The first Dark Troopers were BEYOND terrifying
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Dark Troopers are just a phenomenal concept. I am especially fond of Phase 0 troopers from Legends. The thought of Clones being forcibly converted into cyborgs and slowly losing their minds because of it is horrifying and tragic.
You misspelled awesome and patriotic.
Can't make an empire without cracking a few clones.
The best part is there are always more of them.
Do, do, do, dododo, dododo...🎶
How’s it horrifying? Tragic? You must be a traitor to the Empire to empathize with some random clones. Can’t get progress without cracking some eggs…
So much in Star Wars can be described that way….
@Ostrava_Of_Boletaria the nice thing is, dear Hate train rider: the sequels will get the same threatment like the prequels in the future
you know, the movies etc. you tried to claim are shit and now claim to love
Only the "Arguments" had been better than and not such grunt sound like that or things that already happens in Legends multiple times, but ey, when you never watched a star wars thing, you would you know :)
Thats why its called legends
in legends everything is over the top
from arc troopers being trained by mandalorian to luke new jedi order which is amazing and all reformed within 9 years.
If Palpatine spent the time and money on making an army of dark troopers instead of 2 death stars, the empire might of lasted longer then 20years...
@@ilikepokemans54 Thrawn, perhaps?
The Death Star 1 was a good fundamentally sound weapon for what it was built for. It just lost a bet with the odds it’d lose of one in a million. It got dealt the one hand it couldn’t beat at the last possible moment.
@gene108 being strategically sound and functionally sound are two very different things. Sure, it did what it was built for but ruling an empire through fear just doesn't work long term. The Death Star was a terrifying and brutal weapon. However, The Empire wouldn't have lasted forever with or without it. It wasn't sustainable.
I'm with Thrawn. In the end, a bazillion TIE Defenders would have been a lot more useful than two Death Stars.
It was inevitable. Sidious was shortsighted and incomplete. The inevitable ending of the Rule of Two.
That's why Kyle Katarn is the Chuck Norris of Star Wars
This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!
Phase 0s are clones forcefully augmented with cybernetics and slowing losing their minds. Phase 1 have a vibrosword and shield on their arms and are incredibly fast. Phase 2s have a jetpack and massive blaster cannon. And Phase 3s are a battlesuit/droid hybrid with wrist mounted blasters and shoulder mounted missile launchers, and have a jetpack.
Yeah, all four Dark Troopers are absolutely terrifying in their own right. And I love every single one of them, Phase 0 above all thanks to the OG Battlefront games.
It's as if they were designed not to replace each other, but work in combined arms formations.
Ah that explains why the Dark Troopers made noise when getting hit, I was a bit confused about where the robo-troopers came from until I got to the Phase 0 part.
@@TheArklytePhase 3 was definitely supposed to replace phase 2 given that they were going for the same thing, but with the phase 3 obviously being heavier armed
@@angelic_disappointment7889 Phase 3 was dual purpose as it could serve as power armor, while Phase 2 wasn't, correct? So an argument can be raised that more expensive Phase 3 was supposed to serve as command units for Phase 2 alongside also being capability enhancer for the unit.
Palpatine's love-hate relationship with Dark Troopers illustrated an interesting dichotomy between Palpatine's inner businessman/politician, seeing droids as expensive and too similar to the Confederacy's methods, and his Sith Lord nature, seeing them as a tool to instill fear in the masses. An expensive nightmare that cannot be toppled.
The only character who could take on Starkiller and win. Kyle Katarn used to take on whole Imperial bases and giant creatures... and *then* he gained access to the Force. Would you like Boba Fett's abilities, or Yodas? Kyle Katarn is the dude who stepped up and said "why not both?".
I swear, Dark Force's level selection is a list of all the places you don't want to be as a Rebel, except for the Death Star, which is only because it wasn't available at the time.
Funny you should mention Boba Fett considering he was actually defeated in gunfight by Kyle Katarn.
@@shankarban1135And then he took out an ENTIRE Imperial garrison for Jabba to apprehend the Garrison General's brother.
Kyle katarn Is a Mary sue character
I love how, in Star Wars Legion, the Dark Troopers are classified as Heavy Support, same as most tanks!
(And those are the Dark Troopers from the Mandalorian)
Hardly surprising, they are pretty much a walking tank!
In Galactic Battlegrounds (the RTS) they had the same firepower rating as Scout walkers
And in Empire at War, the Phase 3s are on par with heavy tanks.
@@seawind930Galactic Battlegrounds and Age of Mythology were my peak early gaming years, right next to Halo CE, Lord of the Realms and Masters of Orion
Another variant of Dark Trooper was the Purge Troopers we see in The Force Unleashed which we're massive & specifically designed to kill force users and had a number of interesting tech that the others didn't such as a short gauntlet mounted energy blade and energy shield of some form. They were reinforced with heavy durasteel plating and cortosis to resist lightsabers and blaster fire.
They also utilized magnetically anchors in their feet to help resist force telekinetic abilities.
"Fights a dragon"
Kell dragon, thank you very much. Put some respect on its name!
Imagine being a clone Stormtrooper, a veteran of the Clone Wars, having destroyed thousands of clankers, only to be turned into one yourself in the end.
Had the Empire invested the wasted credits and resources they dumped into the Dark Trooper project and the TIE Defender program the Rebellion would have died in short order.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Zaarin did not defect, he attempted to save the Empire from Palpatine and Vader's incompetence by providing true leadership and the understanding that practical technological superiority in Starfighters was the key to victory. He would be vindicated many times over as the Rebel Alliance and later the New Republic's starfighters gave them significant edges that delivered victories at Endor, Coruscant, Thyferra and countless other conflicts.
What I would like to see are some live action Zero Gravity troopers. Their suits basically allowed them to perform as a weapon platform effective against vessels like shuttles and fighters. But their smaller sensor profile made them hard to detect in space.
They were impressive units, but I've only come across them in one Legends novel. It even took Han by surprise when he spotted one.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Exactly, they were in some XWA missions.
have you seen the hazard troopers from the jedi knight series?
@@michaelandreipalon359ahhh a man of culture!
@@michaelandreipalon359 TFTC is the answer.
Yeah, the Phase 1 Dark Troopers were a masterclass in design. Any time you see one, your first instinct is to back away from it as quickly as possible no matter what firepower you're carrying. It's basically a Star Wars version of The Terminator. Plus seeing your shots reflect off the shield also reinforces the notion that it's impervious to everything you throw at it. And what does killing it net you? Nothing but a sense of relief (which is priceless).
Phase 2 Dark Troopers were much more dangerous and effective than their predecessors, but they don't inspire that kind of immediate terror. You also had incentive to kill every Phase 2 trooper because they dropped the best gun in the game. They're basically Warhammer 40k Space Marines in SW.
You do encounter a few Dark Troopers in Jedi Academy, which was quite a nice throwback. Though in this case they're packing Imperial Repeater Rifles and not their Assault Cannon (which actually made sense, since the original Dark Forces lore had you finding a Repeater too big for humans to wield).
Which level did you encounter them in JA? I might have skipped that one, since you didn't need to complete every mission to progress the game.
Sure you don't mean Hazard Troopers in JA? Apparently, they did have cybernetic modifications to actually be capable of handling their armour*, including fully cybernetic arms, but they're still human.
*WTF Empire? Just make a decent set of powered armour FFS.
@@millenniumf1138 it's on the level with Vader's castle.
@@tcchipThose were rocket troopers.
@@x3tc1 my bad then. Thought they were dark troopers given how similarly they looked.
I feel like Palpatines downfall was the whole quantity quality mindset he had for his empire, he could’ve kept technology like the hyperspace rings for Tie Fighters or the six legged walkers that could climb mountains, even kept the production of clones which were far superior to the Storm Troopers that replaced them. Maybe then the Empire would’ve survived.
Why would they need TIE Fighters to individually go into hyperspace when they’re obviously fleet defense fighters?
@@angelic_disappointment7889 because if whatever there defending gets destroyed the people in the ties and jump into hyperspace and love to fight another day, but of course unlike the republic the soldiers of the Empire are expandable. Yet another reason the Empire didn’t last.
The Empire really doesn’t backup its blueprints for its best smaller stuff: tie defenders, dark troopers, etc.
That's literally what they tell us in 3rd grade when we start using computers. Copy-paste and file-save.
Don't need to back up the plans for what can never be defeated. No way the Dart Trooper could ever be defeated, am I right?
My first exposure to Dark Troopers was Empire At War Forces of Corruption. Loved playing the empire faction cause part of advancing meant making a whole army of phase 3’s to easily take over planets
Kyle Katarn is Star Wars' Chuck Norris.
The first time I ever saw a Darktrooper was in Pandemics Battlefront II
What a trip down memory lane! My big brother was in graduate school when he got this game and i remember going up to visist him with mom and dad! I remember playing it loving it! Not wanting to leave!
Omg that is a terrifying thumbnail for sure
Dark Troopers in DF are like B2 in RC: hard to kill terminators that take all of your skill to defeat them.
Achieving victory over 2-3 of them makes you (and protagonist) feel like a supersoldier.
But then Jedi comes in and effortlessly takes down dozens of them.
Dark Troopers and Bad Batch combined could have given Empire their own Astartes(throw in beskar, zero-G suits and commando training for good measure).
However Palpi decided that since he had consolidated his power, he needs a riot control army on the cheap and that's it.
There is a great short comic with a Dark Trooper in it called "Sand Blasted" in Star Wars Tales #4 by Dark Horse.
Dark Troopers seem like some illegitimate offspring of Frank Horrigan.
I think you mean Frank Horrigan(1998) is a poor man's imitation of a Dark Trooper (1995).
Except that Horrigan's character design was more intimidating.
It was the Phase 2 variants that attacked the rebels at Talay, NOT Phase 1s. It's very clear in the cutscenes that the ones being launched from the Arc Hammer were Phase 2s.
*I love how they made Dark Troopers canon. Just sucks they couldn't make some kind of reference to General Mohc (i.e. Moff Gideon taking over the project from him b/c of Mohc's shortcomings or something).*
Btw, I like the remaster. Way easier with the controls (tried doing the Steam controller mapping for the original and somehow that made my gamepad unusable). Managed to get through the first five levels without cheats (exception being for 4, planet Fest, where I needed to use LAIMLAME/LAPOGO to visit the Ewok at the beginning), but had to use LASKIP for 6 due to getting motion sickness halfway through and giving up on that.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Yeah, that's one of the cons about this game is that there's no way to save where you left off during a level, otherwise I would've done that instead of taking the LASKIP path. I mean, they know people get motion sickness playing the game - they have a disclaimer at the beginning recommending the player to take break if they start to feel the effects.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Yeah. Just checked the Steam discussion board for DFR and it's confirmed there isn't any mid-level save option. Maybe they can add one in for an update in the future? 🤞
General Mohc would be a fun addition in an animated show, either showing him as a post-endor Warlord or some pre-new hope officer tasked with wiping out Separatist holdouts.
The Canon Dark Trooper is actually my favorite looking design of all the Dark Troopers we've seen and I think they make for a good Canon version of the Phase 1, just ranged instead of melee focused.
Played the og Dark Forces over on GoG a couple years back. Had a blast with it when I wasn’t getting stuck in parts I had no idea how to progress.
Glad to see these old games getting the love they deserve. 🖤
I love the bulky and anime-esque look of all three Dark Troopers, though I found them relatively easy to kill in game, especially the Phase 3/General Mohc. I'm pretty sure he's bugged, with how easy he is to kill.
I remember these from the comics. I loved these and I’m so glad you are doing a video on them.
Thinking about the Dark Troopers makes me eager for Civvie's eventual videos on Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy. I don't know if those games have kell dragons to punch like Dark Forces 1 and 2, but I hope they do.
Also, I kinda love the quirkiness of how shields work in the Katarn quadrilogy, where they soak up ranged damage but are ignored by melee attacks. I don't know why we haven't seen other shooters that use that mechanic, and I wish I had the chops to make something that had those kinds of shields.
Also also, the amount of phrik metal acquired by the Emprie had a knock-on effect for the galaxy's music industry. After all, with all the phrik hoarded, it became a lot more expensive to product jizz instruments. (and yes that is a Civvie joke)
@@michaelandreipalon359 IIRC he said he wasn't gonna do it, since he doesn't usually do expansions unless they're particularly interesting.
I mean, lore-wise it's probably interesting, but IIRC Civvie's not usually into chasing lore, as evidenced by his Boltgun coverage wherein he ended up being part of the lore without much effort.
As for Mysteries of the Sith, now I'm thinking of Mystery of the Droods again, 'cause I'm also a Mandy fan. Speaking of which, Mandy's video on A Machine for Pigs should probably be coming out next week.
The Dark Troopers are such an interesting concept, both in design and all the world building around them that we got in Dark Forces. It sucks that they’re stopped being used after the game they’re introduced.
It’s media like Dark Forces that showed the potential to grow a franchise’s world like Legends so often did. 🤩
They were used in other games and, maybe, in comics (heared of it, never read them).
they were units in empire at war expansion,
@@undead4500 I remember that. I loved how Empire at War incorporated so much of Legends into it. :D
NGL, memories of Legends and of stuff like this just solidifies my opinion that Legends is peak and the new stuff is just tragically bad.
Mohc was an awesome character.
The first encounter with a Phase 1 trooper made my childhood self cry out for help.
Dark trooper are my favourite!!!!
That would have been terrifying. A swarm of Phase 1 troopers sprinting through the trees shredding Ewoks.
The Ewok's might actually stand a better chance than the Rebels... You really think it would be able to deflect tree's? Against a ton they'd be screwed but a few would be like a newer predator movie where the humans win.
Oh man, how did I miss the Dark Forces remaster?!? It's bringing back a ton of memory of when a family friend taught me how to switch our Windows 95 PC into DOS mode purely so I could play this, and other, game(s). Damn, I'm just realizing that this act is what led to my obsession and later career path with computers and software/programming now too
There a lot of dark troopers in Star wars galaxies that make up the Imperial garrisons, on those you showed at the end are in it, the imquisitorum ones are actually melee fighters bearing vibro-staffs found in Mustafar supporting sith adepts guarding the area.
I was around 9 or 10 years old when I first played the original, and the Mine level scared the crap out of me with the Phase 1 Dark Trooper. Rushing out of the red fog like some kind of medieval cyborg swinging it's sword and blocking blaster shots. The Phase 2 Troopers weren't as bad.
Playing through the Remaster... The Phase 1 trooper in the mines still scares the crap out of me.
Bro, I thought the thumbnail was something from war hammer 40k.
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I always had a headcanon that the original Darktroopers created by Mohc were absolute monsters with phrik armor, but after the Arc Hammer was destroyed the Empire ended up creating other Darktrooper variants without the phrik alloy and less armor and those are the variants we see in Star Wars Galaxies (Exogen class, etc.)
GOATed Dark Forces MENTIONED RAHHHHH
#askeck why didn’t the Jedi & Sith make their lightsaber hilts out of lightsaber resistant materials? That would make it much less likely that their hilt could be cut
In 3 different campaigns of the FFG Star Wars RPG, I used the Dark Trooper as something like the Tyrant from Resident Evil. Over the course of those campaigns, one was destroyed. The players fled the other times.
This has made Dark Troopers synonymous with “a threat you flee from rather than fight directly” in our groups.
So, about the DT2 loadout. Jetpacks and similar are useful for the opening stages of a surprise assault, and tactical maneuvering (e.g. going through the balcony instead of finding the stairs, traversing corridors on ships with hostile gravity configurations or zero-gee, getting past structural damage that leaves gapping holes, Death Star clerical staff, etc.), but they actually open you up to more incoming fire (because you probably aren't hiding behind terrain while using them), so there's need for more armor than what you would normally be equiped with to compensate. As for using handheld weapons, that allows much faster & easier equipment swaps, which for a general-purpose unit is actually desirable. So, the DT2 was realistically a general-purpose design optimized for versatility at the expense of cost.
just got my copy of the essential guide to warfare
Star Wars Doomguy vs. Star Wars Terminators. Pretty metal when you think about it like that.
"This piece of trash isn't even worth repairing! Send in Z-X3."
FRICK!
@@michaelandreipalon359 Ah Phrick!
I met Dark troopers in Empire at War and I loved the concept. Forbidden fusion of the machine and man, a prison of metal and flesh, very Palp thing to go for.
I have always loved phase 2 dark troopers. When they brought dark troopers into the Mandalorian i squeed so hard and loud i scared people around me. I just wish the design had been kept.
I remember one time you did one of my #askeck questions and I almost had a heart attack. Congrats Eck on a million you’ll always be my favorite RUclipsr
Amazing video!
I don't think I ever finished Dark Forces. It may have been one of the first fps games I ever played. And I played the heck out of it.
Badly.
🤔 . . . Personally, I would have to agree with Palpatine, primarily in regards to mass production. Otherwise, yes, I would still keep whatever Darktroopers are left & keep them more in reserve, especially a decent stockpile on either Byss or Exegol, even mass producing spare parts, but not whole new units & such…
Phase 1 Dark Troopers terrified me as a kid. I actually felt some of that fear come back to me when I saw Mando fighting that Dark Trooper. Same vibes.
Phase One Dark Troopers were a core nightmare for me as a kid, to the point where I was too scared to play Dark Forces for a while. While it was cool to see other variations show up in later games and eventually TV shows, nothing beats that first encounter in Dark Forces.
Phase 1 really seems like they were meant to counter Jedi specifically, combined with being made of such a rare metal they were probably eager to switch to more general purpose dark troopers. As part of making then general purpose, they had a long list of features. It is only with a galactic level budget that they were able to produce dark troopers at all.
As for Kyle Katarn being really tough, well that seems to apply to every playable character in a first person shooter. Probably the most extreme example was Gordon Freeman who saved the earth with a crowbar and a glorified HAZMAT suit.
Next time you play Dark Forces, try planting as many mines as you can around where the final boss comes from. I could usually get about 6 or 7 I think...that way when that door opens, unless he flies out, he takes damage immediately and that makes the job easier :)
Loved that game. I seem to recall that one of the SW info books made link between the Dark Troopers and some of the battle droids that showed up in Dark Empire, but I think that was bit of a retcon.
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Dark Forces was a rad video game! Thanks for the video.
In my opinion, one of the best portrayals of a Dark Trooper was the one that popped up in the Sand Blasted comic with the swoop bike grang that is more well known for being, temporarily, coopted by Wrenga Jixton before Jabba's death...in the aftermath of Jabba's death and Endor, there was a Dark Trooper that had been tested in boarding a rebel vessel that had crashed years before on Tattooine with the thing onboard, which Jabba put as off limits, so, naturally, with Jabba dead, they decide to loot the thing and, well, something akin to a terminator movie plays out
Probably one of the most OP units in legends.
I fear that the clone x soldiers in bad batch might be the canon phase 0 models. A fate worse than death.
I wonder what thrawn would think of the dark trooper project?
This makes me so happy
Dark Troopers are just straight up badass & cool
Disney made a fatal mistake with Rogue One. What it took Danny Trejo, Donnie Yen, that guy who sounds like Inigo Montoya, and budget Rey a whole movie and their collective deaths to accomplish, Kyle Katarn did in a tutorial level. I usually rag on Legends fans for their bad taste in Young Adult novels and over-investment in an early 80's toy commercial, but Dark Forces is the GOAT and never should've been retconned.
@AskEck Do you have a favourite alien species in Star Wars? Preference on CGI, human in make-up, or puppetry for portraying aliens? Do you think there's an alien in Star Wars who'd have been a better template for the Clone Troopers? Congrats on a million subs, hope you're doing well!
Palpatine: “The dark trooper program is a waist of resources. Let’s build a DeathStar instead!”
Dark troopers are all scary
Hopefully they remaster the sequel. And the one with Mara Jade
I thought it would have been a great scene in Mando Season 2 if Boba Fett was involved in the assault on Moff Gideon's ship, and somewhere in the fight a chunk of a Dark Trooper helmet was damaged, revealing an aged clone trooper face, startling Boba.
Aren't these cyborg/droids in the game Star Wars: Empire at War FoC expansion? I remember them being pretty hardy, especially the phase 3 models. A real good counter to Zann Consortium tanks with shoulder mounted missiles and shredded infantry with rapid twin wrist blasters.
Great stuff Eck! Are you going to record a playthrough of the dark forces remaster on the eckstoo channel? That was one of the first games I played as a child actually and it was often scary fighting the dark troopers. It’d be awesome to see some fan films of the entire dark forces series starting with no. 1, if they were made to a good standard.
I shat brix when that first phase one emerged and tore after me. I emptied all my E11 energy into it and barely survived. Plus getting shots deflected back oh wow.
if you've ever played moviebattles II you'd know that in a gunfight being able to move in 3 dimensions makes it much harder to track and hit a target with small arms.
The Phase I scared the crap out of me when I first encountered it.
Flying gives you more maneuverability and freedom for attacks if the enemy can't fly or sucks at shooting.
Try just running around placing landmines everywhere
The repulsorlift in the phase two gives it much more tactical manoeuvrability, which very much does matter in a firefight. Not only can it get into and out of places others can not, but suddenly taking to the air can allow it to dodge enemy fire, shoot over many types of cover, and remain active despite critical damage to it's legs. It's not a critical system, true, but it can be a significant force-multiplier if well utilised.
That said, I certainly agree that scrapping the project was a waste. Simply beginning heavy assaults with a wave of phase-1 troopers to shield the storm troopers following behind could tip the balance in many battles, and see more storm troopers surviving to gain experience and become more capable servants of the Empire. Which could also improve morale, and it would see a generation of ageing storm trooper veterans who would be much more comfortable with the idea of continuing to serve their Emperor as phase-0 dark troopers.
Small changes like that could have major impacts on the fate of the entire Empire.
It's hard to take the Dark Troopers seriously when you're trashing dozens of them at a time as Kyle motherfucking Katarn.
I was like oh crap fighting the Phase II model again in the remaster.
Happy birthday!
Thank you for actually adding footage / pictures of the subject you are describing when you are describing it !!!
Vs showing a random compilation of unrelated clips from various SW content 🙄
Those war droids show the Empire isn’t a joke.
I recently 100%'d (not hard; they're all mission objectives) the Nightdive remaster of SW:DF, so this is very appropriately timed.
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Yea, no shit
Biggest missed opportunity in Disney Star Wars (to me) was using Luke instead of Kyle Katarn at the end of Mando S2. Kyle Katarn showing up would have been awesome with huge spin off potential. Katarn's legends escapades would have been great for live action or animated shows like the Bad Batch.
That said, Luke obviously has much more recognition and draws in more views to that episode but I'd personally think there would have been more storytelling ability from Katarn than almost any more recognised Jedi.
My favorite dark trooper is the o e from legends that was just a walking juggernaut that survived a sand crawler crash
There was also another dark trooper variant that we see in the force unleashed, pretty sure they were called purge troopers
#AskEck how are there force ghosts in the old republic when qui gon supposedly discovered how to become a force ghost?
I hope you do another VS Matchup someday. Preferably comparing Star Wars or Halo with Metroid. Also ODSTs vs Helldivers could be cool.
Hey Eck what do you think about the very similar imperial droids from jedi survivor?
Since i do think they're predecessors to the real deal their inclusion in the game might mean we'll eventually be able to fight one.
I do really want to see what a true game adaptation of the dark troopers in 3d space with modern programming would look like.
Essential Guide to Warfare is great. My favorite section is Reconquest of the Rim.
#EckhartsLadder Do you have any information on the ship the Bad Batch flies to Barton-4 in Episode 5?
The only droid you need is a Droideka.
Phase 1 are T800 Terminators, Phase 2 are Mandalorians, and Phase 3 are Iron Man suits.
i forgot how strange the graphics looks in this game i was kinda thinking on the sniper assain from season 2 of bad batch is a early dark trooper
Video idea/request: What if the Clone Army (not the Jedi just the clones) were created to help the UNSC
The Dark Troopers used to scare the heck out of me, so scared of them that I used to call them "Monsters." 😂🤣
Especially the Phase 1 Dark Troopers, I've been traumatized by them since I was little, when I tried to take one head-on; I tried blasting one but it deflected the shots and then it sliced and diced me to death. 😱
I freaking love the Arc Hammer.