I put down my deposit for a 2022 literally the day before the manual was officially confirmed by Toyota. I strongly thought about backing out to wait for a 2023 but in the end was happy with my salesperson and the deal so I decided to go ahead. Looking forward to see if I made the "right" decision then, my thinking is I can always circle back when 2024 with rumored sport top drops.
Ah yes, they added the manual due to demand. Surely had nothing to do with the fact the new base Z is $10k less, comparable in power, and offers a manual.
Toyota’s goal was to sell the same amount of Supra’s each year. The upgrade in power year 2, the special editions, now the manual. All of this is to help accomplish consistent sale numbers each year.
@@Weimerica8841 if you want THAT car but there's not the option you want, you may end up going for that car without the option you wanted because you have no choice, you'll still like the car but it would be better if it was manual
@@timoarrg If you're willing to compromise on the transmission type, you probably don't really care if it's manual. You might prefer it, and that's fine, you can trade yours in now. But if you must have a manual, you wouldn't have bought this car before they offered it.
Yup, hell (pun intended) look at the Charger and Challenger. Those platforms have been around for over 10 years yet the sales are consistent. I may not like Mopar cars as much, but Dodge listens to their enthusiasts.
Of all the factory car upgrades I've seen, those dual JBL 12" subwoofers are hands down the most impressive. I'm surprised Doug glossed over this feature as I don't know that it's ever been offered before as a factory option. Car manufacturers need to do more of this. Cars NEED to have awesome sound systems.
You would think that, but unfortunately the "premium" audio system in the Supra is barely passable. My last mazda 3 honestly had a better sound system than this car and I've had to do a lot off sub box modifications just to get is to sound decent. Suprisingly tinny and quiet bass out of two 12" "woofers". Luckily the exhaust sounds nice so I don't miss the audio system too much.
My friend has that option in his Supra and the sound system sucks hard due to the small cabin space. You could put whatever speakers inside, and it will sound bad in that car.
@@HansolControl Just sold my 21 supra and can confirm the factory stereo is just ok. Those subs actually rattle alot and I had to add dampening to make it bearable
Considering the world in general is changing to automatic cars only it was logical to go only AT. Seems they were wrong to go with simple logic and forgot that enthusiasts actually want a MT for their sports car even if it is slower nowadays. This car will forever be out of my budget, if you can even get it in finland to begin with. You can't even get the 380bhp supra here because of emission standards. They're also ridiculously priced here, I think we can get a 320bhp or something 6 cylinder and it starts at like 75k€, wouldn't be surprised if we get the MT it's gonna be a 90-100k car.
@@mayuravirus6134 Guess that will come in time too. I feel like I'm not wrong in assuming when toyota makes a sports car they aim at domestic, US and European markets. Not sure if people still buy manuals in Japan but I assume most new cars there are also some sort of automatic. But we should be really happy that they listened to the potential customers and made MT a real thing.
Regardless of toyota's intention of making a manual model of this, I really like the fact that they make small but important changes to it instead of just slapping a manual in and call it a day like the position of the stick being further back and the slope of the panel trim, its just little details like these that makes a difference.
I highly doubt it that they made the manual version because of "customer demand". It was already in demand since the beginning and probably even before it. I am pretty sure they did it because of Nissan's new manual Z and that's actually really good and a healthy competition to push each other again to the limit just like the old days. Hopefully, other legendary JDM manufacturers join in the competition like Mitsubishi.
You and i both damn well know its not from customer demand, it was the manual Z that was offered and they knew their fan boys would prob jump ship to Z just for the manual ..
The Z will enjoy more sales because its a recognisable and loved model especially in America since the 240Z. It’s also a lot better looking and you’re getting a Nissan not a bmw.
European auto group manual swapped the new supra within a few months of its release. They used various pieces from different bmws to make it work. They did a pretty good job with making it work. A manual parking brake handle would be nice too...
Ever since the Supra first came out, I was really skeptical about it being Automatic only, but now that the Supra has a manual, I am really happy that they listened! Thank you BMW and Toyota!
Choice is Always a great thing! they couldnt loose by adding the manual option to the 4 cyl version.. he said sales are not as good as the 6, so adding the manual to IT would only up those sales and be a win /win for toyota
I mean, do you really think they would invest even more just with people complaining. More than likely this always been in the clause when they paid BMW for this car, and been cheaper just to see how people, or other car manufactures respond, and if the response was warranted, could contract with BMW to pop one in when is time for a refresher, rather having to go into a second contract because Billy, Dewayne, and Sue cried enough they wanted a stick. They probably really did it because Nissan came to the table hard, not bvllshiting with a nice design, OPTIONS, and a strong marketing campaign that had even grandmas talking, even at times when Nissan grave was being surveyed.
This is now the most desirable sports car south of about $100K. Just needs the BMW s58 now and it will be the best BMW. C8 has no manual so is a fail/garbage.
One thing I would really hope they add is RPM to the Heads up Display, as well as Oil/Water/Boost information to the Instrument panel without having to go through a secret menu.
@@iamshevanel Yeah that's cap lol. Toyota needed BMW for their first decent sports car in 20 years. Nissans Z is still right there, and cheaper, and of course no JDM has ever had something like the GTR. Nissan is definitely no.1
With the manual it's a dream car for me... I can't imagine ever being able to own one since it doesn't serve the needs of my life at this point, but lord do I want it.
@@Gaudine the nissan z is shit because of dealer mark up and the bmw m cars are really unreliable and used one are even worse because its already been abused by the previous owner
I know everyone complains about the BMW partnership with this car but a buddy of mine got one and it is extremely capable. It punches way above its weight in class….. and now with a manual? Outstanding!
I don't complain TBH It's the crossover episode I always wanted, Toyota and BMW is a match made in heaven between extreme reliability and beautiful interior and design.
They can complain as long as they want! Toyota has saved millions and millions to make this car and actually use the saved money to develop EVs and other stuffs, now Nissan I struggling to stay alive.
When Nissan announced the new Z with a manual as standard, Toyota didn't want to lose face. If it was about "customer demand", a manual Supra should have been in the works from the very start.
Exactly. It should have been a choice from the start. Now, this can interpeted to be a subtle mind trick to buy more manuals from the manufacturers by making an obvious time and feature difference, because manuals are still dying, but we'll never know for sure. I mean okay, this is a wild guess, but it would be so nice to be true, right?
@@danielvarga5385 Sports cars are an exception. Porsche discovered that 70% of their GT cars were ordered in manual. Again it depends on the segment in which the car is targeted for, and how the car is marketed.
@@devandrasimanjuntak1646It is true, at least part of it. While a Porsche a sports car a price tag also sporty but just for going up. A eco tuning champ such the supra and the Z isn't that kind of car. The majority of the new car marked has shifted towards automatics so does the budget champs too. This is the point in history where the automatic become the normal and the manuals are the luxury. U can see this trend grow when a new car gets released. And the reason why bwm was involved in the new supra was also the reason to not bring manual option at first time: financial decisions. The new supra has to be affordable, sporty, tunable (this one is arguable because of the bwm power sources are everything but tunable in the eyes of the 2j legacy) and obtainable at the widest possible spectrum of countries.
The layperson is hilarious when they think something like adding a manual version is something that can be done at the drop of a hat. Toyota had to have planned this version years in advance. Likely before the 2020 model was announced publicly.
If they’re even obtainable for retail price, I plan to buy either a Super or a Z next year. The Supra wasn’t in consideration until this manual became an option.
@@PistolStar21 Its a soulless refrigerator. Just buy a CUV or a minivan like everyone else on the road if you are going to do that. Sports cars are for people who actually can drive, so driving a manual is part of the appeal. I can see autos on big luxury cars meant to go fast, V12 S600 and the like, but on something like this buying the auto makes you effeminate.
Tuning the most recent supras is actually a little weird. You can run a piggyback tune but to truly unlock all of the ECUs functionality you need to send it away to get unlocked or I think you can swap in an earlier b58 ecu.
This is really starting to feel like a 90s revival now with the Supra and Z getting their soul back .. and I like it. Now if others would just follow suit and create more competition, we'd actually be able to afford them.
I don’t think the Supra looks weird or something, I think it looks absolutely beautiful. But the ‘vents that aren’t vents’ does look weird. But overall I really love the styling.
@@nucleargrizzly1776 I think these look like cartoon cars, they look distinctive but way too childish like a kids power wheel toy or something - The Lexus LC always looked beautiful to me even though it does have a few over-styled elements too, but that's most Japanese cars.
It's a Toyota FT Concept design forced to fit the chassis of a Z4 which why it has such weird proportions. Not a terrible looking car but it's such waste. Image the FT Concept on an M4 platform. Granted the price would probably have gone way higher.
It's hard not to love it! Those fake vents definitely need some aftermarket attention for sure. Can't wait to see some real-life head to head comparisons vs the new Nissan Z. 😁
The new Z has a good amount of power, but is still essentially based on the previous Z platform which is almost 20 years old now. The modern BMW chassis with the S58 straight six powertrain will likely run circles around the Z.
@@Forzamon42069 Engine is new in the new Z, but it is essentially still on the FM platform/chassis, which is hella old. Nissan launched the reborn 350Z on the FM platform way back in 2002, and the 370Z in 2009 was still on FM, and the new Z is STILL on FM. It's a good platform, and back in 2002 arguably one of the best RWD platforms out there, right up there with BMW even, but in 2022 it is showing its age for sure. Nissan is too broke to develop a brand new RWD platform, and probably wise not to do so now that EVs are the future, and I guess a new Z on a modified old platform is better than no Z at all.
@@Forzamon42069 Basically every front engine rear drive Nissan/Infiniti have ALL been on that platform for like 20 years, or more. Nissan's been broke for a good long time. Still quite a testament to how good the FM platform is that a modified version 20 years later is still usable. But the OG version was legit, with many reviews saying it was superior to the BMW RWD platforms of the day, back when Nissan/Renault was flush with cash and spend plenty of it to develop the FM.
I am Dutch. And I know some dealers sell cars for much more than they're worth in America. But that is not possible with new cars from brand dealers, is it?
Sometimes RUclips mobile doesn’t play the video for a while, but it always shows the first frame while it’s waiting. Seeing Doug just stand and stare at me for about 5-10 seconds gives me such an indescribable felling.
3:43 "Short throws, exactly what you'd want from a manual transmission," Doug says, while demonstrating the extremely long throw between first and second gear.
@@fakevirus8828 I don't get the problem with them teaming up with bmw on it. They make great cars including the Z4. Don't forget that the mclaren f1 uses a bmw engine.
I like the fact that Toyota rarely changes the model name font of their vehicles. Like the Supra, the Yaris badge is the same, and Corolla badge too. I think it makes recognizing models more easier and if you owned a previous generation it makes you bond to the new one.
They done themselves a misservice rebadging this junk BMW with its chocolate B58 lump. Terrible car and one of the least "tunable" on the market. Total flop.
Chevy used to charge extra for the manual transmission on Corvettes even though it was cheaper for them to make. I’d always pay extra for the stick on a Corvette and I’d pay a premium for a manual Supra, too, especially since it actually cost Toyota more to make it. Great video, Doug! 😀
@@flobama3247 Just like automatics will go the way of the dinosaurs once electric cars take over, right? Manuals clearly aren’t obsolete if manufacturers are willing to spend a fortune to keep them around for enthusiasts. Way to use a cliche argument to emphasize your lack of understanding of how car sales work lol.
The “fake vents” are to preserve the body if someone wanted to add in actual ducting to their Supra. It’s a smart move because if it’s limited then I would rather have the option to not cut up the body and being able to still add ducting without the permanent damage.
Most of the "vents" don't really help with making real vents at all tho. They just lead right into nothing, and would require a lot of modifying/cutting to "open up" (and workarounds to not destroy important parts of the car).
Would be cooler if it had the shifter from the 86 Subaru transmissions are notchy and raw, My wrx you can physically see the shifter move when you put the power down and the car shifts feel great with the STI short throw add on.
I would have liked to see Doug sitting in the driver's seat, and seen what the throw of the shifter is - to see if a tall person with long arms will feel cramped. That happens with controls for me.
It looks really close. I'm 6'4" and I can't help but imagine the back of my bent arm would hit the rear of the interior when downshifting. I really hate my arms feeling constricted when I'm driving.
I am fascinated by this colaboration. It's a Toyota so it won't go around corners quite so fast, but its a Toyota, so it might just make it to the next corner without breaking something.
I wasn't a big fan of the new supra when they released, but after seeing some finished builds, and now an addition of a manual, its definitely on my radar for a next car.
As a multi-decade driver of manual transmissions (by choice) and as a fan of Toyota's unsurpassed level of quality and reliability in their engineering, I lost the majority of my enthusiasm for this car when Doug mentioned that the transmission and many components of the car were initially designed by BMW, not Toyota. When I buy a Toyota, I want Toyota engineers and their top-notch quality system to have designed the mechanical components. Full stop.
I keep saying it but I really don’t get the hate with this being BMW derived. BMW makes great sports cars and allows this car to have a really nice interior as well. I understand it’s not a pure bred Toyota but for me it’s not a big deal
And to say it has Toyota reliability and durability is bullshit. We all know BMW price plummets because of expensive parts and being in the shop more than on the road.
When I first saw the reveal of the new supra on a commercial for the super bowl, I was very disappointed. But after some time passed, I saw a couple irl, I slowly started to love it. Pretty sick car 🚗 👍
Doug your reviews are always very informative and very entertaining! The candy corn tachometer thing was way too funny!!! Keep up the great work, quirky funny gestures, and jokes!
Love the sport mode sound... When I had the Porsche, I would down shift and floor it under a bridge just to hear the glorious sound of that air cooled motor!
@@pazera66 well you never need antifreeze or a radiator flush! But mostly it's the sound that comes from 911 carrera motor ! The wail as it come down the straight away on a track!
those new wheels are gorgeous! This is one of those cars that I would order new, take really good care of it and even keep it stock! Its already so nice from factory!
@@fakevirus8828 Whats the correlation between the ‘23 MKV stock wheels that looks like straight up from the GR86/BRZ and the Bimmer’s infamous reliability issues?
I have found quite a few BMW parts on the interior -infotainment controller on the centre console -door handles -climate control -indicator storks -Infotainment screen -auto gear knob -windshield mirror
I never given the Supra a second thought as a future dream car and for just reason. But now I am definitely considering it along with the BRZ and the new Z.
@@thedude3934 I despise Honda because my memory of Honda's are during the late 90's to early 00's, where it was just rice after rice Honda, and Honda hasn't really made anything that cool since then. The only car I really liked from Honda was the S2000. But the new Civic SI is actually really good looking in and out. I honestly have thought about trading in my MK7 GTI for one, but I want to wait until prices go down, because the price of a new SI is knocking on the high $30k mark, and that's quite a lot for a Civic SI. But I really likes its design. The CTR is too "boy racer" to me, and for its insane price, I would never be looking to pay that for a FWD car. The SI looks better, and would make a great daily.
Love the new manual. Love that Toyota “forced” BMW to add reliability to the 6 cylinder engine. It may just be me, but I cannot pull the trigger due to the exterior styling. It’s too garish for my taste. I’m not certain the styling will hold up long term. But I realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Overall a solid roadster/sports coupe.
While I'm happy there's a manual, I'm TERRIFIED that these won't sell because dealers will ask SHOCKINGLY high prices because "it's the manual!" This in turn will tell toyota manuals don't sell because the sales numbers will be low.. all because of stealerships. Again. Thoughts?
You may be on to something. I’ve contacted basically every dealer in a 100 mile radius and one was adamant about charging $10,000 over msrp. Some are claiming they’ll offer me msrp but we’ll see.
The manual is limited to just 500 units WORLDWIDE, which basically means it's a collectible and limited model = much higher price gouges. Btw, it'll probably be sold out in a few minutes. You won't have to deal with the dealerships. 🤣
@@catinthehat5140 Manufacturers do have control over their dealerships. They can come down and punish them HARD for this behavior. It's not toyota's fault per-se, but they can control it.
This might be the best thing to happen too. Although the used car market is nuts right now. Gone are the days of a used discount. Until that bubble pops again.
@@davidlake611 The Supra isn't most cars. It never really was. Although previous generation Supras offered automatic transmissions, they were always synonymous with manuals.
@@xxx03930 it’s a good thing I waited, I knew they eventually would make a new Supra with a manual demand was just too high.I’ve always been a big fan of the new Supra the par with bmw only makes it all the more better. Good styling lightweight RWD sports car now available manual has bmw interior quality and materials. The engine a lot of people may deem unreliable because of the bmw power train. But the B58 has been looked over by the Toyota to enhance its durability and longevity over the N55 in the Z4 making the new Supra the best of both worlds.
@@thelegendaryredx7710 Im sure it Has been looked over by toyota before they allowed it for use in Their car.. the Last thing toyota wants is their legendary reliability tarnished by bmw's bad engine karma and issues...
@@skip741x3 this is true but if it ends up on the flip side I will be very uneasy with Toyota considering how shaky that would be and not to mention money grab as the obvious partnership with BMW just as Subaru with the 86 is saying them enormous amounts of money as apposed to other companies having to put full R&D and full resources and attention to a sports car.
What? 🤣🤣🤣😂😂 this thing is a laughing stock in the UK. Its a junk BMW it gets smashed by near 20yr old S2000 and RX8 on track and the biblically unreliable B58 lump you need to sign a waver disclaimer before they will even remap it to an "economy" stage 1 remap🤣 This car is known in the UK as one of the biggest flops of all time.
Very good looking and very capable Supra 😎👍adding manual transmission will add 5% more buyers to join Supra family. As an ex-owner of the 1985 5 sp manual transmission Supra, I drove that beauty for 23 years of single life and was happy with every mile of the 295K miles. Traded in for a minivan because of the kids 😂
Hey Doug, I look forward to your first drive review. You mistakenly stated that the strut tower bars are unique to the A91MT. I have a 2022 3.0 and I have the strut tower bars. I believe all Supras from 2021+ have the strut tower bars. Only the 2020s with the 2 port 3.0 do not have them.
Probable reason for the Supra manual. Executive personnel watching the new Nissan Z commercial. All eyes get wide. All mouths open. One brave individual utters it......"Oh crap". I am glad they brought that new Stratosphere Blue color on board 12:35. I've been waiting for a new blue color to buy my Supra. Probably pissed off all those people who have the special edition blue that came out year before last as this blue color does look very similar. Looking forward to seeing the driving reviews of this new manual.
Thank you Nissan for making Toyota get their act right. I was already looking at a Supra and the manual just made it that much better. Doesn’t hurt that it outperforms the Z too 😎
Even tho Nissan nickname started as the Japanize BMW, its fair competitor never been targeted towards BMW. They understood their lane, and most BMWs aren't in their lane, so trying to out perform them never was an aim. This Supra is a BMW point blank. It doesn't really look like a Toyota, and sure as hell don't drive as one, or have Toyota spirit. Even if it does out perform the Z, it will never get that respect, or clot for it, on the streets, or track. Its an impostor that does not deserve any challenges, when it obvious a Supra owner is trying to present one at the red light. Not worth the waste of gas, or getting pulled over by cops over a past battle decades ago, knowing the Z never left the scene with time gaps, and when the other party finally come back decades later, its a fake, with the battle already won, no challenge needed. Come correct, or retire your legend status with dignity.
I thought after the Supra has been out a while that its design will warm up to me. Sadly it hasn't. And like Doug, I'm not a fan of the fake vents. The new Nissan Z runs rings around the Supra in looks IMO.
So youre saying you'd buy the z over the supra (which let's be honest you wont be buying either) solely because of the looks? Suit yourself but when I buy a car I look for reliability and build quality so I don't waste thousands fixing it every year I own it
@@fabbricatopersonareale I know all about Toyota reliability and quality. I currently own two. And one them is a '96 Toyota Land Cruiser (80 Series) - my overlanding rig. But don't forget this Supra is electronically and mechanically a BMW built by Magna Steyr in Austria. Not a Toyota built in Japan. FYI... my daily driver is a BMW X5 (F15), and sadly I've had more niggling issues (too many to list) with it than all the other 5 vehicles I currently own combined. I'd sell it in an instant if I didn't lose a lot of money doing so. So yeah, between this Supra and the Z, I'd get the Z. Full disclosure: I also currently own a '71 Datsun 240Z (S30), and a '83 Toyota Supra (MA60). You decide if there is any bias on my part.
I've got 2 manuals, 5-speed & a 6. Trust me, if you'd go drive a Porsche with a PDK, that whole clutch thing would change your mode of thinking. You'd be amazed at how fast it shifts, its mind-boggling.
if a company similar to amg focuses on this one to make it semi track edition.. remove back seat, place nice roll cage.. add lil nice wing.. light wheels.. racing tires.. add some bolt ons and nice tune to reach around 500hp.. this would be sick af
We moved from the standard manual which is lighter, easier to fix and cheaper, to a optional manual, which is lighter, easier to fix, but more expensive. Just think about it.
People always complain about an MSRP being expensive but if it’s in the second hand market you’d get very excited and say “the manual MK5 Supra is skyrocketing in value! I’m so glad this is happening!”
It's almost like automatics are the standard now because they're easier to produce, have better fuel efficiency and by now are pretty much all faster than manuals, especially dual clutch automatics. Car enthusiasts in the "manual only" crowd make up such a small percentage of car buyers (and ones who can actually afford a car like this are an even smaller percentage) that there's no point in car companies trying to appease them and spending more money than they need to in the process.
@@flobama3247 true. Autos are more suited for normal cars, but dual clutch in sports cars are insane. People who say save the manuals are the ones who don’t buy manuals. They just pandering around
@@drippgxd Yup, a lot of "save the manual" bros would go with a DCT in a heartbeat if given the option, because they wanna race their friends and other dudes at meetups. Even they know the DCT is the faster and is gonna give them better chances in street races.
I love how the argument is made that, it makes sense that Toyota would possibly charge extra because a manual wasn't in the cards for the supra, and they only did it because of the demand. The true statement is that Toyota saw that they could get more sales by making a manual version and so, they did, because the demand for it was great enough and that not including a manual was a severe oversight on their part with regards to the options on releasing the MKV Supra. They are not doing people a favor by including a manual, first and foremost, if Toyota didn't think that they would make money off the Supra name, they wouldn't have decided to develop a new one to begin with, so I would really appreciate it if people stopped making it seem as if manufacturers do consumers a favor by doing certain things, because they're not. I am a huge fan of Toyota, but companies don't sit at the table and be like "I wonder what favor we can do for our customers today" It would always be "I wonder what we can do, to appeal to more people so that we maximize our profits" And that is what happened here, nothing else.
Them doing it because of the demand is the exact same thing as them doing it because they can sell more. Did you think about your comment before writing it?
Wouldn’t the flashing light when the car is technically on neutral, be better as an indicator of when to shift? Like how Dodge does it on their steering wheel? I think that would be better if it doesn’t already have it
I know the new automatics and DCT with their 7 to 10 speeds are faster but maybe I'm old school or a true car guy that just loves being able to actually grab a shifter and select the gears myself. I remember when I was a kid always checking cool or interesting cars to see if they were a manual or auto and when it was an automatic I would always feel disappointed.
I feel the same way. The auto may be faster but sports cars are about the total experience and engagement with the driver. Flappy paddles aren't the same as physically rowing gears and controlling the connection between the engine, the transmission, and the road.
we've established that EVs are already quicker than ICE straight line even with an automatic for ages the remaining ICE sports cars should prioritize fun over numbers, and the manual is a good step in achieving that
Doug, the type of guy who makes millions of dollars over the years from RUclips and then not edit out the reverberation from a massive room while filming 👍😏
You must be new here. 🤣 All of his videos are recorded with a cheap iPhone, barely any editing at all, everything done in Windows Movie Maker. I'm not joking at all. But hey, if it works...
I was expecting this for the longest time, Toyota wouldn't exclude a manual version on their Supra for long. Even if they did, it was inevitable the return of the manual.
@@theewelder I still use those and I still like manuals. Speed isn't everything, sports cars are about driver engagement and the whole experience. Flappy paddles aren't the same as rowing gears and working the connection between the engine, the gears, and the road.
At the Dallas Auto Show this year, my best friend and I tried to sit in one they had. He’s 6’1, and I’m 6’0. I took a pic of him from about 5 feet away, and all you could see was his smile and below. He said that if he were to check his blind spot, he’d have to crouch down. I got in it, and he stood in the same spot. All I could see was his belt buckle and below. Not ideal. Very sardine-can-like. Not for anyone that’s a little husky or corn fed. It felt more like a BMW Z4 it’s based on, than a Supra.
I think orignially when the were talking about body design, the vents were actually functional, but they blocked them off to allow more "Aftermarket development" Just like those bars that they have introduced only now in the engine bay. Provisions were always there for aftermarkets to develop products for them.
Yeah, the fake vents are functional. They put fake vents in so they could sell them at a lower cost i believe. Not sure but i know they did it so that the people could swap the fake vents out when the customer wanted more airflow
That reverse lockout is something my 2006 E90 has, and I hate it. When it breaks in over years of use, that lockout is a little less resistant to going all the way over. There have been a few times I almost shifted into reverse at an intersection, or when downshifting into first. I really wish BMW would do what the VW group does with their lockouts.
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Sadly, no driving yet 😐 Toyota says I should be able to get behind the wheel late in the summer -- end of August, maybe early September.
Daaang. I hope you do a follow up when they let you drive it.
Ah shit.
Bummer
The Supra is a striking car to look at in person 😲
I put down my deposit for a 2022 literally the day before the manual was officially confirmed by Toyota. I strongly thought about backing out to wait for a 2023 but in the end was happy with my salesperson and the deal so I decided to go ahead. Looking forward to see if I made the "right" decision then, my thinking is I can always circle back when 2024 with rumored sport top drops.
Ah yes, they added the manual due to demand. Surely had nothing to do with the fact the new base Z is $10k less, comparable in power, and offers a manual.
Toyota is too over confident om this one
Not to mention that the B58 is already offered with a manual over at BMW
Comparable power means nothing if it can't deliver. The Z gets gapped.
@@wl2486 my 2017 440i had a b58 with manual lol
From what I'm hearing and reading, that base Z is a dangerously over AND under engineered poop box
Toyota’s goal was to sell the same amount of Supra’s each year. The upgrade in power year 2, the special editions, now the manual. All of this is to help accomplish consistent sale numbers each year.
100%. Pretty greasy telling people they won’t make a manual to get people to buy the auto anyway then ‘changing their mind’
@@brenchyalowicois6748 Nobody should be buying a car they don't really want though
@@Weimerica8841 if you want THAT car but there's not the option you want, you may end up going for that car without the option you wanted because you have no choice, you'll still like the car but it would be better if it was manual
@@timoarrg If you're willing to compromise on the transmission type, you probably don't really care if it's manual. You might prefer it, and that's fine, you can trade yours in now. But if you must have a manual, you wouldn't have bought this car before they offered it.
Yup, hell (pun intended) look at the Charger and Challenger. Those platforms have been around for over 10 years yet the sales are consistent. I may not like Mopar cars as much, but Dodge listens to their enthusiasts.
Of all the factory car upgrades I've seen, those dual JBL 12" subwoofers are hands down the most impressive. I'm surprised Doug glossed over this feature as I don't know that it's ever been offered before as a factory option.
Car manufacturers need to do more of this. Cars NEED to have awesome sound systems.
You would think that, but unfortunately the "premium" audio system in the Supra is barely passable. My last mazda 3 honestly had a better sound system than this car and I've had to do a lot off sub box modifications just to get is to sound decent. Suprisingly tinny and quiet bass out of two 12" "woofers". Luckily the exhaust sounds nice so I don't miss the audio system too much.
My friend has that option in his Supra and the sound system sucks hard due to the small cabin space. You could put whatever speakers inside, and it will sound bad in that car.
He doesn't even know what a sound system is
The sound system is the 6 cylinders...
But yeah a lot of car sound systems are trash
@@HansolControl Just sold my 21 supra and can confirm the factory stereo is just ok. Those subs actually rattle alot and I had to add dampening to make it bearable
The fact that it took 3 years for this car to be offered as a manual is ridiculous! It should've been an offer from the get go!
Considering the world in general is changing to automatic cars only it was logical to go only AT. Seems they were wrong to go with simple logic and forgot that enthusiasts actually want a MT for their sports car even if it is slower nowadays. This car will forever be out of my budget, if you can even get it in finland to begin with. You can't even get the 380bhp supra here because of emission standards. They're also ridiculously priced here, I think we can get a 320bhp or something 6 cylinder and it starts at like 75k€, wouldn't be surprised if we get the MT it's gonna be a 90-100k car.
@@dehoedergia Not Asia
@@mayuravirus6134 Guess that will come in time too. I feel like I'm not wrong in assuming when toyota makes a sports car they aim at domestic, US and European markets. Not sure if people still buy manuals in Japan but I assume most new cars there are also some sort of automatic. But we should be really happy that they listened to the potential customers and made MT a real thing.
You can thank the nissan z
This way they can sell enthusiasts two cars. An auto when they have no choice and a stick to finally get what they want.
Regardless of toyota's intention of making a manual model of this, I really like the fact that they make small but important changes to it instead of just slapping a manual in and call it a day like the position of the stick being further back and the slope of the panel trim, its just little details like these that makes a difference.
4:25 The manual is just slap on. The center console wasn't designed wide enough for a manual see the dial encroaching the passenger seat
To bad. Toyota has nothing to do with it!... it is a BMW with badges and bumpers.
@@rcDoom i rather have it like this. in 20 years when i buy a cheap auto and i want to do the manual swap, having them be the same will be a godsent
They aren't little details, they had no option but to make those changes to prevent you bashing your hand every time you changed gear
@@rcDoom Thank you for stating that for the slow ones, or those who didn't listen to the video properly.
I highly doubt it that they made the manual version because of "customer demand". It was already in demand since the beginning and probably even before it. I am pretty sure they did it because of Nissan's new manual Z and that's actually really good and a healthy competition to push each other again to the limit just like the old days. Hopefully, other legendary JDM manufacturers join in the competition like Mitsubishi.
You and i both damn well know its not from customer demand, it was the manual Z that was offered and they knew their fan boys would prob jump ship to Z just for the manual ..
lol Mitsubishi
The Z will enjoy more sales because its a recognisable and loved model especially in America since the 240Z. It’s also a lot better looking and you’re getting a Nissan not a bmw.
@@Gaudine A true 100% JDM amirite?
Oh irony
European auto group manual swapped the new supra within a few months of its release. They used various pieces from different bmws to make it work. They did a pretty good job with making it work.
A manual parking brake handle would be nice too...
Ever since the Supra first came out, I was really skeptical about it being Automatic only, but now that the Supra has a manual, I am really happy that they listened! Thank you BMW and Toyota!
Choice is Always a great thing! they couldnt loose by adding the manual option to the 4 cyl version.. he said sales are not as good as the 6, so adding the manual to IT would only up those sales and be a win /win for toyota
I mean, do you really think they would invest even more just with people complaining. More than likely this always been in the clause when they paid BMW for this car, and been cheaper just to see how people, or other car manufactures respond, and if the response was warranted, could contract with BMW to pop one in when is time for a refresher, rather having to go into a second contract because Billy, Dewayne, and Sue cried enough they wanted a stick. They probably really did it because Nissan came to the table hard, not bvllshiting with a nice design, OPTIONS, and a strong marketing campaign that had even grandmas talking, even at times when Nissan grave was being surveyed.
because its good to go slower
so are you getting one ?
@@skip741x3 They technically do since they make manual 4 cylinders
Solly for the customers who just buy the 86 instead if they're on budget
This is huge for Toyota and the sports car market! Glad to see the new Supra finally get a MANUAL! Awesome and Very Informative Video Doug!
I'm hope he Makes Video Again Soon.
Wow.. a manual transmission in a sports car.. so revolutionary and amazing. lol
Yeah, good luck finding one for a fair price...
its still a bmw not a toyota.
This is now the most desirable sports car south of about $100K. Just needs the BMW s58 now and it will be the best BMW. C8 has no manual so is a fail/garbage.
THIS is the video I needed for today. Doug always comes in clutch
Clutch
... I get it
I see what you did there
Good one
Deadass
Perfect. Gives me time to learn manual & enough time to be ready to actually get a new car instead of used
One thing I would really hope they add is RPM to the Heads up Display, as well as Oil/Water/Boost information to the Instrument panel without having to go through a secret menu.
Man I just wish I had brown interior not black 😂
@@KeepTheGod that brown interior looked nice
A91’s don’t have a HUD…….
@@RoadRage55 true. Isn't that a joke? So many people ordered Thiers and didn't know...
Secret menu?!
I call BS on Toyota claiming they hadn’t planned a manual. This is a good way of keeping the Supra in the news, years after it was launched.
Obvious panic move by toyota over the New Z
I think that it's true that they didn't have a manual in mind at launch, all those modifications in the center console are a clear indicator.
They didn’t say that. They actually said every year they would bring something new for the next production year
@@lucky889s9 🤣nah Nissan is the worst japanese car brand
@@iamshevanel Yeah that's cap lol. Toyota needed BMW for their first decent sports car in 20 years. Nissans Z is still right there, and cheaper, and of course no JDM has ever had something like the GTR. Nissan is definitely no.1
With the manual it's a dream car for me... I can't imagine ever being able to own one since it doesn't serve the needs of my life at this point, but lord do I want it.
i just dont have money xD...but BMW engine is a deal breaker for me 100% and so is the lack of a convertible version
@@fortheloveofnoise ew
Convertible? Lmaooo you know nothing of the b58
Buy a used bmw M car or get the new Nissan Z. Why would anyone buy this???
@@Gaudine For the people who love BMW, they will buy it 😁
@@Gaudine the nissan z is shit because of dealer mark up and the bmw m cars are really unreliable and used one are even worse because its already been abused by the previous owner
I wish I could afford the Supra now, it having a manual now makes it so much more desirable to me
So happy it came out finally, we all knew it was going to happen eventually, I'm just happy we didn't have to wait for a faster Version to get it
The B58 is just a lot better than the Nissan engine. This is where the Supra has a major plus.
Are you going to get it?
I work at Toyota. I couldn’t say shit for so long😅
@@dragospahontu It sounds better
@@aaron-fauth also so much smoother than a V6
I know everyone complains about the BMW partnership with this car but a buddy of mine got one and it is extremely capable. It punches way above its weight in class….. and now with a manual?
Outstanding!
I don't complain TBH It's the crossover episode I always wanted, Toyota and BMW is a match made in heaven between extreme reliability and beautiful interior and design.
@@NiwatiX it really is hard to go wrong with those two working together.
They can complain as long as they want! Toyota has saved millions and millions to make this car and actually use the saved money to develop EVs and other stuffs, now Nissan I struggling to stay alive.
lol @ manual in 2022 what a waste of car parts
@@carholic-sz3qv Struggling to survive😂Nissan is back in the black.
When Nissan announced the new Z with a manual as standard, Toyota didn't want to lose face. If it was about "customer demand", a manual Supra should have been in the works from the very start.
Exactly. It should have been a choice from the start. Now, this can interpeted to be a subtle mind trick to buy more manuals from the manufacturers by making an obvious time and feature difference, because manuals are still dying, but we'll never know for sure. I mean okay, this is a wild guess, but it would be so nice to be true, right?
periodt.
@@danielvarga5385 Sports cars are an exception. Porsche discovered that 70% of their GT cars were ordered in manual. Again it depends on the segment in which the car is targeted for, and how the car is marketed.
@@devandrasimanjuntak1646It is true, at least part of it. While a Porsche a sports car a price tag also sporty but just for going up. A eco tuning champ such the supra and the Z isn't that kind of car. The majority of the new car marked has shifted towards automatics so does the budget champs too. This is the point in history where the automatic become the normal and the manuals are the luxury. U can see this trend grow when a new car gets released. And the reason why bwm was involved in the new supra was also the reason to not bring manual option at first time: financial decisions. The new supra has to be affordable, sporty, tunable (this one is arguable because of the bwm power sources are everything but tunable in the eyes of the 2j legacy) and obtainable at the widest possible spectrum of countries.
The layperson is hilarious when they think something like adding a manual version is something that can be done at the drop of a hat.
Toyota had to have planned this version years in advance. Likely before the 2020 model was announced publicly.
If they’re even obtainable for retail price, I plan to buy either a Super or a Z next year. The Supra wasn’t in consideration until this manual became an option.
Whose car is this? It's Zed's. Who's Zed? Zed is dead....Z is dead, baby.
@@deller5924 I don't understand what you're saying, slick
I prefer the automatic anyway...faster and easier to drive.
@@PistolStar21 To each his own. There is always something faster. For some of us, it's about engagement and mechanical connection with the vehicle.
@@PistolStar21 Its a soulless refrigerator. Just buy a CUV or a minivan like everyone else on the road if you are going to do that.
Sports cars are for people who actually can drive, so driving a manual is part of the appeal. I can see autos on big luxury cars meant to go fast, V12 S600 and the like, but on something like this buying the auto makes you effeminate.
so glad I waited! seriously considering buying one of these, its just such a clean looking car with nice tune ability 😍
Yowwww
Same here. It's finally perfect
ANY same car tuned auto....will smoke u.........with 0 effort...EVERYTIME.......fact.....
Tuning the most recent supras is actually a little weird. You can run a piggyback tune but to truly unlock all of the ECUs functionality you need to send it away to get unlocked or I think you can swap in an earlier b58 ecu.
Get ready for that markup
This is really starting to feel like a 90s revival now with the Supra and Z getting their soul back .. and I like it. Now if others would just follow suit and create more competition, we'd actually be able to afford them.
Now we need a new honda mazda and mitsubishi in this segment
@@alphatrion100 I'm still waiting on an RX-8 replacement. 💀
@@gabriell.4440 same
Gran Turismo Revived!
Supra is from 1978 and made famous in the 80s and z is from the 70s
I don’t think the Supra looks weird or something, I think it looks absolutely beautiful. But the ‘vents that aren’t vents’ does look weird. But overall I really love the styling.
Rear end looks great, side looks good, front looks bad.
Like the Lexus LC. They both look immensely better in person.
@@nucleargrizzly1776 I think these look like cartoon cars, they look distinctive but way too childish like a kids power wheel toy or something - The Lexus LC always looked beautiful to me even though it does have a few over-styled elements too, but that's most Japanese cars.
The hood "vents" kinda ruins the body lines in exchange for more "aggressive" styling. They should be an option with real vents
It's a Toyota FT Concept design forced to fit the chassis of a Z4 which why it has such weird proportions. Not a terrible looking car but it's such waste. Image the FT Concept on an M4 platform. Granted the price would probably have gone way higher.
It's hard not to love it! Those fake vents definitely need some aftermarket attention for sure. Can't wait to see some real-life head to head comparisons vs the new Nissan Z. 😁
The new Z has a good amount of power, but is still essentially based on the previous Z platform which is almost 20 years old now. The modern BMW chassis with the S58 straight six powertrain will likely run circles around the Z.
@@tren133 The old platform isn't even close to 20
@@Forzamon42069 Engine is new in the new Z, but it is essentially still on the FM platform/chassis, which is hella old. Nissan launched the reborn 350Z on the FM platform way back in 2002, and the 370Z in 2009 was still on FM, and the new Z is STILL on FM. It's a good platform, and back in 2002 arguably one of the best RWD platforms out there, right up there with BMW even, but in 2022 it is showing its age for sure. Nissan is too broke to develop a brand new RWD platform, and probably wise not to do so now that EVs are the future, and I guess a new Z on a modified old platform is better than no Z at all.
@@tren133 I didn't even know the 350Z and 370Z used the same platform XD
@@Forzamon42069 Basically every front engine rear drive Nissan/Infiniti have ALL been on that platform for like 20 years, or more. Nissan's been broke for a good long time. Still quite a testament to how good the FM platform is that a modified version 20 years later is still usable. But the OG version was legit, with many reviews saying it was superior to the BMW RWD platforms of the day, back when Nissan/Renault was flush with cash and spend plenty of it to develop the FM.
Can't wait for dealers to hit it with a 50k markup!!
🤣🤣🤣
I went to check out some supras, and saw a “ adjusted market value” price tag on top of the sticker which made it 82k, ridiculous
Dumbasses buying this crap bmw...psh
I am Dutch. And I know some dealers sell cars for much more than they're worth in America. But that is not possible with new cars from brand dealers, is it?
@Gerardus Poppel Unfortunately dealers can share whatever they want. It is called manufacturers SUGGESTED retail price for a reason.
I really want one now, even just watching Doug row that shifter was intensely satisfying.
Sometimes RUclips mobile doesn’t play the video for a while, but it always shows the first frame while it’s waiting. Seeing Doug just stand and stare at me for about 5-10 seconds gives me such an indescribable felling.
3:43 "Short throws, exactly what you'd want from a manual transmission," Doug says, while demonstrating the extremely long throw between first and second gear.
Says the guy who’s never touched a manual Supra
@@19hundoc47 you can see it's long throw lol what are you on
@@thisfishiscoolashell weed
It is an ilussion. If you see the actual size of his hand, its a pretty short throw.
I love it when automakers learn their lesson
Hahahaha, same here
Seems pretty ironical
What by never ever teaming up with BMW?
Nissan Z competition is pushing them to improve
@@fakevirus8828 I don't get the problem with them teaming up with bmw on it. They make great cars including the Z4. Don't forget that the mclaren f1 uses a bmw engine.
@@rubenlay610 i use that example every time
I like the fact that Toyota rarely changes the model name font of their vehicles. Like the Supra, the Yaris badge is the same, and Corolla badge too. I think it makes recognizing models more easier and if you owned a previous generation it makes you bond to the new one.
Except now there are crossover corollas and even yarises in other markets
@@Luijbi well, i think those are exceptions. I'm talking mostly about the "real" models like sedan or hatchback corollas and the real yaris.
They done themselves a misservice rebadging this junk BMW with its chocolate B58 lump. Terrible car and one of the least "tunable" on the market. Total flop.
@@fakevirus8828 but we weren't talking about that 🤔
honda and acura basically
Chevy used to charge extra for the manual transmission on Corvettes even though it was cheaper for them to make. I’d always pay extra for the stick on a Corvette and I’d pay a premium for a manual Supra, too, especially since it actually cost Toyota more to make it.
Great video, Doug! 😀
Paying extra for a slower car so you can get the satisfaction of pushing a pedal with your left foot? Sounds like a big L to me.
What years did they charge more for a manual? What was the price difference?
@@flobama3247 How to say you don’t get it without saying you don’t get it 😂
@@Bp2181991 I don't and I have no desire to. Manuals are going the way of the dinosaurs, and for good reason. They're obsolete.
@@flobama3247 Just like automatics will go the way of the dinosaurs once electric cars take over, right?
Manuals clearly aren’t obsolete if manufacturers are willing to spend a fortune to keep them around for enthusiasts. Way to use a cliche argument to emphasize your lack of understanding of how car sales work lol.
The “fake vents” are to preserve the body if someone wanted to add in actual ducting to their Supra. It’s a smart move because if it’s limited then I would rather have the option to not cut up the body and being able to still add ducting without the permanent damage.
No need for parentheses, the fake vents are fake vents.
ruclips.net/video/s331EmPZSDg/видео.html
Most of the "vents" don't really help with making real vents at all tho. They just lead right into nothing, and would require a lot of modifying/cutting to "open up" (and workarounds to not destroy important parts of the car).
Amazing car; FYI the strut braces aren't unique to the MT model - they were added to the 2021 models
wow I guess.
Definitely feel the shifter should look a little more high quality, looks like the shifter is straight out of the GT86
Honestly, ngl, the first gen 86 has a nicer looking shifter. I guess it’s not that bad to replace it but I agree with you that it should look nicer.
It looks like a shifter out of a fwd car. The shift boot needs to be tapered more.
Someone’s always gotta bitch about something
Would be cooler if it had the shifter from the 86 Subaru transmissions are notchy and raw, My wrx you can physically see the shifter move when you put the power down and the car shifts feel great with the STI short throw add on.
GR
I would have liked to see Doug sitting in the driver's seat, and seen what the throw of the shifter is - to see if a tall person with long arms will feel cramped. That happens with controls for me.
He shifted it near the beginning of the video and he said it was fairly short but that might not be final since it’s pre production
It looks really close. I'm 6'4" and I can't help but imagine the back of my bent arm would hit the rear of the interior when downshifting. I really hate my arms feeling constricted when I'm driving.
@@LordPrometheous It looks tight inside like the viper.
I am fascinated by this colaboration. It's a Toyota so it won't go around corners quite so fast, but its a Toyota, so it might just make it to the next corner without breaking something.
The sense of humor that Doug has is something that distinguishes him from other vlogers - just normal, natural humor.
Savage geese does it better.
It's like dad humor but I like it
Hey Doug, the Strut braces are Standard on the 6Cyl Supra, along with the Red Brake Calipers, and they actually have 19" wheels not 18" 10:30
I thought those wheels looked huge for 18"
lol
I wasn't a big fan of the new supra when they released, but after seeing some finished builds, and now an addition of a manual, its definitely on my radar for a next car.
they are SUPER sexy in person.
the autos are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy faster...............0 effort...
@@theewelder Sports cars aren't just about speed. It's about the total experience.
@@theewelder Completely missing the point
@@theewelder everybody knows that, manuals are a lot cooler though IMO 😎👌👌
This video is so representative of the uniqueness of Doug's reviews vs the rest of youtube reviewers.
Toyota is back. They actually listened to their car enthusiast customers, this is rare for car companies now.
Nah, still a bmw.
toyota was always here. You could buy a good yaris anytime
@@billigerfusel So true. A BMW with a Toyota badge on it. It'll fall a part after the warranty period.
BMW is back
As a multi-decade driver of manual transmissions (by choice) and as a fan of Toyota's unsurpassed level of quality and reliability in their engineering, I lost the majority of my enthusiasm for this car when Doug mentioned that the transmission and many components of the car were initially designed by BMW, not Toyota. When I buy a Toyota, I want Toyota engineers and their top-notch quality system to have designed the mechanical components. Full stop.
I keep saying it but I really don’t get the hate with this being BMW derived. BMW makes great sports cars and allows this car to have a really nice interior as well. I understand it’s not a pure bred Toyota but for me it’s not a big deal
And to say it has Toyota reliability and durability is bullshit. We all know BMW price plummets because of expensive parts and being in the shop more than on the road.
The problem is that bmws brake down a lot, but no one is going to leave these supras stock anyways
To real Toyota fans it is
A lot of people formed their opinion about BMW from heavily used, beaten down, multiple owner examples way past their prime.
Even if it has a Toyota i6 engine internet trolls won’t buy one….they’ll just move on and hate on another car.
When I first saw the reveal of the new supra on a commercial for the super bowl, I was very disappointed. But after some time passed, I saw a couple irl, I slowly started to love it. Pretty sick car 🚗 👍
Doug your reviews are always very informative and very entertaining! The candy corn tachometer thing was way too funny!!! Keep up the great work, quirky funny gestures, and jokes!
Love the sport mode sound... When I had the Porsche, I would down shift and floor it under a bridge just to hear the glorious sound of that air cooled motor!
What so special about air cooled porsches? How its cooling system can can influence the sound?
@@pazera66 well you never need antifreeze or a radiator flush! But mostly it's the sound that comes from 911 carrera motor ! The wail as it come down the straight away on a track!
@@rarinkaz What? It’s bullshit. There so better sound out of air cooled engines. The way they are cooled has nothing to do with sound
@@pazera66 look up, sound of 73 carrera! There's videos on RUclips
@@pazera66 I didn't say it's the best, but it is distinctive and you can pick it out of a crowd!
those new wheels are gorgeous! This is one of those cars that I would order new, take really good care of it and even keep it stock! Its already so nice from factory!
Umm no. Its a junk BMW known for constant issues from the horrifically unreliable B58.
@@fakevirus8828 b58 is probably one of the most reliable engines bmw produces
Looks like 86 brz wheels aha
@@fakevirus8828 Whats the correlation between the ‘23 MKV stock wheels that looks like straight up from the GR86/BRZ and the Bimmer’s infamous reliability issues?
Love the reverberation.hope they keep it in the production model
I’m surprised that cave/cathedral reverb isn’t an option in teslas.
I have found quite a few BMW parts on the interior
-infotainment controller on the centre console
-door handles
-climate control
-indicator storks
-Infotainment screen
-auto gear knob
-windshield mirror
I’m replacing my STi with this! I’m pumped!
Sure you are going to enjoy it ! is a great car
Make sure you get you a cheap daily. Like an old lexus because you're going to need those extra seats
I never given the Supra a second thought as a future dream car and for just reason. But now I am definitely considering it along with the BRZ and the new Z.
You should also look at the Honda Civic SI, the Civic Type R and the Miata. I have the Civic SI and I can tell you it is a lot of fun.
@@thedude3934 doodoo cars, new Z ftw
BRZ...LOL!!!!!
@@thedude3934 I despise Honda because my memory of Honda's are during the late 90's to early 00's, where it was just rice after rice Honda, and Honda hasn't really made anything that cool since then. The only car I really liked from Honda was the S2000. But the new Civic SI is actually really good looking in and out. I honestly have thought about trading in my MK7 GTI for one, but I want to wait until prices go down, because the price of a new SI is knocking on the high $30k mark, and that's quite a lot for a Civic SI. But I really likes its design. The CTR is too "boy racer" to me, and for its insane price, I would never be looking to pay that for a FWD car. The SI looks better, and would make a great daily.
Supra blows past the new brz or Z
This Car is an absolute dream. I have Always loved the Look of this Car and now it gets even better 👌🏼😍
Love the new manual. Love that Toyota “forced” BMW to add reliability to the 6 cylinder engine. It may just be me, but I cannot pull the trigger due to the exterior styling. It’s too garish for my taste. I’m not certain the styling will hold up long term. But I realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Overall a solid roadster/sports coupe.
While I'm happy there's a manual, I'm TERRIFIED that these won't sell because dealers will ask SHOCKINGLY high prices because "it's the manual!" This in turn will tell toyota manuals don't sell because the sales numbers will be low.. all because of stealerships. Again.
Thoughts?
You may be on to something. I’ve contacted basically every dealer in a 100 mile radius and one was adamant about charging $10,000 over msrp. Some are claiming they’ll offer me msrp but we’ll see.
That's not Toyota's fault
The manual is limited to just 500 units WORLDWIDE, which basically means it's a collectible and limited model = much higher price gouges. Btw, it'll probably be sold out in a few minutes. You won't have to deal with the dealerships. 🤣
@@catinthehat5140 Manufacturers do have control over their dealerships. They can come down and punish them HARD for this behavior. It's not toyota's fault per-se, but they can control it.
@@Asiansxsymbol Hope that isn't true. That's fucking stupid if that's the case.
As the manuals Supras become more readily available, there will be an almost limitless supply of used automatics on dealer lots.
This might be the best thing to happen too. Although the used car market is nuts right now. Gone are the days of a used discount. Until that bubble pops again.
This isn't the case for most cars that offer a manual side by side, not sure why you think the Supra would be different.
With a mark up pushing you towards the new one anyway
Can’t wait to see them with those Third Owner Chrome Rims.
@@davidlake611 The Supra isn't most cars. It never really was. Although previous generation Supras offered automatic transmissions, they were always synonymous with manuals.
HUGE! I figured Toyota would never put the money and development into a manual in 2022. But I am so glad they did
They got scared from the new Z :)
They didn’t. BMW did.
@Jimmy Two Times or the gr yaris and the gr corolla
Why though, have you been living under a rock?? What about the GR Yaris and Corolla?
@@dbrandon4528 And?
Most people are in- love with trd supra , because is cheaper than a real super- car and is up- grade able or modify my friends. !!! 😃😁🏆🏆🥰🥰🥰🌹🌹🌹
That new stratosphere blue color looks really nice imo
We all know the manual was made because of the Z. Not because of "customer demand"
If you dont think this was in development for years then youre crazy.
Only the idiots think that.
Now all the Supra has to develop is a real hydraulic e-brake handle
Tbh I prefer the mk5 tbh imp
@@C4B2353 we've known the Z was gonna be a manual for years also, the gearbox has been ready to go since the Supra launched
This is honestly what I’ve been waiting for. Perfection in the truest sense. If you know you’ll know this car will be immensely special
I guest you have a plan to buy one right?
@@xxx03930 it’s a good thing I waited, I knew they eventually would make a new Supra with a manual demand was just too high.I’ve always been a big fan of the new Supra the par with bmw only makes it all the more better. Good styling lightweight RWD sports car now available manual has bmw interior quality and materials. The engine a lot of people may deem unreliable because of the bmw power train. But the B58 has been looked over by the Toyota to enhance its durability and longevity over the N55 in the Z4 making the new Supra the best of both worlds.
@@thelegendaryredx7710 Im sure it Has been looked over by toyota before they allowed it for use in Their car.. the Last thing toyota wants is their legendary reliability tarnished by bmw's bad engine karma and issues...
@@skip741x3 this is true but if it ends up on the flip side I will be very uneasy with Toyota considering how shaky that would be and not to mention money grab as the obvious partnership with BMW just as Subaru with the 86 is saying them enormous amounts of money as apposed to other companies having to put full R&D and full resources and attention to a sports car.
What? 🤣🤣🤣😂😂 this thing is a laughing stock in the UK. Its a junk BMW it gets smashed by near 20yr old S2000 and RX8 on track and the biblically unreliable B58 lump you need to sign a waver disclaimer before they will even remap it to an "economy" stage 1 remap🤣 This car is known in the UK as one of the biggest flops of all time.
THERE IS A MANUAL?!
it’s about time gosh finally
Very good looking and very capable Supra 😎👍adding manual transmission will add 5% more buyers to join Supra family. As an ex-owner of the 1985 5 sp manual transmission Supra, I drove that beauty for 23 years of single life and was happy with every mile of the 295K miles. Traded in for a minivan because of the kids 😂
Hey Doug, I look forward to your first drive review. You mistakenly stated that the strut tower bars are unique to the A91MT. I have a 2022 3.0 and I have the strut tower bars. I believe all Supras from 2021+ have the strut tower bars. Only the 2020s with the 2 port 3.0 do not have them.
I've been really excited waiting for the New Z to come out mainly because of the manual. This is giving me options...
Probable reason for the Supra manual. Executive personnel watching the new Nissan Z commercial. All eyes get wide. All mouths open. One brave individual utters it......"Oh crap".
I am glad they brought that new Stratosphere Blue color on board 12:35. I've been waiting for a new blue color to buy my Supra. Probably pissed off all those people who have the special edition blue that came out year before last as this blue color does look very similar. Looking forward to seeing the driving reviews of this new manual.
Thank you Nissan for making Toyota get their act right. I was already looking at a Supra and the manual just made it that much better. Doesn’t hurt that it outperforms the Z too 😎
Nissan didn't make Toyota do shit. We've been asking for a manual since long before the Z was even an idea.
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Even tho Nissan nickname started as the Japanize BMW, its fair competitor never been targeted towards BMW. They understood their lane, and most BMWs aren't in their lane, so trying to out perform them never was an aim. This Supra is a BMW point blank. It doesn't really look like a Toyota, and sure as hell don't drive as one, or have Toyota spirit. Even if it does out perform the Z, it will never get that respect, or clot for it, on the streets, or track. Its an impostor that does not deserve any challenges, when it obvious a Supra owner is trying to present one at the red light. Not worth the waste of gas, or getting pulled over by cops over a past battle decades ago, knowing the Z never left the scene with time gaps, and when the other party finally come back decades later, its a fake, with the battle already won, no challenge needed. Come correct, or retire your legend status with dignity.
True 🤡
I thought after the Supra has been out a while that its design will warm up to me. Sadly it hasn't. And like Doug, I'm not a fan of the fake vents. The new Nissan Z runs rings around the Supra in looks IMO.
Supra eat z all day.
@@tomjohnson8737 And that's probably why the Supra looks bloated.
@@fatmanoverlanding 🤣
So youre saying you'd buy the z over the supra (which let's be honest you wont be buying either) solely because of the looks? Suit yourself but when I buy a car I look for reliability and build quality so I don't waste thousands fixing it every year I own it
@@fabbricatopersonareale I know all about Toyota reliability and quality. I currently own two. And one them is a '96 Toyota Land Cruiser (80 Series) - my overlanding rig. But don't forget this Supra is electronically and mechanically a BMW built by Magna Steyr in Austria. Not a Toyota built in Japan. FYI... my daily driver is a BMW X5 (F15), and sadly I've had more niggling issues (too many to list) with it than all the other 5 vehicles I currently own combined. I'd sell it in an instant if I didn't lose a lot of money doing so. So yeah, between this Supra and the Z, I'd get the Z. Full disclosure: I also currently own a '71 Datsun 240Z (S30), and a '83 Toyota Supra (MA60). You decide if there is any bias on my part.
Doug, I would love to see a review on the Rush SR. It’s a 1000cc Suzuki powered track car that weights only 980 pounds. Makes an Elise look big!
Agree with Doug, hate fake vents, fake exhaust pipes/tips, fake exhaust sound, etc. But still really excited about the car…
Manual transmissions are like vinyl records. Rare and highly sought after by those in the know how..
Depends more on the car i would say, but in this classic it makes total sense to satisfy the fan base 💯
*laughing in European
And to those with small willies.
I've got 2 manuals, 5-speed & a 6.
Trust me, if you'd go drive a Porsche with a PDK, that whole clutch thing would change your mode of thinking. You'd be amazed at how fast it shifts, its mind-boggling.
@@danielfair4675 PDK is incredible and on another level compared to typical autos but still doesn't quite scratch the full manual itch
if a company similar to amg focuses on this one to make it semi track edition.. remove back seat, place nice roll cage.. add lil nice wing.. light wheels.. racing tires.. add some bolt ons and nice tune to reach around 500hp.. this would be sick af
REMOVE BACK SEAT? It’s a two seater lol
Things just got out of hands
-The car enthusiasts
Doug DeMuro, the type of guy to make Tube Man look motionless.
You can all thank Nissan for this. Without the Z coming out with a manual you can guarantee the Supra never would have.
Still missing the manual parking brake.
More important to have with a MT.
Mechanical handbrake*
Public: we want a manual
Toyota: ok, here you go
Public: we want a manual e-break
Toyota: 🤦♂️
Public: we want a manual
Toyota: here
Public: nm, I purchased an f150
Something to look forward to! Thank you!
We moved from the standard manual which is lighter, easier to fix and cheaper, to a optional manual, which is lighter, easier to fix, but more expensive. Just think about it.
People always complain about an MSRP being expensive but if it’s in the second hand market you’d get very excited and say “the manual MK5 Supra is skyrocketing in value! I’m so glad this is happening!”
It's almost like automatics are the standard now because they're easier to produce, have better fuel efficiency and by now are pretty much all faster than manuals, especially dual clutch automatics. Car enthusiasts in the "manual only" crowd make up such a small percentage of car buyers (and ones who can actually afford a car like this are an even smaller percentage) that there's no point in car companies trying to appease them and spending more money than they need to in the process.
@@flobama3247 Automatics are the standard, so to speak, because most people prefer them. It's simple.
@@flobama3247 true. Autos are more suited for normal cars, but dual clutch in sports cars are insane. People who say save the manuals are the ones who don’t buy manuals. They just pandering around
@@drippgxd Yup, a lot of "save the manual" bros would go with a DCT in a heartbeat if given the option, because they wanna race their friends and other dudes at meetups. Even they know the DCT is the faster and is gonna give them better chances in street races.
I love how the argument is made that, it makes sense that Toyota would possibly charge extra because a manual wasn't in the cards for the supra, and they only did it because of the demand. The true statement is that Toyota saw that they could get more sales by making a manual version and so, they did, because the demand for it was great enough and that not including a manual was a severe oversight on their part with regards to the options on releasing the MKV Supra. They are not doing people a favor by including a manual, first and foremost, if Toyota didn't think that they would make money off the Supra name, they wouldn't have decided to develop a new one to begin with, so I would really appreciate it if people stopped making it seem as if manufacturers do consumers a favor by doing certain things, because they're not. I am a huge fan of Toyota, but companies don't sit at the table and be like "I wonder what favor we can do for our customers today" It would always be "I wonder what we can do, to appeal to more people so that we maximize our profits" And that is what happened here, nothing else.
Them doing it because of the demand is the exact same thing as them doing it because they can sell more. Did you think about your comment before writing it?
@@kadeonines5178 I did, did you?
If Toyota was worried about profits, then the supra wouldn't exist at all. It's more marketing and creating additional brand loyalty than anything.
Wouldn’t the flashing light when the car is technically on neutral, be better as an indicator of when to shift? Like how Dodge does it on their steering wheel? I think that would be better if it doesn’t already have it
Finally a manual version. I'll think about buying it now.
I know the new automatics and DCT with their 7 to 10 speeds are faster but maybe I'm old school or a true car guy that just loves being able to actually grab a shifter and select the gears myself. I remember when I was a kid always checking cool or interesting cars to see if they were a manual or auto and when it was an automatic I would always feel disappointed.
Elantra N exhaust sounds better lol
@@gorgonismztruth1551 cope n' seethe zoomer
@@gorgonismztruth1551 lul
I feel the same way. The auto may be faster but sports cars are about the total experience and engagement with the driver. Flappy paddles aren't the same as physically rowing gears and controlling the connection between the engine, the transmission, and the road.
we've established that EVs are already quicker than ICE straight line even with an automatic for ages
the remaining ICE sports cars should prioritize fun over numbers, and the manual is a good step in achieving that
YES. Supra Manual, the new Z. Glad some companies are thinking of enthusiasts and delay killing off the manual.
Thanks for early access Doug!
Enthusiasts don't buy BMWs with new clothes on.
One of a kind transmission… Sounds expensive to fix when the clutch goes
And being a BMW, repairs will be frequent and expensive!
My thoughts exactly!
@@SWTrailsAndWheels It's probably a lot tougher than any BMW manual. As with the engine, Toyota must have developed it to their own durability specs.
@@LCOF I've had similar thoughts and sure hope you're right.
@@LCOF doubt it, it's BMW parts, maybe a tweak here and there, but these supras will not last, not like the 90s supra.
Now the Supra can be my future Car with that MT.
Doug unveiling a new car???
The emergency trunk lever is for your 3rd passenger to easily get in and out.
Customer demand is definitely correct.
So is the new Z having a manual transmission as well…
Can’t wait till Toyota releases the GRMN Supra
Everyone that's excited for the manual Supra, say "Thank You, Nissan!"
As awesome as this is, the fact that the transmission is some sort of bespoke BMW/Toyota hybrid, means that find parts will be extremely difficult
No manual hand break though 😢
Dam i just noticed that
Manual handbrake isn't as important in a RWD. Not like you're going to be doing handbrake turns in it.
3:52 it feels so good it made Doug go thru puberty again 😂
Doug, the type of guy who makes millions of dollars over the years from RUclips and then not edit out the reverberation from a massive room while filming 👍😏
Sounds about right.🤣
You must be new here. 🤣
All of his videos are recorded with a cheap iPhone, barely any editing at all, everything done in Windows Movie Maker. I'm not joking at all. But hey, if it works...
@@Im_too_old_for_this_shit been watching him since the beginning buddy 🤣 what's the matter, a little Doug criticism too much for ya!?
I was expecting this for the longest time, Toyota wouldn't exclude a manual version on their Supra for long. Even if they did, it was inevitable the return of the manual.
autos are way faster.....do u still watch vhs tapes vs streaming,cd,s,usbs?? its 2022 dual clutch auto only.
@@theewelder I still use those and I still like manuals. Speed isn't everything, sports cars are about driver engagement and the whole experience. Flappy paddles aren't the same as rowing gears and working the connection between the engine, the gears, and the road.
This needs the S58 engine from the M3/M4!
Maybe it will eventually
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There's rumors that there will be limited edition of the Supra with the S58 in the works.
At the Dallas Auto Show this year, my best friend and I tried to sit in one they had. He’s 6’1, and I’m 6’0. I took a pic of him from about 5 feet away, and all you could see was his smile and below.
He said that if he were to check his blind spot, he’d have to crouch down.
I got in it, and he stood in the same spot.
All I could see was his belt buckle and below.
Not ideal. Very sardine-can-like.
Not for anyone that’s a little husky or corn fed.
It felt more like a BMW Z4 it’s based on, than a Supra.
Having owned MK2, 3 and 4 Supras I'm glad they decided to go with a manual! Maybe the wife will let me have one now 😉
I think orignially when the were talking about body design, the vents were actually functional, but they blocked them off to allow more "Aftermarket development" Just like those bars that they have introduced only now in the engine bay. Provisions were always there for aftermarkets to develop products for them.
Yeah, the fake vents are functional. They put fake vents in so they could sell them at a lower cost i believe. Not sure but i know they did it so that the people could swap the fake vents out when the customer wanted more airflow
That reverse lockout is something my 2006 E90 has, and I hate it. When it breaks in over years of use, that lockout is a little less resistant to going all the way over. There have been a few times I almost shifted into reverse at an intersection, or when downshifting into first. I really wish BMW would do what the VW group does with their lockouts.
Ya, that bothered me, should always be far right past 6th or have a something you need to pull or push to go from 1 to R
14:40 so on regular mode, the water drips from the left exhaust. Sport mode, it drips on the right.