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Before and After Gran Turismo 7 Physics Change
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2022
- Before and After Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.13
The game physics and the whole driving model changed.
Now we try to see how much and where.
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This is a great video explains it so well and shows why I prefer the new physics. I want to have fun not tread on egg shells
Then your definition of fun is so out of step with many topsplitters lol
you casuals ruin everything
flash is no casual
Yes Richard it is out of step with top splitters. For reference anyone above 38k DR is in the top 1% of the game. Those at top split are around 85k DR + so I would deduce that my feelings are probably reflective of the vast majority in the game, not the vocal top split minority if that makes sense
@@gavcom4060absolutely!! So glad Microsoft didn't cater to the Horizon demographic. Such a shame to see GT7 create such a deep experience, only to play like a child's toy.
Definitely much needed. Tire/grip physics have been dodgy at best and super frustrating for anyone that has driven a real car. The cars snapping and sliding under 1/4-1/2 throttle and just acting like driving over patches of black ice is just extremely unrealistic and frustrating to drive.
Hopefully they continue to improve this.
Some complain about being easier, but I can't understand how people think that a car of this level doesn't tolerate the slightest touch of the accelerator.
It is evident that many cars had problems with traction, some of them were ridiculous as they slipped on the track.
I think it's more real now, maybe they'll make some simple adjustments so that it doesn't have as much grip, but without making everything slippery like before.
Most ppl agree that weird oversteer that effected specially the gr3 cars needed to be fix however PD kinda Overcorrected into the opposite direction now its way too much grip too understeery. PD just need to find a balance
I'd say it's more close to realism. Gr.3 cars understeer under acceleration. you can still spin up the rears at slow speeds, but with racing tires, rears grip up as you accelerate. still not perfect but it's somewhat realistic. street cars are still plenty over-steery.
source: armchair racing driver here :)
@@MidNightR_VSpec This I totally agree with. I would say I enjoyed the physics before they changed it but after playing with both and seeing this I think a nice medium somehow would be perfect.
The weight transfer was ridiculous I would violently spin way more than I should before the update.
911s were undrivable aside from the new GT3
Way too much understeer. It wasn't right before, but now it's way too far the other way. I hate understeer. Especially in a 600 HP 71 Mustang. WTF? I tried to spin the WRX GT4 car in sport mode. It's almost totally impossible to lose traction. If this pleases some then all good, each to theirs own. Traction control is not functioning at all anymore as you just don't need it, so why have it as an option? Snap oversteer bad before. Severe understeer now is worse imo.
One thing i said GT sport failed on was its unrealistic "sliding" physics, even at slow speeds when its not like a real car. GT7, well its very unrealistic in how a car snaps out, but the "slide" around corners was certainly better. With the new patch, i have played more than i have before it, for the simple reason the cars feel far more realistic and enjoyable to drive, and whilst the "elite" drivers may not be happy with this update, at the end of the day its a game, and games are meant to be fun, but my overriding argument is its now how cars do drive.
I found it provided closer racing, and "faster" drivers remained faster as there is no substitute to driving line, braking, carrying speed in corners, so i dont any negatives for this update.
Well said
indeed... i can now focus on racing the others rather then only trying to remain on track
the old physics model seemed a bit too harsh especially for controller players.seems like a good time to buy the game now.held back because of these issues. im hoping it will be a better experience for controller players.
The game is fantastic on controller. They’ve also changed how much trigger travel corresponds to full throttle which has made a huge difference!
@@AHR_James even better than GT sport? if so this is very encouraging! thanks for the feedback!
@@redkhamelejoon1599 ya better than gt sport
@@shashankars3632 Well well i guess its about that time i get in on the action! thanks
Can please anyone tell me what acceleration braking trigger effects do I don't understand it on the controller with the 3 settings off weak strong.
The video we all needed. Thanks again, keep pushing! Regards from a Spanish fan
With the old model is was also pretty ridiculous how much road cars were sliding at high speeds. Imagine if Ferrari got sued because every driver ever attempting a lane change on the Autobahn just died.
It’s an easy gold now for Nurburgring circuit experience on 1.13.
Neither model is correct. Before it was too random, now its too easy. You should get punished from your mistakes, which doesn't happen now. But you shouldn't be punished by randomness, like before. I hope they do a 3th model which is between those two.
Agree
This is the key
Yeh it’s annoying because I spent a long time getting good on controller and now my friends will probably be “as good” since they made all the cars so much easier to drive. We’ll see..
I know its personal bias but
I prefer the old handling bc it feels more realistic
Irl driving cars make you feel scared to push it and you totally know the danger of pushing
The new one feels more toned down on the realism
Nah. Race cars designed & set up to try to inspire maximum confidence in racing attack; modern one's much better at that vs older race cars. Way a few Gr3 cars handled in GT7 (eg Audi) surprising. Less race car, more suicide ship, which defeats design purpose. Update welcome!
@@nib95 well youre right on that
Just in my opinion i like snapy handling in a way but well if modern race cars are more safe that change is welcome
Also thanks for the kind manner mate! Its pretty rare nowadays
Realistic is Iracing or Assettto Corsa/ competizone
The New physic is more realistic. And i Like it!
I wanted to do such a video myself, but you've exhausted the topic - well done sir, you've earned yourself a sub! :) By the way, I "LOVE" how such a super important note is buried in the patch notes way too deep. Though good that Suzuki Cappuccino is mentioned first 😆Anyway, as a DualSense user it transforms the game for me, finally I can drive basically every car and have fun with it. No more random spins, Nurburgring experience was done with the first try (maybe they should lower the gold threshold, but well), and I'm winning some Daily races now. GREAT!
good breakdown, I hope they aim to have a nuanced driving model that takes some skill, but make it so that you can be competitive in any car in class.
Completely agree because before at least cars felt different to drive no they feel more samey
This update helped my 71 mustang gr4/classic trans am series tune alot.
A lotta cars benefit from this update. I was now able to get gold on some Circuit Experiences that I just couldn't get prior 1.13. But my Silvia Touring Car has suffered from these changes. The new understeer was seriously hurting it but I managed to tweak the suspension a bit, but still not what it was before the patch. Overall, I'd say the patch was a good thing but most existing setups for cars have to be adjusted now.
Does it seem way too static now? As if it's running on rails? And is there too much understeer?
It feels like a slip and slide game now like the game you play as a kid with your friends at birthday parties.
I enjoy GT7 more now after this update
Good direction but super formula, gr1 and gr2 (so generaly high downforce cars) need adjustment as you can take corners in speed way above what would be possible in this type of cars
Great video !! Well done 👍🏽
Thx for sharing
I liked the previous model more. It may have been an exaggerated amount of oversteer but it made me a better driver.
Now I feel like a baby 👶
agree
Haven't gotten on it yet but that's my fear 🤦♂️
Same here...
If you watch some grp 3 races you see that the rear snaps alot wen they put the power down after a slow corner, it's how down force works, more speed more grip, less speed.... thats the logic of trail braking. If you watch some grp 3 Nurbugring pilot pov on the Gtr you will notice that it hapens constantly. This said I haven't tried racing cars since the patch, been doing licenses, i just hope the rear snap is there but the suspension what I think was at fault on racing cars feels more like a heavy kart, by this I mean that grp 3 for exanple should be easyer to control the rear snap.
You should do a video of S-10! I still can’t even pass it. But, I suck, so that’s not saying much lol.
Previously the M6 is like a Minibus it doesn't want to turn when get corner wrong and try to slow down and hope to have more Rotation it doesn't turn it keeping the same rotation even car is much slower. after the update it does fixed the issues.
tho Audi still doesn't seem anything changed. while Lambo become a bit more like Audi but it actually more realism for Lambo i would say previously is just so planted gripy and so stable. but the sliding issues is still quite a handful without tuning.
but i'm still think the rear grip is too much on some corner like up and down slope on Maggiore 4th corner , now it pretty much full throttle on the most car.
Okay so what I found through playing is Progressive yes the group 3 cars and others have a bit more bite and the traction Department but this is where the tables turn racing courses were there is tire wear is where you lose that grip and if your car is under High horsepower you can break traction very easily... so I think this is a nice balance
Excellent content my friend you have just gain yourself a new sub
No matter what update I still can't drive for sh*t lmao. This Porsche Cafe menu is killing me
Stage 1 weight reduction, put some of that weight back in at the very front of the car via the ballast and Voila! Your RR now handles like an MR.
@@Official_MikeyT I'll give it a shot. I appreciate the help
The gap betewn lobies is goin to increase, because the queues you get from over driving will by morre sutle
Hmm my TV broke so I'm waiting till Friday to get a new one. Wonder what changes I'll need to make to my Ferrari 458 GT3.
RR cars are lot controllable in a good way. I think lots of almost impossible golds are now ..... possible :)
maybe PD added one higher grippy tires on the rear to comfort the complainers. (as a quick fix).
Try with set up the car with one softer tyres on the rear, to match pre patch setting.
Tbh... This model feels much better. As someone who used to use the Gr.3 R8 in gtsport the car was damn near undrivable before this patch. The game feels similar to AC when you have warmed up tires
Oh really? That's exciting then.
Just did the Nurb and got gold... like 4th try after completely giving up 2 weeks ago
Was sooo much easier
Do you know if this update count for the license? Because I managed to get many gold yesterday and I could not before the update
I managed to set a lap 4 seconds quicker with the f1500t on Bathurst after the update
what are your ffb settings in the game? I have the same dd pro
yep ..would be nice to know if received late adjustment post 1.13
It's a much better game for the update, great post Digit 👏
Like deployed 👍
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Even with all upgrades at 135 the cars would loose control, even in a long straight. I beat it and felt a bit ripped off because its not a huge leap from from gt sport...ill buy it in a feel months when the game settles..
I was still suspicious of the beemer when I started playin again after the update 😅
Thank you for this.
Camera sensitivity for external view on 1 is not enough, it needs a new update urgently to put at 0.0 equal to GT Sport. I'm waiting for this update to continue playing. What a disappointment!
I prefer the old physics since I actually felt like my driving was improving and I was becoming more confident in driving uncontrollable cars, but it certainly did need work for the other majority who were not happy abt how the snap oversteer effect was overdone.
But they’ve overcorrected the physics to the point where the game is now holding the hands of the majority who are average players, which regardless of skill level or controller/wheel user should not be the case since in order to get better your hand mustn’t be held.
I wish the physics of GT7 were sort of in the middle. Physics that are realistic and challenging enough for every player whilst still being approachable
I feel it is in the middle. You and a bunch of guys push yourselves to the limit on the same track over time will display what you just described at the end. Those who are really skilled will stand out after a while. It's way too early now to say that it doesn't do that
Also a WRX has a turning circle of 10.8 mtrs in real life. Not 30+ Mtrs according to GT7 after update 1.13. Yeah heaps realistic...
This phisycs mode is great for controller players (like myself), and on some cars you need tcs at 1 to get gold on licenses, but without licenses just racing you can now fllat the fudge out of LMP cars and they don´t even blink (using the 787B as example here), the car was a monster on the old engine, now is amazing and really feels like his irl part i guess.
Hahaha the weight transfer from before will take your arms off.
Looks similar to gt sport physics now
They fix fr cars... Hoping they would fix MR cars like Nsx
They did. I have an NSX Type R built to the exact spec of the 1995 Le Mans winner and before the update it was really twitchy and unpredictable. Now it still has sharp handling but it actually feels like a dialled in mid 90s endurance racer.
@@Official_MikeyT problem is tuned cars is basically negligable at the moment, I have a tuned gr3 NSX and I just tuned its lsd so that it won't be twitchy on brakes and lift, there was nothing wrong with it, I don't have a problem with fr cars as well before the patch except that it's wild on the back end (of course), I also use jaguar and supra and NSX at gr3, what I saw after the patch is the improvement of the m6 car, now I say why "tuned" cars are negligable because in sport mode is BoP, and balancing on that mode sucks because clearly the races is being dominated with 1 or 2 cars, either the car is bad for the tires, slow straight line speed not enough torque etc etc, I say this becuase I use non meta cars for daily races, it's just last week I was forced to use the atenza on monza, also If ever you see me race in a wrx that's because that's what I used when dragon tail track was on daily race b. People are saying not to use gt86 (which I have been using) so I bought a wrx just not to be bullied l, little did I know it was the car of choice rn on race b track
Don't notice much difference so far...but I'm slow anyways lol
DMC_292
Audi gt3 is most annoying before update. It slide every corner
Sport had it better I feel like
The shiy drivers are faster now
В чем разница??😁
When they make a game it will be the end product. Stop changing things to make it easyer for players that can t drive as well than others.. more selling more players that is the only thing that matters...
Trah-doll
OK, so it becomes GT sport physics now? 😂😂
this game is very far from being realistic. with gt7, i can't have that feeling that i can have from assetto. sliding, braking physics or force feedback. no way. I love matchmaking style and daily races, but not enough to have fun. gt7 feels like, just finisihing levels on a arcade game and finding sportmenship glitches at online races. thank you for good content.
then go play assetto
Comparing a true blood racing sim like AC with a simcade game like GT7…..
GT7 is made more accesible to the general public, and stuff like AC, Rfactor, iRacing,…. Are more specialized.
You tossing up a comparison between a specialized sim and GT7 says enough
@@mura-moto @J. Gainez "The Real Driving Simulator" are not my words. This what i paid for but not i've got.
@@gokhungok2063 driving simulator =/= racing sim - you make that comparison. PD and Sony never merketed it in the same category as any of the hardcore racing sims like AC, like you do.
It has always been marketed as a simcade title, treat it as such.
@@gokhungok2063 if you’re looking for extreme realism then go to a real track, no video game is going to perfectly mimic real life
Idk why they fucked with the physics to begin with. I'm sorry but i still think sport plays better. Not to mention there's alot more "Gran Turismo" style events. 7 is such a disappointment to me still. This isn't the "classic" gt they promised. Even the menus aren't gran Turismo feeling.
Im not even playing anymore
I play with a controller on ps4
On gt sport Id be 1.5 sec of the best on the leather board and now Im like between 3 and 4 sec
and I play with no assist except abs set to default ..they tried to please everyone but forgot their own..the game has potential tho..so I thought Ill go back on gt sport until they sort their mess out...but oh gt sport doesn't change their daily race..what a joke ..although gt7 controller turning sensitiveity can be adjusted to 10 with the latest update ,its still not enough and then if I go on a race with tire wear Im penalized again and Im so good I end up playing with the pro all the time but can't compete .they need to have controller/wheel class or its not fair..sorry for the rant ,I just had to tell someone 😔
Thats weird. Last week I was watching one of the top 10 best laps on Daily B (Monza) and the guy on 10th position clearly used controller. It kinda proves you can still be competetive here
@@MiPDarnok eMONACO_Damian was 3rd on that leaderboard and he's on DualSense
@@MiPDarnok Im playing on ps4pro
Maybe its faster on ps5 go figure
@@petripat5979 It's not much if it is. I myself am a DS4 user. I got within 2 tenths of #1 in Daily Race A last week.
wheel has an advantage but not much. just tire conservation and quicker steering through low speed corners. keep in mind, you can probably eliminate these too if you learn to use the motion controls to the max
It's not next gen at all.. not in the slightest way . Never considered buying this money-grabbing bs .
Nordschleife before Update 6.31,6
After Update First try Not the best lap 6.27,4
Sony…. WTF Are you doing 🙈😂
Lost the feeling of being on edge which is realistic!
Driving a 600hp car is not meant to be easy and feels like death
Not so fun mashing 100% throttle around corners without any car reaction, oversteer, or tank slap!
No, that's ridiculous. Modern racecars have tons of grip, they don't try to kill you around every corner. Look at any real GT3 video, they absolutely mash the throttle at corner exit.
@@bduddy55555 ummm don't need to see videos.
you said it yourself "mash the throttle on exit'
A modern race car will usually use rolling momentum or neutral throttle until apex of corner! At apex! they will normally mash it