It’s true that Tonya didn’t deserve to be treated the way she was and it’s also true that Nancy didn’t deserve to be attacked. Connie Chung said it best: “Nancy wasn’t all good and Tonya wasn’t all bad”. Dragging details of their personal lives into arguments doesn’t justify what happened to either, professionally.
IMO even if Tonya had actually taken the baton to Nancy's knee herself, the punishment she got and still gets, is WAY harsher than would have been warranted.
I feel like people give more positive comments to Tonya now than the 90s because our society has changed. Nancy and her hi-class good girl image fit with 90s society while Tonya with hard working and self-made money/status is more admired in this era. The informations we know still the same but people want to believe in difference things.
I think the film has a lot to do with that too. It was a bit more biased towards Tonya. What has change is the way the media portraits the information.
Hard working is US. US is hard working. It's only been a relatively short time that immigrates and left started to try to turn the country into socialists where everything, you have earned or not, has to be shared with everyong else.
No 1 people back then were hopeing for tonya that maroon costume a lady made that for her but tonya harding thinks her shit don't stink and nancy kerrigan poor victum entitled rich girl thier ego's damaged them both if they'd of quit poohooing and put in thier best tonya harding probably would have taken the gold but thier jealousy of each other hurt them both in the end they were both entitled complainers and were poor sports
Nancy wasn’t “high class”. Her dad was a welder, and the family was blue collar. If you’re a Tonya fan I get it, but isn’t Tonya enough?... no need to diss Nancy to make Tonya look better. Tonya was a better skater but made some bad decisions and paid heavily. Nothing is going to take away her talent, or make her look better by trashing Nancy.
As an old person who was aroundwhen this went down Tonya was given a raw deal simply because she was "trailer trash" vs Nancy who came from a very waspy family. Figure skating was elitist af and the scandal just exposed it .....
My mom said the same thing when she first heard about the movie. According to my mother, judges were harder on Tonya than they were other skaters. I guess they were particularly critical of her wardrobe.
She didnt do it her husband did what arent you geting besides Tonya was the better skater she didnt need to take Nancy out. She was what the youngins call BASIC ....Tonya brought something new and different to the rink....so you can shove that theory of she needed to take Nancy out to win up your butt...fuck you care for are you nancy's relative or something LOL...
I remember that Olympics, I was actually there when Oksana Baiul won, out of nowhere. Nancy Kerrigan was big favourite to win, all American sweetheart, victim....nobody cared outside of USA and she was really pissed she didn't win. Oksana's free program was out of this world and she won. End of drama.
I remember watching this also. Oksana’s performance gave me goosebumps! It was fantastic! Nancy’s performance was blah. She was just going thru the motions on auto pilot. I was not and have never been impressed with Nancy’s skating. She performed everything like she was supposed to but she had no heart in it.
She does indeed look like Adams, but Adams looks too old. Dont know her actual age, but don't think they can get her to look like someone in their early 20s.
Nancy Kerrigan is a despicable person. She was having an affair with her coach and he left his family and 2 children for her. And the woman still can't land a triple. Its sad what happened to Tonya. Her whole life seems to be a shakespear tragedy. She might've known about it, but I really doubt she helped plan it or was involved to that extent. If someone treated you like crap and looked down their nose at you because you had to make your own outfits, would you really go out of your way to say hey watch your back? I'm not so sure that I would. I would probably tell the men planning it no, don't do that and then never mention it again. Because what would telling the authorities do? get your husband in trouble. Its all kind of fucked up. If you also had your mind focused on skating who is going to borrow that kind of trouble?
Rose Madder and i still feel bad for her. i never felt bad for nancy. And im extremely glad that Oksana won gold. Nancy wouldve disappeared completely if not for this incident.
teeto97 because there was a criminal investigation and a teammate was being accused. It wasn’t like JFK hiding his back injury so he could get elected.
It also happened the night before the championships to determine who would get to represent the US at the Olympics. No athlete likes to get hurt before the big game, as they say. When Kerrigan was screaming, it was more than just the attack itself. She was also thinking that she wouldn't be able to compete the following evening and her lifelong dream would be over. As it turned out, she couldn't compete, and Harding and Michelle Kwan ended up placing first and second, respectively, qualifying for the US team, as Kerrigan looked on tearfully. Later, Kerrigan replaced Kwan when she got better and felt secure enough, but there were some that thought she should have replaced Harding, instead.
How? It's her own fault she didn't buy herself better skates and costumes with all the millions she won from competitions. That wouldn't change no matter who she married.
@@canadianbeef1958the skates didn't bash nancy's knee. i get talking about the mom here is a bit unrelated, but her first husband was a violent idiot.
Margot Robbie was cast as the lead because she was the one who bought the script and executive produced the thing so obviously she cast herself in a film that was almost sure to get Oscar buzz.
She didn't write the script, it was a guy named Steve Rogers (which is ironic all in itself lol)but I'm not dissing her, just telling the people claiming that Amy Adams should have been cast. It's obvious why she did it and I agree, why not take advantage of her own project? I think she'll do great tbh. Nothing wrong with Margot.
D J A few months after the Olympics, I actually heard that rumor from several people. I had that discussion at school with some classmates & later that same day at work. My personal opinion is probably not just for the simple fact that Tonya & the goons were plead guilty. Surely they wouldn’t have done that if they could prove they weren’t involved.
I always felt sorry for Tonya Harding. Nancy Kerrigan came across as such a smug twit. It was obvious she was being favoured more because she was the "good girl" than for her skill.
Actually, Kerrigan was a great skater. She was always praised for her technical merit. She was first and foremost an athlete, as she described herself in this video. Harding was also a great skater/athlete. The main difference between them is that Kerrigan was a dedicated skater, whereas Harding hated practicing and could get lazy. Had Harding applied herself, she wouldn't feel the need to take out the competition.
Both were very talented, but Harding had a raw talent that, had she honed by practicing more, would have made her one of the greatest of all time. Kerrigan, while talented in her own right, was more known for being very dedicated and hard-working. Was she talented as well? Yes, but she had to work more for it. Harding had a raw ability that comes once in a lifetime
she went to the Olympics and she wasn't even injured that badly but made it a big deal...they were from the same country and it wasn't okay that she let or drag tonya when tonya still to this day says she didn't have anything to do with it
@@mahmohapooh it wasn't only the bruise? She was scared because she literally got attacked by two stranger men with a baton? What did y'all expect her to react like in that situation. If it hit harder or even a little above/ below it might end her career. It is so weird that how everyone portrays Nancy as the villian just because she got attacked? I feel like if it was the other way around yall would defend the woman who got attacked.
For everyone saying that Amy Adams should have played Tonya, I don't really think they are looking for the perfect look alike. They need someone that will really master their role and I think Margot will. I'm not so sure about Amy...
Emily Lorenz Amy Adams is a versatile actress but she is in her 40s and cannot portray someone who is a young and troubled figure skater realistically. Margot is 27 and closer to Tonya’s age (24) when she competed at the 1994 Winter Olympics in Lillehammer.
Ms Rana I’m just stating what the film directors and producers probably had in time. Maggie was one of the producers so she definitely had more influence in the casting (Reese Witherspoon did the same thing and almost weaseled her way into the movie “Gone Girl” but the director decided to cast Rosamund Pike as the lead girl instead). Sadly, older actresses get less opportunities and screen time once they reach a certain age and if they do, they usually get cast in some forgettable mother and grandmother roles (Meryl Streep is one exception). Maggie Gyllenhaal once said that a Hollywood producer considered the 37-year-old her to be “too old” to star as a 55-year-old actor’s romantic interest on screen. It’s baffling.
Ms Rana shut up do you want amy to suffer with cramps and they just need someone who is young and active an even if they look old they still are young so dont be a jerk
I mean the committee didn't treat Tonya fair, they didn't judge her fairly because they wanted the innocent and naive image to represent their country rather than a woman whose been through shit and still survived to be a strong independent woman and isn't afraid to show her battle scars. They didn't judge based on talent they judges based on image and they chose a pretty dumb image.
She still shouldnt have been involved in attacking the opponent, which she obviously did, lets not kid ourselves. With this said, when someone is treated as unfairly and working as hard as she did and not being given what she Deserved, sometimes that messes people up even more and makes people do regretable things...
You missed the fact that Tonya was (prior to incident) a technically more proficient skater being the first American female to ever land a triple axel in competition and still one of only about 19 women in the world to do so (2021). In fact in the film they had to recreate it using special effects because the professionals hired couldn't do one. It involves a forward take off without using the toe pick, three and a half rotations in about one second and landing on the other foot with a force of over 400 pounds. No one will ever take that away from her.
The way I see it, Tonya's punishment was way too harsh. Even if she did know beforehand about what was supposed to happen, I would be scared to tell anyone as well, her husband was ABUSIVE. Tonya said there were multiple occasions where she feared for her life because of him. The fact that her ex-husband and bodyguard got 18 months and she had to go on probation, pay a lot of money, AND couldn't compete anymore is absolutely ridiculous.
Omg honestly I feel bad for Nancy but she was not as good as tonya. She was just a better fit for that girly and classy stereotype for skating. It's just annoying that tonya had such a hard life and had to go through many obstacles meanwhile Nancy was way more privileged. Then, one bad thing happens to Nancy; she has a pity party and poof there goes tonyas only love: skating
You obviously don't know the facts Nancy's dad has to work 3 jobs just to support her career both girls had hard lives that doesn't mean Nancy deserved what happened and neither did tonya but tonya knew about it she even said she knew so why lie and say you didn't Edit: both girls really loved skating it was there lives if Nancy's leg came out broken it would have ruined her career she wouldn't be able to skate for awhile and she really wanted to skate just like tonya again tonya knew about it so why didn't she report it this would have never happened if tonya just reported it but she didn't because she obviously wanted Nancy out the competition I do believe tonya had some involvement but that doesn't mean both girls get to be bashed both girls had hard lives both girls loves skating so what what does that have to do with anything
I remember watching these events. Tonya was a great skater, a powerhouse. Kerrigan was a great skater, but I didn't feel she had any charisma in her performance. And you could tell she was pissed that she came in 2nd at the Olympics. She didn't even try to hide it. I remember things for Tonya just crumbled, at one point she approached the judges crying and showing them her skating boot . . . something had gone wrong. I think after everything, the strain just got to both women and neither brought their A game. I agree with Animotost, Amy Adams would've been great, had she been the right age, to play Harding. Margot Robbie makes her look insane. Like she's portraying perhaps what Harding looks like on the inside . . .
Tonya's boot strap had broken shortly before she was due to take the ice and she had to redo it right before. It broke her concentration so she popped a jump. She approached the judge mid-skate to explain the situation and was allowed time to adjust the laces. She couldn't reskate the whole program though so she finished the SP low in the ranking. In those Olympics, you had to be top 4 in order to have a hope of finishing with Gold. Nancy said some not nice remarks while waiting for the awards ceremony about the Gold medal winner Oksana. It might be a case of poor sportsmanship or heightened emotion, but since the media painted her as a media darling, the comments were the more shocking and took the gleam off her.
Indeed. She had such an acceptable, inspirational personal story: All-American girl, blind mom . . . Tonya was trailer trash--in the eyes of the media and public. I think Kerrigan felt like she was owed the gold. That's what it seems when you watch these clips where she's being interviewed and showing the guy the medals people sent her after she got the silver at the Olympics. Even if Harding hadn't had the problems with her skate and earned the gold, I feel they would have found a way to not let her have it. Craziness.
Kerrigan did bring her A game. But Baiul won by the slimmest margin possible, 0.1 point by one judge from the former Iron Curtain country of East Germany. Harding, on the other hand, was not able to land a triple axel again in competition after 1991. Her competitive results started to decline after that.
Wow, this lead me to read up on Nancy and geez, she was not the nice person the media led us to believe. She reminds me of the teacher's pet that had the best toys, clothe and family. I don't believe she deserved to be hurt, but now I know why she reacted so much to one wack on the knee.
Yeah, she looks like a snooty princess, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't feel bad for her. The reason she reacted so violently is because she was afraid her olympic dream and her skating would be taken away from her. That and the shock and the pain of it all. It's not like these people go to an ice skating camp and then just pop out like fully trained champions, they work hard for this almost their entire life. Only a handful of serious athletes make it to the Olympics, and it's not peanuts. And one wack on the knee with a police baton is not just a wack, let me tell you that much... ouch.
If you trained your WHOLE life to something and have someone try to take your goal away weeks before the biggest platform for your career you'd be screaming like that too. She almost had her knee cap shattered. It wasnt just a little hit.
Yeah, that's pretty much the impression I always got of her. She was the spoiled stuck up brat who knew she should be tops. A lot of people think she actually hired the hit so everyone would cheer her on, which they did. More people were cheering on Tonya before it happened then after her support was very small.
my family is friends with someone who met nancy at a hockey game and nancy straight up ignored her and flirted with her husband (who was some sort of well known hockey player) right in front of her
yeah..its sexist though. When Russel Crowe was like 40 something they made him play James Braddock in Cinderella Man when the character was supposed to be super young in the beginning. And Johnny Depp played John Dillinger in his mid-40s at least and Dillinger died at 31. Oh well
Tonya was an inspiration, Kerrigan just made a career out of being a victim. Tonya was clearly the more brilliant skater, her heart was in it and she worked incredibly hard, Kerrigan to me just seemed like she did it for the glory. She didn't skate like her heart was in it.
Clearly this video was not done by a figure skater.Here's what you NEED to know: 1. Michelle Kwan was ALWAYS the alternate - as there is ALWAYS an alternate. In 1994 we had 2 spots on the Olympic team, the alternate is always sent over as a precaution.2. Figure skating was the MOST WATCHED sporting event that year.3. Kerrigan STILL LOST the gold medal to Oksana Baiul. Tonya came in 6th I think.....4. The first National Senior appearance for Michelle Kwan - and the beginning of her dynasty.5. Everyone knew Tonya was involved.6. Nancy was a bitch. Still is.
Tonya came from 10th to 6th in the olympics, she was given time to recover and placed 8th, obviously the judges lowered their scores to make nancy the princess blah blah blah.
I was never a fan of Nancy. If you watch any interview with her she behaves so entitled and snobbish.. i can easily see how a girl who was raised poorly and had to fight 3 times as hard to get where she was could have flipped out in jealousy. #teamtonya
Anna Holle wow endorsing assault because she is too snobby. Seriously she needs to be in jail and people like you think it’s so cool to cheat by injuring your competitor instead of actually working hard and earning the medal.
WeiYinChan i never said nancy deserved what happened to her... I said she was easy to be envious of, especially because USFSA was eating out of her ass
@@WeiYinChan No one's endorsing assault. Her idiot husband had her bodyguard pay another guy to assault Kerrigan and she was just bruised and acted like a big drama queen over it. If it was as bad as Kerrigan acted, she wouldn't have been competing a few weeks later.
@@WeiYinChan Tonya worked her balls off. Training, paying coaches, waiting tables, sewing costumes just so judges could take point away for presentation... most skaters had that crap handed to them.
Forest Nymph Confessions thanks for proving my point, you literally justified the assult because “it’s not that bad anyways”. First of all, she knew about the attack before it happened, just because she didnt hire the guy herself doesn’t make her not guilty when she knowingly failed to report it to authority. Second of all, if my whole life and career depends on my legs, I’m gonna go crazy when some guy start beating the shit out of them as well. And like Tonya didn’t cry and go all dramatic over a pair of skates not tying properly before. She even stopped competing and cried to the judges about the skates being uncomfortable. Nancy obviously had more dedication for competing with an injured leg, and won fair and square.
I hope Margot Robbie wins an Oscar as Tonya Harding. However, it might not happen because Saosire Ronan (Lady Bird) and Sally Hawkins (The Shape of Water) are in her way. At least, she deserves an Oscars nomination.
they don’t even have proof she did it, it’s SO FUCKING UNFAIR. yes I think it’s sketchy but there isn’t even any solid information and we DO NOT KNOW the truth, it’s only theories etc.
To show you Kerrigan's true side, Oksana Baiul had won the gold. Kerrigan got silver and Chen Lu got the bronze. While Kerrigan and Lu waited over 20 minutes for Olympic officials to find a copy of the Ukrainian national anthem, someone mistakenly told Kerrigan the delay in the presentation was because Baiul had cried off her make-up and was getting it retouched. Kerrigan, with obvious frustration, was caught on-camera saying "Oh, come on. So she's going to get out here and cry again. What's the difference?" That comment showed people that Kerrigan wasn't necessarily a "good girl" either.
Ummm and what's the point of saying this? You could argue Tonya and Nancy were both bitches but one of them is a bitch who conspired to break another person's leg.
I do kind of get the vibe that Nancy just kind of milked this whole thing for attention, like I'm sure being attacked was scary and scarring for her, but the way she goes about it just seems very high and mighty y'know?
@@forestnymphconfessions3596 I think when this all happened, it seemed the world was so against Tonya. It's impossible not to link N&T but when you compare the two, in my mind, Tonya was so much more likable and human. I intuitively never liked Nancy. I guess she was considered beautiful but I never thought so.
I mean, none of us really can have a say on this. Yet we all have an opinion and “evidence”. At the end of the day, these comments won’t amount to anything so it doesn’t matter
tonya risked so much for her career, why do people honestly think she would have anything to do with the attack. shes not stupid, she realises the risks that come with planning such an attack
I can relate to Tonya on a very personally level, I can see her growing up seeing other little girls with there mother having a loving bond and being treated like dirt by hers
The main reasons I'm willing to doubt that she had prior knowledge of the planned physical attack are 1) her confidence in her own skating and 2) how hard she had to work coming from her working class roots and how that all could have been (and was) so easily compromised with such a dumb plan. But we'll never really know. This was a terrific movie though, and I find Harding the more interesting personality.
pfffft.. Nancy father work 3 job. look it up. just because you are poor and abused you don't have to act like trash.. I am more into Nancy cos she is in her 50s and still hot.. look at Tonya. yuck
Gilooly was abusive and was only with Tonya for her money. ALSO harding wasn't the American sweet heart the judges wanted they thought she wasn't dainty enough, her background was disgraceful, and if she brokeup with gilooly it would ruin her image. I'm on Tonya's side :P
So I have many different opinions of my own... First off, I want to hear more from Jeff Gooley and his side of it all. I’m sick of hearing everyone defending Harding because of this brand new movie coming out, which alone was tweaked enough by Hollywood. So of course with such a fan base, everyone now sides with Tonya because she’s played by the beloved Margot Robbie. Robbie herself claims that she is not 100% defending Tonya like false sources have said. She says she has to believe in her character in order to portray her correctly. Which she seems to have done a fantastic job if I may add. But of course now people are calling out Kerrigan for being a cry baby, when not many of you probably realize how serious this was. Stop looking at it as “This whole thing is over just some bruising.” It’s much more than that. The intent of the crime was to break her leg. It doesn’t matter what was carried out successfully, a man was paid to take out the competition. That is a fact no matter how you want to look at it. Secondly, this incident can be overlooked and forgotten by most people who hear about it, but for both Nancy and Tonya this will live in until the day they die. Kerrigan could be traumatized for life. While everyone is taking the time to call her a whining brat, maybe you should stop to consider that Kerrigan could suffer from minor Post Traumatic Stress or even nightmares. Everyone needs to take a step back and look at the big picture before you start calling names. And also before you start pointing fingers. Now this being said, I am not 100% on Kerrigan’s side of it all. I think I need to learn more about this through reliable source rather than this new film. But from my perspective, I’m still trying to understand why Jeff would even want or plan out this attack without Tonya egging him on about it or implying something along the lines. It just seems to unlikely for him to possibly think, “Hey let me take out the competition for my newly wed wife without telling her. It’ll be my little anniversary gift.” Really? I mean come on, it just sounds ridiculous unless he really was psychotic. And at the same time I just feel so bad for Tonya. If she really was innocent to this whole mess than it’s sad to think of how her whole career, her dream was taken from her just like that. And if she is guilty, it also seems that her mother is another to blame. Her verbal and physical abuse is probably what drove her mad in the first place. She pushed her so much, she just broke her. So I guess I have many opposing thoughts, obviously, when it comes to this conspiracy. Like I said before, I just think we need more research and facts before we all jump to further conclusions. And at the end of the day, you never know what really happened behind closed doors.
I agree, I guess we'll never really know. I think it's possible though that the ex was at fault. I mean, if he really was abusive, he could've planned this as revenge, or a sick way of "showing his love" to Tonya. Maybe Tonya knew and was too scared to act, or she was behind it all. I guess its just in the past now.
@Tori Soulis Like I said in the earlier comment, if he was an abusive husband like he is portrayed in the film, his possible motives could be revenge for Tonya leaving him, or he could've done it without Tonya's knowledge as a "surprise gift". People are crazy.
My thoughts on why her husband is said to have planned it- he possibly wanted the money that would come from Tonya winning, and didn’t feel confident that would happen with Nancy in the way, a clear favorite to the judges.
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She gave me a ride home. From Portland..I was stuck there..she was a lady. ..came in talked to my girl..love you forever for that. She was so small so pretty
Finishing 8th in the Olympics with all that stress going on is quite remarkable. Ahe must have been really good. (well, you have to be really good to get to go to the Olympics in the first place...)
damn some of y'all got no heart or something. Okay so maybe Nancy Kerrigan might act or seem stuck up and whatever but no one deserves to be attacked like this. Like come on now If it was you, you would be saying a different story now wouldn't you?
She didn’t deserve it & some people go too far. That being said, I think people are starting to see that Tonya is a person, too & had her struggles. I don’t consider myself to be a feminist, but legitimate feminists are taking another look at the treatment of women who were vilified back in the 90’s. Some of that vilification was deserved like in Tonya’s case & Monica Lewinsky, etc., but people were not looking at all of the circumstances surrounding these women. I hate to use the word victim, but a lot of these women were a victim of circumstance. Even Monica Lewinsky could be said to be a victim of a very powerful man. Yes, their relationship was “consensual,” but at the same time girls that age are not mature enough to understand completely what was going on or how it would affect them. Before the Tonya-Nancy scandal broke, people were bashing Lorena Bobbitt, completely ignoring the fact that she claimed to be a victim of abuse & marital rape. It even spilled over to Nancy Kerrigan who was a more obvious victim. I didn’t care for her attitude, but like her parents said, if she has been a man, it would’ve been overlooked which is true of Tonya, as well. If Tonya had been a male figure skater or just a rough around the edges athlete in most other sports, she wouldn’t have been criticized. If she had been a man playing in the NFL & bashed the first string quarterback’s knee so she’d get a chance to play, she probably would’ve been welcomed back with open arms when she finished her sentence. Sorry for the rant. I promise I don’t call myself a feminist, but I can see clearly enough to realize how it works. I was also a young woman, just a few years younger than Tonya & Nancy & a figure skating fan, so I read & saw practically everything the media did.
Syzygy Msp just cause she said she wasn't involved doesn't mean it's true and even if she was a better skater she was probably dropping the close competition
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I believe her. I mean even now she doesn’t seem like that kind of a girl. And with all three of those men it seems like they conspired all of this without Harding.
The address of nancy's practice was in tonya's handwriting, this is only one of the proofs the police found back then, plus her admitting that she new of the plan of attack but chose to keep quiet. Try watching the old news videos or google, don't just watch movies.
Tonya and Midori Ito were ahead of their time as world-class women athletes in ice skating. Such tragic success. I hope Tonya finally gets her long overdue recognition as one of the world's best ice skaters in history. Check out her face-off skating video vs Scott Hamilton! It puts her outstanding athletic ability in a whole new light.
Interestingly, Kerrigan had more to gain from Harding being accused of (or at minimum distracted by the accusation of) the attack. Harding was the stronger skater of the two by far (when she was focused). This is not to say that Kerrigan had anything to do with any sort of set-up or diabolical plan, just interesting is all... I have always firmly believed that Harding's dipsh!t ex-hubby did it, thinking he was doing Tonya some twisted favor that would lead to them getting back together...
All along, we ignore the pink girl caught in the middle who actually won the gold medal that year, Oksana Baiul, who, herself, ended up becoming a controversial person after all this went down.
In later interviews, Tonya Harding did admit that she had prior knowledge to the attack. Also in December of 2016, police released evidence that suggests that Tonya Harding was involved. Police found an envelope (during investigation) with an address of a skating rink that Kerrigan was going to be practicing at that was written in Tonya's handwriting.. That particular attack failed.
she knew! of course she knew! look at the end result--that skating broad got attacked. and then work it backwards. you gotta do that when dealing with lies and figuring out the whole process: start with the end result, and work it backwards; take the information you do have, and work with piecing together the rest. it all leads back to our...tonya. it's not as if harding could have directly performed the assault herself! wouldn't that be something. and yet, everyone around harding, is directly involved with her. so what. it's not such a long reach. she knew. and she was involved in the arrangements. and, there's nothing but nucklehead stupid move after stupid move! nothing but mistake after mistake! stupid moves...hmmmm...who could that be?
Found it odd that the camera followed Nancy Kerrigan right after she went behind curtain. A second later the camera goes behind it Nancy is already on the ground with 5 EMTs around her
Just because of the way Nancy grew up, or however her attitude was she did not deserve what happened to her period. I will never believe that Tonya did not know about what her HUSBAND was plotting to do for her career.
Logically, for a person who isn’t willing to give in to and change her style to match the main stream ‘ noble’ like style, for someone who has such strong belief in her own ability, for someone who has given all her life for figure skating, she would’ve want to beat her opponent by her own ability, why would she use such an act that is both a disgrace for her love of figure skating and personal ability?
Totally same, even after the attack happens Tonya says "it wouldn't be the same without competing with nancy, it wouldn't be a deserved crown" My personal opinion is that Tonya might've known something was going on but she was too scared to report it because her husband being so abusive towards her, and she just hoped it wouldn't happen.
Everyone knows she knew about it. The address of the skating rink where the practice was held was written in Harding's handwriting. She shouldn't be basking in this glory.
Tanya Harding is more at fault than those scum that actually hit Kerrigan! She knew about pieces of the planned attack and stood by and let it happen. That makes her just as if not more responsible for what happened than her ex and his cronies. Tanya has become a celebrity while Kerrigan is hardly mentioned, accept her association with this ugly incident.
In “I, Tonya” it shows that she wrote the address because her boyfriend suggested sending a threatening letter because Tonya was also sent one, not because she wanted her to get attacked.
What was portrayed in the film was that Tonya in the beginning knew about the plan to mail death threat letters to Kerrigan, which was planned by Jeff's delusional friend Shawn with Jeff's funding. (Tonya herself was sent a death threat initially before the whole letter plan, which Jeff later on found out Shawn made the false death threat for some insane reason from his plan.) When things got serious with her preparation for the olympics, she detached herself from the planning, caring less about what they were doing so she could focus on practicing. When it came to the actual attacked, it was portrayed that Jeff and Tonya didn't know that Shawn had planned, along with hired hit man Derrick and his nephew Shane (in the clip), to bash Kerrigan's knee. So most likely, she knew something was up in relation to doing "something" to Kerrigan. Whether she really knew about only the letters or knew something about the attack since the accounts of the participants seem to change.The film gave off a vibe that Jeff's friend Shawn was insecure, delusional, and crazy and that he was the mastermind of the whole thing, but put the blame on Jeff and Tonya was caught in the crossfire and paid a great debt for it. Guilty by association.
I honestly believe that her husband (tonya's husband) wanted to distroy her and to do so,he had to hurt her rival in order to make people and police believe she did it ! Just to destroy her image and career.
People can say whatever they want about Tonya Harding. She will forever be the 1st US woman to land a 3A. She was a Brilliant skater and had FS not been as classist as it was she would of went far
funny story- my nonna, a 70 year old italian immigrant, was visiting my family and i was watching the 60 minuets about the tonya case. she laughed and mimicked nancy’s crying/screaming. i kept trying to hold off my own laughter at what my nonna was doing.
I don’t know why, but I hate Nancy Kerrigan, and really like Tonya Harding. I don’t believe that Tonya ordered the attack. I think they took her livelihood away from her because they didn’t like her to begin with. Hope she is happy and is reveling in some redemption.
This was the only thing anyone talked about going into that Olympics. I remember it very well. There's a documentary on it on Netflix that is really interesting for those interested.
Nancy didn't deserve to get hurt but should be thankful it wasn't worse than it was. Tonya had a hard life and was judged for it which is sad since she was the best being the first American to hit the triple axle at competion. Jeff gooly was not a very good guy and Tonya would of been better off without him. Nancy knew what she was doing wearin the same outfit she was hurt in to mess with Tonya. There were no winners in this tragic situation except for figure skating which that year got ALOT more attention bc of this travesty
I don't get this response at all. A tough childhood excuses nothing. Nancy "knew what she was doing" and???? Why in the world should she believe that Tonya had no idea what HER ex-husband was going to do? Why shouldn't she wear what she wanted to?
How is it that Nancy is STILL salty about this when it was so long ago. It makes me feel no remorse for her and she still blames Tonya for her not getting gold. NO MA'AM YOU GOT THE SCORE YOU DESERVED AND OLYMPIC SILVER IS NOT THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD. Not to mention that you had the judges in your pocket already because you're the marketable image of figure skating. Tonya has the right to be bitter because it was rigged anyway and now she is banned from all competition. THAT is life ruining for her. and yet no, tonya is stil remorseful for the incident.
It’s true that Tonya didn’t deserve to be treated the way she was and it’s also true that Nancy didn’t deserve to be attacked. Connie Chung said it best: “Nancy wasn’t all good and Tonya wasn’t all bad”. Dragging details of their personal lives into arguments doesn’t justify what happened to either, professionally.
IMO even if Tonya had actually taken the baton to Nancy's knee herself, the punishment she got and still gets, is WAY harsher than would have been warranted.
Sanbika tonya didn't even organize the attack it was all her husband
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Lmao your profile pic is Jungkook!
Media is that, who is to blame for all of this after-ski. Mis-leading people is so pathetic.
Nope, not a two-way street, imo.
I feel like people give more positive comments to Tonya now than the 90s because our society has changed. Nancy and her hi-class good girl image fit with 90s society while Tonya with hard working and self-made money/status is more admired in this era.
The informations we know still the same but people want to believe in difference things.
Paperism Also, it became apparent almost immediately after the Olympics that Kerrigan is a terrible person and a sore loser...
I think the film has a lot to do with that too. It was a bit more biased towards Tonya. What has change is the way the media portraits the information.
Hard working is US. US is hard working. It's only been a relatively short time that immigrates and left started to try to turn the country into socialists where everything, you have earned or not, has to be shared with everyong else.
No 1 people back then were hopeing for tonya that maroon costume a lady made that for her but tonya harding thinks her shit don't stink and nancy kerrigan poor victum entitled rich girl thier ego's damaged them both if they'd of quit poohooing and put in thier best tonya harding probably would have taken the gold but thier jealousy of each other hurt them both in the end they were both entitled complainers and were poor sports
Nancy wasn’t “high class”. Her dad was a welder, and the family was blue collar. If you’re a Tonya fan I get it, but isn’t Tonya enough?... no need to diss Nancy to make Tonya look better. Tonya was a better skater but made some bad decisions and paid heavily. Nothing is going to take away her talent, or make her look better by trashing Nancy.
As an old person who was aroundwhen this went down Tonya was given a raw deal simply because she was "trailer trash" vs Nancy who came from a very waspy family. Figure skating was elitist af and the scandal just exposed it .....
Siren Thomas if its not racism,it's classism
Just finished watching the movie and I'm on Tonya's side :)
My mom said the same thing when she first heard about the movie. According to my mother, judges were harder on Tonya than they were other skaters. I guess they were particularly critical of her wardrobe.
Dwaah poor little Tonya didn't get away with trying to take out her competition through violence. Clearly this is rich peoples fault.
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what arent you geting besides Tonya was the better skater she didnt need to take Nancy out. She was what the youngins call BASIC ....Tonya brought something new and different to the rink....so you can shove that theory of she needed to take Nancy out to win up your butt...fuck you care for are you nancy's relative or something LOL...
I remember that Olympics, I was actually there when Oksana Baiul won, out of nowhere. Nancy Kerrigan was big favourite to win, all American sweetheart, victim....nobody cared outside of USA and she was really pissed she didn't win. Oksana's free program was out of this world and she won. End of drama.
Oksana was phenomenal that day.
@@freddiemercury4evr Oksana Baiul is incredible!
I remember watching the live broadcast of the competition
I remember watching this also. Oksana’s performance gave me goosebumps! It was fantastic! Nancy’s performance was blah. She was just going thru the motions on auto pilot. I was not and have never been impressed with Nancy’s skating. She performed everything like she was supposed to but she had no heart in it.
And she complained about Oksana "crying again" after winning. I cant stand nancy
Is it just me or she looks more like Amy Adams
TheSmartds27 Amy is too old to play her....Margot is closer in age to tonya at the time this happened.
MizzKQ I see.
You are not alone
right?!!
She does indeed look like Adams, but Adams looks too old. Dont know her actual age, but don't think they can get her to look like someone in their early 20s.
Am I the only one getting the feeling that Nancy Kerrigan is just playing the victim?
Nancy Kerrigan is a despicable person. She was having an affair with her coach and he left his family and 2 children for her. And the woman still can't land a triple. Its sad what happened to Tonya. Her whole life seems to be a shakespear tragedy. She might've known about it, but I really doubt she helped plan it or was involved to that extent. If someone treated you like crap and looked down their nose at you because you had to make your own outfits, would you really go out of your way to say hey watch your back? I'm not so sure that I would. I would probably tell the men planning it no, don't do that and then never mention it again. Because what would telling the authorities do? get your husband in trouble. Its all kind of fucked up. If you also had your mind focused on skating who is going to borrow that kind of trouble?
Rose Madder and i still feel bad for her. i never felt bad for nancy. And im extremely glad that Oksana won gold. Nancy wouldve disappeared completely if not for this incident.
totally agree
Uh, she was a victim.
Rose R. Well said.
Nancy Kerrigan suffered BRUISING. All this over literally a few bruises.
There was never any photos released to the public either of said injury. Which was odd even now.
Inessence4 why would that be odd? Athletes can be secretive about injuries, esp weeks before a competition, let alone the biggest stage for the sport.
teeto97 because there was a criminal investigation and a teammate was being accused. It wasn’t like JFK hiding his back injury so he could get elected.
It also happened the night before the championships to determine who would get to represent the US at the Olympics. No athlete likes to get hurt before the big game, as they say. When Kerrigan was screaming, it was more than just the attack itself. She was also thinking that she wouldn't be able to compete the following evening and her lifelong dream would be over. As it turned out, she couldn't compete, and Harding and Michelle Kwan ended up placing first and second, respectively, qualifying for the US team, as Kerrigan looked on tearfully. Later, Kerrigan replaced Kwan when she got better and felt secure enough, but there were some that thought she should have replaced Harding, instead.
Lissy London it was actually more, now she suffers nerve damage
If only she never met her first husband and had a better mother then maybe none of this tragedy would have ever happened
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The common denominator is her.
If she didn't have that mother she wouldn't have been what she was. But I agree sbou5 the husband, it happens way more than it should....
How? It's her own fault she didn't buy herself better skates and costumes with all the millions she won from competitions. That wouldn't change no matter who she married.
@@canadianbeef1958the skates didn't bash nancy's knee. i get talking about the mom here is a bit unrelated, but her first husband was a violent idiot.
Margot Robbie was cast as the lead because she was the one who bought the script and executive produced the thing so obviously she cast herself in a film that was almost sure to get Oscar buzz.
Dani she's totally right. You're trying to diss her for this?
P.s.: did Margot write the script?
She didn't write the script, it was a guy named Steve Rogers (which is ironic all in itself lol)but I'm not dissing her, just telling the people claiming that Amy Adams should have been cast. It's obvious why she did it and I agree, why not take advantage of her own project? I think she'll do great tbh. Nothing wrong with Margot.
Dani and Joan Crawford went out and got Whatever Happened To Baby Jane.... it happens often enough
Dani honestly barely anyone really cares about this story so I don’t think it will even get a nomination
lol conspiracy theory, what if Kerrigan was the one who planned all of this just to get Harding out of competition forever
D J A few months after the Olympics, I actually heard that rumor from several people. I had that discussion at school with some classmates & later that same day at work. My personal opinion is probably not just for the simple fact that Tonya & the goons were plead guilty. Surely they wouldn’t have done that if they could prove they weren’t involved.
OMG YOU STAN 5H
D J this is actually a good story for a movie. I like twisted endings. Two thumbs up!
I agree. I also believe Nancy got Tonyas husband to say Tonya was involved and he did it as revenge for Tonya leaving him
Rebeckah Camden I really doubt that because I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t purposely ruin the moment she has been training for her whole entire life
I always felt sorry for Tonya Harding. Nancy Kerrigan came across as such a smug twit. It was obvious she was being favoured more because she was the "good girl" than for her skill.
you 10 year old brat, go watch Disney Channel and stay in your lane.
Actually, Kerrigan was a great skater. She was always praised for her technical merit. She was first and foremost an athlete, as she described herself in this video. Harding was also a great skater/athlete. The main difference between them is that Kerrigan was a dedicated skater, whereas Harding hated practicing and could get lazy. Had Harding applied herself, she wouldn't feel the need to take out the competition.
Both were very talented, but Harding had a raw talent that, had she honed by practicing more, would have made her one of the greatest of all time. Kerrigan, while talented in her own right, was more known for being very dedicated and hard-working. Was she talented as well? Yes, but she had to work more for it. Harding had a raw ability that comes once in a lifetime
Olga Nohra tonya is a cheater...
I think they were both “mean” girls. Unfortunately,Tanya is now going for dumb blonde too.
Ok a lot of people are blaming Nancy for overreacting who wouldn’t, she was going into the olympics.
And she did
SHE GOT A BRUISE AND CRIED ARE U KIDDING SHE SEEMS LIKE A SPOILED BRAT WHO JUST BLAMED TONYA LIKE PROOF?!?!
she went to the Olympics and she wasn't even injured that badly but made it a big deal...they were from the same country and it wasn't okay that she let or drag tonya when tonya still to this day says she didn't have anything to do with it
Why are people targeting Nancy so much if her leg was broken it could have ruined her career
@@mahmohapooh it wasn't only the bruise? She was scared because she literally got attacked by two stranger men with a baton? What did y'all expect her to react like in that situation. If it hit harder or even a little above/ below it might end her career. It is so weird that how everyone portrays Nancy as the villian just because she got attacked? I feel like if it was the other way around yall would defend the woman who got attacked.
For everyone saying that Amy Adams should have played Tonya, I don't really think they are looking for the perfect look alike. They need someone that will really master their role and I think Margot will. I'm not so sure about Amy...
Emily Lorenz Amy Adams is a versatile actress but she is in her 40s and cannot portray someone who is a young and troubled figure skater realistically. Margot is 27 and closer to Tonya’s age (24) when she competed at the 1994 Winter Olympics in Lillehammer.
Ms Rana I’m just stating what the film directors and producers probably had in time. Maggie was one of the producers so she definitely had more influence in the casting (Reese Witherspoon did the same thing and almost weaseled her way into the movie “Gone Girl” but the director decided to cast Rosamund Pike as the lead girl instead). Sadly, older actresses get less opportunities and screen time once they reach a certain age and if they do, they usually get cast in some forgettable mother and grandmother roles (Meryl Streep is one exception). Maggie Gyllenhaal once said that a Hollywood producer considered the 37-year-old her to be “too old” to star as a 55-year-old actor’s romantic interest on screen. It’s baffling.
Ms Rana There is no way she looked 50. Jesus, she looks the same age Tonya did at the time
Ms Rana Margot did a great job get over yourself
Ms Rana shut up do you want amy to suffer with cramps and they just need someone who is young and active an even if they look old they still are young so dont be a jerk
You guys had the CHANCE to say "They were on thin ice."
I mean the committee didn't treat Tonya fair, they didn't judge her fairly because they wanted the innocent and naive image to represent their country rather than a woman whose been through shit and still survived to be a strong independent woman and isn't afraid to show her battle scars. They didn't judge based on talent they judges based on image and they chose a pretty dumb image.
She still shouldnt have been involved in attacking the opponent, which she obviously did, lets not kid ourselves. With this said, when someone is treated as unfairly and working as hard as she did and not being given what she Deserved, sometimes that messes people up even more and makes people do regretable things...
Stopping in the middle of competitions to fix your skates and costumes is her own fault. You can't blame the committee for Tonya not coming prepared.
You missed the fact that Tonya was (prior to incident) a technically more proficient skater being the first American female to ever land a triple axel in competition and still one of only about 19 women in the world to do so (2021). In fact in the film they had to recreate it using special effects because the professionals hired couldn't do one. It involves a forward take off without using the toe pick, three and a half rotations in about one second and landing on the other foot with a force of over 400 pounds. No one will ever take that away from her.
The way I see it, Tonya's punishment was way too harsh. Even if she did know beforehand about what was supposed to happen, I would be scared to tell anyone as well, her husband was ABUSIVE. Tonya said there were multiple occasions where she feared for her life because of him. The fact that her ex-husband and bodyguard got 18 months and she had to go on probation, pay a lot of money, AND couldn't compete anymore is absolutely ridiculous.
Omg honestly I feel bad for Nancy but she was not as good as tonya. She was just a better fit for that girly and classy stereotype for skating. It's just annoying that tonya had such a hard life and had to go through many obstacles meanwhile Nancy was way more privileged. Then, one bad thing happens to Nancy; she has a pity party and poof there goes tonyas only love: skating
You obviously don't know the facts Nancy's dad has to work 3 jobs just to support her career both girls had hard lives that doesn't mean Nancy deserved what happened and neither did tonya but tonya knew about it she even said she knew so why lie and say you didn't
Edit: both girls really loved skating it was there lives if Nancy's leg came out broken it would have ruined her career she wouldn't be able to skate for awhile and she really wanted to skate just like tonya again tonya knew about it so why didn't she report it this would have never happened if tonya just reported it but she didn't because she obviously wanted Nancy out the competition I do believe tonya had some involvement but that doesn't mean both girls get to be bashed both girls had hard lives both girls loves skating so what what does that have to do with anything
no one:
Absolutely no one:
Nancy: WHYYYYY WHYYYYY WHYYYYY WAAAAA YYYYYY
Salty Productions Whiny little mean girl 😂😂
If someone attacked you you’d cry out as well. She asked why did someone attack me why did this happen to me. That’s reasonable to question
Is it bad that I laughed
You’re the dumbest person here
If someone almost broke my leg I would be crying to guess I would be a whiny little mean girl
I remember watching these events. Tonya was a great skater, a powerhouse. Kerrigan was a great skater, but I didn't feel she had any charisma in her performance. And you could tell she was pissed that she came in 2nd at the Olympics. She didn't even try to hide it. I remember things for Tonya just crumbled, at one point she approached the judges crying and showing them her skating boot . . . something had gone wrong. I think after everything, the strain just got to both women and neither brought their A game. I agree with Animotost, Amy Adams would've been great, had she been the right age, to play Harding. Margot Robbie makes her look insane. Like she's portraying perhaps what Harding looks like on the inside . . .
Tonya's boot strap had broken shortly before she was due to take the ice and she had to redo it right before. It broke her concentration so she popped a jump. She approached the judge mid-skate to explain the situation and was allowed time to adjust the laces. She couldn't reskate the whole program though so she finished the SP low in the ranking. In those Olympics, you had to be top 4 in order to have a hope of finishing with Gold. Nancy said some not nice remarks while waiting for the awards ceremony about the Gold medal winner Oksana. It might be a case of poor sportsmanship or heightened emotion, but since the media painted her as a media darling, the comments were the more shocking and took the gleam off her.
Indeed. She had such an acceptable, inspirational personal story: All-American girl, blind mom . . . Tonya was trailer trash--in the eyes of the media and public. I think Kerrigan felt like she was owed the gold. That's what it seems when you watch these clips where she's being interviewed and showing the guy the medals people sent her after she got the silver at the Olympics. Even if Harding hadn't had the problems with her skate and earned the gold, I feel they would have found a way to not let her have it. Craziness.
Kerrigan did bring her A game. But Baiul won by the slimmest margin possible, 0.1 point by one judge from the former Iron Curtain country of East Germany. Harding, on the other hand, was not able to land a triple axel again in competition after 1991. Her competitive results started to decline after that.
Wow, this lead me to read up on Nancy and geez, she was not the nice person the media led us to believe. She reminds me of the teacher's pet that had the best toys, clothe and family. I don't believe she deserved to be hurt, but now I know why she reacted so much to one wack on the knee.
Yeah, she looks like a snooty princess, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't feel bad for her. The reason she reacted so violently is because she was afraid her olympic dream and her skating would be taken away from her. That and the shock and the pain of it all. It's not like these people go to an ice skating camp and then just pop out like fully trained champions, they work hard for this almost their entire life. Only a handful of serious athletes make it to the Olympics, and it's not peanuts. And one wack on the knee with a police baton is not just a wack, let me tell you that much... ouch.
If you trained your WHOLE life to something and have someone try to take your goal away weeks before the biggest platform for your career you'd be screaming like that too. She almost had her knee cap shattered. It wasnt just a little hit.
Yeah, that's pretty much the impression I always got of her. She was the spoiled stuck up brat who knew she should be tops. A lot of people think she actually hired the hit so everyone would cheer her on, which they did. More people were cheering on Tonya before it happened then after her support was very small.
my family is friends with someone who met nancy at a hockey game and nancy straight up ignored her and flirted with her husband (who was some sort of well known hockey player) right in front of her
Wow. That is horrible!
Amy Adams looks just like her! Too bad she was probably too old to play Tonya
yeah..its sexist though. When Russel Crowe was like 40 something they made him play James Braddock in Cinderella Man when the character was supposed to be super young in the beginning. And Johnny Depp played John Dillinger in his mid-40s at least and Dillinger died at 31. Oh well
Im pretty sure that the role was only handed to margot and amy not even mentioned so stop with the bs
I don't like Amy Adams anyway ha
I thought the exact same thing.
With the right make up she can looks even more younger than margot.
Tonya was an inspiration, Kerrigan just made a career out of being a victim. Tonya was clearly the more brilliant skater, her heart was in it and she worked incredibly hard, Kerrigan to me just seemed like she did it for the glory. She didn't skate like her heart was in it.
OH barf you poor sucker hahaha if you only knew the real Tonya and not this make believe one.
Clearly this video was not done by a figure skater.Here's what you NEED to know:
1. Michelle Kwan was ALWAYS the alternate - as there is ALWAYS an alternate. In 1994 we had 2 spots on the Olympic team, the alternate is always sent over as a precaution.2. Figure skating was the MOST WATCHED sporting event that year.3. Kerrigan STILL LOST the gold medal to Oksana Baiul. Tonya came in 6th I think.....4. The first National Senior appearance for Michelle Kwan - and the beginning of her dynasty.5. Everyone knew Tonya was involved.6. Nancy was a bitch. Still is.
Panda doesn’t matter if shes as “bitch” or not, she didn’t deserve what happened to her!🙄😂
Didn't say that she did. Don't read into what is not there.
Panda chill buddy it was just a comment stating an opinion after you sais ur “facts”. is also known as having a conversation in case you don’t know
Panda 6 IS SO TRUE
Tonya came from 10th to 6th in the olympics, she was given time to recover and placed 8th, obviously the judges lowered their scores to make nancy the princess blah blah blah.
sebastian stan is in this movie so i'm going to watch it
He's my ABSOLUTE FAV!!
he looked SO good with a stache
Ya beating the living hell out on Margot lol
the louvre he's fantastic in this film
I almost fell out of love with him because of this movie. He was such a jerk.
I was never a fan of Nancy. If you watch any interview with her she behaves so entitled and snobbish.. i can easily see how a girl who was raised poorly and had to fight 3 times as hard to get where she was could have flipped out in jealousy. #teamtonya
Anna Holle wow endorsing assault because she is too snobby. Seriously she needs to be in jail and people like you think it’s so cool to cheat by injuring your competitor instead of actually working hard and earning the medal.
WeiYinChan i never said nancy deserved what happened to her... I said she was easy to be envious of, especially because USFSA was eating out of her ass
@@WeiYinChan No one's endorsing assault. Her idiot husband had her bodyguard pay another guy to assault Kerrigan and she was just bruised and acted like a big drama queen over it. If it was as bad as Kerrigan acted, she wouldn't have been competing a few weeks later.
@@WeiYinChan Tonya worked her balls off. Training, paying coaches, waiting tables, sewing costumes just so judges could take point away for presentation... most skaters had that crap handed to them.
Forest Nymph Confessions thanks for proving my point, you literally justified the assult because “it’s not that bad anyways”. First of all, she knew about the attack before it happened, just because she didnt hire the guy herself doesn’t make her not guilty when she knowingly failed to report it to authority. Second of all, if my whole life and career depends on my legs, I’m gonna go crazy when some guy start beating the shit out of them as well. And like Tonya didn’t cry and go all dramatic over a pair of skates not tying properly before. She even stopped competing and cried to the judges about the skates being uncomfortable. Nancy obviously had more dedication for competing with an injured leg, and won fair and square.
I hope Margot Robbie wins an Oscar as Tonya Harding. However, it might not happen because Saosire Ronan (Lady Bird) and Sally Hawkins (The Shape of Water) are in her way. At least, she deserves an Oscars nomination.
Pretty sure I, Tonya won't even qualify for this year's Oscars, though. She'll probably have to wait until next year.
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_I, Tonya_ will be released on December 8. It will definitely qualify for this year's academy awards.
RaymondHng I’m sorry. I was thinking of the Grammys, which has an earlier deadline.
Timmy Nguyen I hope Sally Hawkins gets it. Women like her often go unnoticed.
The Grammys have a very early deadline in the year, September 30. The Academy Awards deadline is December 31.
they don’t even have proof she did it, it’s SO FUCKING UNFAIR. yes I think it’s sketchy but there isn’t even any solid information and we DO NOT KNOW the truth, it’s only theories etc.
For me Margot Robbie looks like Nancy better than Tonya
Amy Adams shoul´ve get that role
MarIrisFM was just bout to comment that
ikr couldve been margo playing nancy and amy adams playing tonya
yeah, i cant wait to see the movie
i remember when barack obama landed his very first triple axel
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To show you Kerrigan's true side, Oksana Baiul had won the gold. Kerrigan got silver and Chen Lu got the bronze. While Kerrigan and Lu waited over 20 minutes for Olympic officials to find a copy of the Ukrainian national anthem, someone mistakenly told Kerrigan the delay in the presentation was because Baiul had cried off her make-up and was getting it retouched. Kerrigan, with obvious frustration, was caught on-camera saying "Oh, come on. So she's going to get out here and cry again. What's the difference?" That comment showed people that Kerrigan wasn't necessarily a "good girl" either.
Well that's my point.
raymesquite yup..
Ummm and what's the point of saying this? You could argue Tonya and Nancy were both bitches but one of them is a bitch who conspired to break another person's leg.
Because of a misunderstanding that somebody else told her? That's weak sauce
I feel like Tonya didn’t do it and her hubby and mom wanted to carry out this awful crime. Then again, I don’t know much about this scandal.
I do kind of get the vibe that Nancy just kind of milked this whole thing for attention, like I'm sure being attacked was scary and scarring for her, but the way she goes about it just seems very high and mighty y'know?
is it just me or should they not have casted amy adams as tonya instead of margot, adams and harding 99% similar faces lol
holy shit yessss
She’s to old
bailey jones Yeah I do admit they look alike but Amys even older than Tonya the script need at least someone in their mid twenties
Right? I mean, Margot looks like nancy with brunette hair.
margot can act
Nancy Kerrigan was the reason I quit watching figure skating.
She's hard to look at..
@@forestnymphconfessions3596 I think when this all happened, it seemed the world was so against Tonya. It's impossible not to link N&T but when you compare the two, in my mind, Tonya was so much more likable and human. I intuitively never liked Nancy. I guess she was considered beautiful but I never thought so.
The number of private investigators in the comment section, who seem to know Harding personally, is outstanding.
I mean, none of us really can have a say on this. Yet we all have an opinion and “evidence”. At the end of the day, these comments won’t amount to anything so it doesn’t matter
tonya risked so much for her career, why do people honestly think she would have anything to do with the attack. shes not stupid, she realises the risks that come with planning such an attack
She was aware of it stupid meaning she's just as responsible
@@LegendsForever206 You didn’t read the actual comment did you-
@@lyoona1832 yup she knew the risks but she still let them go with the plan
@@LegendsForever206were you there
The only time when people actually cared to watch the Winter Olympics
I can relate to Tonya on a very personally level, I can see her growing up seeing other little girls with there mother having a loving bond and being treated like dirt by hers
I cannot wait for the movie!!
The main reasons I'm willing to doubt that she had prior knowledge of the planned physical attack are 1) her confidence in her own skating and 2) how hard she had to work coming from her working class roots and how that all could have been (and was) so easily compromised with such a dumb plan. But we'll never really know. This was a terrific movie though, and I find Harding the more interesting personality.
pfffft.. Nancy father work 3 job. look it up. just because you are poor and abused you don't have to act like trash.. I am more into Nancy cos she is in her 50s and still hot.. look at Tonya. yuck
Gilooly was abusive and was only with Tonya for her money. ALSO harding wasn't the American sweet heart the judges wanted they thought she wasn't dainty enough, her background was disgraceful, and if she brokeup with gilooly it would ruin her image. I'm on Tonya's side :P
So I have many different opinions of my own...
First off, I want to hear more from Jeff Gooley and his side of it all. I’m sick of hearing everyone defending Harding because of this brand new movie coming out, which alone was tweaked enough by Hollywood. So of course with such a fan base, everyone now sides with Tonya because she’s played by the beloved Margot Robbie. Robbie herself claims that she is not 100% defending Tonya like false sources have said. She says she has to believe in her character in order to portray her correctly. Which she seems to have done a fantastic job if I may add.
But of course now people are calling out Kerrigan for being a cry baby, when not many of you probably realize how serious this was.
Stop looking at it as “This whole thing is over just some bruising.” It’s much more than that. The intent of the crime was to break her leg. It doesn’t matter what was carried out successfully, a man was paid to take out the competition. That is a fact no matter how you want to look at it. Secondly, this incident can be overlooked and forgotten by most people who hear about it, but for both Nancy and Tonya this will live in until the day they die. Kerrigan could be traumatized for life. While everyone is taking the time to call her a whining brat, maybe you should stop to consider that Kerrigan could suffer from minor Post Traumatic Stress or even nightmares.
Everyone needs to take a step back and look at the big picture before you start calling names. And also before you start pointing fingers.
Now this being said, I am not 100% on Kerrigan’s side of it all. I think I need to learn more about this through reliable source rather than this new film. But from my perspective, I’m still trying to understand why Jeff would even want or plan out this attack without Tonya egging him on about it or implying something along the lines. It just seems to unlikely for him to possibly think, “Hey let me take out the competition for my newly wed wife without telling her. It’ll be my little anniversary gift.”
Really?
I mean come on, it just sounds ridiculous unless he really was psychotic.
And at the same time I just feel so bad for Tonya.
If she really was innocent to this whole mess than it’s sad to think of how her whole career, her dream was taken from her just like that.
And if she is guilty, it also seems that her mother is another to blame. Her verbal and physical abuse is probably what drove her mad in the first place. She pushed her so much, she just broke her.
So I guess I have many opposing thoughts, obviously, when it comes to this conspiracy. Like I said before, I just think we need more research and facts before we all jump to further conclusions.
And at the end of the day, you never know what really happened behind closed doors.
I agree, I guess we'll never really know. I think it's possible though that the ex was at fault. I mean, if he really was abusive, he could've planned this as revenge, or a sick way of "showing his love" to Tonya. Maybe Tonya knew and was too scared to act, or she was behind it all. I guess its just in the past now.
@Tori Soulis Like I said in the earlier comment, if he was an abusive husband like he is portrayed in the film, his possible motives could be revenge for Tonya leaving him, or he could've done it without Tonya's knowledge as a "surprise gift". People are crazy.
My thoughts on why her husband is said to have planned it- he possibly wanted the money that would come from Tonya winning, and didn’t feel confident that would happen with Nancy in the way, a clear favorite to the judges.
And that's the real tea.
Thank You! people are really distorted in their thought process here... It was a contracted hit
Poor Tonya Harding. She was the tuff girl who stood up. The Ex Husband is sick.
I'm excited to see this movie but I would have loved to see tonya's story adapted in American Crime Story !!
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*The TRUTH before JeHoVah GOD*
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*WHY ONLY the FAT FUCK????*
Why NOT her Husband????
Why NOT those 2-Outside Thugs, The WHAKER!???
There were 4-Men, Right??? or was there a 5th????
Why ONLY the FAT Fuck???
*MORE IMPORTANTLY*
*Why does TONYA, Bare NO BLAME?????*
*SHE was UP to HER EYE BALLS, PUSHING this!!!*
*Tonya could have said, " N O " at any Moment!!!*
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She gave me a ride home. From Portland..I was stuck there..she was a lady. ..came in talked to my girl..love you forever for that. She was so small so pretty
Dan Corley who? Harding?
For anyone interested, on Jan 12th, Harding admitted to having prior knowledge of the attack.
Finishing 8th in the Olympics with all that stress going on is quite remarkable. Ahe must have been really good. (well, you have to be really good to get to go to the Olympics in the first place...)
damn some of y'all got no heart or something.
Okay so maybe Nancy Kerrigan might act or seem stuck up and whatever but no one deserves to be attacked like this. Like come on now
If it was you, you would be saying a different story now wouldn't you?
She didn’t deserve it & some people go too far. That being said, I think people are starting to see that Tonya is a person, too & had her struggles. I don’t consider myself to be a feminist, but legitimate feminists are taking another look at the treatment of women who were vilified back in the 90’s. Some of that vilification was deserved like in Tonya’s case & Monica Lewinsky, etc., but people were not looking at all of the circumstances surrounding these women. I hate to use the word victim, but a lot of these women were a victim of circumstance. Even Monica Lewinsky could be said to be a victim of a very powerful man. Yes, their relationship was “consensual,” but at the same time girls that age are not mature enough to understand completely what was going on or how it would affect them. Before the Tonya-Nancy scandal broke, people were bashing Lorena Bobbitt, completely ignoring the fact that she claimed to be a victim of abuse & marital rape. It even spilled over to Nancy Kerrigan who was a more obvious victim. I didn’t care for her attitude, but like her parents said, if she has been a man, it would’ve been overlooked which is true of Tonya, as well. If Tonya had been a male figure skater or just a rough around the edges athlete in most other sports, she wouldn’t have been criticized. If she had been a man playing in the NFL & bashed the first string quarterback’s knee so she’d get a chance to play, she probably would’ve been welcomed back with open arms when she finished her sentence. Sorry for the rant. I promise I don’t call myself a feminist, but I can see clearly enough to realize how it works. I was also a young woman, just a few years younger than Tonya & Nancy & a figure skating fan, so I read & saw practically everything the media did.
alsk20 your right now one needs there kneecap shattered
Syzygy Msp how do u know she wasn't involved
Syzygy Msp just cause she said she wasn't involved doesn't mean it's true and even if she was a better skater she was probably dropping the close competition
Syzygy Msp true but just cause she didn't make direct contact herself doesn't mean it wasn't her fault and or doing
Amy Schumer looks just like Tonya...
I was just thinking that!
people would have hated tonya even more if piggy schumer played her
linz
Tonya reminds me of Stevie Nicks
Like 5 tonyas
That's insulting to both of them
Girl pleaseee, she said she supposedly didn’t know about it yet but later confessed to hearing people talk about the attack before it was done
*2-Sides to EVERY STORY*
*The TRUTH before JeHoVah GOD*
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*SATAN & BiLLions of LIARS with their TriLLion LIES!!!!*
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*WHY ONLY the FAT FUCK????*
Why NOT her Husband????
Why NOT those 2-Outside Thugs, The WHAKER!???
There were 4-Men, Right??? or was there a 5th????
Why ONLY the FAT Fuck???
*MORE IMPORTANTLY*
*Why does TONYA, Bare NO BLAME?????*
*SHE was UP to HER EYE BALLS, PUSHING this!!!*
*Tonya could have said, " N O " at any Moment!!!*
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I believe Tonya. I just don't know why. If in the movie they show Margot hitting her knee I will bepissed. But I bet I would still love it
Keno Badogomba Based on the trailer, it probably won’t.
Why would they show something like that ? A man swung it in the first place .
I actually believe Tonya and I believe that her husband was the one who planned it all without Tonyas knowledge.
I believe her. I mean even now she doesn’t seem like that kind of a girl. And with all three of those men it seems like they conspired all of this without Harding.
The address of nancy's practice was in tonya's handwriting, this is only one of the proofs the police found back then, plus her admitting that she new of the plan of attack but chose to keep quiet. Try watching the old news videos or google, don't just watch movies.
Just because she didn't seem like that kind girl doesn't mean she wasn't involved she said she knew about it but she didn't report it
Abby_2020 I’ve never watched this movie. My opinion is based solely on the facts. Thanks you.
Tonya and Midori Ito were ahead of their time as world-class women athletes in ice skating. Such tragic success. I hope Tonya finally gets her long overdue recognition as one of the world's best ice skaters in history. Check out her face-off skating video vs Scott Hamilton! It puts her outstanding athletic ability in a whole new light.
I knew they were gonna make a film about this. It was only a matter of time
Interestingly, Kerrigan had more to gain from Harding being accused of (or at minimum distracted by the accusation of) the attack. Harding was the stronger skater of the two by far (when she was focused). This is not to say that Kerrigan had anything to do with any sort of set-up or diabolical plan, just interesting is all... I have always firmly believed that Harding's dipsh!t ex-hubby did it, thinking he was doing Tonya some twisted favor that would lead to them getting back together...
All along, we ignore the pink girl caught in the middle who actually won the gold medal that year, Oksana Baiul, who, herself, ended up becoming a controversial person after all this went down.
I love the fact she didn't even get in to top 3
In later interviews, Tonya Harding did admit that she had prior knowledge to the attack. Also in December of 2016, police released evidence that suggests that Tonya Harding was involved. Police found an envelope (during investigation) with an address of a skating rink that Kerrigan was going to be practicing at that was written in Tonya's handwriting.. That particular attack failed.
hima luki you’re basing your knowledge off of the movie and not actual research? lmao okay
she knew! of course she knew! look at the end result--that skating broad got attacked. and then work it backwards. you gotta do that when dealing with lies and figuring out the whole process: start with the end result, and work it backwards; take the information you do have, and work with piecing together the rest. it all leads back to our...tonya. it's not as if harding could have directly performed the assault herself! wouldn't that be something. and yet, everyone around harding, is directly involved with her. so what. it's not such a long reach. she knew. and she was involved in the arrangements. and, there's nothing but nucklehead stupid move after stupid move! nothing but mistake after mistake! stupid moves...hmmmm...who could that be?
5:20 how can she even say that jesus you got a silver medal from the olympics how can you not want that?
Found it odd that the camera followed Nancy Kerrigan right after she went behind curtain. A second later the camera goes behind it Nancy is already on the ground with 5 EMTs around her
Just because of the way Nancy grew up, or however her attitude was she did not deserve what happened to her period. I will never believe that Tonya did not know about what her HUSBAND was plotting to do for her career.
Logically, for a person who isn’t willing to give in to and change her style to match the main stream ‘ noble’ like style, for someone who has such strong belief in her own ability, for someone who has given all her life for figure skating, she would’ve want to beat her opponent by her own ability, why would she use such an act that is both a disgrace for her love of figure skating and personal ability?
Totally same, even after the attack happens Tonya says "it wouldn't be the same without competing with nancy, it wouldn't be a deserved crown" My personal opinion is that Tonya might've known something was going on but she was too scared to report it because her husband being so abusive towards her, and she just hoped it wouldn't happen.
How were the cameras on the scene to film Kerrigan so soon after the incident?
*IGNORANT FUCK, GOD I HATE the STUPID!!!!*
I am ignorant of this subject, but I am not stupid. Why not help me amend my ignorance by sharing your superior knowledge.
Tanya didn’t foresee Oksana bringing home the gold. That was a magnificent night!
Everyone knows she knew about it. The address of the skating rink where the practice was held was written in Harding's handwriting. She shouldn't be basking in this glory.
That's why the narrator prefaced it with "Despite the clear trail of evidence linking the crime to Harding..."
If her ex husband was informed about Harding's routine, he'd probably know the rink's address
Tanya Harding is more at fault than those scum that actually hit Kerrigan!
She knew about pieces of the planned attack and stood by and let it happen. That makes her just as if not more responsible for what happened than her ex and his cronies.
Tanya has become a celebrity while Kerrigan is hardly mentioned, accept her association with this ugly incident.
Sellie Desta TONYA is a BIG SHAME
In “I, Tonya” it shows that she wrote the address because her boyfriend suggested sending a threatening letter because Tonya was also sent one, not because she wanted her to get attacked.
What was portrayed in the film was that Tonya in the beginning knew about the plan to mail death threat letters to Kerrigan, which was planned by Jeff's delusional friend Shawn with Jeff's funding. (Tonya herself was sent a death threat initially before the whole letter plan, which Jeff later on found out Shawn made the false death threat for some insane reason from his plan.) When things got serious with her preparation for the olympics, she detached herself from the planning, caring less about what they were doing so she could focus on practicing. When it came to the actual attacked, it was portrayed that Jeff and Tonya didn't know that Shawn had planned, along with hired hit man Derrick and his nephew Shane (in the clip), to bash Kerrigan's knee. So most likely, she knew something was up in relation to doing "something" to Kerrigan. Whether she really knew about only the letters or knew something about the attack since the accounts of the participants seem to change.The film gave off a vibe that Jeff's friend Shawn was insecure, delusional, and crazy and that he was the mastermind of the whole thing, but put the blame on Jeff and Tonya was caught in the crossfire and paid a great debt for it. Guilty by association.
I honestly believe that her husband (tonya's husband) wanted to distroy her and to do so,he had to hurt her rival in order to make people and police believe she did it ! Just to destroy her image and career.
1994: Nancy kerrigan and Tonya Harding
2014:Adelina Slotnikova and Yuna Kim
Hmmmmmmm
I want a movie in Nancy perspective!
People can say whatever they want about Tonya Harding. She will forever be the 1st US woman to land a 3A. She was a Brilliant skater and had FS not been as classist as it was she would of went far
I understand she was bitter, but shame on Nancy for letting them take away Tonya's career over a bruise.
What do you mean let them? You think Nancy can control what a judge rules?
4:23 dang, that spin! as if it doesn't avail the laws of Physics
funny story- my nonna, a 70 year old italian immigrant, was visiting my family and i was watching the 60 minuets about the tonya case. she laughed and mimicked nancy’s crying/screaming. i kept trying to hold off my own laughter at what my nonna was doing.
Could have been just shock but she did not appear to be sceaming. However, she did appear to be wailing.
After watching this movie many people would just realized how hard and unfortunate her life is instead of cursing and making fun of her
i feel like it was so unfair that SHE had to pay for it. she was clearly being abused by both her mother and husband
Come on she KNEW about attack! That makes you just as guilty. So, all saying she wasn't (especially the courts) are dead wrong.
I don’t know why, but I hate Nancy Kerrigan, and really like Tonya Harding. I don’t believe that Tonya ordered the attack. I think they took her livelihood away from her because they didn’t like her to begin with. Hope she is happy and is reveling in some redemption.
One can't simply base his views on an incident based on a movie portraying it.Truth is always more complicated.
I don't why but I kinda believe her, Tonya...
OH barf you poor sucker hahaha if you only knew the real Tonya and not this make believe one.
The iceskating scene always has been a nuthouse. 🤯
Everyone just liked Nancy Kerrigan because she was pretty and that’s why she was the “American Sweetheart Favorite”.
Omg her screaming why 😂😂😂
I am team Tonya all the way
This was the only thing anyone talked about going into that Olympics. I remember it very well. There's a documentary on it on Netflix that is really interesting for those interested.
Nancy didn’t have shit on Tanya with any moves (triple axel)
Very cool, thank you
Ummmm am I the only one that finds it suspicious the blow to the knee was done just right to not actually cause serious damage?
yeah… just luck right haha… hmm
Wow tonya harding was awesome! That moment when she is using the black pants.... wow 😮😮😮😮😮
Nancy didn't deserve to get hurt but should be thankful it wasn't worse than it was. Tonya had a hard life and was judged for it which is sad since she was the best being the first American to hit the triple axle at competion. Jeff gooly was not a very good guy and Tonya would of been better off without him. Nancy knew what she was doing wearin the same outfit she was hurt in to mess with Tonya. There were no winners in this tragic situation except for figure skating which that year got ALOT more attention bc of this travesty
I don't get this response at all. A tough childhood excuses nothing. Nancy "knew what she was doing" and???? Why in the world should she believe that Tonya had no idea what HER ex-husband was going to do? Why shouldn't she wear what she wanted to?
I love Michelle Kwan. And according to Siri, she’s apparently a diplomat I’m gonna have to look into that.
Amy adams looks like tonya more than margot
We. Get. It.
I keep hearing about this, it it the anniversary or something?
it's because of the film. A lot of people weren't aware of it (even people who are fans of figure-skating)
The anniversary was this past Saturday, January 6th .. 24 yrs ago in Detroit - I was THERE - best week of my life! Total Circus
Idk Nacy could've done this for publicity... Her wearing the dress as a statement seems planned.
The cast from the old movie looked more like the real people.
I love Tonya❤️i don't really care if she did it or not, she was an skilled and amazing performer.
Avideos103 idk if you're kidding but if you're not, choke on a lego
Valentín Alanis Can you skate?
Haikal Danial lolol no why?
Avideos103 calm down you TØP fan
Nothing just asking :)
Why are they announcing the movie on here like its not a few weeks away? LOL
I ❤️ her on World's Dumbest! 😃
Jasmine BeSingle thats really the best thing I know her from
Thank you! I was trying to remember what she was on
Historically Blessed same
How is it that Nancy is STILL salty about this when it was so long ago. It makes me feel no remorse for her and she still blames Tonya for her not getting gold. NO MA'AM YOU GOT THE SCORE YOU DESERVED AND OLYMPIC SILVER IS NOT THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD. Not to mention that you had the judges in your pocket already because you're the marketable image of figure skating. Tonya has the right to be bitter because it was rigged anyway and now she is banned from all competition. THAT is life ruining for her. and yet no, tonya is stil remorseful for the incident.