This movie was amazing. I don’t get the hate for it in any way. I was fully invested in the characters and, I knew how close these men were without some grand exposition. If I could rate it out of 10 I’d give it a 9. This movie was great!
For a change i agree with Ben. This story focused on the effect violence on had Joe (Christian Bale) in particular, and "winning" side of this longstanding conflict in general. PTSD on the frontier if you will. Yes, they could have added more detail to Wes Studi's character and his family but I think that would have watered down the impact of Joe's story. You might also say that the lack of insight the audience is given to Wes and family reflects the one-dimensional opinion Joe has of all "Indians". I loved this film. It was one of my favourites from TIFF. It might have been dour in tone but the tension of wondering how this journey would play out kept me engrossed throughout.
There is enough backstory for al the characters to go around, the bitter end is just well fitting for the end of an era or century of expansion of the West.
Amen. Took the words out of my mouth. The film comes from Joe's perspective & as he evolves & opens up to his companions you learn more about them as his interests & opinions of them change. It's as much about ptsd of the human condition as it is about allowing empathy & compassion to return after you've closed it off for so long. It's about seeing your "enemy" I say that loosely as equals & not rivals. To this misbegotten territory. That was striped from these indigenous people. Just fighting for survival. It's a snapshot of America's horrific past.
In order to adequately depict the bonding of these old enemies it would require a mini series. So I can forgive how quickly they bond in the struggle together to survive.
If "the frontier sucked" is all you got from this movie, you need your head checked. This is a movie is about PTSD in the old west. Its about the harshness of war. Captain Joe Blocker is introduced as a man who represses any feeling that isnt hatred, guilt, grief or wrath. War has tortured his soul and landed him in a pit, and for a long time, instead climbing out, he just continued to dig the hole deeper and deeper by continuing to fight and kill within the chaos of the "wild" west. Until he is assigned a mission that essentially confirms that all the killing he has done, or at least a good deal of it, was "for nothing" and he had to come to terms with that, and he did, in an incredibly emotional breakdown of his character where he almost commits suicide. He bonds with a widow over shared trauma. They have both lost 3 people, Joe lost his men, and she lost her family. They bond over their grief. The scene where Joe said to Chief Yellow Hawk "a part of me dies with you, my friend" was so profound. You saw Joe learn to trust and even love a man he once hated most in life, a man he wanted nothing more than to kill in the beginning.. You saw him let go of the conflict and choose love, peace and responsibility in the final scene. That to me was beautiful. You say that the natives shouldnt be portrayed as ideas?? What movie were you watching? What does that even mean?? They are portrayed as beautiful gentle, wise, spiritual beings which many of them were, and fiercely violent and vengeful warriors out to kill anyone with white skin, which a lot of them also were. I felt each native character had their own unique and beautiful or frightening personality. It felt real. Do you want them to have typical American personalities? Or what? This movie deserves several watches. And it sure as fuck deserves a more thoughtful review than the lady and the grey fat guy are putting forth.... go watch foot loose you halfwit.
This group of reviewers just remind of a bunch of smug New Yorkers who think they know everything. I doubt one of them could write a decent essay on the subject they so imperiously critique as boring and condescending to Native North Americans. I've seen this film and it is terrific from start to finish. Don't let these self-important types put you off from seeing a fabulous Western that is most definitely NOT like other Westerns.
My wife was moved to tears multiple times and I was on on the edge of my seat and we don't like westerns or anything of the other analogous filmsthat are mentioned in this discussion. It felt like an important movie with an important message that transported me and had me fully buying in to the characters and the changes that they made and the decisions that carried their arcs. It could have been a little shorter or just quicker, but I don't know if I buy the journey these characters make unless I have the time to suffer with them. My wife put it as her favorite film of the year and I have it fourth even with a big double handful of amazing films this year. A diamond in the rough that is being criminally overlooked this year.
I agree. At the core of any good film is a story that grips you emotionally and reveals truths of history and the human condition that we did not realise. Hostiles does this very well.
"The essential American soul is hard isolate stoic and a killer. It has never yet melted." D.H.Laurence... That exceptionally perceptive British writer observed somthing deeply seated about the American character both indigenous and otherwise. History has repeatedly shown the hard truth of his observation. Like it or not. From the horrors of the Civil War, to Wounded Knee, to Peleiu to Iraq and Afghanistan. This film addresses that thing. When Rosemund Pike's Character tries to dig those graves bare handed in that hard pan of the hard American prairie and totally inhabits that howl of empty loss thats beyond reason she inhabits that voice of the abyss it makes our soft fat denizens of shopping malls here uncomfortable. These jackals of mediocrity... But anyone who's been strung out there in that dark night of the soul in that moment when our protagonist unsuccessfully attempts suicide just before reluctantly embarking on this foray into the Heart of Darkness recognises something there. There is something almost Terrance Malik about this journey; it's a journey beyond the 1000 yd. stare. In that moment when Rosumund Pike's chracter mentions envying the finality of death it's there. What's never mentioned about this remarkable film is that at the end, our weary hardened killer protagonist comes in outa the cold... and boards the train... he accepts his new family... and gives us hope. Now there's a Chracter arc for ya. Now that's America! the land where starting over is considered a birthright even for those who'd ostensibly abandoned ALL hope.
The discussion seemed like battle of liberal guilt. Reminds me of the scene from Dr Strangelove. “Don’t tell me I am less sorry. I am capable of being as sorry as you are.”
T Clark, You hit the nail on the head. They are like a bunch of smug insiders but they don't realise the audience is smarter than they are. The emperor has no clothes.
This movie is fantastic! I'm with the two on the right. It's ok for a film that confronts the dangers & frailty of man to be bleak. It shows the repercussions of war on both sides & gives a perspective that when given the chance we have more in common. It also tackles the one bas day narrative that asks the audience to see that 3 characters represent different results of the same broken psyche. Joe could of went 3 distinct ways portrayed by 3 individual characters but his humanity brought him back to understanding. It showcases the grim reality of the American western colonization. We striped these native people of their lives & land in the name of progress & greed! As a veteran it shows the calous decisions of war. It shows the indifference of old men that send out young men to commit atrosities in the name of something else. It's a wonderful film with platitudes & depth of human condition.
Decent film, the story was pretty uneven but it gets better in the second half. I really liked Bale's performance but wasn't a fan of Rosamund Pike in this. I wish the Native American characters were developed a bit more. 7.1/10 for me.
Justin, There is SO MUCH to know about what went on, in regard to the background to this film, that it would take a true documentary series to catalogue it all! That said, if you REALLY want to get up to speed on the northern Plains Indian wars then pick up Robert M. Utley's "The Lance and the Shield: The Life and Times of Sitting Bull." It will give you the background on this story, as the Northern Cheyenne were allied with Sitting Bull's and Crazy Horse's Lakota and fought the US Army at the Battle of the Rosebud and the Battle of the Little Bighorn in 1876. This is the almost unspoken of background that the film alludes to and is one interesting book, to say the least! :)
Whenever people talk to me about what a great actor Wes Studi is, I'm always forced to remember he played a Native American Wolf-Man in the final season of 'Penny Dreadful,' and told Eva Green, "You are a fertile bitch of evil," or some such. The third season had great promise with Christian Camargo as Dracula, and that was it. (Sorry, was this a movie review?)
The spoke to something that gets on my nerves- this new movie trend of making the Wild West this dark and foreboding place where everyone was grim and dismal. I read books written by guys who were there and they were (mostly) all having the times of their lives. So this is just the latest way for Hollywood to put a spin on the Old West to come across as unique and gritty in spite of it being absolute BS.
Yo, don't make fun of Moviepass, I was dubious, it really works. Saw CMBYN, Shape of Water, Phantom Thread, The Other Side of Hope, Villages Visages with it all for $10. In NYC, that's over $80 regular ticket prices.
menevetsny I've seen Darkest Hour and CMBYN with Moviepass and I'm seeing The Post, Hostiles, and Paddington 2 this week with Moviepass. Might rewatch Shape of Water too. I love Moviepass and it really does work.
I think Ben Mankiewicz got this movie. Alonso, Christy, and Matt seemed a bit grumpy and came across as reviewers that have simply watched too many movies, like it's a burden for them to take in a movie that doesn't "entertain" them. I thought Hostiles is an amazing movie.
Loved the movie,only thing that could have been added was possible flash backs of the chief at war and why ,usually the Indian were defending their families,,after all it was Us govt that took the land from the Indians who honored the earth.The us calvalry acted as savage as the the Indian defending their families.The Renegade Indians can be compared to a renegade of any group!All groups have Renegade !
I'm way late to the party, but I loved this film. I felt the whole point was not the journey the Native People were taking - they were already there. It was about the white people's journey from lumping all Natives under the label of 'hostiles', and discovering the true hostiles were those engaged in 'Manifest Destiny'. The opening quote from DH Lawrence seemed to be pointing right at that. I think most of y'all missed this.
Life is grim, entertainment just fluffs it up/distracts us from the fact that unfortunately - power wins. Seems like the panel would prefer a cutie romantic comedy over a well acted, beautifully filmed depiction of real life scenarios.
It is as if they if watched a different movie. They went about the scenery. That wasnt the plot here, they only showed glimpses. It is watered down and a little slow at first. Then they didnt think it was subtle enough. Not the greatest movie, but I liked it and the one subtleness part is that not all tribes are the same. Some tribes fear other tribes as the movie showed. No soldier came away from that time fighting an arrogant man. It would wear on anyone to the point as you see, you beoome numb and just want to die yourself.
lol i love how these movie critic "pros" talk so much shit over movie pass. y'all know exactly what it is. you know exactly how much it costs. Is it because you're upset that normal people can see movies at the same pace as y'all? Is there some creeping insecurities settling in *looking at you Alonso*?
MP helps, but there's still the babysitter if you have kids. You still need to get to the theater. And full time jobs, so limited time. And most people don't get to go to early screeners nor have to time to fly to festivals. Plus the more movies we see, the more job security for reviewers. I dunno why he sounds so dismissive of MP though. Maybe he thinks it's scammy. I don't know what rights I've sold away yet, all I know is more people are watching movies because of MP. MP gives you access to arthouse theaters as well as mainstream cinemas so users aren't just watching Transformers. I've used MP in Lincoln Center, Angelika, the Quad, etc...
Tombstone came out right around the same time as Unforgiven so I kind of lump them together. I liked Django Unchained, but it was not a great movie in my opinion.
I never saw The Assassination of Jesse James, and No Country For Old Men really isn't a true western. It just happens to take place primarily in rural Texas.
Ya know... I went to see it because of Wes Studi and Adam Beach. That was the only reason I saw it. I knew it would be problematic. I knew it'd be imperfect. But this....this was just sad. Under-developed Native American characters? I could count their lines on my hands. The women had maybe 10 line between the two of them. I know as a history student I should expect historical inaccuracies, but the small mentions of Wounded Knee as a major "battle" with fighting from both sides was terrible. As too often seen, the Natives are just part of the setting. Like the very land around them, they are just physical manifestations of the white mans relationship with the frontier. Christian Bale could have been mad at a cactus plant and it would have been the same meaning. But what really killed me, what made me leave the movie in a state of disbelief and shame, was the ending. After (of course) all the Native Americans die a horrible and painful death, (just to remind everyone that they all died out-ish) the happy ending is that the last of this family, the little boy, doesn't get taken to the reservation where some of his extended family is, or returned to the fort where there are other Cheyenne people he grew up knowing can watch him and teach him about his people.... No... He gets put in a suit, taken by a very christian thinking Rosamund Pike, who then is joined by the Indian Killer Christian Bale, as they ride off on a train to more civilized lands where they will make sure to teach all the important stuff, like God and Julius Caesar... That is the largest tragedy. a physical, harsh, and cruel lasting image of the sad fate of many Native American children. It of course...is the happy ending, because at least Christian Bale and Rosamund Pike found eachother and can feel good about making this young child in their image.... ugh.
Hostiles is a very subtle, sophistiated piece of film that requires patience, observation and perhaps even more appreciated with a bit of historical insight. I am not sure any of these " reviewers" can relate to any of that. It strikes me how fast Americans can have forgotten what it took to conquer a place like the West and the abominable and harsh environment, gruesome lives people lived there. Magnificient film, great photography and powerful acting. Be fair to a film rather than exposing your inflated, talentless egos.
Alonso needs to loosen the fuck up and be more open minded, and like more movies. This story had a lot of unique things to say about this time in America and the US’s culpability in it, especially from the point of view of the soldier who’d been committing these acts.
Goodness. Watching this was difficult. Most of these reviewer sound so into themselves it's ridiculous. Suffering from narcissistic personality disorder assume. Just give a review, and an honest one.
Just like the oppressors, Matt, doesn't even know the name of the character that he is depicting. Matt, quit talking. Get it right, you know what happens and what will! To all goes there own!
It's surprising to me how bad these WTF reviews are. These were the first YT film and TV reviews I ever watched, back when Breaking Bad season 5 was coming out...what was that... 2013? But then I moved on to other reviewers who are much better, more objective, and less (read: Not) triggered (these guys seem to take any opportunity to grand stand on anything political / social). Very infrequently these days, I'll see that WTF has a review of a movie that I've seen, and I'll and watch it for old time's sake, and I continue to be shocked at how shallow and nearly worthless the reviews are. Looks like WTF's last pasted video was a year ago...guess the channel imploded in the utter vacuum of these reviews.
I thought the movie was totally unrealistic. I really cannot believe the woman could go through having her husband and three children murdered and being raped and come out of it so quickly. I also do not believe a soldier that had suffered so much and inflicted so much would be able to overcome his prejudices so quickly. Not worthy of good westerns like unforgiven, open range, 3:10 to Yuma.
Saw it yesterday, a depressing hideous mess of a movie, that rips off other westerns at every turn, opening with a settler family killed leaving the grieving mother alive, think Jerimiah Johnson's crazy lady, Rip off of lines from unforgiven "I've killed everything that walks or crawls", rip off of white land baron and shoot out from Open Range. Hollywood couldn't make a good or even decent movie if their lives depended on it, the main reason I pretty much only watch RUclips now days. I give this disaster one steaming buffalo turd! With fly's, what was Wes Studi thinking when he signed on to this disaster.
Ok. 1st and last time watching this channel. The guy on the right with the almost Trump joke in the start of the episode is unwatchable. Um, um, i dont care about politics when i turn to watch a movie review and not be hit with personal view on his political view just wish to hear what his view is on the movie and Um I couldnt um watch 2 mins of this guy.
gonna be honest, i think you americans only bring up your native american population in your movies. i'm canadian, and obviously we're not innocent - but at least we talk about it. you guys just use the culture as a source of entertainment!
" i'm canadian, and obviously we're not innocent" thats when you stop talking, you have no moral high ground, and your opinion carries no weight. A murderer telling another murderer anything doesnt play well.
I learned quite a bit about the tragedies of the Native Americans in the American school system. We didn’t ignore their culture. But let’s be honest, Native Americans were not peaceful before the “white man” came and (yes, wrongly) killed many of them and treated them poorly. Native American tribes fought amongst each other before Europeans showed up. Humans are violent. It’s as simple as that. That doesn’t make the Europeans right by any means, but don’t stand on a pedestal and attempt to look down upon us when in reality we’re on the same playing field.
Les Grossman that's white people's excuse for atrocities in the name of racism all the time: "they treated each other like shit before we killed, enslaved, raped, tortured, butchered them so they deserved it!"
My Name is Nicky I clearly said that Europeans wrongly mistreated and killed Native Americans. I was merely pointing out that Europeans are not the only people capable of violence, yet so many people act like this is true. Oh, and I’m not white, if that’s what you’re implying. So stop going for the racism card every chance you get.
This movie was amazing. I don’t get the hate for it in any way.
I was fully invested in the characters and, I knew how close these men were without some grand exposition.
If I could rate it out of 10 I’d give it a 9. This movie was great!
Powerful movie, it was great
For a change i agree with Ben. This story focused on the effect violence on had Joe (Christian Bale) in particular, and "winning" side of this longstanding conflict in general. PTSD on the frontier if you will. Yes, they could have added more detail to Wes Studi's character and his family but I think that would have watered down the impact of Joe's story. You might also say that the lack of insight the audience is given to Wes and family reflects the one-dimensional opinion Joe has of all "Indians". I loved this film. It was one of my favourites from TIFF. It might have been dour in tone but the tension of wondering how this journey would play out kept me engrossed throughout.
There is enough backstory for al the characters to go around, the bitter end is just well fitting for the end of an era or century of expansion of the West.
Amen. Took the words out of my mouth. The film comes from Joe's perspective & as he evolves & opens up to his companions you learn more about them as his interests & opinions of them change. It's as much about ptsd of the human condition as it is about allowing empathy & compassion to return after you've closed it off for so long. It's about seeing your "enemy" I say that loosely as equals & not rivals. To this misbegotten territory. That was striped from these indigenous people. Just fighting for survival. It's a snapshot of America's horrific past.
In order to adequately depict the bonding of these old enemies it would require a mini series. So I can forgive how quickly they bond in the struggle together to survive.
I was excited to learn that Wes Studi had a major role in this. It's too bad to hear now that he doesn't have much of a role after all.
If you edit out all of Ben's "umms" this video is only 3 minutes long.
He is the new Goldblum.
That is how I feel about Matt's "maybe"s, "almost"s, "I think"s. He is adorable but he is terrified of having an actual opinion.
golduum
lol
Scott Cooper is certainly decent. I actually loved Out of the Furnace and really enjoyed Black Mass.
Plus, Ben Mankiewicz is a living legend!
If "the frontier sucked" is all you got from this movie, you need your head checked.
This is a movie is about PTSD in the old west. Its about the harshness of war. Captain Joe Blocker is introduced as a man who represses any feeling that isnt hatred, guilt, grief or wrath. War has tortured his soul and landed him in a pit, and for a long time, instead climbing out, he just continued to dig the hole deeper and deeper by continuing to fight and kill within the chaos of the "wild" west. Until he is assigned a mission that essentially confirms that all the killing he has done, or at least a good deal of it, was "for nothing" and he had to come to terms with that, and he did, in an incredibly emotional breakdown of his character where he almost commits suicide. He bonds with a widow over shared trauma. They have both lost 3 people, Joe lost his men, and she lost her family. They bond over their grief.
The scene where Joe said to Chief Yellow Hawk "a part of me dies with you, my friend" was so profound. You saw Joe learn to trust and even love a man he once hated most in life, a man he wanted nothing more than to kill in the beginning..
You saw him let go of the conflict and choose love, peace and responsibility in the final scene. That to me was beautiful.
You say that the natives shouldnt be portrayed as ideas?? What movie were you watching? What does that even mean?? They are portrayed as beautiful gentle, wise, spiritual beings which many of them were, and fiercely violent and vengeful warriors out to kill anyone with white skin, which a lot of them also were. I felt each native character had their own unique and beautiful or frightening personality. It felt real. Do you want them to have typical American personalities? Or what?
This movie deserves several watches. And it sure as fuck deserves a more thoughtful review than the lady and the grey fat guy are putting forth.... go watch foot loose you halfwit.
Ben Foster and Christian Bale were also in 3:10 to Yuma.
danel8408 Loved that movie.
I liked this one too.
yea...
and wes studi and adam beach were also in last of the mohicans
jesse plemons and rory cochrane were in black mass
This group of reviewers just remind of a bunch of smug New Yorkers who think they know everything. I doubt one of them could write a decent essay on the subject they so imperiously critique as boring and condescending to Native North Americans.
I've seen this film and it is terrific from start to finish. Don't let these self-important types put you off from seeing a fabulous Western that is most definitely NOT like other Westerns.
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My wife was moved to tears multiple times and I was on on the edge of my seat and we don't like westerns or anything of the other analogous filmsthat are mentioned in this discussion. It felt like an important movie with an important message that transported me and had me fully buying in to the characters and the changes that they made and the decisions that carried their arcs. It could have been a little shorter or just quicker, but I don't know if I buy the journey these characters make unless I have the time to suffer with them. My wife put it as her favorite film of the year and I have it fourth even with a big double handful of amazing films this year. A diamond in the rough that is being criminally overlooked this year.
I agree. At the core of any good film is a story that grips you emotionally and reveals truths of history and the human condition that we did not realise. Hostiles does this very well.
Ya I agree ☝️
Todd Sauve You’re a douche
Rosamund Pike is great in the movie.
What is the acceptable way to deal with grief?
I don't think there's any, we deal with pain at our own way.
"The essential American soul is hard isolate stoic and a killer. It has never yet melted." D.H.Laurence... That exceptionally perceptive British writer observed somthing deeply seated about the American character both indigenous and otherwise. History has repeatedly shown the hard truth of his observation. Like it or not. From the horrors of the Civil War, to Wounded Knee, to Peleiu to Iraq and Afghanistan. This film addresses that thing. When Rosemund Pike's Character tries to dig those graves bare handed in that hard pan of the hard American prairie and totally inhabits that howl of empty loss thats beyond reason she inhabits that voice of the abyss it makes our soft fat denizens of shopping malls here uncomfortable. These jackals of mediocrity... But anyone who's been strung out there in that dark night of the soul in that moment when our protagonist unsuccessfully attempts suicide just before reluctantly embarking on this foray into the Heart of Darkness recognises something there. There is something almost Terrance Malik about this journey; it's a journey beyond the 1000 yd. stare. In that moment when Rosumund Pike's chracter mentions envying the finality of death it's there. What's never mentioned about this remarkable film is that at the end, our weary hardened killer protagonist comes in outa the cold... and boards the train... he accepts his new family... and gives us hope. Now there's a Chracter arc for ya. Now that's America! the land where starting over is considered a birthright even for those who'd ostensibly abandoned ALL hope.
Good discussion, nice to see the A Team back. We need more BEN.
why ? these guys are all old hacks. i guess if ur 50, then What the Flick appeals to u.
The discussion seemed like battle of liberal guilt. Reminds me of the scene from Dr Strangelove. “Don’t tell me I am less sorry. I am capable of being as sorry as you are.”
I don’t know if Alonso likes anything.
It Came from the Sky Right? I honestly can’t think of anything he likes, or even at least gives some praise.
Movie 43? I think he liked that
He loves "Call me by your name" watch the review and also his shirt!
Nicole R Gee I wonder why he liked that one...
he likes musicals, movies with gay subject matter and christmas movies..
You guys are way too much into yourselves. Your narrative is about making each other laugh instead of giving true debt to the review.
T Clark,
You hit the nail on the head. They are like a bunch of smug insiders but they don't realise the audience is smarter than they are. The emperor has no clothes.
Agreed !!
Agree, and yet these close have created nothing themselves.
This movie is fantastic! I'm with the two on the right. It's ok for a film that confronts the dangers & frailty of man to be bleak. It shows the repercussions of war on both sides & gives a perspective that when given the chance we have more in common. It also tackles the one bas day narrative that asks the audience to see that 3 characters represent different results of the same broken psyche. Joe could of went 3 distinct ways portrayed by 3 individual characters but his humanity brought him back to understanding. It showcases the grim reality of the American western colonization. We striped these native people of their lives & land in the name of progress & greed! As a veteran it shows the calous decisions of war. It shows the indifference of old men that send out young men to commit atrosities in the name of something else. It's a wonderful film with platitudes & depth of human condition.
What happened to Ben? Can he get a full sentence out anymore?
Trump has him mind-fucked.
Ben nailed the synopsis
Do Black Mirror!
Naga Sooraj Vedula Lol! First of all, learn how to use ellipses. Secondly, don't limit how I can reach them. Bye.
This is why no one likes film critics. The movie is spectacular.
Decent film, the story was pretty uneven but it gets better in the second half. I really liked Bale's performance but wasn't a fan of Rosamund Pike in this. I wish the Native American characters were developed a bit more. 7.1/10 for me.
Justin,
There is SO MUCH to know about what went on, in regard to the background to this film, that it would take a true documentary series to catalogue it all!
That said, if you REALLY want to get up to speed on the northern Plains Indian wars then pick up Robert M. Utley's "The Lance and the Shield: The Life and Times of Sitting Bull." It will give you the background on this story, as the Northern Cheyenne were allied with Sitting Bull's and Crazy Horse's Lakota and fought the US Army at the Battle of the Rosebud and the Battle of the Little Bighorn in 1876. This is the almost unspoken of background that the film alludes to and is one interesting book, to say the least! :)
Whenever people talk to me about what a great actor Wes Studi is, I'm always forced to remember he played a Native American Wolf-Man in the final season of 'Penny Dreadful,' and told Eva Green, "You are a fertile bitch of evil," or some such. The third season had great promise with Christian Camargo as Dracula, and that was it. (Sorry, was this a movie review?)
_"Hostels"?_ Oh, you Americans and your mispronunciation. . .
How do you pronounce the word geyser?
Robert Conrad?
I suddenly don't feel bad about blowing off the free screening the other night because of rain.
People should just watch 'Rich Hall's inventing the Indian'.
I agree with Ben's positive review. Christian Bale's performance was also Oscar worthy imo.
The spoke to something that gets on my nerves- this new movie trend of making the Wild West this dark and foreboding place where everyone was grim and dismal.
I read books written by guys who were there and they were (mostly) all having the times of their lives.
So this is just the latest way for Hollywood to put a spin on the Old West to come across as unique and gritty in spite of it being absolute BS.
i'm sick at home for a week just thinking i'd like to see you guys and boom there you are
totally agree with Ben, Alonso and Christy seem to just be parroting social talking points
this.
Damn that thumbnail still is beautiful
Yo, don't make fun of Moviepass, I was dubious, it really works. Saw CMBYN, Shape of Water, Phantom Thread, The Other Side of Hope, Villages Visages with it all for $10. In NYC, that's over $80 regular ticket prices.
menevetsny I've seen Darkest Hour and CMBYN with Moviepass and I'm seeing The Post, Hostiles, and Paddington 2 this week with Moviepass. Might rewatch Shape of Water too. I love Moviepass and it really does work.
I like what the girl said. Often Hollywood western movies Downtrod the Warriorship of the Native Americans
What happened to this channel? No more reviews??
I think Ben Mankiewicz got this movie. Alonso, Christy, and Matt seemed a bit grumpy and came across as reviewers that have simply watched too many movies, like it's a burden for them to take in a movie that doesn't "entertain" them. I thought Hostiles is an amazing movie.
Loved the movie,only thing that could have been added was possible flash backs of the chief at war and why ,usually the Indian were defending their families,,after all it was Us govt that took the land from the Indians who honored the earth.The us calvalry acted as savage as the the Indian defending their families.The Renegade Indians can be compared to a renegade of any group!All groups have Renegade !
Does the big guy like anything?
Ben, good on you for watching 'Ozark.' Loved it myself, even if there was an element of, "WTF did I put myself through this for?!"
I'm way late to the party, but I loved this film. I felt the whole point was not the journey the Native People were taking - they were already there. It was about the white people's journey from lumping all Natives under the label of 'hostiles', and discovering the true hostiles were those engaged in 'Manifest Destiny'. The opening quote from DH Lawrence seemed to be pointing right at that. I think most of y'all missed this.
Life is grim, entertainment just fluffs it up/distracts us from the fact that unfortunately - power wins. Seems like the panel would prefer a cutie romantic comedy over a well acted, beautifully filmed depiction of real life scenarios.
OMG, watching this late, thumbs up and props to Ben for the failed 'Merry New Year,' joke. For whatever reason, that really cracked me up. :D
I loved the film if it wasn’t so slow at certain parts I’d give it a perfect score. 9/10
"Hostiles", starring Christian Bale & Rosamund Pike is now in theaters. Here's my review: ruclips.net/video/PE3tkUI_WGA/видео.html
Alonso's shiiirt where do they find these great shirts?!
where the fuck did Alonso get that shirt? need it soooo bad looll
Hello, how you doing
These guys couldn't review a Sunday school picnic....
I want alonso's shirt!
This movie was great, but one problem: has no one heard of cover???
It is as if they if watched a different movie. They went about the scenery. That wasnt the plot here, they only showed glimpses. It is watered down and a little slow at first. Then they didnt think it was subtle enough. Not the greatest movie, but I liked it and the one subtleness part is that not all tribes are the same. Some tribes fear other tribes as the movie showed. No soldier came away from that time fighting an arrogant man. It would wear on anyone to the point as you see, you beoome numb and just want to die yourself.
My god, Christy is so beautiful!
It was a very good movie
I absolutely loved this movie
is christi going to say this is a "beautiful" film?
Ben uh needs to uh be uh reboot.
3:47 reminded me of Team America
lol i love how these movie critic "pros" talk so much shit over movie pass. y'all know exactly what it is. you know exactly how much it costs. Is it because you're upset that normal people can see movies at the same pace as y'all? Is there some creeping insecurities settling in *looking at you Alonso*?
MP helps, but there's still the babysitter if you have kids. You still need to get to the theater. And full time jobs, so limited time. And most people don't get to go to early screeners nor have to time to fly to festivals. Plus the more movies we see, the more job security for reviewers. I dunno why he sounds so dismissive of MP though. Maybe he thinks it's scammy. I don't know what rights I've sold away yet, all I know is more people are watching movies because of MP. MP gives you access to arthouse theaters as well as mainstream cinemas so users aren't just watching Transformers. I've used MP in Lincoln Center, Angelika, the Quad, etc...
Wow how wrong you are never watching your reviews again you negative people
The best western movie since Unforgiven is Open Range, so if this is a great movie, you have to say it is the best movie since Open Range.
J.A. Contes Tombstone and Django Unchained are up their too
Tombstone came out right around the same time as Unforgiven so I kind of lump them together. I liked Django Unchained, but it was not a great movie in my opinion.
J.A. Contes The assassination of Jesse James....No country for old men..?
I never saw The Assassination of Jesse James, and No Country For Old Men really isn't a true western. It just happens to take place primarily in rural Texas.
J.A. Contes I'll highly recommend you watching Assassination of Jesse James it is one of the best films of last decade.
Ya know... I went to see it because of Wes Studi and Adam Beach. That was the only reason I saw it. I knew it would be problematic. I knew it'd be imperfect. But this....this was just sad. Under-developed Native American characters? I could count their lines on my hands. The women had maybe 10 line between the two of them. I know as a history student I should expect historical inaccuracies, but the small mentions of Wounded Knee as a major "battle" with fighting from both sides was terrible. As too often seen, the Natives are just part of the setting. Like the very land around them, they are just physical manifestations of the white mans relationship with the frontier. Christian Bale could have been mad at a cactus plant and it would have been the same meaning.
But what really killed me, what made me leave the movie in a state of disbelief and shame, was the ending. After (of course) all the Native Americans die a horrible and painful death, (just to remind everyone that they all died out-ish) the happy ending is that the last of this family, the little boy, doesn't get taken to the reservation where some of his extended family is, or returned to the fort where there are other Cheyenne people he grew up knowing can watch him and teach him about his people....
No...
He gets put in a suit, taken by a very christian thinking Rosamund Pike, who then is joined by the Indian Killer Christian Bale, as they ride off on a train to more civilized lands where they will make sure to teach all the important stuff, like God and Julius Caesar...
That is the largest tragedy. a physical, harsh, and cruel lasting image of the sad fate of many Native American children.
It of course...is the happy ending, because at least Christian Bale and Rosamund Pike found eachother and can feel good about making this young child in their image....
ugh.
These are the worst movie critics I have ever listened to. The movie was brilliant.
alonso's shirt doe lol
Did anyone else feel like it felt like dunkirk
Totally with Alonso on Pikes scene. It’s not good... she’s not very good in this film
Sounds like a worse version of The Proposition.
Achity, get some sleep! Those bags are rough!
Hostiles is a very subtle, sophistiated piece of film that requires patience, observation and perhaps even more appreciated with a bit of historical insight. I am not sure any of these " reviewers" can relate to any of that. It strikes me how fast Americans can have forgotten what it took to conquer a place like the West and the abominable and harsh environment, gruesome lives people lived there. Magnificient film, great photography and powerful acting. Be fair to a film rather than exposing your inflated, talentless egos.
I uses to love WTF...but I'm glad it got canned.
Alonso needs to loosen the fuck up and be more open minded, and like more movies. This story had a lot of unique things to say about this time in America and the US’s culpability in it, especially from the point of view of the soldier who’d been committing these acts.
Goodness. Watching this was difficult. Most of these reviewer sound so into themselves it's ridiculous. Suffering from narcissistic personality disorder assume. Just give a review, and an honest one.
Just like the oppressors, Matt, doesn't even know the name of the character that he is depicting. Matt, quit talking. Get it right, you know what happens and what will! To all goes there own!
She’s so completely wrong on her analysis of the movie. Lol
What an unprofessional presentation. Irritating. Fire the guy with black hair beard and glasses.
Every other critic is praising this film except these fools
The first guy talking needs to practice speaking the English language
You killed all the natives....... not even enough of them left to get outraged.....or maybe the wifi on reservations not that good.
masterpiece
It's surprising to me how bad these WTF reviews are. These were the first YT film and TV reviews I ever watched, back when Breaking Bad season 5 was coming out...what was that... 2013? But then I moved on to other reviewers who are much better, more objective, and less (read: Not) triggered (these guys seem to take any opportunity to grand stand on anything political / social). Very infrequently these days, I'll see that WTF has a review of a movie that I've seen, and I'll and watch it for old time's sake, and I continue to be shocked at how shallow and nearly worthless the reviews are. Looks like WTF's last pasted video was a year ago...guess the channel imploded in the utter vacuum of these reviews.
I thought the movie was totally unrealistic. I really cannot believe the woman could go through having her husband and three children murdered and being raped and come out of it so quickly. I also do not believe a soldier that had suffered so much and inflicted so much would be able to overcome his prejudices so quickly. Not worthy of good westerns like unforgiven, open range, 3:10 to Yuma.
betty marchesi that's exactly what took me out of the movie right from the beginning
Matt is the definition of cringe-worthy.
Why he brings up some good topics about the movie?
How so?
VelmaX3 you misspelled Alonso
clowns - boo
Saw it yesterday, a depressing hideous mess of a movie, that rips off other westerns at every turn, opening with a settler family killed leaving the grieving mother alive, think Jerimiah Johnson's crazy lady, Rip off of lines from unforgiven "I've killed everything that walks or crawls", rip off of white land baron and shoot out from Open Range. Hollywood couldn't make a good or even decent movie if their lives depended on it, the main reason I pretty much only watch RUclips now days. I give this disaster one steaming buffalo turd! With fly's, what was Wes Studi thinking when he signed on to this disaster.
This review is terrible.
A native American story once again from the perspective of the white people who slaughtered them as they get heroic story arcs and redemption. Cringe.
Ok. 1st and last time watching this channel. The guy on the right with the almost Trump joke in the start of the episode is unwatchable. Um, um, i dont care about politics when i turn to watch a movie review and not be hit with personal view on his political view just wish to hear what his view is on the movie and Um I couldnt um watch 2 mins of this guy.
gonna be honest, i think you americans only bring up your native american population in your movies. i'm canadian, and obviously we're not innocent - but at least we talk about it. you guys just use the culture as a source of entertainment!
" i'm canadian, and obviously we're not innocent" thats when you stop talking, you have no moral high ground, and your opinion carries no weight. A murderer telling another murderer anything doesnt play well.
I learned quite a bit about the tragedies of the Native Americans in the American school system. We didn’t ignore their culture.
But let’s be honest, Native Americans were not peaceful before the “white man” came and (yes, wrongly) killed many of them and treated them poorly.
Native American tribes fought amongst each other before Europeans showed up. Humans are violent. It’s as simple as that. That doesn’t make the Europeans right by any means, but don’t stand on a pedestal and attempt to look down upon us when in reality we’re on the same playing field.
Les Grossman that's white people's excuse for atrocities in the name of racism all the time: "they treated each other like shit before we killed, enslaved, raped, tortured, butchered them so they deserved it!"
My Name is Nicky I clearly said that Europeans wrongly mistreated and killed Native Americans. I was merely pointing out that Europeans are not the only people capable of violence, yet so many people act like this is true.
Oh, and I’m not white, if that’s what you’re implying. So stop going for the racism card every chance you get.
Couldn't get past the first minute with these superficial clowns, right away I couldn't care less what they think about anything