint before you pour it into the other bucket?
You need a viscosity cup. Eyeballing how it runs off a paint stick is ridiculous.
So it's 1/3 h2o to 2/3 paint..try this on my garage this summer.
It would be nice to know what size tip you have on the spray gun and, what air pressure you are spraying with.
Use to paint urethane on cars, the guy that taught me said get it to about the consistency of milk. I think yours is about the same.
They actually make waterborne lacquers and paints designed for this application due to the demand for the most durable finish without all the harmful fumes. I have experimented thinning all types of paint to spray and almost always revert back to a basic rule. Use the right tool for the job so you only have to do it once. The video was great but it is better to use measuring containers in the process so you don't go past the manufacturer recommended thinning ratios for that particular project. Other than that i used this video to help me judge consistency. Ty!
Why would you not mix before you then to make sure you get all of what's in the paint to paint with !
So what was that disposable paint brush for? Did I mis it?
Doesn't it make sense to mix the paint can before pouring paint into empty can?
You should have mixed the paint before you poured some into the empty can.
Thank you how about oil based paint? Also I have a graco I habe. Graco truecoat 360 are recommending any tip nozzles for cabinet Finnishing ?
I use windshield washer fluid to thin down latex paints and it works great
have you tried using the washer fluid and water combo? Wondering how it comes out
@@ChristopherJones16 Washer fulid is already mostly water.
You used water to thin the paint? I thought that was not a good option because it breaks down the paints medium and affects the quality if the paint?
What would you thin water-based paints with then?
Great information! Now, I'm going to guess that you use paint thinner with oil based paint? I'm also curious as to once you mix it if it stores well? I see that you're also using an expensive HF gun! Ha ha ha! Thanks for posting the video
Oil is so thin already i don't think you need to thin it.
The famous "Purple Gun" is a beast and still used by pro painters even today. Paint Society uses it
No no water use a paint extender like flood much better than water!
Very helpful, thanks for being straight forward
good video this helped. I have same gun harbor freight purple gun, I did the mod to that gun making the tip 2.0 from 1.4, only took 5 minutes to mod the gun for primer.
Is it water based primer? Its already thin enough th spray
Its better when wanting a perfect finish and running it through a hvlp sprayer
thank you, perfect no bs vid reinforcing what i was going to need to do for the project i'm working on.
Hold the stir stick horizontal. When you get 7 drips in a row , your good.
So when using a viscosity cup once all the paint inside de cup goes down in 30-40 secs youre ready to go?
so no stream then? just drips? After the 7 drips does it stream? Does it stream before the 7 drips in a row and still be good to go?
what's going on I like the video you made anyways my question is I have a RexBet I 004 HVLP electric spray gun this is new to me never really messed with a spray gun at all I'm old-fashioned I'd rather use a roller or a paint brush hahaha but anyways I thought I would do something different plan on painting my house does anyone on here know anything about these paint guns someone told me not to use water with paint only paint thinner
This is an old question but others may need this info. Your paint can will always tell you what to use as a thinner. NEVER use a thinner that is not specifically meant for your coating. Latex paint is generally water or latex additives. I really like the flowtrol product from Flood. I have used it forever and most pro painters I know use it as well. Other oil base paints have their own thinners.
Please read the can.
Do not trust the clerk at the paint store. Check it yourself before you leave the store.
I have been spraying automotive paint for years, but it never really occurred to me to spray latex with an HVLP gun. So I built a cabinet I needed for the basement, and figured I'd give it a try. I wasn't about to use my Sata or Tenka copper.... Those guns are over $600 each... So I used an old ass Harbor Freight purple gun that I had set aside for my old lady to use on her projects. I was actually pretty surprised at how well you can spray with properly thinned latex.... It works a lot better than my airless which always seems to gum up at the tip no matter what I do to the paint. Probably the only downfall is that you really need to take the gun completely apart and clean everything thoroughly. Then dry it and let everything sit before lube & reassembly.
But it works amazingly well. Far easier than spraying Lacquer or base coat. Any amateur can get nice results. Works great.
"It works a lot better than my airless which always seems to gum up at the tip no matter what I do to the paint."
Thats a common and really normal Problem. I go through 500 KG (roughly 1100 punds) of Paint a Day at work. The Airless System gums up at the tip all the Time. I need to put it into the cleaning apparatus several times a day just to get rid of that Problem.
Interestingly about 10 Years ago i worked in Asbestos Removal. And at the end you have to spray a Latex coating there too. To bidn the "leftover fibres". Problem we had back then was in the hight of tha tIndustrial Hall. And that no scaffolding was possible. So we sprayed that using an High Pressure Cleaner. Worked really well. But i wouldnt recommend it. We basically destroyed 2 before we had the right mixture.
I must have a bum HF gun. I watched this today and tried shooting some simple thinned ceiling paint ( the cheapest thinnest paint I own) its like painting with an airbrush at best... I cannot get the pattern nor the volume to work correctly...... and Id like to use this to paint my interior doors.
I tried at 40psi. 60psi etc... No luck. I get maybe a 2 inch spray pattern tops, nice and clean but it would take weeks to paint anything larger than a tv tray.
@@DHodges187 im not sure how your paint is thinned or at what pressure, but I sprayed thinned Valspar at 35 psi and it worked fantastic. I suppose it couldd be the gun... I always disassemble mine afyer every use and clean out everything especially the nozzle.
Sounds to me like the paint isnt thin enough yet. I used regular tap water but you can try windshield washer fluid too.
Will the latex lay as flat and smooth as lacquer?
@@zacschmelzer8487 I suppose it would matter what kind of gun you use, and what pressure. Ive sprayed lacquer and its easy to mess it up. I messed up a few things before I learned how to use it. This sprays easy. Try it on aome scrap first, but if you have everything set right and your thinned right the paint lays nice and flat. Very easy t9 do.
Does this only work with latex paints? Or can you use it with other types?
Water won't work with oil-based paints
Evil Kermit says "put the water in the oil-based paint"
Should I filter the paint before I thin it??
Great video man! I followed your instructions to a T, my doors turned out great.
Thanks for the tip. About to use our HVLP for the first time. Which is better do you think, gravity feed or siphon?
Depends on what you want to do. I work in the Industrial field (Pylons, Punp Skid Units etc.).
Gravity Feed is great for almost everything. Constant flow of Paint and great ergonomic. But it has one disadvantage the siphon can do really great.
Lets say you want to take care of the underbody of an Car. You will stand below it and the way you hold the Pistole the gravity feed ones will only work for about half the cup they have. Because you have to spray upwards and hold it in a way that most of the Paint remains in it.
The siphon doesnt have that Problem. Thats why i took the underbody example. There are special underbody Pistols and they all are siphon ones.
Or an example from my Work. The Pump Skid Unit is basically a huge plattform for an Pump. On top and the sides the Gravity feed one works. But the underside? Thats basically 65 square Feet. Needing an 80µm primer (zinc Dust), an 80µm yellow and on top of that the 80µm gray the customers demand.
Gravity Feed makes me go crazy there. The back and forth is annoying.
What pressure were you using in the video 40 psi? 60 psi? What size tip is recommended for latex in a gravity fed gun? Thx
You already lost me. You should have mixed the primer before you poured it.
Pouring water in your paint and you are worried about some moisture in the air?
athhud he was mixing primer buddy.
It is water based so no problem there you don't want water in one big particle or not mixed in with paint
Why don't you use a viscosity cup while thinning? That way you won't have to guess nor use your experience.
Trying to keep it simple. Most people don't have a viscosity cup, like myself.
Small investment from Amazon so that you get repeatable results. For 10 bucks or less for the plastic ones.
If you are spraying every day, may not need one, but if it's been a while, hard to remember exactly what the dribble is supposed to look like.
Or, grab a small measuring cup from the kitchen, and drill a hole in it. As long as you are using the same cup all the time for your measurement, it doesn't have to conform to any particular standard.
@@moderndiy3290 plastic measuring cup from the Dollar store works.
Rustolium paint is oil base. I would assume u thin this paint w mineral oil product. Is that correct? Thank u Tim
I prefer acetone with a tbsp of Japan dryer. It dries quicker than mineral spirits.
robert merrill thank u for the suggestion
Mix the paint in the first bucket first so that when you pour into the next bucket all the settled solids come with it.
You are supposed to mix before you pour into the empty can to make sure your pigment is blended well. If you need more, it may be off color or thicker than you intended. Im sure you know this, just forgot to tell us.
Bingo! First thing I thought of. And I hate to paint.
That was primer, so color isn't an issue.
Never heard of adding water.. always heard acetone.
Or thinners..
Mix before u pour me thinks
Not too much, very precise
Noticed a mistake. The paint should of been mixed before it was add to the empty can.
“should have”….
Did you mess with the tip
thanks that was very helpful i well tray it soon big hi from Egypt
Thanks for this. Wish I watched it before attempting. My paint was way too thin and I had to sand it all off again.
Why could you not leave the paint on, then paint some more?
Why wouldn't you mix the paint/primer BEFORE you put in the empty can? That doesn't seem like a wise thing to do.
So that 6lb air compress worked ?
Sound is shit, good info though
I used a sprayer for the first time today. Added water tonthin it out. Sprayed the wall and a 1000 runs. Wasnt happy. Out came the roller quickly. Any tips
I am private labelling blank circular blades, I have a small air brush gun, WHAT is the best kind of Paint to use? I'm searching and thus far this is the closest I've gotten. When I first brainiac'd this idea, I used just spray paint to get an idea, however fingerprints were left, it's like it never dried, hence my request fo you guys. ANY advice would be appreciated, sincerely.
U cant tell how thick it is it wasnt mixed before you poured it the primer separates from sitting you already fucked the primer before you started chuck it and get a new can
Is the same procces with latex paint?
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Should have mixed paint before pouring it into the mixing can. 😮
You used the portercable 6gal pancake compressor?
How long can you paint for before it runs out of air. I was purchasing that to paint the hood of my car. Do you think it'd work out?
Linh Le how long is like asking how long a piece of string is. To paint a car hood 6gal should be ok. Bigger than that not so much.
@@bigpicturethinking5620 Lynn beat me to it. I was just looking at a 6-gallon Porter-Cable and paint setups at Harbor Freight the other day and they told me that anything less then something around a 20 gallon capacity would be a waste of time, so instead I bought the $30 electric gun. Actually wanted to paint the walls of a garage and so I just want to make it throw the maximum amount of paint, but if I could have done it with the 6 gallon pancake I would have sunk a whole bunch of money that day into air-powered tools, so perhaps it's just as well.
Should have stirred before dumping into empty can first.
I see you prefer the scientific methodical approach. Is that an imperial or metric ‘dribble’?
Thats an Imperial Dribble sir. :)
Modern DIY .... 1965! A year that will live in infamy for ever when in Britain, metrication was formally endorsed by the government. I mean what was confusing about the Acre, Barrel (unit), British thermal unit, Bushel, Chain (unit), Chaldron, Cubic foot, Cubic inch, Cubic mile, Cubic yard, Cup (unit), Degree (angle), Demiard, Dram (unit), Fahrenheit, Fluid ounce, Foot (unit), Foot-candle, Foot-pound (energy), Foot-pound, Foot-poundal, Furlong, Gallon, Gill (unit), Grain (unit), Gunter's chain, Hand (unit), Hogshead, Hoppus, Horsepower, Horsepower-hour, Hundred (unit), Hundredweight, Inch, Ksi (unit), League (unit), Mile, Miles per hour, Minim (unit), Ounce, Peck, Pint, Pound (mass), Pound (force), Pound-foot (torque),Poundal, Pounds per square inch, Quart, Rod (unit), Rood (unit), Ship load, Slug (unit), Span (unit), Spinning count, Square foot, Square inch, Square mile, Square yard, Stone (unit), Stuck (unit), Tablespoon, Teaspoon, Thousandth of an inch, Ton, Long ton, Trade gallon, Twenty-foot equivalent unit?
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Just buy the cup gun with the 1.8 tip you won't have to thin the paint soo much that gun is s 1.4 and made for clear coat automotive paints
Why in the world would you use an air/water separator when spraying a WATER based paint? Don't want any extra moisture in the paint?
Hmm, bit slack in your approach. How about mixing all the paint in the original tin before tipping into the second tin. Also, you are just guessing on how much water to add. A better approach would be what can be seen in this video, (ruclips.net/video/FwJ12W_5Aig/видео.html) which by the way, is not my video.
Great refresher on what right looks like. Thanks for taking the time to put this together & especially for staying on point.
Easy People Mix With Water The Water Based Or Thinner With Oil Based ...Pass In The Paint Filter 1 Pint or 16 oz With 60 Seconds...That’s All.
Stupid question... does the water change the color?
Thanks for showing us how it’s done & especially for the links. One stop shop, so to speak. Much appreciated.
How about oil base primers? Can you spray them through HLVP gun using same method?
"Clog your tip"
Anyone know the DIN4 viscosity cup measurement for zinsser 123?
Good advice. I've sprayed both lacquer and water based products and found that the "latex" paint was much harder to clean out of the gun than the lacquer. Do you recommend having a separate gun for each? I use LVLP for lacquer and it does real well. Do you think HVLP is better for latex (my broad term for water-based paints. I know they've got a lot of stuff in them that isn't latex.)
If you spray water through a paint gun without stainless steel components it will eventually rust
It would be best to mix the master can , paint only, and then pour it into your use can and add water, then remix.
wish you would of thinned paint not primer. I am new to hlvp and you left questions about paint. good vid though.
Your explanation of how to thin latex to the proper consistency for spraying is golden. Thank you!
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Should' ve mix the paint first before pouring it into the empty bucket
But doesn't it matter what type of stage your turbine is ? I stage 5 turbine can spray thicker paint then a 1 stage turbine ?
i used the paint filter from hb to check the viscosity.
thanks for the quick straight to the point video, new sub from me
Hey Brian crazy to see a video of your before the revolution!
Mix before pouring into the other can.
In my younger days we only paint latex to concrete. Is this the same thing?