Hostiles (2017) - Cheyenne Burial Scene
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Hostiles is low key one of the best movies of the 2010s and this is probably the best scene where everything comes to a head. Scott Cooper and Christian Bale team up again for this modern western set in 1892.
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I always come back to this scene because of its authenticity. It’s easy to paint a picture of how cowboy era used to look like, but this was it. Real, quiet, and simple. The mood didn’t need extra drama.
Exaxtlyyyyy
What?
This is filled with drama 🤣
Idiot
The gunfight is rather silly though. You would think the guys on horseback would be smart enough not to simply sit on a horse and get into a gunfight, making them giant targets out in the open, especially when they are up against an equal number of opponents.
@@simonphoenix3789 well like.
It's a movie.
So
@@simonphoenix3789I just meant as a production, not the actual gun shooting. I just love how the film isn’t over dramatized.
God this scene was hard to watch. You get so used to shootouts in movies where they get all the bad guys without losing anyone.
a trick: you can watch movies on flixzone. Me and my gf have been using it for watching lots of of movies lately.
@Lawson Pablo yup, been watching on flixzone for months myself :D
@@vitalmotivation0 deez nuts
None of the above comments are related it always is curious to me the process in which this happens.
A relevant comment to horseradish 28 would be to say welcome to waking up to reality.
@@crimsonfox87fluxule62 the people burying someone on someone else’s land were the bad guys tbh..
I don't see why a rich man would challenge four men against four other men if he can just hire 12 more men to do the job.
hubris
Underrated and terrific
I love when movies accurately portray women being stupid and walking into gun fire
True to life.
You can't just go an bury someone on another person's property without their consent. Common sense
No more " Get out of my property " the last scream say...
Im pretty sure they gpt the old man from the Walking Dead series playing Hershel
You can tell the actress who shot the rifle has little to no experience with one
Why
If you like this movie I highly recommend you go watch “The Missing” stares and directed by Tommy Lee Jones. It’s just as violent and deals with the Native American culture.
Terrible part is how the land owners posse focuses on shooting the unarmed native Americans first despite being under fire from no one amongst the native Americans. Made this gunfight even harder to watch as the final survivors besides the boy of all this war be killed just before the end.
The way Bale's eyes convey the *"So its all gonna come down to this..."* expression way before the shooting starts is perfect.
The entire cast from this movie is spectacular!
A great actor.
And poeple pay to watch crap like Venon and nobody knows about a great piece like that.
definitely good movie 🎥
“Where we come from , natives ain’t got no rights” - 1700s 1800s white race, anglos xenophobia!.👍🏽
His eyes at the end as well, when he sees Cyrus running away, and his whole party dead.
Without any facial expression, Bale conveys such a consuming hatred and anger at seeing more needless death.
I've watched the film at least 6 times, and this scene in particular countless times. Every time, by the end, my heart is racing and my hands are shaking.
The true definition of cinema.
I always thought that this was one of Bale's best performances. His intensity is palpable and his presence in every scene is just electric.
he's one of best ever. in the first act when he walked out of the fort with his revolver when against his will was ordered to take them on this journey that primal yell of rage and frustration and after this battle the traumatized eyes of chaos when he turns around its just amazing the emotion and realness he portrays. i would absolutely love it if they could show joe blockers earlier days of battles against the natives and when chief yellow hawk was in his prime filling slop buckets.
@@arnoldjanikowski7122 Even the scene where he's ordered to do it, he doesn't say anything, barely even moves a muscle.
He conveys so much through the tiniest of facial expressions.
It’s the build up where he doesn’t make eye contact until just before the bullets start flying.
What 3.10 to Yuma isn't.
*_John 10.9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly._*
_Jesus Christ loves you. Only Jesus Christ saves. Repent and be saved. God bless you, and the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all._
Scott Wilson aka Herschel Green’s final movie role.
I thought it was him
Greene. You spelled his characters name from twd wrong.
He did a great job making me like him on TWD and a great job at being a bastard in this.
Greene*
Ha I knew it. I knew the face was familiar.
Why on earth did u cut out the end where he finishes him off and turns around? Come on. Smh
Exactly.
No kidding dude like wow
I read this before watching and didn't even rewatch it. WTF
I love how the beauty of the landscape clashes with the violence of the human aspect. Its definitely deliberate. Especially with Bale’s brutal execution of Cyrus at the end, where we see a gorgeous vista, entirely unspoiled except for the two humans and the carnage transpiring between them.
I agree. It fits perfectly with the quote at the beginning of the movie: “The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted.”
“When you read too much into movies”
It happened before the White Europeans arrived. Mel Gibson was as his usual creepy post-apocalyptic "Mad Max" that gave him global fame, also expert at showing the peculiar cruelties almost too intimate that was going on in a pre-Columbian America in his opus, "Apocalypto"
If a man said to me " You just aint hearing me " the way Bale said...damn, I'd apologize immediately while dancing backwards
“Yes sir. Come to think of it, you just go about your business. We’re gonna go on home now. Boys… it’s supper time.”
он дурак что сократил дистанцию, ребята вооружены пистолетами, сокращение дистанции - помощь противнику,
самоуверенное депрессивное гавно.
@@Cabalero24 eh wrong. He was also armed with a pistol and they were mounted making their range of movement lesser.
@@Redbird1504
он был вооружён пистолетом, но его команда вооруженап ружьями, незачем жрать свинец горстями, плюсом: сидящие на лошадях всадники - это прекрасная мишень которая не может нормально целиться,
все эти "крутые" фильмы полны тупизны и сказок - набор тупых клише от десятка никчёмных сценаристов которые прогуливали школу.
Cause u have no balls and ain’t willing to die to stand your ground
After hating the chief with all his heart, he now defended the chief with his life. What turn of events. The is the best movie I've seen all my life.
If you like this read Ghost Platoon, thank me later
Character development
@@easttexassplendor9670thank you for the recommendation.
он выполнял приказ.
Man i feel really really bad for you if this is the best movie you’ve ever seen. Wake up. Its a good movie but best ever? Your insane
if you haven’t seen this film you are missing out of a masterpiece
I do not like realistic western's (outside of deadwood). I like the white hat vs the black hat and no nuance in between.
@@timmian85 Why?
*_John 10.9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly._*
_Jesus Christ loves you. Only Jesus Christ saves. Repent and be saved. God bless you, and the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all._
@@williammunny9916 Bait.
@@timmian85you must also like being a cocksmoker you tasteless dog
One of the best westerns made imho
Such a good movie.
So good. So many good actors
I’m your huckleberry
Lmfao
Absolutely Agree.
This is why you never underestimate people or what they've been through.
Exactly. Justo.
😂 glad they all died on stolen land.
the most dangerous person it is the one that have nothing to lose.
Why not just leave instead getting a bunch of people killed lmfao
On both sides. Perhaps the rancher lost kin to the Cheyenne.
There is no way that bail and studi shouldn’t have got Oscar noms. They were incredible
What do you think you need to go to win an Oscar please tell us he spoke like 5 times
@@Casca-su3tylololol
“Bale” Dude. Words matter.
@@upcoming3341no one asked
@@itzangel619 I did! If you’re going to praise someone for an Oscar nom, LEARN TO SPELL THEIR NAME! Is that how low the bar is?
Is this location real? Where was this scene filmed?
After some digging, I understand this was filmed in Wet Mountain Valley, Colorado. Quite a breathtaking location.
Of course it is.
montana.. one of the most beautiful states in the USA
@@burntthetoast is it really? i’m in CO right now, but either way. both states are breathtaking. it’s what you make of it not the people
@@burntthetoast I find people of all places to be equally ignorant, just in a different way.
@@burntthetoast - you come off as pretty ignorant...
By now “Woman” is battle hardened. She’s lost her whole family, she’s witnessed attacks of all kinds and she’s ready to defend. Cyrus doesn’t realise it…
Another incredible character transformation through tragedy in a Western is Sadie Adler in Red Dead Redemption 2
@@wanghiskhan7345 disagree, I really hated Sadie, a lot of the times she seemed forced
@@herbseinburg449wow, interesting take
@@wanghiskhan7345 I think it’s her voice, it doesn’t sound natural at all
@@herbseinburg449 her voice is awesome, so I don't follow ya at all there. In the epilogue especially after she really comes into her own. I like pretty much ever voiced role in the games maybe not Molly at times because of how whiny, but even then, I'm splitting hairs
3:28 hershel should have known better. u can literally see it in her eyes. shes not playing. after all what she went through...
I just looked at the movie and your right thats Herschel from walking dead, and i actually did not pay much attention to walking dead after the Governor, Herschel and Darrells brother got killed, it kinda went off the rails to me, just like fear of walking went off the Rails after season 3.
She’s now a hardened woman, seeing all she has seen. Cyrus badly underestimated her
@@algycole the most dangerous person is the one that have nothing to lose.
She didn't hesitate a millisecond when he stopped talking. Good woman to have your back.
Never been in a gunfight but this is the most realistic western gunfight scene Ive ever seen
What are you high?
The gun fight at the end of Open Range is pretty damn good imho. Highly recommend it if you haven't seen it.
@@moshunit96 Except for getting 14 shots out of a 6 shooter... that was a little faux paux in Open Range.
No way guys under fire shoot that well with pistols
@@johnstacy7902 they were use to it 😂 they knew nothing more for years on end than fighting
Some people just can’t read a situation.
"A man's got to know his limitations" - Harry Callahan
00:24 the way he shrugs off the sweat he already knows what's about to go down , he knows right off the bat theres about to be a verbal dispute that will eventually turn hostile , he knows it for a fact and is just hoping theres little to no dead bodies after the ordeal
“Where we come from , natives ain’t got no rights” - 1700s 1800s white race, anglos xenophobia!.👍🏽
@@alpaz7634”where im from my enemies have no rights” every human civilization
Sure you know every human civilization.
It still amazes me, how anglos think about other peoples and races.
Am sure you are not a Christian!
@@alpaz7634 if you think about the only reason we can enjoy life is because our ancestors slaughtered others so we could exist in the present reality we all share and enjoy when we can. we all know people only believe in god when its convenient.
@@alpaz7634"Carthage delenda est". Wiping natives from the map for being in the way of settlers is an old, old practice, with lots of scriptural precedence. Do leep the multiple times Canaan got taken by Hebrew refugees. And local desires over federal law is at the root of political issues all over the world.
Am I the only one who thinks Christian bale would make a good John marston
John Marston is easy. Who do we find to play Arthur? That's the real conundrum.
@@LoudaroundLincoln Bradley cooper
@@LoudaroundLincoln Tom Hardey.
@@moshunit96100% Tom Hardy
@@forrestpenrod2294Tom Hardy would make a better Micah imo
When Christian Bale grabs his knife and stalks before he stabs him repeatedly wow. Awesome!!!
When I watched this movie and saw him go after Cyrus with that knife, I thought, "He's gonna scalp that trash alive," and I was really disappointed he didn't.
That would have made a nice decoration for the grave
Dude, cyrus got something so much worse.
He cut his throat the way he described yellow hawk cutting his friend's throat, from stem to stern 🤮
@@getschwifty9531 Porque no los dos?
@@rifelaw prefiero ser pelado porque ya soy pelon.
@@getschwifty9531 Kind of reminds me of Del Gue in "Jeremiah Johnson".
These guys remind me of that Shanghai noon quote “How do you survive out here?”
Picked a fight on horseback, at close range, without any cover. Ignored the fact that even if they survived the gunfight, they would have the army hunting them. Responded to having a gun pointed at them with “you ain’t got the nerve” before promptly getting shot.
Like seriously, how did this dude and his boys survive on the frontier as long as they did?
there is a reason it was called the wild west, it was quite literally wild, the sheer size of what was esentially unhabited lands for miles made it quite easy for crimes to be commited, at most the landowner would have notified the sheriff that he killed some tresspasers on his land
This was a good movie. It was, however, too tragic and sad. Some scenes were plain hard to watch.
Kinda like life
That's what makes it so damn good.
Jesus, this one of the most violent and realistic shootout scenes I’ve ever seen-and I’ve seen many westerns!
Criminally underrated film.
военный не будет давать преимущество противнику,
этот дурак подошёл к ребятам вооружённым пистолетами, он дал им преимущество.
Bale has had some great roles, but he kills it in this flick.
Literally 😊
This film is a masterpiece. Deserves a global audience. Pass it on. All the best to everyone. Always. Be kind. Always.
Never seen the movie, but that's gotta be one of the most realistic gunfights I've ever seen on film. Just chaos, no plot armor, just random death and panic on all sides.
Love Bale in this and 3:10 to Yuma. We need more modern gritty westerns
We sure hope westerns are going to make a great big come back !
Way things are going, a lot more western type scenarios will probably be playing out IRL.
Wouldn’t count on it. This was, I think, the best western since Unforgiven. A masterpiece. However it barely made its budget back. If it doesn’t have superheroes or is a reboot/extension of an existing IP then nobody cares.
@@lokiprepperlmfao what the fuck are you talking about
@@lokiprepper Don't bet on it. We are a country of laws.
@@storbokki371Not for long with the amount of Bantu bioweapons roaming the streets and becoming more and more bestialized by the day. At this stage we are just circling the drain of collapse.
Can't even imagine the PTSD people of that era walked around with.
Not as bad as today I would say. People’s minds were wired different then. I could give a long winded explanation but Il save our time for something different
It's called grow a pair and learn how to drink.
@@krishurlburt7375 No it's not. But good luck with that.
Old guy was right Bale should have respected him by not going through his fields like some arrogant prick. Sorry it was his property. Just because you have a piece of paper saying you can doesn't mean you should without talking to the owner first. Those commenting on her saying old guy was the bad guy, would you feel the same if the government said you have to lose your property or add something on your property i.e. Immenent Domain? Or if you had to pay a reparation for something you and yours never did? Think about it.
@@jb7483 and yet the old guy is a retard for thinking they wouldn't start shooting, or that he and his sons would be fine. It's not like Bale's party was settling there, it was just a burial. Plus add to that the casual nature of land in the time period, it's not like the guy bought it off someone who had a lease, he just claimed land that didn't have any other whites on it at the time. Live by violent conquest and expect to die by violent conquest.
Really great to see the captain and chief develop during the course of the film, all while seeing such awesome country !
Rule #1: Never tell a woman holding a rifle in your direction that you don’t think she’s got the guts to shoot!
After Rule #1, the rest doesn’t matter!
just stop, cringelord
They had cover, were more spread out and had the enemy's flank. They got off the first shot and it immediately took one of them down and surprised them obviously. There's no reason the dudes on horseback should've lasted as long as they did.
Sharpshooter horsemen lets say..
you need to write the script dude and tell him he messed up,redo the scene
Tactically, i agree. Cinematically, the shootout had to live in an extended time sequence to maximize the horror of what is happening.
Written like a true firefight veteran. Veteran of watching movies that is.
1 reason. It is a movie.
Never realized Bale could do this....this isn't so much acting as it is real world expression of people and personalities of that time. this scene nailed it on the head....the rancher or landowner is typical of racist garbage that deserved just the end he came to for his arrogance and self confidence. Bale was bad ass.
The racist garbage landowner stole land from the Natives after his own US government committed genocide for his and others' benefit. Sounds like the "true American success story" to me. The truth of a nation's founding gets downright ugly, genocidal and downright demonic when each layer of truth is peeled back and exposed.
@@snarkleton26 The landowner in this movie just behaves like a cardboard cutout for the movie to destroy, I struggle to imagine this encounter happening in real life, he would likely just seek a legal solution to the problem instead of firing on a US Army officer. But honestly, that guy probably had a family, and two members of the expedition died in this shootout, just so some chief can be buried in the right place. Am I meant to sympathise with our protagonists here?
This US Army officer under orders from the president barged on to this man's land illegally. Posse Comitatus stipulates federal troops cannot be deployed to home soil to act against American citizens, so this landowner was absolutely within his rights to tell him to leave.
It's not like the people who moralise about the natives practice what they preach. I don't see you getting on a boat, no, and in fact, your type tend to be in favour of policies that invite more people to live on "their" land with us.
I wouldn't want an injun in my ground, either.
People are really out here inferring that the landowner is an unfair caricature and then act just like him 👀
@@corey9746if ur gonna be racist at least say or spell their ethnic right . They aren’t indian their Sioux , Cheyenne etc . Maybe if u used this much energy to be racist to do something better u would be actually worth more then a nickel .
This scene had some very good and convincing acting. Absolutely incredible scenery. Unfortunately all that was completely ruined by what took place. For the very fact in real life only morons would have started that shootout with the landowner resulting in the deaths of some of their own party members. All over burying an already dead Indian. Nonsensical stupid crap.
Very underrated western. Both Bale and Studi were outstanding. Whole cast for that matter.
As a native I found this movie to be very realistic to that way of life then. The way many people acted is true to their movie characters. Bale came to far and seen to much to just walk at thus point. He's ready to defend his life for a group of people that he despised prior to making this trip. He learns that natives are human just as him by the end of this movie. Imagine what the natives been through to get to the point of prison in Arizona and have to back track to the lands where they came from. This and the Revnant are truly historic movies in authenticity.
cante wochangi
💯❤️👍🏾🙏🏾
ты видишь то чего нет,
он просто выполнял приказ,
он не изменил своего отношения к индейцам после этой поездки, его отношение уже было сформировано во время войны с индейцами, он их убивал не потому что ненавидел, он их убивал по приказу,
а в этой поездке он их защищал поприказу, он военный выполняющий приказы.
единственная сцена где он испытывает ненависть - там где он зарезал одного из сыновей старого дурака который начал эту ненужнгую бойню из-за ничего, он военный который ненавидит войну, но при этом продолжает выполнять приказы, после этого дела он уходит в отставку.
back then the world is so brutal, all those death are not worth it
The world is more brutal today, killing is done more seemlesly.
You don’t have to go far down the online rabbit hole to discover enlightenment. This world is brutality and carnage. It always has been.
Not much has changed.
Such a great movie. Outside this comments section I'm always the only one who's seen it!
I still like Tomestone better. Some of the best shots of the era. Everyone is running out of ammo and needs to reload, people are close enough to shove each other and let most of the shots miss.
They could have just waited until they all left and tore down all that stupid burial stuff
Hershel made a 180 for good hearted from his ancestors
I've never seen this film. Don't know anything of it. But I have to say, from this scene alone... I am on Cyrus' side. He seems like a prick and a racist, but essentially all he is saying is to stop trespassing.
If you ignore all that and assume it was just open territory. He's still in the "right" here. He was first to threaten violence, but last to act in violence. All they were doing was burying some dead man. They escalated the conflict to violence and got EIGHT MORE people killed for what... just so they could bury someone? Was that worth it? How? What a waste of life.
The Blocker at the start of the film would of started shooting the minute he backed off. But then again the Blocker at the start of the film probably wouldn't of cared about burying the chief anyway.
Thomas was not prepared to fight, poor soldier...
Fr, I feel bad for Thomas
i feel like of this move released today in 2022 it be #1 top movie of the year
This is one stupid scene. People behaving completely unrealistically...
Seems kinda dumb to get 3 ppl killed in your party to bury someone who’s already died but I guess the plot needed this?
You're probably under 18 years old if you didn't understand why
hollywood and their infantile make believe world makes fools of us all--i was really bothered when i found out santa claus was fake
Hershel
never thought u can hate him. hes a good actor.
Cyrus was misunderstood
Well it was their land and they had a right not have them “ bury” the Indian on it if they didn’t want it
Probably would have been better to just left them and after they left to just dispose of the body
The one thing that bothered me is that people KNEW how to take cover, even back then. Why did they not step back behind the trees when the shooting started? WTH?
damn those script writers,they do not know what they are doing--i would send them a message and let them know they need to change the scene,retake it,that you don't like it
She's got a rifle and only shoots once? wtf....
Great movie, instant classic; in my Top 10 of all time! Christian Bale should have definitely won an Academy Award for this role; Rosalind Pike and
Wes Studi also deserving of Oscar nods. The move is also very Oscar worthy through and through. Very underrated and overlooked movie; the story line, character development, and character evolution is absolutely stunning and awe inspiring. You never saw this ending coming. I was shook!
Watch old Henry
Rosamund Pike
he went up against a battle hard AMERICAN USA SOLIDER ON A MISSON …. That was your biggest mistake ….
The good, old times.
i doubt the shooters were so accurate back then
...How are you going to show this Brilliant Scene and cut it in the best part when he turns around like the symbolic "Marlboro Man" .....look at it?.... He is also a "savage" & by this point he is out of steam nearly or at least tired of it - however at this point it needs to be done more then ever to whomever is not "fair" with what was "came to be" by this timeframe as it also shows him heading into the 1900's with his hat change at the end... I love how the movie shows both sides and how it worked and also judge for yourself but because one side may have "won" depending how you look at it, does that make them the "pure evil" side? Truthfully ask yourself this and LMK.....
He's not "savage"....He is a HOSTILE.
"No writing on no paper" tells him what he can do on his land.
So I guess the deed he has means nothing?
I don't understand why everybody not holding a gun didn't immediately scatter and hit the deck when guns were drawn.
Ikr it seems for like forced tension cliche Hollywood bulls**t for the sake of “the drama” if you ask me.
Christian Bale would've gotten shot in the back instantly when he turned around exposing his pistol.
Project 2025... "Get off 'Your Land', a few my rich boys want to drill,drill, drill."
Good for Hollywood but like the "Earn this" last line in SAVING PRIVATE RYAN---I saw action in four decades, no one every guilt trips you when they are bleeding out, and a guy dying right next to you at war talks about his wife and kids, if he's married, or his girlfriend, otherwise, he never says anything as egotistical, prideful and just plain damn wrong as "Earn this"---this is not realistic at all. Bale is playing a very experienced combat commander. He has survived at war for more than one decade in all kinds of terrain. He would never stand in the open like this and not use the cover of the trees, to begin with. Neither would his comrade. They would first, and very quickly, get everyone behind trees with their bellies on the ground.
And Bale would next do what we do, us combat vets, when we ANTICIPATE combat: Shoulder a rifle and keep at least one sidearm on a hip or shoulder holster, or on a quick-draw holster just above the waist (Doc Holliday style). Plus, have at least one hold-out piece strapped to either leg, just above the ankle. You can walk and chew gum at the same time, which is to say, you can talk to the damn fool rancher with your own rifle shouldered, at the same time. A rifle on your shoulder says that you mean business, without having to say one word.
You don't wait for trouble to fall on you like a landslide from out of nowhere.
You stay ten steps ahead of the enemy by THINKING ten steps ahead of the enemy, in the first place.
And go loaded for bear, and then some. And those rifles would've been Winchesters, with plenty of ammo. Shoot to kill.
Am I missing something here but it looks like the guy shooting at 4:15 never gets plugged at all; everybody just forgets about him and lets him go? LOL
He is shot at 4.09 then later runs behind the log, he later tries to run away then gets shot then stabbed by blocker the protagonist
the camera cuts is a bit confusing but its the same guy who gunned down the father and mother
@@MrPanduh0 If you look it's the old man land owner that he stabs. The last guy was hit early then goes behind the log...but vanishes.
I think the message here is you don't have any property rights
Not if you violently seize the property from its previous owner
That’s actually a huge part of property law yknow
Bale is one of the GOATs of our time
he plays this part well with his acting but in real life he is mush
*_John 10.9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly._*
_Jesus Christ loves you. Only Jesus Christ saves. Repent and be saved. God bless you, and the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all._
They were all some damn good shots.
Man he played that scene badly. He could have, should have, blown the bad guys away at the outset (he had a keen sense of what was coming) and lost his advantage. He also would have probably saved more innocent lives. V realistic
So think about this, a bunch of trespassers come onto your land, demand they bury someone on it, you refuse and tell them to leave, they shoot at you, whose the bad guys here?
noble savage horse crap
Dumbass
The guy who uses a government generated property claim to steal a people’s native land while claiming the government can’t tell him what to do
They were there on US Army orders on the President's authority to simply bury 1 person and leave. He was respectfully informed of this, and yet he dismissed a presidential signed letter and its contents without even reading it, followed by his threatening of violence, insulted the natives in their party, then promised violent retribution upon the natives with them, despite there having been no violence (or overt threats from Walker's party) up to that point.
Your narrow, simple-minded view of the scene is based in pretty modern values of private property, whereby you somehow take a character who is very clearly a hateful, violent and dishonorable man, and make him out to be some sort of righteous victim who got done wrong and was actually in the moral right.
Amazing if you actually believe what you wrote, because it'd be a glaringly negative indication of the sort of beliefs and values you must hold.
Well,... it ended a couple seconds too short lol. Wanted to enjoy watching the old dude eat steel.
The best Western of all time! Better than Tombstone, True Grit, High Noon and Django Unchained. Every actor was spot on, especially Bale and Pike! The slow progression from absolute hatred to semi friendship was amazing to see and the writing on this film was near-perfect!! You're missing something if you don't watch this movie!
This was a great western no doubt but it sounds like there are many, many westerns you haven't seen.
This movie doesn't romanticize the time, it tells it like it is, hostile
The property owner was right. No president has the right to tell him what he has to do with his land.
it's not his land and since any land rights he thinks he has were not innate but generated by the government, the government does indeed have the right to tell him what to do with "his" land, whether a traitor like you likes it or not.
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Back then territories did not have the same Rights protected as the States did.
Maybe Bale’s best performance- you can read everything in Bale’s face, in his voice, in his body language. Didn’t say more than a few words- didn’t need to. He knew what was coming the moment Cyrus opened his mouth- and you can see that weary resignation to it in everything he does. And the ironic thing is that before all this, he would have sided with Cyrus in both word and deed. Joseph sees that, I think; hears himself in Cyrus’s bigotry and callousness, and he feels shame. He feels anger toward these men as he does towards himself. And he resigns himself to what he has to do, not just for the people in his charge but for himself.
Christian Bale conveys all of this without more than a few words spoken. It is criminal this movie didn’t get more exposure, because if it had, Bale would have at least gotten a nomination for Oscar if not won outright. It is a masterclass in intensity barely chained
The movie started out with a fool leaving a sturdy log cabin to run out and face numerous Indians alone and on foot. Foolish
Magnificent from beginning to end
Reading the comments it seems those that comment are uninformed as to the accuracy of a side arm of this era, not only are they hard to hit a target at more than 20 feet , but injuries , while severe, it generallyt takes several hits to,,,,,,,,,,,,,this is bumkum!
Old guy was right Bale should have respected him by not going through his fields like some arrogant prick. Sorry it was his property. Just because you have a piece of paper saying you can doesn't mean you should without talking to the owner first. Those commenting on here saying old guy was the bad guy, would you feel the same if the government said you have to lose your property or add something on your property i.e. Immenent Domain? Or if you had to pay a reparation for something you and yours never did? Think about it. Doesnt matter 5ft or an acre whats yours is yours.
you're right, just goes to show how stupid everyone is these days.
@jefflevensailor4379 Nothing is free. Read land contracts from back then and understand how the government works. Nothing is ever free, especially from the government. Only 40% could complete the process of obtaining land. The government could also take it if it thought it could be put to better use within 5 years or if it deemed you weren't turning a profit. House or land, what's yours is yours. The old guy had the right to shoot them once they clipped his fence. In the script, he was a rancher. Laws back then, if you clipped a ranchers fence, you didn't have to warn them. Trespassing isn't like today. Back then, it could be your life. Reality is not like Hollywood. In reality, he gave btch boy Bale and his "noble" ilk a courtesy by speaking to them. When in reality, he would have just shot them. Which would have happened. If it was so cheap, they should have paid the rancher. Plentiful, you say. Guess what? It was his. That is like saying you own too big of a yard. Let's give some of it to the illegals coming from Mexico. Something tells me you would act the same.
@@jb7483 good post, thank you ✌️
@@jb7483 Which is all completely irrelevant when you consider the rancher’s statement, “Where we come from, natives ain’t got no rights.” There’s what is (the law at that time), and there’s how it should be. The historical record of how native Americans were treated is truly abysmal, and disgusting. It’s truly appalling how people, even today hold tight to such antiquated views of “right by conquest”. It amounts to nothing more than something as inane as, ‘Murica!
@@VinDicator-70the Aboriginals living here all gained it by conquest and they at least knew the land never really was theirs, they just lived on it like all the other animals for unlike modern humans they still knew that they were animals themselves. Modern humans think they’re somehow special.
This was a dumb scene all around. You don't get to be as old as the old man, or even the grown sons, by asking for a gunfight in an open field against another armed group as mean and nasty as yourselves.
Buried within our peoples history are some layers few where ever taught in school, Dig into history and roots running under "The Doctrine of Discovery" and the term Terra Nullius , Indigenous speakers "Steven Newcomb" and "Mark Charles" on this topic.. The layers addressed within roots this intense film bring light to many deep issues we are struggling with today. I hope it will drive people to take a deeper reflective look at there source origins.
Lol you speak as if you're the only humans on earth to ever suffer, while suckling like a newborn on the very thing you claim causes it.
Brutal film. Very good, but just a tough watch at times.
Full scene with the end included where he finishes him off: ruclips.net/video/BR_5FJO7YbU/видео.html
thanks.
So more blood was spilt for something that was once a person but no longer had any blood.
No way anyone is hitting anyone firing one handed all noodle armed like that 😂
Imagine some randos on your property burying their friend and they shoot you when you ask them to fuck off.
Imagine not paying attention to an executive order from your President and trying to murder officers of your own military. And then dying because of it.
What a stupid reason to die.
Can't stand Bales politics, but dang if he ain't one heck of an actor.
Why do whites people hate natives I don’t understand? Do y’all just hate every race or somthin?
Everyone hates each other. It's not just a white thing.
it's not all white hate all natives, then it's easier to understand
Human history is filled with hatred and the need to dominate another. Even the natives weren't peaceful with each other. And it's not just the Americas. Take the history of every land, culture and people. None were peaceful. Either there would be infighting, or a group would attack another group. That is how the world has always been.
sorry, is your comment stupid? Who do you call "whites people"? I hate some kind of people but not because their skin or ethnie, it would be very stupid.
@@annmaryjohn3258 You're not wrong, violence and hate has existed in every culture in every era. But what I DO have a problem with is a lot of rightwing conservatives trying to act like historical revisionists, and somehow assert that the violence between native American tribes were somehow more "savage" than the violence between "civilized" Europeans/Caucasians. Like boy, have you READ medieval European warfare? You'd be skinned alive in some cases. Just for being French.
When you think about it, They all died coz she had to proove that she had it in her to shoot!
Once again, the magic 18 shot six-shooter makes its appearance.
He got it from Charley Waite in the Open Range.