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  • Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
  • The epic western is back! Hostiles is great, but with one glaring and easily fixed flaw. This movie explores violence and hate inherent in the American West, in a way that no film has attempted in a long time. It is perfectly ambiguous, and you should watch the film.
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    Wiki:
    Hostiles is a 2017 American Western film written and directed by Scott Cooper, based on a story by Donald E. Stewart. It stars Christian Bale, Rosamund Pike, Wes Studi, Ben Foster, Stephen Lang, Jesse Plemons, Rory Cochrane, Adam Beach, Q'orianka Kilcher, and Timothée Chalamet. It follows a U.S. Cavalry officer who must escort a Cheyenne war chief and his family back to their home in Montana in 1892.
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Комментарии • 304

  • @juckoosaurus
    @juckoosaurus 6 лет назад +218

    I'm glad a movie like this has been made in 2018
    I don't want a story to be watered down and preachy

    • @namirxia3308
      @namirxia3308 6 лет назад +12

      DarkSendo94 Yeah, I didn’t know all that much going into the theatre, but came out loving the film.

    • @Jared_Wignall
      @Jared_Wignall 4 года назад

      *2017

  • @leftymcnally6913
    @leftymcnally6913 6 лет назад +91

    Just watched this last night. Absolutely loved it. Going into it, everyone told me it was boring because of the lack of action, but that's to be expected from some people

    • @leftymcnally6913
      @leftymcnally6913 3 года назад +2

      @B. Tacktheritrix Master and Commander is one of my favorite films of All Time!!!

    • @joegarciasog2221
      @joegarciasog2221 2 года назад

      Awesome movie

    • @BreckTaxi
      @BreckTaxi Год назад

      I didn't watch "In The Heart of the Sea" on the big screen because a young person told me it was boring. Unless a movie is full of explosions and CG scenes most people won't like it. I don't put much stock in what people say.

    • @tylerthompson1842
      @tylerthompson1842 8 месяцев назад +1

      To me it was just realistic not boring refreshing

  • @warriorlink8612
    @warriorlink8612 5 лет назад +29

    This movie is really dark, and sometimes hard to watch. It's scary, but not because of the blood or battle, but because of how accurately it portrays raw visceral hate. It has its redeeming moments, and while full of tragedy, it is also spotted with hope. I like how they told the story, and set you up not for cheering for one side, but cheering for overcoming hate with friendship.

    • @lucapachee9863
      @lucapachee9863 4 года назад +2

      I loved the message of overcoming hate with friendship. I thought it was a beautiful message that's very relevant today.

  • @MsBlonde0000
    @MsBlonde0000 3 года назад +16

    I don't think this movie is about overcoming hate per se. I think that for Bale's character hate was the only feeling he had inside of him he could hold on to. He had nothing else. And once he met the woman, saw her grief and her vulnerability, that hate was pretty quickly replaced by love.

    • @JamesSmith-ih2cx
      @JamesSmith-ih2cx 2 года назад

      Thats a very interesting take. I hadn't thought of it in that way before.

  • @TensileStrength
    @TensileStrength 6 лет назад +119

    I hadn't heard of this movie, but now I really want to see it. Any film involving Native Americans has such a strong tendency to rebel against racism and silly cowboys and Indians stereotypes that they oversimplify the events. They make one side look like innocent and noble people victimized by a cartoon villain. Any movie that portrays each side as having valid reasons to hate the other would not only be more accurate, it would make a film feel rich and fresh.

    • @blaydeesy2005
      @blaydeesy2005 6 лет назад +1

      TensileStrength excellent movie

    • @TheF22Craft
      @TheF22Craft 5 лет назад +2

      I highly recommend "dances with wolves"

    • @matt7iron
      @matt7iron 3 года назад

      Im late to the party but i just rented this at my library and it was kinda slow but it kept me mesmerised and intrested in whats gonna happen, wes Studi is a good Indian actor, they should of put him in fear of the walking dead with the other Indian guy named Walker, that would of been a good paring.

    • @sskoog
      @sskoog 3 года назад

      I put at seventy percent 3:10 to Yuma, thirty percent Last Samurai. Maybe that's too cute a one-line summary, but it truly is an incredible film. Builds slowly.

    • @navajoguy8102
      @navajoguy8102 3 года назад +2

      Always amusing when White people find a movie or book about the ethnic cleansing of the West "balanced".

  • @jony4real
    @jony4real 6 лет назад +19

    I've been thinking about this, and I just came up with an idea of why they set this movie in the 1890s instead of the 1880s or 1870s where the events would make more sense. I think they wanted to set the movie "after" the Indian Wars, which a lot of people see as ending with the Wounded Knee Massacre in 1890. Both Yellowhawk and Christian Bale's character are old, at the end of their military careers and are getting ready to leave their violent pasts behind them. Setting it in the 1890s meant all the Easterners in the movie who were arguing for better treatment of Native Americans had a leg to stand on, since whites were now in control and pretty much all tribes were on reservations. The movie, if I'm right, was trying to build a bridge between the violent 19th century and the modern West.

  • @ursulakweddings4968
    @ursulakweddings4968 4 года назад +10

    I suspect the only reason they set the movie so late in the century was so they could reference Wounded Knee, which happened in 1890. The conversation Joseph has with the prisoner about this is integral to his character development and our realization of what crimes he has actually committed. I missed this the first time watching, I thought the movie was taking place in the 1870s and was surprised when I realized it was not.
    Having said that, I've never been so riveted to a film. I honestly had an experience like no other watching this story unfold.

  • @bostownent4816
    @bostownent4816 2 года назад +9

    As a 7/8 yr old kid, I never could understand why my Dad loved Westerns so much. Movies like Hostiles have since answered that question.

  • @ycandrewsen8851
    @ycandrewsen8851 6 лет назад +22

    Oh I'm so happy. Once again you've done one of the few films I've had time to watch (once again on a plane) in the last few months.
    I really enjoyed this film (despite having a bit of head-scratching from the historical issues) and I always enjoy your videos!
    I think you've nailed it again: a film about a broader theme that is easier for an audience to grasp and come to terms with if it's 100+ years removed from our current internal battles.

  • @cristerowarrior1450
    @cristerowarrior1450 6 лет назад +95

    It’s good to hear someone finally admit that Hate comes from knowledge not ignorance. To call a bigot ignorant just dismisses the fierceness of it

    • @Delta-es1lg
      @Delta-es1lg 6 лет назад +58

      I disagree. Hate can come from both knowledge and ignorance. There is the deep hatred that comes from knowing what the other party has done/will do to you and your people, and there is the irrational hatred people feel to what they simply do not understand.

    • @mkvenner2
      @mkvenner2 6 лет назад +32

      Knowledge unfortunately can be built on false assumptions and lies.

    • @GRAFFDEMON
      @GRAFFDEMON 5 лет назад +11

      I've definately seen uneducated racists as well as educated ones.

    • @cristerowarrior1450
      @cristerowarrior1450 5 лет назад +6

      It has nothing to do with education. It has to do with knowing the people. Living, working and shopping at the same stores as them. I have seen too many Hispanics and Whites who had black friends as teenagers then after working in warehouses, factories or even spending time in prison wind up Hating black people. They will meet a few that they like but they will always say something like “I don’t want to date my sisters or daughters and I don’t even like seeing them. Having lived in Chicago and the Chicagoland area and being of Irish, Arab and Latino background I can tell you that Black people in general don’t like non-blacks. The Black hatred toward Hispanics is growing. Live in a working class neighborhood and work a low skilled job you will find that humans are a tribal species

    • @cybersmith_videos
      @cybersmith_videos 4 года назад +3

      I'd say it's broader than that. Hatred is an aspect of human nature, and it can be triggered by ignorance or knowledge, depending on the circumstances.

  • @adityaganjoomech
    @adityaganjoomech Год назад +4

    "Understanding hate"... these were the words I was struggling to find to describe this movie. Great video. Fantastic movie!

  • @MartinWenzelYT
    @MartinWenzelYT 6 лет назад +18

    Wow, I need to see this movie. I'm always happy, as a novice historian, when the story of the Europeans meeting and coming into conflict with the Native Americans isn't just white people are bad and evil, something which is sort of displayed in Dances With Wolves (but that also comes down totally to the main character's perspective). Understanding to point of view being displayed and WHY that person within the movie has that view, historically, makes for a good "history" film. Nothing worse than attributing our morality onto the characters of the past.

  • @mwduck
    @mwduck 3 года назад +10

    In the opening scene, the colonel mentions the "Department of the Army." Which didn't exist until 1947.

  • @ashikmd.rashid6284
    @ashikmd.rashid6284 6 лет назад +7

    Seen it. Absolutely gripping(direction) & breath taking(cinematography). 1 of the most plausible westerns in years. Couldn't help but shed a tear.

  • @SMERSH_BERSH
    @SMERSH_BERSH 6 лет назад +6

    hopefully, with that idea, we can finally make a decent Spanish civil war film that doesn't glamorize either side but to understand why they hated the other side.

  • @MrMurica
    @MrMurica 6 лет назад +33

    310 to yuma is a pretty good western

    • @martijnstuart95
      @martijnstuart95 5 лет назад +5

      Also stars Christian Bale and Ben Foster

    • @Jared_Wignall
      @Jared_Wignall 4 года назад +5

      That it was. Both 3:10 to Yuma and Hostiles are excellent. Seems like Bale and Foster in a western together is a sign the film has a level of greatness to it.

    • @seneth95
      @seneth95 4 года назад +6

      If you like 3:10 to Yuma, I’d recommend Appaloosa with Ed Harris and Viggo Mortensen.

  • @romainreuter9604
    @romainreuter9604 4 года назад +3

    I said right after seeing that movie for the first time, that a comanche attack in 1892 would have been highly unlikely. Because the Comanche were locked up in the Fort Sill Reservation in Oklahoma since 1875 and heavily guarded. Showing hostile Comanches in a movie set in the 1890s is unprofessional and unhistorical.

  • @deliriumbee4678
    @deliriumbee4678 5 лет назад +10

    I wonder what kind of rasism that girl lived after he free them 😢

  • @gallantcavalier3306
    @gallantcavalier3306 6 лет назад +25

    My hat is off to you cypher, a short yet brilliant review, I agree, timing on the date could be better, but if we just take that away and change it to 1882, it makes it so much better.

  • @StewartFletcher
    @StewartFletcher 6 лет назад +6

    I loved this movie for the same reason I loved Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. They're two movies that couldn't be more socially relevant but they do it in a politically incorrect way. One movie shows racist cops become heroes. The other shows Natives as savages. But they both show the flip side, they both show that we can overcome hate and that hate isn't what defines us

  • @pmhops77
    @pmhops77 6 лет назад +8

    I recently found your channel after watching "Darkest Hour". I wanted to find out if it was accurate or not (I was horribly disappointed to find out the subway scene was not real lol). I've watched a bunch of your BoaTS series. I was disappointed to not find 42. I was very interested in the movie because I love historical baseball movies, but have not yet seen it because I've feared it would be a racial propaganda piece rather than a historical movie. Would love to see you do 42 to decide if it's worth watching...

  • @joeporter4616
    @joeporter4616 2 года назад

    Dude has PTSD, every character in the film is or was him at one time.
    He's dying the West is dying and he is reviewing his life and actions as he too, is dying.

  • @cutecollie3604
    @cutecollie3604 6 лет назад +8

    I'd suggest you doing films like Stalin (1992), The Great Escape (1963), Battle of the Bulge (1965) or Elizabeth (1998).

  • @agilalawin1584
    @agilalawin1584 2 года назад +1

    This movie is one of the best Western film Ive seen. It is a great period film but underrated and biasedly snubbed by the Oscars. Every moviefans who loves period films should watch it.

  • @praxagorathesmophoria
    @praxagorathesmophoria 6 лет назад +6

    This is one of the reasons why I love the John Ford/John Wayne Trilogy so much. Rio Grande, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, and Fort Apache do a great job of showing the complexities of human interactions.

  • @reggieclark3266
    @reggieclark3266 2 года назад

    Yo Troop. Geronimo was held at Fort Sill Oklahoma! I did basic training at Fort Sill and photos of Geronimo and the Guardhouse were all over the Fort to be seen.

  • @timothymclean
    @timothymclean 6 лет назад +10

    It seems like there are at least a handful of movies set in the Old West which are viewing the violence, prejudice, etc through a less favorable lens than classic Westerns. Old Westerns are defined as much by their implied attitude towards the West as the setting itself, so I find this interesting. I wonder if this trend will catch on enough to deserve its own subgenre...

  • @paxwallacejazz
    @paxwallacejazz 3 года назад +1

    Hey he gets on the train at the end. That qualifies as a happy ending doesn't it?

  • @DammitBobby
    @DammitBobby 6 лет назад +26

    I really wanna watch this now

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher 6 лет назад +2

      TheGerthax
      Be warned, it's a long one.

    • @gungriffen
      @gungriffen 4 года назад +1

      It's on Netflix if you haven't yet.

    • @lordskunk5912
      @lordskunk5912 3 года назад +1

      It's still on netflix

    • @sskoog
      @sskoog 3 года назад

      I put at seventy percent 3:10 to Yuma, thirty percent Last Samurai. Maybe that's too cute a one-line summary, but it truly is an incredible film. Builds slowly.

  • @jfw091
    @jfw091 6 лет назад +1

    Many people do refer to Star wars as a space Western, and thinking there needs to be a desert or sand to be a western is kind of silly, what's more important the plot, characters, development, tropes, and iconic visual style, or sand. You've got your definition of what a true western is, that's all good we all have our own definition systems, I just think it's literally pointless to seperate things out like that, no no this is a true western because I think it fits more in the category i created while watching westerns as a 8 year old, and that one doesn't because it tried new things. but your review, moving forward lol

  • @JeffreyDeCristofaro
    @JeffreyDeCristofaro 2 года назад

    "Look, I fixed your movie." Can't help but feel that's pretty much what you've done with each review.

  • @MelvinWillikers
    @MelvinWillikers 6 лет назад +3

    why didn't they leave the date and place vague.

  • @excelisfun
    @excelisfun 6 лет назад +6

    Great video! Have to go and watch it.

  • @maiidegeese5052
    @maiidegeese5052 6 лет назад +1

    As far as text books are concerned, in my experience at least, Indigenous peoples didn't come into existence until the Trail of Tears, and the rest of them were killed at Wounded Knee. Then it about ends.
    Maybe the big skirmishes stopped in the 1880s but there were still some fires from the Indian Wars that were smoldering. That scene for example would have made sense in Colorado or Utah when there were still raids on ranches by young Ute Indians.
    There was even a "1913 Navajo War", which honestly though sounds way more bloodier than it actually was. Basically, religious zealot Indian Agent kicks a hornet nest, and the army is begrudgingly sent in.

  • @russsnyder2026
    @russsnyder2026 6 лет назад +1

    You didn’t care for Appaloosa?

  • @pi8869
    @pi8869 5 лет назад +1

    Overcoming hate is what makes this country great.

  • @royblekman8186
    @royblekman8186 6 лет назад +5

    Would you like to do a review on the movie Catch Me If You Can (2002)?

  • @thiccboss4780
    @thiccboss4780 6 лет назад +2

    this was a great analysis , seems you loved the film as much as LSOO in his Hostiles and Wind River: Bound by Sorrow video.
    guess i should watch them once i'm ready with my western homework

  • @StewartFletcher
    @StewartFletcher 6 лет назад +1

    What about 2011 True Grit?

  • @fuzzydunlop7928
    @fuzzydunlop7928 6 лет назад +2

    Hey, Cipher, excellent video as usual! I'd like to know what you think of the film "Captain Corelli's Mandolin" and the events that it's supposed to cover - the battle, and resultant massacre, of the Acqui Division on the Greek island of Cephalonia during the Second World War. It's an episode of the war that's gone virtually unknown to the world outside of the areas it affected and those who partook in the events so I was very surprised it was chosen as the basis for a major motion picture, though it is one of the largest single massacres of POWs during the war and also one of the more tragic instances of 'friendly-fire'. I don't mean for you to actually make a video on it or anything, I'd just like to know if you've seen it and what your thoughts happened to be on the film's direction and the source material. :)

  • @charlesmiller6281
    @charlesmiller6281 Год назад

    Saw it recently. One of the best, most powerful and meaningful movies in years.

  • @sooners765
    @sooners765 4 года назад +2

    One of the best movies I've seen in years.

  • @111oooo
    @111oooo 3 года назад +2

    Seen Hostiles a few times, really good movie

  • @nomadicle6867
    @nomadicle6867 6 лет назад +2

    The native kid had no emotion

    • @hg077
      @hg077 5 лет назад +1

      Big Franku dude that’s how it was back then. Kids nowadays grow up with a conflictive family and supposedly have “ptsd”. back then, native children and settlers children could lose their whole family in one raid or battle and they were expected to just move on.

  • @blakeb106
    @blakeb106 6 лет назад +2

    Can you review Midway (1976)? It’s major innacuracies come from the stock footage they had to use due to budget. However the way they show the planning and reconnisaince (yeah, I can’t spell), I hear is pretty spot on. It’s got some great performances from some great actors and is in my opinion one of the last Great War spice of its time.

  • @ElCrab
    @ElCrab 4 года назад +1

    A bit late to this, but my take on the inclusion of each episode of violence was to encapsulate the history of the US Army on the frontier and even back east. Each conflict they deal with is essentially a microcosm of their duties: fighting Indians, policing the expansion of the lands (and often evicting treaty violators, as in the Black Hills after the 1874 expedition confirmed the presence of gold), dealing with the KKK in the South, and ultimately being asked to also deal with Indian outbreaks and the overall Indian question. The ending points to a bit of that conundrum, both in finding a place for the Indians now that the war is over ((literally and figuratively), and what someone like Captain Blocker will do now that he has no enemies left.
    It also captures the makeup of the Army in microscale: battle-hardened officers (one commissioned and one an NCO), a fresh West Pointer, a black trooper, and an immigrant recruit. This would not be accurate as a unit due to segregation, but it truly makes up a cross-section of the frontier US Army. Later we find examples of their struggle with PTSD and alcohol, boredom, etc, intermixed with brief moments of excitement and terror from conflict.
    The screenwriter died long before this script was found in a drawer and sold, so we don’t have the benefit of asking him about these things, but as someone who has read and studied the Indians Wars era for three decades, that was my take on the seemingly anachronistic construction and events of this movie.

    • @gallantcavalier3306
      @gallantcavalier3306 2 года назад

      YES!!!! YES!!!!!!! This comment is gold, because it checks the boxes of everything this movie did right, historically and narratively. Excellent observation and excellent takeaway, outstanding!

  • @RC--ji2ov
    @RC--ji2ov 6 лет назад +6

    Yay another based on a true stories!

  • @papigrande4378
    @papigrande4378 6 лет назад +1

    If a movie is set in the old west then it's a western. Star Wars is a western set in outer space.

  • @chrais78
    @chrais78 2 года назад +1

    Excellent video, definitely want to watch the film.

  • @901Cardinal
    @901Cardinal 6 лет назад +3

    This film and Wind River are the only two films in the last decade to handle the discussion of the treatment of the American Indians beautifully. Not as some firebrand political message. Not at all but showing us the human condition, that we are all flawed, we make mistakes, we can over come hate and that some things sadly cannot be forgiven. However we can learn from it and make sure it never happens again in history. And also realize the harsh reality that modern America wouldn’t exist without the terrible bloodshed. Many would try and justify it but rather I think as Americans we should instead have that uneasy feeling motivate us to preserve the legacy of Native History. So it never fades away. Dancing with Wolves was the first movie to show this.
    (Edit) I am no way justifying the violence at all. Rather I am expressing the elephant in the room, the ugly truth that this country wasn’t just given to us. No way around it and no one to justify the conflicts regardless of who one thinks was innocent from the start. Given that history at times can at times be difficult to comprehend or discuss.

    • @hg077
      @hg077 5 лет назад

      John .F amen

    • @hg077
      @hg077 5 лет назад

      tonywords it is but the message they both cast are really ignored when it’s been trying to catch attention for years which is why I love it. Especially hostiles. I’m not afraid to admit that my ancestors weren’t always the victims but that’s how it was in the wild west

  • @johnkapp849
    @johnkapp849 6 лет назад +1

    Everything is a Western. The Western doesn't depend on setting, it depends on if the film is beholden to the Frontier Narrative of FJT.

  • @The_Greedy_Orphan
    @The_Greedy_Orphan 6 лет назад +2

    Thank you for this review,I'll be looking out for this film in the UK.

  • @skaraborgcraft
    @skaraborgcraft Год назад

    Whats the misic on the outro?

  • @Alex-oy6wb
    @Alex-oy6wb Год назад

    0:48 “we haven’t seen a proper epic western since Open Range”
    Wth? Guess I don’t see why Open Range is such a great Western. Hope you do a video on it. Now, Unforgiven, is a great movie. Maybe do a video on that.

  • @DanielA-pq8vv
    @DanielA-pq8vv 6 лет назад +1

    Have you read War of a Thousand Deserts by Brian Delay? I'm curious on your take in this book and would like to know if you would make more videos based on the Borderlands scholarship. It's rich but I'm having difficult to define Borderlands in such a way it makes sense to me. Thank you!

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  6 лет назад +1

      I have it on the shelf (digitally), but haven't read it. I was going to use it for a paper I wrote, but the index didn't have what I wanted. Just one of many borderlands books, I'm afraid. Maybe I'll talk about borderlands history, but it is a weird subject to summarize in 10-20 minutes

    • @DanielA-pq8vv
      @DanielA-pq8vv 6 лет назад

      Thanks for your reply. I love your videos and hope to see more of your work. Cheers, m8.

  • @redcoatgaming4141
    @redcoatgaming4141 6 лет назад

    As a fan of spaghetti westerns is there any other westerns you will recommend?

  • @gungriffen
    @gungriffen 4 года назад +1

    I've really enjoyed this film.
    I saw it I guess as the "Modern Frontier Myth"
    To often in recent years has the West been presented as white people casually conquering the west in leisure when in reality it was an uphill battle against a determined enemy and general territory.
    Once you left the fort walls everything, everyone, and including the terrains itself from flat baron deserts to tundra style mountain tops including the wild life was Hostile.

  • @TUCOtheratt
    @TUCOtheratt 4 года назад

    The 1892 thing bugged me a lot too. Should have been 1882

  • @aaalex56
    @aaalex56 3 года назад

    It was really nice to see Ben Foster and Christian Bale together in a film like this. 3:10 to Yuma vibes

  • @celticmagiclad9928
    @celticmagiclad9928 4 года назад +1

    Loved this movie, watched it when it came out. Best western of this decade

  • @darrenmcg97
    @darrenmcg97 2 года назад

    Absolutely fantastic film I can't understand why it was filmed in 1891' all the same really well acted

  • @kylez8010
    @kylez8010 6 лет назад

    Have you read Three Years Among the Comanches by Nelson Lee? I returned it to the library last year after seeing that i can read it online, but still haven't got back to it yet.

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  6 лет назад

      The Comanche history I've read is Pekka Haimalainan's Comanche Empire. It's linked in the description and quite a good read

  • @charlietheanteater3918
    @charlietheanteater3918 6 лет назад +3

    Hey cynical historian quick question, were Calvary soldiers (the old fashioned ones in the blue) really still roaming out in the West in the 1890s like depicted in the film?
    This is a question that’s really been bugging me sense I saw the movie in January. As you can tell I really didn’t care for this movie much, When I went into the theater I was expecting something amazing because the trailers looked genuinely interesting, but instead I saw a bore fest that went on for what felt like twice it’s length. I appreciate what the film was trying to do but it really didn’t entertain me or keep me very interested.

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  6 лет назад +6

      Many frontier garrisons were being decommissioned in the 1890s. Many still existed in 1892, but they were generally useless by that point

    • @charlietheanteater3918
      @charlietheanteater3918 6 лет назад +2

      The Cynical Historian thanks

  • @justsomebloke621
    @justsomebloke621 5 лет назад +1

    They weren't slavers, they were fur trappers.

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  5 лет назад

      It's not one or the other. They can be both, as many really were. In the film they specifically state their goals as well, so i don't know why you're saying otherwise

    • @justsomebloke621
      @justsomebloke621 5 лет назад +1

      @@CynicalHistorian because in the movie when the chief's son picks up the trail he says to the group in the Cheyanne language, "Fur hunters. Three of them." I'm not denying what they intended to do with the woman or if historically some fur traders kidnapped woman for pleasure. I'm just saying in the movie they called them fur hunters. That's why I said it.

  • @Jared_Wignall
    @Jared_Wignall Год назад

    Great film. Defiantly underrated and overlooked. Christian Bale should have been nominated for an Academy Award.

  • @scottishbutamerican4498
    @scottishbutamerican4498 4 года назад

    Hostiles was not based on a true story. It was based on events that often happened. All characters are made up and the plot is made up. But stuff like this actually happened. Thought I’d put that out there

  • @golgarisoul
    @golgarisoul 6 лет назад

    Damn. I started to tear up from those closing words.

  • @jfarinacci0329
    @jfarinacci0329 2 года назад +1

    good review. thank you.

  • @Nickmusimiecconajmniej3znaki
    @Nickmusimiecconajmniej3znaki 3 года назад

    About the year of action - I think it meant to be kind of symbolic, as it's placed 2 years after the year of 1890, which is vastly treated as the date of "the end of Indian Wars" in the USA.

  • @navajoguy8102
    @navajoguy8102 3 года назад

    A movie that captures more or less the sense of entitlement that settlers had at the end. Family stories of natives often talk about how hostile whites were to those who wondered off rez.

  • @antiochusiiithegreat7721
    @antiochusiiithegreat7721 6 лет назад +1

    Nice review man. It's funny I live a walk away from a native massacre called the "Allen family massacre". They were iroquois I believe part of the british army making their way to Saratoga.

  • @jamesbrown6020
    @jamesbrown6020 Год назад

    3:10 to Yuma was after open rang i think and it was a pretty proper western, id also argue dead wood counts even though its an hbo show

  • @itzdono
    @itzdono 6 лет назад +8

    Could you please do Red Dead Redemption? If you're not a gamer, you could watch someone's play-through like Many a True Nerd. You said you love westerns & there is a sequel coming up.

    • @leathery420
      @leathery420 6 лет назад

      When ever I think of the over arching plot of that game it always screams The Wild Bunch to me. An ex gunslinger in the dying west (1911) is hired by some government/railroad officials to hunt down his old running mates who are trying to retire before they got the way of the gunslinger/cowboy. They rob a bank/rail road office in a set up, and then decide to cross the border into mexico where they are embroiled in the civil war. They end up working between sides and finally meet up with their old friend who has been working on tracking them down since the ambush back in the states. Really I love that movie, and in a way I feel it shares somewhat the same message as Hostiles, though with an even darker evil that men/hearts of darkness vibe. Though hostiles is much more about trying to understand it. The Wild Bunch is more of unflinching violence that wasn't super common at the time.
      Well Sam Peckinpah's films for the most part were hit or miss he definitely has several decent films that were influential in their depiction of violence in film. Dude was fucking crazy though he is supposed to have fired a revolver loaded with live ammo into a wall on set one day. he supposedly did in a drunken rage over his frustration of his crews apparent inability at capturing the gunfire and smoke on tape. Exclaiming something like "Is it really this fucking hard!?!?!"

    • @hg077
      @hg077 5 лет назад

      leathery420 that first paragraph coulda been GTA 5 lmao

  • @shoddyworkmanship4934
    @shoddyworkmanship4934 6 лет назад +1

    Did you see, and what did you think of, the Adam Ruins Everything about westerns?

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  6 лет назад +2

      Pretty dumb and unnuanced. The history ones of that show were often fairly bad

  • @tr1657
    @tr1657 5 лет назад

    Anyone know what the music used at 3:00 is?

  • @inthemomenttomoment
    @inthemomenttomoment 3 года назад +1

    Red & White loving each other is like a Pink Ponderosa in an authentic Red White & Blues Paradise.🇺🇸🌞👁️🐣💃✌️💗

  • @MrHermango
    @MrHermango 5 лет назад

    The movie makes reference to President Harrison. Died 1841. Maybe it’s 1842 which puts a wrench in everything.

  • @jake2557
    @jake2557 6 лет назад

    You could review a movie called 'Their finest' it's based in the 1940s about a film production making a "based on a true story" I've watched a few of your videos and I believe this movie is perfect for you to review because it shows why they change accurate things to make the movie "better" so they say.

  • @thiccboss4780
    @thiccboss4780 6 лет назад

    hey , i know you never reply to insipid comments , but , what qualifies Open Range as the true last proper western ever made? 0:48

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  6 лет назад

      Because i forgot about True Grit when i made that video

    • @thiccboss4780
      @thiccboss4780 6 лет назад

      WOW thank you so much for replying , i know you must be busy but may i take advantage of the situation to ask about Trumbo with Bryan Cranston , is it Historically Faithful in your very brief opinion?

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  6 лет назад

      I don't remember TBH. I watched it and wasn't left with much of an impression

    • @thiccboss4780
      @thiccboss4780 6 лет назад

      oh well , thanks for replying anyway. Godspeed

    • @thiccboss4780
      @thiccboss4780 5 лет назад

      Please for the love of God talk about Red Dead Redemption 2 and if it can stand as a westerner story on its own

  • @clydeallen738
    @clydeallen738 9 месяцев назад

    is this the same movie Clint Eastwood wanted to make with John Wayne?

  • @glammie4
    @glammie4 6 лет назад +2

    I'm sorry but the Indians were here first. Didn't we kind of STEAL from them first ? The opening scene was horrific.But I imagine the rage the Indians felt at having us taking them off their lands and all the rotten things we did. Maybe if we just talked there would not have been all this bloodshed. America was theirs first. The way they start to see each other as human beings is beautiful. BUT again the Indians were robbed and we need to do more for those that still live on reservations. Great movie, one I would not usually watch. If you like this movie, watch Tears of the Sun as well.

  • @ThomasK96
    @ThomasK96 6 лет назад

    I highly recommend the Disney movie Savage Sam to see a character that truly understands hate.

  • @orangypteco8858
    @orangypteco8858 6 лет назад

    You ever seen Chicogrande??? It's a Mexican movie but it's based on the largely forgotten Punitive Expedition.

  • @tarkurius
    @tarkurius 5 лет назад

    One note... there were no slavers in the movies, just some rapey hunters.

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  5 лет назад

      do you think there was a difference? I'd advise listening to what the captors say in the movie itself and reading _Captives and Cousins_ to alleviate that misconception

  • @airmackeeee6792
    @airmackeeee6792 6 лет назад

    Hey Cypher, ever considered doing a review on Generation Kill?

  • @markmclarnon7035
    @markmclarnon7035 6 лет назад

    Would you ever do a review on inglorious bastards or more to my taste the people they wheir based on british troops referred to as X soilders

  • @jacktorrance2633
    @jacktorrance2633 2 года назад

    The Revanent was bologna? I thought it actually happened. Of course with some artistic license, but still..

  • @j.b.booker7912
    @j.b.booker7912 6 лет назад

    Cleavon Little holding it in and Gene Wilder noticing it is the best

  • @ronduff4325
    @ronduff4325 3 года назад

    Seen it when it first came out . Great Movie , classic !

  • @Giaayokaats
    @Giaayokaats 6 лет назад

    Can you take a deeper dive into this? The subject matter was profoundly resonant, but I'm left wanting a more thorough analysis.

  • @ToenzZz
    @ToenzZz Год назад

    Thank you

  • @Elixor43579
    @Elixor43579 6 лет назад

    Could you please give your thoughts on AMC’s the terror?

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  6 лет назад

      not much to say. It has a supernatural monster, which is obviously false

  • @DrJacquesCOULARDEAU
    @DrJacquesCOULARDEAU 5 лет назад

    Surviving after a genocide
    medium.com/@JacquesCoulardeau/surviving-after-a-genocide-8ed249186f58
    SCOTT COOPER - HOSTILES - 2017
    This film is thus a call for stepping over past divides, past hatred, past hostilities, past conflicts and building a new world of harmony, discussion, exchange, and togetherness. We can today pull down the mental and psychological walls we have built between the various ethnic groups and cultural communities in our societies.

  • @Baamthe25th
    @Baamthe25th 6 лет назад +3

    I had troubles with that one right from the openning scene : The father could have survived if didn't go and actually aimed. Emotional, sure, but kinda dumb... Same for the character dying one by one, predictibly too, made it feel far too heavy handed for me.

  • @EllieDoesStuff-ii8zb
    @EllieDoesStuff-ii8zb 4 года назад

    i’ve seen this film. it’s very dark and disturbing, but the message is powerful and i really recommend it

  • @seanmercer4686
    @seanmercer4686 6 лет назад +5

    Woah wait, Django Unchained is very much a western lol

  • @JerkyMurky
    @JerkyMurky 6 лет назад +1

    One: Westerns can be and are often not set in the American west or in the time of westword expansion. The western genre is based more on theme then on aesthetic... Logan is a western, and so is Star wars. Two: the hateful 8 is not a b movie... I don't think you know what a b movie actually is.

  • @BifronsCandle
    @BifronsCandle 6 лет назад +2

    I dislike the attempt to bring "Both Sides" into the Western narrative. Yes, we get it, the natives (or rather, native tribes) committed atrocities against white settlers, and were just as much gripped by hatred. But trying to draw some equivalence in an unequal situation between two arbitrary parties is silly. I also find the comparisons to certain modern day "struggles" to be a bit trite.
    That said, I think your point about "hate != ignorance" is a strong one. Hate is rooted in rationalization of the facts around you, that may or may not be correct. I also appreciate how there are films that are far removed from the more whitewashed, utopian view of natives I've seen in some films.

    • @hg077
      @hg077 5 лет назад

      SlyBiffrons I like this comment, many people think it’s pretty equal but yet aren’t exactly aware about the entire situation with native Americans today. Like “oh yeah those natives that you put on reservations over a century ago? They’re still there, and they’re all dying off slowly from alcoholism, murder, rape, drugs, and suicide, y’know, thanks to the government” lol

  • @joolz80male
    @joolz80male 4 года назад

    Is there Any MOVIES on when the White Europeans first arrived in the "Americas" and took the land away from the Native Americans?

  • @benjaminhariri602
    @benjaminhariri602 6 лет назад +7

    Please for Gods sake, review Sabaton, just one song would be enough, perhaps Carolus Rex?

    • @Daniel_Lancelin
      @Daniel_Lancelin 6 лет назад

      I second this notion. Perhaps you could have some kind of mini-series for reviewing music about history. Another band I'd recommend is Warbringer. While not all of their songs are based off of historical events, the ones that are truly capture the horror of war in my opinion. My favorite is "When the Guns Fell Silent", a song about World War 1 that draws inspiration from poets who fought in the trenches.