"I just THINK you're guilty!" - Judge Kim Hoover - barked across the bench to me on a criminal damaging case back in 2003. My right to plead not guilty ignored and thrown out a window figuratively speaking. He shouldn't be a judge at all! Hey News 5 Cleveland, come talk to me about that? Then, go after Kimmie Hoover about it; my rights blatantly violated.
Hoover over charges and takes advantage of us guys then he humiliates men in front of their ladies, saying you messed up why cant you man up and pay this in full now
When I worked, this was the practice. In Cuyahoga Falls Municipal Court. I remember well the judges giving the option of jail time in lieu of fines and costs. There is more to this than meets the eye.
Because we are a state run by idiots. Our Attorney General doesn’t even post a legit number on his website. The number he has posted gives the message “this number cannot be completed as dialed”.
I'm not exactly sure what there is to get right? I mean you don't need 18 months to deliberate on. If he's saying you can pay now you don't go to jail. You can't pay. Now you go to jail that doesn't really require 18 months
No, this is NOT about "doing it right". This is about running out the clock, waiting until attention fades, to then brush it all under the rug. This Justice System is corrupt and broken beyond repair.
They finally caught up with the judge he’s horrific if I didn’t have any money when I came to court he was putting me in jail I was going back to court for court cost on a M1 for a year until I told him I dnt have nothing for u he locked me up for 7days and another judge let me go saying u shld have been gone he shld be off the bench he did every defendant like tht
It's not like the necessary laws don't exist: 18USC242 and 18USC241. The problem is, the constitutional courts and DOJ (regardless of party affiliation) are in on the corruption.
The news announcer said that when the judge collects fines from the public that it helps the public? And that we are not burdened by the money the public owes the public. Her statement doesn’t make sense.
The notion of a "justice system" or "department of Justice" in the USA is LONG dead!!! What we have is a "legal system" or "system of courts". And although few will actually admit it openly, the final outcome of one's case(s) is largely determined by one's ability to pay, or more specifically: the amount one is able to pay. First and foremost: for a lawyer Whether or not one is found guilty (and actually few cases make it to trial, otherwise the entire system would collapse due to the sheet number of cases), the amount one spends on their lawyer will in most cases closely correlate with a favorable outcome. And the more impoverished one is, the more painful & expensive they can expect their outcome to be...
I must, however, say a word to the judge's voters. It is you who have voted for this man for years without ever having informed yourself about this man. That's what it's all about in the first judge elections. No candidate is really known, so we're just making a random choice.
This slap on the wrist amounts to nada since “Hoover would have been ineligible to run for judge again in 2025, when his term was to expire, because he turned 70 this year.”.. in other words the courts waited and delayed this since 2021 for so long to where NOW he’s essentially aged out.. Nice work Ohio..
If you have ever commented on judges for not being tough enough on crime, you really shouldn't be commenting on this story. Now that one is people are complaining he is too tough.
The reason why he's still on the bench sovereign citizen immunity the fees is administrative administrative is conflict of interest of the Constitution bill of attainer ex post facto
Hoover has been doing this for at least a couple of decades now, he increases fines and costs to pay for his courthouse, he used to openly brag about it. Fines and costs at most other municipalities totaling approx $400 are about $1600-$2000 with judge Hoover He bragged he didn't use taxpayer money for his courthouse. Dig deeper and you will find Hoover has been padding his pockets too
PS nobody reached the Constitution and operate always in hearsay and ask an attorney's for a legal advice she can pay them for them to ignore the Constitution to get the people to come back and pay them some more
Barely human masquerading as a judge squeezing money from people. He should be disbarred and serve some time. No keep you money judge. But you won’t need it in prison you thief.
@GhostRider-dp2tc Amazing how many people think that directly viilating the law and basic civil rights by doing 1 of the main reasons those that rebeled from the king in England. Debters prison is a crime in violation of the law and the constitution that was written to prevent this exactly from happening, yet you are the reason it is continuing to be used to abuse people. Just stop supporting criminal actions done in your name by the government you defend.
This judge works for and is suppose to serve people , he is not there to groom his own ego, or too intimidate threaten or even lecture defendants. He is biased against addicts and the poor , dont believe check his sentencing record it does not lie. You come from money judge hard ass here suddenly softens like butter on a counter, but come from the wrong side of the tracks and your in for a rough ride
It’s not just Judge Hoover, but also Judge Lisa Coates. I will say magistrate Clark is good dude. But I will say 10 years ago when I was in trouble they’re strictness on making sure that we had fines and costs is one of the reasons I think I was afraid of getting in trouble again., they were willing to set up payment plans with me, but if I didn’t have that on my plan date, you could definitely count on being thrown in jail. I think that is a good thing. The woman in front of me also set up a payment plan, when she got up to the podium and told the judge she didn’t have her $40 or whatever it was, the judge swiftly informed her to go sit down in the bullpen you will be going to jail for the rest of the money which was like $50 a day. She suddenly had the money and pulled it out of her pocket, but it was too late. yeah there is probably a fine line there, but I think it is a good thing we were held accountable
Let me get this straight, the judge told a drug addict to come up with the money to pay his fine instead of the tax payers having to pay for him to be in jail for 30 days and people are mad at the judge? Are you serious?
Question, how many people come through a given court room in one week or one month or one year? How many of those people are not wealthy? How many of those are wealthy? I ask these questions bc myself have been found guilty of a crime I know nothing about and this was the sherrif dept making the crime themselves, its called a frame! I was sent to prison, yes I was then and now innocent. It was a total fabricated crime from the beginning. It took 5 years from my life and no accountability bc I am poor and without representation. I was forced by law enforcement to move from my home town or they would return me back to prison for no reason. Wealth isn't something that should determine your guilt or innocence, it should be balanced for everyone. When the law began harrassing me I had a CLEAN RECORD. I was sent to prison for 3 years, while in prison I made many friends and enemys, it is prison. I wanna say this. I was sent to 4 different prisons, prison is not any place for anyone but it is not any place a innocent person should ever be. To knowingly send a person to prison bc an officer or judge doesn't like you are totally wrong and very dangerous. The courts know the harm that is in the prisons. The damage that those years have done to me at my age can never be forgotten. I got out on parole on October 1st 2018 I was 52 and to this day the investigator that lied under oath is still working at that job. The lies he told were proven to be lies but I stiill went to prison. The video that they had was altered as it was proven also. What does a poor man supose to do, how does a poor man get justice for his innocence? Sorry for rambling, what i want to say is this. I meet many many inmates and NOT ONE OF THEM WERE WEALTHY, I NEVER MEET A WEALTHY MAN BEHIND BARS! ARE WE TO THINK THE POOR ARE THE ONLY ONES COMMITTING CRIMES? MAYBE THE POOR ARE THE ONLY ONES HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE CRIMES COMMITTED OR NOT COMMITTED? One innocent person sent to prison are one person to many! I hope this never happen to you but it is happening daily in our country. I am a 58 year old white man and have worked as a machine technician my entire life but it means nothing to unlawful corrupt cops! They will do you the same way UNLESS YOUR WEALTHY! Money can't buy your health but in this country it will establish how you are treated today, how you live, how cops treat you! Police today are not working to protect and serve, something real horrible is in the sheriff depts today like this country have never seen! Not certain what it is or why but everyone that is not wealthy is vulnerable to this treatment, they do not care. These cops are dirty and they are happy of it!
💰👨⚖️ ~ Actually, judges SHOULD push harder to make defendant reimburse the taxpayers for everything. And also for defendants to pay back their victims when they have caused them financial harm. They just don’t do nearly enough. So I don’t know what this judge did, but based on this video I’m leaning towards not agreeing with him. You give people time to pay back and if they don’t pay back they’re fine they better get a second job, and if they don’t get a second job or still don’t pay back their fines, then you hold the contempt hearing. But maybe there’s a reason in certain states that the process I laid out is not allowed. Maybe the power to put people in jail is extremely limited after the sentencing day. So I don’t know. But how many people treat court fines like they do credit card bills, they decide not to pay them because nothings gonna happen to them. Another thing to angers me, let’s say you go to a mechanic that destroys your car and you take them to small claims court and you win. But then you could never get them to pay you because they’re hiding money. And if you think it’s easy to collect money, then you don’t know anything about the court system. There’s all kinds of ways to legally hide money where you’ll never recover it. There should be sanctions for that as well. If someone really can’t afford it then maybe they can only pay a small part I want to take forever to pay it off. And that sucks, but that’s one thing. But he just completely decide not to pay what you owe, that’s when you need punished.
💰👨⚖️ ~ Actually, judges SHOULD push harder to make defendant reimburse the taxpayers for everything. And also for defendants to pay back their victims when they have caused them financial harm. They just don’t do nearly enough. So I don’t know what this judge did, but based on this video I’m leaning towards not agreeing with him. You give people time to pay back and if they don’t pay back they’re fine they better get a second job, and if they don’t get a second job or still don’t pay back their fines, then you hold the contempt hearing. But maybe there’s a reason in certain states that the process I laid out is not allowed. Maybe the power to put people in jail is extremely limited after the sentencing day. So I don’t know. But how many people treat court fines like they do credit card bills, they decide not to pay them because nothings gonna happen to them. Another thing to angers me, let’s say you go to a mechanic that destroys your car and you take them to small claims court and you win. But then you could never get them to pay you because they’re hiding money. And if you think it’s easy to collect money, then you don’t know anything about the court system. There’s all kinds of ways to legally hide money where you’ll never recover it. There should be sanctions for that as well. If someone really can’t afford it then maybe they can only pay a small part I want to take forever to pay it off. And that sucks, but that’s one thing. But he just completely decide not to pay what you owe, that’s when you need punished.aa
We’re not supposed to have debtors prisons in the US
We're also not supposed to have felons running for president. Yet here we are.
"I just THINK you're guilty!"
- Judge Kim Hoover - barked across the bench to me on a criminal damaging case back in 2003. My right to plead not guilty ignored and thrown out a window figuratively speaking. He shouldn't be a judge at all! Hey News 5 Cleveland, come talk to me about that? Then, go after Kimmie Hoover about it; my rights blatantly violated.
You should contact them and tell them your story.
He’s slime.
If you don't have money there is no justice
They will drag this along, so the judge can peacefully retire, without any accountability. Ive seen this movie before..
Just think how many hundreds of men he has negatively affected
(I said men, cuz he favors ladies)
Hoover over charges and takes advantage of us guys then he humiliates men in front of their ladies, saying you messed up why cant you man up and pay this in full now
Always plead not guilty and get a pub def in stow, it helps a lil
Just another above the law royal revenue collector for the gov.... don't expect anything to happen to him because money is their god.
Shameful That The People In Stow Have No Ba$$S to Kick This JUDGE OUT .
When I worked, this was the practice. In Cuyahoga Falls Municipal Court. I remember well the judges giving the option of jail time in lieu of fines and costs. There is more to this than meets the eye.
Corruption from coast to coast.
I knew of effin Hoover before I moved to Stow. Pure garbage
Vote better Ohio! Call for this judge to be recalled, fire his ass. This isn't England in the 1300's 🙄
Corruption runs rampant
It’s called lordship mentality
They're waiting for him to retire
He doesn't deserve retirement benefits from the people of Ohio
Judge Abandoned his Constitutional OATH.
"Can I get a MENU?"
Because we are a state run by idiots. Our Attorney General doesn’t even post a legit number on his website. The number he has posted gives the message “this number cannot be completed as dialed”.
Greed, it’s obvious. Pure greed.
I'm not exactly sure what there is to get right? I mean you don't need 18 months to deliberate on. If he's saying you can pay now you don't go to jail. You can't pay. Now you go to jail that doesn't really require 18 months
Corruption! Sickening!
Another sovereign citizen...abolish qualified, judicial and prosecuratorial immunity. We need to hold our public servants accountable
They All Act This Way
That's government for ya!
No, this is NOT about "doing it right". This is about running out the clock, waiting until attention fades, to then brush it all under the rug. This Justice System is corrupt and broken beyond repair.
They finally caught up with the judge he’s horrific if I didn’t have any money when I came to court he was putting me in jail I was going back to court for court cost on a M1 for a year until I told him I dnt have nothing for u he locked me up for 7days and another judge let me go saying u shld have been gone he shld be off the bench he did every defendant like tht
Welcome to Ohio.
Welcome to the United States
They could and should move these cases forward in a timely order. Justice delayed is justice denied
Constitutional Enforcement SWIFTLY and HARSHLY.
It's not like the necessary laws don't exist: 18USC242 and 18USC241.
The problem is, the constitutional courts and DOJ (regardless of party affiliation) are in on the corruption.
That's ridiculous
When you fear integrity and accountability, you are NOT the good guys!
Ohio is the new Florida.
Oust him
They should send in Homeland security now.
Anyone with power ends up becoming a criminal.
It’s always been that way.
Put that judge in the same jail like the ones he sent in.
Karma will get him
A crook is just another crook, right judge?
The news announcer said that when the judge collects fines from the public that it helps the public? And that we are not burdened by the money the public owes the public. Her statement doesn’t make sense.
She means court costs.
The notion of a "justice system" or "department of Justice" in the USA is LONG dead!!!
What we have is a "legal system" or "system of courts". And although few will actually admit it openly, the final outcome of one's case(s) is largely determined by one's ability to pay, or more specifically: the amount one is able to pay.
First and foremost: for a lawyer
Whether or not one is found guilty (and actually few cases make it to trial, otherwise the entire system would collapse due to the sheet number of cases), the amount one spends on their lawyer will in most cases closely correlate with a favorable outcome.
And the more impoverished one is, the more painful & expensive they can expect their outcome to be...
The Judge should be imprisoned for a term of 4 years maximum security. Goose meet Gander.
I must, however, say a word to the judge's voters. It is you who have voted for this man for years without ever having informed yourself about this man. That's what it's all about in the first judge elections. No candidate is really known, so we're just making a random choice.
Y'all let him, that's how.
From cops to judges to supreme court. Their "holier than thou" attitude makes it possible
This slap on the wrist amounts to nada since “Hoover would have been ineligible to run for judge again in 2025, when his term was to expire, because he turned 70 this year.”.. in other words the courts waited and delayed this since 2021 for so long to where NOW he’s essentially aged out.. Nice work Ohio..
If you have ever commented on judges for not being tough enough on crime, you really shouldn't be commenting on this story. Now that one is people are complaining he is too tough.
Also Hoover big time favors female defendents especially younger ladies
The reason why he's still on the bench sovereign citizen immunity the fees is administrative administrative is conflict of interest of the Constitution bill of attainer ex post facto
Hoover has been doing this for at least a couple of decades now, he increases fines and costs to pay for his courthouse, he used to openly brag about it. Fines and costs at most other municipalities totaling approx $400 are about $1600-$2000 with judge Hoover
He bragged he didn't use taxpayer money for his courthouse. Dig deeper and you will find Hoover has been padding his pockets too
He'd be a Thanksgiving dinner in prison.
Is the jail privately operated if so does the judge have any links to it. Is he gaining from filling the jail
PS nobody reached the Constitution and operate always in hearsay and ask an attorney's for a legal advice she can pay them for them to ignore the Constitution to get the people to come back and pay them some more
Wow! The judge did debtor's prison to a white man and treated him as garbage.
Suspended? Why isn’t he in jail?
The anchor sounds like she's drunk.
Barely human masquerading as a judge squeezing money from people. He should be disbarred and serve some time. No keep you money judge. But you won’t need it in prison you thief.
What shit, all judges do this. Has happened to me on speeding tockets.
Since you do not know the law, you got bent over and brag about it too
@GhostRider-dp2tc Amazing how many people think that directly viilating the law and basic civil rights by doing 1 of the main reasons those that rebeled from the king in England. Debters prison is a crime in violation of the law and the constitution that was written to prevent this exactly from happening, yet you are the reason it is continuing to be used to abuse people. Just stop supporting criminal actions done in your name by the government you defend.
Project 2025 at little bit a time..up to you Ohio
He will get to retire in lieu of suspension😂.
This judge works for and is suppose to serve people , he is not there to groom his own ego, or too intimidate threaten or even lecture defendants. He is biased against addicts and the poor , dont believe check his sentencing record it does not lie. You come from money judge hard ass here suddenly softens like butter on a counter, but come from the wrong side of the tracks and your in for a rough ride
I would never have put my addiction on my family. I would have took the time
It’s not just Judge Hoover, but also Judge Lisa Coates. I will say magistrate Clark is good dude. But I will say 10 years ago when I was in trouble they’re strictness on making sure that we had fines and costs is one of the reasons I think I was afraid of getting in trouble again., they were willing to set up payment plans with me, but if I didn’t have that on my plan date, you could definitely count on being thrown in jail. I think that is a good thing. The woman in front of me also set up a payment plan, when she got up to the podium and told the judge she didn’t have her $40 or whatever it was, the judge swiftly informed her to go sit down in the bullpen you will be going to jail for the rest of the money which was like $50 a day. She suddenly had the money and pulled it out of her pocket, but it was too late. yeah there is probably a fine line there, but I think it is a good thing we were held accountable
Let me get this straight, the judge told a drug addict to come up with the money to pay his fine instead of the tax payers having to pay for him to be in jail for 30 days and people are mad at the judge? Are you serious?
This country needs a citizen punishment agancy
I'll go finds facts on the case instead of listening to these talking heads and their attempt to inject emotional theatrics into the subject matter.
Great judge! Holds people accountable
By breaking the law himself?
@@LearningCurves123We love someone who sets a great example, right? /s
Except for himself...
More crooks on the bench then in jail....🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Question, how many people come through a given court room in one week or one month or one year? How many of those people are not wealthy? How many of those are wealthy? I ask these questions bc myself have been found guilty of a crime I know nothing about and this was the sherrif dept making the crime themselves, its called a frame! I was sent to prison, yes I was then and now innocent. It was a total fabricated crime from the beginning. It took 5 years from my life and no accountability bc I am poor and without representation. I was forced by law enforcement to move from my home town or they would return me back to prison for no reason. Wealth isn't something that should determine your guilt or innocence, it should be balanced for everyone. When the law began harrassing me I had a CLEAN RECORD. I was sent to prison for 3 years, while in prison I made many friends and enemys, it is prison. I wanna say this. I was sent to 4 different prisons, prison is not any place for anyone but it is not any place a innocent person should ever be. To knowingly send a person to prison bc an officer or judge doesn't like you are totally wrong and very dangerous. The courts know the harm that is in the prisons. The damage that those years have done to me at my age can never be forgotten. I got out on parole on October 1st 2018 I was 52 and to this day the investigator that lied under oath is still working at that job. The lies he told were proven to be lies but I stiill went to prison. The video that they had was altered as it was proven also. What does a poor man supose to do, how does a poor man get justice for his innocence? Sorry for rambling, what i want to say is this. I meet many many inmates and NOT ONE OF THEM WERE WEALTHY, I NEVER MEET A WEALTHY MAN BEHIND BARS! ARE WE TO THINK THE POOR ARE THE ONLY ONES COMMITTING CRIMES? MAYBE THE POOR ARE THE ONLY ONES HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE CRIMES COMMITTED OR NOT COMMITTED? One innocent person sent to prison are one person to many! I hope this never happen to you but it is happening daily in our country. I am a 58 year old white man and have worked as a machine technician my entire life but it means nothing to unlawful corrupt cops! They will do you the same way UNLESS YOUR WEALTHY! Money can't buy your health but in this country it will establish how you are treated today, how you live, how cops treat you! Police today are not working to protect and serve, something real horrible is in the sheriff depts today like this country have never seen! Not certain what it is or why but everyone that is not wealthy is vulnerable to this treatment, they do not care. These cops are dirty and they are happy of it!
💰👨⚖️ ~ Actually, judges SHOULD push harder to make defendant reimburse the taxpayers for everything. And also for defendants to pay back their victims when they have caused them financial harm. They just don’t do nearly enough.
So I don’t know what this judge did, but based on this video I’m leaning towards not agreeing with him. You give people time to pay back and if they don’t pay back they’re fine they better get a second job, and if they don’t get a second job or still don’t pay back their fines, then you hold the contempt hearing. But maybe there’s a reason in certain states that the process I laid out is not allowed. Maybe the power to put people in jail is extremely limited after the sentencing day. So I don’t know. But how many people treat court fines like they do credit card bills, they decide not to pay them because nothings gonna happen to them.
Another thing to angers me, let’s say you go to a mechanic that destroys your car and you take them to small claims court and you win. But then you could never get them to pay you because they’re hiding money. And if you think it’s easy to collect money, then you don’t know anything about the court system. There’s all kinds of ways to legally hide money where you’ll never recover it. There should be sanctions for that as well. If someone really can’t afford it then maybe they can only pay a small part I want to take forever to pay it off. And that sucks, but that’s one thing. But he just completely decide not to pay what you owe, that’s when you need punished.
💰👨⚖️ ~ Actually, judges SHOULD push harder to make defendant reimburse the taxpayers for everything. And also for defendants to pay back their victims when they have caused them financial harm. They just don’t do nearly enough.
So I don’t know what this judge did, but based on this video I’m leaning towards not agreeing with him. You give people time to pay back and if they don’t pay back they’re fine they better get a second job, and if they don’t get a second job or still don’t pay back their fines, then you hold the contempt hearing. But maybe there’s a reason in certain states that the process I laid out is not allowed. Maybe the power to put people in jail is extremely limited after the sentencing day. So I don’t know. But how many people treat court fines like they do credit card bills, they decide not to pay them because nothings gonna happen to them.
Another thing to angers me, let’s say you go to a mechanic that destroys your car and you take them to small claims court and you win. But then you could never get them to pay you because they’re hiding money. And if you think it’s easy to collect money, then you don’t know anything about the court system. There’s all kinds of ways to legally hide money where you’ll never recover it. There should be sanctions for that as well. If someone really can’t afford it then maybe they can only pay a small part I want to take forever to pay it off. And that sucks, but that’s one thing. But he just completely decide not to pay what you owe, that’s when you need punished.aa