This Commonly Held Belief About Magic Mushrooms May be WRONG
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- Опубликовано: 25 янв 2023
- In this video, we look at the OTHER compounds in psilocybin-containing mushrooms to see whether they modulate or interact with one another to produce differing psychological effects.
There are many strains of magic mushrooms out there, and most people will claim that their experiences differ vastly, depending on the 'shroom they've ingested. You might have heard descriptions like: "Jedi Mind Trick is super visual-heavy", or "Blue Meanies are very introspective". But could this anecdotal evidence just be an element of the psychedelic experience?
This video is an excerpt from Episode 5 of The Mushroom Show! Check out the full episode here: • Do All Magic Mushrooms...
Check out the paper discussed in the video here: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36430...
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Psilocybin, LSD, and ketamine are absolutely life changing substances that have so much potential to help people with mental health issues.
I feel like, especially these days, everybody is struggling with mental health and could benefit from careful/intentional therapeutic use of substances like psychedelics
I've been dealing with anxiety until I met cole.shroom, an excellent mycologist
I've heard so much and I really want to try them too. I put so much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety levels
@@oliviamartinez5788 yes, @cole.shroom
DMT is definitely the best trip I've ever had.
Was really amazing!
Imagine saying "An Indica is an Indica" or likewise with a Sativa. You would, quite rightly, get laughed at. When it comes to strains of drugs that have been cultivated for our consumption, strain names carry far more information than latin names
another good part of legalization would be being able to see what the actual levels are of norbaeocystin / baeocystin / psilocin / psilocybin / aeruginascin, like they do with THC/CBD/etc
You can. They do. It’s called mass spec. Everyone has the equipment in their neighborhood just call around.
@@Shitstain951 Yes, but... with them being outlawed... it is incredibly dodgy to do.
Wonderful content, thank you! PS the video ended so quickly it was hard to click on the the full-length show you referenced. i will check the description for more.
Thanks for the feedback! I will post it as a comment and put in the description in case anyone else misses it too :)
Most of it is marketing gimmick.
However,
Ape, Pe, exotic crosses do differ from normal cubes like gt b+
great video, and great channel, i have been loving the content, thank you!
A cube is a cube is fair when you are growing from Multispore or harvesting wild foraging mushrooms because a homogeneity surfaces when you are mixing batches.
If you Isolate a particular culture and grow from clones you are going to find that your batch is particular to that chosen variety.
Love this channel. You have such great insight and info. Keep it up! Thank you
Awesome information, thank you 🍄
Really awesome
Really enjoyed this video. I really like the route Hamilton Morris is going when it comes to the discussion around psychedelic compounds.
@Mycowilson...
Keep in mind potency varies also depending on the time the mushroom is picked- like before and after the cap opens and it begins to drop spores
@Amita Ami i will check them out thanks 🙏
@Amita Ami yo what was the name again? It was deleted
What do you mean?
@I Love my daughter thanks 🙏
Prove it.
as a medical chemist, I can say that all relatives of tryptamine (N,N-dimethyltryptamine, psilocybin, psilocin, and the rest of the compounds with hard-to-pronounce names) can be found in plants or fungi, and their enzymatic production mechanism is quite interesting, the fun part is that plants produce such alkaloids for their defense system, for example, liberty cup (psilocybe semilanceata) produces more alkaloid in areas where there are more natural pests, to defend itself :) fun fact no ?
Thanks I needed this plug.
You forgot to also mention beta-carbolines the MAO inhibitory tryptamines that have also been detected in Psilocybe mushrooms.
True, but in tiny trace amounts. But there are other compounds in there too, and it's still early days chemically profiling these fungi.
The effects are definitely different. For me some cubensis are way more visual, some have more of a body load, all different variables. I don't buy the cube is a cube argument at all. Effects are also different depending on your body chemistry I believe, some really popular cubes don't sit well with me at all.
I got my stuff's from online store they got Lsd, Mushroom, Xanax, extascy, chocolate bars and psychedelic products which they also deliver...?...?
trip_world2????
They all have their own special personalities.
Yes :D my thought aswel
Ur not just dealing with a molecule thats 'the same' in every mushroom and only the amount is different but ur dealing with different energies and also history in the shrooms dna. I think mushrooms are sentient, wise, loving and ancient beings.
Terence Mckena even had conversations with it
Jack Frost is my favorite, with cubes anyway
So do the different races of man.
The wand chooses the wizard, Mr. Potter…so too does the mushroom choose the psychonaut.
Would make a lot of sense if this also pertained to Amanita Muscaria considering the varied effectiveness people report from different types grown in different regions.
1000% Especially because it is wild harvested, so many different subspecies, ibotenic acid/muscimol/muscarine, etc.
Note: According to author Paul Stamets, the chemical currently known as baeocystin (baeocystine) was incorrectly named. A misnomer occurred as a result of a mis-identified collection of what was actually Psilocybe cyanescens (and not Psilocybe baeocystis, as was originally published). He proposed cyanescin as the new chemical name, and hinted it could be studied for human therapeutic potential. This would also cause nor-baeocystin to be called nor-cyanescin. Two other important insights should be included in my post. First, Aeruginascin may also be playing a role. Second, MAOIs are almost certainly playing a role. Even More: See the paper titled, "Injury-Triggered Blueing Reactions of Psilocybe “Magic” Mushrooms." Substrates designed to increase psilocybin may also play a significant role in potency, and caution is advisable, if not strongly suggested.
Good thing good ole pauly is known for misidentifying/misnaming things.
@@Shitstain951 Paul Stamets is one of the best authors to ever publish material on any topic, let alone fungi. He has also been a positive force who uplifts people. Let's uplift people. Cheers!
What the heck, substrates can augment that?
0:54 strains are different types of mushrooms from the same species
Id definitely say a cube isn't a cube. Set and setting ABSOLUTELY play a part in each separate experience but the cubes I had years ago are a completely different experience than the cubes I've had lately. Great video buddy. Love the way you break things down and I like that you don't seem like a normal psychedelic person. It's people like you that change "normies" view points on such an amazing medicine.
Yes from experience trying multiple different “strains” of mushrooms dozens of times, (some multiple times) I can confirm a cube is not a cube. Each “strain” is different and set and setting matters kinda like with weed strains except for the set and setting don’t matter for smoking bud. If This wasn’t the case I could eat 3 grams of mushrooms and have the exact same trip every single time (again like the feeling of continuously smoking a heavy sedative indica strain or high energy sativa strain of weed) I may have similar feelings but what I see and think about tripping on the same mushrooms two different times are different everytime.
It’s like life, everyone lives it, but everyone takes different paths and therefore end up having different experiences.
@@highestcreations276 that's a great way of putting it. I cant wait to try these Avery Albinos since I've heard they're great for breaking down mental health barriers but I've never tried them so who knows. Everyone's different, like you said. I just know that this amazing medicine has truly changed my life for the better. Mush love and respect brother
@@AnxiousStacker ooh I’ve never heard of those ones before, I hope you have a good experience and your mental health gets right. Stay safe Brother, mush love and respect ᚹ
@@highestcreations276 Have you tried Jack Frost? It's the most unique cube I think. Feels like LSD almost
@@C.ODubhlaoich I have not, the list of mushies I’ve tried are (golden teacher, liberty cap: favorite, penis envy: these are really f***ing strong, mexicube, Ban sa phang ka, albino golden teacher and mazatapec most recently) Jack Frost sounds really interesting though
Can't wait for mine to be fully grown
Thank you.
To be honest I really believe this especially since I have access to two different strains of shrooms rn, some ape's that feel pretty stimulating, and some specs that have made everyone that tries them trip balls and have ego deaths with enough
I prefer #PaulStamets fav … P. azurenscens as a lab spore print only. There is also the “steady freddy” P. tampanensis that grows amongst the cow-pies in the heat of the `Golden Brahma Bulls` down in Fla. (Just remember to tap out the spores onto a fresh `cow-pie` when exciting w your cache!)
A cube is a cube refers to cultivation. Like a dog is a dog, regardless of breed, and has the same living requirements. The term was born out of people on forums constantly asking ”how do I grow XYZ?" or ”what Tek is best for this variety?” They all grow the same.
I heard that they produce the bulk of the psilocybin before the veil tears from the stem and after that you really just get more growth without anymore psilocybin increase.
Not real
@Amita Ami congratulations you found a way to be even more obnoxious
Always good stuff from you guys....thanks. Yeah...Jedi Mind Trick.... that's what we call it. :) Kinda like Professional Envy. Thanks for all you guys do....loving my Fresh Cap Lions Mane.
LOL, never heard "Professional Envy" but I like it! Thanks for being here :)
And glad you like the Lion's Mane!
ikr, all the super common strains he could've mentioned, B+, Treasure Coast, Tidal Wave, but nah, gotta misname JMF so his video about shrooms can be rated PG 🤣
I also think the effects depend on what type of mood the mushroom is in, before you eat it.
I believe there is something not yet quantified about these mushrooms that is also psychoactive but airborne and as a smell that comes from freshly harvested cubes. Different cubes have different smells perhaps V.O.C.s like an alcohol or a terpenoid .Yeti to b+ discovered.
Yep, Baeocystin is a relatively unpopular uncle...
More importantly … What other strain of shroom did the “spore-turned-mycelia” puncture and combine with genetically after first extending its haploid into the then substrate?
Not sure!
I've been preaching that a cube is not just a cube for a while. Its like saying a person is a person, just dumb. Genetics are everything. Hate to break it to people but Usain Bolt has some characteristics that the average person doesn't have. PE 6 for instance has some characteristics that the average cube doesn't have. It really shouldn't be that tough for people to understand yet here we are. Videos like this are necessary in teaching people this pretty basic idea.
In fact just the look and smell of the mushroom can be an indicator of the potency.
Can you list a source for that paper? I’d like to read it.
Sure! Look up "Extensive Collection of Psychotropic Mushrooms with Determination of Their Tryptamine Alkaloids", also link is now in the description :)
@@FreshCapMushrooms Thanks
I think, for me anyway. It gets super old super quick, having to weekly pretend your buddy invented a new mushroom when he "ghetto crossed" them in his lab. In other words, accidentally mixed different spawn bags in his tub. Now they have a new "revert" or whatever cool keyword comes to mind first. I initially thought I would love this community and the people in it. But in my first year involved, it occurred to me that most people in this game really don't get stripped of their ego. A lot seem to get a God complex instead, and expect a loyal following, and their TEK's never questioned. Discord servers seemed to quickly multiply the problem instead of remedy it.
Cough, Enigma, cough. Inverted gills, or whatever the heck that is.
I think this can be said about almost any subculture. Just the loudest ones get the most eyes, the ones that think they’re “pioneering” something. However it adds to the growth and knowledge for us all when you take the info objectively.
I've heard so many wonderful things about magic mushrooms but I can't easily get some, Is there any realiable source I can purchase from??
I'm so interested in the experience but am terrified of having a bad trip
I did two grams last time, it was a thrilling experience and I enjoyed it
doctor_mckenzie
Sells psych's
This whole thing is pretty new to me, can I try 3grams?
where to search? Is it IG ??
I really wish I can find lsd I'm in need of a nice trip
I have tried almost every cubensis strain available. I and my trip partner have seen ZERO difference between the trips.
@Mycotenn_ ®
@@CarolynHart-yi8xt It's hella rude to solicite on people's pages. Kindly f*** off, you're driving customers away from this person's shop and exposing them for committing d*ug crimes.
I always hear people say "a cube is a cube" but I can attest that they affect you differently. I never looked up the characteristics of each before trying them. Tried Golden Teachers and they gave me a good body high with zero visuals(except for macrovision, i could basically see every hair and pore in my arm). They also relieved every bit of muscle tension in my neck and back. I looked up what the characteristics were about a year after I tried them and it said exactly what I experienced, so there wasn't any bias because I didn't know anything beforehand. Other strains, like Aztec God definitely gave good visuals.
Also set and setting had zero negative or positive effect on the outcome for me
Okay, so by looking it up before, how do you know it wasn't influencing your judgement? You were expecting things based on what you read.
The only way to know for sure is double blind studies with multiple people.
@@madtabby66 I literally said that I HADN'T looked them up before trying them. Can you read? I said I looked them up about a year AFTER trying them
that high def vision shit is a trip, isn't it!? :D
@@juanifico for real, felt like I had laser vision 🤣
I’ve taken mushrooms for 25 years I had eight different kinds they all looked weighted out different plus the effects were all different too
I’m eating some tonight after dinner
1g measured out
Everyone have a great night
Entourage Effect's effect depends on genetic predisposition AND the way that the gut microbiome has impacted gene expression responses. So you'll see it not doing much to some people, but a whole lot to others. The MAOI's impact on gut bacteria alone is enough to boggle the mind.
Refer to "Unravelling the antimicrobial action of antidepressants on gut commensal microbes" DOI 10.1038/s41598-020-74934-9 from October 2020 that discusses some of the complexity of serotonin and monoamine oxidase inhibitors and their impact on gut microbiota.
What mixture of substrate will increase potency?
@Amita Ami ThanQ, but I've ben growing my own for a while.
MY opinion.
A person is a person...
is just as accurate as
a cube is a cube.
-_-
I know of someone that picked and ate 6 Liberty caps and found that they were way more powerful than the 35 that they picked 2 days before....
same size..same field, same stage of maturity.
Reading these comments, so many of these people have no clue how easily the human experience is influenced, ESPECIALLY while tripping. A cube is a cube.
What flush?So many factors
I did a 5 gram lemon tek yesterday with golden teachers and it was pretty amazing.
My last trip was 10 grams of B+ and I was in the machine.
To be cost efficient, the best is to buy / grow the mushrooms with the most quantity of Psilocybin and take lower doses (microdosing) ?
Like the Mexicana with low visual effects
The differnence between experiences people can be attributed to the potency of each individual grow, setting, and your current mindset. Select varieties may have increased psilocybin content such as Albino Penis Envy or Enigma which consistently wins the Psilocybin cup every year. They can still be treated as medicine while you study them to unlock their full potential.
Everyone in this comment section claiming this to be false information or using their anecdotal evidence of different experience with two different varieties of shrooms is like saying you acted differently getting drunk off one beer vs another.
I love this medicine but lets not start denying science people.
I can tell you with great certainty, that a .8 gr dried wild cube that you picked off of some composted horse poop and hay can hit like 2gr after lemon tek,, even if it is from the spore of a clone from the 2gr sample.
Cubes is unpredictable mofos.
There are so many variables when it comes to the effect mushrooms will have. The individuals body chemistry, diet and supplement intake, set and setting etc. And also, as shown by the psilocybin level is in the study, a great variance in the level from mushroom to mushroom. This is why I grind my mushrooms before consumption. As cool as it is to just grab one and chomp it down, you can never be sure of the outcome.
PS beats Cubes any day of the week!
Much better compounds in them too!
liberty caps are the best, they are the depression killer hear me out.
Vitamin levels probably play a part too. I had a workout protein shake... that i think gave it a punch. :)
How many mushrooms have you taken, i feel like you should know a cube is not a cube when it comes to different strains of mushrooms
the real difficulty is it's almost impossible to run a controlled study due to the huge number of variables involved. both from a cultivation perspective, and an individual mind set. add to that the setting and individual preconceptions based on here say and anecdotal accounts and you have a huge task at hand. I think personally 80 % of differences are marketing, and power of suggestion, leaving room for minor variances in strains, and possibly greater variances between species.
Is it true that the most blueishh shrooms may be more potent?
Blue bruising is just a sign of psilocybin containing mushrooms. I've seen flushes that bruised crazy dark blue and ended up being pretty mild, as well as flushes that didn't bruise much at all that were quite strong. Potency has way more to do with nutrients in the substrate than anything else in my experience.
There is also some anecdotal evidence out there that longer consolidation times and longer spawn runs will result in more potent flushes.
@@EPATZ but isn't psilocybin an other alcaloids directly related to potency?
@@ownmicelio potency is a measure of the amount of psilocybin, but more apparent bruising doesn’t necessarily mean more psilocybin.
A cube is not a cube. I have heard that my entire life but that has not been my experience. I have been growing and eating mushrooms for years and regardless of what the cube is a cube crowd says each strain has specific characteristics. As well Psilocin and psilocybin are not the only active ingredients in the mushroom then factor in the potential synergies between the inactive compounds and the active compounds of each strain and there you go....
Magic 🍄 has healed my trauma and been the main reason I no longer struggle with mental health problems
@Mycotenn_ ®
I have been testing lately and I can say the following,
Golden teachers are mild, and more of a physical warm feeling. 1-2 grams
Orissa India are more intense, both physically and visually, but still manageable in low doses. 1-2 grams
True albino teachers are stronger than the brown counterpart, and really tasty. 1-2 grams 😊 just my recent test results.
Do you deliver to UK? I want your lions mane🦁🦁🦁
That chart isn’t accurate at all. It has caerulescens, and subaeruginosa less than 1%. Has them weaker than pan cints.
Until people experiment for themselves they’ll just keep parroting things they see on reddit. Experiment and observe the differences between strains!
Social media is dangerous if your inexperienced, stick with just the cubes and you'll be ok.
Do / would I need a " trip sitter " ?
Do you get nervous, startled or depressed easily? Are you an introvert or an extrovert?
If you are comfortable alone and you are generally okay with new things, you should be fine.
If you have negative spirals or you like to do everything with other people, or if new things make you nervous, have someone you trust hang out with you.
They are all unique Gods
No cubensis strain is the same furthermore no mushroom is the same
Onelove
I knew that wasnt true since the day i heard it. Its bassically like saying weed is weed
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He got psychedelic products. I do order from him.
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Most spores have been mislabeled over the years so almost all cubes ARE cubes. The difference comes from difference “landrace” strains or mutations like APE
Where would one get the stats for a ghost p.e. or an a.p.e. mushroom?
No reason.. :D
I'll recommend this dude, he's got you covered, psychedelics stuffs like Lsd, Dmt, shrooms, chocolate bar and many others are available, hit em up for your orders
@Mycotenn
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Idk who in their right mind would think they are all the same, it's quite the opposite
how are shrooms different from acid? .
Well the biggest difference imo is if you take acid it becomes completely impossible to sleep, while mushrooms allow you to sleep normally (why I avoid acid). Also the nature of eating a raw mushroom vs absorbing a acid tab changes the nature of how the trip peaks. The trip seems to feel more smooth and consistent, while mushrooms the experience can evolve as you digest the mushroom.
There are lots of other differences in the actual experience but I dont feel like typing anymore.
@@SpencerLemay true about the speedy part..so how many hours on the shrooms total? i have only had mild acid but the side effects can be annoying..this is back in the 80s. the shrooms i had was very little and barely did anything..i think mescaline i had was great but not very hullacinogenic.
Acid hits much harder, faster and with more certitude...'shrooms are more of a wave like come on. Upon initial come on you may find yourself wondering if you even perceived something odd or strange and then it goes away momentarily then comes back even stronger(waves) throughout the initial phases of onset. I feel poisoned on 'shrooms and I do not experience this when using LSD alone. I actually have tried them together(one time in the early 1990's) and could easily differentiate between the two different feelings of onset and come down. BTW the feeling of comedown from a moderate dose of only 'shrooms may leave you wondering if you ever even got off (you know that you did,you had the trip and the fun) though that feeling of waving out leaves you wondering if it was even a real trip ??? Fungi stuff, I mean funny stuff !!!!
@@tracy2762 mushrooms, depending in the dose and your sensitivity to the actives compounds, can make duration vary by a great margin, but between 4hours and 8hours i'd say, 6hours being the average.
I already had strong trips that lasted very short (that's why I mentioned 4h) and also had very mild trip that lasted up to 8 hours with unbearable body load and no visuals half of the trip...
Also, having experienced both mushroom and acid, mushies have smoother of an experience, and the fact that it does not go above 8 hours top is a big plus, also, weirdly feels way more natural, but I can't explain it with words.
@@Kluqse maybe the difference is that acid is synthetic and shrooms are, well, natural.
This comment thread is loaded with fake comments from people who do shrooms without a prescription and non scientists who are mostly teenagers 😩
So that's how to pronounce Psilocybe Cubensis. Silahsobee Kyoobensis . Thanx!
Gotta add dmt in the list of the life changing substances
@Mycotenn_ ®
Still not sure why you pronounce it that way but meh maybe I've been wrong my whole life and just learned something
idk what he is saying about these words for different effects.
YES, different strains of mushrooms have different effects. i know this because right now i have 12 different strains of "shrooms" from blue meanies, averys albinos, penis envy, golden teachers, Porto Rician cubensis to African Transki cubensis. to name off what i can recall without digging them out. but yes they all have different effects, even one batch of B+ can differ from another grow of the same B+ strain. again just like weed, you can get a clone off the best weed and if you dont know what your doing it can turn out to be garbage.
Jedi mind trick 😤
Paul Stamets had a good description of psilocybin growing on tree bark of some kind. It had a very unique effect of paralyzing you before the psilocybin began to work. You were paralyzed during the entire experience and the effect wore off after the trip was finished. Talk about a captive audience.
This is known as "wood lovers paralysis" and seems to only happen on psilocybin containing wood lovers. It's not fully understood as far as I know.
Chemovars..,the way they r grown the water especially and the harmonic vibrations and entity affect all adjust the effect…. Then the persons mindset and chemistry and vibration ….then the surround
PE is 4-5x stronger at least. You have to know the strain and make sure you are taking the right dose. Psilocin is psilocin no matter how you break it down.
Glad someone knows this. I just finished some pe. And wow that's a lot stronger than the old gt or any other I've had.
When you say psilocybe it sounds kinda like philosophy
trip_world2:::::::::
jus like weed , diff strains diff potency and effects
these things are illegal and therefore a waste of everyone's time
Okay I trust this video and all but it makes it difficult when you mispronounce psilocybe and yet pronounce psilocybin correctly. It's almost like you do it on purpose.
Pe6 seems to be the strongest imo.
@Mycotenn_ ®
It's like sayin all indicas are the same. Not so
>this drug same as that drug because reasons
bro I should start selling spores you niggas is dumb
A cube is a cube is probably the WORST advice one can give any prospective mushroom eater, IMO. Each type, to me, has its own distinct personality. And not one person I know disagrees. A cube is not a cube lol. Respect each for what it is.
Different grows will produce different psilocybin content. If you have varieties like APE, Enigma or ones that are not Cubes then you are venturing into the territory where genetically they will have a higher content. To deny the science of them is pure ignorance though.
@@CyberVeggie I grow APE, Melmac, Thai, NSS (my favourite, Natal Super Strength), texan, amazonian star gazer, mckennaii, transkei as well as some pans (goliath and nataliensis) and all I can say is no type is alike. Potency aside, each has a unique effect.
@@flowleopard893 you could eat the same mushrooms from the same goddamn iso or clone grow and experience different effects
my anecdotal evidence>your anecdotal evidence
Just because you and your friends are bad at growing mushroom to a standardised form doesn’t mean me and my friends are bad at it 🤷🤣
Statement a cube is a cube is a very lazy unscientific denotation. A real scientist understands the infinite intricacies that lie within nature and the complexities of the interdependent relationships of those aspects and factors
Liams_spores
I’ve taken mushrooms for 25 years I had eight different kinds they all looked weighted out different plus the effects were all different too
I’m eating some tonight after dinner
1g measured out
Everyone have a great night