He LOST to Phelps because of the Touchpad | The Story of Milorad Cavic
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2023
- In this week’s episode of Athletes Only, Olympic Silver Medalist, Milorad Cavic, sits down and shares his journey as a swimmer including his 2008 Olympics 100 Butterfly vs Michael Phelps which came down to 0.01 and sparked a much larger swimming controversy. That controversy turned into a rivalry with Phelps that led into the 2009 World Championships where they traded Butterfly World Records, back and forth.
Milorad shares all the highs and lows of his career, his journey to the Olympics, and his Life at Cal swimming with Anthony Irvin and Nathan Adrian. He also shares lots of great stories about the ins and outs of professional swimming that not everyone gets to hear about, you’re definitely going to want to stick around for this!
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Cavic is an interesting case. If you would have decided to swim as an American citizen, chances are he would have been seen in a more heroic light as part of a American 1-2 punch at the Olympics. He took the more logical approach of swimming for his native Serbia, and the rest is somewhat history.
Interesting way of thinking about it. I’m sure he’s very proud to represent his country of Serbia! 🥈
It's way harder to get into the US swimming team than it is to get into the Serbian one, I guess. So many world class swimmers in the US, but only a limited amount of spots in the olympic/world cup races for a nation.
Despite all the steroids, the Serbian beat him...No chains and shackles, no falcons💪🇷🇸❤
@@MK-ev5rz When you are the best in the world, there is no such team that would not favor you... and when you are a patriot like Čavić, you show it by winning... You don't even know where SERBIA is, to say that it is easier to enter in the Serbian team...on the contrary, you only enter there with your heart, not with money or blackmail, that's why we are the best...Tesla, Pupin, Milanković, Andrić, Radeta, Djoković, Jokić, 3x3...etc.
lol. Cavic's American-made.@@djoledobric8819
I really admire Cavic's attitude & perspective on the situation. However, as recently as 2020 he told Brett Hawke "I don't think I lost that race." There's also a lot of flawed logic & baseless speculation here:
- FINA timing system rules were established way before the race. Touchpads were first used in competition back in 1967(!!). They didn't just decide that touchpad activation matters in 2008.
- The Omega sponsorship could have no bearing on the race, as if they rigged the system in real-time. It's unfair to suggest that they would've overturned the results if Phelps finished 0.01 behind.
- The timing system had a backup AND manual footage review, all corroborating the results and confirmed by the Serbian delegation. They didn't just deliberate for 3 days to find the right excuse.
Totally valid points! And yes, it was commonly accepted by many that Phelps won but still many others, especially many in Serbia and even the Cal swimming community, will say that Cavic won.
Even in the interview Cavic talks about all the factors of not enough FORCE to activate the pad. He got to the wall first, just not with enough force…. But that’s really where the “controversy” comes into play.
@@KyleMillis "He got to the wall first, just not with enough force…."
Sorry Kyle, this was NOT the official & unanimous conclusion. From a NBC article:
" 'It was very clear that the Serbian swimmer touched second after Michael Phelps,' said referee Ben Ekumbo of Kenya, a member of FINA’s technical committee."
"He said the Serbians were allowed to review the frame-by-frame footage, although the rules don’t require it. 'They accepted the ruling because it was not the human eye making the judgment,' Ekumbo said. 'It was the footage.' "
"IOC member Kevan Gosper said FINA’s decision was based on who touched first."
There is a frame-by-frame breakdown in a Sports Illustrated article that provides more context than the single image that circulated online at the time.
I like both, Cavic and Phelps, but everything in 2008-09 was about Phelps, and all this thing about him is too pumped, I mean swimmers and people who really know about swimming says that, for example, Biederman’s 200 free WR is ,,fake’’, does that mean Phelps’s 100 fly WR is fake? He also weared suit, he also never achieved sub 50 again in his life?! In this days they would be casual swimmers who are trying to catch big sharks like Dressel and Milak, Marchand… So, that American media has pumped too much all these things, yeah he is GOAT, ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS COMPETING IN THAT TIME. Btw, so many people think that Cavic hates Phelps, no, I listened one his podcast and other guy who asked him questions in podcast asked him why he said to one journalist that Phelps is dragon? Cavic said that he is dragon in real meaning of this words, I mean, it’s unbelievable to think that one man could swim 10+ times in couple days, he also said that they never actually spoke for like more then 10 minutes in few years overall and he said that he asked him to go on coffee or beer and he always refused.
@@bluesapphire5285 nice essay, but you’re missing my point. Cavic’s narrative has factually-incorrect statements and he brings up circumstances (e.g. Omega sponsorship) for the purpose of creating doubt about the results without actually making any direct accusations. It’s not admirable behavior.
@@Vim_Tim I see u know swimming very well, let’s move on side Cavic-Phelps thing, it happened what happened, that’s past, some people would say that Cavic won, some would say that Phelps won and that’s it. But one is thing is real, Cavic awake beast in Phelps when he said it’s not good for him to win 8 golds. My thing is this, these guys are not even close to this days swimmers, they were good for their time, but today they would be casual swimmers, I know u will write this video is not about this I just wrote, but I had to say this. Btw, are u coach or retired d1 swimmer or idk because u know a lot about this things!?
Milo has been one of my coach’s for a few years now. He is one of the best, Maybe the best, person I’ve ever met.
He’s a great guy! Glad you had the chance to get coached by him.
What sort of good character traits does he have? What are some examples of it that you’ve seen that we can learn from?😊
@@abrahamben-dayan9843 he doesn't smoke pot !!!?
really interesting video!!! cool to see the other side of the story, i need more of these podcasts!!
Glad you like these videos and hearing from legends like Milorad 👏🏻
Seriously underrated channel (yours and Kyle Sockwell’s)… can’t even imagine the time and effort you guys put into your videos
Two Kyles just trying to make an impact on the sport they love, thanks for supporting 🤙🏻
Great interview! Always wanted to hear what he has to say
Glad you enjoyed hearing from him 👍🏻
Top video!! Two 100 fly races we will still talk about in years to come.
Glad you enjoyed it George!
2 insane races in swimming history that he was a part and such a cool prospective.
There are photos taken from underwater at the end of the race that were published in Sports Illustrated which show Phelps touched first.
I heard there’s photos in other parts of the world (Serbia and other countries nearby) that show Cavic ahead. But even Cavic notes that he understands the rationale, he didn’t activate the touch pad in time.
@@KyleMillis "I heard there’s photos in other parts of the world (Serbia and other countries nearby) that show Cavic ahead."
What does this even mean 😭The photos published by Sports Illustrated are the official photos from Omega. There aren't any other secret cameras or "lost photos" of the finish. This is heading towards conspiracy territory.
both Fina and Omega said that Cavic hit the pad first
ruclips.net/video/2khrGuM83wQ/видео.html
here's Omega General Manager Christophe Bertaud saying it on video.
@@dj_m1999well, no further discussion after this. Clearly Cavic won.
@@londorika2 well yes and no, there's controversy and confusion over what should be a simple matter. Essentially they're saying that Cavic hit the pad first but not with enough force needed to active the pad itself. By the time he did, Phelps had already activated the pad
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Eyyy! Glad you liked it, lots more of these great interviews coming 🔜
Yeah a great message to everyone around the world if you are extremely talented and rich you can search the world for the best Doctors and Surgeons to help you with injuries that at some point you will have if you do try and find your personal limit in whatever your sport of choice, if you’re not 🤔😐. I so glad you clearly and concretely communicate this, thanks 🙏😐
The swimmer who stops the clock first is the winner. It's really that simple, and all athletes know that.
I guess that’s the lesson we all learned. I was always told it was first one to the wall 🤷🏼♂️
I guess that’s the lesson we all learned. I was always told it was first one to the wall 🤷🏼♂️
These days reality and logic means nothing. We can clearly see that in U.S elections today. Such a phenomenon needs to be studied
The swimmer who wins the race is the winner. It's really that simple, and all athletes know that. Congratulations to the true winner, Cavic.
@@johnarundell7951😂😂
Pretty good podcast
He had a great story, glad you enjoyed it!
One may arrive to the fine line of a finish line, but only wins if crosses it by, guess what, applying certain degree of force. That’s how it works in many sports.
That said, both are brilliant outstanding world class athletes.
Yep! Didn’t want Phelps to lose but he actually did
Cavic won, man they wanted phelps to win for he would've completed 8 medals
At the touch….
We may never know who really won!
@@KyleMillis you know what they WOULD'VE done if the situation were reversed? they would've filed a complaint or maybe even stopped the show for a few minutes to announce the winner for ...he touched first and touch is enough!!!
Why you didn't show on your video that famous underwater picture where is clearly visible that Cavic has full contact with the pad while Phelps has a 20cm gap betwen his fingers and the pad?
I honestly can't take Milorad's crocodile tears over Omega supposedly screwing him out of the gold medal. Winning the race is NOT just about touching the wall first. It's about stopping the clock first. What's one of the main things age groupers are taught to do in a race? DON'T TOUCH THE WALL ON TOP OF THE PAD. Why? Because you won't stop the clock. Phelps won the race because he finished with the speed and force necessary to stop the clock first. Milorad, taking his last stroke 10 feet out and flailing into the wall with his head up, didn't. I like this channel and I think swimming needs more astute sports commentary, but letting Cavic's sob story about this go unchallenged is lazy journalism.
Ahh I wouldn’t go that far by any means!
First off, this guy is an Olympic Silver medalist - he knows more about swimming than you or I.
I think for us, it’s gotta be hard to imagine what his journey through swimming was like after 2008. His identity to the outside swimming world, was tied to someone else - Phelps. He had to reinvent himself as a swimmer and a competitor.
He’s got a great story and is definitely someone in the swimming world that lots of young athletes should hear from. No Crocodile tears 🤔
@@KyleMillis So what are you saying? Does Cavic have some mystical knowledge about finishing a race that is only knowable to olympic medalists? I can certainly appreciate his story about aiming high and bouncing back from defeat, but he would be a much more compelling role model to young athletes if he would just admit that he lost fair and square and didn't have to qualify his loss with this nonsense Omega conspiracy theory about a race that happened 15 years ago. His comments about this made me physically cringe.
Here's what I know, and it doesn't take being an elite swimmer to know this. The idea that it's as simple as "whoever gets to the wall first is the winner" has not ever been and never could be a reality for this sport. It will always take a given amount of force to stop a touch pad. Cavic cites Omega himself: Any less pressure to stop the clock and the clock could be stopped by waves and turbulence. We will always have to work within the physical and technological limits of our sport, and it's better to learn from our mistakes than try to change an outcome that has already been fairly decided. THAT should be his message to young athletes.
@@KyleMillis Cavic has a startlingly long history of insinuating his two major second place finishes transpired in a malevolent way and this interview only adds to this trend. The fact that he is STILL making an effort to cast doubt on the validity of races he lost is what makes these crocodile tears. Following the 100 fly in Beijing, reporting (Reuters, NYT, etc.) shows that the Serbian team was given access to not only timekeeping information, but photos. Given every possible source of data from the race, the Serbian team dropped their protest, indicating that they agreed with the race result. The sole holdout was Cavic. As recently as 2017, Cavic brought up the race in a condescending open letter on instagram that criticized Phelps for supporting anti-doping regulations more heavily after his career ended. The implication of course being that Phelps supports stricter measures only after retiring because he was doping during his career. He ended that post with the hashtag "#NeverTooLate" referencing FINA releasing the photos of his second place finish in Beijing.
When I saw the title of this video I thought "Here we go again". I understand the Cal bond is strong, but there has to be a level of journalistic integrity there as well. Every year at NCAAs we see races decided by 0.01 seconds and NO ONE protests. Why? Because touchpads were invented and shown to be robust IN 1962. For context, the civil rights act was passed in 1964 meaning that there was a time where segregated pools could have had touchpads. Cavic really starts the flow of crocodile tears when describing how "Omega took 2-3 days to describe what happened" in the race with Phelps. Does he not know that articles are published with timestamps? The race happened on August 15th 2008, the same day that Reuters published their article about Serbia dropping their protest after reviewing the race data. Cavic intentionally misrepresents this race and the subsequent protest, with clear intention to insinuate foul play. I get that what makes top olympic athletes who they are is a high level of competitive energy, and if Cavic needs to cope by believing as he says in the 100 fly post race interview "If we went through this again, I would win it" that is well within his right. However, for Cavic to be portraying that biased view denotes a lack of intellectual dishonesty on his part, and underscores him as an untrustworthy narrator.
@@thelongturn6544I'm not into swimming but found this clip interesting, my question here is, I sourced the info online and every rule states "first to the wall" as the winner. Would that be correct or does the Olympics rule state clearly, "first to stop the timer"? I am a very black amd white person. And if the rules does indeed state first to the wall, I think cavic is within his rights to feel wronged. I disagree with his assessment that omega are involved in this conspiracy. I just think that they'd already crowned the winner and it'd take the gloss off to then change the decision . But they should rewrite every rulebook if it states first to the wall.
@@RaseYourProbs You bring up an excellent point here: touchpads ARE the wall in swimming. At Beijing, the touchpads were the full length of the wall. When Cavic touched the wall, he touched the touchpad. His touchpad functioned correctly and he lost the race by a tiny margin. All the sources I could find make it unambiguous that Phelps won the race. The Serbian challenge was dismissed within hours of the race finish and Cavic is sowing seeds of doubt because he's upset he lost the race.
Additionally, as someone who has swam their entire life, I cannot tell you how disingenuous it is for someone to accuse the touchpads of cheating them out of a win. Many things can mess up a race in swimming, but the touchpad is not one of them. When a touchpad does malfunction, it will not register a touch at all, meaning that backup timers are needed. However, it doesn't register a late time or any other error. Like you said, it is black or white. Cavic is really upset he lost this race, and that is totally fine. However, his coping mechanism of finding exotic ways to take the blame off of himself is not a good example for the swimming community.
This type of content is somewhat expected from a youtuber that claims to be a "former D1 athlete and 2x NCAA Champion". If you were not aware, @KyleMillis is referring to the 2 NCAA team titles the California mens team won while he was a member of the team. This is a tremendous accomplishment in its own right, but Kyle is intentionally misrepresenting himself in a similar way that he allows Cavic to do in this interview. 2x NCAA Champion implies that Kyle won an event at NCAAs, a meet he never participated in due to time standards and roster size for Cal. Furthermore, non-swimmers visiting this channel like yourself would not understand this nuance and would assume Kyle was being honest, which he isn't.
Born in the US, raised and trained like American but he decided to represent Serbia. Had he not trained in the US, I wonder if he could achieved what he got. I see him as a traitor.
A traitor?! There’s obviously a lot of pride in representing the country his parents are from, Olympic rules state that you can follow the country of your parents.
@@KyleMillis I wont argue with the rules. Just put some of (your) common sense into it: you are born in US soil, trained by US athletes then what qualifies you to represent another country?
@@withoutpassidhis Serbian citizenship qualifies him, end of story. If he chooses to represent Serbia, he will go to the Olympics for sure. If he chooses to represent the States and has a bad day during Olympic trials, Ian Crocker qualifies for the second spot on the team instead and Cavic is left behind as a patriotic sucker. Nothing he did was illegal and to be fair, I would’ve chosen to represent Serbia too if I were him. By the way the other two Litherland triplets also chose to represent other countries.
@@pettypractice7872 Yup, he did nothing illegal. But had he born and grown up in Serbia, he would have never achieved the level to compete at the Olympics, end of story.
If your family is from Africa you are African, even if you were born in America, they also have lot of pride for Africa and it’s people (this can be said about any person from a different country or continent). So if a someones culture and family is from a different country why shouldn’t they be able to represent those people and culture they love from the different country.
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Great! Glad you liked it
The photo finish already proved Phelps won. It's not about who hits the touchpad harder.
That’s what I always say
No, phelps won as you pointed out cavic lifted his head at the finish, which gave phelps the chance to steal the gold. Same as womens 200 IM at trials 2021, Cox breathed in the flags which gave Douglass her spot on the Olympic team.
And he says that, he’s happy with his silver medal, that’s such an accomplishment! I don’t think he’s trying to fight that, he’s thrilled.
@@KyleMillis just kind of weird he tried to fight it though back then, when there’s evidence to why he would have got second.
Čaviću,sine, nažalost ćeš ostati upamćen kao plivač koji je "zamalo" pobijedio Phelpsa. Ne možeš protiv Amerikanaca nikako. Sve je njihovo. Imaš srebro na Olimpijadi i 4 Olimpijade iza sebe,i to će biti primjer tvojoj djeci.
The touch pad is a good measure to what's considered "touching", besides, just like in triple jump, timing of your strokes of movement is important, he had an awkward timing when he arrived that made him either, slow down or do another forced stroke, all his fault; he might hace been faster, can be considered stronger, but games have rules and michael won
Totally see your point, good comparison to triple jump 🏃🏼♂️
I disagree with you. Even the Omega official said that Cavic touched pad first, you have YT video on that topic. It doesn't metter how hard you and fast you go through the line in 100m sprint as long as you do it first. Usain Bolt did it first, for example, even celebrating before going through the line, so he was already relaxed, but he was first.
Some feedback. Your mannerisms at the opening very much look like that of Trump’s (specifically the “hand-accordion” movements when you open and close your hands several feet apart.)
And what's wrong with that?
He was a great swimmer, olympic silver medalist, of the best butterflyswimmers, but he lost in 2008 against Phelps and it was checked and proved for dfferent angles thats it!!!!!
The rules never changed. it was always that you have to activate the pad. Activation of the pad was giving the time. That was always the case.
And that is why when you were 15 your coach was telling you to have enough force at the end and not just slide.
Cool story, except he won.
@@voetbal12 your point being? He won because according to the rules he finished first.
I wonder if he can spell "sour grapes." If he had won 8 gold medals in a single Olympics like Michael did in Beijing, I might not be so cynical. Bottom line, Michael is the greatest swimmer ever.
You said that all of the evidence suggests that Cavic touched first. Yet no evidence is actually presented. Fact is thats in the famous finish photo, Phelps touched first. I'd love the evidence in Cavic's favour to avtually be presented.
Cavic talked about it quite a bit in the interview, listen closely to the fine details.
Omega General Manager Christophe Bertaud saying that Cavic hit the pad first. Fina also confirmed it.
ruclips.net/video/2khrGuM83wQ/видео.html
😂😂😂 not controversy
He got robbed fr
Cavic robbed it should have been a tie
Para los Norteamericanos todo es un show, se les hubiera venido abajo su espectáculo si Phelps no ganaba esas 9 medallas e hicieron de todo para que Phelps lo lograra, desde sacar a otros velocistas del 4x100 Libre, hasta usar sus influencias con la compañía OMEGA de cronómetros que se usan oficialmente en las Olimpiadas. Oh si, se me había olvidado, también banear los trajes que a Phelps no les convenía que se usaran.
Sounds like sour grapes to me, he did not touch the wall first - look at the slow footage
Cavic obviously won. Cant beat the biased americans though.
Europe > USA
👀
Straight facts
That could have been a 2 minute video...
You’re not popular enough for people to have to pay to see some of your vids
Some of the best moments were included in the RUclips video. More moments will be released on my RUclips shorts.
He's popular enough amount the swimming community, its still somewhat of a niche sport so thats why maybe not millions of followers yet.
CAVIC WON
Cavic won. I watched all those races. They handed it to phelps because of all the media hype about him breaking Olympic gold record. With cavic winning the 7th of 8 races, the amount of money lost already thrown at phelps...the amount of money lost over then next few months from phelps not winning all 8...they(the people in power) couldn't afford to be honest.
Phelps is a disgrace and should have been honest.
Cavic. You won. Fuck the touch pad. Thats an asterisk excuse.
Is there any evidence further than word of mouth to suggest that he won?
The replay is close, but when you look at the correct angle…
@KyleMillis look at any angle. Cavic won. They took forever to make the decision. They looked for any excuse. Touch pad my ass. That was the excuse. Phelps won...like biden won. The powers that be, couldnt afford to let the truth happen.