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The Big 3 Direct Drives - PART 4: Which one to buy? My recommendation!
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2021
- I'm going to give you my opinion on what I think are the big 3 Direct Drives. Simucube 2, VRS DirectForce Pro, Fanatec DD-2. It will be a 4 part series - this is Part 4 where I sum up all the 3 reviews and give you my personal recommendation on which one to get!
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Based on how many people will buy a VRS because of this video series, they should really send you a complimentary unit.
I changed from DD1 to SC2Pro about two months ago and my thoughts are exactly the same as you have reviewed. Feedback is about the same, better quality, value, versatility, software and number 1 no play or knocking from the QR. Very happy that I swapped.
Am I the only one who expected Dan to say "...so, what one should you buy? I recommend the..." AND LANCE STROLL GOES OVER THE KERB
Shit, missed opportunity 😅
Thank you for the video Dan. I had the opportunity to compare the DD1 with the VRS a few months ago.
The VRS just felt better to me.
I really like that you actually do express a clear opinion/preference. You are the only simracing youtuber I know who doesn't weight his pro/contra against each other so long until no statement can be discerned. Great work and attitude!!
Great summary of the reviews! I’ll be picking up the VRS for sure. I like the idea of raw force feedback and that pure driving feeling. I really appreciate you taking the time to do these reviews! Cheers.
Did you ever pick one up? How do you like it??
I went from an Accuforce V2 to the VRS and I'm very happy with the change. The Accuforce is a good product but there is too much software manipulation required in order to dial in the wheel base. I expect this is because the software is making up for the shortfalls of the stepper motor. My favourite thing about the VRS wheel base is I've never even had to use their software. I turned it on, I hop in a car and it just feels good. Occasionally I'll tweak the strength of the wheel in game depending on the car but that's just using the RF2 or Iracing software.
Overall it's a great product.
Another great video. Thank you.
I started with the Fanatec CSL Elite and because I had already some wheels I upgraded to the DD2. It works great. I don't have any issues but as you said the QR is not very quick. When I bought the GSI wheel I had my first "problem. I bought the expansive Podium Hub and had some EMI issues. So I grounded the base and plugged a USB EMI filter between wheel and USB hub. Problem solved!
When you reach a certain point in Sim Racing and want more than the Fanatec wheels you're not so flexible like with VRS or Simucube. It is possible but not as smooth. I never thought I would pay 1.000 € for a wheel but things change. Other people will be happy in the Fanatec eco system and won't need GSI, Cube Control, Heusinkveld, Wave Italy, ... Back then it made total sense to buy the Fanatec equipment but now I would make other decisions. To be fair, my budget would also be another! I will keep my DD2 and Porsche wheel but the V3 pedals will be replaced this or next year.
Excellent review(s)! I'm the proud owner of a SC2pro R1 (batch 2 buyer) and I haven't tried any other system. But I'm perfectly happy with the overall quality of the product and the two wheels I use (Simulaje F1S USB and Ascher 16 wireless on an OMP Quadra rim: not a bit of plastic on those!)
And Granite Device is very active upgrading the software on a monthly basis.
I highly recommend this base ^^
My two cents...
thanks man, nice roundup overall.
Thanks Dan for an honest and unbiased review. I think if you are a true enthusiast the VRS is a great choice 👍🏻
Great reviews Dan. :-)
Very surprising result...would've thought the Simucube would've won it. Thanks!
I recently bought the VRS, it’s my first DD coming from CSL Elite and the VRS has been nothing but quality, easy and enjoyable. If you are looking at the VRS and are on the fence with your decision, don’t wait any longer, get it.
are you still able to use your Fanatec wheel with their hub?
@@blessredy I paired it with a CubeControls wheel and I’m happy I did as the combo is sweet.
@@lukeddd3362 if i buy vrs and cube control rim, do i need to buy an adapter or something so i can attached the wheel?
@@fitnesschefen I bought the VRS wheel mount, it’s not much extra and then wheel bolts on easy.
The VRS imo is a damn good base. I had the csw 2.5 bf and loved it but hands down VRS Direct force pro is nothing short of being a fantastic wheel base. Love it after bout a month of use. Still a lil more tweaking to be done but out the box its top notch 🤙🏾. VRS for the win
Sehr schöner Vergleich.Erleichtert mir die Entscheidung.Danke
Don’t have anything to compare to but I LOVE my VRS wheel. Now seeing this makes me feel much better lol.
Totally agree with you on the SC2. It's a great wheel, but it's almost too smooth. Strange. Maybe it's just the software filter.
Somehow feel Revision Zwei is a great brand name! 😬
Thanks for the video Dan! 💜
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Simagic wheels specifically the alpha mini
7 dwarfs giving thumbs down… lol
Dan, love your work, love your attitude, you’re a top notch lad. Keep up the awesome work you have been doing. 7 thumbs up from me
My only experience with DD is my VRS DFP. So I can only attest that it is indeed a great base.
Nice video. I really like your style making of this videos. I allso tested simucube 2 pro on one friends rig. And now i have dd1 and i really remember how much more smoother cube was. I made some amateur stream in finnish language when i had my dd1. I like dd1 but i am for sure going to get vrs dd base next. And i hope very soon i can make that change. And maybe i dont eaven get simucube 2 what i earlier think is the end game base. 😁
I love my vrs direct force pro.
Thanks for the series. I just ordered the VRS. Seems to be very well liked across the board. I haven’t found any negative reviews yet, and the software has been updated to fix any of the criticisms that were found. I am excited to say the least.
I can't decide between sc2 pro or vrs... Damnit
@@philrob4468 alpha 15nm or vrs :(
Dan, this was very helpful. Thanks for putting time to give us this detailed 4 part review.
Question: do you think an upgrade from CSW 2.5 to VRS will be worth it? I'm actually happy with the 8nm top torque the CSW is giving for now. Aside from that, would you still recommend an upgrade?
I think a Direct Drive is always worth it ... I think it's not necessarily about the power output, more like the "directness" of the force feedback. Since you are in the Fanatec Ecosystem it might be worth to wait for the CSL DD (which can do 8Nm) though - that might be something for you.
@@DanSuzuki Good point. Wish I can get my hands on one before buying because this "directness" I hear is really distinct from belt driven wheels. Hopefully soon. Thanks for responding, and keep up the awesome content!
I did this exact thing and it’s very much worth it...I can do things with the car on the VRS that was either really difficult to impossible on the CSW v2.5. I also run mine between 40 - 50% which is 8 - 10Nm...it’s not about strength, it’s about the subtle details and the SPEED it delivers them. Best upgrade I’ve done besides going to triple monitors and getting load cell pedals.
@@johndough247 sweet. I'll look into it. Dan suggested to try CSL DD since am on the Fanatec side of the things. Let's see when that comes out. The VRS though sounds very good
Just got a DD1, zero play from the shaft, QR stays in place no problem (use DEFAULT for the base ITM otherwise you'll get the knocking sometimes, whobreads the DD1 screen anyway?), the software works like a charm and you can find TONS of support/presets/guides online for any Fanatec product. 4,5 stars out of 5.
Thanks for the info, great reviews. The little cuts in de video's gave me minor seizures, but nothing I cant handle ;)
Finally! Thx for the reviews Dan! Reallly appreciated. Sooo VRS it is!
you wont regret it , i have mine for months and its absolutely great
@@adampach982 thx mate. I'm now trying to figure out if my rSeat RS1 is up to the task. The base tray is tiny and I'm not sure if the structure is rigid enough for the 20nm...
Hi Dan, I would like to see a video comparing a diy hoverboard ffb wheel to some of the market leaders. Since you have a background in engineering ,maybe include a build video of the diy ffb wheel. Thanks for your videos .
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VRS DFP for president! 😎
How do you ground your rig Dan? I have never figured out how to do this...
Do you think that you can make a tutorial about how to ground the fanatec wheel ? I really want to do that but idk how i'm pre bad at electronic
hi dan are you going to add the alpha or alpha mini to this list im looking to buy my 1st dd im leaning to the alpha mini but there are hardly no reviews can you help with this cheers
Can you take a look at the updated VRS?
You should do a review on a simagic wheel base
Had my VRS for a few months now and really like it. The software might be a bit windows 95 but it’s easy to use and can always be improved in time
So u woot pick vrs instead of fanatic
@@TheMurerdk Fun fact I have an Alpaca called Chewpaca!
Anyway yes I had the choice, did my research etc and found the VRS suited me best
@@johnnyballbag8916 haha how funny.. it's one of my favorite ppl in movies..my dogs name is Zelda. From the old Nintendo games.
Oki nice to now. And the prize is all most the same, correct
@@TheMurerdk Loved playing Zelda on my game boy, yes I am that old!
VRS in the UK comes with the hub and mounts for £990 and is supplied by a UK company.
Fanatec I would have had to buy direct and is €1260 but then there is 20% vat and a courier fee on top. Was too much messing about.
I’m sure which ever base you get you will enjoy it!
Me too.
I'm from Denmark, so I don't now about it EU customs..if it is cheaper for me in EU or UK. But i see it point..and yes I'll thing every wheel base is Oki.
I just ordered an SC2 pro I currently have an accuforce v2. I can’t believe the VRS gets the nod. It’s only $800 us! Insane
Hey Dan, which direct drive wheel do you think I should get? Jk good videos
My fanatec QR has alot of play as well. The locking screw is required
Id say Simagic are one of the big brands now too. There's more like a Big 4 or 5 now tbh. Standard and obscure cheap cockpits are all starting to have Simagic alpha hole patterns for mounting. VRS idk, dont know any distributors nearby that carry VRS. I've owned a few fanatecs, and recently switched to Simagic alpha because of the value and quality ffb. Amazing round GT wheel too
thinking about the sim magic alpha 15nm or the vrs 20nm...
was planning a alpha mini.... saw this video, a $800 dollar dd better than everything else, ended up with a vrs pro....😉
Now searching for wheels 😁
im having troubles searching wheels haha, did you find some good options?
Simucube 2 Sport is on my wishlist however the end cost is ridiculous in Canada, but I'm curious about the VRS wheelbase too. Fanatec DD I'm just not interested in despite owning a CSL Elite right now with a couple rims.
i have the sport , and the CSL elite before , it is just a other world ! ;)
I went from CSW v2.5 to the VRS...save the money and go VRS. The minimal if any gains in feel of the SC2 are not IMO equal to the offset in price. The VRS feels amazing out of the box.
In Canada as well, have had my VRS since end of last summer. Ordered direct from them in Michigan. Was still significantly cheaper than ordering in Canada.
@@robcampbell6099 If you're referring to simulation1, yes anything is cheaper than from simulation1. lol Fanatec ran out of stock on the WRC rim and I ordered it from simulation1, ended up costing $75 more than I'd pay from Fanatec directly (including shipping). How much did the VRS base end up costing you?
@@BSDShoes Lol, Sim1 is awful unless you need something right away. But Apexv2r and ASR both carry the VRS.
after shipping, taxes and exchange right around 1200. I ordered the mtg bracket aswell. went with SRC release over the vrs hub.
VRS is my next purchase after my Rock Solid Rig.
Dan, when is the Asetek review? Would love to hear your opinion on it. You seem a little less biased than most.
Would you please give us an example of how much FFB you have set in ACC, in game and on the wheel?
Hi Dan, im receiving a sc2 pro in december, i like the software of simucube, and probably vrs is better, but how u shop there is like reservation and it´s strange. I want a solid and easy with profiles set. Also i got a njmotion compact-R and i think i got all premium deals now in simracing and i´m very lucky. Love your content, keep it up!
At least for iracing I can assure you that the simucube is better than the vrs.
Hello Dan! First of all, really great job on the videos! I've watched quite a few of them by now. Could you advise which base you'd go for in 2024 if you were starting off "fresh"? I want to get into Simracing and from all the research so far i narrowed down to following options(which seem to be the best bag for the buck) VRS or Simagic Alpla or Mini. Which one would you go with?(if there is another option, do tell. )
Simucube 2 is the best! I’d take Simagic over VRS
Thank you @@DanSuzuki! Which Simagic base though? Mini, Alpha or U?
Well depends on what strength you need
@@DanSuzuki What leads you to change your mind at this point about the simucube vs the vrs at this point? I’m trying to decide between simucube 2 pro, forte, vrs, and the alpha mini as a budget choice, but I expect it would be too weak for me.
I’m interested in the VRS. I don’t have a DD yet so no rim to bring with me but if I get a VRS will any rim work or do I need to find something specific?
Any usb rim will work
@@DanSuzuki I'm interested in a video that explains the connecting of different rims to different wheel bases I cant seem to find one anywhere. If you happen to know of one I'd love to watch!
Hi Dan. Ive been waiting for this one.
I've tried different software with same Large Mige motor and diy build. Mmos, OpenFFB and Vnm. Feels completely different between them! Also like using 25 Nm for driving!
Mmos has "kicking" feeling when driving, OpenFFB feels really natural and fast because you can turn off Every filter, Vnm feels very noisy and weird to me, but other people like it over mmos. But again this is purely diy market :)
Great review btw! ZWEI
Noice!
there are plenty of sc1 wireless modules.
racewerk, ascher, simtechracing, simtag, simracingbay, you just have to choose.
and off course, granite has - rightfully so - no reason to allow their technology to be used on non-simucube bases.
Of course it makes sense for the business. In the end it’s just some proprietary BTLE that could be used with any PC though …
@@DanSuzuki I don't even think it makes sense - While it's true it might keep you in the eco system, it also doesn't help people get in. The best for both them and consumers would be to have wheels with either USB+SC wireless, or just sell a USB wireless receiver.
Dd+ now out is showing peaks of 24nm on my end, with holding torque of 15nm but the ffb is much stronger then the dd1 was. The details meaning snd the snap and the feeling everything is more aggresive and sharp like simucube and simagic.
DD+ indeed is much better than the DD2 - I’m currently testing one too!
Its so so good. Im loving mine. It completely shocked me and has taken the place of my simagic 15nm alpha for my pc. Didn't expect that tbh. @DanSuzuki
General consensus among most simracers is Moza or Simagic
Simagic makes great stuff too - my second favorite option in 2024 (after simucube)
Dan, please Review Accuforce and Simagic! Please!
Don’t have those
Accuforce is also like 6 years old now. Probably enough info out there on it
Dan Vrs just released new firmware with all sliders active and some new ones, a review would be great. Take Care Mate
I will have a look 😊
@dan I'm on the fence bc of the software. Like stated above I would like to know how the updated firmware
@@hi-side29 TL;DR - i think the new firmware is great. I'll make a follow up video explaining the filters :)
@dan I pulled the trigger on the vrs yesterday.
Coming from a csw 2.5
Dan,where can you see Accuforce Pro V2 wheel comparing to those 3? Is it even comparible?
Unfortunately I never was able to test one. It’s not very popular in Europe
I love my SC2 Pro and hated my DD2. Hates a strong word but it’s the only word I feel when I think about my entire experience with the DD2.
Completely agree with this.
If you don't mind, how is your experience after 2 years with the SC2 Pro? I have a DD2 and I will get rid of it (I hate that freaking wheel base) to buy either SC2 Pro or VRS.
@@RaIkKh It’s been great, no real complaints. It does take a little longer to find the right settings for some titles but it’s all good. I really try not to over think things anymore.
@@OhItsThat Amazing! Thank you sir! Greatly appreciate your feedback!
Max Headroom is great
The real question now then is, the VRS or wait for CSL DD?
Definitely VRS :)
Really looks like Fanatec is getting ready for some new products. Basically nothing offered on their shop anymore besindes DD1 and DD2…
I don't know which one to choose, I usually only use iracing. I currently have thrustmaster TX base servo.
VRS DirectForce Pro or SC 2 Pro R2. I've been reading about both for 1 week. The difference in the price is 500 EUR (with accessories and shipping 1400 SC2 Pro vs 900 VRS). If you had the money, which would they buy?
Thanks for your comments
sim-pli.city/
i was wondering how people like vrs against sc2... and i also found this one, there are few reviews vrs vs simplicity so one more to check
@@P3ktoRis gracias en este momento leeré el link
@@gerardoandradeaguilar supposedly they are a bit cold with support but ffb is identical. but for which DD to choose...i think its just subjective matter, just pick one ;)
I wish you had reviewed the simagic ultimate during this series
Would have needed a Time Machine for that 😅
@@DanSuzuki I ended up ordering a VRS based on your review and "Grayze Dynamics" channel pointing me to your review. Also picked up the SRC QR and their wireless wheel base / 330mm leather wheel.
Longer shaft = more play
Noted
haha
simagic alpha all the way!
What do you think about your Monitor?
What F1 wheels can you use for the VRS wheelbase?
pretty much any wheel that uses usb
Hey Dan, I've heard from a few threads lately that the DD1/2 firmware has been updated and feels quite close to the SC2 line, have you had a chance to test it out and see if it stacks up better now?
No, my DD2 blew up
@@DanSuzuki Was it something you did or like some Fanatec QC issues?
I am wondering how the VRS would stack up against the Fanatec CSL DD ... some people say the CSL DD is better than the DD1 and DD2.
I wish there would be a sim racing rental service somewhere... :-)
The CSL DD is nice, but nowhere near as good as the VRS or Simucube imo
@@DanSuzuki I knew it. Argh. I am bitten by the 'upgrade' bug. Leaving the Fanatec echo system, getting the VRS. Leaves the hunt for a reasonable and available McLaren V2 like wheel for that wheel base. Sigh.
The CSL DD is definitely not on par with the DD1, VRS or simucube. I own a VRS, I sold my DD1 and I gave the simucube sport to my son. I've tried out the CSL DD and it's missing some of the finer details for sure. The DD1/DD2 have a numb feeling and this notchiness but I didn't notice the notchy grainy feeling until I ran the simucube 2 sport and it's no big deal but the lack of detail in the DD1 led me to want more so I went with the SC2 sport and it's better by a good margin imo. I had the opportunity to preorder the VRS and I did so figuring that I'd probably sell it or give it to one of my boys. I was shocked that it was so much better than the SC2 and DD1. I can feel texture in the road now but the big thing is I can feel the front tires lock up, ABS engage and I can feel overall grip in the front so much better than the SC2. Now I haven't tried the Pro or ultimate SC2 but my understanding is that they use the same software and have the same feel just with more power on tap. Couldn't tell ya for sure, just what I've heard from a few people who've used them. I have used the SC2 sport, DD1, CSL DD and VRS quite a bit tho. The sport, like the DD1 and VRS has plenty of power. 15-20nm is enough although 15nm is just so at times. Get the VRS, it was better than simucube when the VRS was new and it's gotten even better with the improvements VRS has made. I do not miss anything about the SC2 or DD1 and I'd not go back. If it cost more than those bases I'd still recommend it but it's significantly less. It's the 1st wheel base I've owned that I do not desire to replace with something better.
@@gregvandy8902 Many thanks. My VRS arrived a couple of days ago. I just finished converting my Fanatec McLaren V2. Had to design & print a spacer for the SMZ paddle shifters. Next drilling holes into wheel plate of my rig and installing the whole thing. Trouble is that work is limiting my time atm.
Cheers.
Surprised that Fanatec was in the top 3 instead of Simagic
Hey Dan! I grt it from the comments that as today VRS wouldnt be your fav choice anymore? Any specific reason for that?
Yeah, Simucube 2 pro is my preferred choice now - this video is nearly 3 years old now, many updates have happened 😊
@@DanSuzuki thank you! have you also tried vrs more recent firmware updates sice the moment of this review?
yes of course @@atz104
@@DanSuzuki thank you for the feedback Dan!
Simucube is extremely expensive in Canada @ around 5000CAD. ( Base only). This is double the price podium F1 (DD1) that comes with a very nice wheel. Price is the deal breaker here for me.
Check out Gperformance in Slovakia - they ship internationally and you just pay the euro to CAD conversion. just under $3000 CAD for a SC2 Pro, plus an ascher F28 wheel with shipping. They are the amazon of sim racing suppliers.
Are you sure it is not the Simucube Ultimate? That is completely different from Simucube Pro.
What are you smoking? SC2 Pro is $2100 in CAD and the SC2 Sport is $1900. Even the Ultimate is $4300.
No idea about what DD is....this using T500RS.....
You probably like the VRS most because of the “rawness” you kept mentioning. I am thinking that is likely due to the lack of filtering in the more basic software. The other two have much more mature software as you said, but because of that software it is like you are getting the feeling of someone else’s preferences when the software developer makes their various settings in the software.
Wait, did you just say wireless is MORE reliable than a cable??!
Yes :) I’ve had so many cable failures already, no issue yet with wireless
I had a DD1 and now I have SC2pro. I have a completely different impression DD1 seems much more brutal / stronger. It shows the speed test DD1 is almost 3x faster than SC2Pro, this shows the program RFRWheelTest
eh, vrs even more raw then sc2 with reconstruction filter 1 and slew rate off??? I really like your videos and streams, but this one sounds to biased about one feature, that i assume you can reproduce on other bases with right settings.
Yes, tried that ;)
But logically, why would Dan be biased against both wheelbases that he owns, which are more expensive and he could easily sell either one to buy a VRS if he wanted to? Doesn’t add up...the SC2 doesn’t have to be the best at everything you know lol.
Plus, there’s something to be said for simplicity. On the flip side, The VRS can be smoothed out quite easily and it does this will only 1 or 2 sliders.
@@johndough247 did you actually read what i wrote? -) "sound biased about one feature", whitch for me is quite strange, since vrs is pretty much what semicube1 was, just different controller. Sc2 is an evolution of sc1 so i do belive, that that 'rawness' could be replicated, just need to find right truedrive settings
@@hija01 I did read it. You accused Dan of being biased, whether it's against "one feature" or everything, you're basically challenging the validity of his review over something you, in your own words, "assume" and "believe" could be replicated (i.e. you don't have proof it can actually be replicated). For all we know, part of why they switched to an in-house motor was to have less of that rawness at the hardware level. Also, Dan himself said he tried it and it didn't help.
Besides, evolution doesn't always mean "keep everything from v1 and add more features", but can mean "remove the things we don't like from v1 (raw feel) and add the features we want". That was my point about the SC2 not being "the best at everything"; with "best" being the subjective term here...maybe that's by design.
Fanacrap......buy their crap then pay for the upgrade(s).....
Let Fanacrap get their hands on your wallet, and all they will leave are finger prints!
VRS DFP is what I have and I love it.....but then again i mostly do iRacing ovals
lots of support in their universe as well!
Dude you need a haircut 💈 lol, going to SC2 bro after watching this, cheers from Algeria
Fanatec all day.
Except the days it's RMA for a broken pin or something. ;-)
I am getting rid of all my stuff with the big F on it. A CSW 2.5, a McLaren V2 and a set of V3 pedals. Base and wheel have been to Germany more than they have been here at my place. Out of desperation, and tired of chasing ghosts (random in-race disconnects), Fanatec had to GO. Replaced with Heusinkveld Ultimate + SC2 Sport + SRC radical Pro wheel. Haven't looked back once ever since.
@@aplanedividedthesky Opposite of my experience, had Fanatec products since V2`s were released (two pedal sets, two wheel bases and 5-6 wheels) with 0 problems, never been in contact with their customer support.
@@aplanedividedthesky could you pls share a comparison of the gt3 v2 vs the radical. I'm very confused between these 2. Which is more comfortable to race with? The v2 is an actual gt3 wheel so truly authentic. but do other gt3 teams use the design of the radical? Can't make up my mind.... pls give some thoughts... Thanks. 🙏💐
Edit : also how does 290mm compare to 300mm for gt3?
@@ranakirti The McLaren V2 is a REPLICA of a GT3. And by replica, I mean the construction is plastic-is-fantastic, rather than actual carbon fiber. And it does feel like that: just a replica.
On the other hand, the Radical is a real racing wheel rim (albeit from what seems to be small formula cars), with a button box on it manufactured by SRC. The wheel rim is from another third party vendor, whose name I can't recall... but my guess was that it was a small vendor of real racing wheels.
Personally, I find it comfortable, although in terms of absolute comfort, I'd give the edge to the Fanatec. That's mostly down to the button box design in the SRC, which has sharper edges, and on a couple of occasions, I had my thumb hitting the edge of the box, which hurt a bit. The McLaren on the other hand has a center section with round edges, so you never really feel anything pinching your thumb. But that's all about it.
What must be said is that the SRC feels STURDY. Coupled with the SC2, there's ZERO flex, which adds to immersion... it feels like you're really driving a car! The same cannot be said of the McLaren V2 wheel, it always felt videogame-ish.
All this is highly subjective, but personally I would never go back to Fanatec gear. Perhaps, if I had to choose again today, I would've gone for another wheel with a better button box design (especially a box with a funky switch, which I very much miss here), but this is not something that keeps me from sleeping at night --> not even planning to replace the wheel with another one, so all this is a minor nuisance in the end.
One system that doesnt get mentioned anymore is the Bodnar's Simsteering V2. I guess the reason is because its pretty old. Its price tag is still pretty steep. Does anyone has any experience with the Bodnar V2 and any of the latest top end motors like the DD2 and SC2 Pro/Ultimate and cares to describe how they compare FEEL wise? If you only have experience with one please dont comment. I only want to hear from those that have experience with the Bodnar V2 and other top end servos.