Some New Stuff from Marvin Windows that REALLY Impressed Me!
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- In this episode of The Build Show we are checking out the windows on a Passive House remodel. These American Made windows are twice the U-Value (insulation) of a standard code window.
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We have used Provia for 6 or 7 years now and have never had issues with them. The company is very honest and has a great warranty.
I work for Marvin and have been with the integrity/elevate line for the last 15 years. Watching our product line grow and expand has been a great experience. It’s nice to see our product getting more exposure.
Just installed Marvin for one of my clients and while product is very good, which is why I insisted with client to choose Marvin, tech support in Canada is just horrible or shall I say non existent. Warranty starts day windows and doors hit Marvin warehouse, they missed to send some trim with windows and Marvin told me I have to pay for it. One window leaked at the bottom of window assembly and Marvin would have nothing to do with it etc. etc etc.. Never again Marvin!! Forgot to mention that it was Marvin line.
Very much interested in the warrant, for the window seals not to leak. How many ? If not for at least life of original purchaser,then in reality there is not a viable warranty and just a bunch of hoopla like I previously mentioned. I'm waiting with bated breath.
I was an inside sales consultant for Pella Windows back in the late 80s/early 90s. The most stressful job of my life. We literally had threats of physical violence - the reason: late deliveries holding up jobs for weeks at a time. Back then, Anderson and Marvin didn't have wood windows that could compare...we provided the windows for most of the homes in Bear Creek - the Jack Nicklaus designed 18 hole golf course/residential community in Murrieta, CA.
hey @koolaidnd , do you know if the Marvin door pictured at 5 minutes is an Elevate line?
@@kylebrezina9198 not sure. I don’t work in the faculty that builds Elevate doors.
Awesome to see all four Marvin collections being used in one build! Essential, Elevate, Ultimate and Modern!
I tried to buy Marvin as replacement windows for our house 2 years ago. Might as well been trying to buy gold bars---and what they offered in Middle Tennessee just wasn't all that great compared to the competition.
Went with Sun Windows because they had a direct replacement sash kit. It didn't hurt that one of the owners of Sun dropped what he was doing and gave us the factory tour.
We are using the Modern Line on an old church to modern home conversion. I love the simplicity of the sections. only going double glazed though on this one. On Euro triple glazed windows in general, everything is easily replaced without junking the entire window as opposed to most American windows. It looks like the Modern line has moved in this direction which should make for a window that lasts twice as long.
Thanks Matt for making these videos! I have a ProVia Signet fiberglass front door and I Love it. The detail in the door is Amazing and of course the Energy factor.
I work in construction in Idaho and am looking forward to building a super efficient home for at least myself. Sadly around here many do not understand the quality of so many things I see on your channel. Even my eyes have been opened. We don’t even do blower door testing in my area. Hopefully that will change soon.
Mullet house, traditional in front modern out back...
That's what happens when someone takes the time to mullet over plans to build/remodel a house.
And I'm sure the addition on this house will age just as well as mullets have, lol
I hope we will get to see it once it's done. Beautiful craftsmanship!
So cool. Great to see what many were talking about at the recent conference. Thanks for bringing it to us.
Thank you so much, Matt! I wanted to learn if Marvin fiberglass windows would approach passive house standards, and you demonstrate that they can. I like the new flexibility of performance results rather than prescriptive product formulas by Passive House Institute's new 2018 standards. Keep up the fantastic work! God bless you and yours.
Hey Matt with the metal on the interior of the window how would you recommend fastening window trim?
I wish you would of waited 4-6 weeks so the finish could of been seen with closeup of the window details. Thanks!
U r the man! Thanks for all your knowledge keep up the great work you’re taking over the game
Good to see the Roxul. Nice window product.
Mister Matt... 🤔 This was a GREAT video and I'm looking into these ! Thx 😎🚬
Great information on passive houses. I'm looking forward to more information on the mechanical equipment!
Thanks for the video. Does it make sense to mix wood/metal/fiberx material based interior look in the same home by using different products? Same question on the exterior (aluminum/fiberx)?
I wrote software for window and door companies many years back. There were a lot of vinyl manufacturers out there, but Marvin (and Anderson) made the highest quality windows -- and the most expensive. If the customer can afford it, they will go with an upscale manufacturer, otherwise they'll buy a vinyl window.
Fixed Windows don't meet codes a lot of times though. Always need means of egress.Great video as always!
hi matt, how much do they pay for this PURE COMMERCIAL VIDEO ?!?! ;-)
I’m very gun shy buys Marvin windows because of the windows we purchased for our new home in the early 90s. Within a few years after install they were rotting away. This was a Manufacturing’s issue they had going on that effected their whole line of windows. I got no help from the company at all and I was forced to make the repairs myself at my own expense. Right after we sold the house we were offered a discount coupon for purchasing new windows but that offer was taken back after they found out I had just sold the house.
Right now we are planning on building once more and I really don’t think Marvin windows will be on the table as an option for us to use.
The house looks like a Marvin showroom. It has a lack of cohesion that grates on my eyes.
I noticed in both the previous video inside, and this one, the Huber Zip System Tape on the inside, sealing the inside. Is there any chance, Matt, you could show what the set up is with that?
I wondered the same thing ever since the first story he posted on Instagram and it seems like a bad idea to put exterior tape indoors. On Instagram Matt responded to the question by saying the blower door # was higher than expected so the builder put it on to bring the number down to passive home standard. He also said he wouldn’t recommend do it but the owner/designer was ok with it.
Since it was mentioned that the blower test was coming high, this was likely the fastest remedy they could come up with on the spot. The liquid flashing materials used to caulk seems aren't an off the shelf, in stocked item in any of the local stores I have. The tape though is an in stock item so it's likely why it was used.
Why dont we see foiled-foam board used in interior insulation? Are they less effective than the Rockwall I often see? In Texas reflective material, like foil insulation batting even does help some.
A great video Matt !
I recently installed some modern marvin doors and windows here in California on an 1890's home we're updating. Luckily, my wife was heading up the Marvin warranty service on the west coast, so she walks me through the install to make sure they meet all requirements for warranty. Although they are at the top of the market on price, they are worth it.
I have a passive-aggressive house. It could be very energy efficient, but a window or door will pop open when I’m not looking. Not cool.
We are still way behind Europe for doors and windows, but it's getting better.
A D Did you ever see the costs of those fancy German windows? One costs as much as a whole house of builder grade American windows. But yeah, they’re great for sure.
Jeremy I’m not disputing making cheap Windows is dumb, but it’s what sells. It makes the builders more money, the buyers don’t know to care, and nobody wants to spend more on something they consider trivial like a window. Americans just don’t care about the quality of something. And most often they expect to live there 5 years or less.
A D You have to remember that quality European windows are built to last decades. The USA doesn't build its houses to last that long, why bother with windows that will outlast the house?! As is the case with almost everything in the USA, the intention is to construct something as big as possible for the lowest possible price. Until they adjust that mentality cheap shit homes with cheap shit windows will remain the norm.
around 6:40 at the end, thats a lot of studs in that wall. That kind of framing meets passive house standards for insulation??
Okay so I needed to convert the 0.15 BTU/hr ft^2 F U-Factor (US) to U-Value units that the world uses - and thats about 0.85 W/m2 K - for a window that is crazy low.
Are you saying our "made in the USA" products are inferior and that we're stuck paying exorbitant prices for them?????????
I'm shocked... SHOCKED!
0.85 W/m2 K - for a window that is crazy low. --- NO,U=080 !! is a standard for all windows, doors in the envelope of all new houses in EU from 31.12.2019.
Provia makes good doors.
Matt, any recommendations on a good Double hung that is air tight, and triple pane? I like casements bu they don't work well on a front porch, or with certain architectural styles. thanks
That's a tall order, I believe. From what I've read, double-hung windows are inherently leakier than casements; so if a company is trying to meet a strict standard of efficiency, it's unlikely that they'll choose an inherently leaky design for triple-glazing. (Now, of course, Matt will prove me wrong. But that's what I've heard.) In our own home, we have new Sierra Pacific double-hungs in a couple of windows. They're made to be air-tight, but the result is that they're very hard to move up and down. Hope that makes sense, and I hope Matt answers you.
TheHondaman check out these German windows at 475 performance simulated double hung but with inward opening lower sashes foursevenfive.ca/bewiso-victoria-line/
Have you ever looked at UniFrame windows? They're triple pane. It's all we've ever used over the last 20 plus years and have never had an issue with them. They're made in the USA and the warranty is great...lifetime warranty non-prorated against seal failure and glass breakage and it is transferable to the next home owner.
One of the first few homes we built almost 20 years ago recently had one of the windows broken by the boy cutting grass and kicking up a rock. They called and less than 2 weeks later a new window was at their door. It took longer to get the replacement because they build windows to fit almost any size hole in your home, and the concrete dome homes we built, this owner wanted some very non standard windows.
It's just nice to know that as long as you can accurately measure between studs, they'll build it to fit perfectly to fit any size you want.
www.mwcinc.com/pdf/UniFrameSeries%20brochure.pdf
Here's a short, but good video showing just how well they're built and insulate.
ruclips.net/video/rDFgI3HHSS0/видео.html
those “bars” are called simulated check rails and those Marvin doors use multi-point locking.
and the Elevate/Essentials names are not rolling out on the factory floor for a little bit. They’re still producing “Integrity” branded products until further notice.
Hey, is the Marvin french door at 5 minutes an Elevate model?
Another awesome video.
Those windows are so passive they let the light shine right through them.
Light goes through glass.
They also never actually tell you how they feel but....... you'll know.
I have loved construction since I was 0 right now I am 16 lol
Same
We need you guys to go in the trades
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Passive is the real green.
I found American made triple glazed, “passive” windows to be far more expensive than European ones when I purchased them about 3 years ago.
I do agree about American doors being made horribly and not very air tight. Unfortunately I didn’t see my doors in person before ordering and now it’s always an IQ exam when someone leaves the house or worse yet, the Airbnb I had in a private apt, to see who can open the European handle! Sort of a safety hazard too...
I found European tilt & turn windows available here through multiple manufacturers. I like the multiple rebates and the window action to tilt the window in from the bottom or have it turn. But the drawback is that to the best of my knowledge, you can’t get a screen in the window. For a high efficiency home, though, you probably want to keep the house closed up, which helps regulate humidity and keep dust out. So no screen may not be a huge issue.
I can also find European doors with the same stepped and matched rebating between the door and jamb. The European lock system rocks, too.
The bigger problem is styling. I’ve not found the style of doors that fit in with a mountain home in the Rockies. I’ll keep looking, but finding doors that fit an American mountain lodge, but still using the European rebate and lock features would rock.
@@ppainterco, I never thought of a window being any particular style other than the color and would place the ones I like the most in my home. That’s great there are manufacturers in the United States with those types of windows. I would still price compare, of course.
My windows did have screens and I definitely kept them open as much as possible when weather allowed, I live for no mechanical ventilation days.
I'd still have double hung windows in my house, something about designing it to look that way but not being a functional, opening window makes my OCD nerve flare up. Also say what you will, but the traditional "look" of single pane wood windows, especially in something like a 6x6 or 9x9 on a more traditional/older style house cannot be beat. Yeah modern windows might seal tighter, but a high quality single pane wood window with a quality storm window still seals tighter than many cheaper double pane new windows.
prozac will help with any OCD nerve flare ups.
6:50 Stop here is you don't want to hear Matt say "On The Build Show". ;)
That is an interesting solution. I love how he preserved the classic Craftsman look instead of going full modern. 78704 has an unbelievable number of scrape/build or total remodels going on. I walk my neighborhood all the time and watch them progress. There are some pretty tasteful modern builds and a few Neo Stasi Architecture ( think Saarinen collaborating with Stalin) projects that are just an eyesore. I am undecided about the Neo Farmhouse look with metal and zero soffit. Put some overhang on those and they would look a lot more like...oh, I don't know...houses? Keep up the good work, Matt. I will call you for a consult when I build my Ferro-concrete, 4 story, Tuscan/Norman keep. I may need window advice for the 3 foot thick walls.
try polar windows......-40C outside center of the window inside feels warm.....
Passivhaus and PHIUS standards all require energy modeling based on location to meet energy usage criteria. Windows for severe cold climates would be complete overkill for Texas where the house is in the video.
Hi Matt you need to come down to south Florida and check out Hurricane resistant windows that’s right when you check these windows they were shooting a 2 x 4 Out of a Air canon going 30 mph ! These windows are so tough they had to teach the fire department how to cut through them.
HL Fitzpatrick Why bother? With most US homes it's easy enough to kick a hole through the wall if you want to get inside in a hurry.
I think you mean half the U-value, not twice, as it is a measure of heat transfer per square meter per degree kelvin.
America uses R value, higher number better insulation, not U value, as in Europe.
What is the Performance value and water resistance rating.
Everytime you show the modern window it looks like a home Depot sale price sticker. I know it is not, Pavlov at its best.
Hey Matt, is the siding JH Artisan V groove?
Matt, airtight houses are unhealthy or they rely on high tech' machines to filter & recirculate the air. The passive house incorporates mass into the structure and is oriented to the sun in cool to cold climates. A somewhat leaky house is a healthy house to live in.
Sure, you can have a leaky house, be healthy and contribute more to global warming. Or you can have a tight house with a working HRV (literally a fan is the only moving part, and less complicated than a water heater), be just as healthy, and have a lower impact on the environment.
I agree!
@@justinl9947 Oh gee, global warming......what powers the constantly running fan?????
Frankenstein house
I've been studying Marvin windows for our own house and I can't find a U.15 window anywhere on their site. The best I found was their Modern Direct Glaze triple pane with a U.18 NFRC rating. Was this a custom window? Or perhaps discontinued or retested? (I know it's been a year and a half since this posted).
Could be a triple pane with 2 low e coatings. Maybe even krypton gas fill. Still R 7 from a window other than a picture window is a stretch. The frame dictates the window U factor since the glass package can reach this value or better.
This video conjures up some questions in my mind: My parents built a real log cabin for their residence in rural northern Pennsylvania in the early 70's; moved in 1975. Codes were lax back then. So while the house is insulated, it is probably minimal by today's progressive standards. All the windows are aging and showing serious signs of wear. My parents are now retired. Even if they replaced one window at a time, how do they modernize and produce superior results?
Unfortunately good windows are expensive as heck. Depends on what you want to do. Simple good quality but economical vinyl replacements might be right. If you want to kick it up a notch, go fiberglass. If you want to stick with the log cabin theme, you can get actual wood windows with exterior cladding. There are also fiberglass or vinyl windows with a wood veneer available on the inside. ...the options are endless!
wingsley I have a white pine log home my parents and I built in 1988 in northern Wayne county (PA) and several of the double hung windows have failed (they don’t stay closed anymore) so I need to replace them. I’m replacing with Casement windows, got a quote from Pella and will be looking into Marvin based on what Matt showed us here. Probably will cost about $21,000 to replace all the windows (the whole cabin only cost $45k in 1988) so I plan to do them on an “as needed” basis.
wingsley check out home performance u tube Corbett lundsford this will give you better cost effective repairs for your parents house.
@@gfarrell80 I would recommend fiberglass unless the jams can be squared up properly (This might be difficult with a Log cabin). Fireglass windows can flex a lot making it difficult to get the square all around. If they are not square you have issues opening\closing them and a poor air seal.
shop around and see what prices you can get. I swapped out my single Payne storm windows for Okna Insultec windows and have been pretty happy. cost $5,500 for 11 windows total back in 2015 and i was able to claim an energy credit on my taxes the following year. They arent the top tier window you can get but was in a pretty decent sweet spot for price/performance/warranty.
when you shop around get the make and model # of the windows the sales reps are quoting you then compare them on the NFRC(national fenestration rating council) website. it'll help you cut through some of the sales person jargon and BS when they are hyping their product vs competing brands.
not really all that hard to beat code in the states
Absolutely love your channel and craftsmanship Matt but the batt job on this build is grade 2 at best. What’s up with that? Look at 5:52 in, that gap on the left side of the batt is pretty bad....I’m gonna chalk this up to simple video production issues as I know you are all about grade 1 at a minimum.
Matt, seems like you have become a tool for Marvin Windows and doors, maybe you should read some of the companies product reviews. Hey, Anderson Windows is looking for a spokesperson, maybe your next stop ?
First donno what it changes but everybody seems to write it
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@@Ramdodge582 😂😂😂😂
Nice build.
Nice caulk joint at 4:55..
Got tool??
I believe that is peel and stick flashing if we are looking at the same thing. At least I hope it is.
I think I would suffocate in a house that was so airtight.
Although it is airight, Passivhaus and PHIUS require constant fresh-air ventilation in the form of an ERV or HRV. While a conventional house relies on a leaky envelope to breathe, Passivhaus brings controlled and filtered fresh air while exhausting stale air.
Is there any benefit to having your house certified as a passive house, or is it just bragging rights?
Not paying an electricity bill is nice
That doesn't come from the certification.
Depending on the state there are tax incentives and utility company incentives.
The real benefit to having a passive house, for me at least, is having such a low carbon footprint and then installing a PV system. At that point you'd be making a huge ROI on the cost of your home and PV install. Granted, this is incumbent on your utility provider.
It's part bragging rights - for example if you sell to someone you can actually prove that your house performs to a high energy standard. Other part is modeling ahead of time even before any walls go up the details on what everything will look energy-wise. For some people having a cheaper option of having a house be built to a net zero energy.gov standard for example is sufficient, but even that will need to be modeled and calculated ahead of time if you want rebates and such. On a tight budget I'd say throw as much insulation and good windows at it as possible, live in there for a while, then put solar to compensate for however much energy you wind up using in that period... and no certification of any sort needed. But of course without modeling you might under or overspend on HVAC or balance it incorrectly, etc..
I'd guess it'd be a factor when selling the house, knowing what you pay for and stuff. So yeah, bragging rights. In my country (the Netherlands) it is mandatory to have an energy label (G to A+) when selling a house, since it impacts the costs over the long term and you get some insights into how high the energy bills will be. The idea is that this will translate your energy savings adaptations into a higher property value. Having a certified passive house might increase the property value, depending of course on the assumption that the buyer know what a passive house is.
OOh Careful Matt your fingers might sink in the rotten wood. Worst e15,000 I ever spent
Andersen A Series blows the breaks off of Marvin!
I never have been a fan of putting an aluminum cladding on a window in a cold climate, even on a composite
I was all into it until you mentioned Marvin. Not a fan. Contractor experienced with windows...have moved on. But good luck. (fiberglass in a hot climate? Are they clad exterior wise over fiberglass?)
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Great Lakes Windows blow these out of the water.
Seriously?
@@rennkitllc6800 Yes, these are trash.
Triple pane are not worth it. Too expensive and the studies and builders show that it does not save enough money. Double is fine and Marvin are better than Andersen. Pella are no good. They screwed people over with Rottenwood on their aluminum wood clad windows for over 20 years. And they may say they’ve got a better product but they are not a good company so I would never recommend Pella ever again. I went through it. Marvin beats Anderson hands down also but don’t go that totally expensive way. It isn’t worth it. The elevate are just fine with the double glazed.
Love the channel but I'm not gonna lie, every time he says "on the BUILD show" I cringe so hard
If you notice his expression, all tongue in cheek - his sponsors probably require it....
That’s the best part!
passive house windows should be white from the outside; white dont contract and expand this much, keep their dimensions stable and stay airtight
All good windows have insulated frames and systems that prevent thermal bridging. The combination of minimal surface area of the window frames, minimized thermal bridging, as well as the fact that most Passivhaus projects have overhangs to control direct sunlight all mean that any difference between window frame colors wouldn't really matter much, if at all.
@@Pickupmanila white are better; if you can pick better you should;
If I don't want white then they're not gonna be white lol..Because it's my house and my money..You can always do 'better', that doesn't mean other choices are not good enough..
Yup but this changes passiv into expensive
Generally love the channel, but very much disagree in this case: a fixed window means you're constantly fighting the local environment. Sure, you might have to heat/cool less than a conventional modern home, but it also ignores all the natural heating/cooling options people have used for thousands of years to regulate temperature.
Jeremiah - these homes have an ERV which brings in outdoor air and filters it.
Jeremiah - this is the direction things are going. Human beings are increasingly detached from the earth. Soon we are going to have to completely isolate our species from the natural environment because our immune systems won’t be strong enough to deal with the bacteria.
Whoops sorry it must have slipped.
TellMeHowI'mWrong? I will tell you how you are wrong: because you have no understanding of how mammalian immune systems work. It would take many generations for the possibility of changes to the human immune system. Your hypothesis is as valid as antivaxers thinking too many vaccines at once breaks the immune system. But more importantly, if you watch the video again, you will see that only certain select windows are fixed (mostly windows where the space immediately outside could be occupied by a person who might crash into an open casement window). The majority of windows in that house are operable and designed to maximize cross ventilation.
In another video he explained that it is better to seal windows and house, then use an active ventilation that you can use to filter air, and other things. That is a lot more efficient.
I'm interested for anyone to post a window company who guarantees their double or triple glazed windows not to leak and fog up for the life at least of the original owner. All this hoopla about super duper triple pane windows is exactly that.......hoopla. When the seals leak,there goes some of the energy performance along with the unobstructed view. Then comes the real rub,window glass is almost never recyclable. So........off to the landfill they go,all the while the owner has to dig into his blue jeans for new windows......and the cycle begins again. Real great stewardship of the environment. All for the bragging rights I HAVE A PASSIVE HOUSE.
Marc T I installed double glazed, argon filled, low E windows in 1988 and while the manufacturer has long ago gone out of business the windows have not leaked or fogged or had any problems with the glass or the seals. Since I hope to enjoy them for another 30 years I admit that they *might* yet fail, but I don’t understand the argument that because something *might* fail sometime in the future we should do something inferior today. In my parents house they installed double glazed windows in 1970 and in 2011 one of them (only one) fogged up, and the local glass shop replaced it with new double glazed glass for under $200.
I talked to a client of a house I built 18 years ago. They used Weather Shield and recently all the windows have seal failure. The manufacturer said they have a pro rated warranty and they have to pay for half of the replacement cost of the window and install.
@Marc T Exactly ! So,in essence,the obsolescence is built right into the product.But hey,it gives the designer / owner limited bragging rights. They can calm for awhile the collective green consciousness,when in reality,they are harsher on the environment then had they consumed slightly more energy operating the building for given years. If everyone on this forum is thinking the same........someone is not thinking.
@@jpe1 It is not a question of if it will fail,it is just a matter of when. Money and resources would better directed if one were to install good old fashioned wood storms. But heck,people are lazy,that would be to much effort. Why even have operable windows ? Americans never open them,just switch the thermostat from heat to cool. Would be better off hiring their grandmother to sew some thermal drapes. Ha !
Would you want glass that long? Just replaced most of mine, solar control glass, with Argon gas, cool in Sumer Warm in winter with built in blinds between the panes, 20 years ago had low E coating, hot day, hot house, before that narrow gaps, did not do much at all, Technology changes so fast, there are developments coming all the time,
Marvin > Andersen
Why would you deface that historic home with a fiberglass front door? Fiberglass jamb maybe, but not door cladding. Shameful.
I love your content but I hate your mouth twitch