But in Maccabees, Jews make a sacrifice for their fallen comrades, which makes Catholics believe in purgatory, and it was mentioned in the New Testament. So did Jesus in the Old Testament not really believe in eternal life?
Aman, Jesus did went down to the spiritual prison of the dead, broke the chain shackled under the power of satan in prison world of the dead and set free all the dead under his rule, and took the holy chosen ones only within him in the first resurrection...
How does Luke 23:43 align with John 20:17? The comma in Luke 23:43 is out of place. Punctuation was not part of the original text, was added later and is not inspired. Move the comma to after “today”. And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.”
So true! As for hell Sheol, hades, Gehenna (in Greek) Valley of Hinnom (in Hebrew), and hell have become synonymous and most Bibles now translate them all hell. Hell is a Germanic word meaning to hide or cover over. Which is what we do with dead bodies. But when Jesus spoke of hell and or hell fire he used the word Gehenna. Which is an actual place outside of Jerusalem where they burned trash (hence lake of fire) also in O.T. Times they sacrificed babies there. Jesus spoke in parables (a simple moral or religious lesson that would be FAMILIAR to the listener Matthew 13:34) the garbage dumb outside of Jerusalem would be familiar to the Jews. As a symbol of destruction. If the lake of fire is hell and hell is an eternal place of torment then why is hell thrown into the lake of fire at Revelation 20:14? In those times torment or torturers were used for jailers or a jail sentence (KJV or older Matthew 18:34) the idea of an eternal place of torment for 80 to 100 years of sin is such an unjust and unloving punishment for a just and loving God. It’s just another lie to slander our good, awesome and loving creator. Also why was Jesus in hell after he died? Acts 2:31 it is because “hell” is the grave. But here are some scriptures to show that it means eternal death. Romans 9:22/Philippians 3:18, 19/1 Thessalonians 5:3/2 Thessalonians 1:9/2 Peter 2:1, 3, 12/2 Peter 3:6, 7 What do the words destruction and perish mean? Jesus spoke in parables (Matthew 13:10-17, 34, 35/Mark 4:33, 34) and his disciples spoke plainly.
Part 2 (see part 1 below) To the penitent thief crucified at his side, Christ said, “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). This place here translated as “paradise” is not heaven, however, as was made clear on the third day after the Lord’s death. (See Alma 40:11-13 for further clarification.) Early in the morning following the angelic announcement to the women that Jesus had been resurrected, the Lord appeared to Mary. Apparently she desired to touch him, but the Master instructed her, “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God” (John 20:17). If the Savior had not ascended to heaven yet, where had he been during the three days his body lay in the tomb? It is in the writings of Peter, the chief Apostle, that we receive the answer. Christ went to be with other disembodied spirits and there minister to them. What did the Lord do there? Said Peter: “He went and preached unto the spirits in prison” (1 Pet. 3:19). Who were these people? According to Peter, they were those who “sometime were disobedient” (1 Pet. 3:20). “For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh” (1 Pet. 4:6). This essential ministry of the Lord to those who have died was prophesied by Isaiah, who, writing in behalf of the Messiah, wrote: “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound” (Isa. 61:1). What would be good tidings to those in prison? Surely it would be a message of how they could be set free to progress and enjoy the blessings of the gospel. This was the message confirmed by the Lord in the spirit world during the three days he himself was a disembodied spirit. The message continues to be taught in the spirit world today by teachers the Lord has appointed to that ministry (see D&C 138:18-22, 30-34, 57-59 **). Thus, those who die without a knowledge of Christ have the opportunity to hear the glad message of redemption, exercise faith, and repent of their sins. But what of baptism? As Nicodemus learned, a person must be baptized-born of water-before he can enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus himself was baptized “to fulfil all righteousness” (Matt. 3:15), and he instructed his Apostles to baptize those who accepted the gospel message, telling them, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved” (Mark 16:16). How, then, can those who died without the chance to be baptized receive this ordinance? The answer is, they can receive it vicariously. Just as Jesus performed a labor for us that we could not perform for ourselves, so can we perform the ordinance of baptism for those who have died, allowing them the opportunity to become heirs of salvation. Paul the Apostle alluded to this ordinance when he needed to reprove backsliding Corinthians regarding the reality of the resurrection. Those who received his epistle were well acquainted with this ordinance, known as baptism for the dead. Paul wrote: “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?” (1 Cor. 15:29.) Today, the resurrection is accepted as perhaps the most glorious concept of Christianity, but where in Christianity do we find the ordinance of baptism for the dead, which Paul used to argue for the reality of the resurrection? This was one of many teachings and ordinances that were lost or changed as early Christians endured tragic persecution and saw the doctrines of Christ changed by those wishing to make them more palatable to a world steeped in Greek philosophy. From both the Bible and scholastic studies of the last half century, it is clear that baptism for the dead was practiced by the early Christians.2 Is it any wonder, then, that when it came time for the Lord Jesus Christ to restore to earth in the latter days his gospel in its purity and power, he would restore the truths concerning salvation for the dead?3 With such truths restored, the Lord also restored the power and authority of his priesthood. Why? So that the ordinances performed, both for the living and the dead, would be valid and binding before God. Prior to his departure from mortality, the Lord gave priesthood power to Peter, the chief Apostle, so that he and others to whom he delegated that power could perform baptisms and the other ordinances vital to man’s salvation. To Peter the Lord promised, “I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Matt. 16:19). These same priesthood keys were restored in the last days of this dispensation. T he Lord clarified the conditions that exist after we leave mortality: “And verily I say unto you, that the conditions … are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed … (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days … ), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead. “Behold, mine house is a house of order” (D&C 132:7-8**). Thus, with his priesthood power to seal ordinances on earth and have them binding in heaven, the Lord has extended gospel blessings to the deceased of all mankind. The same ordinances performed for the living can be offered in proxy by someone standing in for the deceased! Not only baptism, but also the covenants and blessings of the endowment and of eternal marriage are made available to all those who could not receive them in this life. Each day, thousands of Latter-day Saints enter temples of the Lord and perform these ordinances in behalf of their fathers and mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers-as far back as known records can disclose names and identities of real individuals. These persons-dead to us, but very much alive in the spirit world-are, as the Master said, awaiting the “good tidings” that their work has been performed so that they may receive liberty from the “prison” wherein they “are bound.” When these ordinances are performed on their behalf, they are able to keep to a greater degree the commandments of the Lord and continue their growth and progression. Clearly, however, no earthly activity interferes in any way with the right of choice exercised by persons in the spirit world. They are free to accept or reject the ministrations in their behalf. If they choose to accept the ordinances performed for them, exercise faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and repent, they are released from their spiritual bondage. If they choose not to accept those conditions, they remain in their spiritual bondage. Their right to choose remains inviolate. Agency is an eternal inheritance we each have from God our Father, and it is fundamental to our personal development. The Lord’s work goes on in the spirit world as it goes on here in mortality, in that all mankind are graciously invited, not forced, to receive the fulness of the gospel and to use it to ennoble their lives. See part 3
Jesus was secretly buried cuz he didn't come back before his disciples died like he said he would in Matthew 16,,,,,, Jesus said in Matthew 22 they will not have love or marriage he was wrong,,,,,, we get eternal life with yamanaka factors not Jesus
More waffle from someone who is supposed to be a scholar. He should try understanding his subject (the New Testament) before he starts talking about it. AND he should confine himself to what the NT actually says and not introduce spurious external sources.
But in Maccabees, Jews make a sacrifice for their fallen comrades, which makes Catholics believe in purgatory, and it was mentioned in the New Testament. So did Jesus in the Old Testament not really believe in eternal life?
JESUS is to be found in the NEW Testament,not the Old one....!!!
@@irenehartlmayr8369 read Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6-7, Isaiah 53:3-5, Psalm 22:1, Psalm 22:16-18, Jeremiah 23:5-6, Zechariah 9:9, Zechariah 12:10 ..
the OverComer goes below and conquers the devil!
Lion does dirty work!
😂
The dangers of having a mind that is incapable of understanding something beyond face value
LIKE most people,particularly the critics of religion !
CHRIST died went to heaven and then descended to hell..simple ... case closed
Aman, Jesus did went down to the spiritual prison of the dead, broke the chain shackled under the power of satan in prison world of the dead and set free all the dead under his rule, and took the holy chosen ones only within him in the first resurrection...
How does Luke 23:43 align with John 20:17? The comma in Luke 23:43 is out of place. Punctuation was not part of the original text, was added later and is not inspired. Move the comma to after “today”. And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.”
But does that work in the Greek?
wow...
HAVING A CHILL TIME WHILE HANGING ON THE CROSS...
CHATTING!
amazing!
@@jhake67 You realize that it's all nonsense, right?
@@fukenbiker
it makes sense for almost two millenia to multitude of believers
EXACTLY !
"...Today I tell you ...."
Wonder why the scoffing "geniuses" didn't even mention that possibility .
So true!
As for hell
Sheol, hades, Gehenna (in Greek) Valley of Hinnom (in Hebrew), and hell have become synonymous and most Bibles now translate them all hell. Hell is a Germanic word meaning to hide or cover over. Which is what we do with dead bodies. But when Jesus spoke of hell and or hell fire he used the word Gehenna. Which is an actual place outside of Jerusalem where they burned trash (hence lake of fire) also in O.T. Times they sacrificed babies there. Jesus spoke in parables (a simple moral or religious lesson that would be FAMILIAR to the listener Matthew 13:34) the garbage dumb outside of Jerusalem would be familiar to the Jews. As a symbol of destruction. If the lake of fire is hell and hell is an eternal place of torment then why is hell thrown into the lake of fire at Revelation 20:14? In those times torment or torturers were used for jailers or a jail sentence (KJV or older Matthew 18:34) the idea of an eternal place of torment for 80 to 100 years of sin is such an unjust and unloving punishment for a just and loving God. It’s just another lie to slander our good, awesome and loving creator. Also why was Jesus in hell after he died? Acts 2:31 it is because “hell” is the grave. But here are some scriptures to show that it means eternal death. Romans 9:22/Philippians 3:18, 19/1 Thessalonians 5:3/2 Thessalonians 1:9/2 Peter 2:1, 3, 12/2 Peter 3:6, 7 What do the words destruction and perish mean? Jesus spoke in parables (Matthew 13:10-17, 34, 35/Mark 4:33, 34) and his disciples spoke plainly.
Part 2 (see part 1 below)
To the penitent thief crucified at his side, Christ said, “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). This place here translated as “paradise” is not heaven, however, as was made clear on the third day after the Lord’s death. (See Alma 40:11-13 for further clarification.)
Early in the morning following the angelic announcement to the women that Jesus had been resurrected, the Lord appeared to Mary. Apparently she desired to touch him, but the Master instructed her, “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God” (John 20:17).
If the Savior had not ascended to heaven yet, where had he been during the three days his body lay in the tomb? It is in the writings of Peter, the chief Apostle, that we receive the answer. Christ went to be with other disembodied spirits and there minister to them. What did the Lord do there? Said Peter: “He went and preached unto the spirits in prison” (1 Pet. 3:19).
Who were these people? According to Peter, they were those who “sometime were disobedient” (1 Pet. 3:20). “For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh” (1 Pet. 4:6).
This essential ministry of the Lord to those who have died was prophesied by Isaiah, who, writing in behalf of the Messiah, wrote: “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound” (Isa. 61:1).
What would be good tidings to those in prison? Surely it would be a message of how they could be set free to progress and enjoy the blessings of the gospel. This was the message confirmed by the Lord in the spirit world during the three days he himself was a disembodied spirit. The message continues to be taught in the spirit world today by teachers the Lord has appointed to that ministry (see D&C 138:18-22, 30-34, 57-59 **).
Thus, those who die without a knowledge of Christ have the opportunity to hear the glad message of redemption, exercise faith, and repent of their sins. But what of baptism? As Nicodemus learned, a person must be baptized-born of water-before he can enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus himself was baptized “to fulfil all righteousness” (Matt. 3:15), and he instructed his Apostles to baptize those who accepted the gospel message, telling them, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved” (Mark 16:16).
How, then, can those who died without the chance to be baptized receive this ordinance? The answer is, they can receive it vicariously. Just as Jesus performed a labor for us that we could not perform for ourselves, so can we perform the ordinance of baptism for those who have died, allowing them the opportunity to become heirs of salvation.
Paul the Apostle alluded to this ordinance when he needed to reprove backsliding Corinthians regarding the reality of the resurrection. Those who received his epistle were well acquainted with this ordinance, known as baptism for the dead. Paul wrote: “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?” (1 Cor. 15:29.)
Today, the resurrection is accepted as perhaps the most glorious concept of Christianity, but where in Christianity do we find the ordinance of baptism for the dead, which Paul used to argue for the reality of the resurrection? This was one of many teachings and ordinances that were lost or changed as early Christians endured tragic persecution and saw the doctrines of Christ changed by those wishing to make them more palatable to a world steeped in Greek philosophy.
From both the Bible and scholastic studies of the last half century, it is clear that baptism for the dead was practiced by the early Christians.2 Is it any wonder, then, that when it came time for the Lord Jesus Christ to restore to earth in the latter days his gospel in its purity and power, he would restore the truths concerning salvation for the dead?3 With such truths restored, the Lord also restored the power and authority of his priesthood. Why? So that the ordinances performed, both for the living and the dead, would be valid and binding before God.
Prior to his departure from mortality, the Lord gave priesthood power to Peter, the chief Apostle, so that he and others to whom he delegated that power could perform baptisms and the other ordinances vital to man’s salvation. To Peter the Lord promised, “I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Matt. 16:19).
These same priesthood keys were restored in the last days of this dispensation. T he Lord clarified the conditions that exist after we leave mortality: “And verily I say unto you, that the conditions … are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed … (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days … ), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
“Behold, mine house is a house of order” (D&C 132:7-8**).
Thus, with his priesthood power to seal ordinances on earth and have them binding in heaven, the Lord has extended gospel blessings to the deceased of all mankind. The same ordinances performed for the living can be offered in proxy by someone standing in for the deceased! Not only baptism, but also the covenants and blessings of the endowment and of eternal marriage are made available to all those who could not receive them in this life.
Each day, thousands of Latter-day Saints enter temples of the Lord and perform these ordinances in behalf of their fathers and mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers-as far back as known records can disclose names and identities of real individuals. These persons-dead to us, but very much alive in the spirit world-are, as the Master said, awaiting the “good tidings” that their work has been performed so that they may receive liberty from the “prison” wherein they “are bound.” When these ordinances are performed on their behalf, they are able to keep to a greater degree the commandments of the Lord and continue their growth and progression.
Clearly, however, no earthly activity interferes in any way with the right of choice exercised by persons in the spirit world. They are free to accept or reject the ministrations in their behalf. If they choose to accept the ordinances performed for them, exercise faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and repent, they are released from their spiritual bondage. If they choose not to accept those conditions, they remain in their spiritual bondage. Their right to choose remains inviolate. Agency is an eternal inheritance we each have from God our Father, and it is fundamental to our personal development. The Lord’s work goes on in the spirit world as it goes on here in mortality, in that all mankind are graciously invited, not forced, to receive the fulness of the gospel and to use it to ennoble their lives. See part 3
It's a Katabasis story -- nested inside another Katabasis.
Which is all bullish!t
God tells Moses: I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. How could God be their God in the present tense if they had already died? Interesting.
Jesus was secretly buried cuz he didn't come back before his disciples died like he said he would in Matthew 16,,,,,, Jesus said in Matthew 22 they will not have love or marriage he was wrong,,,,,, we get eternal life with yamanaka factors not Jesus
@@dianeestrada2500 Paul lied Jesus rose from the dead on the third day is in Isaiah old Testament,,,,,,,, sad mythvision and many others on RUclips
More waffle from someone who is supposed to be a scholar. He should try understanding his subject (the New Testament) before he starts talking about it. AND he should confine himself to what the NT actually says and not introduce spurious external sources.