What is the Purpose of True Crime? | We're In Hell
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- Опубликовано: 30 окт 2020
- What can a sociologist from the 1800's teach us about our favourite trash culture genre? A look into the history and purpose of true crime.
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If a true crime podcast calls out the cops frequently then you know you’re listening to the right one.
What podcasts are you listening to? I want to find quality one, I can't stand bootlicking podcast anymore
I like Buzzfeed Unsolved, but that is not a Podcast. Do you know any good ones? I only listen to Cults
@@ekatarinasimic1565 the voices of My Favorite Murder try to be nuanced and call out bias against women, sex workers, and ethnic and racial minorities in the stories they tell.
100%
The Generation Why podcast has a pretty skeptical view of the legal system, though not adversarial. At times they are against the way the legal system actively acted against the accused, while other times they are OK with some non-conventional methods.
Hey man, this may be a little TMI but this video was very therapeutic for me. I actually lived through one of these true crime narratives; found my husband dead in our home with no idea what had happened. The details don't matter but the point is, in the months that followed I devoured true crime shows, the trashier the better. It was all I watched every minute of the day I wasn't asleep. It was like seeing what had happened to me play out again and again, but in a rigidly structured story meant for entertainment, helped me cope with my own story. It became just a little more structured, easier to grasp, a cleaner narrative to tell myself and neatly encapsulate what was just raw chaotic grief lashing out in every direction. And I felt like shit about it. I still shudder at the thought of some vulture making a salacious show about what happened to me. I couldn't believe I was comforting myself with other people's trauma being exposed without their consent. If I had the power to somehow ban these shows, I would. I still don't feel great about it. But not all coping strategies are created equal I suppose.
Anyway, this helped. Thank you.
Wow, thank you so much for sharing that. I’m so sorry about your husband, glad I could help you in some small way though.
Thank you, and you sure did! Excellent content, would retraumatize again ;-)
Yeah I started eating up true crime after my partners dad was killed by their previously undiagnosed schizophrenic brother. Kinda hard to get my head around it. TC is often family members killing other family members.
I was almost offended by the JFK assassination joke, but then I remembered how open-minded he was about it
Oh that hurts.. Lol
I didn't even think of JFK, I thought it was a joke about Ted Kennedy at Chappaquidick
Gods be good I needed that laugh 😂
@@kazzajaxon7566 I think it's fair to say the Kennedys have a complicated relationship with cars
@@kazzajaxon7566 Same here! I assumed it was a dig at Teddy
My main problem with Astrology is how oppressively essentialist it is... but I'm an Aquarius so I would say something like that.
Damn we have the same joke about that-- I love joking with people who are into the zodiac about how I think it's a bunch of bs but of course I'd think that bc Aquarian lmaooo
As an Aries, I'm far too stubborn to change my stance on astrology being bunk.
I hate astrology, but that's a good joke. I laughed.
we are 50% made of Aquarius and....
yes
"I'm a Taurus, which means I don't believe in astrology."
"I'm a Scorpio, which means I only believe in astrology when it flatters me. "
I was very into true crime when it was still considered more niche and trashy. Over the years, as it became SO widespread it started to seriously make me feel weird and bad - hearing about murder and violent crime EVERY day for entertainment just doesn't feel like a healthy thing to do.
I have had a similar shift in my thinking over the years. I loved watching Criminal Minds when it first came out, and was very interested in the psychology of serial killers and such, but something about how True Crime tends to be presented these days feels off to me, and I think this video helped me understand why.
South Park did an episode on 'informative murder porn' and the gist was bored couples get a sexual charge from hearing about murderous partners, it's a fetish, like any other.
But not for me and my wife, we just like to be informed about murders that happened 2 thousand miles away ten years ago - can never be too careful or prepared.
I like the ones about "perfect" religious people who smoke crack, have 50 side partners, and murder their partner to get like 20k in insurance money and not looking bad to their communities/families/friends. Like any porn, probably not healthy in large doses.
Same, used to be really into true crime when I thought it was more niche but now there's entire channels on tv dedicated to true crime. What's worse is that the documentaries on them seem to fetishize victimhood and the actions the killers took, almost praising them.
Seems to me it would make you even more paranoid and distrustful of the people around you. But, I’ll bet it supports the home security industry very well.
Im still in to true crime, may I recommend baily sarian or jcs criminal psychology? Baily does her best to research the victim and their surviving family members, she doesn't name people if they don't want to, she doesn't tend to share many pictures, and she overall does her best to be respectful of the victims (she also has a makeup channel if you don't like the true crime stuff). Jcs focuses on the interrogation techniques the detectives use on different people. The interest for me is the unknown, I can't wrap my brain around why someone would murder. I understand if you have no interest in looking up either of these channels, I just wanted to share as a person who is still invested in true crime. Have a good day and be safe out there 🌻
The Crime Junkies parody is just pitch perfect: the over-dramatic narration with sparse details of the actual crime, the annoying and unnecessary questions with giant inflections at the end that don’t sound remotely natural, the premature blame-placing with near-certainty, the odd willingness to accept the police’s story as fact. I’m an infrequent listener to true crime, and Casefile True Crime is much better at telling more varied stories (not mostly well-off young white women and family men), going more in-depth, being respectful and non-sensationalistic, and not taking authoritiy’s word as fact. Also I like the narrator’s Australian accent.
I'm not familiar with what was being parodied, but I think a lot of people (myself included) can have trouble processing differences between fact, opinion, drama, speculation, satire, and abstraction in how things are both internalised and externalised. I think that's what leads to people just jumping on the first conclusion they're given, and the certainty with which that information is passed on.
Omg yes!! My ex was obsessed with Crime Junkies which was what gave me the idea to do this. Glad it landed.
Yes Casefile is my jam! His even-toned, respectful way of narrating true crime stories is a breath of fresh air in the genre.
This is a really interesting analysis, from someone who's never listened to Crime Junkies. I say I'm into "true crime" but that literally just means enjoying Buzzfeed's Unsolved -- which I'm not sure counts -- but my takeaway from literally 90% of those unsolved cases is "wow, there's a really obvious answer (or at least a few good leads) and it probably could've been solved if the police hadn't been incompetent/corrupt." So the idea of one of these podcasts taking the police's word as gospel is fucking weird and doesn't make sense to me; if the cops were so damn great they would've solved the dang thing, wouldn't they?
(That's an ungenerous analysis, but here in November 2020 I'm not feeling all that generous toward our boys in blue.)
@@silvertamagachi Yeah, I also like Buzzfeed Unsolved best with their multible theories
absolutely love the Crime Junkies roast lmao and it was a joy to recognize so many favs’ voices throughout this video. I’m late but just subscribed!
Thank you! I love your channel
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I love when I see my favorite RUclipsrs commenting on each others videos.
@@naavevans5546 me too. It's nice to see cool youtubers support one another!
That cancer joke deserves a standing ovation lmao
I didnt get it :((
For real - that got like half a minute worth of laughs from me.
@@morgoth_bauglir people in the comments call him cancer, as in malignant and unpleasant, and cancer is his zodiac sign.
I liked the video when he made that joke x-D
@@everfluctuating oooooh
Random history fact about that goose story: In Ming Dynasty China (as well as other dynasties) soldiers and other officials were sometimes paid in silk since it was as valuable then as gold is today (and could be turned into extremely comfortable clothing). If "cloth" is a mistranslation, the story is less strange than it seems. It would be like using a goose to rob a bank nowadays. So, still weird, but I get the motivation.
One female voice telling the story while the other just chirps nonsense is so accurate I can't even believe it required your parody to notice it lol
Not just female, I listen to a handful of true crime podcasts (not so much murder as cult stuff) and it’s infuriating how they all stick to this dynamic for the most part. Like, the show is not gonna suffer if more than one person does their research
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Put some lettuce in it too babygirl.
tf theres a duck in here !!
Blessed be
my own experience: I devoured True Crime for the years my depression and anxiety were at their worst. It made me feel better, more in control/prepared for the worst. When my father was diagnosed with cancer I started paring down because it just felt senseless to be surrounding myself with the gory details 24/7. I still watch the occasional true crime channel on YT, but I mostly wind up turning them off these days. After a few details I'm just like "why was I able to get through these before? I must have just been numb." I guess I was, but as the world outside gets darker, It's just been better for my mental health overall to fill that time with something less …soul-crushing.
I used to believe it was my "responsibility" not to turn away from these stories but I realized that was just a selfish justification. The victims and family members of these stories don't actually need me to sit and absorb all the gory details--that isn't going to bring their loved ones back. You don't have to ignore the story but you don't have to mire yourself in every grotesque fact to pay them respect.
Are you woman?
5:28 Worse than 'serial killerish', in my opinion, is that those programs are designed to develop a consistent narrative that inexorably leads to the show's conclusion and fosters people's sense that their gut feelings can solve crimes when, what's generally more true, is that people begin to recognize the narrative beats and can pick out 'the bad guy' as it's being foreshadowed.
The "true crime is serial killer-y" is actually the reverse according to a psychologist I saw on a doco about people who are true crime obsessed. Apparently people who love true crime are very anxious people, so they take their worst nightmare and turn it into an interest...kind of turning foe into friend for people who would otherwise be terrified.
Honestly makes a lot of sense. My anxiety has worsened greatly over the past several years and spiked during covid lockdown, when I got rly fixated on true crime. Thank you for saying this!!! Helpful insight
What’s the documentary btw if you remember ?
True crime has the same effect as horror stories and fairytale, it's a way for us to subconsciously deal with our own trauma, even if it doesn't come close to what we're watching (but if you ever experienced grief, pain, fear, shock is all right there just amplified) from a safe place. Bruno Bettelheim argued on the psychoanalysis of children's fairy tales why we shouldn't sanitize the original stories and keep the gory details when telling them to our kids, I think the same goes for true crime, it's fairytales (in the original meaning, not in wow beautiful story) for adults. We can allow ourselves to confront feelings and feel things that are very unpleasant from a comfortable, safe place where we are in control and can choose when to stop watching. For people with high levels of anxiety this validation of feelings plus the control of choice are even more cathartic
Oof this was long winded sorry!!
@@ritafernandes642 dont be sorry, i very much appreciate this reply. The past year I have been facing and dealing with a lot of trauma memories and intense anxiety, and developed this weird obsession with true crime, and it makes sense! I literally watched everyday nonstop and it seemed to come out of nowhere after I was forced to stop therapy after I started dealing with some heavy shit but ran out of money. I feel like it actually helped me get through a lot of stuff I was going through by having something else "disturbing" to focus on for a while and was weirdly comforting, now I feel less like a monster for this. It felt very abnormal til I realized what the reasoning was, now Im not watching it very much at all
yes thank you for mentioning this!! this seems like a universal phenomenon too. you know how chemists seem crazy to some people, because they’re not scared to engage with cryptic sounding chemicals you would never think are healthy to come into contact with because you have no idea what their systematic names mean and that they’re actually just something found in every household for example. or how an engineer would feel much safer in a wobbly building during an earthquake than a complete layman. knowing and being able to picture what’s going on is inherently calming in many ways, it makes things appear more structured and less unpredictable and out of control. insight always makes it easier easier to process. people are most afraid of what they don’t understand usually
I've always found sociological analysis of media fascinating
Stick with me then 😏
I always liked the forensics part of it. Which is why I never liked the ones that weren't solved or focused too much on the scare factors.
It's the same reason I love Air Crash Investigation (Mayday), they're the best about in depth analysis of what went wrong. It made me act feel a lot better about flying.
And how people ignore a lot of red flags until its too late, i mean the better crime docus focising on the humanity and curious stuff on the darkest side of humanity.
Capitalists are definitely not watching me on security cameras. They are paying workers in the phillipines a fraction of minimum wage to watch me on security cameras. Collaborating with those workers is praxis.
Not gonna lie, that, "Hello boys, ghouls, and non-binary jewels" made me smile and I think that's just how I'm going to greet my friend group from now on.
I was prepared to respect your commitment to the bit at the beginning, but now I'm a little sad we didn't get to see what 30 minutes of "leftist cryptkeeper discussing true crime" would look like 😂
The "true crime" vs. real crime thing is a huge pet peeve, even though I'm a fan. I was watching a video about hundreds of missing teens in I think Indiana, and the true crime buffs were insisting it was the work of a serial killer. Never mind the vast, vast majority are probably voluntary runaways -- which I know directly, because I live in a city teens run to. Some of their families know where they are, but many do not (and some don't care). But never mind that -- who could possibly want to run away from small town Indiana? This is a job for True Crime! And not for volunteering in homeless shelters and teen centers!!
Another example: The Highway of Tears. I don't want to dismiss the possibility of a serial killer or killers; it is completely possible. At the same time, I used to live along the Yellowhead Highway. People leaving the area and losing touch with their families was fairly common. For example, a lady I worked with in Hazelton left town when her family sided with her husband when they were divorced -- and she wasn't welcome on the reserve. So she moved down south and dropped them for almost ten years, until I heard through the grapevine they FINALLY were interested in finding her. Naturally, she said "fuck them", though now I think they're in touch. There are hundreds of kids and adults, many Native, living either on the streets or in dangerous circumstances in my city. Focusing on helping them is hard; blaming a serial killer is easy.
There have been 2 serial killers identified in the highway of tears region. One was quite a while back. He was only responsible for a small number. And another more recently. Corey legbekof or something. He was really young but already responsible for multiple murders. He was a teen when he was caught I believe. Like 19 or something. Of course some of those girls ran away o their own but I believe the majority of them met their demise soon after they went missing. Sometimes these horrible events and people are within the same vicinity. Highway of tears seems to be an extension of the cluster of serial killer activity of the Pacific northwest. Many people think it's only around Oregon and Washington state without realizing it goes further north well into Canada. Florida is another place that has seen an unusual amount of such horror. Texas comes to mind as well. Then of course you have LA, southern california basically, and NYC but it's not unusual that such enormous metro areas have their fair share of this shit. I think the last part of the 20th century was a heyday, so to speak, of the serial killer. I believe that there are larger societal issue which play a role in the prevalence of this type of crime. I dont know what those issues are. It's just a hunch. It seems like a lot of the strife that may have resulted in a long line of serial killers might be being replaced with mass shooter now. Idk, just thinking out loud lol. Nonsense speculation
@@LukeMcGuireoides Thanks, Luke. I think what people don't know about the region does distort the assessment of the situation. For example, its enormous size. What we usually call the "Highway of Tears", the road between Prince George and Prince Rupert, is 733 km or 455 miles -- that's wider than the entire State of Oregon! The entire highway is 1,777 miles, and ends in Winnipeg. Or that the highway is the only major road; everyone HAS to travel on it, if they want to go a long distance. So if someone says people go missing on the Yellowhead Highway, it's almost like saying they all breathed air and ate food.
Another thing not usually discussed is that men are also missing, assuming they are reported as such. What about them? I'm not suggesting that they're murder victims, and the women are not, or vice versa. But as a culture, we're much more apt to assume that men just leave home and are living their lives, and women are victims of violence.
Again, I'm not discounting serial killers. But I'm unaware of much concrete proof, in any particular case, just generalized suspicions. I live in a city that attracts so, so many people from up north, and across western Canada. Sometimes their families know where they are, and sometimes not. Sometimes they are victims of crime and violence, particularly if they get into drugs, and sometimes not. It's highly likely the story is more complex than one or two serial killers.
I feel like saying people generally think women and girls are missing/murdered on the highway of tears bc of one or two serial killers is a very micro way to look at the issue. Indigenous groups have been raising the alarm for decades because they are going missing. This was confirmed with the MMIWG commission. There is more than just homelessness to address. Hundreds of years of colonialism and racism has put Indigenous people in precarious situations. If you look at the actual statistics of the highway of tears murders it’s not mostly one or two serial killers but rather men feeling impunity to kill Indigenous women and girls. Talking about the violence they face in the community does not negate the seriousness of men being murdered. But if you actually look at the statistics it shows that Indigenous women and girls are DISPROPORTIONATELY being murdered or missing and people have been ignoring it for decades. Reflecting on the highway of tears you need to address racism, colonialism, and the inter generational impact of residential schools and the sixties sweep alongside the RCMPs racism, without it it’s just a straw mans argument. The general consensus is that the highway of tears is not inherently dangerous bc of one or two serial killers but that disproportionately Indigenous women and girls are missing or murdered and 1. The cops do nothing or 2. They don’t care. This is a perfect example of systemic failure. There is a genocide of Indigenous women and girls and we should be paying attention instead of saying the highway of tears is not as dangerous as “people say”.
" true crime buffs were insisting it was the work of a serial killer."
This exactly! I like true crime and what not but people sometimes like to grasp onto EVERYTHING in hopes of putting together a narrative. I’m native so when people try to say it was the work of ONE serial killer who killed all those MMIW it makes me laugh and makes me mad. The unfortunate in cases like that is that it’s usually multiple people picking up and killing MMIW and I know plenty running away from the Rez as well. There’s a whole systematic reason and boiling it down to only one sicko is disingenuous and lazy.
"there's a reason these shows are sponsored by home security companies and not latex glove manufacturers".....fucking lolz
Yup, that line got me rolling too!
The Crime Junkies parody absolutely nails every reason that I couldn't even finish one episode of that podcast, oh gawd.
Fun True Crime fact; Dennis 'BTK' Rader worked for ADT at one point and fitted security alarm systems.
He was also a longtime deacon and his Baptist church...shudder. he sent a disc to the newspapers he used on the church PC. That's how they found him lol
Lutheran, not Baptist
The fact that you replicated Ashely and Britts personalities from crime junkies in the Air Canada/Dolphin gal skit so well is what really did it for me. The one serious narrator and the other one going like "wait what??" Just spot on chefs kiss.
interactions like that are why i cannot atand podcasts
@@dalton-at-work It feels rare to find podcasts without that dynamic.
@@dalton-at-work I know a lot of people feel this way about Podcasts in general, and I think it comes from misunderstanding the purpose of them. A lot of podcasts masquerade as non-fiction and educational when they’re really just talkshows. Last podcast on the left for example presents itself as a Nonfiction narrative podcast presented in a comedic way, when in reality
2/3rds of it is jokes, personal anecdotes, and unrelated banter.
It’s my favorite podcast of all time, but there is a reason it takes them eight hours to get through a serious subject like Mormonism or JFK.
Last podcast on the Left has really mastered the fake uncontrollable belly laugh. It was fine at first but then once they started roaring hilariously at the smallest thing every two minutes it started to get annoying.
I feel like penelope scotts "lotta true crime" and the idea of girl talk about our gendered fears really hits the nail on this for me
if that ain't a dead on "crime junkie" impression than I don't listen to a lot of true crime podcasts
This makes me feel better about my 'Billionaires are complete bastards' genre of true crime podcasts.
i am intrigued, please specifiy
@@e.m.3074 Search for 'Behind the Bastards'. I just finished the episodes on Cecil Rhodes. Wow, that guy is awful. There's also eps about Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg. It's not just billionaires, they also cover war criminals, dictators, racists, cult leaders, etc.
@@hermioneziggeraut7617 thank you :)
Also American Greed is a TV show in the same kind of vein, talking about white collar crime
@@e.m.3074 check out Swindled
true crime really be like "copaganda, ad for blue apron, weird statements about violent deaths of real life people, fear mongering about the implicit dangers of being a middle class white lady in the suburbs, more copaganda, ad for meundies"
don't forget the ads for Simplisafe
Do you even watch/listen to true crime though? The whole copoganda thing is bullshit, every youtube commentator and Podcaster I listen to on true crime always discusses how the failings and incompetence of the police, through their corruption or unwillingness to yield beyond their initial assumptions is what contributed to the crime or lack of clear resolution in the aftermath. Listening to true crime is what based me on the cops, and learning how far they will go to actively sabotage and disrupt their own investigations and will only present what they want to even when the evidence spells otherwise. I have never in my life encountered a true crime presenter that was like "gOoD tHinG tHe cOps wEre tHeRe tO sTep OveR tHe eVidenCe" if anything they will single out a specific person and be like "he was a great detective and did everything he could and to this day he is still investigating and looking for answers".
yeah this kinda confuses me, I haven't seen very much true crime related media that paints cops in a good light
Tbf from what I saw it's exactly the opposite. There's a lot of conspiracies and distrust towards cops. I think the closest to pro-justice system channel I know is Jimmy Can't Swim. JCS is more about interrogation techniques so it mostly ignores the whole evidence gathering part and showcases success stories
And even the channel shows how sometimes interrogators fuck up. He even called out human double standard in couple of his videos by saying things like "we don't feel angry about how badly the interrogated person is being treated because we know he's a criminal"
Yeah this isn't true. Gonna call bullshit on some of this.
"Copaganda" - I've watched SO many true crime stories that call out cops pretty hard for incompetence and negligence. Even in stories where the cops did everything good, there's nothing in most of these videos that say anything like "Look at these brave cops guys! Aren't they cool!? A standing ovation". Most True Crime videos don't even give the cops a pat on the back and simply say something like "The cops caught the murderer. The end".
"Ad for Blue Apron" - It's RUclips and this is an ad unfriendly subject so what do you expect? I guess every RUclipsr who has a patreon or a sponsor is bad now??? Might as well call out people for merely suggesting you like or subscribe as that also leads to better future monetization.
"Weird statements about violent deaths of real people" - Not only is this an incredibly broad "criticism" but it also depends on the person as what's "weird" to someone else may not be weird to you and vice versa. At least give some contextual quotes for this on what you think is "weird".
"Fear Mongering about being a middle class White Lady" - Calling bullshit on this as the """fear mongering""" you're probably talking about is "...so yeah, being cautious of strangers around and be sure you have plans for emergencies. Stay safe people". Also, women in general should be careful when alone because whether we like it or not, women and children are amongst the highest targeted groups when speaking of things like sexual assault and serial killings. Nowhere has someone said or alluded to the fact that "you should be afraid if you're a White woman". You could actually argue for GENERAL "fear mongering" in the community but definitely not this. The purpose of the content isn't even "be afraid of everything!", but cautionary tales warning you to be more generally aware and to learn about the existence of/more about a case.
I have a big feeling that you're critiquing something you've never truly explored and are simply regurgitating what has been told to you by someone who dislikes the genre/community instead.
i think durkheim is so edgy he probably would enjoy getting cancelled. he'd probably write a book about it, go on book tour, and appear on every talk show. and start a patreon and get loads of cash from his followers because he got cancelled that one time
"being canceled proves me right actually" i think you're right tbh
"I can sleep soundly knowing that any intruders will be shot on sight. And that's a promise!" 🤣🤣💀💀 I'm shitting myself, lmfao.
I was gonna go at Durkheim til you asked nicely not to. glad I watched the whole thing before I started blasting.
My mom is obsessed with true crime shows and gets mad when I overanalyze the shit out of them. How weird, obsessive and creepy it is, and how it fosters paranoia the more you watch it. She always falls back on the good ol' "BuT yOu LeArN sTuFf FrOm It!" Finally a video I can show her instead of having the same discussion for the 80th time. Thanks bro
I hate how the crimes covered in true crime docs and such are never contextualized. Like, yeah, sometimes people do incredibly cruel, heinous, arbitrary, sadistic things to each other, but, depending on where you live of course, it's usually pretty infrequent. I could tell you about several absolutely horrific murders that have occurred in Japan, for instance, but overall the country has a very low crime rate. The occasional occurrence of horrible, inexplicable crimes is not grounds to assume everyone around you is a sadistic monster, to think that being "tough on crime" is a good thing, or to come up with wild ideas about the "innate evil" of humankind or something. The vitriol I read in the comment sections of true crime videos is often at least as disturbing to me as the crimes discussed in those vids.
There's also something voyeuristic, scandalous, crude, and commercial about lots of true crime media that puts me off about it. I feel like it's not treated with the respect, honesty, and integrity that any serious subject dealing with real people should be.
How did that go?
informative murder porn
Learn what exactly? One more unthinkable way to die???? I consume a lot of true crime but i dont think ive learned ANYTHING useful.
Yes amun! I'm a huge true crime fan but most of the shows and content are just tawdry, what people within the fanbase might call pulpy, in reference to the cheap salacious paperbacks and detective comics of the last part of the 20th century. The programs, shows, podcasts whatever have to be judged on a case by case basis though. Some can be thoughtful, insightful, respectful. There are several positive aspects good material can have. Context being one of the most important imo, as you mentioned. The oxygen channel and ID programs, the bottom of the barrel cable TV true crime are a true blight on the genre. Most all of those shows anyway. There are probably a few that arent positively detrimental to the mind 9f the public. The primary appeal is storytelling and real life is a source of incredible stories and the depths to which humanity can actually sink will always make compelling stories.
When you said, "Emile Durkheim arguably was the first to legitimize the field of sociology" I chuckled. According to just about everyone I know who's never had a sociology class or related major, it is still not "legitimized". Mostly in the eyes of right-wingers who think critical race theory or gender studies type stuff are entirely illegitimate.
Reminds me of that Thatcher quote: "there's no society, only individuals and families."
I remember going to Niagra Falls and being shocked by a business, The Criminal's Hall of Fame," right there on the main street. I am a social worker who works with survivors and co-victims of violent crimes. And I had a friend who was raped and murdered. Seeing that business was painful and upsetting.
Boys, ghouls and non-binary jewels is unironically perfect
Seriously! 😆👌
I thought he was gonna say "non-binary fools" and I was fully ready to be like "mm yes you're right I am a fool thank you We're In Hell 😌😌"
I THOUGHT HE SAID JUULS LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO.
@@mophead_xu sameee
i remember when that thing with Air Canada Gal happened, that was literally right down the street from me and my mom freaked out about it
"talking to a girl- in theory-" is the best joke I've heard so far today. Thank you.
Super interesting! I used true crime podcasts to distract myself after my partner died - at the time it was just starting to flood the market & I could listen to new episodes 24/7. I had to give up an intense job due to grief/depression and I really needed to fill my time with something just engaging enough to drown out my thoughts, but not too much for my fractured attention span. Fiction reminded me too much of my old life pre-bereavememt and I didn't have enough focus for science, or the passion for politics, or the resilience for current events. I did listen to the Pirate History Podcast though - still do!
Looking back I think it had a lot more to do with my partner's death than I realized even though he died from natural causes, not murder.. almost a need to know I wasn't the only one horrible things happened to? Or maybe I was desensitised to the more traumatic aspects? I'm a doctor so I was sadly used to seeing tragedy & death and having to just get on with my job regardless. I really don't know, it was a weird period.
I gave it up after 9 mths or so. Interestingly, the more I started to deal with my own loss, the less interested I was in others. Once you strip away the sensationalism loss is loss, it's banal almost despite it also being so hellish. I didn't want to hear about another family going through what I did, even if filtered through the lens of "murder mystery" or whatever.
Anyway wow that was an essay.. Hope this boosts the algorithm, your videos are fantastic! Solidarity from the UK 🖤
"what else is a criminal except someone who cant function in society" - mindhunter
Yay Jordan Theresa! I thought I recognised her voice. Would love another collab with her for sure
Seconded!!
The Air Canada mask was the scariest thing about this true crime video 😂🥴
As a forensics student often true crime stuff just feels like a study in police incompetence and overdramatization, but I enjoyed the history / sociology lesson
I think you hit the nail on the head describing how consumers of true crime think the world is much more dangerous than it really is. If you look at a violent crime graph from the 70’s to now the drop off is insane. Violent crime has been consistently getting lower and lower at an fast rate. So living in fear of getting murdered is not productive and may even lead to somebody thinking more police funding is necessary
The internal dialogue between Mexie and Noelle is eerily similar to Crime Junkie and I love that
I know, I was getting flashbacks to 2018 lol
god i hate crime junkie holy shit
is it a parody? ive never seen crime junkie
@@dalton-at-work ya I used to listen to crime Junkies and this was most definitely a parody. Their "banter" as spot on.
That's not the thing that caught my attention, I was more wondering if this video is still monetized. Not that I would complain.
We're in Hell at 5 PM, Radical Reviewer at 7 PM, and PhilosophyTube at 9 PM... Good thing I'm not doing anything today :)
Riley Grace Roshong is streaming right now and Vaush is streaming in a half hour. It's a good day for left content.
@@Leftistattheparty Riley's cool. Vaush... The less said the better.
Dan Drambles is premiering The August Club, now.
Thanks for the channel name drops :)
@@Mewobiba I thought vaush was bad before I started watching his streams.
That outro song is a jam
Thx bb
Thank you!!
It's us again! Giving you an update that we released a music video for this lil baby!
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@@Waxlimbs OMG I'M SO HAPPY YESSSS I am obsessed I'm gonna staaaallllk y'all now lmao. I really hope all of your music is streaming everywhere!!! Seriously incredible!! ❣
@@lustyargonianmaid4071 It really is streaming everywhere!! Can’t wait to see you there friend. PS Your name is hilarious and reading it was a wonderful way to start the day hahaha
Super well done Sam! Thanks so much for including our music :)
If you'd like to watch the music video for it, you can check it out here!
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If my man calls out 'That Chapter,' I'm gonna give it a goo and start throwing bricks.
I am going to throw tree times as many
That chapter copies every dateline podcast, he literally gets all his info and cases from dateline
Honestly, for me, true crime content is only justified, when its family members of the victims taking charge of it, to raise awareness of their loved ones' cases because they need tips or info to resolve them. And it helps, because these cases went under the radar before. Of course, going public with these cases face their own criticism and commenta from the audience, who treat it as entertainment. It works when it targets the community where the victim lives and hopefully encourage them to share the tip or info.
The podcast I can think of is "Her name is Georgia Leah Moses, as her family is using the podcast to raise awareness of the cold cases and push the police to do more.
Its a shame I was already subscribed, because if I wasnt I could have told you I subbed for that cancer astrology joke, I love it
As someone who watches a lot of True Crime you hit the nail on the head! I enjoy morbid things, and always appreciate channels that can be unbiased in their narration of a crime.
However something that has always unsettled me was how some of audience to these videos can be so split. There's always the group that watch it with empathy and compassion and the other group... That well watch it because they lack empathy and compassion.
This group are so vocal with their victim blaming and support of the crime that it's always really difficult to find the pleasant parts of the community
This is sincerely my favorite channel on RUclips. The video was so thought provoking and insightful, just the perfect subject for you to cover. I had also never considered that my own paranoia was partially responsible for fueling my own interest in the genre.
Knocking it outta the park as always bud.
In Toronto and Montreal a lot of actors like me get their starts on tv doing those trashy dramatized re-enactments of real murders based on interviews with families in the states and I find that such a weird ass phenomenon
Like imagine you die violently. Then your family goes on tv because they couldn’t get u justice in court. Then some sexy Montrealers play you and your sister and your boyfriend while your family tells the story they think is the truth... whats that gotta feel like?
I have the same problem girls have with true crime, but with ChubbyEmu’s toxicology videos. I’m terrified of literally everything now.
I love his videos but they make me scared to touch anything lmao
Yeah true grime really does make you paranoid as fuck id know💀
I don't really agree with your phrasing there. True crime doesn't give "girls" fear, we already know we live in a word where women are literally blamed for going out at night or trusting known men when we're attacked. Women tend to consume true crime as an attempt to learn how to avoid these [usually unavoidable] situations to make themselves feel more prepared against that rational fear.
@@heartiko2681 I understand my use of a pejorative like “girls” can be uncouth, but forgive the use: I right these comments before I fall asleep, drunk as shit.
I love how breadtube has become so interwoven, featuring each other regularly. Together is the way.
reminds me of when I was researching Hungarian folk ballads, so many of them are about actual crimes that have happened at some point
thanks for bringing up the Westuwenten and Mik'Maq issues!
I looked outside my window and there was a security camera on the wall opposite to my place. Not kidding-the building is the school districts headquarters, so if I get murdered I’ll be sure to leave the blinds open on that particular window.
We are subjected to a dramatization of various fetishes, and we go “great video! Liked and subscribed!”
My mother in law is a fanatic for game shows, and airport security shows - True Crime Lite
The American Hysteria podcast has an excellent episode about true crime's history and social uses. This video really made me think of that. Excellent video : )
I took a history course all about true crime in university. The idea and history of true crime is actually interesting to learn about.
Any good youtube channels, documentaries, books you'd recommend? I"m a curious cat 😺
As someone who actually listens to Crime Junkies, the opening was SPOT ON. Tbh I haven't been able to finish one of their episodes since watching this video 😅 You're an awesome content creator, and thanks for making this!
A Raytheon ad? Sounds like Robert Evans adjacent advertising
When you really want that wedding in Yemen to know you care about their lack of knives.
. . . " boos, ghouls, & nonbinary jewels " . . .
absolute gem of a line there, subbed
Your stuff is getting better & better. Thanks for introducing us to Waxlimbs.
Pleased to meet you too
If you want to see what else we're up to, we have more music like this over at our instagram :)
Hello again! Wanted to share the music video with you! It just came out today:
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Hands-down your best video so far; love seeing all the kanadian comrades coming together for stuff like this. Great Job.
Only a few minutes in but I gotta say you are by far one of the funniest youtubers I've watched. Great delivery. Love it.
I cannot believe how you guys totally NAILED the tone of these podcasts
Ok the ending song is an absolute masterpiece though. Here for these sludgy early Queens of the Stone Age vibes.
Heya! Thanks so much - QOTSA are one of our favourites. Thank you for your kind words, we’re totally independent and comments like this really make our day. We also released a music video for Dead In The Water you can check out on our channel.
If you dig that song, we’ve got tons more you’ll enjoy and Spotify and Bandcamp, plus a reeeally sludgy one coming out May 7th called Stone Inside.
@@Waxlimbs yay!!!! I love the video too! I’ve been jamming Dead In the Water on Spotify and I’m following y’all now too! Oooh, more sludgy vibes? Can’t wait! :) :)
@@bloodexgle Ahh that makes me so happy to hear, glad you like the video and thanks so much for following us! :)
I saw qotsa in Birmingham AL in 98 with ween. Amazing show.
I saw qotsa in Birmingham AL in 98 with ween. Amazing show.
Wow, that credits song slaps harder than my dad. 10/10
Thank you but oh god why
We’ve got more music like that on our Instagram!
Hello again! Wanted to let you know there's now a music video! Enjoy! Here it is:
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Had many videos to click after a few days off youtube. Clicked this one first because the music in your videos is the best. My expectations were surpassed. Love the music, and great videos
Love the stash man. Thanks for providing the masses with great content.
"The Book of Swindles" is possibly the best book title ever i gotta say, lol
I love the Crime Junkies parody so much. I recognize their "specific" brand of banter anywhere... Hahaha
As a true crime fan myself, I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Glad I recently found your channel ❤️
Oh my days, I nearly choked on my doughnut when I heard "horse pigs"
Me, a sociology major, finally feeling like the field is being validated 😍
I'm so happy to see Maya Ben David.
She is a gem, one that never ceases to amaze, confuse, and disturb me, but a gem nonetheless
People don’t watch true crime to learn to be criminals, this is true. Everyone knows that it’s all about the procedurals when you’re looking into being a murderer.
lol
So, true crime for admiration, procedurals for imitation?
Many of the crims just try to be cops or at least hang out with them. Cut out the middleman, so to speak. Lol
Once you learn the rate at which murders are solved in real life, you start to realize those procedurals are pretttty optimistic about how often police solve crimes. If a serial killer from 7 states over shows up in any given town and murders a random person, then just leaves, that case is going to be cold forever. There's no way to solve that murder. DNA evidence is worthless if you don't know whose DNA you have, and that's assuming the local PD has the budget to do lab work in the first place. The local police will ask around for a while, give up, and the serial killer will keep killing random people in random towns and the feds will never notice a discernible pattern. The high profile killers that have been caught were all giving evidence to the police or press (letters, calling cards, etc), and they usually had patterns to their behavior. There are very likely thousands of active serial killers right now in the US. Be careful out there friends. You don't have to live in fear to be aware of your surroundings when you're out in public.
I think that while it's important to ask what something does for society and that the answer to that can give you answers to cultural ideas, it's much more important to ask what something does for the people in power. Of course, because society is sometimes a slippery lil bitch you sometimes have to ask who is getting screwed over in order to determine which group is really in power, but sometimes society ignores the people getting screwed over so much that you have to find the people in power first because otherwise you'll never find the people screwed over. Sometimes you are the person screwed over (capitalism, babey) and you don't realize that until you realize that the benefit of a system that screws you over is going to someone else, who is not, in fact screwed over by a system you thought treated everyone equally.
God this is such a well made video and happy belated birthday youtube man.
Ooooof thought slime did the same opening gag afew days ago
Nuh uh he called us enbies werewolves not jewels 😂
I saw, I’m upset 😡
I'll be honest, I genuinely loved seeing that gag again. I like making funny voices sometimes, and that's always how it eventually goes for me.
So? It's not like he copyrighted it... right?
Also, you know what they say... _"imitation is the best form of flattery"._
I don't know if you mention it, but I find it funny that true crime automatically became trashy when young women started liking it, not for all those decades where old white dudes read books and watched it on A&E
Novels were "trashy" because young women read them too.
I know this video is old and you may never see this, but my Grandmother was OBSESSED with true crime. Books, Shows, Everything under the sun, DAMN NEAR ALL DAY EVERY DAY. She would fall asleep to the stuff. By proxy being her grandson, I also watched and consumed this stuff frequently. Excited to see your take on all of this.
Nicely done. The pods I follow are the ones that point out how cops screw up almost everything, are NOT heroes, and usually convict the wrong person. There ain't a ton of 'em.
BTW: the story of Dolphin Gurl really tore my heart up.
See you in 14 hours.
Wow WaxLimbs just became my new favorite band lol. Jamming out to their youtube channel
Ah! Thank you - we really appreciate that wow. We have tons of music on our Spotify and Bandcamp if you want to follow us there!
We’re also more active on Instagram, Facebook, Tiktok, and Patreon if any of those platforms are your thing.
This comment made my morning! -Olivia
great video! love your humor. i’ve been binging your videos the last few days while working definitely subscribing thanks for the content.
I didn't expect to learn about functionalism today but I'm very glad you took it in that direction, I learned a lot! Thank you :)
Dolphin girl 😔🙏
She will be missed
man this was a tour de force. bravo lol
Tysm! 🙏
i'm blown away by how good this video is. hats off to you!
You are really hitting your stride here. Great work ✊️
Jump scare at 14:23
You absolutely have to be able to see the negative in the true crime world. I mean, it's all negative, but it doesn't all have to be purely for entertainment. Personally, as I saw in a few other comments, anxiety is a major inhibitor in my life. I think my interest began there, but as I became more absorbed into the culture, it became a way to bring about real change and to keep an eye on the systems in our world. A lot of the actually good creators in this space provide people with links to help victims families, and information for how to make changes in your local circuit where crimes like these are involved... however, it's so dramatic that of course vultures will always do whatever they can to make their bucks. It's sickening really
obsessed with how well they do the "two quirky women with a true crime podcast" voices 😭
I love when I recognize the voices of my favorite creators hehe. Great video!!
Massive jump up in editing quality, good work
How is this channel so small when every vid is a banger
Relatively*** sorry 30k is a far larger number of people than will ever listen to shit I say
I could never put into words why the True Crime community sketched me out but this really nailed it thank you.
Another excellent insightful video, my dude. Great work.