Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 Review: CHEAPER and BETTER?!
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Review of the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports Lens and comparison to the Sony 70-200mm f/2.8 GM II.
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Review of the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG DN OS Sports Lens and comparison to the Sony 70-200mm f/2.8 GM II.
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Table of Contents:
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0:00 - Intro & Disclosure
0:55 - Build & Ergonomics
2:36 - Manual Focusing
3:04 - Zoom Ring
3:58 - Size & Weight
4:13 - Lens Hood
4:23 - Price Difference
6:25 - Close Focusing
6:58 - Crash Zooms
7:27 - Focus Breathing
7:48 - Parfocalness
8:07 - Focus Noise
8:50 - Autofocus Rant
10:40 - Chromatic Aberration
11:40 - Bokeh
13:05 - Vignetting & Distortion
13:41 - Flare & Sunstars
15:17 - Sample Images
16:22 - Final Thoughts
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I certainly didn't expect to hear the words "doggy nipples" today.
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Almost choked myself for that🤣
ahah the outro had me in tears
Well, now you did. Good luck telling your grandkids about it someday LOL
He reminds me of a young Ben Assflack.
Just watched a manufacturing video of the Sigma factiry. I didnt realize how humans sre still greatly involved in making lenses. There was a worker hand painting the marking on the lens barrels. Crazy how they're able to offer these lenses at such a price with so many people and steps involved
Saw the same video, the handmade painting was 🤯.
@@cristian_c YT Algorithm also fed me that video. It was great to see behind the scenes. However, the hand painting was a little less impressive than it first appeared. According to a discussion in the comments, they were actually injecting ink into a pre-machined groove, rather then relying on being ultra consistent with their hand lettering. Still a task requiring precision.
There is another huge advantage of Sony lens... It works with 2x and 1.4x converters and for me, that's the deal braker.
I totally agree. The 2x converter (even though you go down to F5.6) is a beast. I use it for wild life video and its an absolute blast when mounted on an A7S3.
I think Sony have influence on Sigma and they forced them to do not add TC support, for E mount. Otherwise why they didn’t implemented this on E mount if they did on L mount?) It is competition between strong man and weak man beaten by strong. It is awful to understand this…
Considering how well these teleconverters work with f2.8 lenses, it is indeed a major advantage to the Sony. I think he 70-200 with a 2X converter would compete favorably with a dedicated fixed 400mm f5.6 lens. Sony is great. I own the Tamron G1. I am happy with its performance AND the price. If I had the budget, I would go for the Sony for all the advantages it has over Sigma and Tamron.
@@boristahmasian9604 I agree! The price and performance of the Tamron is absolutely unbeatable!!
@@photobatya Well, nothing new here. All 3rd party lenses on Sony E mount can't use teleconverters. I guess that's what we get for having "open" mount with no other restrictions in making lenses for Sony cameras. We get a lot (many cheaper, good lenses), but not all. However if it's price we have to pay for all that lens availability, I guess I'm ok with that.
I'm more concerned with that 15fps limit.
Best. Outro. Ever. Acid trip #247. I love the humour you're working into your videos. The Undone Show rocks!
Great job on the video Gerald! Thanks for making it.
Yesss been waiting for this (lens AND review)
Been waiting 5 years for this lens! Can’t wait to hear how it is 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Removing the foot is always my first step when getting a lens, especially this size. Non-linear focus is also a head scratcher. You are right about the GMII. It does spoil you especially with weight, how close you can get to the object at 70, and love the pics you get from it. Probably my favorite Sony zoom lens. If I am going to find savings on lenses it won't be here.
Thank you for another awesome informative entertaining photography based content.
Whenever something new comes out that I'm interested in. I always look at your video first because you set the benchmark for everyone else's...
Love you channel love your work.
Love that in your latest reviews you’ve made a point to show to show how the in-focus and out-of-focus areas transition on these lenses.
Also the quality of the out of focus areas.
The older you get the more important are things like weight and ergonomics. If you’re shooting for 3-4 hours straight and then back at it again for another 4 hour function it really adds up. Sharpness is definitely nice but having a lens that you truly enjoy using and holding in your hands is what makes a lens a legend. Fortunately I have about 4 of these and I wouldn’t sell them for any replacement.
That's if a M43 gets revolutionary sensor, with no noise, and 40-50 mpx, I am going in.
I’m sorry but I gravitate toward the 70-180 for that very reason.
It's great that the sigma controlsfringing better - wasn't expecting that! Great review Gerald!
I only wished you’d make a comparison between this lens and the Tamron 70-180mm f2.8 since that’s the lens we Sony users have used as a replacement to the G Master for it’s price, I consider this lens a direct competitor to the Tamron
True, but I think we can infer how it compares to them by proxy via other reviews.
@@jordanshipley448 The Tamron 70-180mm is fantastic! It can be a little slow when is darker, might hunt a little bit specially with my A7III, but on the A7IV and the A7RIV it nails it. Although the 35-150mm is still superior, for some use cases.
I have the Tamron 35-150. I wouldn't trade the 35mm gained at the wide end for 30mm gained on the long end. I'd go with a 70-200 if needed.
Hi Gerald, I love your work and the details you put into your videos. Would you be doing a full in-depth assessment of the Sony a9iii and the new insta 360 Ace Pro?
Great Review Gerald. How would you compare this lens to Tamron 70-180 F2.8 G2? Also, were you able to test stabilization on this lens?
The price is so good and I can only speak wonders of my Sigma 150-600 and the 85mm f1.4 Art. I have 4 GM’s (135f1.8, 50f1.2, 35f1.4 & 14f1.8) I think my 70-180 will finally be upgraded 😊
Hi Gerald, thank you for the comparison. Would you be able to add the Tamron 70-180 G2 in this comparison. I shoot stills and I think for the money it offers a viable alternative. I would like to see the Tamron's performance from a video guys perspective. BTW, I own the G1 version of the Tamron and very happy with it for still images.
Thank you so much Gerald, very helpful and informative review! God bless and good luck!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think your issue with the focus and zoom ergonomic switch has to do with a choice giving an increased focus breathing performance.
Finally, I was waiting for this!!
Another fantastic review as always
Excellent review, very detailed and informative. I've heard many people using them lenses for weddings. I would have liked to see a comparison in the field. Also, does is the OS on Sigma any helpful? Sony does have image stabilization on the body so it would have been nice to see if the OS on the lens provides something more or not. Anyhow, one of the best reviews I've seen. It's not only the content, it's the presentation as well, if not more, and you nailed it.
As someone who owns the GM II, I don't think I could go to the Sigma for several reasons. Close focusing isn't huge for what I do but is nice to have. The manual focusing was surprisingly one of my favorite parts about the GM II. The parfocal performance is great as well (and I didn't realize until just now tbh). I use the GM II on an RS3 Pro for event coverage, so every bit of weight savings is worth it for me. If I hadn't already used the Sony, then I think the Sigma would be great for most people. I'm just glad to finally see Sigma come out with their version. (Also I love Sigma glass and own their 24-70, so no biases here - well, other than FOR Sigma against other brands that aren't Sony lol)
Thank you, this is now on my to buy list.
On Lumix-cameras you can change the behaviour of the focus ring to linear.
I agree on the misplaced zoom ring.. I normally let ergonomics slide some.. but my hand naturally sits where their focus ring is and I need that to be my zoom.. I’d have to pass on this for the GM II for the better placement, size, weight, and better AF despite the differences in price.. my current first gen GM has been through the wringer and served well but I’m upgrading to the II soon..
I've noticed a lot of 3rd party manufacturers are doing this now with the zoom and focus rings being switched on the barrel. I really don't know why. Its such a huge annoyance for me!
Gerald, no mystery why Sony limits the fps on third-party E-mount lens, it is to protect some sales of their own Sony lenses. Same for no TCs on third-party E-mount lenses. The L version of this lens will take TCs on Leica and Panasonic as well as full fps. Strictly a Sony business decision. Do you really think many would buy the Sony at $1300 USD more if this Sigma was allowed to do 20fps on the A9/A9II, 30 fps on the A1, and 120 fps on the A9III, and with TCs. No way. Cheers and thanks from another Gerald.
Love your videos! So helpful!!
How is the optical stabilization? As a filmmaker I really like the 70-200 G master for some extreme close-ups. I wonder if I'll be able to shoot handheld with it and have - sorta - stable footage.
Very timely review as I'm considering a GMII... still unsure but thanks!
Currently I have the 70-200 Gm1 and having tested the 70-200 gm2 as soon as I get enough money I’m selling my 70-200 and getting the gm2 it’s such a crazy ass lens for the wieght and how optically great it looks
YES! Great Review & sold me. I’ve been looking for a 70-200 but for the L mount & found myself stuck between the native Panasonic vs this Sigma version. I’ve been using this lens solid for over three months now & I do not regret not getting the Panasonic version at all. This lens is tac-sharp and fits my needs perfectly.
I'm wondering if you tested this lens on moving subjects and how well the autofocus worked in comparison to the GM II? Other reviewers said the GM kicked the Sigma's butt in this regard. Not only greater FPS, but a higher percentage of hits. I have pre-ordered the A9 III. With that camera, Sigma is not in the game with this zoom.
It seems to be a lens communication protocol speed that causes the 15 FPS limit. Sony lenses since late 2016 use a faster protocol than their older lenses. The later lenses still support the older protocol for the A7 and APS-C bodies. Third-parties either aren't allowed to use the faster speed or choose not use it. Four of the Sony lenses released in 2016 support up to 20 FPS instead of or 15 FPS. The original FE 2.8/70-200 GM supports 30 FPS, but isn't on the list of 120 FPS lenses, so there might be another tier there. The most recent Sony lenses also support Silent Priority Aperture Driver in AF and those lenses also show a AE limitation on the A9III with the aperture getting fixed in busts at 60 FPS or higher.
this is basically sony and how they limit third party lenses. Others may limit autofocus lenses to certain focals, or even say that they only do manual focus lenses and so on. Every camera brand limits third party lenses in some way.
Aren't some Tamrons actually allowed to surpass that limit of 15 FPS? The focus motors on them seem better than the likes of Sigma too.
actually fps burst doesnt matter much, because sony sucks at fps burst, unitll you have a9 or a1 LOL... sony is soooo behind in that aspect.
and people say they are mad they are limiting third party lenses, while other manufacturers block anything from third party lenses, so it's better than nothing!
So did I make a good decision on the new Sigma over the Sony 70-200 first generation?
Only thing that matters to me is sharpness and focus speed... so for $1300 in savings you better believe I am buying the Sigma. I have been buying GM primes and Sigma zooms...and been very happy with my choices so far (Sigma 24-70 and 60-600, Sony 35 and 50 GM). After this 70-200 I will probably get the 14-24 and then possibly an 85 GM II if they ever update it.
I have been doing the same like you with Sony primes and sigma zooms minus the sigma 85 f1.4 dg DN is so much better than the Sony 85 gm. I was curious if you picked up the new sigma 70-200 dg DN and what your experience was. Might pick it up seeing I just parted with the Tamron 35-150 f2.8 which was terrible for action sports. Thanks in advance
I was thinking how could the AF sound like a dial up modem. Then when I heard it, you’re exactly right!
I'm in the market for an e-mount 70-200mm and I struggle to pull the trigger on the sony one so I was excited about the sigma. but the non-linear focus pulling is a deal breaker for me.
Well, for Panasonic Lumix users the sigma lens is a first Party lens as part of the L-Mount Alliance.
that zooming noise could be the autofocus adjusting to shift focus. maybe it gets parfocal at some point with a firmware update. The lensehood, zoom ring and collar are such a bad decision ...
It would be interesting to compare these two lenses against the new Tamron 70-180 f2.8 GII
Isn't the sigma supposed to have active stabilization? How does it bode for video shooting?
Any chance you'll be reviewing the GFX 100 II?
I have that Sigma lens, Nikon mount. Honestly best bang for your buck. I've had it at horse shows, football games and short film production. Honestly never had to remove the tripod foot and while it's a heavy chonker, nothing hitting the gym can't fix.
It’s not the same lens, you probably have the older DG OS HSM version
I was thinking about the limit on fps because the new Sony a9iii will have 120fps but only for Sony lenses. So this lens would put you at a real disadvantage if Sony keeps it capped.
Your hard drive will appreciate you going with the Sigma.
How does it perform in video mode with AF-C on, while pulling zoom? Does it mantain focus on the subject, or it struggles to keep it in focus?
Very odd that Sigma would go back to the screw locking hood instead of the button release bayonet style ones they've had for a while on the Art line.
I am currently looking to buy a 70-200 but I would've like to see some comparison with the 70-180 of tamron or maybe I'm spoiling another video where you compare the three of them 🤔
yoooo i just checked your sub count. when did that jump happened?! But well deserved!
I've had a Sigma 150-600 zoom for 2 years and the focus rotates the same direction as all my other lenses (clockwise for foreground and counter clockwise for things further away). My Tamron 18-400 is exactly the opposite--the only lens I've owned that does this--and I hate it! Non-linear focus is not an issue for me. The price on this lens is fantastic.
I have the EF version of the Sigma 70-200 the only thing that a con to me is the weight. But great len
Will you be reviewing the a 9 iii?
Ive been waiting for this lens since 2700 is out of my budget. I would like to see a comparison between the sigma and the Sony GM1 since they are closer in price.
Considering how close the GMii and Sigma are, and how much better the GMii is than the original GM, the Sigma is going to kick the original GM's butt from an optical standpoint. The only advantages the original GM would have would be TC compatibility and >15fps shooting speeds.
我兩款鏡頭都有 GM1更好
I’m a “new” photographer. Been taking photos all my life but got my first full frame camera 6 months ago with the A7IV, I use the sigma 35 1.4 and 24-70 2.8 and will probably get this ones as photography is my hobby that I make money with sometime, and plan to go all Sony glass down the road. As someone who only shoots on weekends mainly it seems like a really solid “budget” choice.
I love all these squirrel shots in the lens reviews!
Is there any chance you could compare the DJI drone cameras? Let's say Mavic lineup vs Air! I am searching to find actual picture quality comparisons in video and photo! That would be awesome.
would direct you to Philip Bloom, he hast lots of DJI Videos
I will check him out, thanks@@TechMediaLifr
This is going to be tough to choose between this lens and the lumix 70-200 f4 for size and handling.
But then again if samyang releases the 35-150 for L mount, that’s the obvious choice.
Did you ever decide on one? Those are the two lenses I'm choosing between right now.
@@philipae27 a friend gave me an old EF 70-200 f2.8. If I were to buy one it would be sigma.
New firmware from Sigma:
Ver.02 2024.04.18
・The operational noise during video recording has been reduced.
・Compatibility with continuous shooting of up to approximately 120 frames per second has been added for the focus modes (AF-S/DMF/MF) on Sony α9 III cameras.
Hey man can you review the Tamron 70-180 (G1 and/or G2)? Would love to see your thoughts on Tamron's competitor!!
Is the sigma better than the v1. I want to buy one Asap but I'm stuck. The v1 and the new sigma price is pretty close.
I use the GM II for casual shooting, going outside with a single lens. A bit heavy but not unmanageable. The Sigma just too heavy. Still great to have this option with a kickass lens!
Is the non-linear focus ring actually an issue on new L mount cameras like the S5ii and S5iix? I know on those cameras specifically you can set the focus ring on your lens to be linear -- can anyone verify that this is still possible with this lens?
Whats the likelihood to see this on fuji X mount?
Would've liked to see Tamron 70-180mm G2 added to the comparison
The what?!
@@mrc4nl sorry typo 😅
Love it. 08:43 Sounds like a 70s alien computer lol
This guy thinks of every angle, nobody's more thorough in their reviews. 🦖👍
I don’t know why lens companies don’t use a similar lock that flashes use to lock to the hotshoe for their tripod mounts/legs
how about video active steadyshot performance on sigma vs sony
No linear manual focus? Can you clarify if this might just be your copy of the lens or if that will be final across all production models? CVP’s review indicates that there is indeed linear manual focusing with a longer throw than the Sony. Confusing, and as a video shooter, no linear manual focus is a no-go for me.
I don't think I've used a Sigma that has linear MF. It's pretty obvious and performs like all the others. Slow turns have really long throw, fast turns have short throw. If you mark it with tape the focus isn't repeatable.
@@geraldundone maybe I’m using “linear” incorrectly, but my Sigma 24-70 DG DN for E-mount definitely has repeatable manual focus. I had assumed this new 70-200 would be in line with that.
It's similar to the 24-70. So if you're happy with it. You'll like this.
ughhhh I would kill for an RF version
Need g2 tamron vs sigma to see whts got a better hit rate at moving subjects
What about burst speeds on the a7/a7R?
Thanks, great video
They will be fine as I believe it's 15fps across the board.
The burst speed on the Sony A7 is 5 fps and I believe the A7R is slower than that.
@@CarlBergsdorf latest versions, of course
I got Nebula last year from GU, but still prefer to watch these on RUclips for the metrics.
Clicked on this video so excited. 6 mins in and I’m almost devastated. Am I really going to get this lens only because it’s cheaper? The zoom focus ring swap is really killing me as well as the other ergo issues. Wonder if I change my mind by the end of the vid 🤔
Give us an update! :)
@@geraldundoneI have not changed my mind, after you got to the auto focusing rant, I just thought, why did they make such a good lens just to nerf it? I feel like they are doing this on purpose. Saying all this I still can’t afford the G master sooooo 👀
@@geraldundonealso, “I’m Gerald Undone and your an absolute disgrace! You’re A cheat!” 😂
Tamron: You can't have a tripod foot.
Sigma: You MUST have a tripod foot!
I have not played with this Sigma lens - but I have the 24-70 F2.8.... the thing that annoys me about that is that it zooms the wrong way. And what is very annoying is that no-one mentioned it in their reviews. I have honestly thought about selling it and buying the GM because of it because it f**ks with my flow (nothing worse than wanting to zoom in and missing a moment because it zoomed out). Does this lens have the same issue?
How you not get the Sony a9iii to review yet for video?
2 more weeks before the embargo lifts up
All sigma lenses I have the issue with having non linear focus. Drives me nuts and is a bummer since they look so great for filming aswell.
Other reviewers have reported that the manual focus WAS linear with a longer throw distance on the Sigma, which they have found more accurate to use than the Sony. So not sure who to trust here. I guess just try it out when my local store has it in.
@@conacrunch8416 Hmm well my 85mm sure is not linear, but trying yourself is always the best idea
They are capable of adjustable linear control and can be set up to 1080 deg on L Mount
Thought this day would never come.
I think they hit the mark well. Gerald has a big professional audience but the amateurs would be getting pretty close to the GMii and still have enough money for an entire other lens. This lens also makes the equivalent primes look good in their lineup. Parents should get this one for all their kid’s sports and recitals. I mean don’t you want people to hire you for your superior gear and skill?
10:05 It is for one and only reason - to make you buy Sony lens :D the same reason why FB compensation is not working and the Active Stabilization is worse on all nonSony lenses.
You would think that Sigma (or any other lens maker) would bring in an Undonean consultant during the concept phase before going all in on production.
Do you think that with Canon's release of a 24-105 f2.8, we'll get something similar for Sony E mounts from Sigma or Sony?
Listening only with the occasional glance to scrutinize comparison shots, knee-jerk reflex to the word "nipples" was auto-negated until followed by "squirrel had a mouthful" which invoked the freeze response, quickly followed by a rewind to confirm albeit too late, the mental image was starkly implanted, that will teach me to not look away while listening, damn you Gerald.
I lift so weight is no issues at all, plus the collar will fit perfectly in my hands for stability
@GeraldUndone always love to see your reviews! ❤ But you should seriously consider putting your criticism at the very end of your video! The moment I hear the complaints, I'm like OK, nothing here for me and sometimes I don't even bother finishing the video ..
I’d say the “bad ergos” really only hit hard if you’re coming from Sony lenses. If you’ve been in the Sigma camp already, you’re used to the quirks or focus rotations etc. Train your brain around these “issues” and you’ll be fine.
Sigma should make the rings programmable so that you can use either of them to focus/zoom according to your preference as Tamron does
Missing a photo due to some of the limitations of the sigma is probably
More costly for me than the price difference. I had a 70-180 and it was decent for the time before gmii 70-200. The Sony gm2 worth every penny and has made me a lot of sales.
What is going on with that focus noise!?! Is there a tiny WOPR computer inside?
Does it supports teleconverters?
Not for E mount
@@frankfeng2701 ahahaha… another artificial limitation from Sony I think. Because customers need some reasons for paying extra money
It does in L mount
What about focusing in video?
"Please tell me, can I use the Sigma lens with FX 30 cameras?" Will there be any restrictions?
You missed a huge point of contention: teleconverter support.
I’m pretty sure it’s Sony limiting the fps for third party lenses. I also think it’s messed up.
Preordered. Cant wait.
God i hate when the zoom ring is on the outer position on a 70-200 but for the money seems like a capable lens
Are they gonna make a Compact 70-200 2.8 ? Hopefully lol
Good review, but were is the new Tamron 70-180 G2 in this comparison ?
Why is the Sigma talking to the mothership when focusing 😭
I have the GM II sold my left and right vasectomied nutts to get it but hey.. It was worth it..
This lens is a great option for L-mount… and that’s it. I wouldn’t pick it for Sony, there’s better alternatives there. If one can live with the limitations in frame rate and teleconverters, then the G2 Tamron is a better pick, and if one can’t, well, you go with one of the GMs.