This is really good to know. I have been away from the biking scene for the last 7 years, but I am currently researching bike companies for my next enduro bike, and piecing together parts I would like to have on the bike. I have noticed that there are so many new components, so many different component names, and finding this transmission thing has been all new to me, and to be honest, a little bit confusing. But I know the SRAM transmission is something I would like to have, as I see my new bike as something I don't really want to upgrade for the life of the bike, unless I have to. The price difference between the GX and the XX transmission from SRAM is pretty significant, so its really good to know that the GX system performs just as good as the XX version. My enduro bike will be ridden 95% downhill, so weight in grams does not matter to me.
Don't buy that crap. It's not worth it especially if you go 95% dh.if it has to be electric, go for the old gx. Otherwise a normal gx or even an nx system is fine and if you fuck it up, its 60-90€ for a derailleur vs 100 for a chain alone on the transmission systems
I follow the law of diminishing returns, if you've no budget, go for the best, but dont be fooled into thinking the ratio of cost to improvement is linear
I do like the way Sram located the battery in the GX it gives me a better sense of my battery not falling off, and it makes the system look more compact. I do have the old GX AXS in one bike and the new GX transmission in my E-bike and honestly both systems work just fine!!
Great vid thanks Rob. Just been looking at this kit, so nice to see it all laid out like this. I'd be an XO type of guy as would want all black on the build
Would love to see an 11 or even 10 speed version of the beefier transmission design for e-bikes. 12 speed seems like a waste and the chains break easier... but that derailleur looks strong!
I'm using almost anything as cheap as possible, but went for XO chain, because in my case - it really lasts twice as long as other counterparts. Maybe it's because I don't really clean or lube the chain as often as I should and I ride in winters as well.... but, this is how it works in my case.
@@hannes6114 XO shown in tests to last longer than any other SRAM 12-sp chain. i cannot believe the difference when compared to using GX-level (whatever they are call) chains - probably 3X or more longer on my bike (riding in a variety of conditions but mostly dry).
I’ll say this…I rode two S works back to back yesterday. One had an X01 Axs and the other had a GX transmission. The transmission was hands down the better feeling drivetrain. Hardly felt a weight difference as the bikes are ridiculously light. SRAM nailed the transmission line. That bring said, I’d probably go middle of the road with the X0 transmission to save a little weight just to say it saved weight. Buy once cry once. 🤷🏼♂️🙌🏼
Works for me , I’d go for the cheapest gx model even if I had £1800 to spend , as I not a fan of the silver on the pricier versions , Rob does the new drive trains really out perform the old axs which I have atm
I got to use gearboxes even electric gearboxes with electronic shifting that's the future you show just antique Technik cheers from Bali I cycle since 1970 daily
The thing that I noticed the most was the weight of the cassette and the derailleur out back there over a standard setup pn analog bike. I don’t really think you need 12 speeds on an E-bike but I could be wrong ,it seems like a 9or 10 speed would be stronger and cheaper.
The clutch on the old GX AXS was horrible and caused a lot of chain slap, assuming there is no difference in the clutch compared to the XX and XO this definitely seems like the better option. The hardest test is seeing what they are like long term. SRAM talks about the durability of these new drivetrains, time will only tell i guess.
But it wasn't so much the clutch (yes it's a bit weak), its the fact that the whole DR flops around as there is no cable housing anymore to hold it in place.
Great heads up on the weights, etc! I have Park Tools scales for components and complete bikes and I weigh EVERYTHING! Light tyres & wheels are tops for me. I don't have an emtb these days (now a much lighter mtb) but did weigh everything trying to get my 2018 Vitus E-Sommet as light as I could afford. 21kg was the 'lightest' 🤣
The price difference between the non ebike groupsets is even worse. I mean 1180 for AXS GX T-Type vs 1700 for the AXS X0 T-Type. Today on ebay I spotted 1 discounted AXS X0 for 1400 delivered, BUT that is still £220 more for zero performance and very little weight saving. I also much prefer the newer GX AXS hidden/more protected battery design. ONLY thing I like more with the X0 is the cranks with the cut out section in them.
I saw it on a Chinese factory for $498, so that's about $700 profit each time they get someone to buy it. Also, if ur weight conscious consider going on a run.
Actually, the GX cassette will wear out very quickly on an e-bike. This should be pointed out that the real problem with the GX will be the cassette, so piece out the setup if you’re really pinching pennies, or go to the X0 for the premium cassette. 👍🏼
@@dft1Yes, for the Standard AXS group set all of the components are interchangeable/compatible across the lineup. Not the new SRAM Transmission AXS group set however, completely different and incompatible unfortunately.
If you want to play devil's advocate, you could have identical parts with different heat treating and coating methods, even if you threw out the possibility that it's the same molds and designs but different alloy type all together.
Great video Rob, really helped me understand the new sram group sets. I’m still running mechanical shimano but very interested in upgrading to SRAMs new system and the GX would be the one I go for. Should I save my money or use it for another upgrade, maybe suspension.
When you're talking about the people who buy top of the line, they are either pro's, wealthy or wasteful, i.e., money isn't a factor. They will always buy the most expensive whether it is 65" plasma tv's, Wagyu steaks, or 1st class plane tickets. Value is not a care. AND we should all thank them for it. They pay for R&D.
Awesome job on the deep dive video Rob thx!!! It looks just like the original axs line up value wise gx for the win.I have the non udh gx axs on my xt drive train(sramano) and love it,I am curious to see if the new gx tt would work as well as the non udh on a shimano drive train?ps Rob did you manage to get the 54tooth dt ratchet for your hub yet?
so my understanding is that you use a sram derailleur on a shimano cassette and chain? Does that really work well without increased wear? I thought about maybe doing that because I broke one tooth on my cassette anyway and will need to replace it and the chain
@@sendyboiii7 Hi Chris.Yes it shifts excellent without any noticeable more wear.I use silca hot melt wax on all my e-mtb's.You would also need a micro spline free hub body if your running a sram cassette now.A youtuber I know has an excellent video on the sramano setup check it out his channel is lovemtb.If you do the switch use an xtr chain they have the best longevity out of the shamano 12 speed chains.Cheers!!!
Hey Rob, great video! Another question: in the last picture you can see a cable connected to the GX rear derailleur. Is the rear derailleur already available for e-bikes without a battery? Thanks
I don't own or ride an ebike but if I did it would have a Shimano XT Linkglide 11 speed drivetrain on it. No way in this lifetime would I pay the asking price for any of these SRAM units.... and I have the good ol' fashioned GX AXS on my bike, so I'm far from a hater. The price is simply obscene for this overhyped drivetrain.
Apart from the weight difference between GX and XO, what materials are used in each of the cassettes? If different materials are used, what is the wear and tear?
The data shows the coating sram use on chains slows them down big time to a shimano chain its all very interesting im actually stuck on what wireless to go with just now, i want the TRP A12 bosch so bad but just no more information out about it like when its out this year or 2025 and price tag? Does anyone know?
well.... good luck, ONLY BIGGER AND MORE EXPENSIVE.... easy to destroy, so good for Sram, coz you need a new one soon.... I'll stay with Shimano Linkglide on my eMTB (currently I use 11-46s, M8000 XT drivetrain - proper MTB rear mech. almost completely flush with a frame, hard to destroy, durable, cheap.)
10 месяцев назад
Thanks for comparing! But where can I get that cable for power supply on the ebike ???
I had same thoughts 2 months ago when I ordered custom DH bike - I put GX (DH version) on it, price jump to X0 was too much compared to performance/weight
Nice review! I'm not sure how accurate this is but I've heard beyond weight saving (specifically for chains), sram's hollow pin chains are significantly more wear resistance than their lower tier chains (Other than the chain it really seems like a no brainier and go for GX)
I'm starting to get very suspicious about mtb components and it's pricing . The gx upgrade kit cost a little more than $600 and a wireless dropper post cost $800 and up . Everyone should start questioning the industry everyone who's into mtb is getting ripped off
Nice video!!! two questions....i have a YT Capra CF Comp 2015 bike, is it compatible with the new GX. What is this nice black surface on your desk? Thank you!
So going from a shimano deore derailleur with a chain and cassette that don’t match on my trek fuel exe this wireless GX drive train should feel incredible?
Got a chance to use the gx for a month. I can say the shifting is reaaaaalllly slow compare to the one im using now the xo. Also that gx rd got hit by a stone from my last ride then it stops working 😂.
so basically the only thing that will be significantly lighter.... is your wallet
Well spoken, well spoken!
😂😂😂😂
Well, you can make both derailleur and wallet a lot lighter by buying the hopp carbon upgrade (100g for 1200€) 🤯🙈
Expensive Vs ridiculously expensive
Been using SRAM GX for years, never had any problems at all. GX all the way in the new stuff.
There are documented issues with derailleur jockey wheels - replaced under warranty by sram
Nice I just ordered a whole gx groupset
To me the battery placement alone with GX makes it better than the more expensive X0 and XX
It's more protected, and it looks nicer.
not only the differences but also the way you analyzed these drivetrains is probably mind blowing.thanks a lot for the
valuable guidance
Maybe worth mentioning that the X0 crank in this video is the e-bike version? The X0 comes with a cut out for bio-bikes and is lighter.
GX with XX Crankset and XO Casset would maybe be the perfect price to weight and longivity mix.
Same conclusion for me
I mount GX with XO casset and crankset 😂😂😂😂 perfect union
This is really good to know.
I have been away from the biking scene for the last 7 years, but I am currently researching bike companies for my next enduro bike, and piecing together parts I would like to have on the bike. I have noticed that there are so many new components, so many different component names, and finding this transmission thing has been all new to me, and to be honest, a little bit confusing. But I know the SRAM transmission is something I would like to have, as I see my new bike as something I don't really want to upgrade for the life of the bike, unless I have to.
The price difference between the GX and the XX transmission from SRAM is pretty significant, so its really good to know that the GX system performs just as good as the XX version. My enduro bike will be ridden 95% downhill, so weight in grams does not matter to me.
Don't buy that crap. It's not worth it especially if you go 95% dh.if it has to be electric, go for the old gx. Otherwise a normal gx or even an nx system is fine and if you fuck it up, its 60-90€ for a derailleur vs 100 for a chain alone on the transmission systems
I follow the law of diminishing returns, if you've no budget, go for the best, but dont be fooled into thinking the ratio of cost to improvement is linear
i got GX axs and i just love it. super smooth. never going back to cables or shimano
I do like the way Sram located the battery in the GX it gives me a better sense of my battery not falling off, and it makes the system look more compact. I do have the old GX AXS in one bike and the new GX transmission in my E-bike and honestly both systems work just fine!!
Even the GX makes the Pinion MGU good value. 😀
Great vid thanks Rob. Just been looking at this kit, so nice to see it all laid out like this. I'd be an XO type of guy as would want all black on the build
We’ll certainly didn’t see that coming , I believe your assessment is spot on
"We'll"= "we will" = future tense "didn't"= past tense.. Both in same sentence. Unique grammer
Would love to see an 11 or even 10 speed version of the beefier transmission design for e-bikes. 12 speed seems like a waste and the chains break easier... but that derailleur looks strong!
Thats exactly why they went to a flat top chain..
I'm using almost anything as cheap as possible, but went for XO chain, because in my case - it really lasts twice as long as other counterparts. Maybe it's because I don't really clean or lube the chain as often as I should and I ride in winters as well.... but, this is how it works in my case.
Same here. That chain is indestructible
No, more expensive chains can actually last much longer according to studies.
@@hannes6114 XO shown in tests to last longer than any other SRAM 12-sp chain. i cannot believe the difference when compared to using GX-level (whatever they are call) chains - probably 3X or more longer on my bike (riding in a variety of conditions but mostly dry).
@@nl3712 same, it is weird that they last so much longer
I’ll say this…I rode two S works back to back yesterday. One had an X01 Axs and the other had a GX transmission. The transmission was hands down the better feeling drivetrain. Hardly felt a weight difference as the bikes are ridiculously light. SRAM nailed the transmission line. That bring said, I’d probably go middle of the road with the X0 transmission to save a little weight just to say it saved weight. Buy once cry once. 🤷🏼♂️🙌🏼
In the SRAM line-up GX is always the answer!
Thanks so much for this video. This answers exactly my questions about the drive chain
Works for me , I’d go for the cheapest gx model even if I had £1800 to spend , as I not a fan of the silver on the pricier versions , Rob does the new drive trains really out perform the old axs which I have atm
The absolute best information abou these systems to be found online. Thank you.
0:00 Jeezus! That's either a ginormous derailleur, or Rob has tiny hands.
with regards to me - I am happy with my old sram GX ASX at 500USD, don't want this UDH until all this stuff gets much cheaper
I got to use gearboxes even electric gearboxes with electronic shifting that's the future you show just antique Technik cheers from Bali I cycle since 1970 daily
The thing that I noticed the most was the weight of the cassette and the derailleur out back there over a standard setup pn analog bike. I don’t really think you need 12 speeds on an E-bike but I could be wrong ,it seems like a 9or 10 speed would be stronger and cheaper.
The clutch on the old GX AXS was horrible and caused a lot of chain slap, assuming there is no difference in the clutch compared to the XX and XO this definitely seems like the better option. The hardest test is seeing what they are like long term. SRAM talks about the durability of these new drivetrains, time will only tell i guess.
But it wasn't so much the clutch (yes it's a bit weak), its the fact that the whole DR flops around as there is no cable housing anymore to hold it in place.
Brilliant consumer review. Well done Rob.
Great heads up on the weights, etc! I have Park Tools scales for components and complete bikes and I weigh EVERYTHING! Light tyres & wheels are tops for me. I don't have an emtb these days (now a much lighter mtb) but did weigh everything trying to get my 2018 Vitus E-Sommet as light as I could afford. 21kg was the 'lightest' 🤣
The price of nice bike components is absolutely insane! I shit you know I specked out a bike altogether. It cost more than a Honda Civic.
Those cost 100 to make, max
What I would like to know is new T-type transmission vs regular groupset longevity, do you feel it lasts significantly longer?
love the product placement
GX all day... could change out cassette to XO for weight if that's a concern, and it's all good!
i like how robust it looks will definitely consider in the future
The price difference between the non ebike groupsets is even worse. I mean 1180 for AXS GX T-Type vs 1700 for the AXS X0 T-Type. Today on ebay I spotted 1 discounted AXS X0 for 1400 delivered, BUT that is still £220 more for zero performance and very little weight saving. I also much prefer the newer GX AXS hidden/more protected battery design. ONLY thing I like more with the X0 is the cranks with the cut out section in them.
As always IMHO just go for GX with XX chain.
Well there you have it. Who wouldn’t want to pay more for the “slight, ever so slight” different sound? 😂
If I had the frame, I would go for this GX, but man, my SLX 12S is so awesome, I can't even imagine something better than it
Nice, was thinking of getting timp peak fezzari with a GX Transmission
still that one driveterrain is more expensive than my entire bike 😭
I saw it on a Chinese factory for $498, so that's about $700 profit each time they get someone to buy it. Also, if ur weight conscious consider going on a run.
Shimano DEORE XT is the way to go for Performance.
And for Performance value Shimano SLX with a Deore XT Shifter.
😁
So two groupsets would have done the Job perfectly fine XD
But hey. Lets so three
Well, that's the trick to make super expensive drivetrain and then just expensive looks like good deal.
Man, I just can't spend that much. I hope I don't ever try one, I know I would want one. I'll stick with my slx.
Great comparison how does it compare to the old version? 🤔
Would be great if someone could develop some sort of a system whereby non UDH hanger bike could use this system, like my mondraker.
Actually, the GX cassette will wear out very quickly on an e-bike. This should be pointed out that the real problem with the GX will be the cassette, so piece out the setup if you’re really pinching pennies, or go to the X0 for the premium cassette. 👍🏼
Bullshit... ;)
can you run xo cassette with gx everything else?
@@dft1Yes, for the Standard AXS group set all of the components are interchangeable/compatible across the lineup. Not the new SRAM Transmission AXS group set however, completely different and incompatible unfortunately.
If you want to play devil's advocate, you could have identical parts with different heat treating and coating methods, even if you threw out the possibility that it's the same molds and designs but different alloy type all together.
The GX rocks. It is not cheap. It is the best money I ever spent.
yet another MTB upgrade I'll never afford. Can still dream though
30 grams difference. that's a weight of a energy gel.
It could easily be the difference between life or death!
Weren't they talking about the price point of the gx to be around 800 bucks? I could def be wrong.
GX will be Goldilocks for Eagle, reliably.
nothing new in the world of cycling you always paid more to gain 10g that's why you often see remarks like "eat less and you'll get the same for free"
I have gx on my trek roscoe 8 happy with it
Great video Rob, really helped me understand the new sram group sets. I’m still running mechanical shimano but very interested in upgrading to SRAMs new system and the GX would be the one I go for. Should I save my money or use it for another upgrade, maybe suspension.
i like it the problem is my frame not design to mount that kind of RD
Good to see you using new canyon strive ^^
Marketing strategy! Cheaper is the same I have to buy this thing !
When you're talking about the people who buy top of the line, they are either pro's, wealthy or wasteful, i.e., money isn't a factor.
They will always buy the most expensive whether it is 65" plasma tv's, Wagyu steaks, or 1st class plane tickets. Value is not a care.
AND we should all thank them for it. They pay for R&D.
How i wish to have a mtb 🥺❤️
Awesome job on the deep dive video Rob thx!!! It looks just like the original axs line up value wise gx for the win.I have the non udh gx axs on my xt drive train(sramano) and love it,I am curious to see if the new gx tt would work as well as the non udh on a shimano drive train?ps Rob did you manage to get the 54tooth dt ratchet for your hub yet?
so my understanding is that you use a sram derailleur on a shimano cassette and chain? Does that really work well without increased wear? I thought about maybe doing that because I broke one tooth on my cassette anyway and will need to replace it and the chain
@@sendyboiii7 Hi Chris.Yes it shifts excellent without any noticeable more wear.I use silca hot melt wax on all my e-mtb's.You would also need a micro spline free hub body if your running a sram cassette now.A youtuber I know has an excellent video on the sramano setup check it out his channel is lovemtb.If you do the switch use an xtr chain they have the best longevity out of the shamano 12 speed chains.Cheers!!!
@@glennmorgan8691 thanks man. would switch because I have a nx cassette which is just bad but uses microspline. thanks for the infos I´ll maybe try it
Arn't these for eMTBs? SO what is 100 grams when your whole system is just under 25kg?
AWESOME COMPARISON! AWESOME VID! Thank you for this 💯👍😎
Hey Rob, great video! Another question: in the last picture you can see a cable connected to the GX rear derailleur. Is the rear derailleur already available for e-bikes without a battery? Thanks
Really cool video! Underrated channel
I don't own or ride an ebike but if I did it would have a Shimano XT Linkglide 11 speed drivetrain on it. No way in this lifetime would I pay the asking price for any of these SRAM units.... and I have the good ol' fashioned GX AXS on my bike, so I'm far from a hater. The price is simply obscene for this overhyped drivetrain.
Apart from the weight difference between GX and XO, what materials are used in each of the cassettes? If different materials are used, what is the wear and tear?
I love GX!!!!!
The data shows the coating sram use on chains slows them down big time to a shimano chain its all very interesting im actually stuck on what wireless to go with just now, i want the TRP A12 bosch so bad but just no more information out about it like when its out this year or 2025 and price tag? Does anyone know?
that is a sick t-shirt, Rob - great vid as always
a transmission which cost like a full bike....mmmm interesting.
Great vid Rob. Thanks
well.... good luck, ONLY BIGGER AND MORE EXPENSIVE.... easy to destroy, so good for Sram, coz you need a new one soon....
I'll stay with Shimano Linkglide on my eMTB (currently I use 11-46s, M8000 XT drivetrain - proper MTB rear mech. almost completely flush with a frame, hard to destroy, durable, cheap.)
Thanks for comparing! But where can I get that cable for power supply on the ebike ???
Buying a gear box motor will be the real saving.
The prices for even the entry level are ridiculous, and I guess it needs a special frame too...
Awesome comparison , What chainring was you running?
Great video.
Where was the riding footage shot?
video quality is awsome! Picture is 10+
My XX didn’t cost £1800 and doesn’t have the magic wheel? Might be because it was the Bosch e-bike set?🤔
I had same thoughts 2 months ago when I ordered custom DH bike - I put GX (DH version) on it, price jump to X0 was too much compared to performance/weight
Video request ; Comparison on the Shimano Freeshift tech please.
Nice review!
I'm not sure how accurate this is but I've heard beyond weight saving (specifically for chains), sram's hollow pin chains are significantly more wear resistance than their lower tier chains
(Other than the chain it really seems like a no brainier and go for GX)
they wear well but they are super inefficient compered to other chains
@@ihateblacky interesting, so they transfer power less efficiently? Got any reference videos/post or just based on personal experience?
I think Rob has unraveled SRAM’s marketing in 10 minutes!! Twitching bums at HQ perhaps 🤪🤪🤣🤣
I see myself going back to Shimano if this continues to go the way it's going.
SLX with XT Shifter baby!
I'm starting to get very suspicious about mtb components and it's pricing .
The gx upgrade kit cost a little more than $600 and a wireless dropper post cost $800 and up .
Everyone should start questioning the industry everyone who's into mtb is getting ripped off
Nice video!!! two questions....i have a YT Capra CF Comp 2015 bike, is it compatible with the new GX. What is this nice black surface on your desk? Thank you!
Is electronic shifting really necessary that’s the real question
Haha, EBIKES RULE. Barely caught that.
Awesome video
Thats why 5DEV is the better crankset 😎
the only weight comparison I've found is about EMTB parts but rather than regular mtb parts. so sad
So going from a shimano deore derailleur with a chain and cassette that don’t match on my trek fuel exe this wireless GX drive train should feel incredible?
I think this will flop unless price drops. Its just ridiculous expensive. It has cost of begineer mtb
I have always felt these bike components tier thing has been a complete rip.
Wait what? Where did you get the X0 cranks? Those are supposed to have a hole where there is just that protrusion on GX. Weird stuff!
Half kilo deralireur omg.. We are really in 2024? I have 12sp XTR with "prehistoric" mechanical system and is it perfect 😮
Got a chance to use the gx for a month. I can say the shifting is reaaaaalllly slow compare to the one im using now the xo. Also that gx rd got hit by a stone from my last ride then it stops working 😂.