I couldn't ask for a better review and comparison than that. I'm going to make the dive into a better set-up soon, and this helped immensely. Keep doing what you're doing, it's just excellent.
I considered a Fanatec DD system when I was selecting a new base but Fanatec don’t ship to my country and the potential overseas supplier that would send it to me would not cover postage if it needed to be returned. I’m glad I went for the SC2 Pro and purchased through Brett at HRS. HRS are amazing at what they do and it was a pleasure ordering through them. The confidence that gives you as someone spending that much money can’t be underestimated. The forums for the SC2 systems are also amazing - the developers are communicating directly with owners and troubleshooting issues in public. Great review Will!
Jees you really do respond to the subscribers. I know we keep telling you to get your head checked but we didn't mean that literally! Seriously though: This is sim racing journalism at its finest... Quality script, accurate info, resonates with the users of each, that's why you have 129 likes right now and 0 thumbs down. QUALITY!
Great video Will, glad you gave both sides such a fair run, I'm in on the fanatec ecosystem right now, but its great they have good competition, nothing like competition to keep fanatec pushing hard to improve. Really appreciate all the time, and the work you put in to make the comparisons fair
I envy him, and I admit: sometimes I am jealous. But he deserves it. He worked hard to make his channel into a succes, he knows what he's talking about and he seems like an honest dude. Next year I hope to upgrade from Logitech G920 to Fanatec Elite, and for sure I will be just as happy as most people with their dd wheels. I litterly count the days and put aside every euro (I am from Holland, same country as Heusinkveld) I can spare. It isn't much, but to me it is as lot.
Logitech g27 user since 2012, still going strong. That's a testament to Logitech's surprising build quality. Just got a real metal sim rig, new gaming computer, 34" LG Ultrawide, and TrackIR. Am more than happy with my current setup. The wheel and buttkickers will be next. My advice for just starting out with limited budget. Buy or build a decent rig, use a decently priced wheel and pedals, get a great gaming computer, and get a decent monitor properly mounted within a couple feet from you so you have a decent field of view. If you want to get the most out of your monitor get TrackIR, unless you go the VR route. As he said these wheels and anything extra such as shakers, wind simulators, motion platforms just add even more to the immersion. I would get a good basis and then when time comes start seeking for that added immersion. Having said this, im just a random RUclipsr so take my advice with a grain of salt.
@@wuzumaki dont know if you ended up getting the pro but I recently went from a DD1 to a simucube 2 pro and its been amazing, FFb is kinda similar in all honesty but the pro is far more refined, smoother, a little faster, and the build quality is for sure better, the QR system is on another level in all honesty, incredibly solid compared to fanatec, software Is also a step ahead with settings not available on fanatec like static force reduction which is great. Fanatec is still a little simpler to use though, both and plug and play but simucube requires more from you to set up, like it won't operate unless you plug in the emergency stop, fanatec does not require this... also every fanatec wheel comes with a QR so you throw it on and go but simucube third party wheels require a base side QR connection. It means there are a whole load of high quality QR solutions out there but it is an added cost to consider. Overall the simucube 2 is awesome though.
@@jinx20001 I actually got the SC2 Pro a few weeks ago, and I do not regret it at all. Still getting used to it not being plug and play like my old Thrustmaster, but imo it's not a dealbreaker. It's definitely not something I would recommend for people that want something easy to use, it's more of an enthusiast product with a whole bunch of possibilites. Build quality is superb, it feels like something that belongs in a real car. I was considering getting a Xero-Play QR system for my wheels, but ended up just getting a whole bunch of Simucube wheelside QR adapters instead, as the stock QR is rock solid, but also a whole lot cheaper. This is also one of the reasons why I did not get the DD2, because the QR had some flex in it.
@@wuzumaki nice, yeh the fanatec quick release is just rubbish, a lot of people say there is no flex but i dont think they really understand the difference between no flex on the simucube and no flex on the fanatec... with the fanatec yes you can have very little to no flex if you try to move the wheel side to side but thats where the confidence ends, nobody would like to really pull on it because you WILL make it flex. the simucube is completely different... you cant even make that thing flex, it gives you so much confidence you imagine you could stand on it and there would be no movement its so solid and that is a big deal i think, nothing better than having full confidence in the build quality.
Some factors would make me choose DD2, besides being an exceptional base. * Varieties of Steering Wheels, at a very good price *No-wires *5 year warranty (I think this would be the main one, after no-wires) ---In addition to compatibility with many games, and having fanalab, where I can create infinite profiles.
I mean to each teir own, but have seen this "a lot of wheels for a good price" too many times. But the superficial overview an average consumer has doesn't show them the more affordable wheels, the likes of Kapral racing, polesimer, simline etc. And most people ignore the fact that for a simple drift steerig wheel from Fanatec, you need the podium hub, which is 200€. Which in combination with play in QR and various build quality problems has driven me personally out of the Fanatec ecosystem. And would much rather have an aditional USB than needing to get every steering wheel fom the same company. So I sold every piece of Fanatec gear and gotten the SC2 Pro. For now all I can say is, it is built like a tank.
We need an updated version of this now that the dd1 and dd2 are so much closer to the simucube in performance lol it would be a great thing to go over again 😄lol
Owned the sc2 pro ,csw 2.5 and DD 2. The sc2 was very crisp, accurate and smooth. I think the paddocks online ffb profiles are great addition to get started racing quick. I do think you're spot on with the sc2 wheel cost and selection. I opted to run an adapter for fanatec wheels and keep my old wheels. Other than that my experience was opposite more consistent on sc2 and more glitches and clumsy jerky feel on the dd2. If had to do it again I would have gone sc2 instead of trying to save a few bucks going dd2.(at that time no idea what prices are now)
ohh finally, i,v been wating this like from january, and you really make an exelent job here, in fact to me this is your best "hardware Review" video: the timing, the tips and impresions are really top-noch and the fact that you are soo neutral, not giving any sing of "fanboy comments" it´s fantastic. thanks for the content and for your dedication to make a really good video
Hi Will, First of all: Thank you for so many great videos. It's always a pleasure to watch you race and review gear! In this video you say that you guess that Fanatec will improve the FFB of the DD-Bases further more with new drivers and firmware. You're video is now 5 months ago. Now we are in February 2021 and the current driver ist the version 400 which came out in January 2021. It would really be great if you could give us an update of how much you think have the latest Fanatec drivers changed your feelings about the FFB. I'm currently racing a Fanatec 2.5 Base with two Fanatec Wheels and only racing on iRacing. I'm thinking about upgrading to direct drive and of course wondering what to buy. So it would really be nice to know your opinion on the changes/improvements (if there are any) on the latest drivers. Thanks so much already!
Thanks for doing this video even shortly after your surgery. Extremely helpful as I have a few friends getting into the hobby and needed more information on what wheelbases to look at. Get well soon!
Good review, I've already made my mind up. Like months ago. Simucube pro, I can get an ultimate for just £300 more new with 0 warranty. Not fussed over the fine tuning filters. You did miss out on the end. About mixable eco systems. Specifically fanatec on simucube with an adapter. About DIY wheels. When it comes to wheels, simucube is by far superior. Only ever owned fanatec.
Quality content and spot on analysis mate, I agree 100% with everything you said having had the DD2 previously and now the SC 2 Pro. I think an important thing to note is that the slightly better quality of FFB and fidelity on the SC product compared to the Fanatec product doesn’t necessarily make you a faster driver, BUT the overall nicer experience with the SC has made me want to hop in my sim more often and thus, improving my lap times due to the increased amount of practice. This is not to say that someone who has DD1/DD2, or any other wheel for that matter, can’t just be happy with what they have and really practice as much as possible to get improved lap times but in my personal opinion, having ‘nicer’ equipment will always make me want more seat time. Anyway hope you feel better soon mate, and keep up the good work! P.s. I recently received the Simcore Z1 dash (Boosted media edition) and it’s pure joy to use, thanks for the recommendation!
I hesitated a long time to switch to SC2 Pro, coming from a DD2, as I expected only tiny improvements regarding FFB quality and was very happy with the DD2. Now that I can compare it, saying as a longtime very satisfied user of Fanatec wheelbases, it knocks the DD2 out of the park! The details and speed are ways ahead of the DD2 which came as a shock to me, regarding different reviews comparing and rating the two devices. Specific examples: Radical in iRacing -> you basically can drive the car with oversteer into corners and still being able to control it with the SC2 Pro whereas there was no chance doing the same with the DD2. Another one: GT3 in iRacing sucked big time with the DD2 (could be a bit improved with irFFB), very hard to actually understand what this cars are doing, with the SC2 Pro though, I actually understand what is happening and can react on it, not sure why though. Yet, it does not solve the problem of the snap oversteer the GT3s still have in iRacing. But it is a much more enjoyable drive with the SC2 Pro. Another thing that I noticed that I do not have anymore at all, is depending on Sim&Car, oscillation issues. Had that with the DD2 occasionally. Last point is the precision regarding built quality, there is absolutely ZERO flex on the SC2 Pro, which is probably not an issue when driving, but still feels very nice. Also the QR release was always kind of a hassle and I tended not to change wheels that often with the DD2, despite of having 3 very expensive wheels. I left it open in the beginning if I would resell the SC2 Pro and keep the DD2 - now after tested it with AC, ACC (still sucks with the SC2, the FFB is JUST weird and does not reflect what you normally feel), rfactor2 and iRacing, I decided to say goodbye to the DD2.
I’m trying to decide between these two wheels. I am in particular interested in compatibility. I like all racing games now and future ones to come out. I have the feeling that I could be severely kept to only true race sims with the simucube but build quality is so much better. I have even read multiple forum accounts of Rfactor 1/2 having issues getting settings to not be terrible as well as acc having tough times to get good feedback. Then there’s some forums I read these popular but slightly older games producing some serious struggle to get them to even recognize the wheel or the feedback to even work slightly correct. I personally want to use the wheel due to its price on even more arcade style titles like grid and crew and apparently even the sim dirt rally 1 and 2 have struggles or might not work. So what has been your opinion for not only the simucube with R factor games and acc where it’s not always easy to either get the stuff to recognize or tune properly, and arcade race games where there may require more workout for not so good output.
@Boosted Media Now with the new Fanatec 447 drivers and firmware and the new Fanalab 1.66 it would be really interesting to see how close Fanatec has gotten now to the SimuCube feeling. My DD1 transformed into a completely new base with this firmware. It is a massive upgrade. Will you be re-doing this compression based on the new firmware and drivers?
Yes! My podium base got so extremely smooth with the new drivers! I already was on the edge of buying a Simucube. But I don’t know if it makes any sense now with the new drivers..
I've had both units, the DD1 and the Simucube 2 Pro. Everything you're saying here is spot on, the QR, the built quality, the response and feel- EVERYTHING on the SC2 is better. There IS a bit more of a difference between True Drive vs Fanalab than I think you highlighted. There are so many more filters and options in True Drive. And the software just works. Fanalab is really lacking in comparison. Way less options, my DD1 would not detect oftentimes, and the filters don't seem to have as much of an effect for in-game feel. I was able to get the SC2 feeling perfect in every game way quicker than I could get the DD1. Your takeaway at 22:20 is right on the mark. The SC2 completely removes the lines between reality and simulation, the DD1 always reminded me it was a game. It's a no brainer.
@@chuckystang there's really high resale value right now for DD1 systems, especially locally. You probably wouldn't lose much, maximum a couple hundred, if you chose to purge and enter the SC2 ecosystem.... IF you wanted to go through the trouble 😝 hahaha.
Stuck with Fanatec because no one else wants to get into the console space. If I didn't fancy jumping into gran turismo ever so often, I'd have not given fanatec a second thought and jumped into a pure PC base a long time ago.
Its a sign, I been looking at the simucube and the fanatec DD2 and this pops up lol Great review, your other reviews on these alone have helped me. I think I am going to take the leap on the Fanatec DD2, it will be my first DD, I had the club sport 2.5 and loved it.
Very good video. It sounds like you can't go wrong with either Fanatec or Simucube. My decision to go with the DD1 vs. VRS or Simucube came down to the ecosystem. I like cleanly integrated systems and was off put by the limited options for wheels for the Simucube & VRS. With the VRS I didn't want to have the external control box and huge control cables. So, I sacrificed the slightly higher fidelity that the Simucube and possibly VRS would give in exchange for the simplicity and ecosystem of the DD1. I think we all made the right choice for ourselves - see you on the track!
I should add that I do notice the "graininess" of the DD1 when in the pits as you said as well as the occasional sharp feedback over tall curbs or when losing control. A bit disappointed on that front but hoping it will be resolved with software. Another minor annoyance is that the instructions are not the best...I accidentally put the DD1 into CSW2.5 mode and the instructions say go look somewhere else because the controls vary from wheel to wheel. Understandable with so many wheels but a bit annoying. In that regard I would say Fanatec isn't really like Apple as they are not that polished...they are more like Microsoft whereas Simucube is perhaps more like Linux.
@@98simracing70hello its been 3 years so I dont expect a response but would you like to tell me if the ffb issues are resolved? Im considering to get the dd1
Up until a couple weeks ago I had purchased two wheelbases since 2017. Unfortunately, over that same period of time I was in ownership of 5. Two V2.5 bases (warrantied once) and THREE DD2 (warrantied TWICE). The current (third) DD2 started losing all power randomly a couple months ago (probably a PS issue). So,I have a Simucube 2 Pro sitting on my desk ready for install now. I always LOVED my DD2.. when it works. I'm happy to say the rest of my Fanatec equipment has been flawless. V3i pedals, shifter, handbrake, all five of my wheels. The wheelbases... Yeah, not so much. I'll take simple and bulletproof over built in gadgetry. Speaking of gadgetry.. he's on point regarding the urge to buy big on wheels on this platform. I have a GTX2 arriving shortly. And I REALLY REALLY like my Fanatec Porsche GT3R rim, but the Apple-ish practices means I would have to settle for a rim that only has 95% of it's features and getting it to that point creates other wonky situations I'd rather not deal with. I'll get my gadgetry elsewhere. I just want the wheelbase to do wheelbase things... like turn.
First of all, get well soon! Great comparison between the systems and I completely agree with your conclusion. But there is one thing that was missing in my point of view. While the initial cost for a wheel in the SC ecosystem is higher, it should be mentioned that you can easily swap the rims on a B16M-SC within minutes, which reduces the costs for multiple wheels over time. Personally, I also was a little bit disappointed by the quality of the Fanatec wheel I owned when I used my CSL wheel base (Black Formula Wheel). In the end, I switched to the SC2 Pro because of the smaller form factor, passive cooling and better build quality overall. I was also concerned because of the Fanatec support and their terms and conditions. As you said, most of these points are subjective and therefor it boils down to your personal preferences.
Found your channel last week after I bought my G923 would you consider a basic how to set up guide for beginners and how to set a wheel up? God speed on your recovery hopefully you're not near Melbourne cause it sucks ass down here
Hi mate. I've done a few guides along those lines. Particularly this playlist: ruclips.net/video/XjcW3qzWTyE/видео.html Thanks for the well wishes. I'm feeling a lot better today and no I'm not in Melbourne :)
Finally fanatec is using a custom servo motor in there new clubsport dd/dd+! Yay i have to say they are some strong ass custom motors. Fanatec says its capped at 15nm but idk man they feel like 20nm. And i know you noticed that also. I remember you saying that the 12nm feels more like 16nm.
great review, thanks for the info. But now am still divided, Simucube 2 pro seems the best choice just because of the true to life experience. Otherwise DD2 has as you said cheaper wheels and software and consistency! But I mostly play RF2, then comes AM2 then lastly .. ACC.. So maybe I still would go for the Simucube 2 pro or wait until they do more refinement and include some console (PS5) support.
With Fanatec its cheaper if you stay in there ecosystem otherwise its the oposite. I have a DD1 with Formula V2 and Porsche 911 GT3 CUP and they are nice wheels. They are nice but not great. There are better options in quality outside Fanatec.
Hi Will, as usual, thx a lot for this video which actually (once again) reflects my own opinion about the subject. I really like the fair and open way you do a comparison like this. I am, so far, very happy with my DD2 but can fully understand why people go for the Simucube. Both systems are well worth the money and you do nothing wrong with either system. I wish you and your family a nice Sunday! Get well soon mate. Regards John
I have not used a simucube before but I will save you the trouble, go Pro vs DD1. My DD1 is fun but honestly feels like a stronger Logitech to me. It is not smooth and feels very robotic. Yes I am running all the latest beta drivers but its just the reality of it. It is also unacceptable that Fanatec still does not have a final driver version that can run without random bangs and knocks. The wheel rims and ecosystem is nice but I quickly realized I wish I just went Simucube first.
Pros are in stock in UK. If anyone needs one,import them. I've put my order on hold, same with my P1-X. I'm going big lol. Tempted to buy a Dbox first. 4k short but got 9k worth of motorbikes, not being used. Ditch the sports for the Harley. 99% of my racing is in vr. Makes sense for £8k.
@@boostedmedia It would be great if you could get hold of the Simplicity SW20-v3 to compare it to, as I believe they use the same base software, just different front end design. The SW20 is about 100 buck cheaper too.
@@boostedmedia Great review! I, as well, am looking forward to a review on the VRS DD. Not as small of a form factor but the price seems to be a little more attainable than the other two brands. People who do have it, seem to love it. Not to mention Barry's(SRG) positive review. Keep up the good work! Cheers!
I still run the Trustmaster T500rs , because I have a nice Simracinghardwear dashboard installed. It's very great for immersion. I think ill up grade to $800-$1500 pedals. Braking is so important. Great video. 👍
Having a T300RS here. Changed the T3PA to the Fanatec V3 as I got them barely used on a bargain. Definitely worth the investment more than in a new wheel. So much worth it that I am almost regretting not just going all out on the pedals right away due to a fear that it will not work too well with the Playseat Challenge.
I’m still running the T500rs wheel/pedals too. The pedals are going soon and will be replaced by Heuskinveld Sprints. Once I get the money again, the wheel will go for a DD wheel. The T500 has been okay, but the pedals let it down too much.
Hey Will! Great comparison and video! Regarding the FFB Quality: Did you tried rFactor2? Did you erase the motor calibration of the Fanatec DD when you tested it? And have you tried the Fanatec DD lately with the latest firmware v381? If so, in your opinion did it improve the FFB feeling and narrowed the gap even more to the SC2 Pro? I recently tried both and made a super simple video about it, and I agree with you, SC2 Pro on rF2 feels more alive (lighter feel, slightly more detail) than the DD1 BUT the laptime is exactly the same and after a couple of laps you forget the differences that I think are now very, very small.
I'm a DD1 user because of availability when my G29 died in February. I was able to test SC2 Pro vs. DD2 (without high torque) at an expo in AC and the SC2 felt worlds better than the DD2 which was running on the 8-bit drivers back then. Of course, coming from a G29 the DD1 is 1000x better, but I do miss the feel of a SC2. And that's also partly because of the Ascher F28 wheel that is more comfortable in your hands compared to the Formula V2. I find Fanatec's NASCAR wheel to be too thin as well. Of course that's very subjective, but I consider my hands "normal" wearing size L in Mechanix gloves and Alpinestars Tech 1 KX. After 6 months of regular, but not crazy often use, I had to file for a RMA with Fanatec for a Motor Firmware issue. This is disappointing and most likely down to building it to a pricepoint, but I do have to give Fanatec credit for having dealt with the RMA quickly and efficiently both in communication and resolving the issue. But still, if I see a used Pro with a Cube or Ascher wheel on sale I'll pull the trigger
I still have a Simucube V1 with a small Mige. I wonder how much better/different the DD1/2 and Simucube V2 is. You ever tried the Simucube V1 with a small Mige? I mean to me it feels awesome and I cant imagine anything better. So I really cant imagine what the V2 can do better.
I just bought a sc2 pro last week and I can say for the price of the accessories, if you just don't have enough budget, you can simply buy thrustmaster pedal and shifter first, then install a steering wheel from the real car if you got one (I have a spare Momo Montecarlo, I know that is stupid cause the thrustmaster gear just like a toy, and I have got no paddle shifters). I think it is more cheaper if you have to buy all gear at once because you have to at least buy one more Fanatec wheel for the dd1/2 if you don't have any Fanatec gear....
i had both dd2 and sc2 pro. totally agree with you. i love the SC2 PRO miles apart from dd2 i also experienced this weird clunking mechanical feel on the dd2. it was really off porting, and couldnt dial it out at all
Regarding smoothness on the DD1/2, have you tried running no dampers? I usually have all three set to 0 and it feels so smooth to me... but I've never tried a Simucube...
THEY BLEW UP WILL'S BRAIN!!! (I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself. And with the way this year is gone... they might have tried!!!) That said, I've had a dermatologist most of my life, and I've dealt with cyst removal myself. The worst was on the back of my leg though, and I don't remember getting any groovy painkillers. (*sigh*) Party on Will!!! (*crazy guitar sounds*)
I have thebDD1 and only thing is fanatic needs to work on the quick connection before anything it sucks no matter what there is play movement probably doesn’t effect the driving that much but after watching this sims cube is coming my way lol
Great job Will. Im very curious about the DD base. Never used one, I just got the CSW 2.5 with Forza rim and to be honest I love it on Iracing. It also works good with Nascar2003. But I would love to try one of those DD.
Tbh when you show the back of the SC and DDs I feel the latter are built more professionally. You don't see tape or so many wires coming out. DD's look better built imo. Also, I don't have any flex at all on my DD1 with QR. In fact I haven't upgraded it to QR2 as it works just flawlessly. Was I just lucky? Also not having any mechanical clunks in the DD1. Setup? Anyway thanks for the video. I would love to test a SC2. Curious about how they are different.
Hey Will, amazing video! I had a question about a point you make in the video: When you say the the DD2 works better across various sims, does that mean that the SC2 is incapable of getting the same FFB as the DD2 in those simcade titles, or is it just easier to achieve a decent feel with the Podium? I am someone who is going to be purchasing one of these two bases, but I do tend to jump around sims quite a bit and I also enjoy the more simcade style games when using the rig with my wife. I'm not afraid of spending time with the software to make it work and I've used the true drive software previously (I owned an SC2 pro for 8 months last year but sold it to a friend after a big and expensive move, just didn't have the space or time until recently) but if the fanatec is just better across the board and more consistent I'm not sure if the SC2 is the right choice for me given I only spend a third of my time in Iracing where the SC2 really shines.
End of this year ( black friday) I think I will finally pull the trigger on the simucube 2 pro and a cube wheel and get rid of my csw 2.5. Watching this and the previous videos of the comparison the third or fourth time now to really work every of your points in but everything points towards simucube for me
I just ordered a SC2 pro last night with cube controls gt momo wheel. Coming from a DD2. I honestly am no longer a fan of fanatec as their support for their DD bases has been atrocious. I've also read many horror stories dealing with tech support/RMA's. IMO it shouldn't have taken this long to get the drivers and firmware updated beyond beta. For the money I'd rather deal with another company (and better FFB is a plus). They aren't even good about responding to people on their forums...
@@andybradford6969 xD I think im either gonna go with a Fanatec CS DD+ or a SimuCube 2 Pro. The reason being that the DD+ is using a new wheel mount, that is on par with the SemiCube. But idk.. a lot of revierws still say that the "smoothness" on the simucube is 10/10. Compared to maybe 8/10 on the Fanatec. On the other hand, Semicube is a bit annoying when it comes to connecting wheels (with buttons), as it basically only has wireless connection lol.
great comparison man keep it up , can you make a video on OSW MMOs & VNM please to tell us your opinion about it????PLEASE isn the outrunner motor is considered as a servo motor also?
Hi, really enjoy the videos and have watched most of them about products and selections. My biggest question comes in way of pedals and the entire system and was wondering what you would select if trying to use one setup on both XBox and PC. I think I am pretty sold on DD1, the rest is a little more vague...
Great video. As a totally new sim racer who is on his way to buying a full motion VR setup. Is there any way you could make a video showing an updated or current Fanatec settings video, for the dd1/2 force feeeback etc and wheel settings to get newbies like me up and running faster? Might give me a huge shortcut in first time setup to something that won’t feel disappointing right off the bat/
Will you're the best of the best buddy best father best RUclipsr best sim racer You explain stuff in much details that we can understand u clearly like You take all that time so we dont have to search or Do stuff thank you will and i hope you're healed faster after that surgery ✨
the Fanatec wheels being less reliable coupled with garbage support means anyone shopping should think very seriously about the consequences of being stuck out of warranty with one of these.
Has anybody actually got that OLED display to work?? It shows but doesn't update...just 000 everywhere... FANATEC firmware is abysmal!! DD2 does feel bloody wonderful with AMS2 though...🤤 Great vid as always dude!
I'm about to invest in the Simucube 2 Pro, but i really like a rally style of wheel -- like the one Fanatec has which you showed a short glimpse off. Are there any similar wireless wheels for the SC2 or can i fit the Fanatec wheel?
Hey Will! I have been fighting myself with the decision between a Simucube or the dd2. I'll be upgrading from a t500rs with the pro pedals. I guess it comes down to the all mighty dollar. I can get the dd2 with the porsche rim and v3 pedals with hydraulic damper for $2832. My heart tells me to at least go with the Simucube pro, but by the time I get a rim and new pedals I'll probably be significantly higher. What would you recommend? Availability send to be an issue as well. But I want to make the right choice and not wish I'd have done something else...🤔
@@gavancorrigan8813 do to availability at the time, I ended up with the DD2 and the Porsche rim. Skipped the V3 pedals and became an early adapter of the SIMForge Mark1 pedals. No regrets all the way around. Everything is awesome!
@@TopperPatriot88 thanks man. Appreciate the reply and congrats on the setup. Sounds awesome!! 🎤Everything is awesome Everything is cool when you're part of a team Everything is awesome When you're living out a dream
On the long range, I know Fanatec will brake or burn , as my Clubsport 2.0 burnt, and my Clubsport 2.5 broke, out out of warranty. Never more will I pick this brand .
![Kodak Black - Sharp Vibes [Official Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/oEV0OoLJeIs/mqdefault.jpg)
Would love a blind test. That would bring your tests and comparisons on an even higher level of credibility
I couldn't ask for a better review and comparison than that. I'm going to make the dive into a better set-up soon, and this helped immensely. Keep doing what you're doing, it's just excellent.
Great comparisson! You told everything important about every base in a way that's clear for everyone. Get well soon!
I considered a Fanatec DD system when I was selecting a new base but Fanatec don’t ship to my country and the potential overseas supplier that would send it to me would not cover postage if it needed to be returned.
I’m glad I went for the SC2 Pro and purchased through Brett at HRS.
HRS are amazing at what they do and it was a pleasure ordering through them. The confidence that gives you as someone spending that much money can’t be underestimated.
The forums for the SC2 systems are also amazing - the developers are communicating directly with owners and troubleshooting issues in public.
Great review Will!
Now this is how to drop some creds... “But to my eye, having worked in military grade electronics manufacturing and repair for seven years”..
Jees you really do respond to the subscribers. I know we keep telling you to get your head checked but we didn't mean that literally!
Seriously though: This is sim racing journalism at its finest... Quality script, accurate info, resonates with the users of each, that's why you have 129 likes right now and 0 thumbs down. QUALITY!
Great video Will, glad you gave both sides such a fair run, I'm in on the fanatec ecosystem right now, but its great they have good competition, nothing like competition to keep fanatec pushing hard to improve. Really appreciate all the time, and the work you put in to make the comparisons fair
This dude has 4 dd wheels in front of him and I can’t even afford to keep my g29 working.
What your g29 is dead?
@@junpreet9261 g29 is dead
No
@@1jayzed636 than what's the problem with g29?
I envy him, and I admit: sometimes I am jealous. But he deserves it. He worked hard to make his channel into a succes, he knows what he's talking about and he seems like an honest dude. Next year I hope to upgrade from Logitech G920 to Fanatec Elite, and for sure I will be just as happy as most people with their dd wheels. I litterly count the days and put aside every euro (I am from Holland, same country as Heusinkveld) I can spare. It isn't much, but to me it is as lot.
@@MrMikap74 all the best then, have fun with your new wheel.
😄👍
I'm only 5 minutes in, but I love the way you explain everything. True Master of Sim Racing hardware. Thank you for pushing through while you recover.
Thanks a lot mate.
I cant remember anything so not sure how i can expect my muscles to either. Im just glad games tell me when im going the wrong way.
Logitech g27 user since 2012, still going strong. That's a testament to Logitech's surprising build quality. Just got a real metal sim rig, new gaming computer, 34" LG Ultrawide, and TrackIR. Am more than happy with my current setup. The wheel and buttkickers will be next. My advice for just starting out with limited budget. Buy or build a decent rig, use a decently priced wheel and pedals, get a great gaming computer, and get a decent monitor properly mounted within a couple feet from you so you have a decent field of view. If you want to get the most out of your monitor get TrackIR, unless you go the VR route. As he said these wheels and anything extra such as shakers, wind simulators, motion platforms just add even more to the immersion. I would get a good basis and then when time comes start seeking for that added immersion. Having said this, im just a random RUclipsr so take my advice with a grain of salt.
Got my SC2 Pro yesterday. I'm in love.
I'm thinking about getting the Pro too. Are you still happy with the purchase today?
@@wuzumaki dont know if you ended up getting the pro but I recently went from a DD1 to a simucube 2 pro and its been amazing, FFb is kinda similar in all honesty but the pro is far more refined, smoother, a little faster, and the build quality is for sure better, the QR system is on another level in all honesty, incredibly solid compared to fanatec, software Is also a step ahead with settings not available on fanatec like static force reduction which is great.
Fanatec is still a little simpler to use though, both and plug and play but simucube requires more from you to set up, like it won't operate unless you plug in the emergency stop, fanatec does not require this... also every fanatec wheel comes with a QR so you throw it on and go but simucube third party wheels require a base side QR connection. It means there are a whole load of high quality QR solutions out there but it is an added cost to consider.
Overall the simucube 2 is awesome though.
@@jinx20001 I actually got the SC2 Pro a few weeks ago, and I do not regret it at all. Still getting used to it not being plug and play like my old Thrustmaster, but imo it's not a dealbreaker. It's definitely not something I would recommend for people that want something easy to use, it's more of an enthusiast product with a whole bunch of possibilites. Build quality is superb, it feels like something that belongs in a real car.
I was considering getting a Xero-Play QR system for my wheels, but ended up just getting a whole bunch of Simucube wheelside QR adapters instead, as the stock QR is rock solid, but also a whole lot cheaper. This is also one of the reasons why I did not get the DD2, because the QR had some flex in it.
@@wuzumaki nice, yeh the fanatec quick release is just rubbish, a lot of people say there is no flex but i dont think they really understand the difference between no flex on the simucube and no flex on the fanatec... with the fanatec yes you can have very little to no flex if you try to move the wheel side to side but thats where the confidence ends, nobody would like to really pull on it because you WILL make it flex. the simucube is completely different... you cant even make that thing flex, it gives you so much confidence you imagine you could stand on it and there would be no movement its so solid and that is a big deal i think, nothing better than having full confidence in the build quality.
Some factors would make me choose DD2, besides being an exceptional base.
* Varieties of Steering Wheels, at a very good price
*No-wires
*5 year warranty (I think this would be the main one, after no-wires)
---In addition to compatibility with many games, and having fanalab, where I can create infinite profiles.
I mean to each teir own, but have seen this "a lot of wheels for a good price" too many times. But the superficial overview an average consumer has doesn't show them the more affordable wheels, the likes of Kapral racing, polesimer, simline etc. And most people ignore the fact that for a simple drift steerig wheel from Fanatec, you need the podium hub, which is 200€. Which in combination with play in QR and various build quality problems has driven me personally out of the Fanatec ecosystem. And would much rather have an aditional USB than needing to get every steering wheel fom the same company. So I sold every piece of Fanatec gear and gotten the SC2 Pro. For now all I can say is, it is built like a tank.
@@nejcmirtic529 Yes, i agree with you. SC2 PRO is built to last a long time.
We need an updated version of this now that the dd1 and dd2 are so much closer to the simucube in performance lol it would be a great thing to go over again 😄lol
Owned the sc2 pro ,csw 2.5 and DD 2. The sc2 was very crisp, accurate and smooth. I think the paddocks online ffb profiles are great addition to get started racing quick. I do think you're spot on with the sc2 wheel cost and selection. I opted to run an adapter for fanatec wheels and keep my old wheels. Other than that my experience was opposite more consistent on sc2 and more glitches and clumsy jerky feel on the dd2. If had to do it again I would have gone sc2 instead of trying to save a few bucks going dd2.(at that time no idea what prices are now)
I completely agree that high-end gear is about immersion more so than speed. I will say that the DD1 allows me to catch more spins than my G27 did...
he he... this very big change I felt upgrading from g27 to t500, but going to a dd wheel probably is huge.
Great stuff Will. I would say you are building the best sim racing channel on RUclips. 👍
This is the video I've been waiting for!! Excellent review great insights.
Thanks Joe :)
Very thorough review video Will, heal up soon!
Great video, Will. Great to see that there's no real "wrong" decision with either of these.
Good to see you back. Hope all went well with your Op.
Thanks mate. All good so far. Pain is a lot less today.
ohh finally, i,v been wating this like from january, and you really make an exelent job here, in fact to me this is your best "hardware Review" video: the timing, the tips and impresions are really top-noch and the fact that you are soo neutral, not giving any sing of "fanboy comments" it´s fantastic. thanks for the content and for your dedication to make a really good video
Hi Will,
First of all: Thank you for so many great videos. It's always a pleasure to watch you race and review gear!
In this video you say that you guess that Fanatec will improve the FFB of the DD-Bases further more with new drivers and firmware. You're video is now 5 months ago. Now we are in February 2021 and the current driver ist the version 400 which came out in January 2021. It would really be great if you could give us an update of how much you think have the latest Fanatec drivers changed your feelings about the FFB.
I'm currently racing a Fanatec 2.5 Base with two Fanatec Wheels and only racing on iRacing. I'm thinking about upgrading to direct drive and of course wondering what to buy. So it would really be nice to know your opinion on the changes/improvements (if there are any) on the latest drivers.
Thanks so much already!
Thanks for doing this video even shortly after your surgery. Extremely helpful as I have a few friends getting into the hobby and needed more information on what wheelbases to look at. Get well soon!
Good review, I've already made my mind up. Like months ago. Simucube pro, I can get an ultimate for just £300 more new with 0 warranty. Not fussed over the fine tuning filters. You did miss out on the end. About mixable eco systems. Specifically fanatec on simucube with an adapter. About DIY wheels. When it comes to wheels, simucube is by far superior. Only ever owned fanatec.
Quality content and spot on analysis mate, I agree 100% with everything you said having had the DD2 previously and now the SC 2 Pro. I think an important thing to note is that the slightly better quality of FFB and fidelity on the SC product compared to the Fanatec product doesn’t necessarily make you a faster driver, BUT the overall nicer experience with the SC has made me want to hop in my sim more often and thus, improving my lap times due to the increased amount of practice. This is not to say that someone who has DD1/DD2, or any other wheel for that matter, can’t just be happy with what they have and really practice as much as possible to get improved lap times but in my personal opinion, having ‘nicer’ equipment will always make me want more seat time. Anyway hope you feel better soon mate, and keep up the good work!
P.s. I recently received the Simcore Z1 dash (Boosted media edition) and it’s pure joy to use, thanks for the recommendation!
I hesitated a long time to switch to SC2 Pro, coming from a DD2, as I expected only tiny improvements regarding FFB quality and was very happy with the DD2. Now that I can compare it, saying as a longtime very satisfied user of Fanatec wheelbases, it knocks the DD2 out of the park! The details and speed are ways ahead of the DD2 which came as a shock to me, regarding different reviews comparing and rating the two devices. Specific examples: Radical in iRacing -> you basically can drive the car with oversteer into corners and still being able to control it with the SC2 Pro whereas there was no chance doing the same with the DD2. Another one: GT3 in iRacing sucked big time with the DD2 (could be a bit improved with irFFB), very hard to actually understand what this cars are doing, with the SC2 Pro though, I actually understand what is happening and can react on it, not sure why though. Yet, it does not solve the problem of the snap oversteer the GT3s still have in iRacing. But it is a much more enjoyable drive with the SC2 Pro.
Another thing that I noticed that I do not have anymore at all, is depending on Sim&Car, oscillation issues. Had that with the DD2 occasionally.
Last point is the precision regarding built quality, there is absolutely ZERO flex on the SC2 Pro, which is probably not an issue when driving, but still feels very nice. Also the QR release was always kind of a hassle and I tended not to change wheels that often with the DD2, despite of having 3 very expensive wheels.
I left it open in the beginning if I would resell the SC2 Pro and keep the DD2 - now after tested it with AC, ACC (still sucks with the SC2, the FFB is JUST weird and does not reflect what you normally feel), rfactor2 and iRacing, I decided to say goodbye to the DD2.
I’m trying to decide between these two wheels. I am in particular interested in compatibility. I like all racing games now and future ones to come out. I have the feeling that I could be severely kept to only true race sims with the simucube but build quality is so much better. I have even read multiple forum accounts of Rfactor 1/2 having issues getting settings to not be terrible as well as acc having tough times to get good feedback. Then there’s some forums I read these popular but slightly older games producing some serious struggle to get them to even recognize the wheel or the feedback to even work slightly correct. I personally want to use the wheel due to its price on even more arcade style titles like grid and crew and apparently even the sim dirt rally 1 and 2 have struggles or might not work. So what has been your opinion for not only the simucube with R factor games and acc where it’s not always easy to either get the stuff to recognize or tune properly, and arcade race games where there may require more workout for not so good output.
Bought the Sport today🙂 going to be perfect for what I want
How have you been enjoying it?
@@lukebraddford3287 love it. It was all I needed.
Thanks for the content. This comparison was needed. Keep it up!
@Boosted Media Now with the new Fanatec 447 drivers and firmware and the new Fanalab 1.66 it would be really interesting to see how close Fanatec has gotten now to the SimuCube feeling. My DD1 transformed into a completely new base with this firmware. It is a massive upgrade. Will you be re-doing this compression based on the new firmware and drivers?
Thanks for the update. I just snagged a Fanatec DD base with the Black Friday sale. Can’t wait to try it out!
Yes!
My podium base got so extremely smooth with the new drivers!
I already was on the edge of buying a Simucube. But I don’t know if it makes any sense now with the new drivers..
Funny you put your hand on the wrong Simucube bases at the conclusion ;) All in all cool review, thank you!
Haha yeah I noticed that. Was reading from a teleprompter and lost track of what order they were in on the table. Lol
I've had both units, the DD1 and the Simucube 2 Pro. Everything you're saying here is spot on, the QR, the built quality, the response and feel- EVERYTHING on the SC2 is better. There IS a bit more of a difference between True Drive vs Fanalab than I think you highlighted. There are so many more filters and options in True Drive. And the software just works. Fanalab is really lacking in comparison. Way less options, my DD1 would not detect oftentimes, and the filters don't seem to have as much of an effect for in-game feel. I was able to get the SC2 feeling perfect in every game way quicker than I could get the DD1. Your takeaway at 22:20 is right on the mark. The SC2 completely removes the lines between reality and simulation, the DD1 always reminded me it was a game. It's a no brainer.
This is why I am not happy with my DD1, it feels extremely artificial.
@@chuckystang there's really high resale value right now for DD1 systems, especially locally. You probably wouldn't lose much, maximum a couple hundred, if you chose to purge and enter the SC2 ecosystem.... IF you wanted to go through the trouble 😝 hahaha.
@@atIas-hugged thanks, so true. I just ordered another Fanatec rim hahaha Doh! The ecosystem of Fanatec sucks you in hard
Would be cool to get an update on this with all the driver advances!
Yep definitely, I just bought DD1 today leaning on the fact that the drivers are far better nowadays than a year ago. Hope I am right
I refunded my DD1 order 12hrs after I placed it and bought Simucube 2 Pro, just overwhelming positive reviews in favour of Sc2 over DD1 and DD2.
Stuck with Fanatec because no one else wants to get into the console space. If I didn't fancy jumping into gran turismo ever so often, I'd have not given fanatec a second thought and jumped into a pure PC base a long time ago.
Its a sign, I been looking at the simucube and the fanatec DD2 and this pops up lol
Great review, your other reviews on these alone have helped me.
I think I am going to take the leap on the Fanatec DD2, it will be my first DD, I had the club sport 2.5 and loved it.
Just for everyone's info amidst the covid situation I ordered and received my DD1 and Pedals and rim from Fanatec in 6 days in the us.
Simucube is also readily in stock everywhere right now and arrives to US in 2-3 days, so don’t shortchange yourself 👍🏻
@@callsignbh Not in the USA. The USA dealer will not have the Simucube bases available until December.
Same, got my DD1 in less than 10 days
RuffRider who cares about the US distributor? Order from SRB and have them ship to US. Mine was here, in the USA, 2 days after I ordered it.
@@callsignbh SRB what company is that?
Nice job; a relatable comparison, and nobody can credibly complain that you did not provide plenty of disclaimers.
I think a lot of people were waiting for something like this. Great work.
Very good video. It sounds like you can't go wrong with either Fanatec or Simucube. My decision to go with the DD1 vs. VRS or Simucube came down to the ecosystem. I like cleanly integrated systems and was off put by the limited options for wheels for the Simucube & VRS. With the VRS I didn't want to have the external control box and huge control cables. So, I sacrificed the slightly higher fidelity that the Simucube and possibly VRS would give in exchange for the simplicity and ecosystem of the DD1.
I think we all made the right choice for ourselves - see you on the track!
I should add that I do notice the "graininess" of the DD1 when in the pits as you said as well as the occasional sharp feedback over tall curbs or when losing control. A bit disappointed on that front but hoping it will be resolved with software.
Another minor annoyance is that the instructions are not the best...I accidentally put the DD1 into CSW2.5 mode and the instructions say go look somewhere else because the controls vary from wheel to wheel. Understandable with so many wheels but a bit annoying. In that regard I would say Fanatec isn't really like Apple as they are not that polished...they are more like Microsoft whereas Simucube is perhaps more like Linux.
@@98simracing70hello its been 3 years so I dont expect a response but would you like to tell me if the ffb issues are resolved? Im considering to get the dd1
been waiting for this for a while, almost pulled the trigger in the meantime, but managed to hold back 😁 gonna do after finished watching 🤑
Up until a couple weeks ago I had purchased two wheelbases since 2017. Unfortunately, over that same period of time I was in ownership of 5. Two V2.5 bases (warrantied once) and THREE DD2 (warrantied TWICE). The current (third) DD2 started losing all power randomly a couple months ago (probably a PS issue). So,I have a Simucube 2 Pro sitting on my desk ready for install now. I always LOVED my DD2.. when it works. I'm happy to say the rest of my Fanatec equipment has been flawless. V3i pedals, shifter, handbrake, all five of my wheels. The wheelbases... Yeah, not so much. I'll take simple and bulletproof over built in gadgetry. Speaking of gadgetry.. he's on point regarding the urge to buy big on wheels on this platform. I have a GTX2 arriving shortly. And I REALLY REALLY like my Fanatec Porsche GT3R rim, but the Apple-ish practices means I would have to settle for a rim that only has 95% of it's features and getting it to that point creates other wonky situations I'd rather not deal with. I'll get my gadgetry elsewhere. I just want the wheelbase to do wheelbase things... like turn.
Appreciate the honest review. Thanks
First of all, get well soon!
Great comparison between the systems and I completely agree with your conclusion. But there is one thing that was missing in my point of view. While the initial cost for a wheel in the SC ecosystem is higher, it should be mentioned that you can easily swap the rims on a B16M-SC within minutes, which reduces the costs for multiple wheels over time. Personally, I also was a little bit disappointed by the quality of the Fanatec wheel I owned when I used my CSL wheel base (Black Formula Wheel).
In the end, I switched to the SC2 Pro because of the smaller form factor, passive cooling and better build quality overall. I was also concerned because of the Fanatec support and their terms and conditions. As you said, most of these points are subjective and therefor it boils down to your personal preferences.
Damn, feel better man! Sometimes getting back to normality is the best distraction and medicine.
Found your channel last week after I bought my G923 would you consider a basic how to set up guide for beginners and how to set a wheel up? God speed on your recovery hopefully you're not near Melbourne cause it sucks ass down here
Hi mate. I've done a few guides along those lines. Particularly this playlist: ruclips.net/video/XjcW3qzWTyE/видео.html
Thanks for the well wishes. I'm feeling a lot better today and no I'm not in Melbourne :)
Welcome to the simracing community, I recommend that you start league racing
Great review mate, bought an SC2 Sport from Brett today. So excited
You’ll love it.
Amazing review! Hope you are all well after your surgery 💪
Great review, even if not in my native language It helped me a lot to choose my direct drive for my next sim. Thank you
You’re welcome. I’m glad it helped.
What did you choose?
Big part of going Fanatec for me is all the rims I can choose from.
You can use fanatec wheels with simucube tho.
@@danielkerr4100 I didnt know this. Thanks
Finally fanatec is using a custom servo motor in there new clubsport dd/dd+! Yay i have to say they are some strong ass custom motors. Fanatec says its capped at 15nm but idk man they feel like 20nm. And i know you noticed that also. I remember you saying that the 12nm feels more like 16nm.
great review, thanks for the info. But now am still divided, Simucube 2 pro seems the best choice just because of the true to life experience. Otherwise DD2 has as you said cheaper wheels and software and consistency! But I mostly play RF2, then comes AM2 then lastly .. ACC.. So maybe I still would go for the Simucube 2 pro or wait until they do more refinement and include some console (PS5) support.
With Fanatec its cheaper if you stay in there ecosystem otherwise its the oposite. I have a DD1 with Formula V2 and Porsche 911 GT3 CUP and they are nice wheels. They are nice but not great. There are better options in quality outside Fanatec.
Hi Will, as usual, thx a lot for this video which actually (once again) reflects my own opinion about the subject. I really like the fair and open way you do a comparison like this.
I am, so far, very happy with my DD2 but can fully understand why people go for the Simucube.
Both systems are well worth the money and you do nothing wrong with either system.
I wish you and your family a nice Sunday! Get well soon mate.
Regards
John
Cysts, c'mon Will, you had them install that head tracking input device 'cause you hate wires, right?
Lol its that or he installed that muscle memory mod.
I have not used a simucube before but I will save you the trouble, go Pro vs DD1. My DD1 is fun but honestly feels like a stronger Logitech to me. It is not smooth and feels very robotic. Yes I am running all the latest beta drivers but its just the reality of it. It is also unacceptable that Fanatec still does not have a final driver version that can run without random bangs and knocks. The wheel rims and ecosystem is nice but I quickly realized I wish I just went Simucube first.
Excellent review and comment, Will. Enjoyed your perspective immensely. Thanks. Hope you don't get too itchy under those bandages.
Love it will hope you get better soon now i'm really sure wich i am gonna buy!
What an epic Rockstar! Dedicated to his Channel no matter what! BM for President!
Lol! Thanks Chris.
respektable! your analysis of the whole topic is extremly good! well done mate ! greetz from austria!
I'd love to hear a follow up on this. Has fanatec improved since this was filmed?
Pros are in stock in UK. If anyone needs one,import them. I've put my order on hold, same with my P1-X. I'm going big lol. Tempted to buy a Dbox first. 4k short but got 9k worth of motorbikes, not being used. Ditch the sports for the Harley. 99% of my racing is in vr. Makes sense for £8k.
Been waiting for this video for so long!! Next you have to do the VRS base though 😂
Still waiting on mine to arrive. Should be here soon. Was hoping it would be here in time to include in the mix for this series.
@@boostedmedia It would be great if you could get hold of the Simplicity SW20-v3 to compare it to, as I believe they use the same base software, just different front end design. The SW20 is about 100 buck cheaper too.
@@boostedmedia Great review! I, as well, am looking forward to a review on the VRS DD. Not as small of a form factor but the price seems to be a little more attainable than the other two brands. People who do have it, seem to love it. Not to mention Barry's(SRG) positive review. Keep up the good work! Cheers!
Well done Will!
In my opinion very objective, thank you an get well!
proper and objective review.. refreshing
I still run the Trustmaster T500rs , because I have a nice Simracinghardwear dashboard installed. It's very great for immersion. I think ill up grade to $800-$1500 pedals. Braking is so important. Great video. 👍
Having a T300RS here. Changed the T3PA to the Fanatec V3 as I got them barely used on a bargain. Definitely worth the investment more than in a new wheel. So much worth it that I am almost regretting not just going all out on the pedals right away due to a fear that it will not work too well with the Playseat Challenge.
I’m still running the T500rs wheel/pedals too. The pedals are going soon and will be replaced by Heuskinveld Sprints. Once I get the money again, the wheel will go for a DD wheel. The T500 has been okay, but the pedals let it down too much.
Hey Will! Great comparison and video! Regarding the FFB Quality:
Did you tried rFactor2?
Did you erase the motor calibration of the Fanatec DD when you tested it?
And have you tried the Fanatec DD lately with the latest firmware v381? If so, in your opinion did it improve the FFB feeling and narrowed the gap even more to the SC2 Pro?
I recently tried both and made a super simple video about it, and I agree with you, SC2 Pro on rF2 feels more alive (lighter feel, slightly more detail) than the DD1 BUT the laptime is exactly the same and after a couple of laps you forget the differences that I think are now very, very small.
Fantastic Job Will👍
Superb content as always! Consider now please a brief comparison between CSW 2.5 & DD1 after the latest update! Thanks!
I don’t have a CSW2.5 anymore unfortunately. May have to buy another one I think. We’ll see.
@@boostedmedia didn't expect a reply! Thank sir, keep up with the great content!!
BRILIANT video dude
I'm a DD1 user because of availability when my G29 died in February. I was able to test SC2 Pro vs. DD2 (without high torque) at an expo in AC and the SC2 felt worlds better than the DD2 which was running on the 8-bit drivers back then.
Of course, coming from a G29 the DD1 is 1000x better, but I do miss the feel of a SC2. And that's also partly because of the Ascher F28 wheel that is more comfortable in your hands compared to the Formula V2. I find Fanatec's NASCAR wheel to be too thin as well. Of course that's very subjective, but I consider my hands "normal" wearing size L in Mechanix gloves and Alpinestars Tech 1 KX.
After 6 months of regular, but not crazy often use, I had to file for a RMA with Fanatec for a Motor Firmware issue. This is disappointing and most likely down to building it to a pricepoint, but I do have to give Fanatec credit for having dealt with the RMA quickly and efficiently both in communication and resolving the issue.
But still, if I see a used Pro with a Cube or Ascher wheel on sale I'll pull the trigger
I still have a Simucube V1 with a small Mige. I wonder how much better/different the DD1/2 and Simucube V2 is. You ever tried the Simucube V1 with a small Mige? I mean to me it feels awesome and I cant imagine anything better. So I really cant imagine what the V2 can do better.
I do not understand why people like Mechanix gloves, they have zero grip. Golf gloves are 100 times better.
Have you tried raceroom yet, its an absolutly awesome sim! Awesome FF and sound!
I just bought a sc2 pro last week and I can say for the price of the accessories, if you just don't have enough budget, you can simply buy thrustmaster pedal and shifter first, then install a steering wheel from the real car if you got one (I have a spare Momo Montecarlo, I know that is stupid cause the thrustmaster gear just like a toy, and I have got no paddle shifters). I think it is more cheaper if you have to buy all gear at once because you have to at least buy one more Fanatec wheel for the dd1/2 if you don't have any Fanatec gear....
i had both dd2 and sc2 pro. totally agree with you. i love the SC2 PRO miles apart from dd2
i also experienced this weird clunking mechanical feel on the dd2. it was really off porting, and couldnt dial it out at all
If you delete the calibration data it's much better.
Regarding smoothness on the DD1/2, have you tried running no dampers? I usually have all three set to 0 and it feels so smooth to me... but I've never tried a Simucube...
get well soon. 🧡
THEY BLEW UP WILL'S BRAIN!!!
(I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself. And with the way this year is gone... they might have tried!!!)
That said, I've had a dermatologist most of my life, and I've dealt with cyst removal myself. The worst was on the back of my leg though, and I don't remember getting any groovy painkillers. (*sigh*) Party on Will!!! (*crazy guitar sounds*)
Yah, he can't fool us, he had a brain transplant.
I have thebDD1 and only thing is fanatic needs to work on the quick connection before anything it sucks no matter what there is play movement probably doesn’t effect the driving that much but after watching this sims cube is coming my way lol
Great job Will. Im very curious about the DD base. Never used one, I just got the CSW 2.5 with Forza rim and to be honest I love it on Iracing. It also works good with Nascar2003. But I would love to try one of those DD.
Tbh when you show the back of the SC and DDs I feel the latter are built more professionally. You don't see tape or so many wires coming out. DD's look better built imo. Also, I don't have any flex at all on my DD1 with QR. In fact I haven't upgraded it to QR2 as it works just flawlessly. Was I just lucky? Also not having any mechanical clunks in the DD1. Setup? Anyway thanks for the video. I would love to test a SC2. Curious about how they are different.
Hey Will, amazing video! I had a question about a point you make in the video: When you say the the DD2 works better across various sims, does that mean that the SC2 is incapable of getting the same FFB as the DD2 in those simcade titles, or is it just easier to achieve a decent feel with the Podium?
I am someone who is going to be purchasing one of these two bases, but I do tend to jump around sims quite a bit and I also enjoy the more simcade style games when using the rig with my wife.
I'm not afraid of spending time with the software to make it work and I've used the true drive software previously (I owned an SC2 pro for 8 months last year but sold it to a friend after a big and expensive move, just didn't have the space or time until recently) but if the fanatec is just better across the board and more consistent I'm not sure if the SC2 is the right choice for me given I only spend a third of my time in Iracing where the SC2 really shines.
Great video. Get well.
Got a hectic life and when I wanna simrace I just want ease of use so I think Fanatec will be good for me. Thanks.
End of this year ( black friday) I think I will finally pull the trigger on the simucube 2 pro and a cube wheel and get rid of my csw 2.5. Watching this and the previous videos of the comparison the third or fourth time now to really work every of your points in but everything points towards simucube for me
Anywhere I can buy a csl elite or dd1?
Great video!!
I just ordered a SC2 pro last night with cube controls gt momo wheel. Coming from a DD2. I honestly am no longer a fan of fanatec as their support for their DD bases has been atrocious. I've also read many horror stories dealing with tech support/RMA's. IMO it shouldn't have taken this long to get the drivers and firmware updated beyond beta. For the money I'd rather deal with another company (and better FFB is a plus). They aren't even good about responding to people on their forums...
£300 ish Wheel with a funky switch would make the simucube so compelling.
The amount of times iv changed my mind in the last week is crazy, I still don't know what one to get.
Sc2pro
@@Dj1Kreationz I want compatibility I play a lot of weird games and I just want it to plug and play
same. what did you end up getting?
@@RabbitConfirmed still haven’t pulled the trigger lol
@@andybradford6969 xD I think im either gonna go with a Fanatec CS DD+ or a SimuCube 2 Pro.
The reason being that the DD+ is using a new wheel mount, that is on par with the SemiCube.
But idk.. a lot of revierws still say that the "smoothness" on the simucube is 10/10. Compared to maybe 8/10 on the Fanatec.
On the other hand, Semicube is a bit annoying when it comes to connecting wheels (with buttons), as it basically only has wireless connection lol.
great comparison man keep it up , can you make a video on OSW MMOs & VNM please to tell us your opinion about it????PLEASE
isn the outrunner motor is considered as a servo motor also?
yes you're right outrunner is just a type of servo motor that Fanatec uses
@@krzysztofmajda2386 then why he just say it like its a bad thing/motor its pretty darn good maybe he is sponsored by simcube?
Sponsored by Simucube? That’s news to me. Lol!
Great insight.... Thanks
Hi, really enjoy the videos and have watched most of them about products and selections.
My biggest question comes in way of pedals and the entire system and was wondering what you would select if trying to use one setup on both XBox and PC. I think I am pretty sold on DD1, the rest is a little more vague...
Great video. As a totally new sim racer who is on his way to buying a full motion VR setup. Is there any way you could make a video showing an updated or current Fanatec settings video, for the dd1/2 force feeeback etc and wheel settings to get newbies like me up and running faster? Might give me a huge shortcut in first time setup to something that won’t feel disappointing right off the bat/
I made that exact video a few weeks ago.
Will you're the best of the best buddy best father best RUclipsr best sim racer You explain stuff in much details that we can understand u clearly like You take all that time so we dont have to search or Do stuff thank you will and i hope you're healed faster after that surgery ✨
Lmao thanks Joe. PS please don’t interview Miley again.
still playing ps4 GT !! So DD1 for me!!! thanks will
the Fanatec wheels being less reliable coupled with garbage support means anyone shopping should think very seriously about the consequences of being stuck out of warranty with one of these.
5:30 have 3 wheels and I don't have that flex, you should check the base, it sounds really weird too when u were tightening up
Has anybody actually got that OLED display to work?? It shows but doesn't update...just 000 everywhere... FANATEC firmware is abysmal!!
DD2 does feel bloody wonderful with AMS2 though...🤤
Great vid as always dude!
Mine works fine. Need to be running the most recent Fanalab version.
000 everywhere means your firmware is not up-to-date and needs to be updated to properly communicate with the newest Fanalab version.
I'm about to invest in the Simucube 2 Pro, but i really like a rally style of wheel -- like the one Fanatec has which you showed a short glimpse off. Are there any similar wireless wheels for the SC2 or can i fit the Fanatec wheel?
Hey Will! I have been fighting myself with the decision between a Simucube or the dd2. I'll be upgrading from a t500rs with the pro pedals. I guess it comes down to the all mighty dollar. I can get the dd2 with the porsche rim and v3 pedals with hydraulic damper for $2832. My heart tells me to at least go with the Simucube pro, but by the time I get a rim and new pedals I'll probably be significantly higher. What would you recommend? Availability send to be an issue as well. But I want to make the right choice and not wish I'd have done something else...🤔
Any update on what you went with?
I’m in a similar dilemma.
@@gavancorrigan8813 do to availability at the time, I ended up with the DD2 and the Porsche rim. Skipped the V3 pedals and became an early adapter of the SIMForge Mark1 pedals. No regrets all the way around. Everything is awesome!
@@TopperPatriot88 thanks man. Appreciate the reply and congrats on the setup. Sounds awesome!!
🎤Everything is awesome
Everything is cool when you're part of a team
Everything is awesome
When you're living out a dream
On the long range, I know Fanatec will brake or burn , as my Clubsport 2.0 burnt, and my Clubsport 2.5 broke, out out of warranty. Never more will I pick this brand .
I race on an entry level rig and pedals and my friends when they beat me on controller all ways say you eased so much money 😂