Pride & Prejudice (1995) - First Proposal
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- These days, I watched again Pride & Prejudice, taking particular attention to the 1980's (not 1979, as I wrote in the opening) version. The first proposal is, for me, the part that defines if you're a good Darcy/Elizabeth. For that reason, I'm putting the three sequences (1980/1995/2005) for a better comparison. I love this version, Colin Firth is the best Mr. Darcy in my opinion, even knowing that this version gave more space to Darcy than any other. In the proposal sequence, Firth shows all the love, anguish and contradiction that are dueling inside the character. This makes all difference. Jennifer Ehle is very good too, showing confusion, anger, everything mixed. I love both of them.
Esses dias, eu assisti novamente Pride & Prejudice, tendo especial atenção à versão de 1980 (não 1979, como escrevi na abertura). A primeira proposta é, para mim, a parte que define se você é um bom Darcy/ Elizabeth. Por esse motivo, estou colocando as três seqüências (1980/1995/2005), para uma melhor comparação. Eu amo a versão com o Colin Firth, que é o melhor Mr. Darcy, na minha opinião, mesmo sabendo que essa versão deu mais espaço para Darcy do que qualquer outra. Na seqüência da proposta, Firth mostra todo o amor, contradição e a angústia que estao duelando dentro da personagem. Isso faz toda a diferença. Jennifer Ehle é muito bom também, mostrando raiva, confusão, tudo misturado. Eu amo os dois.
Darcy: * Insults her and her family to her face, says he loves her against his will *
Elizabeth: * rejects him *
Darcy: * shocked Pikachu face*
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THE BEST. Balanced, nuanced, restrained yet passionate, and above all- superbly acted. The pauses say as much as the words.
A real work of art, this.
Watched this scene many times but took that many. . . Or maybe more? To see his many nuanced acting choices! Superb acting!
Probably a good thing Mrs. Bennet didn’t find out this. She would have had a heart attack upon hearing that her daughter, who had already refused one proposal, had refused yet another one, and from an extremely wealthy and handsome man, no less.
There would not be enough smelling salts in the world for that.
Will nobody think of her nerves?! 😂
I love Lizzy's expression when she turns around at 5:22. It's like she just drops any pretence of being civil or trying to spare his feelings - like she's thinking "You want a fight, Darcy? Well, it is ON."
True... The fight was ON, and Darcy could only have wished he hadn't gone there, cause she pretty much dragged him thru the mud in the most brutal manner, with such force and pointed words, finally calling him "un-manly" in his demeamor and ways. He was practically emasculated in a matter of seconds. She pretty much left him with his guts torn to pieces. He couldn't have picked a worst fight... against the one he loves, a fight he was only destined to lose, in the most horrible manner.
One would think Mr. Darcy was proposing to a trash can here
How not to propose to a lady...
Or alternatively how not to get rejected
Darcy treated this proposal like a compliment sandwich…
Thank you for posting the whole scene. Darcy’s minute long silence as he tries to swallow the pumping heart that is in his throat before he can speak is what makes this scene one of the greatest performances OF ALL TIME
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Well, this is how it was described in the books! Darcy was nasty in this scene, for sure. And Lizzie raging. Remember, we are talking about early 1800s, people behaved even in these tense situations! The 2005 version is more "modern". It speaks to us, but I think it was, in fact, what we see here.
Can you blame Lizzy's reaction? I'd say she was restrained.
"I love you despite the many reasons I shouldn't, which I will now outline in great and tedious detail."
Very Mr. Collins of him
“The mode of your declaration merely spared me any concern I might have felt in refusing you, had you behaved in a more gentlemanlike manner.” *Ouch!!*
Is it sad that I can recite this whole scene word for word? Probably. But I have adored and watch this version since it was first broadcast in 1995/96. It really is almost word for word the book brought to stunning life.
Colin Firth was, and probably always will be, my favorite Darcy, and Jennifer Ehle my favorite Lizzie. That said though, I also really love the actors in the modern Lizzie Bennett Diaries version as well, who are in a solid second place behind Firth and Ehle.
No it is a good sign. I bought the dvd so I can too.
Me too😉
Hey, I only used this series for months as my going to sleep pill. So, no, it's not bad. I can pretty much recall each coming scenery almost frame by frame ha ha
Join the club
This is a literal PIECE OF ART !!!
the best version ever ♥
Darcy is insulting Elizabeth on every level yet in the same breath expects her to say yes to marrying him. Even if he was from high-borne lines & filthy rich, what an awful day upon day existence it would have been for her if indeed he remained unchanged in his arrogant (ignorant) mindset. Thankfully he managed to turn his attitude around & opened his eyes & heart before it was way too late for any possible reconciliation
Erica: but I feel that had she accepted - at any time now or in the future, at any quarrel he will bring up her lowly position and his regret at having married her The book ends with a happy marriage, but I doubt it will last long in harmony ...
Elizabeth is the hero of this movie. She changed a Proud Man like Darcy. JEEZ!
What a scene! Man, never gets old!
Me every time I listen to his lines " could you expect me to rejoice in the inferiority of your connections", nooooooo Darcy, you're shiting it!!!!! 😂
It's a great interpretation. He's hostile towards her for putting him in the position of making him love her.
My response, if I were Elizabeth: "You do me great honor, sir. With my father's estate entailed away from the female line, my position is pitiable indeed. Though your manners are filled with contempt, I have no choice but to accept lest I should be turned out to starve in the hedgerow upon my father's estate passing to the next male heir. I accept your proposal, persuaded by your excellent condition in life and the fortunate alliance it would bring to me and my family."
Love it! 😂
True….😜😜😜
Had a good laugh! Loved it!
Even though he ended your sisters engagement with the love of her life? Or would you attempt to fix that/him after marriage and just hope that would work out too. If it does not, youve married someone who thinks you and your loved ones beneath him. Otherwise you'd need to keep a rather large secret from your beloved sister, allthough Jane is sweet enough, she might forgive you anyway and understand.
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How not to propose a lady 101
(By - Fitzwilliam Darcy)😂🤣
@xocloudy On the contrary, I'm always surprised to see someone prefering any other Darcy to Colin Firth's one.
Where are all the films similar that have array of emotions so well articulated? Keeps your mind stimulated
"It was most unconsciously done" 😆
4:12 love Darcy's facial reactions when he hears about Wickham. He's like "Seriously, that guy? Again? Why does he always have to show up at the worst moments to ruin my life?"
Mr. Darcy love Lizzy so much he's so Loyal and changed for her 😂❤
Jane Austen, wonderful woman. Austen died a spinster. I don't think Mr Darcy is just a fictional character. Jane Austen modelled Mr Darcy on someone she loved, was enamored with. She carried, nourished emotions in her bosom, subdued emotions, love pain desire unfulfilled longing
@emmers57 I can never picture ANYONE calling him anything but "Darcy". I mean, even Bingley, his best friend, calls him Darcy. (You could say they're just being formal but I'm pretty sure Darcy calls him Charles at least once.) His own parents probably called him Darcy as a baby, LOL. (With a name like Fitzwilliam, I don't blame him. What a mouthful! I suppose he could go by Fitz or Will, but he doesn't really seem like the nickname type.)
Nacha255 lol he seems like the type to get angry if you call him a nickname.
She is my favorite Jane ever. She's so awesome.
Jane Eyrie
Jane Eyre
Lizzie
But when she saw Pemberley oh my how she changed her mind. :)
That was also the occasion of his meeting her aunt and uncle, and that changed HIS mind about the quality of Lizzie's connections.
I mean it is a lady’s prerogative to change her mind and who can blame her!
He's so awkward lol
Noticed that time, literally, stood still! The minute hand on the clock never budged …
The best version of Pride & Prejudice ever. Where can I get the complete episodes? Really want to watch.
Notice the clock at 00:37 --It reads six: seventeen...then look at 4:38 the clock still reads six: seventeen a full four minutes of screen time has passed but the clock never moved!
Mr. Darcy: You and your family are cr4p but I love you
This is the best move or the best book Jane Austin wrote!!!
I wonder if the servants heard 😂
This one is closer to the book, but I do love the added passion in the Matthew MacFayden version. Also, the two leads interact more in that version, which I like as well. I do not see MacFayden as timid in the film as you do. I see him as superior until he starts to feel for her, in which case he appears more careful in his dealings with her, more vulnerable. In this version, Jennifer Ehle does not seem that surprised and much too composed in her initial reaction to this proposal, which is supposed to come at such a shock. I do not eve get a sense that she is working hard to compose herself.
MarieMale - it's Olde England. She's supposed to be composed. Notice how she doesn't utter a sound while Darcy paces and squirms at the beginning of the scene. She let's him speak first. I saw the 2005 version. WAY too modern. Common English spoken, and they fight like a 21st century couple. Plus, they needed to make it take place in a rain storm for effect, outside, in dramatic setting, while this scene takes place inside, in a quiet room. Tension and drama comes purely from the brilliant acting.
@@pauldevito7476 That is a problem in the 2005 version. A woman from that time period wouldn't be yelling at a gentleman during a failed proposal. It would be seen as highly inappropriate or even hysterical behaviour that would make her and her family look bad. It's one reason why Mrs. Bennet and Lydia's behaviour so shames the family.
@@pauldevito7476 it's mentioned and stressed in the book that his proposal was such a shock to her, especially after having known what his cousin had told her, that it took her some time to be able to regain serenity before he was finished talking
Couldn't say it better myself!
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😨Oh...lawdy! Talk about being roasted!! 😂😃
Droiture et dignité ! Elisabeth , qui est pauvre , est prête à renoncer à l'union avec le riche Darcy dont la mentalité est détestable . Elle a le courage de le repousser et de lui dire ses vérités . Scène sublime , admirablement jouée par Jennifer Ehle . Jean Linakis
I love the way he thinks that she hasn't given a valid reason for refusing him, after he just insulted her and her family to her face.
finally someone who shares the same opinion with me.
Thank you!
Мне от таких сцен всегда так же неловко, как и действующим лицам🥹 наверное, это и есть показатель хорошего фильма
Wow, she slammed him hard.
He didn't take her out for a Chinese or a Curry first. Even I know that requirement.
Given her family situation and the social standards of the time, and while I know it worked out in the end, it seems rather unwise to have rejected him.
It was, of course. As obnoxious as Mr. Collins' proposal was, he was right that her small fortune would make future proposals unlikely. But Elizabeth was so committed to marrying for the right reasons that she was willing to forego all that Darcy could have done for her and her family.
Remember that at this moment she thought he was pretty much evil. Not to say that she wasn’t stubborn to begin with, but most reasonable people wouldn’t sell their lives to someone with supposed pathological tendencies, even for £10,000/year.
So that he treats her like trash?
And why not? Pray tell😊
@judithpeligro5837 Longborn has an entail, and none of the Bennet sisters can be assured of a place in the house, or in any house. Mr Bennet has mishandled the family finances. Jane at this point is unlikely to marry Mr Bingley. Kitty and Mary don't seem to have any particular prospects. Lydia has married in a state of minor scandal, but Mr Wickham, even if he had been what he appeared, was not wealthy.
At this point in the story, her entire family's futures looked to rest on her answer. This was not an era where it was easy to rise in social class.
You are absolutely right!
The audarcity!
Why did they alter the script? Austen's words are perfect. Weird.
He should have stopped at 1:44...
That's because Jane Austen was an INTJ and she wrote Mr. Darcy as an INTJ. INTJs don't struggle with emotions externally like the 2005 showed. Our emotions are internal and we do not like to show them, we want to show that we are in control.
It's supposed to sound rehearsed because we INTJs WILL rehearse the crap out of something important like this. Colin Firth NAILED Mr. Darcy as an INTJ, and to have him be portrayed as anything else is an injustice to Jane Austen and the character.
Elizabeth Bennet was the daughter of a country gentleman and thus came from a privileged background. She would have been used to deference. Consequently, Darcy's frank comments would have really hit home hard.
Mr. Darcy is more privileged than she is, and likely took just as hard, if not a harder, blow.
agreed
Tell me you didn't understand the societal context without telling me.
@Lelablue I've heard! Interesting. I know 1995 stayed true to the book more. I know you said Macfadyen seemed timid, but I read the timidness as anguish and conflict (this is not something he expected to do! he's lived his life orderly and planned). Also, I felt Macfadyen's feelings were more believable partially b/c he wasn't SO hard-faced (I do know some people disliked his softer expression) but still seemed haughty. Just my thoughts. Both Darcys were good; they just had a different spin.
Mcfayden expresses with his eyes while his expression and carriage remains haughty. At Pemberly meeting he softens
1995
I completley agree with you! Though Colin and Ehle did a fantastic job, I love Matthew and Keira. Matthew really made me fall in love with Mr. Darcy and he just had great command on the screen. Loved him!
I like this version of P&P best‼️‼️‼️‼️🫶❤️🧡💚🌻
What does it say, if comparism is mistaken for competition that often? Better, good, worse? Colin Firth gave us another a different Darcy than Matthew MacFadyen. Probably a tad more close to the interpretation of Laurence Olivier. I like Colin Firth a lot, but MacFadyen's Darcy touched me more. The chemistry with Keira Knightely was more passionate. The "non-kiss" at least as impressive as the "wet shirt" scene. When it comes to theatre, movies, books or music it's sometimes a question of taste.
I love that the intention he plays is nausea.
This is what happens in the beginning of an intj infj relationship...give it time. Let intj get the bug out of their @rse and infj will warm up quickly.
Mr Darcy is so rude!!!
I think it was not his intention to have it be taken that way, but it certainly came out that way.
Comment Darcy peut-il faire l'erreur d'ajouter à sa déclaration d'amour des considérations humiliantes pour Elisabeth ??? Cela semble invraisemblable ! L'explication est peut-être que l'orgueilleux Darcy en veut à Elisabeth - et à lui-même !- d'avoir la faiblesse de s'abaisser , car il considère son amour pour Elisabeth comme un abaissement , une atteinte à sa condition sociale . Or l'amour n'est pas un abaissement mais une élévation .Elisabeth , qui est sensible et intelligente , a bien senti la réticence de Darcy et que cette déclaration est viciée par l'orgueil . On est très loin du discours de Roméo : " But soft , what light through yonder window breaks ? It is the east and Juliet is the sun ! " Jean Linakis
C la meilleure interprétation de ce roman
This a series .....so naturally, by having more time, the whole adaptation is closer to the book
The main takeaway is that no matter how rich you are, if you want to win an alpha woman, you have to raise your game
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i prefer the storm scene of 2005, still every movie has its own merit :)
I love both versions for different reasons, but I truly loved these actors' skills.
Χαλεπόν τό μή φιλήσαι . Χαλεπόν δέ και φιλήσαι . Χαλεπώτερον δέ πάντων αποτυγχάνειν φιλούντα ( poème anacréontique ) = Il est dur de ne pas aimer . Il est dur aussi d'aimer . Mais le plus dur de tout , c'est d'être éconduit quand on aime .
He's so cute and nervous..I'm sure he's used to women fall to his feet. But she is a challenge he loves.
Proposing isn't done a right or wrong way,
Youre reducing my friend's
0:33 Would enjoy the Whole Movie
Where can I watch it please?
This is Pride & Prejudice (1995), a BBC Series. I imagine that it is in some streaming, but it's relative easy to find it on line or via torent.
Which episode is this?!
Third episode.
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God guys used to do this on that time too.....😂😂😂
But of course it would be marrying down for him.
Like us, Phili😘😗😍
If we are bound by Austen's novel, I have to say I find Firth's Mr. Darcy a bit too emotional during this scene, and the look in his eyes is always too sweet, which I suppose isn't very acurate novelwise. Yet, he sometimes sounds and looks cold as a fish. Lizzie is a bit too blunt here, she replies too strongly to words that are said in a cold manner. I thought Firth was SO VERY handsome and atractive in this proposal, but now I don't find that. I dislike Ehle's Elizabeth almost as much as Knightleys's one in the 2005' version, and am a Macfadyen's Darcy huge fan.
I like Ehle's Lizzie and McFadyen's Darcy best.
I think Natalie Dormer would have been better with Macfayden than Knightley was. I like Jennifer with Colin.
The one from 2005 is much better. Darcy is not played at all likeable here. The romance and chemistry is just not there.
Because he’s meant to be unlikable here. He proposed but at the same time insulted her family. Lizzy also disliked him even more up until this point because of what he did to Jane and Wickham, so there’s no romance in this scene just like in the book. But it’s the biggest turning point for both to rethink their behavior and also towards each other.
@@feynevan exactly
I do have to feel sorry for Darcy. For as much respect as Lizzie deserves, Mrs Bennet is a piece of work and I would not rejoice on that connection either.
To be fair to Lizzy, Darcy's aunt is just as bad or worse than her mother.
His extended pacing and long efforts to collect himself prove how badly he has it. Poor Mr. Darcy deserved every jab of Elizabeth's sword.
Ehle is superb in this.
This is definitely the best version, I have watched this adaptation time and time again and never fail to enjoy it. It is the most faithful to the book which I think is the most important thing.
I 10000% agree.
Agree!!!
"Highly reprehensible connection" 😂😂 i just cant with you Mr.Darcy
The masterpiece of Colin Firth in this movie. This is a piece of dramatics arts.
Mr.Darcy in agony😊😊😊😊😊
What a marvelous scene!!!
The people responsible for the production of the Hollywood version should be arrested forthwith...
Hollywood hasn't made a P&P adaptation yet. the 2005 version was directed by renown English director Joe Wright.
The best version of Pride & Prejudice ever.
If she was surprised by his proposal (which I believe she was supposed to be) a little bit more facial expression on the part of the actress, would have been appropriate.
I don't think she wanted to give him the satisfaction of showing surprise - would have fed his arrogance.
If you look at her expression after Darcy said “….I admire and love you”, you can see that she was surprised by shifting her eyes down and her mouth was open a little. Subtle yet effective.
4:39 one of my favorite parts🎉❤
Jealous of Mr Wickham. The Cad.
The richest most powerful man in the Countryside.
Ouch. What a fiery reply. What an argument
Here in September 2024. Darcy was a narcissist. 😅
Mr Darcy so Handsome. Why enjoy watching film movie A plus .
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@emmers57 hahaha fitzie! that so ruins the darcy persona.
I am utterly surprised to see people preferring Colin to Macfadyen? I feel 2005 Darcy showed the most emotion and anguish (his stuttered "I love you" showed his conflicted feelings like nothing else) while still maintaining Darcy's practicality and composure. 1995's Darcy's first proposal sounded too "rehearsed" to the point of sounding like Mr. Colin's proposal. Both Lizzies were fine, but again, Knightley portrayed her wit and forceful nature a little more exhuberantly.
The latest version is more romantic, with stuttered words, tremblings and sighs, sugary as a good Hollywood production would be to draw a broader -
above all younger - audience. Make no mistake, the actors are British, the script is as American as it can be.
The 1995 series is more acidic, truer to the books on it's irony and mordacity, not to mention the dialogues. Made for who read and enjoyed the books, exactly on the longer format that allows to explore the book's richness. Besides, it's a British production, by BBC nonetheless, and "Pride and Prejudice" is textbook on Literature classes: you escape a word from it and can expect a lot of frowning.
Fatima Abdullah I think that the portrayal of the two Darcys worked in their respective adaptations. Colin Firth's Darcy wouldn't have worked in the movie, and Macfadyen's Darcy wouldn't have worked in the mini series. Like Colin Firth proposing in the rain in the 1995 version would have been absolutely ridiculous. The movie, since it was a Hollywood film, was made keeping the modern audience in mind. It was more expressive and all. Whereas the mini series, very closely followed the book, thus making its characters not be overly open with their feelings. The film was a dramatised version of P&P. Which was fine. However, this version was far more subtle. And that is the thing with Colin's acting as well. It was according to this version. It wasn't wooden, as some people consider it to be. It was subtle. I think you can make out by my defence of the 1995 version that I am a fan of it, but I liked the 2005 version for what it was. In my opinion, you cannot compare the two. The story was the same, but the manner in which the makers portrayed it was different. It was reflected in everything, especially in the acting of their actors.
But in the book, it does say that Mr. Darcy had long been repressing his feelings, and the way that Jane Austen describes his proposal shows that he has other issues to discuss. He had clearly planned what he would say in advance. The 2005 version might feel more romantic as Hollywood defines romance, but it doesn't resemble the book at all, and that ruins it for me.
Darcy is supposed to be arrogant enough that no matter what he says she will of course accept him bc of his wealth and her situation.
And then she doesn't.
That's the twist.
Darcy is supposed to be cold and even upset at himself that he is in love with a woman so inferior.
That's what makes Colin's version the more realistic one. He isn't pleading. He is commanding.
And she is having none of it.
I think the MacFadyen's proposal [and only the proposal scene] was better, a way more desperate at least, however, there's no better Lizzie than Jennifer's ;)
It was absolutely cringe inducing. This one was much better.
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What a bad choice for Lizzie she deserved be played by a better actress...Jennifer was a dull ,Colin deserved better.
Hardly. The two of them met on set, and had quite the hot affair. They liked each other quite well.
wtf jennifer ehle is a incredible actress, way better than keira knightley too
@@yasmin3677 I think
she's perfect
What are you talking about! Jennifer is the best Elisabeth! She acted very well!
diana brisset The only bad choice is here, to badmouth the acting in this version of Pride and Predudice can only be due to lack of taste and no appreciation of extremely fine acting.