Kanye West and Dilbert: Self Help as a Political Ideology
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2018
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It’s easy to “make your own reality” when you’re rich enough to not be affected by the material conditions forced upon everyone else.
It’s good that conservative arguments eventually come down to “reality isn’t real”
Unless they're "only one thing is real, and that reality is immutable".
Are these opposite poles of thought or just two sides of the same coin?
Memories can definitely be false but that does not negate what happened. People just dont remember things the way a video camera would. Emotions play a part. Memories can fade or change over time. But reality doesn't fucking change, mike.
Is it though? I'd say it's bad. If Trump decides he's gods chosen instrument, he could just let our nuclear arsenal fly. No, I know you were joking but seriously, it seems like there's so much bullshit and craziness in the world now. It's like a great plague of insanity is sweeping across the population and no one knows how that will affect the future other the fact that we know it's not going to be good. With flat earthers and the crazy conspiracy theory nonsense that's seeping into politics so much that our president is one of them now... I don't think these are isolated things. It's a symptom of the information revolution for one thing. Does anyone else see it like that or is it just me?
@@PaulTheSkeptic talking about possible realities while the lathe of heaven spins at 2020 rps is kinda risky, buddy.
careful there.
@@vienlacrose Huh?
Sargon: left only cares about feelings
Also sargon: blm makes Kanye *feel* oppressed even tho he has money.
Me: So only rightwing feelings matter
Bingo! Ding ding ding and other winning a prize nosies
To conservatives their feelings are reality, that's why you can't argue with them with facts.
But facts dont care about feelings!
Karl is never allowed to say “feels over reals” again.
the most surprising part of this video: me gaining respect for a TMZ employee
Same here.
How so tho? She just called another religion, one at this present time being backed by the left. And your wrong again. She just said it's not believable yet it's still religion, is this white tmz reporter trying silicone a group of individuals right to freedom of religion. And no I'm sorry it does suck but scientology has always paid the Bill's and no one beside one old man has actually been able to come forward and give up some incriminating evidence. Are they bat shit crazy and deserve to be shot into space along with there alien overlord gods ideas yea I belive so too but the narrative of the video is bias, the left supported him at the beginning dropped him and now is trying to show support again with him doing stuff for black people and targeting black people as whole and yes he most certainly is with his projected demographic needs threw out his media. No social media I'm saying his music. Majority of all the Songs hes put out have been great to say the least and yet a ignorant black man with this idea that all black people are untied bullshit will think kanye's my boy and he ant never liked trump when in fact thier rights it was another ploy, for what probably attention and notoriety.
@@E.S.R.OG_ecoli ???
@@Hemostat idk I get fucl up and think I can take on the stupidity of humanity, so every other Friday.
shout out van lathen
this is over a year old and i literally avoided it every time it came up in my recommends because i have a deep love for kanye, and his disintegration has been devastatingly sad to watch. but it was way more nuanced and sensitive than i expected to get from a guy called blackgoat666. thank you.
"Nobody's memory is 100% accurate, therefore records of things I actually said are false by design."
I think the Dilbert comics work great as commentary on alienated labour under capitalism. I'm pretty confused to learn that Scott Adams is a libertarian. It's like he is seeing the problem but missing the point.
Exactly. Maybe it's meant to be aspirational lol
He thinks the people in those situations deserve it because they accept it. Read up on his Dilbert themed restaurants and how he tried to treat employees. He's not really a libertarian. Like most people who claim that moniker, he's a divine right of wealth pseudo-fascist.
@@ZombieApocalypse09 1) Are there really Dilbert restaurants
2) wtf
That clip in the end was unsettling, how memories are false reconstructions of the present and how reality, the past, and history itself are also false. It can justify historical revisionism and obfuscate justice and accountability, if applied. Yes, memories are faulty and flawed as hell. Yes, memories are reconstructions of the past. Yes, I would be down for a discussions of memories and how we perceive the past, but I won’t do it so someone could deny their terrible beliefs or actions. That’s just being dishonest at best.
Sidenote: polygraph test CANNOT tell if a person is lying or not. They are extremely unreliable-causing too many false positives-and more closer to curing cancer with essential oils than anything.
Great video. I love it.
It's the foundation for making a cult, and a fascist movement although that's really just a cult with political focus.
If someone went in and punched his face and went "no i didn't punch you, your memories are false" i can bet he'd report it...
@@khornetto If someone pisses in his coffee, just remind him that taste is subjective and he is actually just tasting piss based on signals being sent from his tongue to his brain.
I feel like the point that other people are affected by your actions is really overlooked. Like people are genuinely affected by your mistakes and no matter how much you deny it, they will still have been affected by it. Like if you break someones arm, and then go to court and say you didnt break their arm, it doesnt change that fact that you broke their arm.
that man's poor, sad baby
I don't think hearing right wingers saying "Facts over feelings/Feels over reals" will ever stop sounding ironic.
It's an asinine talking point. It smacks of denial
I recently learned the term "postmodern conservatism". This just gave that term steroids.
Reactionary = Conservative
Postmodern Conservative = Neo-Fascism
@@merbst It's pretty sad that conservatives are just reactionaries now.
@@blacklightredlight2945 They've always been reactionaries.
It’s quite fitting during Cernovich rant that his kid is starting crying... and then he dropped him to the floor...
I noticed that too... Did he just not pay enough mind to his own child to see the irony??
That didn't happen and if you question him and show him video evidence, he could pass a polygraph because his internal movie has him accepting the father of the year award at that very moment.
"The past isn't real?" That's some 1984 level shit.
It's very post-modern: "the past isn't real" "most of your thoughts are false" "build your own reality"
That entire rant felt super gaslight-y.
The TMZ clips were hard to watch. I'm bipolar, and that's what a manic episode looks like. While I obviously don't have the authority to diagnose anybody, I can't help but feel that certain right-wing power chuds exploited West during a vulnerable time. I'm not saying he doesn't have power or agency here, but I've had my mania turned against me before. And I can't be mad at West anymore after seeing this. He may be (dangerously, willfully) wrong about a lot of stuff--and I feel like his celebrity status enables that ignorance to a toxic degree--but more than anything I feel empathy for him. This vid's a year old--how's he doing these days?
Also WOW Cerno blatantly endorsed falsifying the past, huh? And here I was thinking all that Holocaust denial and historical revisionism was more of a shitty societal coping mechanism than an actual, concentrated effort to alter the present.
bad news about how kanye is doing these days
"Discriminating against ideas," A.K.A. "making up your mind." These people are just the worst.
That guy is so loathsome. Like there are tons of republican intellectuals lining up to teach at universities. They're known for their disdain of universities. And besides, the large majority of such educated people are not conservative. Conservatism doesnt lend itself to higher learning. The percentage of historians who are republicans is obscenely low. Same with the social sciences in general, I assume.
Needs a trigger warning for Sargon’s stupid voice. Other than that, great video!
It's so funny seeing such open-minded people make fun of others for their voice.
MK ULTRA it’s not so much the tone of his voice as it is the smug condescension and pseudo-intellectualism. He’s really not as intelligent as he thinks he is. He’s not some kind of brilliant philosopher with some deep insight into the things he talks about. He’s just an edgy dipshit reactionary peddling the same socially regressive talking points that social conservatives have been promoting for hundreds of years.
I had to skip that part
@@unslaadkrosis3489 It's so funny seeing such open-minded people make fun of others for their voice.
He can be made fun of for a lot of things but they all need explaining, effort and thought, where teasing his annoying voice is like like eating a lolly, cheap and easy.
Scott Adams: "White people ended slavery!"
Haiti: "Am I a joke to you?"
That was my thought too, but then I remembered that it was still the white people who needed to change. They had to change to "left the island" or "dead".
Right?! 😂 It kills me when white folks take credit for ending the very oppression they STARTED in the 1st f*cking place. Wow guys... take a bow I guess?? lol
Claiming that the past isn’t real sounds like a real great way to avoid taking responsibility for being a shitty human being and then never learning or growing from it.
I'm sure it's a hallmark of antisocial personality disorder, and psychopathy sociopathy. It's just psychotic, narcissistic
Seriously this hero worship needs to stop. Kanye makes good music. absolutely. But he is no genius, and the more people inflate his ego by telling him at "Yes, in fact, you are a genius cause you made music people like" the worse it gets.
But it's so much dumber than that. Even if he is a genius, it's musical genius and everything else. Western obsession with genius is itself strange. We worship success as though it requires only the kind of brilliance that us mere morals can only hope to aspire to.
It's a means of control, where no matter how successful or unsuccessful you are, it's all on you. Don't change systems because individuals are either geniuses or not worth the trouble to begin with.
@@greenakutabi I can think of an adjective to place in front of the noun "savant."
People assume one type of genius means they're a genius about everything. I'm great with psychology, that doesn't mean I'm an economist. But I'm seen as "smart" so people look to me for *everything* in my social groups.
I feel like people only call him that to get him to listen. His ego is so fragile if people go against it he'd shut down and stop listening.
He could be a genius, not sure why that is impossible.
Plenty of geniuses lost their minds under the weight of social pressure, drugs, and their own mind.
They gaslight so hard, they've started to gaslight themselves
God, the other day I looked up prosperity gospel on Wikipedia and it led me down such a wild rabbit hole. Like, this shit goes back to hermetic cultists from the 1800s who claimed they were psychically communicating with immortal Tibetan monks, and there's a pretty direct and unambiguous historical line from that shit to Billy Graham and Reaganomics. I'm convinced that the core tenet of conservative philosophy is the belief in magic.
They do seem very prone to magical thinking, whether it’s racist pseudoscience or the power of prayer or using pepe memes to alter the universe. If they know the secret rules, they’ll never have to give up the ironclad control of their lives they think they possess. Keeps them safe from a chaotic world. Stability is safety, real world be damned.
I'd say the core tenet is hierarchy, and when people start highlighting that our hierarchies are arbitrary and unjust, conservatives then use magic to justify how people could be climbing to the top more.
4:44 Carl "Sargon" Benjamin talking about teaching his son, when he has a daughter.
YIKES. The Cernovich clip at the end really bothered me. When I remember important or traumatic experiences in my life, it's almost always from the first person, unless I had access to a mirror or experienced some kind of out-of-body experience (when I was 4, I hit my head on the sidewalk, and have a distinct memory of dad carrying me to the ER, but I know it's probably an imagining.) To say that all memories are like movies, and always in the third person, makes me think he's extremely narcissitic,. Unless that's a common thing?
Either way, saying "my memories aren't real, thus I can make them not have happened" is fucking TERRIFYING.
And in general - I'm genuinely disappointed Scott Adams has turned out so shitty. One of his books introduced me to quantum theory, and the idea of multiple universes. But this is definitely when those ideas take you too far. D:
I don’t think it’s necessarily a sign of narcissism. There are lots of reasons why someone may have third person memories. I know for me the majority of mine up until I started transitioning are in the third person because the dysphoria I was experiencing made me dissociate a lot of the time
@@graysonelliott6115 agreed, it isn't really exclusive to narcissists, in fact it sounds like the opposite but maybe I'm wrong.
I have a lot of "third person memories" myself which I think is caused by my own neuroticism and growing up with a narcissistic parent.
You learn eventually that your feelings and thoughts don't matter, just how people around you feel and think about you.
His "most of your memories are false" thing sounds a lot like gaslighting, so I'm definitely not saying he's not narcissistic. He shows at least a few signs.
I hate that the first bit of the dilbert joke could have been good,
“I need to plan my route, I have X coworkers to avoid” is a good punchline for the setup of “are you leaving for work”
God that last bit is legitimately terrifying.
It just comes off as gaslighting in every way. "I didn't hit you, you probably think I did but your memories are false, science has proven"
Science has proven that memories can be unreliable and open to manipulation and suggestion, something he probably likes to do often. If memories were completely false, you would be locked out of every account you ever try to log into because the memory you have of your password is fabricated.
Chud is a super great word and you use it admirably
Don Workman this is the sweetest feedback I've gotten since I started making these. 💖
I think that little turn of phrase started with the Chapo boys.
Police officer: mike cernovich we have evidence you murdered a person last year; you are under arrest.
Mike cernivich: lol the past isn’t real
As a long time Kanye fan this right wing thing he's been doing has really thrown me in for a loop. Like this is the same guy who said "George Bush doesn't care about black people" and made Yeezus, MBDTF, TLOP, The college trilogy, and 808s. The same guy who hires ex cons to make Yeezys and supports causes like the Innocence Project.
On a more personal note, Kanye took me out of this really shitty life I was living, his message of helping yourself, helping others, and loving others is most likely the reason why I'm so leftist to this day. When listening to his music its crazy to think that this guy might be a conservative. This might be one of the rare cases where one must separate the art from the artist.
I'll always be a Kanye fan, and I'm really hoping what's going on rn with him is just a phase, bc to me it seems more like he fell down the alt right pipeline than actually becoming a genuine pundit, and with some time hopefully he will climb out. There have been rumors recently that he was only buddy buddy with Trump to release some innocent prisoners, which is a little light of hope for me, but until then all I can do is pray to Yeezus.
Kanye West is like Icarus...except instead of the glue melting off of his wings, he successfully flies into the Sun and tries to ignore the pain he's in because he thinks the only thing that should matter is that he succeeded in what he tried to do.
jesus crhist mike cernovic's voice actually sounds like a South Park character
Your videos are all the self-help I need.
Seriously, as a longtime fan of Kanye and hater of reactionary rhetoric (#conflicted), it's great to see such an articulate response.
Thanks so much! Yeah my love of Kanye as an undeniably talented artist has always been at odds with who he is as a person. Thanks again for the nice comment, I'll be putting up a new video on Saturday where I go after Christina Hoff Sommers who's far easier to hate.
You know how some people are addicted to cocaine or sex? Kanye is addicted to the feeling you get when you remember something embarrassing you said three years ago.
I was looking forward to another video from you! Keep it up. Good stuff.
Salvatore Dali thanks for the support! I'll definitely be uploading a lot more often.
liposuction is NEVER a choice.
"like a cool guy who FUCKS." lol this was great
The cernovich clip reminded me of the integration of Winston in 1984. Jesus christ!
Only time you should listen to Kanye is when he's accompanied by a beat
I don't listen to him but hear this "he's a genius" talking point all of the time. I find it hard to believe that his lyrics are not infused with his nonsense irrespective of his rhythmic talents. He may be a savant, but I can think of an adjective to place in front of that noun.
When that guy asked us to visualise where we were when 9/11 happened I certainly didn't imagine looking at myself... Why would I?
because his delusion and egotism recognises himself where he is not there.
This kind of rhetoric really pulls one over on weak-minded people
I did, I'm not sure why so many people are viewing that as a negative things. I also have dreams in the third person.
Plenty of things wrong with what he said, not sure why vilifying anyone who imagines or remembers things in a different way is helpful.
@@DriscolDevil yeah i do the same thing im not sure why people seem so hostile towards it
@@yerrrrrrrr4567 I don't think people are trying ri be insensitive here, the guy is clearly a disgusting person and anything he says that they don't really understand or relate to is going to be lumped in with that.
He exaggerates the memory thing but there is also truth to memories being more driven by imagination than actual recalling of events, but a lot of people also lump that idea in with his general gaslighting.
Adams' little observations remind me a quote of some eagle-eyed journalist: "Psychobabble is the last refuge of the faithless. Self-help preached by someone beyond help"
Read some Scott adams stuff a couple decades ago, that’s when I first found out he honestly considered himself some sort of wizard. Paraphrasing him: I’m not particularly good at art, I owe my success to dark magic. He straight up wrote that in a book that got published.
I read a lot of Dilbert when I was younger and he would slip that kind of stuff in the biography and extra stuff in the published books all the time. Thing is, I always took it as a joke, mentioning dark magic and being a wizard. Like he was just being extra, like Daft Punk saying for so long that they are actually robots.
It wasn't until I saw Adams speak in his videos that I realised he was actually serious about all of that
Wait, Cernovich sees himself in his memories? I see out from my eyes from where I was when I remember. When he asked me to picture where I was when I found out about 9/11 I saw the TV in my friends flat, remembering what it looked like, my friend at the age she was then and her mum looking concerned from the position I was sitting in on the floor. I had no memory of myself because I wasn't looking at myself. Like it's hazy and probably the scenery is somewhat constructed from other times I'd been at her flat, but it's not like seeing myself act in a movie. Also polygraphs are tosh.
Same here. I have a hard time grasping how people could reconstruct memories in that way, and it's not at all how memory works for me.
I have some memories in 3rd person. I think especially ones when I was a kid, I can see myself in them and I'm looking down.
My memories are a bit of a combo between visual and internal monologue, mostly internal monologue, and I tend to see them first instead of third person.
Cernovich knows just a tiny bit about the psychology of memory, (mainly how inaccurate it is for most people --- though he seems to have forgotten about photographic memory and similar phenomenon,) and thinks he knows everything, and so he projects all his own psychology onto others, and then further draws an absurd conclusion. Our species has memories for a reason, we need them to survive, to understand how the present came to be so we can more precisely control our futures. Ironically, his ideology only serves to handicap him and make him easier to lead by the nose. Reality can just be whatever he wants so he doesn't have to do anything about it. Must be nice lol
GormTheElder the majority of my memories are in the third person. From my understanding it’s often a sign of disassociating heavily for extended periods of time which can be a result of different mental illnesses, trauma, or even gender dysphoria.
Yeah I mean to me he is clearly just making shit up to justify whatever he wants to do.
I think there's something to be said about being from a marginalized group, experiencing the feeling of being told you "can't" do something (e.g. be successful) because of that part of your identity, being told you "can't" support something that is contrary to your own well-being can also lead to you rebelling and supporting terrible people just as a protest of freedom, demonstrating that you are "free" from the constraints of your identity - be they things preventing you entering an industry or social norms about not supporting your own oppression.
I haven't been as unsettled as i was hearing that last clip in a pretty long time
11:24 "what did he tweet? he tweeted 'I like the way Candace Owens thinks.' Seven words and he ripped a hole in reality." Hunh' 'ripped a hole in reality'. And here I was thinking it was more like something you'd call "rebranding". I'm SOO glad you are wading through this sewage, retrieving what we need to know, so we don't have to. I'd already taken a deep dive into the rabbit hole of Sam Harris' world. Such as waste. So much waste out there.
Weird Mike has absolutely killed someone and hidden their body, and he thinks that crazy rant is his alibi
22:50 this is really weird to me because like. When I try picturing memories, I don't view them in third person like that?
Like I know false memories are a thing but I don't know where he got this. Seems like he's just projecting his own thought process onto others.
That's exactly what hes doing. It's the only acceptable way to him too, I'm sure
Dilbert's shift from a deeply unique and entertaining comic about the bizarre home and work life of its eponymous protagonist and an intriguing cast of characters to a dreary, soulless workplace comedy whose characters are interchangeable props to make the same few jokes over and over started making a *lot* more sense once we got to see how Adams talks about politics and his worldivew.
{Esther} Cernovitch's understanding of... *so* much is wrong, and he's also a weird fascist monster. (Also, did you dub in that villain music? It'd be on-brand for him, too.)
I understand your scepticism of a more metaphysical take on reality and you're absolutely right in pointing out the problems associated with it, especially when it comes to practical, political realities. You do a damn fine job of it, too! I just want to add a little spice to the pot and - because I fucking love metaphysics - give an example to show that some mystical ideas can actually add to your point. A quote from one of my absolute favs, _The Kybalion_ : "The half-wise, recognizing the comparative unreality of the Universe, imagine that they may defy its Laws-such are vain and presumptuous fools, and they are broken against the rocks and torn asunder by the elements by reason of their folly.... Transmutation, not presumptuous denial, is the weapon of the Master."
That’s a damn good quote
So is metaphysics now to be understood to be the "study and random usage of word salad methaikus"?
I mean seriously, I'm a fuckin' spacecadet that has no issue suspending my disbelief when viewing outside ideas/theory....but that shit is 100% just pointless.
That's not metaphysics, that's spirituality (aka word salad). He was originally using metaphysics in its original and correct sense, the study of first causes and first principles.
Scott Adams really knows a lucrative grift when he sees it, such as being a trump cheerleader. The same guy who's grift has just been retracing the same dilbert drawings for years
I reckon this directly crosses over to any person with relative privilege within a minority group. Nobody wants to feel like a victim and nobody really wants to consider that they were just very lucky either. Think of the kinds of women who are anti-feminist or the members of the lgbtq+ community who "don't want to shove pride down people's throats". Not like other girls syndrome, which is ironically just another symptom of oppression.
Super interesting and insightful video, glad I found your channel conerade.
Also @23:30 couldn't help but laugh, so what he's seeing is... Kid yourself and make believe whatever makes you happy? Explains a lot.
i like how all the other conservatives chose not to be billionaires.
Hahahahaha
Once you've denied the existence of objective reality, and convinced yourself that success relies denying everybody who tells you that you're wrong and just pretending that you're right really really really hard, you've put yourself in a world of self-delusion that's extremely difficult to remove yourself from.
And I don't think it's a coincidence that this is exactly the thought process that every single cult leader, multi-level marketing scam, and crooked politician relies on heavily to instill loyalty in their followers.
19:23 Come on. Adams and Molyneux are clearly from the same clone factory.
Philosophically, Kanye West is a man trying to be the Child without having first been the Camel and the Lion.
Well done 👏 I wasn’t sure what to expect from the evil hipster goat but I was pleasantly surprised.
In 2004, I wanted to write a book that was a history of cultural values through the lens of self-help, but I never got around to it. It was going to start with ancient Roman farming manuals and "The Book of the Courtier", go through "how to win friends and influence people" and "I'm ok, you're ok".
"Everything isn't real, except God; who is me. And I made the choice to remain voiceless while screaming into the void of my own sphincter - the world!"
Kanya (probably)
TIL other people see themselves in memories and not just from their own POV? Also this video definitely makes the recent Birthday Party news feel less out-of-nowhere.
Holy crap.... This Scott Adams I saw him sometimes being an idiot on cable tv but his own content is like some madman on the street who happens to have a camera and place to live... smh!!!
6:36 THAT man! I have absolute respect for how powerfully he stated the truth, when the hosts had just been wallowing in the shit show spewing forth from West.
When you realize that something you care about deeply might be unreal, it's usually much easier to conclude that you don't actually care about what's real or not rather than doing further investigation with an open mind or changing your views.
It's also, as the Dilbert guy says, often beneficial on an individual level to live in a fantasy that you deliberately construct for yourself, because behaving as if you have power is both a great way to obtain power and a great way to congratulate yourself for success that is actually a product of luck. You just probably should just refrain from voting based on your modified personal version of reality if this is how you choose to live.
Wow.. this Sargon character is way out there..
you forced me to see that heretical double dragon thing.
Wow, that last rant... word salad can be the first symptom of a stroke, you know...
well that got terrifying
23:00 naught for nothing but I chose Columbine as the event, and my memory was coming up the steps and seeing it on the tv in the living room in first person. I didn’t see myself, BUT I saw my hair. Because I had long, poofy hair back then which I COULD see. So.....everything I remember is solid fact, end of discussion.
Hey man this video rules-big ups.
Were in hell is kickass
>Kanye west and dilbert
>5 years ago
Oh no
What I'm hearing is I can punch Mike Cernovich and not be held accountable, because the past isn't real.
just found your channel, and you have found a fan
"in you're memories you'll always be the hero and everyone else will be dumb" no buddy, that's narcissism lmao
I’ve been stabbed
Just “remember” it didn’t happen
I’m just bleeding out
came back to rewatch this vid, honestly that ending bit still makes me think "I dont remember in third person wtf"
"Kanye could run for president" we live in the worst time line
And Adam's just seemed to naturally go there as if that's something that should be acceptable. Ffs. Our obsession with celebrity is pathological
YT censoring this vid or sth? I can't seem to go farther than 0:45 and then it hits a load wall. Every darn time. I've been at it for a couple of days, seriously.
23:15 23:54 This is such an immature way of thinking about the world. I actually can't believe this. Always remembering yourself being in the right or simply ignoring the past is something I literally did AS A CHILD. I REMEMBER myself doing this before I realized that "hey, maybe I just remembered wrong. Maybe I'll just be more cautious and realistic when I remember things from now on. Maybe I don't say "Yeah I saved your life," but I instead say "I remember saving your life but I could be wrong I don't remember very well." Or "I remember your life was saved but idk who it was" or fucking whatever. I literally learned that my memory is not reliable and coped with that by just accounting for it. Pretending the past LITERALLY DOESN'T EXIST because you're going to remember it wrong anyway is straight up sociopath-level insane and shows a complete lack of self-awareness and maturity. Unbelievable.
Specifically when he says "You're gonna remember yourself like you're in a movie or like you're the hero and everyone else is dumb" revealed SO MUCH about how this guy views the world. Has this guy ever even TRIED to consider that he could have been in the wrong or that other people remember things better or differently? This dude is basically saying "object permanence is for beta libcucks not alpha trumphounds." Fucking INSANE.
I cant think of anything someone might say that would be more likely to make me believe their personality is composed of the dark triad, or that they're a socio or psychopath, or that they're just a sick and twisted individual. Its screams mental illness
That clip at the end with the past isn’t real thing is wild. All of this positive thinking stuff is just wild.
My god, the look on his face at 15.21 is one of the scariest things ive ever seen.
Also "the mistakes ive made in the past dont even exist"
*picks up crying child*
“Feels over reals” might be the worst thing I’ve ever heard come out of Sargon’s mouth.
"Just rewrite your memory", starts to describe daydreaming instead of how a memory can change.
Dilbert's creator sounds like the TempleOS guy
I like Cernovich insisting that if I remember something, and picture it, I’ll see myself there. I have aphantasia, so I can’t picture something in my head, or “watch a movie,” because my brain doesn’t function that way. Second, when I thought about where I was during 9/11, I thought of seeing it on tv, leaving my house to pick up my college carpool buddy, getting to his place, saying some frankly bigoted shit, and seeing the second plane hit on his tv while his aunt got ready for her shift on the nearby military base. I didn’t see or hear any of that happening in my head, it was just a series of events and observations. At least I have an inner monologue, which some lack.
I have started to look at Dilbert again recently. It's not belly-aching funny, but reading it I cannot see the absurdity of Adams. I guess that's faint praise :D
i'm here from the future, it got MUCH worse
That Cernovich bit at the end...what kind of stuff was he smoking that day? There's no way that came from a sober mind.
hey mike can you turn up your background music a little louder?! I couldn't quite hear the swelling music playing while your telling me my memories are a false construct!!
Dude your videos are fire 🔥 as a black man I’m fucking with this video. I’ve tried to tell people what Kanye was saying but they don’t want to hear it.
I was going to say this was a good video but then I remembered my memory of it was false so I actually can't say if the video was good. But my recollection that recollections are false is also a false recollection of the past so maybe that's false too.
Oh hey what's this... a nice little void. Boy that's a lot more pleasant than reckoning with the mistakes I've made or the atrocities committed by my forebears which have afforded me my position in society. Sweet sweet void. No guilt or struggle in here. Nothing to fight. Nothing to save. Nothing to be mad at. Just sweeeeet acceptance.
Damn, I never considered until a year or two ago how RAW's work on the consciousness problem could be misappropriated like that. I've been studying his approach since about 2013 from a background of musical composition and quantum theory. I've decided recently that the best thing to learn about next in order to apply what I've discovered would be computer science. Seeing that my predecessor's work is being employed by the other side already gives me much greater impetus to learn quickly.
Ok this video needs a part 2 maybe a part 3
The dilbert guys insane inforgraphic that assumes african-american history went Slavery - Civil Rights - ???Fog?, reminds me of Jordan Peterson's insane dragon chaos diagram.
Thanks for being able to think clearly while on the left.
This was a really good one.
As the offspring of a libertarian lunatic (albeit, a lesser libertarian lunatic than Mark Cernovich), I shudder to think what ‘false’ memories that poor toddler whose head you can see at 21:18 is going to acquire growing up.
My dad never got quite that far into the metaphysical, but he did like to yell at me that I was “IN CONTROL!!” of my own destiny and life outcomes, which was central to the seductive appeal of conservative thought for me. (And easy to buy into, because as much as I was not blessed in the “capable guardians” department, I was very, very privileged overall.)
That kind of weird, intellectually-dishonest-but-appealing shit has been really, really hard for me to unpack.
I swear that Cernovich's eyes got closer together as he spoke.
2:20 that dude in the middle just like: "If you weren't Kanye, I would kill you right now"
9:48 "You know, like a cool guy who f u c k s."
I fucking chortled.
Great video man. I agree with you. On an individual level i'm a big fan of agency-centric thinking too. I find it empowering to think that no matter my circumstance I can choose how to orient myself towards it, and make it as good as it can be, and I don't see that as wishful thinking. I see it as something that continually pays off as long as you can appreciate small gains.
However I see what you mean about the dark side of this thinking, when it loses nuance or room for exception, Some people who have effectively exploited their circumstances will turn back to the masses and say "cmon if I did it you have no excuse", and I agree with you that it's really arrogant to assume you know what is going to help people. Like the guy at the end who says "I'm me cause I worked so hard, I read these books, blah blah blah". As if that's everyones problem. Some people are just crushed by their circumstances constantly.
That being said I still don't think you're giving Peterson a fair shake, he's not an ideologue about agency, he just sees it as the most effective strategy for any individual to progress towards a better life. He talks about the necessity of a left-wing to advocate for those who are dispossessed. Sorry I can't help it, I know he's imperfect but I see him as someone who does way more good than harm. I think this type of ideological political movement has swallowed up some very good ideas, repurposed them as tools to consolidate power, and in the process made them shallow, and I know Peterson has become associated with that sort of movement, but he's a much richer thinker then that.
The only example I can think of to support this is Peterson taking about his practice as a clinical psychologist (possibly badly paraphrased). He says you cannot tell people what to do with themselves, you essentially listen to them and help them discuss their life and their problems. The goal being that they better understand themselves and be more equipped to discover solutions on their own, and that's because nobody knows what's best for anybody, and nobody is their own slave, it's through understanding yourself, your weakness, your strengths, your opportunities, your fears, and discovering wisdom through action, that you can begin to improve your life, and it's a long and gruelling process with no guarantees, but it might just be your best bet. I see that admittance of how daunting it is to address peoples lives as the opposite of ideology. That being said I really like the vid, and I totally see your point, and agree with you. Keep it up man.
Peterson tells people to solely focus on themselves and to never try to affect social change. He believes the only way to achieve an equitable society is if everyone disregards the world around them and only focuses on themselves. Its asinine
@@LukeMcGuireoides This is not accurate at all. Perfect example of a straw man argument.
Not to seem argumentative. I'm not interested in a pissing contest at all. The accurate version would be don't try to affect social change carelessly, and often people attempting to affect social change may have ulterior motives. Also, more accurately, people can do very little harm improving themselves and thier lives and so that's a good place to start. I dont believe he's ever endorsed anything of the sort in your comment and if he did you are absolutely right to call it asinine. Just a final example Peterson's a huge fan of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who affected radical social change in the USSR with his anti Soviet writing.
I've actually seen him say that stuff. We're in Hell has shown it in his videos on him, so...
23:00 thats dianetics. seeing yourself in memory movie
Lmao these guys are easy prey for scientologists
Not Sargon with the “Can-yay”
Is that why they keep saying “facts don’t care about your feelings”?
As in “facts don’t care about YOUR feelings. Because I decide what are facts for me. So facts only care about MY feelings “
for all that conservatives talk about rejecting postmodernism it seems all modern conservatives thought is built on postmodernist ideas, that good old fashion double speak they claim to be so against