I'm changing all the thru hulls, but how to get them out?
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2024
- Removing the 27 year old thru hulls is a shit job. Would be better if I didn't have to change so many, but thats what you get with an older neglected boat. Watch to see what happens when I call in professionals and the bring a SAWSALL to attack the hull! I'm definitely not comfortable with this...
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Epidemic Sound
00:00-1:00 Intro
1:00-3:23 How to tell if they're bad
3:23-5:01 Removal (take 1)
5:01-8:29 Removal with a SAWSALL
8:29-9:36 Holding tank is FULL!?
9:36-10:15 Outro
When I bought my Tartan, they shipped it to my house with a full and leaking holding tank that had been sitting on the hard for 5 years. They trucked it 600 miles to my home and did a great job shaking up the tank. It was the first thing I tore out. Gross. My grass loved it.
The grass is always greener over the septic tank.
LoL
That must have been a shatty situation. Lol
The most important lesson I learned while rebuilding a 50 year old Cal 246 was..."Do it right or do it again" I applies to everything on a boat every time you do it. Love your enterprising attitude. Cheers, Dick
James , I just replaced all thru hull fittings this year on my C&C 34 and replaced them with Tru-Design glass reinforced and epoxy sealed developed in New Zealand , available in the USA you will never have seized valves again and no corrosion issues again fantastic product
Good move replacing them all. You will sleep better knowing the holes in your boat won't sink your boat. I like the format of showing as your going. Thanks for sharing
LOVE the new intro!!! 👍👌
Thanks guys! 🤘 Love you two!
It gives me a warm feeling to see those through hulls changed.
Oh joy! This looks like so much fun.
Good progress James.
Yep replace all. In the future you don't have a problem with that.
Not for the next 20 years, anyway. You’ve got good access right now, and everything is easily gotten to, and all the tools and consumables are right there. It’d be pretty silly to save a couple hundred bucks only to have to do this again in three years. (Not to mention if a couple of the fittings are a different thread to the rest of them, yikes)
@@JasperJanssen James, listen to Albano and Jasper.
A leaky, sinking, boat is like a house with a leaky roof. If either one leaks enough, or at the wrong time/place (which it will, according to Murphy) whatever's inside isn't worth jack didley. Replace them all while you can!
I would make 3 hoses into one thru hull and glass the other holes shut... less thru hulls cheaper and safer...
The level of irony here hurts.
What an absolutely amazing adventure you have us on that watch your channel. Outstanding job sir. Thanks for sharing your life and times with us that are your fans. Well done.
If you are going to buy a boat that's been neglected for the last three years and you are going to spend quite a lot of time and money on this is the one to buy ,I think you got lucky expensively well made and built like a tank ..just the type you want instead of a cheaply made poorly put together beneteau, especially if it has a broken back .( I think most people know which channel and boat I'm talking about ) ..the one where you get silicosis just by watching....😳.
yeah I do, been watching them try to fix it.. I don't think I would be buying a Beneteau any time soon.
@@stephenmurray9850 which boat is that, got a link?
@@richardpickersgill3434 Expedition Evans. .look them up.. young couple who bought a wrecked boat.
sounds like you been down this road before. I just started my journey. 6 years on the hard, started the "refit" in august. haven't spent a lot of money....yet, but lots of time invested so far..
I have always followed your videos, but only recently have I started to put them ahead and watch them before all of my other channels I follow. I love what you are doing and I am excited for your adventure.
I am was going to wait and change out through hulls on my WestSail 32 .. good FYI on the discoloration of the bronze.. this video made me change my mind..My next boat for sure.
I watched you since your first video. And then I took a break from sailing videos for awhile. Just went back to see what you were up to. I'm catching up in chronological order. So glad to see you're on your new chapter. Your videos are so much fun and so entertaining. Thank you for showing us all this stuff!
I would fix or replace anything and everything under the water line definitely. Nice boat james
Everything on your boat is broken. You just don't know it yet!
There is always a time to hire a project! Personally, I am thinking that holding tank might be one of them! Bleck!
James is on determined dude......gotta tip my hat to this guy.
Another job off the list.Well done!!! 💪🤙
Enjoy your vlogs on your Oyster 485. A real eye opener for me since I am planning to move up from my 22 foot day sailer to a much bigger sailboat
After seeing so many sailing VLOGS where the owners spend a year+ and 10s of thousands on refitting their used boat, I've been trying to figure out if I can just get my 25 foot C&C to the point where I can at least sail her around the Caribbean.
Great progress! You got this!
James, the through hole fittings are made of brass, an alloy of zinc and copper. Electrolysis leaches the zinc out of the brass leaving just copper, the pink colour. Make sure the new fittings are well connected to the bonding strips. The best method is soldering, either the actual fitting or the valve you screw on. See if you can solder a wire on before you instal them, that way you can get them hot enough for solder to flow. After instal you can extend the wire to the bonding strip. Have fun, wish I was there to help. Aloha, David. PS I sail out of Honokahau, I know you were here last year!
No they are not made of brass. The fact that you think those are brass tells me you need to stop giving advice because you know nothing.
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP I know nothing?? I have sailed over 100,000 blue water miles.. How about you? And since you know so much what are they made of? Or is it you that knows nothing and just likes to make ignorant and insulting comments?
@@jessiebrader2926 100,000 miles? Hahahahahaha!!! Just stop it Popeye. That would mean you have circumnavigated at least 4 times. Id bet you have never been on a boat.
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP You would loose the bet. I have delivered other peoples boats around the world most of my life. Multiple trans Atlantics, so many Pacific's from LA to Hawaii. On and on, all documented. Yes I do know the pointy end from the blunt end. Whats your experience sunshine or are you so full of it your eyes are brown?
@@jessiebrader2926 LOL Yup. Popeye delivery Captain with 100,000 miles watching beginner video on replacing thru hulls. LOLOL....sure...sure...
This is my new favorite channel on RUclips!
I was telling a sailer mate of mine about the effort to replace the thruhull fittings. He said it’s real easy! Drive a block of wood into the fitting. Get a holes saw that is the closest to the thread size of the fitting. Centre the hole saw in the block of timber and drill out the thru hull. Perfectly clean hole. No damage. Upsize or get one with Larger flange. He said it takes a couple of minutes to do!! 🤔
Oh man that's gotta feel good! Onwards and upwards now. Awesomeness!
I cannot stop enjoying your videos entry!! Keep safe.
Beginning at 6:45 there is just over a minute of tool sounds that have a musicality to them that really compliments the track. So cool!
So satisfying to watch all that pink popping out. I have this coming as soon as we buy our boat. 🚢
Great vid once again. Yeah man, call in the reinforcements when the labor gets intense. Smart move bringing in the guys who have removed more than a couple of through-hulls in their time. Make sure you have your sonar plan in place as you're putting the new through-hulls in. Even if you're not refitting any new transducers right this moment if there's a chance you'll add forward looking sonar in the next couple of years get a fairing block in place now so you can add the transducer without a haul-out.
Really enjoying your videos bro. Really like all the insight to the rebuild. I’m not a sailer but love the ocean and anything nautical. Think I’ll stick with the old adage the best boat to be on is one tour buddy owns lol. Safe travels bro🇺🇸
Fascinating watching boat work happen, so interesting
Here is how to get out old throughhulls: From outside knock in a conical wood plug and saw it off flush with the outside. Then use a holesaw with the same diameter as the new throughhulls and saw out the old through hull, fixing the center drillbit in the center of the wood. Not more than 5 minutes per through hull.
Great thinking,to bad it wont work will go sideway and take hours
I really like your channel direction dude. Your new boat is Awesome. After you bought it I did a lot of research on that particular boat model and they are bad azz boats dude.
Really enjoying the new content!!
This has been real informative thank you
At least you know when to quit . What a beautiful . Hope you have great journey
Hell yes 👍 this is your perfect opportunity while in drydock to replace all through holes. You’ll be back in the water with satisfaction and confidence, knowing you did a thorough and complete job.
One of the best channels!
awesome videos keep them coming! much respect fro you!
good job James....better safe than sorry
Bring's back Memories of old, the days of cleaning out, CHT Tanks.
I faced the same problem with my tiny Nordship 808, the solution was as simple, that the job finally took me 15 min. for 5 thru hulls. After having tried with spanners, chissels etc. for hours: Having grinded off the outer lid as shown in your video I used an electric jigsaw with a longer iron blade, cutting each thru hull 4 times from the outside (not too deep, so you don't get intothe fibre glass). It was very easy with a screwdriver and a lesser hammer to hit the split thru hulls from outside in.
Good luck to you my friend.
But did you hear how solid that hull is? Good job on getting them out, and I think the value of having big tools around like the mini sledge and chisels was shown. It sucks about the blackwater hose, and I'll tell you now that you will hate life unless you find a heat gun to have on board. The black PVC hose will be suspect and and white PVC hose won't be that far behind. But warming up the plastic first will allow them to release rather easily. I've seen a lot of rusty hose clamps and a bunch of single hose ones. Two in opposing directions is the typical way to go (as you know). You're kicking ass and I'm so impressed.
You have got the right type of boat to sail around our planet. Personally, I would never have wanted a catamaran for that purpose, far too risky. Hope you get a nice renovation, then you have a really nice boat! Almost in class with Hallberg & Rassy :)
Great video. UGH...... There must be a formula out there where you multiply the length of the boat by a factor that determines the amount of maintenance and money needed to maintain a boat every year, every five years and every ten years. I only owned a 17’ Scout, bought it used and in decent shape but wow, there was work that needed to be performed every year. Not to mention the improvements I put into the boat. I’m anxious to see the procedure of sealing all of the through holes. Take care and stay healthy.
Great New Intro. Keep Going FWD Brother!!!
There is a way to use a wet tshirt as a large pipe wrench. It can be tightened just beyond fingertight.
We used to use a wet cloth to remove old oil filters when stuck.
Love your music!!!
Keep it up!
The pink is the bad stuff so replace but we found most ok well done keep going so pleased I be came a boat builder we don’t stress or panic , we just do it , but good your on to it , it will be afloat in no time , when you going to antifoul Ready for the water and this is a top boat bro
Improvised puller out of some all thread, nuts and some scrap steel helps for jobs like that as well. Having a couple cut off discs a prick punch and a small drill set helps a ton to make up a puller if you think you’ll ever need it. But yah those guys did a pretty darn good job. Grinding the flanges off was a big part of the job and no doubt made the rest go quickly for them.
Good job getting them off! Are you going to use bronze or stainless for the new ones?? Be great if you make a video of what is the use of each of the 14!
I just replaced my discharge for my toilet, 1 1/2" bronze with Marlon fittings. No more corrosion.
Could you measure hull thickness at thru hulls..curious about that on an oyster..best luck bro.
Glad I sold my boat this year. I'll do it again as soon as I forget how much work it was.
Someone may have already told you this but I’m watching your latest video right now and that Roto zip I have one also there’s a compartment in the handle that you might have the bit that you’re looking for
Just discovered your channel, great job, very informative. As a sailor I appreciate it. Question, I was watching Delos channel and Brian said the Amel only has one thru hull that is used for intake. Have you thought about using the Amel system for thru hulls?
Check the saltwater intake strainers. The top plate on mine turned red where you tighten the top down to seal it
Don’t forget to eat your shrinking! Great job your project videos are the best.
Look at that thick coreless hull !!!!🥰🥰🥰🙉🏴☠️😍😍😍
It's an Oyster!
The first fiberglass boats were non-cored and were overbuilt to a fault. Some solid FG hulls were 1" thick and strong as a tank! Go Zingaro!
@@unclebob6728 Oh yeah. Back in the 60s and very early 70s those boats were overbuilt because fiberglass boat building was new and no one really understood how much fiberglass was needed to make a strong boat, so they just threw a shit load of fiberglass on and called it good.
Alternatively, as the gas crisis of the 70s got worse, some boat builders started to skimp on resin and/or fiberglass, and it's not uncommon to find boats from that time period where they were built super fragile. Many boat builders refused to compromise, but many others did.
Moral of the story; do your research when buying a boat.
Not sure how you see that in the footage; an over-drilled hole would have been lined with epoxy or glass to seal a core if there was one, before imbedding the TH. However, judging by the age of the boat you're probably right, as they used to over-engineer boats in those days.
Anywhere you can combine through holes would probably be a good idea. How many inlets do you really need if they are near one another? Same with outlets.
I would fill in a lot of those. Some sailboats that size, like the Amel, I believe only use 1 seacock.
That's an insane amount of through hulls. I agree, WTH Oyster? OK get cracking James. ;-)
Great job! Did new through-holes and sea-cocks in Langkawi. Crappy job ;)
Really great that you are documenting all this.
Although, 16 through holes is totally over the top for a small yacht like yours :D
Compost tea! Yum!
Replacing all of them, I did mine in the water and had the same issues with the nit not coming off and water coming in but I stuck a plugin it.
Seems like the guys who helped with the through hole removal were worth every cent you paid them, good to know people like that are available you may need them again.
Probably too late now, does the holding tank have a deck pump out fitting that you could drop a syphon into?, otherwise the tank is rotten anyway, drill a hole near the top and drop a syphon in that, and run the syphon hose out a port light.
He bought them a bottle of beer each ! .
I siphoned one time for my Montesa. Burped gas fumes for a week. Never knew, one, could swallow so much gas. Come to think of it, would rather be burping gas than ass.
@@MetalDetectingwithCZkidd Next time use a jiggle syphon, especially when dealing with fuels or sewerage.
I Fing love it
Headed north from Puerto Vallarta to Sf, broke a motor mount bolt. Nick had to make a bolt FROM SCRATCH from a steel rod. While bouncing on the water.
I think Sally Is Right James you need to hire a little project kit or something to get that thing out
Hi, I left you a message on a previous video explaining my thoughts on your issue. For all the time you spend grinding maybe you should consider just drilling them out, reglassing the hole, and then drilling a new hole in a better place. Just food for thought. In my previous post to your previous video. Good luck, I have the same issue on my baby.
That's just a ridiculous number of thru holes! In my Catri 24 hydrofoil stabilised trimaran there were none until I put one through myself for a forward looking sonar. Maybe I didn't even need to do that. But then we had to have a portaloo :-( But thanks for sharing your experiences. Insightful.
I'm looking forward to the non-poop episodes. ;-)
I wonder if the bronze corrosion is caused by impurities like lead added to the bronze making it easier to machine. Water faucet manufacturers did that for decades without telling anybody till somebody tested the brass because the water kept testing high in lead levels. So recycling brass faucets could be contributing to the failure rates you are experiencing. Or they added lead directly to ease production on their tooling.
dezincification the zinc leaches out of the bronze, like an anode - the pink is just the copper left behind & copper thru-hulls are no good to anyone!!
Good! another step forward! What about the pink color on the bronze James?? is it a sign of corrosion?
It's called "dezincification".
@@thelastpirate thank you man!, learning something every day!
Yep, I got to a point in my life to where I said, life, time to start paying for help. When I ran out of cuss words, then I knew.
Hi James, what brand/model sunglasses are you wearing in this vid? Teebsz
So many thru-hulls! Do you really need them all? Have you considered fibre-glassing over some of those holes?
Replace all and you will not worry about them. That boat sat too long. Better to be safe. Plus get a good high powered and volume emergency water pump. . I would even redo the hole for the depth finder or transceiver. I watched several videos of boats that had hoes break on thru holes or cracks and were saved by a good high volume emergency electric pump. It will help you clean that bilge.
I almost threw up a little with that holding tank spitting up chunks in the stream. Lmao.
Yep that was nasty and can you imagine the bilge full of the stuff and the smell ?
And now how about the sailors that tell you to taste bilge water and see if it is salt water or fresh? I always said NO!!!.
Glass over about half those holes, and share the rest, will be safer for the kind of travel you do.
Stop to repair above the line bad leak.
That many below would be concern, you have more experience than me and might be able to live with what I would not chance.
Would be extremely helpful if you could also include labor fees for the hired help and also other costs like parts.
Do em all! I never knew about bronze going bad like that! What are your thoughts about marelon through hulls and valves?
Yea they look good, but I guess bronze is tried and tested
And this shows it isn't good 316SS or plastic looking better
@@jacksterdaniels3718 Marelon is forever White and Black Plastic fails from the salt water and chlorine bleach ,as well as from sun exposure.
Stainless fails just like Bronze after years of no bonding or a reversed polarity on any boat circuit Fiberglass transmits electricity real well in saltwater it holds moisture.
@@frankferris300 My Marelon thru hulls were pieces of junk that disintegrated rapidly. Get a good charging system with an automotive generator and big bucks lithium batteries. Nothing can withstand a Sawsall !.
@@unclebob6728 You did not buy Marelon you got screwed with black plastic pvc crap. I have Never had a Problem with the one and only FORESPAR MARELON THROUGH HULLS AND VALVES THEY COST MORE THEN BRONZE EVEN AT OEM PRICEING .IF YOU HAD A PROBLEM YOU WERE CHEATED
James did you try to replace those thru hulls with stainless steel , should last longer
is there any worry that the fiberglass around the thru hulls might be deteriorated and leaky? ive looked at my thru hulls on my 40yo and they still seem ok but thats with the boat in the water
I think you mentioned the hull is 100% glass and no balsa/foam core right? Just a reminder that if it has a core you need to chisel away some of the core inside the hole and replace it with resin to ensure there can be no water penetration into the core before mounting the new fittings.
If you grind off the outside flange you could just use a pipe wrench to loosen the inside portion of the through hull by turning it until the glue breaks..
James, I don’t men to be pedantic but the thru holes are still bronze. The bad ones have leeched out most of the Tin and the Copper is more obvious. Love your work and videos 👍
Did a little poking around - usually it is brass that dealloys (dezincifies) but nickel aluminum bronze can lose its aluminum and cause failure as well. I'm guessing these were brass and not bonded. A call to the boat manufacturer would be interesting and informative.
A dremel multitool might have cut through that brass? Pretty good I'm guessing!
At least you know the tank is still good 🤷🏻♂️
Through hulls are always a pain, I think with those I would have just stuck a bar inside of em and wallered them around till they came loose since you already went to the trouble of girding the external flanges off, everything holding them was sealant unless I was seeing that wrong.
Something tells me you will be putting a valve right where the discharge exits the tank this time! 🤣
What’s your estimated time frame until you’re sails up and off to a new destination? Seems like you have a near-endless amount of tasks to do.
Better safe than sorry right! I mean whats the price of new brass parts vs the complete boat plus gear?!
Put a water hose in the tank bottom ,turn it on to get all the air out of the hose, then un hook it from the faucet . It will syphon all that crap to the outside of the hull without having to touch it...
Would be awesome if you were mentioning how much time they spent, how much the charged per hour etc at the end of the day if someone is watching a video on thru hulls we're going to be keen on knowing - Cheers James
Extremely large wrenches are typically found in the plumbing department and sometimes the electrical department of the DIY stores....not with the regular tools.
I'm on a very small island. I've visited most of the hardware stores... not going to be able to get a bigger wrench. This is part of the process, you deal with what you have. Makes it a bit more interesting...
Really happy with my composting head. You will not be exposed excessive smell and drama. No thru hulls either. You can use it while on the hard.
talk to me about this - I am wondering about when where how.... I like to have analogue back ups for most things in life ( like know how to use a sexton) and it seems like this would be a good one
@@radicalmama135 I used the urine separator from free range design. Build the box my self from a teak salon table. Didn't spend more than 50 euro. Gone with the wyns did a good video about the principle in there RV days.
Sometimes you got to let the Pros do their magic!
Is it possible to reroute some of those thru-holes so you can consolidate them into a fewer larger units? Sort of like how Amel does it.
That would make by far the most sense, except that it's more expensive. Easier to punch a bunch of holes through the hull directly through to water, and attach a rat's nest of hoses directly to them. One large strained intake and one outlet with branch piping would be much easier to keep an eye on, and to control.
It’s worth hiring a couple of guys if it means keeping your sanity....... But that other problem with the holding tank good luck with that Peace Brother