Watches are a hobby. I don’t understand why some people seem so obsessively compelled to call others out for watches like these. Buy what you like at prices you can responsibly afford. They’re just watches, it’s not that serious! Have fun and enjoy the hobby!
Because some people spend thousands on their self image and are horrified that some plebe might be able to easily nullify what they think makes them "speshul", LOL!
@@varanid9 Basically. I'm not into fakes, but honestly, I'm thinking seriously about buying a nice $149 "replica" of a $250,000 Patek Phillipe just to make people wonder.
In general homage watches are worse in implementing. But again seems they have better price-quality ratio. Bad when you buy fake Rolex or something for showing off.
If it's not trying to look exactly like another brand, and is under its own brand, don't care about that part. Do care about engineering and craftsmanship. But I still don't usually like Patek styling.
Last year I got the Pagani Design "Seamaster 007". Not because I want to "show off" but because of what I got. It has an NH-35 Movement, ceramic bezel, sapphire crystal good Finnish and a very nice look. All that for 100€. As a student this was a no brainer. And I honestly do not care if people call me faker because of it.
@@obcane3072 well not alot of people acctually ask. But 2 have I laughed and showed them that its not an Omega. But fair enough one watch maker I gave it to was impressed for what you get for 100€. I still love it and wear it on holidays and so on. I think if you dont try to act like wearing the original there is nothing wrong with wearing such a watch. Especially if you buy it for its features and not its lookalike
I bought a pagani watch a while ago. The fit and finish is great and my lab equipment at work confirmed that it’s billet 304 stainless, and a real sapphire crystal.
I bought a Pagani Design Daytona and it's great value. The quality is pretty good for a $65 watch. It's my first chronograph and while it looks nice, I'm not sure if I'm a chronograph guy.
Great review. I enjoy learning about these knockoffs of drastically overpriced pieces. In case you didn't know "genuine leather" is not a good thing. It's a grade of leather as opposed to what it seems like it would be. It's the plywood equivalent where there's scraps of leather mixed with (in essence) saw dust then glued and press-heated into form. It will decay quickly, especially with any moisture. If you want a good leather look for "top grain" or "full grain"
I'm totally fine with homage watches if the design patent has run out. Most of these Swiss marketing companies (getting tough to call them watch companies) are only iterating on back catalog designs from the 60s and 70s and should be on the hook for not innovating.
@@locutusdborg126, good thing I can google. 15 years The design patent term is 15 years from the date you file an application. In 2015, the design patent term changed from 14 years to 15 years. The longer term applies to any applications filed on or after May 13, 2015. Be aware, however, that some websites report that the change began effective December 18, 2013.
There's no such thing as a design patent. Patents are only for technical innovations, and they have a limited shelf life. I want great innovations to end up in more watches. There is trade dress, which protects the Royal Oak in the US for example (established by lawsuit). But a design is really free for all if the company doesn't bother to protect it.
@@johnanth you're wrong. In the United States, a design patent is a form of legal protection granted to the ornamental design of a functional item. Design patents are a type of industrial design right. Ornamental designs of jewelry, furniture, beverage containers and computer icons are examples of objects that are covered by design patents. Trade dress usually refers to packaging, or distinct colours used. It's not only doubtful, but proven that trade dress doesn't apply to something like the design of the submariner or ap royal oak as there are so many homages that are not being litigated.
There’s no patent on watch design, even the Rolex handset is based on a famous car company logo , all the famous Swiss manufacturers copy each other. I actually think Rolex are quite relaxed about Homages ( not fakes) as they are a form of aspirational advertising .
NH35-A is a solid movement, honestly I don't judge people that buy homage watches. You wanna get the feel of one of the expensive ones and if you like it, you can save for the real deal. The one that looks like a nautilus is pretty nice imo
One other remark: The particular choice was not a lucky one. Try to stack up a Tisell, San Martin, Steel dive, Proxima and Pagani Design (not this Pagrne…) against the watches they are imitating and what you will find is, that they do a pretty decent job in scratching that itch for a DJ or a Sub or a high end Seiko. And for the Seiko part: They use Sapphire (not hardlex) and they are aligned, which Seiko fails to deliver :-( So for a fraction of a price you get a well made watch with a reliable Seiko movement.
@@DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw at the end of the day, my reaction to your comment is: who cares? The majority of humans out on the street don’t pay attention to watches. Probably 98% of passersby won’t know any luxury brands (besides Rolex), much less recognize any original and iconic (to us geeks) designs. So I say: let people wear what they want on their wrists. I have a fake Nautilus (which I’m wearing right now ha). I’ve owned it for a year now, and the only person who noticed it was a fellow watch enthusiast I hung out with… yesterday. So yeah, no one cares what I’m wearing. I also own a (real) Orient Bambino, and a Seiko Alpinist which I love too. So I appreciate many affordable designs by reputable brands in my price bracket. But while I own those, I won’t begrudge anyone who wants to see what it “feels like” or might “look like” to own a luxury piece they’d otherwise never allow themselves to splurge on. It doesn’t harm anyone. It also doesn’t affect the market share of giants like Patek or Rolex, since they limit the number of pieces they pump into the market anyway, and small-time potential buyers (like me) could’ve never gotten one of those anyway. It’s fun to wear my fake Nautilus because nobody in my life cares what it is, and I can get to see what it looks like on my wrist :)
@@Entertainer114 1. Learn to be succinct in your writing. Learn to use paragraphs. 2. You're trying too hard to justify buying and wearing fake stuff. Just admit you're wearing it to impress others--why else would you wear fake stuff? 3. I prefer to put that money into a watch that has its own original design. If I can't afford something that I really, really want, I scrimp and save and work my ass off to eventually get it, not take a short-cut and buy a knock off.
@@DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw Why do you care what other people wear and assume it’s to impress others? I bought a Pagani design years ago because I liked the look of the Submariner but didn’t like it enough to justify coughing up $10k+. I couldn’t care less what other people thought of it. I’ve never understood this mentality of calling out fakes/homages. Does it make you feel superior? Does it somehow stop people from buying more fakes/homages? As far as I can tell, no. So, why? All it does is make the person calling others out look foolish.
@@DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw you are projecting, watches are a great invention and the expensive ones are works of art that only a select group can appreciate, but not all can afford. 99% of watch enthusiasts don't know how to take apart, service and put back together a watch. That groups opinion is the only one that matters to me.
Such watches got me into collecting watches. I loved watches, but had no money for a rolex or an omega agd didnt want to buy clones. My favorite was Pagani design.
Your self awareness regarding your own Seiko homage is inspiring. I have always felt that those who look down on homages and "clomages" to be a bit silly: most watches borrow heavily from others, and we can't all buy a Rolex Submariner or Daytona. It is also highly convenient to have a cheaper version of your main watch that you can bang around. That said, the thing the haters all say does have some truth to it: if you are buying an homage to cure the itch for the real deal, it will only work for a little while. You will ultimately seek out the watch you really want.
The prices on most of these are actually pretty high considering that they are no name Chinese watches. For those prices one can buy nice watches from decent micro-brands or even the established brands.
I tend to disagree. I bought quite a few watches from AliExpress and almost all of them cost well below 200$. The Aquaracer lookalike from the video cost me well below 100$ including shipping. And the bang for the buck is quite good actually. Sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel insert, solid links and endlinks, a milled clasp... I don't know a microbrand where you get all of this for such a low price let alone a well established watch company. Try getting a Seiko with sapphire crystal and a decent bracelet for under 500$ and you'll know what I mean. Surely these watches are all "heavily inspired" if not plain copy's of more famous watches but they are certainly worth the money in terms of quality. If you really want a extraordinarily well made and just as well specd watch look at San Martin. I will say you are hard pressed to find a better watch for a similar price.
I just bought an *Invicta Pro Diver 8928OB* for $45 (US). It is amazing for the price! My bezel has NO play whatsoever! Try getting one and doing a review! ☺️ It has Seiko NH35A movement! I am watch newb, so I am playing it safe by going cheap, to test the waters. 😁 I am satisfied so far! ☺️ You gave very fair reviews for these watches. They are actually amazing for such small price to pay!
I own a pagani designs, a Tag Heuer, a steinhart and. Hamilton...the £50 pagani easily holds its own and it's nice knowing if I break it or lose it I won't b upset... Great watch for the money, holds perfect time too.
I've had a Pagani "Kermit" sub homage for over a year. I swim with it and it's been a great piece. The Seiko NH35 has proven to be a work horse. I agree it's a great way to get a feel for a luxury piece to see if you're ready to commit.
16:45 show me Seiko with sapphire, ceramic bezel and automatic hackable movement for the same price, please. That is the thing... If you want those durable materials there are hardly any other options then those so called "homages/clomages" at this price point.
If those watches have the same quality as the seiko, I can see you having an argument. However the problem I have with these watches are they haven't been proven to be slave labor free. I am trying (my best) to avoid buying ANYTHING MADE IN CHINA.
@@casualsuede so no iphone or Android? Iphone factory has nets outside windows so the slave workers don't commit suicide. And they force abortions on female workers.
By enlarge that is true but a lot of high end straps have genuine leather embossed into them to., for example Colareb, an Italian company that uses the best quality leather.
Even QC on Rolex brand watches have some issues (and hold back your watch warranty for 12 months). And don't think that high dollar mechanical Automatic watches do not have problems keeping time with the watch having to be sent back time after time to the authorised dealer to get it fixed (in house calibre that they wouldn't replace) until the owner just gave up and now the watch just resides in the back of a drawer.
Nothing wrong with a homage as long as it doesn't try to identify as the real deal. Lots of big brands take inspiration from each other so why shouldn't you be able to take something stylish for reasonable money as long as its not a fake/clone
I've got a few watches with NH35/6 movements, basic, yes but they all run at less than + 10 secs per 24 hours on wrist, a couple actually beat my ETA 2824/ Sellita SW200 movement watches which seem to be around +3-5 secs per 24 hours on wrist. Given the low purchase price that makes most of these a decent proposition for people who think spending four figures plus on a watch is a bit extravagant
Regarding punching holes in straps: For members of the IBWC, it's well worth buying a leather hole punch in the appropriate size to do the hole punching, rather than just using any sharp object. They only cost a couple of ££, and do a FAR neater job! Available from Amazon / Ebay etc.
These watches are from the second tier of recent Chinese watches. I would be interested in Jenni's opinion watches of the top tier from San Martin or Cronos. I have a Cronos GMT watch, which is a shameless knockoff of the Pepsi GMT Master, but it is of quite high quality, running about 4 sec/day slow with zero beat error for several months now. The better Chinese watches are in my opinion at least a match for low end Tissots or similar Swiss watches.
If she gets lucky and gets a San Martin without any problems, she might be impressed by them. Personally, I own 5 San Martin Watches, every single one of them have problems. Misaligned bezel inserts, Misaligned cyclops, an unhealthy SW200 movement in one of them, and almost all of them the crown is wobbly and the stems are not cut to the proper length. Oh, I also have the Vintage 38mm diver, the lume on the hands has deteriorated within months of owning it. It was like pulling teeth to get them to simply send me a new set of hands. As for the SW200 movement, I put it on the time Grapher and it was at -40 seconds a day, I opened up the case back to see it was advanced some, I maxed it out and now it's at -22 seconds a day. When unscrewing the crown, it doesn't automatically let you wind it, you have to pull the crown out a little to get it to catch.
I do plan on giving Cronos a chance here soon. One company I've not had a single problem with, Phylida, AL 3 of my watches work perfectly and the crown and stems work like they should.
I totally agree! I own a San Martin diver and is awesome, i actually have been lucky enough to get an actual submariner on my hands and I have to say, in quality it's pretty similar obviously the Rolex is better and the movement is on another level but I'm pretty happy for a 95% discount. Mine runs +2s a day
The NH35 and 36 movements are awesome workhorses for the money, I can dial one in to +-2 sec on my chronograph. The movements don't need work very often and I'd rather have a homage any day with thousands in my pocket then on my wrist. Plus I don't need to worry about being robbed with a homage watch on, I can wear it anywhere and leave my money in the bank where it's safe.
Jenni Elle is a brave woman. I love she wears the watches, there's no such a thing like male or female watches, just watches in several sizes. Regarding the main topic of the video a fully endorse her point of view.
Based on the price limitations you were operating under, many of these were not the best brands of homage watches. The Cadisen was probably the best, and they actually have some watches that are not homages. If you go to Amazon and look up San Martin, they are very good, though more expensive. They often win lume competitions on watch channels, have water resistance from 200m to 1000 m, and offer high beat movement options, such as the ST 5000, or the Sellita SW 200 Swiss movement. They quite often out perform micro brands at 1/2 to 2/3 the price. You can check out I Like Watches or Just One More Watch for San Martin reviews, though many channels have reviewed them. I like them.
I own a tissel hulk. miyota 9015, decent bezel action, good lume, and for me anyways, most of all they aped the glide lock clasp as well. Good value for $240, I may get their explorer homage as well. I own a couple grand seikos, a speedy and a seamaster (the previous glossy dial version). Is the tissel a luxury watch, no. Is it good value for $240, yes. I wear it a shocking amount.
Agree with your San Martin comments. And actually since your original comment, the quality and design of their recent models have continued to improve.
Good video, btw the bezel on the Bersigar Diver is locked from turning the other direction, typical of all diver watches, because when diving if you bumped the bezel and turned it the wrong way it could add time to your dive and you could possible run out of oxygen before getting to the surface.
Jenni is right, and I say this as an owner of a few homage watches. These Chinese brands with weird names are a genre of their own when it comes to watches, and the quality will actually vary based on what brand it says on the dial. Yes, they do seem to "borrow" a lot of parts from each other, and I have no evidence against that some of these brands comes from the same people at the same factory. For me I did a lot of research before buying the watches I have (both of them from San Martin, arguably the best of these brands, especially when it comes to QC), and I am very pleased with what I got. The NH35 is a very reliable movement, and the bezel action on my San Martin SN017 is on par with a $5000 Omega (the sound is a tiny bit different, but I genuinely can't feel a difference when comparing the two), and the satin finish on the watch and bracket is absolutely incredible considering this is a $230 watch. I bought it only because I like the Submariner, but I am miles from being able to afford one, so this was a good alternative I felt, even though there are many other nice dive watches I could have gotten for a similar price as the San Martin.
The Steeldive 1970 Captain Willard is excellent. I bought it and I’m proud to wear it. It’s basically a Seiko without the logo. If Seiko had a problem with it they wouldn’t sell the parts to Steeldive.
Also, if Seiko had a problem with Steeldive offering a nicer watch for $85 than they are offering for $1200, Seiko would devote themselves to quality control and do something about misaligned bezels and indices and poorly fit end links before they leave the factory. My Steeldive Willard has been “on the way” for almost a month now, but hopefully it will arrive this week. I’m looking forward to it.
@@DanaTheInsane Yeah, while mine sat in customs in LA for over two weeks I contacted the company who said “oh why didn’t you buy it from our US distributor?” They never told me who that was though. Where did you get yours from? Mine finally arrived and it is what I wear 90% of the time now. Big watch, short lug-to-lug. Really kind of couldn’t be any more comfortable. One end link is a little stiff, but other than that it’s a great watch and I am very happy.
Additional info: That blue coating at the end of the crown on the Cadisen, is a protective coating that will eventually wear off or you can try to scrap it off with a fingernail. The coating on the crown of my Zebec Corsair just finished coming off after about 3 weeks.
Nice to see a post! Because you handle the original, you draw good contrast to the imitation and it's short comings. This answers the question, "why does the original cost so much?" that I think many people wonder.
Jenni, be very careful when posting a video like this. There are other RUclips channels that have been taken down for using trademark brand names in conjunction with homage watches. Gary at I Like Watches has experienced this. He has done several videos on the subject which you might find helpful.
I own two Pagani Design watches and they are great. Both are rolex look-a-likes and both have been mistaken for Rolexes in jewelry stores. They are great quality, feel solid and are especially great if you want to test one out and see how it feels on your wrist for a while
I don't see any problem with owning a watch in the style of another , the Seiko tank you own is a perfect example ...Many of the Watch Companies over the years since 1919 have produced their own Tanks after Cartiers original in 1917, some with variation and some are basically copies , but they are all good watches and worth their money . I own a Longines Tank that I bought back in the 80's, and I bought my daughter in-Law a Rotary Tank for Christmas , I don't have £6,300 for a Rose Gold Cartier Tank, but I do have £78 for a Rose Gold plated Rotary Tank to give her a little style and beauty on her wrist.
Jenny , Last month I began to buy chinese watches,I own one hundred twenty six Swiss and German and Japenese upper scale new watches. I will see how the chinese age and last with use. They are a lot cheaper and look very well done.For average buyer. The top of my collections is Rolex and all high brands. Time will tell. Cheers I have Been collecting seven years.
There are hundreds of 'homage' watches available - some of them are very well made (as mentioned in some of the other comments) Ironically, many of the homages use Seiko movements and are better built than Seiko's own watches......
The other channels got into trouble for using trademarked words like submariner and Datejust to describe homages and then leaving links to buy them .Jenni has'nt posted any links so will be fine .
I have several Pagani design homages that are quite nice in the US$80 to 140 range, ie Planet Ocean, Seamaster, Yachtmaster with NH35 movements plus my favorites, a couple of PD-1664 Daytona Everose homages with Seiko VK63 mechaquartz movements. Being retired any of the Omega or Rolex originals are beyond what I could ever afford but I can enjoy wearing a nice homage just as much as an original for a tiny fraction of the cost and no worries about damage or loss Good review and hope you are staying away from the anti health C19 vax
When buying these watches you don't buy the automatic movements unless it's a seiko but non the less the Japanese qaurtz is the way to go and also thinner and more reliable . The BUREI "qaurtz " is amazing ! I own 2 of them now for over 5 years and no problem at all. The burei is beautiful !
Thanks for this video! I must say, I was surprised to learn the prices for these pieces is not inconsiderable. I personally would consider a Steinhart or established micro brand that are a bit more expensive but would be more reliable and serviceable. I also think these are for the most part too big.
Really? I bought the "Aquaracer" lookalike last year from AliExpress for 86$ including shipping. I can't see how anyone would call this a "not inconsiderable price"... You get a stainless steel watch with a saphire crystal, ceramic bezel, a bulletproof Seiko NH35, solid links and endlinks and a milled clasp. All for well under 100$
No one is forcing you to wear a watch that's "too large" in your eyes! Try being 6'6" with a 23 cm wrist, like myself and your too big watches look like a child's watch on my arm! My normal watch is a 47 mm, but I have a few that venture into the low to mid 50 mm watches. But I actually have the wrist to make it look normal! And my wife loves my larger watches, and says the smaller watches look like an old grandpa's watch! I tend to agree with her! If I had that kind of cash laying around in a 401 k ...there are a couple of IWC's pilot's watches I would love to own. But that's about it! Rolex's...I have had 2...I didn't like either one. My Tag was nice..small but still nice. My daily watch is usually a G Shock....50mm+ versions preferred.
Better to buy an Orient or Seiko than these, better made and aren't pretending to be something they're not. Orient in particular make very nice affordable automatics, the Bambino is spectacular value for money.
@@totallyradwithjosie3225 I think that's just a trend....I mean yes they've had some QC issues but they're still Seiko...where else can you get a Grand Seiko handmade?
Let's be honest. Not everyone could afford luxury watches. I think these watches are fine not because of their brand but because the built quality and materials for the price. Seiko can't even provide that kind of price with the same specs.
To give the high end a break the one thing that makes them expensive is if they are real gold then gold is gold and if it’s 18 k solid she’ll then you’re buying the gold but if you buy a knock off it might not be gold but the movement now is pretty good in these knock off’s and they look pretty good .
You are fantastic in every way. Honest, educated, and well articulated. Please keep up your incredible videos and give Grand Seiko the love they deserve!
The blue paint on the crown is just a protective layer that scratches off with a fingernail pretty easily. I build my own watches by buying the different parts (movement, case, dial, hands) and putting them together. The crowns on steel cases usually have the blue paint for some reason. I think it is just protection, but it could also be how the manufacturer indicates that the case has been inspected or something.
These are NOT Rolex’s, they don’t Pretend to me Rolex, Patek Phillipe, etc They’re Cheap watches that Look Nice 👍🏻 I’ve just got 3 BiDen ones from Amazon, Try at home free for 7 days! Send them back Or buy what you want to, So they’re Not ‘Fake Watches’ they’re ‘Real Watches’ by a Different make! I’m happy with these, 3 watches for about £80 UK 🇬🇧 I Really like the Gold and Black face, with a Lovely Camel Brown leather strap, I like it and that’s all that matters 👍🏻
I don't think it's a ripoff, I think they tangled with the car company of the same name and rather than face some sort of legal action they changed the name.
Thing is, for most of us, we may be lucky enough to own one luxury watch in our lifetime…but buying a homage watch gives you an opportunity to get some experience with different designs etc, that way you can really fall in love with a particular watch and make that watch your end goal! So I think that they are great!
Interesting video, Jenny. Thank you. These are nice watches. They are affordable watches which design may be inspired by other watches but I will not consider these as imitations. Over time these brands would grow to become like some of the brands that inspired them. Fun times.
I'm tempted by a Pagani Design Royal Oak. For under 100 dollars on sale, it's a great looking watch, and gives me the Royal Oak look that you can't really get until you move up to the ML Aikon (Tissot PRX is a bit too dressy to be a RO)
Jenni, they are not "fakes" they are homage watches a fake is a counterfeit watch which would actually have stolen logo on the face such as Rolex, Omega or some other high end brand. If it says Pagani or Cadisen or whatever it clearly a homage but not a fake. Homage watches are legal where fake counterfeit watches are illegal and should not be purchased since they often fund criminal activity.
I’m one of the people buying some homage watches. Not because I want to fool people I’m wearing a luxury watch but because I love the looks of the originals but don’t like their prices. For example, the Aquanaut 5167R is my grail watch and not something I’ll ever buy. Instead I bought a Specht & Sohne Classic snd love it! The watch makes me smile every time I look at it. I also have a few Pagani Design and even an Invicta or two. My collection is inexpensive compared to “serious” collectors but it still brings me enjoyment and I don’t sweat wearing any of my watches in the $100-$200 range whereas wearing a $600-$1000 watch still makes me nervous about dinging them.
Each homage style is different but if a person wanting something in that Submariner style, I would opt for a Invicta Pro Diver. The quality to me just feels there even with hollow end links and a stamped clasp (which just feels vintage to me). The bezel action is great and so is the crown and you are getting a known brand love it or hate it. And cost half the price of these on prime day or black friday.
I always think a genuine Breitling looks like it cost twenty pounds! They look cheap and tacky, my opinion! However my friends 32K Breitling watch fell off his wrist. He’s a Rolex man like me now. The first watch I owned was a Seiko, it cost £90 37 years ago, I still have it and love it. Every watch collector remembers their first watch and I’m sure not all of them cost 25K. Haters hate because it’s all they are good at, if you love watches and collect it doesn’t matter how much they cost. Not even relevant.
On a whim I recently bought a Benyar version of the Rolex Explorer....not a direct copy but very, very similar. I cannot justify spending thousands on a watch so this $50 Benyar suits me for now. Until the movement fails lol, which could be any moment.
Jenni: Do you have any recommendation for a good thin (not more than 6 mm thick) watch in the $ 2,000 US dollar range? You know so much about watches so that's why I thought I'd ask.
As a die hard Nomos fan, I feel kind of sick that I don’t hate that copy. It’s obvious to a fan where the deficiencies are, but as a stand alone cheap alternative, it’s not bad. 😐😞😢
Here's my guidelines/tips for buying Homage watches. (I'm not a big homage watch collector, but I do own a few, and they're not just random picks). My first tip is that you should always look up the watch on RUclips first before buying, and make sure to watch some videos/reviews that are not sponsored or affiliated. Secondly, check out the best alternatives. There's usually more than one good candidate for each model (let's say a Sub-homage), but for some reason you don't like the big, hexagonal logo of the best one, you might find more joy in a slightly less rated variant. So even though the best bang for buck is this or that, make your pick where you feel your taste meets the honest reviews. And if you don't find the perfect homage on Amazon or Ali Express, you can always check out the vast universe of Seiko mods, and thus might even get something slightly more custom made to your liking, and with a familiar brand on the dial. Also, very few of these homage watches will maintain much second hand value, so always consider that you'll lose a chuck of the money you pay for it. Also keep an eye out for what movement the watch has, is it a Seiko, Miota, or a Seagull it's usually a more safe bet in regards if ypu want to keep the watch for decades (as a new movement is most often cheaper than servicing the original). There's also a bunch of micro brands and Homage brands that sre not on Ali or Amazon, stay on the lookout for thwse as some of these are quite good. And lastly, always remember that gold plating and such will always be of a lesser standard on more affordable watches. Don't have big expectations, especially on two-tone watches and bracelets. Right now, I'm kinda debating with myself if I should get built a rose gold Nautilus/Aquanaut watch with either a black or olive dial and a tropical rubber strap for it. It'll mainly be a home-alone piece, and I don't consider it as any guilt or shame around this as I'll probably never gonna afford an actual rosegold Patek.
The first drag race occurred immediately after the second car was built. The second watch ever built was a clone.. I've enjoyed my $46 eBay india seiko automatic for over a year now, and I get compliments every time I wear it..
Sure, I bought the $79 Pagani Design Daytona homage so I could tell if I'd like it before buying the $25k Rolex. Hahahahahahaha. No. I bought it because I'll never buy the Rolex and if I did it would live in a safe deposit box where I might, maybe, take it out on my birthday. Wake up, homages aren't popular for that reason, they're popular because many people of average income don't see value in spending a year's worth of mortgage payments on a luxury watch.
Why not save up and buy a good watch instead of a cheap, nasty homage/copy? If you can’t justify buying a Rolex, Cartier or AP why not aim for a Longines, Oris, Baume & Mercier, Certina or any number of other “proper” watches? Life is short and quality matters!
@@dougm659 There are plenty of homage brands like Pagani Design, that deliver a very high quality for the price you pay. And they are not cheap and nasty watches.
@@dougm659 My car cost £3000, I live in a trailer that cost £6000. I have an ordinary job at less than national average pay. Tell me how I could justify £3000 for a watch,...
the argument can go in circles but one could argue that even the high end watches are homages to rolex and blancpain since they were the first on the block with specific styles of dive watches. watches can only have so many practical designs. i own or have owned Cartier, Longines, Ball, Sinn, Bulova and Seiko watches etc. and on a whim bought a Cronos. way better in build and finish than i expected. kinda rocked my world truth be told. in recent weeks the only time someone made mention of a watch i was wearing i had on a bulova computron which is just different enough to garner some interest. p.s. enjoyed the video! thanks.
Yeah, Cronos and San Martin seem to be the homage watch companies that have decided to really put their shoulders into quality control and it has garnered them a loyal following. I have a San Martin homage to the Seiko 62MAS and it is very well made and quite nice looking. Ultimately I find it too heavy for my liking and will probably sell it, but if you don’t mind a somewhat chunky diver I recommend it.
The best thing about these Datejust/Day-date copies is that you have access to steel jubilee bracelets for very cheap ! In fact I just put a chinese steel jubilee on my Day-date and kept the original bracelet on the box, to keep it safe and from scratching
Ziarex have best clones but never in stock :(
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Rolex doesn't sell watches your ADs are just museums
Before, there was only China selling replicas and manufacturing them, but now ZiaRex is the best in the world and operates from Europe.
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I tried many, but those guys are no joke, they sell something that you cannot buy anywhere else.
Ziarex must be stopped at all costs. People are losing money since their mega clone watches started to be sold as originals on the aftermarket.
Die Markt regelt....immer !
Watches are a hobby. I don’t understand why some people seem so obsessively compelled to call others out for watches like these. Buy what you like at prices you can responsibly afford. They’re just watches, it’s not that serious! Have fun and enjoy the hobby!
Because some people spend thousands on their self image and are horrified that some plebe might be able to easily nullify what they think makes them "speshul", LOL!
@@varanid9 Basically. I'm not into fakes, but honestly, I'm thinking seriously about buying a nice $149 "replica" of a $250,000 Patek Phillipe just to make people wonder.
In general homage watches are worse in implementing. But again seems they have better price-quality ratio.
Bad when you buy fake Rolex or something for showing off.
If it's not trying to look exactly like another brand, and is under its own brand, don't care about that part. Do care about engineering and craftsmanship. But I still don't usually like Patek styling.
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Last year I got the Pagani Design "Seamaster 007". Not because I want to "show off" but because of what I got. It has an NH-35 Movement, ceramic bezel, sapphire crystal good Finnish and a very nice look. All that for 100€. As a student this was a no brainer. And I honestly do not care if people call me faker because of it.
You tell em man, fk what people think
I also bought that. For the price, you can't go wrong with it, but don't buy watches which have no benefits
Has anyone called you out for it? Do people ask you about it?
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@@obcane3072 well not alot of people acctually ask. But 2 have I laughed and showed them that its not an Omega. But fair enough one watch maker I gave it to was impressed for what you get for 100€.
I still love it and wear it on holidays and so on. I think if you dont try to act like wearing the original there is nothing wrong with wearing such a watch. Especially if you buy it for its features and not its lookalike
I bought a pagani watch a while ago. The fit and finish is great and my lab equipment at work confirmed that it’s billet 304 stainless, and a real sapphire crystal.
I bought a Pagani Design Daytona and it's great value. The quality is pretty good for a $65 watch. It's my first chronograph and while it looks nice, I'm not sure if I'm a chronograph guy.
Yeah, but this is a Pagrne, if you look closely... it's a ripoff of a ripoff.
@@MetalTrabant Apparently they rebrand as Pagarne in certain markets due to legal reasons, Pagani is a car manufacturer.
I've been trying to find an Alpha Day date for a long time :(
Even fake Rolex steel watches are difficult to find
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess Bullshit.
"Jenni does JOMW" I can't wait for the collab.
Great review. I enjoy learning about these knockoffs of drastically overpriced pieces.
In case you didn't know "genuine leather" is not a good thing. It's a grade of leather as opposed to what it seems like it would be. It's the plywood equivalent where there's scraps of leather mixed with (in essence) saw dust then glued and press-heated into form. It will decay quickly, especially with any moisture.
If you want a good leather look for "top grain" or "full grain"
I'm totally fine with homage watches if the design patent has run out. Most of these Swiss marketing companies (getting tough to call them watch companies) are only iterating on back catalog designs from the 60s and 70s and should be on the hook for not innovating.
Fortunately, you do not write international law.
@@locutusdborg126, good thing I can google.
15 years
The design patent term is 15 years from the date you file an application. In 2015, the design patent term changed from 14 years to 15 years. The longer term applies to any applications filed on or after May 13, 2015. Be aware, however, that some websites report that the change began effective December 18, 2013.
There's no such thing as a design patent. Patents are only for technical innovations, and they have a limited shelf life. I want great innovations to end up in more watches. There is trade dress, which protects the Royal Oak in the US for example (established by lawsuit). But a design is really free for all if the company doesn't bother to protect it.
@@johnanth you're wrong. In the United States, a design patent is a form of legal protection granted to the ornamental design of a functional item. Design patents are a type of industrial design right. Ornamental designs of jewelry, furniture, beverage containers and computer icons are examples of objects that are covered by design patents. Trade dress usually refers to packaging, or distinct colours used. It's not only doubtful, but proven that trade dress doesn't apply to something like the design of the submariner or ap royal oak as there are so many homages that are not being litigated.
There’s no patent on watch design, even the Rolex handset is based on a famous car company logo , all the famous Swiss manufacturers copy each other. I actually think Rolex are quite relaxed about Homages ( not fakes) as they are a form of aspirational advertising .
NH35-A is a solid movement, honestly I don't judge people that buy homage watches. You wanna get the feel of one of the expensive ones and if you like it, you can save for the real deal. The one that looks like a nautilus is pretty nice imo
One other remark: The particular choice was not a lucky one. Try to stack up a Tisell, San Martin, Steel dive, Proxima and Pagani Design (not this Pagrne…) against the watches they are imitating and what you will find is, that they do a pretty decent job in scratching that itch for a DJ or a Sub or a high end Seiko. And for the Seiko part: They use Sapphire (not hardlex) and they are aligned, which Seiko fails to deliver :-(
So for a fraction of a price you get a well made watch with a reliable Seiko movement.
Nevermind that they steal other companies’ designs. We found the fake watch wearer in the group!
@@DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw at the end of the day, my reaction to your comment is: who cares? The majority of humans out on the street don’t pay attention to watches. Probably 98% of passersby won’t know any luxury brands (besides Rolex), much less recognize any original and iconic (to us geeks) designs. So I say: let people wear what they want on their wrists. I have a fake Nautilus (which I’m wearing right now ha). I’ve owned it for a year now, and the only person who noticed it was a fellow watch enthusiast I hung out with… yesterday. So yeah, no one cares what I’m wearing. I also own a (real) Orient Bambino, and a Seiko Alpinist which I love too. So I appreciate many affordable designs by reputable brands in my price bracket. But while I own those, I won’t begrudge anyone who wants to see what it “feels like” or might “look like” to own a luxury piece they’d otherwise never allow themselves to splurge on. It doesn’t harm anyone. It also doesn’t affect the market share of giants like Patek or Rolex, since they limit the number of pieces they pump into the market anyway, and small-time potential buyers (like me) could’ve never gotten one of those anyway. It’s fun to wear my fake Nautilus because nobody in my life cares what it is, and I can get to see what it looks like on my wrist :)
@@Entertainer114 1. Learn to be succinct in your writing. Learn to use paragraphs.
2. You're trying too hard to justify buying and wearing fake stuff. Just admit you're wearing it to impress others--why else would you wear fake stuff?
3. I prefer to put that money into a watch that has its own original design. If I can't afford something that I really, really want, I scrimp and save and work my ass off to eventually get it, not take a short-cut and buy a knock off.
@@DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw Why do you care what other people wear and assume it’s to impress others? I bought a Pagani design years ago because I liked the look of the Submariner but didn’t like it enough to justify coughing up $10k+. I couldn’t care less what other people thought of it.
I’ve never understood this mentality of calling out fakes/homages. Does it make you feel superior? Does it somehow stop people from buying more fakes/homages? As far as I can tell, no. So, why? All it does is make the person calling others out look foolish.
@@DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw you are projecting, watches are a great invention and the expensive ones are works of art that only a select group can appreciate, but not all can afford. 99% of watch enthusiasts don't know how to take apart, service and put back together a watch. That groups opinion is the only one that matters to me.
Only Jenni could make Bersigar, Burei, and Cadisen sound so high end with how she pronounces them 😂
Such watches got me into collecting watches. I loved watches, but had no money for a rolex or an omega agd didnt want to buy clones. My favorite was Pagani design.
Your self awareness regarding your own Seiko homage is inspiring. I have always felt that those who look down on homages and "clomages" to be a bit silly: most watches borrow heavily from others, and we can't all buy a Rolex Submariner or Daytona. It is also highly convenient to have a cheaper version of your main watch that you can bang around. That said, the thing the haters all say does have some truth to it: if you are buying an homage to cure the itch for the real deal, it will only work for a little while. You will ultimately seek out the watch you really want.
Am I really going to wear a Rolex diving, Not, Seiko hits the water.
The prices on most of these are actually pretty high considering that they are no name Chinese watches. For those prices one can buy nice watches from decent micro-brands or even the established brands.
I tend to disagree. I bought quite a few watches from AliExpress and almost all of them cost well below 200$.
The Aquaracer lookalike from the video cost me well below 100$ including shipping. And the bang for the buck is quite good actually. Sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel insert, solid links and endlinks, a milled clasp...
I don't know a microbrand where you get all of this for such a low price let alone a well established watch company. Try getting a Seiko with sapphire crystal and a decent bracelet for under 500$ and you'll know what I mean. Surely these watches are all "heavily inspired" if not plain copy's of more famous watches but they are certainly worth the money in terms of quality.
If you really want a extraordinarily well made and just as well specd watch look at San Martin. I will say you are hard pressed to find a better watch for a similar price.
I just bought an *Invicta Pro Diver 8928OB* for $45 (US). It is amazing for the price! My bezel has NO play whatsoever! Try getting one and doing a review! ☺️ It has Seiko NH35A movement!
I am watch newb, so I am playing it safe by going cheap, to test the waters. 😁 I am satisfied so far! ☺️
You gave very fair reviews for these watches. They are actually amazing for such small price to pay!
I own a pagani designs, a Tag Heuer, a steinhart and. Hamilton...the £50 pagani easily holds its own and it's nice knowing if I break it or lose it I won't b upset...
Great watch for the money, holds perfect time too.
I've had a Pagani "Kermit" sub homage for over a year. I swim with it and it's been a great piece. The Seiko NH35 has proven to be a work horse. I agree it's a great way to get a feel for a luxury piece to see if you're ready to commit.
16:45 show me Seiko with sapphire, ceramic bezel and automatic hackable movement for the same price, please. That is the thing... If you want those durable materials there are hardly any other options then those so called "homages/clomages" at this price point.
And then there's Seiko quality control issues.....
If those watches have the same quality as the seiko, I can see you having an argument.
However the problem I have with these watches are they haven't been proven to be slave labor free. I am trying (my best) to avoid buying ANYTHING MADE IN CHINA.
@@casualsuede how is it that slave labor can consistently produce watches with aligned bezels, chapter rings, and dials? Yet at will labor cannot?
@@casualsuede so no iphone or Android? Iphone factory has nets outside windows so the slave workers don't commit suicide. And they force abortions on female workers.
The dial on the Cadisen Royal Oak style watch is very nice.
i enjoy how she explains watches in a manner where a new watch admirer can easily understand
You may want to read a bit about "genuine" leather. It's basically the worst kind of leather with great branding.
This seems to be overlooked. Own a strap for a few months or years and it will be apparent. It’s like particle board vs hardwood.
By enlarge that is true but a lot of high end straps have genuine leather embossed into them to., for example Colareb, an Italian company that uses the best quality leather.
@@garyboyle695 *by and large*
@@kongmw I know. Got to keep you pedents something to do.
@@garyboyle695 'pedants' -- just sayin'. And try replacing 'keep' with 'give'. Love from the Spelling & Grammar Police.👮♂️🤣
Even QC on Rolex brand watches have some issues (and hold back your watch warranty for 12 months). And don't think that high dollar mechanical Automatic watches do not have problems keeping time with the watch having to be sent back time after time to the authorised dealer to get it fixed (in house calibre that they wouldn't replace) until the owner just gave up and now the watch just resides in the back of a drawer.
Nothing wrong with a homage as long as it doesn't try to identify as the real deal. Lots of big brands take inspiration from each other so why shouldn't you be able to take something stylish for reasonable money as long as its not a fake/clone
Jenni has clearly been on her holiday!
She may return and find her channel terminated.
I've got a few watches with NH35/6 movements, basic, yes but they all run at less than + 10 secs per 24 hours on wrist, a couple actually beat my ETA 2824/ Sellita SW200 movement watches which seem to be around +3-5 secs per 24 hours on wrist. Given the low purchase price that makes most of these a decent proposition for people who think spending four figures plus on a watch is a bit extravagant
Glad I caught this before it comes down
Why would it ?
@@ThoR52 See 'Just One More Watch'
Brave girl !
@@limirl Why would it come down though? that 'Just One More Watch' is 21 minutes long
I think videos are taken down when you showcase a fake watch posing to be the original but I’m not sure. These are just homages and not fake watches.
Regarding punching holes in straps: For members of the IBWC, it's well worth buying a leather hole punch in the appropriate size to do the hole punching, rather than just using any sharp object. They only cost a couple of ££, and do a FAR neater job! Available from Amazon / Ebay etc.
These watches are from the second tier of recent Chinese watches. I would be interested in Jenni's opinion watches of the top tier from San Martin or Cronos. I have a Cronos GMT watch, which is a shameless knockoff of the Pepsi GMT Master, but it is of quite high quality, running about 4 sec/day slow with zero beat error for several months now. The better Chinese watches are in my opinion at least a match for low end Tissots or similar Swiss watches.
This!
If she gets lucky and gets a San Martin without any problems, she might be impressed by them. Personally, I own 5 San Martin Watches, every single one of them have problems. Misaligned bezel inserts, Misaligned cyclops, an unhealthy SW200 movement in one of them, and almost all of them the crown is wobbly and the stems are not cut to the proper length. Oh, I also have the Vintage 38mm diver, the lume on the hands has deteriorated within months of owning it. It was like pulling teeth to get them to simply send me a new set of hands. As for the SW200 movement, I put it on the time Grapher and it was at -40 seconds a day, I opened up the case back to see it was advanced some, I maxed it out and now it's at -22 seconds a day. When unscrewing the crown, it doesn't automatically let you wind it, you have to pull the crown out a little to get it to catch.
I do plan on giving Cronos a chance here soon. One company I've not had a single problem with, Phylida, AL 3 of my watches work perfectly and the crown and stems work like they should.
I totally agree! I own a San Martin diver and is awesome, i actually have been lucky enough to get an actual submariner on my hands and I have to say, in quality it's pretty similar obviously the Rolex is better and the movement is on another level but I'm pretty happy for a 95% discount. Mine runs +2s a day
@@Nothingtoya Have you checked for magnetism?
The Steeldive 1970 is actually Really good. And best of all, the bezel and dial are aligned. ;)
It has to be one of the best, if not the best watch that I own.
Great watch!!
If you guys want something even better at a lie price, look into Heimdallr watches. Seiko homages for
Ugh oh….Steeldive will be in Seiko’s cross-hairs now!
But if the cross- hairs are as misaligned as their shoddy bezels, Steeldive should be fine.
I'm wearing my SD 1970 right now. It's one of my favourites.
I hope Jenni does not in trouble by a hater that reports the video. She is just trying to help the watch community.
The NH35 and 36 movements are awesome workhorses for the money, I can dial one in to +-2 sec on my chronograph. The movements don't need work very often and I'd rather have a homage any day with thousands in my pocket then on my wrist. Plus I don't need to worry about being robbed with a homage watch on, I can wear it anywhere and leave my money in the bank where it's safe.
Jenni Elle is a brave woman. I love she wears the watches, there's no such a thing like male or female watches, just watches in several sizes. Regarding the main topic of the video a fully endorse her point of view.
it’s so interesting the way you said “blue loom” 😂😂😂 11:16
Lume
Based on the price limitations you were operating under, many of these were not the best brands of homage watches. The Cadisen was probably the best, and they actually have some watches that are not homages. If you go to Amazon and look up San Martin, they are very good, though more expensive. They often win lume competitions on watch channels, have water resistance from 200m to 1000 m, and offer high beat movement options, such as the ST 5000, or the Sellita SW 200 Swiss movement. They quite often out perform micro brands at 1/2 to 2/3 the price. You can check out I Like Watches or Just One More Watch for San Martin reviews, though many channels have reviewed them. I like them.
I own a tissel hulk. miyota 9015, decent bezel action, good lume, and for me anyways, most of all they aped the glide lock clasp as well. Good value for $240, I may get their explorer homage as well. I own a couple grand seikos, a speedy and a seamaster (the previous glossy dial version). Is the tissel a luxury watch, no. Is it good value for $240, yes. I wear it a shocking amount.
Agree with your San Martin comments. And actually since your original comment, the quality and design of their recent models have continued to improve.
Jenni, for the Cadisen's crown, it's just a sticker. I used a bit of blu-tack to take mine off :)
For as long as the name on the dial is different, it's fine by me. Let's be honest, AP isn't losing sales to Cadisen. No harm, no foul.
Exactly, no AP sales are being cannibalized by these cheap homage brands
@@edkwon yes, it's even a waste of their time and resources to run after them. Fake watches are a different tale altogether.
They are still fakes and the people who buy them are cheap ass posers.
@@theguardian3431 it’s not illegal to make homage watches, there aren’t design patents per se in watchmaking.
@@Jabber-ig3iw what a classy intelligent person you seem like
Omg. That first one, the Feice looks soo dang close to the nomos doesnt it! 😱😱
Yes, but Feice is just too close to feces.
Say about Pagani/Pagrne/Bersigar what you want but the complete lack of anti-reflective coating is actually accurate to the Rolex it's imitating, lol.
Good video, btw the bezel on the Bersigar Diver is locked from turning the other direction, typical of all diver watches, because when diving if you bumped the bezel and turned it the wrong way it could add time to your dive and you could possible run out of oxygen before getting to the surface.
I’d wear anything to be honest , my favourite watch was a timex that had a back light , I wore it on duty for 10 years till it fell apart
Jenni is right, and I say this as an owner of a few homage watches. These Chinese brands with weird names are a genre of their own when it comes to watches, and the quality will actually vary based on what brand it says on the dial. Yes, they do seem to "borrow" a lot of parts from each other, and I have no evidence against that some of these brands comes from the same people at the same factory. For me I did a lot of research before buying the watches I have (both of them from San Martin, arguably the best of these brands, especially when it comes to QC), and I am very pleased with what I got. The NH35 is a very reliable movement, and the bezel action on my San Martin SN017 is on par with a $5000 Omega (the sound is a tiny bit different, but I genuinely can't feel a difference when comparing the two), and the satin finish on the watch and bracket is absolutely incredible considering this is a $230 watch. I bought it only because I like the Submariner, but I am miles from being able to afford one, so this was a good alternative I felt, even though there are many other nice dive watches I could have gotten for a similar price as the San Martin.
The Steeldive 1970 Captain Willard is excellent. I bought it and I’m proud to wear it. It’s basically a Seiko without the logo. If Seiko had a problem with it they wouldn’t sell the parts to Steeldive.
Also, if Seiko had a problem with Steeldive offering a nicer watch for $85 than they are offering for $1200, Seiko would devote themselves to quality control and do something about misaligned bezels and indices and poorly fit end links before they leave the factory.
My Steeldive Willard has been “on the way” for almost a month now, but hopefully it will arrive this week. I’m looking forward to it.
@@ulysses26 I paid 30 bucks more and got mine from an American supplier in three days, it was worth it.
My Steeldive has taken over from my Seiko Turtle that cost five times as much!
@@DanaTheInsane Yeah, while mine sat in customs in LA for over two weeks I contacted the company who said “oh why didn’t you buy it from our US distributor?” They never told me who that was though. Where did you get yours from? Mine finally arrived and it is what I wear 90% of the time now. Big watch, short lug-to-lug. Really kind of couldn’t be any more comfortable. One end link is a little stiff, but other than that it’s a great watch and I am very happy.
So what your basically saying is that you know its a fake and happy to wear it, okay got it.
Additional info: That blue coating at the end of the crown on the Cadisen, is a protective coating that will eventually wear off or you can try to scrap it off with a fingernail. The coating on the crown of my Zebec Corsair just finished coming off after about 3 weeks.
Nice to see a post! Because you handle the original, you draw good contrast to the imitation and it's short comings. This answers the question, "why does the original cost so much?" that I think many people wonder.
Jenni, be very careful when posting a video like this. There are other RUclips channels that have been taken down for using trademark brand names in conjunction with homage watches. Gary at I Like Watches has experienced this. He has done several videos on the subject which you might find helpful.
I'm pretty confident she is fully aware...
Several channels got hit recently, it's getting bad
She didn't post watches"pretending"to be a different brand. These are homage under different makers and do not violate copyright or patent
@@trentschofield8494 RUclips doesn't view it that way. If you watch Gary on I like watches you will see what I'm talking about.
Fakes and copies are 2 different things. This video is not about fakes.
I own two Pagani Design watches and they are great. Both are rolex look-a-likes and both have been mistaken for Rolexes in jewelry stores. They are great quality, feel solid and are especially great if you want to test one out and see how it feels on your wrist for a while
I don't see any problem with owning a watch in the style of another , the Seiko tank you own is a perfect example ...Many of the Watch Companies over the years since 1919 have produced their own Tanks after Cartiers original in 1917, some with variation and some are basically copies , but they are all good watches and worth their money .
I own a Longines Tank that I bought back in the 80's, and I bought my daughter in-Law a Rotary Tank for Christmas , I don't have £6,300 for a Rose Gold Cartier Tank, but I do have £78 for a Rose Gold plated Rotary Tank to give her a little style and beauty on her wrist.
Blue on the crown is a removable sticker and it’s difficult to remove, I used a rubber band to gently rub it off. Great video
Jenny , Last month I began to buy chinese watches,I own one hundred twenty six Swiss and German and Japenese upper scale new watches. I will see how the chinese age and last with use. They are a lot cheaper and look very well done.For average buyer.
The top of my collections is Rolex and all high brands. Time will tell. Cheers I have Been collecting seven years.
There are hundreds of 'homage' watches available - some of them are very well made (as mentioned in some of the other comments) Ironically, many of the homages use Seiko movements and are better built than Seiko's own watches......
True. The better SKX007 homage watches are better all-around than the original. In fact, they resemble upgrade mods popular with owners of the Seiko.
The video is about “homage” watches and not fakes so she’s fine 🙂
@@steelsteez6118 agreed, but I was talking more about her getting kicked off RUclips like other channels recently for featuring fake watches
No it is not thw same, fake is fake homage is ok why not cheap alternative with ok quality
The other channels got into trouble for using trademarked words like submariner and Datejust to describe homages and then leaving links to buy them .Jenni has'nt posted any links so will be fine .
I have several Pagani design homages that are quite nice in the US$80 to 140 range, ie Planet Ocean, Seamaster, Yachtmaster with NH35 movements plus my favorites, a couple of PD-1664 Daytona Everose homages with Seiko VK63 mechaquartz movements. Being retired any of the Omega or Rolex originals are beyond what I could ever afford but I can enjoy wearing a nice homage just as much as an original for a tiny fraction of the cost and no worries about damage or loss Good review and hope you are staying away from the anti health C19 vax
When buying these watches you don't buy the automatic movements unless it's a seiko but non the less the Japanese qaurtz is the way to go and also thinner and more reliable .
The BUREI "qaurtz " is amazing ! I own 2 of them now for over 5 years and no problem at all. The burei is beautiful !
THE QUEEEEN IS BACK! 🎉🎉❤️❤️❤️
Not how a queen work miss thang 🙂
Informed & balanced reviews, food for thought Jenni. Who wouldn't stay to the end of your videos to hear your hypnotic voice ? lol. thanks.
Thanks for this video! I must say, I was surprised to learn the prices for these pieces is not inconsiderable. I personally would consider a Steinhart or established micro brand that are a bit more expensive but would be more reliable and serviceable. I also think these are for the most part too big.
Really?
I bought the "Aquaracer" lookalike last year from AliExpress for 86$ including shipping.
I can't see how anyone would call this a "not inconsiderable price"...
You get a stainless steel watch with a saphire crystal, ceramic bezel, a bulletproof Seiko NH35, solid links and endlinks and a milled clasp.
All for well under 100$
No one is forcing you to wear a watch that's "too large" in your eyes! Try being 6'6" with a 23 cm wrist, like myself and your too big watches look like a child's watch on my arm! My normal watch is a 47 mm, but I have a few that venture into the low to mid 50 mm watches. But I actually have the wrist to make it look normal! And my wife loves my larger watches, and says the smaller watches look like an old grandpa's watch! I tend to agree with her! If I had that kind of cash laying around in a 401 k ...there are a couple of IWC's pilot's watches I would love to own. But that's about it!
Rolex's...I have had 2...I didn't like either one. My Tag was nice..small but still nice.
My daily watch is usually a G Shock....50mm+ versions preferred.
I just bought a look alike from Amazon. Reason being I love the design, love the colour, and I don’t have £160,000 for an original 🤷♂️.
Great vid! Nice look on the ‘homage’ world that lives in Amazon. Keep up the great work. Nice to see you back!
side note - the nautilus copy uses a Chinese DG2813 movement. It’s alright, but deviates massively depending on each supplier
Better to buy an Orient or Seiko than these, better made and aren't pretending to be something they're not. Orient in particular make very nice affordable automatics, the Bambino is spectacular value for money.
Orient maybe but Seiko has been slacking in q.c. Apparently
@@totallyradwithjosie3225 I think that's just a trend....I mean yes they've had some QC issues but they're still Seiko...where else can you get a Grand Seiko handmade?
I’ve always wanted to own a collection of the most iconic watches. A family, mortgage, private school all got in the way.
Truly a first world problem.
Let's be honest. Not everyone could afford luxury watches. I think these watches are fine not because of their brand but because the built quality and materials for the price. Seiko can't even provide that kind of price with the same specs.
What about Casio?
To give the high end a break the one thing that makes them expensive is if they are real gold then gold is gold and if it’s 18 k solid she’ll then you’re buying the gold but if you buy a knock off it might not be gold but the movement now is pretty good in these knock off’s and they look pretty good .
You are fantastic in every way. Honest, educated, and well articulated. Please keep up your incredible videos and give Grand Seiko the love they deserve!
The blue paint on the crown is just a protective layer that scratches off with a fingernail pretty easily. I build my own watches by buying the different parts (movement, case, dial, hands) and putting them together. The crowns on steel cases usually have the blue paint for some reason. I think it is just protection, but it could also be how the manufacturer indicates that the case has been inspected or something.
Please, make a review of your Seiko 'Tank'. There're just a couple of half good reviews out there
These are NOT Rolex’s, they don’t Pretend to me Rolex, Patek Phillipe, etc They’re Cheap watches that Look Nice 👍🏻 I’ve just got 3 BiDen ones from Amazon, Try at home free for 7 days! Send them back Or buy what you want to, So they’re Not ‘Fake Watches’ they’re ‘Real Watches’ by a Different make! I’m happy with these, 3 watches for about £80 UK 🇬🇧 I Really like the Gold and Black face, with a Lovely Camel Brown leather strap, I like it and that’s all that matters 👍🏻
Holy hell, a ripoff of Pagani Design! I have seen it all now :D
I don't think it's a ripoff, I think they tangled with the car company of the same name and rather than face some sort of legal action they changed the name.
@@3rdpig you are right. They changed the name in fear of legal troubles.
The dollar sign goes before the number ($100) when using English/USD.
If I am ever diagnosed with a deadly disease , I hope the doctors hire you to give me the bad news so I can smile the whole time.
The Seiko NH35 is a good movement. I have it in the Invicta Pro Diver and it is accurate.
Thing is, for most of us, we may be lucky enough to own one luxury watch in our lifetime…but buying a homage watch gives you an opportunity to get some experience with different designs etc, that way you can really fall in love with a particular watch and make that watch your end goal! So I think that they are great!
Exactly, they are good "test runs" to see what you actually like before spending thousands!
or just to have a fun piece for the weekend. :)
Honestly, this is a great alternative for the person who likes the design of a watch. It is like a car toy model. But this is 1:1 copy.
‘Try on option’ is an excellent point!
Hi Jennie. I have to say the video is beautifully shot and sounds fantastic. Great lighting and set too. Well done.
Interesting video, Jenny. Thank you. These are nice watches. They are affordable watches which design may be inspired by other watches but I will not consider these as imitations. Over time these brands would grow to become like some of the brands that inspired them. Fun times.
I'm tempted by a Pagani Design Royal Oak. For under 100 dollars on sale, it's a great looking watch, and gives me the Royal Oak look that you can't really get until you move up to the ML Aikon (Tissot PRX is a bit too dressy to be a RO)
Jenni, they are not "fakes" they are homage watches a fake is a counterfeit watch which would actually have stolen logo on the face such as Rolex, Omega or some other high end brand. If it says Pagani or Cadisen or whatever it clearly a homage but not a fake. Homage watches are legal where fake counterfeit watches are illegal and should not be purchased since they often fund criminal activity.
I’m one of the people buying some homage watches. Not because I want to fool people I’m wearing a luxury watch but because I love the looks of the originals but don’t like their prices. For example, the Aquanaut 5167R is my grail watch and not something I’ll ever buy. Instead I bought a Specht & Sohne Classic snd love it! The watch makes me smile every time I look at it. I also have a few Pagani Design and even an Invicta or two. My collection is inexpensive compared to “serious” collectors but it still brings me enjoyment and I don’t sweat wearing any of my watches in the $100-$200 range whereas wearing a $600-$1000 watch still makes me nervous about dinging them.
Each homage style is different but if a person wanting something in that Submariner style, I would opt for a Invicta Pro Diver. The quality to me just feels there even with hollow end links and a stamped clasp (which just feels vintage to me). The bezel action is great and so is the crown and you are getting a known brand love it or hate it. And cost half the price of these on prime day or black friday.
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! That INVICTA engraved hugely across the side is hideous!! At least the new 1953 invicta isn't so ugly and over branded
I always think a genuine Breitling looks like it cost twenty pounds! They look cheap and tacky, my opinion! However my friends 32K Breitling watch fell off his wrist. He’s a Rolex man like me now. The first watch I owned was a Seiko, it cost £90 37 years ago, I still have it and love it. Every watch collector remembers their first watch and I’m sure not all of them cost 25K. Haters hate because it’s all they are good at, if you love watches and collect it doesn’t matter how much they cost. Not even relevant.
On a whim I recently bought a Benyar version of the Rolex Explorer....not a direct copy but very, very similar. I cannot justify spending thousands on a watch so this $50 Benyar suits me for now. Until the movement fails lol, which could be any moment.
Jenni: Do you have any recommendation for a good thin (not more than 6 mm thick) watch in the $ 2,000 US dollar range? You know so much about watches so that's why I thought I'd ask.
For those who may not know, "genuine leather" is a trade term used for the worst quality "leather" since it just means leather is present.
Not even leather. Terrible stuff . Dead cat.
Utter nonsense. Not used in industry and doesn’t signify quality.
Best thing about these watches is there's no waiting list 👍
As a die hard Nomos fan, I feel kind of sick that I don’t hate that copy. It’s obvious to a fan where the deficiencies are, but as a stand alone cheap alternative, it’s not bad. 😐😞😢
There was a similar homage a few years ago, "Rodina" and Sea-gull makes the same or similar. They are all probably the same watch
I think it looks terrible. I’d rather get a Stowa or even a Steinhart
@@mariog7213 Obviously
Here's my guidelines/tips for buying Homage watches. (I'm not a big homage watch collector, but I do own a few, and they're not just random picks).
My first tip is that you should always look up the watch on RUclips first before buying, and make sure to watch some videos/reviews that are not sponsored or affiliated. Secondly, check out the best alternatives. There's usually more than one good candidate for each model (let's say a Sub-homage), but for some reason you don't like the big, hexagonal logo of the best one, you might find more joy in a slightly less rated variant. So even though the best bang for buck is this or that, make your pick where you feel your taste meets the honest reviews. And if you don't find the perfect homage on Amazon or Ali Express, you can always check out the vast universe of Seiko mods, and thus might even get something slightly more custom made to your liking, and with a familiar brand on the dial. Also, very few of these homage watches will maintain much second hand value, so always consider that you'll lose a chuck of the money you pay for it.
Also keep an eye out for what movement the watch has, is it a Seiko, Miota, or a Seagull it's usually a more safe bet in regards if ypu want to keep the watch for decades (as a new movement is most often cheaper than servicing the original).
There's also a bunch of micro brands and Homage brands that sre not on Ali or Amazon, stay on the lookout for thwse as some of these are quite good.
And lastly, always remember that gold plating and such will always be of a lesser standard on more affordable watches. Don't have big expectations, especially on two-tone watches and bracelets.
Right now, I'm kinda debating with myself if I should get built a rose gold Nautilus/Aquanaut watch with either a black or olive dial and a tropical rubber strap for it. It'll mainly be a home-alone piece, and I don't consider it as any guilt or shame around this as I'll probably never gonna afford an actual rosegold Patek.
Please be careful, I’ve seen several watch channels get banned lately.
She's full aware of that
FM201 is the watch,the watch movement looks like a seagull ST1612 or clone automatic movement
I would prefer one of these "tributes" over the actual fakes any day. That being said, I don't think they're for me though.
The first drag race occurred immediately after the second car was built. The second watch ever built was a clone.. I've enjoyed my $46 eBay india seiko automatic for over a year now, and I get compliments every time I wear it..
When your budget is more Vostok than Vacheron, these are ideal watches. Especially with a Seiko movement.
I just realized your fingers are double-jointed Jenni... handy, yes.
Me too. And thanks for another nice video.
Sure, I bought the $79 Pagani Design Daytona homage so I could tell if I'd like it before buying the $25k Rolex. Hahahahahahaha. No. I bought it because I'll never buy the Rolex and if I did it would live in a safe deposit box where I might, maybe, take it out on my birthday. Wake up, homages aren't popular for that reason, they're popular because many people of average income don't see value in spending a year's worth of mortgage payments on a luxury watch.
Why not save up and buy a good watch instead of a cheap, nasty homage/copy? If you can’t justify buying a Rolex, Cartier or AP why not aim for a Longines, Oris, Baume & Mercier, Certina or any number of other “proper” watches? Life is short and quality matters!
@@dougm659 There are plenty of homage brands like Pagani Design, that deliver a very high quality for the price you pay. And they are not cheap and nasty watches.
@@dougm659 My car cost £3000, I live in a trailer that cost £6000. I have an ordinary job at less than national average pay. Tell me how I could justify £3000 for a watch,...
I own both Longines and Pagani Design watches - it is possible for one person to enjoy both luxury watches and homages
@@NicholasSadlier It is certainly possible to enjoy both types of watches. All it requires is an unfeasible level of disposable income.
That blue Submariner homage is far outclassed by its 40mm variant offered by the same brand. Excellent quality for less than $75
Not if you have the wrist for it.
Certainly the most watch I've ever bought for $60.00 .
Interesting stuff, bezel and crown adjustments are always an issue. Thanks Jenni, always a great video 👍
the argument can go in circles but one could argue that even the high end watches are homages to rolex and blancpain since they were the first on the block with specific styles of dive watches. watches can only have so many practical designs. i own or have owned Cartier, Longines, Ball, Sinn, Bulova and Seiko watches etc. and on a whim bought a Cronos. way better in build and finish than i expected. kinda rocked my world truth be told.
in recent weeks the only time someone made mention of a watch i was wearing i had on a bulova computron which is just different enough to garner some interest.
p.s. enjoyed the video! thanks.
Yeah, Cronos and San Martin seem to be the homage watch companies that have decided to really put their shoulders into quality control and it has garnered them a loyal following. I have a San Martin homage to the Seiko 62MAS and it is very well made and quite nice looking. Ultimately I find it too heavy for my liking and will probably sell it, but if you don’t mind a somewhat chunky diver I recommend it.
The best thing about these Datejust/Day-date copies is that you have access to steel jubilee bracelets for very cheap ! In fact I just put a chinese steel jubilee on my Day-date and kept the original bracelet on the box, to keep it safe and from scratching
Homages are not fakes. People who say so are snobs.
True, they’re just unimaginative shit
Perfect blend of form and function.