I always liked this little scene. There isn't much chance in ST to show the kind of genuine ship-handling that real navies have to do all the time. If they had made the smallest mistake, Khelar's pod would have been crushed like an egg. It shows professionalism, technical skill, and teamwork, and the music score added suspense to what could have been merely a throwaway scene.
@@ezdeezytube No, I think either this video was specifically modified or uploaded in a way that makes it louder. (Or they had it loud for this episode to show the ship was going fast - I don't have headphones with me now to listen if it's loud the entire time or just in warp).
I actually use this sound through earphone to cover my neighbours banging so I can sleep. I just imagine on the Enterprise about to die or be interfered with at any given moment.
he said "this is true, but if the transmitters and sensors and life support system installed there would be enough room for 1 person" get your quote right hater
Military ships do this type of thing all the time for underway replenishment. it's called "Relative Motion". If both objects are moving at the exact same speed and course, relatively they are stationary. If you and a friend are walking down the street going the exact same direction at the exact same speed, You can hand objects back and forth without problem. Same principle here.
Thanks for explaining the obvious and completely missing the point. Your analogy is just great except for the tiny fact that you don't bring one ship inside the other with both propulsion systems running flat out. And it would be even more spectacular if those propulsion systems operated by warping the fabric of spacetime itself around them.
@stargazer7644 Not that they didn’t disregard the need again and again later on in the universe, but using the tractor beam before transportation presumably obviates the need for the probe to remain under its own power. First season they were still feeling enthralled with physics and technology rather then encumbered by it.
@@stargazer7644 the probe was glideing only maintaining the warp field. No engine just a field maintainer. The probe and the Enterprise come to same reference, they just simply moved the probe in the warp bubble.
@@Neo-vz8nh You can't "coast" halfway across the galaxy at warp 9. You can't do warp 9 at all without a warp drive. Creating the warp field is what a warp drive does.
I was just thinking that. Starfleet's admiralty really worked their wardrobe designers to death. They were just never happy. Thank god for the Dominion war when everyone just started wearing sweaters over the entire uniform and the admirals could finally have an outfit for more than a month.
After this prompted the production of a Class 9 probe design that carried a life support system, a warp drive and impulse drive, a computer, weapons, and a computer it's what B'elana used to create the Dreadnaught probe which was designed to take out Cardassian targets. It was heavily modified so it was likely made larger than a normal class 9 probe.
@@Neo-vz8nhalso speed dosent matter during transportation original object is disintegrated to matter stream and the reconstituted so technically it is not same object or person and will not carry any movement.
This whole scene was a plot hole/blooper scene.. 1) The probe barely has no visible warp engines/nacelles and barely room for a human, yet it's supposed to have room for a warp core so that it can travel at warp 9️⃣!! 2) And then, regardless of the transporter de/re-materialization process, it's engines/propulsion system was engaged upon transport. I guess we'll just assume they just disengaged the engines during transport 🙄🙄🙄. If not, then upon rematerialization, it should have started making its way through the ship lol. If they did disengage the engines during transport, then it would make more sense to disengage the engines & come to a complete stop before transporting.
never realized the good looking gal next to Data. Was this like a pilot thing where they wanted to see if a hot gal would make the show better? Or was I clueless all these years and never noticed an unknown gal next to Data?
That position was taken by many “bit player” actors through the seasons, usually for just a couple of episodes. Some found more fame later, others left acting. And yeah, a lot of them were pretty appealing.
Some starships at the time couldn't travel at Warp 9 but a probe thats just over two meters long capable of carrying a passenger can? Even as a kid I thought that was dumb and completely unlikely.
Probes (and torpedoes) don't use traditional warp engines, they use sustainer engines that allow them to hold a warp field and thus speed from a launching vessel. If that field is lost, they can't recreate it, nor can they change their speed other than dropping out of warp entirely. A much simplier technology that doesn't require something large and complex like a warp core.
@@user-jt5vm3mi1w Probes use a "Warp Sustainer" that can't generate a warp field, but keeps it from falling apart. That allows it to stay at warp for a long time with very little power draw. On Enterprise, the escape pods have no such "Warp Sustainer", so they will slow to sub-light speeds.
I don't remember the actress's name that was the emissary, but I remember she also played the red-headed female Q on Star Trek Voyager. Also remember that she is deceased....I don't remember what from.
Love that score, wondrous and daring crescendo it perfectly captures this scene . A 2 m class 8 probe at warp 9 the 600m Enterprise pacing it thats like riding alongside a bullet .
Funny how the probe was traveling that fast but the person inside was on his or her side. 🤔 just funny I know in space orientation is what it is but funny 😁 from ground based opinion 😆. Gotta love it.
If by magic and mystery you mean just making @*$& up as you go along and giving zero explanation for it, then sure........ Alot of the "magic" behind the original series was simply stuff that was cheap/easy to produce and it carried over to TNG.
I’m going to accept that this can happen because the probe resembles very much a torpedo and is it possible that this level class of probe is just a modified photon torpedo that is capable of warp nine? Anyway, I’m going to allow it.
In canon, all you need is a ship capable of travelling at Warp 9 that can fire the probe. The probe grabs on to a portion of the warp bubble and sustains it for travel.
in the early 2200s there was a common issue with packages slamming through customer's front door and ruining their houses. Then Amazon made improvements to its interplanetary delivery pods.
Interesting how Starfleet can beam a probe travelling at high warp and without any interference from the tractor beam, and yet can't beam an away team out when there's a bit of dust in the air... 😒
In "The Best of Both Worlds" Chief O'Brien had to do something interesting to Transport at Warp. So, when this Probe materialised, did it fly through the wall?
Sometimes they tell us a weapon is disarmed or a probe deactivated or a pathogen rendered inert. I just assume its the same for this or whatever is in the script to bolster the story.
@@HariSeldon913there is no propulsion? Warp speed is sustained in a warp field/bubble. Once transported , there is no warp field. Just as a ship can come out of warp 9, and stop on a dime instantly. Once out of warp; there is no speed of any kind
The impressive part is that this IS NOT a cryopod. K'Ehleyr was awake while traveling in a coffin-sized shuttle with no control over it. Modern Hollywood needs to remember this style of story telling where you SHOW how a character is instead of telling the audience (and then have the character act the opposite way)
Thatsvsome miniaturization. If the person is small, Letz say 1,60m, then we have only around 40cm^3 left for life support, computer, sensors and the engine (which apparently is faster then most starship). Even for star trek tech that's a bit off the charts
I think the probe should've been longer than two metres as it also had to hold the warp drive unit, navigation and life support plus our own type 48 torpedoes are about 3.8 metres long. The type 93 torpedo from WWII was 9 metres long. Our communication satellites can be as large as 7 metres across with solar panels extending 50 metres so even a ten metres long probe would be more reasonable than a two metre long probe especially given that it was transporting a person as payload.
They dont have navigation nor warp drive, like saucer section they only have warp field sustainer to keep warp field going for limited time so speed and course is provided by ship launching probe. Nevertheless whole operation make no sense they are in federation space traveling from star base not smuggling someone from enemy territory so they could use normal ship.
@@Pedgo1986 Without FTL, what are the chances of an escape pod or the saucer section actually reaching a safe destination like a planet or a moon yet TOS, TNG, Voyager, Deep Space Nine and Enterprise all show survivors reaching such harbour and only Enterprise ever showed survivors stranded in space though one TOS episode showed the Galileo stranded in a temporary planetary orbit after using phaser power to fuel it's presumably sublight drive. I'm suggesting these inconsistencies might be solved if the warp bubble was actually just due to the warp plasma being present and circulated in resonate chambers such as nacelles to sustain a warp field and it was only the matter antimatter reactor with the dilithium regulation that would be required to produce the warp plasma. We know from several episodes that warp plasma can be stored and even transported so this could be similar to fireless steam locomotives where the steam is simply stored in an insulated container with the steam generated by a stationary boiler facility. Fireless steam locomotives were used to move cars around in a rail yard. This would also explain how low warp was achieved before dilithium was found as Earth presumably has no dilithium reserves, the warp plasma could've been made at stationary power plants which would be much larger to either regulate the power of matter antimatter reactions without the use of dilithium or generate enough power from other sources. It would also explain how we saw a shuttle craft chasing the Enterprise at warp in TOS, the shuttle craft shown on Star Trek The Motion Picture was said explicitly to be a warp shuttle craft and was shown separating from it's nacelles but the one that Kirk used to chase Spock in TOS Menagerie was just a stock shuttle craft or at least it was never said or shown to be any different from a stock shuttlecraft. Also, they have shown shuttle crafts searching a Star's planetary system for survivors several times in TOS which would take decades without FTL. Also, it's said that once moving at warp, the saucer section would remain in warp if separated during warp speed so though it may not be able to propel itself at warp, it can sustain the warp bubble. Also our own investigations into the Alcubierre drive separates the warp bubble from the actual propulsion and presumes that some alternate form of conventional propulsion is first needed before the warp bubble is created or some method of propelling the warp bubble after being created which would be problematic as the interior of the bubble is basically a separate pocket of space unable to interact with what's outside the bubble. The White May Alcubierre drive experiment by NASA assumes the warp bubble can be created and shaped by circulating specific exotic matter in a torus. Not requiring the full matter antimatter reactor with dilithium just to maintain warp would address the inconsistencies shown in the TV episodes and the lore problem of warp being discovered on Earth while dilithium has been shown to be mined on other planets but never described as being found or synthesized on Earth. It could also provide limited warp after the burn destroying most dilithium in Discovery. Keep in mind that photon torpedoes and probes do not have matter antimatter reactors or nacelles yet still travel at warp speeds, the probe in TNG was even said to be capable of a specific high warp. Also, the only shuttle crafts that have been explicitly said and shown to have a matter antimatter reactor with dilithium power regulation has been the run about shown in Deep Space Nine and once on TNG and the reactor is shown to be externally mounted on top of the spacecraft.
@@johnwang9914 All i can say to you is download a read official technical guide. I did not created lore and however it is illogical it was creates that way and bended over and over for plot sake like i think saucer section already contain small warp core it just need nacelle even inferior one like freighter for low warp speed, Voyager have two warp cores in schematics one as spare yet they go again and again on suicide mission to save used core and that nose of Defiant is big torpedo :D Nevertheless no matter how entertaining is debating this ultimately it is irrelevant its fictional technology in fictional world we don't have real basis to compare or whatever so we are creating our own fiction to fill gaps in fiction. Also you must compromise between realism and plot going too deep become only confusing for audience. Mi biggest grip story wise is Federation allowing settling planets in DMZ and then everyone is surprised it create friction and problems.
@@Pedgo1986 Sigh the "official technical guide" does not change the fact that a sublight escape pod or shuttle would never reach safe harbour on a distant planet or moon within the lifetime of a human never mind within rations and life support from stored oxygen, scrubbing chemicals and water. Also, the "official technical manual" does not explain how warp drive was developed when dilithium crystals are not found on Earth but mined from distant star systems, presumably with a higher metallic star such as the next generation from our own. I'm just saying they could explain these inconsistencies by saying the warp bubble only needed resonating warp plasma to generate and indeed the "official technical manual" for TNG describes the nacelles as resonating chambers, the TNG, Voyager and Enterprise episodes show warp plasma being stored and transported, our Alcubierre drive theories involve just having exotic materials circulate to produce the warp bubble (the energy costs are in achieving such exotic materials) and we have a precedent in fireless steam locomotives. As to dilithoum crystals, the TOS episodes and their "official" technical manual also state that dilithium crystals are just to regulate the immense energies of matter antimatter reactions. My postulations takes all the "official technical manuals" into account and is simply how the "lore" could be extended to explain the inconsistencies. Keep in mind that the "technical manuals" and much of the lore are created retroactively often by writers other than the ones introducing the inconsistencies and sometimes before yet other writers inadvertently introduce other inconsistencies. I'm not saying that my postulates would be followed by future writers or was what was intended by previous writers, I'm just saying this is a way it could fit together with what we've seen on screen so far. The fact that you just want to ignore the inconsistencies just show how little you want to consider the inconsistencies that have already arrived and is more a comment on you and your comprehension or lack thereof of current science. Yes, in fiction, you sometimes have to just hand wave the inconsistencies aside, I'm just saying that many (almost all in Star Trek) do not have to just be ignored as inconsolable.
Time was of the essence. The longer the old Klingon ship traveled assuming they were still in the past, the higher the risk of an incident. If someone else knew about it, the odds of setting off a chain reaction of misunderstandings drastically went up. Such misunderstandings could cause intergalactic diplomatic nightmares for years depending on who was involved.
@@katherinkeegan8601 wow! Very well put! Thank you! Ive never met a girl Trekkie before. Tbh I thought they only existed in the imagination of lonely men lol
@@dmale79 I am an original Trekkie. 🙂 I was just entering school when we landed on the moon. My family and I watched the show and the first reruns helping to keep the show alive. I watched the original showing of the animated series. I went to my first convention in 1984. I don't know how rare we are, but if you want to find us I suggest going to a convention near you.😉
This scene touches on one of the BIGGEST problems with transporting at warp in trek... Or any velocity for that matter. That probe is traveling at warp 9, when they transport it, its STILL moving at warp 9. So when it rematerializes it's kinetic force is coming along for the ride. It should blow up both ships. This is why people have to be standing still on transporter pads and why transporting a moving object is tricky. Never mind something traveling almost 8000 times the speed of light! It was only when scotty (Old scotty after coming out of transporter stasis on the dyson sphere) Came up with the transwarp theory (which spock then brought to the JJ abrahms trekverse and gave to young scotty) That allowed for transporting objects at warp onto another object also traveling at warp. By all rights this menuver should be impossible until after the generations movie which is around the time scotty figured out the equation, likely met spock to greive over kirks death and gave the equation to spock.
Frame of reference. Yes, the probe is moving at X speed. However the Enterpise is ALSO traveling at X speed in the same direction (thus the tractor beam). In reference to EACH OTHER the speed is zero.
IIRC the vessel travelling at warp is not moving in the conventional sense like that, due to expanding space in front and behind it. Since the science is impossible and made up, it doesn't make sense to try to apply logic to it
@@xellestar Actually, the science is all too real. Look up Miguel Alcubierre - he worked backwards from on-screen mathematical equations in Star Trek TNG to verify that the warp drive does in fact check out mathematically, and theoretically. We just need the proper amount of energy (the requirements are huge) and we can make it function identically to the fictional version in Star Trek.
@@MiningForPies Would it though? Not without the transporter reconfiguring the probe on rematerialisation right? Assuming Alcubierre and Harold White's theories are applied in star trek a warp field is created through positive and negative energy creating expansion of space behind the craft and reduction of space in front of it. So whatever systems were producing this field in the probe would have to stop operating immediately after transport.
@@guidosalescalvano9862 the probe didn’t have warp engines and wasn’t able to create its own field. It was sent out at warp. Once the field generated by sending (not explained) was collapsed the probe has no way of re creating it.
Photon torpedoes (and probe classes that use their design as a base like the 8, amongst others) use a warp sustainer engine. The torpedo itself is not capable of generating warp thrust but can sustain a field, meaning that when they are launched, they maintain the warp velocity of the vessel which launched them.
Laugh at it once then read 1) It is a fiction, these kind of fancy terms sound good. 2) 360 is maximum degree, not coordinates. You need something more than just the angle to locate a precise position, with just the angle max you can get vector to the position. 3) Even for vector, 360 will give only in 2-D, in 3D you need 2 angles (eg azimuth and elevation, both can be 360,360)
You would need all the energy in the universe to propel something the size of a car at the speed of light.. now imagine something weighing tens of thousands of tons moving around 8000 times faster than light.. unfortunately, this will be forever science fiction.
They have shown before that tractor beams can somewhat cancel out the effects of a warp drive and additionally warp drives wont even engage in confined spaces with an atmosphere due to not being able to make a stable warp field
The probe has no propulsion system. It has a system to "sustain the momentum" it was launched with in the void of space... generating a warp field. That momentum is negated by the tractor beam. So when it was beamed on board... it had no momentum.
It never made any sense that these probes can go at warp speed, or any of the shuttles for that matter. So much attention to detail, but this they just ignored.
They actually had an explanation for this at some point. If the launcher of the probe created the warp bubble, it was possible for the probe (or torpedo, which was seen much more often) to maintain the warp bubble for a certain period of time. Otherwise, probes could only move at sublight, and then what is the point of having probes? Faster to wait until you had a ship available.
@@danielmccurdy862 They had a different explanation for this in Beta Canon. Per the Starfleet Academy game, probes (at least in the 23rd century when SFA takes place) are simply photon torpedoes with the warhead removed and an instrumentation package installed. Torpedoes contain their own micro-warp drives and are entirely self-propelled, including firing them while either at warp, or while the host ship was at sublight.
Torpedoes and Probes contain a minimized "floating" propulsion system. It can't generate it's own warp field but it can maintain travel through one generated by the launch vehicle. It's a stupid official explanation, but there it is.
The point I was trying to make is that every universe has certain limitations; it is part of the fun, forcing the main characters to find other ways to solve a problem. But with regard to FTL torpedoes, shuttles and probes, the writers just decided, "nah, we are too lazy; we'll just use technobabble." _
@@pwnmeisterage Actually, that has basis in reality. Some early guided missiles and even space rockets used "sustainer" engines to continue to power them at speed after launch after their booster stages separated. Notable missiles which used this included the sea-launched Talos missiles and the Atlas series of ICBMs, which also served as satellite launch platforms in the early days of NASA. Talos's sustainer was an air-breathing ramjet, while the Atlas series used a second rocket motor as their sustainer. So it's not as stupid as you believe. It's actually quite highly realistic.
What happens if you are traveling in a probe at warp 9 and you have to pee? Your emissions into space would cause you to move off course and one day when the pee continued and ran into a ship at that speed - well let’s just say that would be a pisser!
I always liked this little scene. There isn't much chance in ST to show the kind of genuine ship-handling that real navies have to do all the time. If they had made the smallest mistake, Khelar's pod would have been crushed like an egg. It shows professionalism, technical skill, and teamwork, and the music score added suspense to what could have been merely a throwaway scene.
Yah it looks cool. On a ship that sophisticated with such a complex maneuver it’s likely the computer did most of the work.
I saw this when it aired. It was so out of the norm it really lended a lot of gravity and importance.
@@Ken-fh4jc Good point; usually it is just a swoosh with the transporter when the bring a new face aboard.
uh....Something tells me you don't understand computers....or at least not ones from the 2300's
Anyone else listen to this clip with headphones on. The background engine noise is loud! Maybe b/c they're supposed to be going high speed
Was the ship ambient noise always this loud? This is the first time Ive felt the bass in my skull
@@ezdeezytube No, I think either this video was specifically modified or uploaded in a way that makes it louder. (Or they had it loud for this episode to show the ship was going fast - I don't have headphones with me now to listen if it's loud the entire time or just in warp).
The thundering sound...like the interstellar....oh never mind.
Me Too!!!!!😮😮😮
Yes but i listened to it in my van and the base was amazing felt Luke been on the ship😊
Who left the window open when travelling at warp? I can hear the wind noise buffeting.
If you're joking, that's a really bad joke.
you're not serious, are you? That's the "engine noise" on the show, it's like in every scene on the ship
@@GraemeGunnBut here it seems to be amplified. Pretty annoying with a good in-ear headset.
Tyre noise?
There's definitely a rumble. The Enterprise needs a new muffler.
@@GraemeGunnit's not. Heard the same on a separate video, still there when the ship dropped from warp.
This is the perfect video to watch while having a pounding headache.
are you me?
Sugar honey iced tea
Seriously - wtf did they do to the sound?
I actually use this sound through earphone to cover my neighbours banging so I can sleep. I just imagine on the Enterprise about to die or be interfered with at any given moment.
I think someone added the noise to try and fool the great RUclips Gods. As it doesn’t seem to affect the dialog.
Her entrance was just as magnificent as her exit!
Who's "her"?
@@GraemeGunn Federation Emissary K'Ehleyr!
Riker: A Class 8 probe? That's only about two meeters long!
Picard: That's no bigger than a womp rat!
Impossible, even for a computer.
@@kev3d Not impossible. Deanna used to bullseye womp rats back on Betazed.
he said "this is true, but if the transmitters and sensors and life support system installed there would be enough room for 1 person"
get your quote right hater
Womp rats!? Those motherfukkers are gonna destroy all his lilies!
@edeide2240 it's easy to bullseye a womprat when you crash a galaxy class ship's saucer section into it.
Military ships do this type of thing all the time for underway replenishment. it's called "Relative Motion". If both objects are moving at the exact same speed and course, relatively they are stationary. If you and a friend are walking down the street going the exact same direction at the exact same speed, You can hand objects back and forth without problem. Same principle here.
And this is the cause of a bunch of accidents cos most of these assholes don't think about an application of Bernoulli's Law in ships navigation.
Thanks for explaining the obvious and completely missing the point. Your analogy is just great except for the tiny fact that you don't bring one ship inside the other with both propulsion systems running flat out. And it would be even more spectacular if those propulsion systems operated by warping the fabric of spacetime itself around them.
@stargazer7644
Not that they didn’t disregard the need again and again later on in the universe, but using the tractor beam before transportation presumably obviates the need for the probe to remain under its own power. First season they were still feeling enthralled with physics and technology rather then encumbered by it.
@@stargazer7644 the probe was glideing only maintaining the warp field. No engine just a field maintainer. The probe and the Enterprise come to same reference, they just simply moved the probe in the warp bubble.
@@Neo-vz8nh You can't "coast" halfway across the galaxy at warp 9. You can't do warp 9 at all without a warp drive. Creating the warp field is what a warp drive does.
Love the score in this scene and in first three seasons! Ron Jones is awesome!
I couldnt hear half of it, with all that bass.
@@RenneDanjoule Seriously, I think my subwoofer was knocking things off shelves three houses away. LOL!
That's strange because if there was one thing that I always hated about the next generation is the music.
Yes
@@laff000why if I may ask?
Trek really needed more of these "ship to ship (or probe)" interactions
It was a fantastic moment when they finally decided on an admiral's uniform
I was just thinking that. Starfleet's admiralty really worked their wardrobe designers to death. They were just never happy. Thank god for the Dominion war when everyone just started wearing sweaters over the entire uniform and the admirals could finally have an outfit for more than a month.
Can we get Seven of Nine to have a head-to-head match of Parrises Squares with the hellooooo-helmsman at 00:12
The best Scify show of the 90's.
After this prompted the production of a Class 9 probe design that carried a life support system, a warp drive and impulse drive, a computer, weapons, and a computer it's what B'elana used to create the Dreadnaught probe which was designed to take out Cardassian targets. It was heavily modified so it was likely made larger than a normal class 9 probe.
Class 10 came with a holodeck, ten forward, berthing for a 1,000, 2 shuttle bays and shuttles, photon torpedoes, medical facilities, cargo bays.....
What? No inertial dampeners? Hate to squeeze the paste out of that particular probe sized tube...
Padding on the walls
@@MostlyPennyCatBAHAHAHA NICE!!!!!
@@MostlyPennyCat lol, of course! My bad : )
Funny if it materialized and then took off through the bulkhead at warp 9!
That was on the blooper reel I believe.
Frame of reference. They go at the same speed, so the probe is at rest to the Enterprise.
@@Neo-vz8nhalso speed dosent matter during transportation original object is disintegrated to matter stream and the reconstituted so technically it is not same object or person and will not carry any movement.
This whole scene was a plot hole/blooper scene..
1) The probe barely has no visible warp engines/nacelles and barely room for a human, yet it's supposed to have room for a warp core so that it can travel at warp 9️⃣!!
2) And then, regardless of the transporter de/re-materialization process, it's engines/propulsion system was engaged upon transport.
I guess we'll just assume they just disengaged the engines during transport 🙄🙄🙄.
If not, then upon rematerialization, it should have started making its way through the ship lol.
If they did disengage the engines during transport, then it would make more sense to disengage the engines & come to a complete stop before transporting.
I think they stopped just short of a great moment & line!😢
That bird is stacked
Haha underrated comment.
@@sarcasticguy4311 Thank you. lol
The helmswoman later commaned a SHIELD HEICARRIER IN THE 21st CENTURY...(fills both uniforms nicely too )
Two weeks at warp 8 is 20 light years. There are ~113stars within 20 light years of Earth.
How come they dont collect starlight and store it in a big ball
@@kinbolluck476 More inefficient than the Nacelle's matter/anti matter fusion engine or the warp core's it self
never realized the good looking gal next to Data. Was this like a pilot thing where they wanted to see if a hot gal would make the show better? Or was I clueless all these years and never noticed an unknown gal next to Data?
That’s Anne Ramsey as ensign Clancy. Only two episodes with her.
That position was taken by many “bit player” actors through the seasons, usually for just a couple of episodes. Some found more fame later, others left acting.
And yeah, a lot of them were pretty appealing.
They certainly had to make a uniform with a special cut for her.
My God, The BASS!!! It was literally shaking my house and windows!!! and I didn't even have it up that loud. smh
Some starships at the time couldn't travel at Warp 9 but a probe thats just over two meters long capable of carrying a passenger can? Even as a kid I thought that was dumb and completely unlikely.
Torpedoes can probably travel faster than a submarine.
Probes (and torpedoes) don't use traditional warp engines, they use sustainer engines that allow them to hold a warp field and thus speed from a launching vessel. If that field is lost, they can't recreate it, nor can they change their speed other than dropping out of warp entirely. A much simplier technology that doesn't require something large and complex like a warp core.
Missiles travel faster than jet fighters. Mass matters. It's much easier to accelerate a smaller mass.
Probably got fired out of a ship already at Warp 9 or something I guess? its space so it wont slow down unless something makes it.
@@user-jt5vm3mi1w Probes use a "Warp Sustainer" that can't generate a warp field, but keeps it from falling apart. That allows it to stay at warp for a long time with very little power draw. On Enterprise, the escape pods have no such "Warp Sustainer", so they will slow to sub-light speeds.
2:36 Why, that's not much bigger than a womprat
When they open the probe on the transporter platform, I would have loved for Pee Wee Herman to pop up and shout "Tequila"! (RIP)...
I don't remember the actress's name that was the emissary, but I remember she also played the red-headed female Q on Star Trek Voyager. Also remember that she is deceased....I don't remember what from.
There's a booming in this video.
I thought that was the from the mic of the Ensign picking up her fingers tapping on the console surface.
Dammit, Data! Just roll up the windows and turn on the AC!
Love that score, wondrous and daring crescendo it perfectly captures this scene .
A 2 m class 8 probe at warp 9 the 600m Enterprise pacing it thats like riding alongside a bullet .
Looks like the tic tac UFOs 🤣🤣
Funny how the probe was traveling that fast but the person inside was on his or her side. 🤔 just funny I know in space orientation is what it is but funny 😁 from ground based opinion 😆. Gotta love it.
Her. It was K'Ehleyr. Eventually to become Worf's baby mama.
She was traveling on her back.
@@ensignmjs7058 And was later on her back for other reasons.
Ender Wiggins: the gate is down.
Not sure what’s funny about that?
Oh crap, the probe is still moving at warp 9!! *blows a hole through the ship*
Nothing can beat the magic and mystery of Star Trek TNG ❤
If by magic and mystery you mean just making @*$& up as you go along and giving zero explanation for it, then sure........ Alot of the "magic" behind the original series was simply stuff that was cheap/easy to produce and it carried over to TNG.
I’m going to accept that this can happen because the probe resembles very much a torpedo and is it possible that this level class of probe is just a modified photon torpedo that is capable of warp nine?
Anyway, I’m going to allow it.
In canon, all you need is a ship capable of travelling at Warp 9 that can fire the probe. The probe grabs on to a portion of the warp bubble and sustains it for travel.
@@SoranoGuardias since I’m terrible at science fiction math I’m gonna accept your explanation👍🏼
😊
I'm going to accept it cause its fantasy.
@@TheOriginalWB Clearly, you haven't seen Galaxy Ques.. shame on you!
nice and slowly, love it.
Vice Admiral Gromek could pass for Kai Winn.
A warp coffin. We all knew it was goofy.
Amazon Prime were fast even back then
in the early 2200s there was a common issue with packages slamming through customer's front door and ruining their houses. Then Amazon made improvements to its interplanetary delivery pods.
"So, am I flying Business Class?"
"No."
"So, Coach?"
"Probe class."
Interesting how Starfleet can beam a probe travelling at high warp and without any interference from the tractor beam, and yet can't beam an away team out when there's a bit of dust in the air... 😒
1:25 back when they couldnt quite decide on admiral uniform
Thank you
Lay in course and wow!
2 Mad About You actresses appeared in this episode.
1 is at the helm.
The other is Worf's ex... her billing was on-screen in this clip.
Anne Ramsay and Susie Plakson
Love that will start the next generation series on Netflix.
In "The Best of Both Worlds" Chief O'Brien had to do something interesting to Transport at Warp. So, when this Probe materialised, did it fly through the wall?
Sometimes they tell us a weapon is disarmed or a probe deactivated or a pathogen rendered inert. I just assume its the same for this or whatever is in the script to bolster the story.
@@TheOriginalWB They still should have said it and it would only have taken a couple of seconds. "Disabling propulsion" is all that was needed.
@@HariSeldon913there is no propulsion? Warp speed is sustained in a warp field/bubble. Once transported , there is no warp field. Just as a ship can come out of warp 9, and stop on a dime instantly. Once out of warp; there is no speed of any kind
That is one way to bring a cryopod aboard now they need to open it quick and revive K'Ehleyr before she runs out of air.
The impressive part is that this IS NOT a cryopod.
K'Ehleyr was awake while traveling in a coffin-sized shuttle with no control over it.
Modern Hollywood needs to remember this style of story telling where you SHOW how a character is instead of telling the audience (and then have the character act the opposite way)
that calling women 'sir' bit ... really grates
Que le costaba a la almirante decirle todo en la oficina del capitán!!! Jajajaja!
Thatsvsome miniaturization.
If the person is small, Letz say 1,60m, then we have only around 40cm^3 left for life support, computer, sensors and the engine (which apparently is faster then most starship).
Even for star trek tech that's a bit off the charts
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And here we are today with Navy air pilots chasing UAP's that also look like pills.
Who knew it was so windy in space...
Donuts! We need donuts!
Starfleet, why doesn’t the envoy have donuts?!
0:06 Nice!
The probe was filled with pizza😊
So what if you need to pee?
Its....its......Mrs Q!!
I think the probe should've been longer than two metres as it also had to hold the warp drive unit, navigation and life support plus our own type 48 torpedoes are about 3.8 metres long. The type 93 torpedo from WWII was 9 metres long. Our communication satellites can be as large as 7 metres across with solar panels extending 50 metres so even a ten metres long probe would be more reasonable than a two metre long probe especially given that it was transporting a person as payload.
They dont have navigation nor warp drive, like saucer section they only have warp field sustainer to keep warp field going for limited time so speed and course is provided by ship launching probe. Nevertheless whole operation make no sense they are in federation space traveling from star base not smuggling someone from enemy territory so they could use normal ship.
@@Pedgo1986 Without FTL, what are the chances of an escape pod or the saucer section actually reaching a safe destination like a planet or a moon yet TOS, TNG, Voyager, Deep Space Nine and Enterprise all show survivors reaching such harbour and only Enterprise ever showed survivors stranded in space though one TOS episode showed the Galileo stranded in a temporary planetary orbit after using phaser power to fuel it's presumably sublight drive. I'm suggesting these inconsistencies might be solved if the warp bubble was actually just due to the warp plasma being present and circulated in resonate chambers such as nacelles to sustain a warp field and it was only the matter antimatter reactor with the dilithium regulation that would be required to produce the warp plasma. We know from several episodes that warp plasma can be stored and even transported so this could be similar to fireless steam locomotives where the steam is simply stored in an insulated container with the steam generated by a stationary boiler facility. Fireless steam locomotives were used to move cars around in a rail yard. This would also explain how low warp was achieved before dilithium was found as Earth presumably has no dilithium reserves, the warp plasma could've been made at stationary power plants which would be much larger to either regulate the power of matter antimatter reactions without the use of dilithium or generate enough power from other sources. It would also explain how we saw a shuttle craft chasing the Enterprise at warp in TOS, the shuttle craft shown on Star Trek The Motion Picture was said explicitly to be a warp shuttle craft and was shown separating from it's nacelles but the one that Kirk used to chase Spock in TOS Menagerie was just a stock shuttle craft or at least it was never said or shown to be any different from a stock shuttlecraft. Also, they have shown shuttle crafts searching a Star's planetary system for survivors several times in TOS which would take decades without FTL. Also, it's said that once moving at warp, the saucer section would remain in warp if separated during warp speed so though it may not be able to propel itself at warp, it can sustain the warp bubble. Also our own investigations into the Alcubierre drive separates the warp bubble from the actual propulsion and presumes that some alternate form of conventional propulsion is first needed before the warp bubble is created or some method of propelling the warp bubble after being created which would be problematic as the interior of the bubble is basically a separate pocket of space unable to interact with what's outside the bubble. The White May Alcubierre drive experiment by NASA assumes the warp bubble can be created and shaped by circulating specific exotic matter in a torus. Not requiring the full matter antimatter reactor with dilithium just to maintain warp would address the inconsistencies shown in the TV episodes and the lore problem of warp being discovered on Earth while dilithium has been shown to be mined on other planets but never described as being found or synthesized on Earth. It could also provide limited warp after the burn destroying most dilithium in Discovery. Keep in mind that photon torpedoes and probes do not have matter antimatter reactors or nacelles yet still travel at warp speeds, the probe in TNG was even said to be capable of a specific high warp. Also, the only shuttle crafts that have been explicitly said and shown to have a matter antimatter reactor with dilithium power regulation has been the run about shown in Deep Space Nine and once on TNG and the reactor is shown to be externally mounted on top of the spacecraft.
@@johnwang9914 All i can say to you is download a read official technical guide. I did not created lore and however it is illogical it was creates that way and bended over and over for plot sake like i think saucer section already contain small warp core it just need nacelle even inferior one like freighter for low warp speed, Voyager have two warp cores in schematics one as spare yet they go again and again on suicide mission to save used core and that nose of Defiant is big torpedo :D Nevertheless no matter how entertaining is debating this ultimately it is irrelevant its fictional technology in fictional world we don't have real basis to compare or whatever so we are creating our own fiction to fill gaps in fiction. Also you must compromise between realism and plot going too deep become only confusing for audience. Mi biggest grip story wise is Federation allowing settling planets in DMZ and then everyone is surprised it create friction and problems.
@@Pedgo1986 Sigh the "official technical guide" does not change the fact that a sublight escape pod or shuttle would never reach safe harbour on a distant planet or moon within the lifetime of a human never mind within rations and life support from stored oxygen, scrubbing chemicals and water. Also, the "official technical manual" does not explain how warp drive was developed when dilithium crystals are not found on Earth but mined from distant star systems, presumably with a higher metallic star such as the next generation from our own. I'm just saying they could explain these inconsistencies by saying the warp bubble only needed resonating warp plasma to generate and indeed the "official technical manual" for TNG describes the nacelles as resonating chambers, the TNG, Voyager and Enterprise episodes show warp plasma being stored and transported, our Alcubierre drive theories involve just having exotic materials circulate to produce the warp bubble (the energy costs are in achieving such exotic materials) and we have a precedent in fireless steam locomotives. As to dilithoum crystals, the TOS episodes and their "official" technical manual also state that dilithium crystals are just to regulate the immense energies of matter antimatter reactions. My postulations takes all the "official technical manuals" into account and is simply how the "lore" could be extended to explain the inconsistencies. Keep in mind that the "technical manuals" and much of the lore are created retroactively often by writers other than the ones introducing the inconsistencies and sometimes before yet other writers inadvertently introduce other inconsistencies. I'm not saying that my postulates would be followed by future writers or was what was intended by previous writers, I'm just saying this is a way it could fit together with what we've seen on screen so far. The fact that you just want to ignore the inconsistencies just show how little you want to consider the inconsistencies that have already arrived and is more a comment on you and your comprehension or lack thereof of current science. Yes, in fiction, you sometimes have to just hand wave the inconsistencies aside, I'm just saying that many (almost all in Star Trek) do not have to just be ignored as inconsolable.
How come no one is commenting about 2 fields interconnecting. Or teleporting a active warp field into a ship?
God damn! Don't watch this with headphones on, the warp engines are so loud the bass alone is like a concert.
Who was that helmswoman with the huge knockers? She got my Class 8 wanting to probe. Shield are up, if you know what I mean.
A tractor beam at warp 9? Are you crazy!
Only combine Talent of La Forge and O'Brian can accomplished that 😅
Sounds like the person who posted this video had a fan on.
background sound is heavy 👍
I'm guessing the noise is meant to distort the copyright creepers
Knowing what their mission was, I don't understand why it's so secretive
Time was of the essence. The longer the old Klingon ship traveled assuming they were still in the past, the higher the risk of an incident.
If someone else knew about it, the odds of setting off a chain reaction of misunderstandings drastically went up. Such misunderstandings could cause intergalactic diplomatic nightmares for years depending on who was involved.
@@katherinkeegan8601 wow! Very well put! Thank you! Ive never met a girl Trekkie before. Tbh I thought they only existed in the imagination of lonely men lol
@@dmale79 I am an original Trekkie. 🙂 I was just entering school when we landed on the moon. My family and I watched the show and the first reruns helping to keep the show alive. I watched the original showing of the animated series. I went to my first convention in 1984.
I don't know how rare we are, but if you want to find us I suggest going to a convention near you.😉
I don't have a probe of any class but I know that conn officer has at least class 8 I'd like to probe
You're right about one thing. You have no class.
how are they able to fit a warp 9 engine in a photon torpedo casing but not a shuttlecraft
Wouldn't the probe still be travelling at warp after transporting it aboard?
That would be fun.
So you're telling me that tiny probe has a warp core & engines that allow it to travel at warp 9️⃣!! 🤨🤨
This scene touches on one of the BIGGEST problems with transporting at warp in trek... Or any velocity for that matter. That probe is traveling at warp 9, when they transport it, its STILL moving at warp 9. So when it rematerializes it's kinetic force is coming along for the ride. It should blow up both ships. This is why people have to be standing still on transporter pads and why transporting a moving object is tricky. Never mind something traveling almost 8000 times the speed of light! It was only when scotty (Old scotty after coming out of transporter stasis on the dyson sphere) Came up with the transwarp theory (which spock then brought to the JJ abrahms trekverse and gave to young scotty) That allowed for transporting objects at warp onto another object also traveling at warp. By all rights this menuver should be impossible until after the generations movie which is around the time scotty figured out the equation, likely met spock to greive over kirks death and gave the equation to spock.
Frame of reference. Yes, the probe is moving at X speed. However the Enterpise is ALSO traveling at X speed in the same direction (thus the tractor beam). In reference to EACH OTHER the speed is zero.
IIRC the vessel travelling at warp is not moving in the conventional sense like that, due to expanding space in front and behind it. Since the science is impossible and made up, it doesn't make sense to try to apply logic to it
Plus when they initiated the tractor beam it was at a speed relative to the Enterprise and in effect, stopped.
@@xellestar Actually, the science is all too real. Look up Miguel Alcubierre - he worked backwards from on-screen mathematical equations in Star Trek TNG to verify that the warp drive does in fact check out mathematically, and theoretically.
We just need the proper amount of energy (the requirements are huge) and we can make it function identically to the fictional version in Star Trek.
@@mrchilli5618 Indeed.
Wouldn't the tidal forces of the warp field of the probe rip the enterprise apart when they beamed it aboard?
No. The warp field would have collapsed the moment the probe was transported.
@@MiningForPies Would it though? Not without the transporter reconfiguring the probe on rematerialisation right? Assuming Alcubierre and Harold White's theories are applied in star trek a warp field is created through positive and negative energy creating expansion of space behind the craft and reduction of space in front of it. So whatever systems were producing this field in the probe would have to stop operating immediately after transport.
@@guidosalescalvano9862 the probe didn’t have warp engines and wasn’t able to create its own field. It was sent out at warp. Once the field generated by sending (not explained) was collapsed the probe has no way of re creating it.
@@MiningForPies Essentially like a gravitational wave?
No.
What? No inertial dampeners? Hate to squeeze the paste out of that particular probe sized tube...
Launch a Class 8 Probe.
Also, load all the garbage on it. We haven't been to Space Dock in a month.
Is that Ensign Gomez that shows up in Lower Decks recently? Her face is slightly familiar, like a recurring extra
Warp 9 without a warp core 😂 love it
Photon torpedoes (and probe classes that use their design as a base like the 8, amongst others) use a warp sustainer engine. The torpedo itself is not capable of generating warp thrust but can sustain a field, meaning that when they are launched, they maintain the warp velocity of the vessel which launched them.
@@michaelhorne8366 nerd
@@michaelhorne8366or the starbase that launched them as in this case?
They had a really big rubber band and slingshot.
@@michaelhorne8366 Do no make more sense at all...😂
I sure hope they remembered to disengage the probe's warp engines before beaming it aboard. 😬😬😬
so when they slow down is the probe still going warp 9?
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If the Enterprise was already alongside the probe and matched course & speed, them WHY engage tracor beam just to beam it aboard??? 🤨🤨🤨🤔🤔🤔
Why did they have to use the tractor beam when they couldve just beamed her out directly?
I assume space probe travelling is not 1st class accommodation for a Federation envoy? 😂
I hope she didn't have to use the ladies' room.
@@kev3d Yes, needing to pee and poo in a cramped space probe would be inconvenient. I assume future space people still need to piss and shit? 🤔
@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 They still eat, so I assume the other holds true too.
@@kev3d 😂🖖💯
Who is the helmsman? She was rocking eye candy. ~Brian
Coordinates 423? 360 is the top number for coordinates, because 360 degrees makes a full circle.
Laugh at it once then read 1) It is a fiction, these kind of fancy terms sound good. 2) 360 is maximum degree, not coordinates. You need something more than just the angle to locate a precise position, with just the angle max you can get vector to the position. 3) Even for vector, 360 will give only in 2-D, in 3D you need 2 angles (eg azimuth and elevation, both can be 360,360)
It was Ensign Mariner
Season 2 written during the WGA thing.
You would need all the energy in the universe to propel something the size of a car at the speed of light.. now imagine something weighing tens of thousands of tons moving around 8000 times faster than light.. unfortunately, this will be forever science fiction.
I think the probe would be smaller in perspective to the Enterprise.
Should have had Dr. Crusher do the tractor beam...
The Class 8 Probe looks like a coffin.
Like traveling in your own coffin.
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If the probe was travelling at Warp Speed, why when it was beamed aboard the Enterprise did it not continue at Warp and rip through the ship.
They have shown before that tractor beams can somewhat cancel out the effects of a warp drive and additionally warp drives wont even engage in confined spaces with an atmosphere due to not being able to make a stable warp field
Because that's how the script was written
Glad the probe didn't continue to warp through the transporter room.
The probe has no propulsion system.
It has a system to "sustain the momentum" it was launched with in the void of space... generating a warp field.
That momentum is negated by the tractor beam.
So when it was beamed on board... it had no momentum.
@@varianschirmer9375 Thanks for pointing this out. Makes sense, and I absolutely missed it.
How disappointing to cut it off at that point in the video
What's in the box!?
It never made any sense that these probes can go at warp speed, or any of the shuttles for that matter. So much attention to detail, but this they just ignored.
They actually had an explanation for this at some point. If the launcher of the probe created the warp bubble, it was possible for the probe (or torpedo, which was seen much more often) to maintain the warp bubble for a certain period of time. Otherwise, probes could only move at sublight, and then what is the point of having probes? Faster to wait until you had a ship available.
@@danielmccurdy862 They had a different explanation for this in Beta Canon. Per the Starfleet Academy game, probes (at least in the 23rd century when SFA takes place) are simply photon torpedoes with the warhead removed and an instrumentation package installed.
Torpedoes contain their own micro-warp drives and are entirely self-propelled, including firing them while either at warp, or while the host ship was at sublight.
Torpedoes and Probes contain a minimized "floating" propulsion system. It can't generate it's own warp field but it can maintain travel through one generated by the launch vehicle. It's a stupid official explanation, but there it is.
The point I was trying to make is that every universe has certain limitations; it is part of the fun, forcing the main characters to find other ways to solve a problem. But with regard to FTL torpedoes, shuttles and probes, the writers just decided, "nah, we are too lazy; we'll just use technobabble."
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@@pwnmeisterage Actually, that has basis in reality.
Some early guided missiles and even space rockets used "sustainer" engines to continue to power them at speed after launch after their booster stages separated. Notable missiles which used this included the sea-launched Talos missiles and the Atlas series of ICBMs, which also served as satellite launch platforms in the early days of NASA.
Talos's sustainer was an air-breathing ramjet, while the Atlas series used a second rocket motor as their sustainer.
So it's not as stupid as you believe. It's actually quite highly realistic.
No starships available at a starbase? Not even a shuttle??? 🤨🤨
Dammit what was in the probe?!
Just one lift or just for upper deck users?
What happens if you are traveling in a probe at warp 9 and you have to pee? Your emissions into space would cause you to move off course and one day when the pee continued and ran into a ship at that speed - well let’s just say that would be a pisser!
The velocity inside the warp bubble isn't very fast. Once the pee left the warp bubble it would slow way down and just evaporate.
@@quinton1661 Evaporate? In space?