Shao Wei vs Huxley - A Full Breakdown - Armored Core VI (AC6)
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- Shao Wei Back Gatling Cannon is a newly introduced back weapon Armored Core 6's 1.05 update. Some people think it's bad, but let's see just how GOOD it is!
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0:00 Intro
1:10 Shao Wei vs Huxley
8:00 A Double Shao Wei Build
10:45 PVP with commentary
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I think the reason why Shao Wei was underrated, or to be more accurate, received poorly was because people initially expected it to be something like Hu Ben on shoulders. Something that you can shoot for a long period of time, dealing constant DPS, but you would be penalized for overheating it. Instead it is a pressure weapon where you would unleash in short bursts, keeping your opponent's stagger bar up while dealing good damage at the same time. Also, it is a pretty 'busy' shoulder weapon since it is a machine gun that overheats fast but also cools down fast, so you have to remember to press down whenever it is available. Personally I think the Shao Wei is a great close range shoulder weapon. It isn't crazy at doing one thing, but it is a nice balance of reliable DPS, stagger damage, and punish.
Thats pretty much it. Honestly if I was in charge of this at From. I would have made 3 Weapons rather than the one. Or rather. I would have made the Shao-Wei. And then I would have made an actual Shoulder Hu-Ben and a Copy of Shao-Wei's for Hand use. That way we would get an ability to choose where we want our Pressure Gatlings and where we want our DPS Gatlings. Though that would result in a bit of bloat, since its basically the same weapon copy-pasted.
Maybe making a couple new OS Tuning upgrades that function kinda like the weapon bays. But instead allow you to mount shoulder weapons in your arms and arm weapon into shoulder slots would work better? Maybe do both of these?
A modded the new gatling to be as good as a Turner and it's the most overpowered thing in the universe. Definitely not a good idea.
When you compare them with OTHER back weapons, it becomes clear that it's supposed to augment your hand weapons accumulated impact.
Might be good pair with split missiles or active homing missiles for more pressure
i use one on my main ranked build, i definitely get a lot out of feathering the trigger, rather than burning it up. it definitely keeps people worrying about me, instead of my dual homing missiles, jav bazooka, and lance
force a couple bad dodges, and they eat either the missiles or zook, and that's a lance DH xD
Yeah, I'm betting it was something like this too. It's _very much_ a different kind of weapon from the Hu-Ben, despite being a gatling. It's a cool idea, making it fill out not only a different weapon niche, but one that was pretty much exclusive to the Huxley!
Idk who needs to hear this, but if you're using the Huxleys, please learn to turn them off without letting them overheat. If you can get a feel for the timing, you can go 7-10 seconds on and 7-10 seconds off, and even if you're not perfect, you can get close to 50% uptime. The increase in uptime feels surprisingly impactful but I see tons of people who just let them shoot out of range or just hover there, and then overheat.
Edit: just checked, as mentioned in this video if you overheat them you get 11 up /14 down, but I timed mine at 9 up/9 down for full cooling. That's an improvement from 44% to 50%, which is not huge, but definitely impactful especially if you toggle off when you are out of range or you do not need the extra acs buildup at the time
*quickly jots this down for his Double Hux Double Las-Pistol build*
i definitely need to learn turning them off as i disengage. what usually happen when i overheat it is enemy approach me and i lost the stagger war. i use dual melee so huxley plays a big role in accumulating/maintaining stagger
Honestly, I think the Shao Wei is great, and adds some nice lateral flexibility in piloting.
Shao Wei is good for the sole reason that I can hold the buttons down and forget about them. I don't have to monitor their heat bars and re-press the button when they're ready again, because they cool off super fast and I had never let go of the button in the first place. 10/10
From my experience, Shao Wei really shines at keeping pressure on your opponent compared to Huxley. Nice vid as always.
If you have a shao wei on each shoulder you can fire continuously nonstop basically by alternating.
funny that the minigun overheats so fast, when the point of the multiple barrels is to keep that from happening🤦♂
True lmao.
Yeah but first off this is Armored Core, these weapons are firing giant shells and the weapon itself is huge. Second it's a good thing. Because the weapon (before overheating) cools extremely fast. Meaning you can tap the buttons without even overheating it ever. Which I am able to do. Almost never overheats for me and works just fine.
@@DuelistRLfun fact: the hu ben and shao wei gatling cannons in ac6 are chambered in 57mm rounds
I felt that they were perfectly functional. I liked having one paired with an earshot. Fire the earshot when the Shao Wei is cooling off. That or use them with a melee build. To punish folks during the brief periods they're just out of range. =)
I like how Chritt pronounced Shao-Wei as 「少尉」 (lieutenant) XD. It’s actually 「少微」 though, one of the old name for Chinese star sign system.
Where are you getting the official mandarin translations from? I'd love to know what all of the other dafeng part names are as well cause the english text doesn't have any tones provided
@@bzizman4648From the traditional Chinese or Japanese subtitles. Localization limits the subtitle option of the game, so you might need to find a version that has those languages.
If you play the game in Japanese, the kanji are in the descriptions of the parts.
With only my knowledge of Japanese, below are the names and very rough translations.
Google translate just returned the AC6 names, so someone who speaks the language can have a go.
CHANG-CHEN 常陳 "Constant State"
HU-BEN 虎賁 "Tiger Decoration"
XUAN-GE 玄戈 "Profound Halberd"
GUO-CHEN 勾陳 "Curving State"
TAI-YANG-SHOU 太陽守 "Sun Guard"
SHAO-WEI 少微 "Few & Faint"
TIAN-QIANQ 天槍 "Heaven Spear"
LING-TAI 霊台 "Spirit Pedestal"
MING-TANG 明堂 "Bright Hall"
SAN-TAI 三台 "Three Pedestals"
I managed to find them all on Wikipedia:
常陳 (Cháng Chén, Imperial Guards)
虎賁 (Hǔ Bēn, Emperor's Bodyguard)
玄戈 (Xuán Gē, Sombre Lance)
勾陳 (Gōu Chén, Curved Array)
太陽守 (Tài Yáng Shǒu, Guard of the Sun)
少微 (Shào Wēi, Junior Officers)
天槍 (Tiān Qiāng, Celestial Spear)
靈台 (Líng Tái, Astronomical Observatory)
明堂 (Míng Táng, Cosmological Temple)
三台 (Sāntái, Three Steps)
I love that you included the accents, it was killing me not knowing how to pronounce them
I use Shao Wei to keep pressure on my opponent and not letting the stagger bar recover, its cooldown its short therefore you can use it on multiple agengements. The Huxley has automatic tracking, better dps and better stagger buildup in a short amount of time, but you have to pay attention and manually give it a lot of breaks to avoid the very long cooldown.
Shao Wei is also great on Quad Gatling builds like I run sometimes for dealing with fellow Tank users who have gone to the Dark side of the Meta. By the time my normal Gatlings are on cooldown I can keep up the pressure with the Shao Wei and if both aren't on Cooldown I can get in their faces and go full Heavyarms on their ass. It may not be super practical against lighter builds who can just dodge and melee punish but in that case I usually switch off between the Gatlings so I can use the other ones while they are on cooldown. Unfortunately though, the build is definitely not designed PvE because it burns so much ammo that I've actually lost money using it against bosses.
Quad Gatling is definitely a PvP only build but it is effective as Hell for fucking up Rats. They can't run away from me and win the match by default if I manual aim and fuck them up before they can. Rats still suck to fight though.
@@Zeromaru42 I do use Shao Wei on a light quad build with bazookas in hands and a Morley in the back. Its simply a glass cannon on your face quad.
@@eherden2169 Honestly my only problem with the Shao Wei is that I think it goes into cooldown a little quickly for my tastes, because of this it's probably better as a close range burst weapon similar to the Huxley. The main advantage being that the Shao Wei doesn't need you to Mother it as much. It absolutely shreds armor at close range and while the Huxley does have more individual utility, the Shao Wei I think is better for people who like to get up in people's business and don't want to be parallel processing the entire match.
Shao Wei also might be really good for harassing people using the handheld missile launchers because usually the way to beat that is to get into close and mid range. Can't exactly kick loop me if I have a shoulder Gatling ready to blow you away can you? I haven't done that much testing with that in PvP but I kinda want it to work, because it would be very funny if someone got past the Missiles and tried to kick you only to take a Gatling to the face.
I've found the Shao-Wei to be surprisingly useful on Lammergeier designs, honestly. Lammer ACs don't want to spam QB or Overboost (yes I'm an old grouchy Veteran AC Head, deal w/it), and if you're good at maneuvering/evading in float mode the extra reach, higher damage, and significantly higher pressure on the Shao-Wei really shines.
good video, sometimes I think when a weapon is introduced to a game that is already fairly well balanced, people will automatically put their own opinion to it and say it sucks. Even if its not actually that bad (like the Shao Wei).
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On one hand maths and thinking; on the other hand I can slap 2 of these bad boys, a pile punker and a hand missile on a firmerza frame; hit 370 speed and just have some real crackhead energy. It might not be good; but its fun as hell.
Great vid tho!
u the goat for making these videos bro 🙏
I made a silly joke build that runs 2 pulse guns and 2 shao wei. I just hold down the pulse guns and alternate the shaowei so there are always bullets going down range.
I love that you can sacrifice a little dps to just have infinite bullet uptime on at least 1 gatling.
With 2 shoulder miniguns you could shoot each others and like,alternate beetween those two so it never overheat and it keeps the same firerate
I don't PvP but x2 Shao Wei + x2 Majestic wipes the floor with bosses, they synergise perfectly as the Majestic reloads in 4.4 seconds, about the same time as the Shao Wei takes to do s salvo.
Damn I was just thinking about this today, amazing timing man
It was great to see you in the tournament! Was really awesome to see you since your videos are the reason i placed 36th!
The shao wei feels like it lends it self well to high speed builds. When your melee or main weapon is on reload youve still got damage you can burst reliably. Is really good for when your melee staggers and you only got your main hand weapon
Guy had an ac called “Lead Wall” with four mini guns, they would wait to stagger me, then proceed to just MELT me, was easy to avoid and beat, but it was still hilarious, given if I stood still for a sec I was just
“Oh your staggered? Brrrrrrr-“
Hu-Ben's 215 direct hit is no joke!
@@LEOTomegane honestly not! Seeing all four of those things spin up while aimed directly at you is _terrifying_
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Another excellent video!
Would you consider making a video about the assemblies in the preset menu? I'd love to hear your take on all these developer-designed ACs.
My favorite way to use this weapon is on my Heavyweapons Guy tank ac. Unless you use the coral shield (which got nerfed), you can only use one Gatling gun. However, now with the shoulder mounted Gatling gun, I can use the pulse scutum while still having 2 Gatling guns firing. Left hand can be whatever, but I use Jvln alpha for best ranged stagger punish. Split missile launch would also be acceptable to help with rats.
Split missiles are criminally underrated. Shockingly effective as a switch up in a close-range build.
Nice video!!
my strat for the shao wei is to alternate them, you can have a constant stream of fire if you shoot one for 2 seconds then shoot the one on your other shoulder. Do that back and forth correctly and they dont overheat but stay readied so they shoot as soon as you press fire
Suggestion, try using it with a handheld gatling gun on the same side (right back/right hand) open with the Shao Wei, and once it starts to over heat, let loose with the Hand-held, till it cools to maintain a steady stream of fire.
Thumbs up for the "Wrecker Time" pun. Well played. lol
Your voice is so calming haha
Great video Chrightt! I have been trying to assert that shao wei is better for BVO than huxley and this video kind of showcases my thoughts in a more elegant way than I could have alone!
Nice! I certainly think so as well since your main form of damage is from Viento with the melee only as a punish. This let's you reset the recoil more often with lots of QB movement instead of losing out on damage from melee boosting.
@@Chrightt Precisely! Holding down the trigger while playing normally and weaving in QBs does wonders
These make for amazing "tracer fire" for a bazookas. With double Xuan-Ge and Shao-Wei, it's my "China Lake". (P.S. Balam stuff is named after lakes, and the Shao-Wei is made in collaboration with Balam.)
Me no likey u Chright
U wreck mah boat 😢
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So if you're using the Scutum Shield with Shao Wei you'll have more uptime than using the typical Huxley. Allowing an aggressive shielder build especially if the right-hand weapon is a gun with lesser recoil. I know all the gats possible yet Shao Wei is better pared with Attache, Ludlow or Chang-Chen. Even one of the assault rifles is a good choice.
I'm just happy that I can use a Full Dafeng Quad Gatling Gun build
I haven't used the shao-wei extensively. But I did play with it in combo with krsv.... that extra little chip it gives is fantastic for making phase 2 krsv SLAM stagger
A little interesting tidbit if that you use the huxley, if its up when you do the charged lance attack, it keeps shooting, so if you staggered both weapons are doing direct hit together
I've found the laser orbits are a pretty good middle ground option actually, the accumulated impact output is surprisingly similar to a huxley at the cost of much lower burst impact, though it has a much longer up time and ends up easier to manage because of that. The added damage output is also nice. I really need the things firing while I'm doing quickboosts or shifting to an assault boost so the back gats both having a windup and stopping when doing that really hurts the effective output.
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Shao Wei has a better single salvo burst & activates more quickly when you need it. This translates to more leverage over ACS overload depending on playstyle and weapon choice. Especially when using melee weapons.
Also, we have the exact same opinion on vientos haha I love it
I certainly hope they give all the kinetic rifles a look together and all the pistols a fix as well. These two categories really need to spice things up a bit.
@@Chrightt I think and hope so too!
Huxleys for pressure/stagger build-up; Shao-Weis for punishes it looks like
Some people: Shao wei is bad
Some other people: Shao wei is good
Me: *happy Shao wei/Hu ben quadruple trigger noises*
Great video! I didn't even think to compare them to the Huxley.
Honestly I think the new gatling really is designed to augment a weapons accumulated impact. I think it pairs better with weapons that have a higher direct impact and OK accumulated impact, so I don't think the vientos are a good match.
People have been using the Ben gatling guns with them as a meme, but it's actually very good due to the Ben's relatively high accumulated impact per second.
I think there's some really good match ups with this new weapon when paired with a high direct damage arm that just needs a little accumulated impact boost.
Vientos have high accumulated impact AND direct impact. If you listen to what I say on my last duel, Vientos have such a high fire rate that they often use their active DPS/impact per sec when emptying out their clip right before the stagger because they fire fast enough that the impact doesn't decay for a few previous bullets. This is why the BVO combo is very strong because they tend to skip out on a large portion of the enemy's stagger bar when they time viento spam well.
@@Chrightt Huh. I thought the vientos has pretty low direct hit (about 130) but maybe that's higher than I realize it is.
1:55 hey look! they animated the Ammo belt feeding the Shao-wei!
Idk about pvp, but I've been absolutely scrapping pve content with two of these. I run a high impact weapon in my main hand, like a zimm, and a melee in the left.
Running lean and mean, loving it. My build is likely not optimal, my first AC game, but I'm having way too much fun to care.
It’s not bad all I’d say it needs is a slight weight reduction and then it’d be perfectly inline with Huxleys
I want to like whole heartedly subscribe to the Chrighttology method of building good AC’s. In future do you think it’s possible to make a video with maybe 5 or so different builds with the proper synergies with the explanation of why it works?
I can try to do something similar, but I think my build videos should give a general idea on how to build them though!
In my experience these are two different tools for two different jobs. The Sao Wei works well for maintaining cumulative impact between heavy weapons reloads/cooldown. The Huxley works well for making a less "punchy" weapon, more punchy, Personally, I use it on my Kurasawa/Duckett build to make the Duckett just a bit punchier while my Kurasawa cools off after a full charge shot.
Shoulder miniguns are too damn cool. If there is no one on earth that likes them then I am dead
The shao wei not firing while boosting is beneficial for me. It helps against overheating it.
The missile boat match makes me think this needs to be paired with something like the handheld 4-missile launcher. That opponent clearly felt safe showing you his back to assault boost away due to your short range loadout. You probably could have kept him reeled in tighter with some missiles on tap to punish that tendency.
Then on the reverse side you would lose to close quarter combat builds by a mile or get kited hard by kite builds.
Hey Chrightt, which one you think pairs up better with a Zimmerman? I feel the Huxley could work due the lack of recoil effect due the shotgun shots, but I'm unsure.
If you're dual wielding zimmerman and thinking about Huxley vs Shao Wei I would pick the Shao Wei if you don't have other weight concerns. Shotguns don't suffer hard from their own recoil but they're definitely still affected by the total accumulated recoil you have from other weapons though, so if you're doing 2x shao wei vs 2x huxley that will be a concern as the period you have to fire shotguns before shao wei recoil kicks in is even less.
like someone who uses two sweet sixteen shotguns, combined with the sword.
The Shao Wei helps me prevent Stagger's bar from going down and making it go up a little, since the shotgun has much more cooldown than the Zimmerman.
Imo the Ducket should have the longest range and the most impact out of the handguns and the Viento should have the most damage out of the handgun options and then have the Coquillett be the middle ground while also being the lightest/most energy efficient option.
The thing with the Gatling gun is it can be constant fire. Just burst it properly and it will never over heat. Where as the Hickey is either going to over heat or have a long cool down. Plus if you get two gatlings you can interchange fire to where there is always a stream of bullets
Burst fire for overheat does not increase the bullets you can fire since you suffer more from the pre-cooling delay more often even if it is shorter than waiting for it to completely overheat. And you need to waste power to manage it.
Once the Shao Wei dropped I think most people immediately thought "hey we have Huxley already" and "Yeah! Time to make some gen1-gen3 mechs" Huxley is more fire and forget while Shao Wei is press/hold, press/hold, press/hold. I think Huxley will still be used more than Shao Wei for the fire and forget but people can run the Shao Wei to punish people accustomed to punishing an opponent's Huxley down time. When you said that Shao Wei can affect other weapons recoils it just didn't sit right with me but it is a shoulder mounted weapon after all.
I threw a Shao Wei on a lightweight AC with the hand pulse missile launchers and the standard 4 salvo missiles on the other shoulder, since missiles don't suffer from the recoil. It's actually better in the mid range, especially if you can manage your spread with quick boosts. The pulse missiles do a ton of impact damage, too. Only problem is you have to charge them in the close range, since they will arc around your target if you're too close.
Admittedly, I'm not very good and yesterday was my first day playing PvP, so I don't know how good it is as a build. But it's hella fun, I will say.
Hey, I wonder if you know if the recoil control arms are worth running on a weapon that has low recoil? Let’s say Change-Chen machine guns, to bring the recoil to a minimum? Or does it not affect it much if the recoil is already low?
You can feather the Heat on the Shao Wei making it theoretically not overheat. Along side the fast reload of the new Heavy machinegun, it just dumb fun!
Burst fire for overheat does not increase the bullets you can fire since you suffer more from the pre-cooling delay more often even if it is shorter than waiting for it to completely overheat. And you need to waste more brain power to manage it. Does not turn out to be a good usage of the weapons imo.
Those of us in the high rank lightweight community have found Shao Wei to be one of the best options for a BVO build.
Its able to massively accelerate the pressure of your vientos, and the frequent quickboosts mean you never really overheat it.
the recoil also doesn't matter because vientos kick the recoil to maximum anyways if you're using basho arms and just shoving the guns into the target's face
I don't think theyre meant to be held down to overheat. One second bursts keep the recoil under control and the cooling is enough that you can keep that up indefinitely.
Burst fire for overheat does not increase the bullets you can fire since you suffer more from the pre-cooling delay more often even if it is shorter than waiting for it to completely overheat. And you need to waste more brain power to manage it.
No one can stop me from running 4 miniguns
4 Gatling guns, let's go!
Does the shao wei actually effect hand weapon recoil? It feels like it has a seperate recoil from the arms due to being shoulder weapons. I tested shao wei with wrecker and nachtrihar arms and the recoil for them was identical, so there is merit in wondering if they even have an effect on your main hand recoil.
Arm and shoulder recoil are the same. It's just like how your arms' tracking also affects your shoulder weapons.
The reason it looked the same when you tested it is because they're gatling weapons, which are _just that bad_ at recoil. If you were to test the Hu-Ben recoil on Wrecker/Nachtreiher arms, you'd see the bloom happens in pretty much the same way as the Shao-Wei.
If anyones calling you out for your rank, just ignore it. That said the Shao Wei has one useful ability as far as I am concerned, its a back mounted MG that then can get out of the way of keeping the bomb thrower up front. Or if you want on a quad, even the hammer. Probably not optimal by any stretch but despite the recoil problem its been a boon for the one AC i run that uses that set. Beyond that though. the Range is the only real advantage IMO even though its slight.
Also feels like these two in comparison aren't really geared for the same gameplan so there's that too. My 2 cents
Also that Plasma boat is unironically my favorite build. I'll rather slap double Aurora's on the back though because of how they too work off energy spec
Can we talk about Overburdening and Arms Overburdening; and possible builds that overcome their deficits? I feel like we are missing on some good lightweight/midweight combos that are not picked due to the weight limit
Typically just bad to overburden your arms. The effect isn't big if you're just something like 100 weight over, but it nerfs your target tracking & your recoil control. I have not yet found an AC where I keep the arms overburdened.
Overburdened arms get pretty nasty nerfs to their target tracking performance, so the only time you'd ever be able to use them is either with a melee weapon or when your target is going to be perfectly still for a couple seconds. Even then, this strategy would only work when using the weapon bay to swap from unburdened -> overburdened arms, so you don't have to worry about the tracking nerf because the reticle is already in-place when the arm becomes burdened.
tl;dr only works with a Javelin Alpha in your back pocket
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How’s this build work with reverse joints?
with my current control scheme, i have the shoulder weapons bound to the joysticks, works great with single fire and missile weapons, but its hard too use charge attacks and continuous fire/automatic weapons, so ive never really used the shoulder chainguns for that reason
Understandable. Holding it down can be quite the pain.
Yeah, I feel like this playstyle works better with custom keybinds on mouse and keyboard, especially if you have a mouse with good extra buttons that can be comfortably held down, e.g. by the thumb.
(M+KB in general works surprisingly well in AC6 - Given that it's usually relegated to a completely second-rate control scheme in Fromsoft games.)
Huxley doesn’t build recoil but it does interrupt recoil control now. All shoulder weapons stop recoil control for .05s just like firearms now
Don't know and don't have any idea of what you're talking about but I agree ( fromsoft games almost never go on sale 😢)
Does this mean there will be a patch soon?
It would be awesome if you could get boss parts and weapons
As a medium-heavy (80-85k) weight Reverse Joint build, should I use the "IB-C03B: NGI 001" or the "BST-G2/P06SPD" booster?
I personally would prefer the NGI booster. Not a big fan of the SPD booster overall unless you're trying to just go fast as a fairly light AC.
I would have thought comparing it to the the pulse shoulder gun first
Pulse weapons just kind of follow different dmg% schemes and they're also energy weapons. Plus, few people run it and not for bad reasons.
"Why B rank?"
"Because its the same a S rank - just less tanks"
What if you burst fire the shao wei and not let it get hot?
I love the breakdown, but if I’m being honest I’m not gonna be running the back gatlings because they’re good; I’m gonna run them because I want the most BRRRRRRR per second as humanly possible.
1 Shao wei, 1 gat, scutum, and pulse blade. Although now I’m thinking that recharging the scutum and huxley at the same time might be better synergy. . . hmmm
Up the rounds fired before cooldown to 50, and id say the weapon is great. The current 25 is a bit too strict IMO.
I think they could increase the rounds fired by the Shao-Wei before over heating from 25 to 40 it would honestly make it feel more impactful and balanced. The problem I have with the Shao-Wei is that it overheats too quickly and if they increased the rounds fired from 25 to 40 I wouldn't have to just do micro-burst dps and could do actual burst dps.
I think he debunks that in this very video. It is better DPS to let loose and overheat because the cooldown is fast.
Given how many I'm seeing in A rank with these parts - doubt it
Dual zimms, dual shao wei shreds balteus rematch with ease.
Could you replace a Huxley on a BVO build with a Shao Wei?
For sure. I think it's actually stronger on that setup if you have spare weight.
As someone who doesn't dodge kicks reliably, having to wait for the redeploy time just to get kicked and redeploy again is what turned me away from using the orbit weapons.
The Shao Wei having on-demand fire with no delay makes me favor it more
You don't pick this weapon because its good, you pick it because you want to maximize brrt
If anything, these are more like shoulder smgs than miniguns
I like bawls
The ducketts need to shoot faster. It's ridiculous how slow they shoot. It's almost the only reason the Ventos are the most powerful handguns.
I'm not a PVP guy, but I can immediately tell you my issue with the shoulder miniguns. They arent satisfying. The idea that a gun with several barrels can only burst fire is hilarious.
🤣 Does indeed seem to defeat the purpose of being a minigun.
So tired of the viento
Ballistic pistols should have the most impact, energy dps, stun range.
if only fromsoft revived the chainguns from earlier AC games it would have been fun
The shao wei is the best weapon to canuter kites and rats
The shao wei is better when used like a weaker ludlow.
The Shao Wei has a unique use in being able to stun staggered enemies even further due to impact accumulation.
Despite its weight, it excels as a back weapon for lightweight builds, and should be thought of as a finishing weapon/combo ending weapon in a similar vein to the Earshot or Songbirds. Explosive Resistance tends to be higher in general when comparing AC parts regardless of the weight class/type, and Kinetic Resistance is often one of the least fortified values among AC build parts.
This can lead to the Shao Wei having tank-shredding levels of damage
Mindlessly spammable? Maybe. So far I like them as grinders for staggered opponents :3
I think pistols and ARs need to be brought to the vientos level rather than nerfing vientos. Nerfing them will just give people one less pvp weapon unless you heavily nerf tanks and nerf missile kites
Vientos feel terribly unfun to fight if you aren't a tank, though. Their accumulated impact is ridiculously high, so you don't have any breathing room between bursts-all the stagger buildup they deal to you is _still there_ when they're done reloading, as opposed to the Zimmer/Harris style of stagger where a huge chunk of it decays a second or so after getting hit.
They obviously shouldn't _just_ nerf Vientos, but they definitely need it alongside the obvious heavyweight nerfs.
I don't PvP, so in my mind the Shao Wei wins out all day just because the Huxley has such awful ammo total. I do not understand why that thing has such a pittiful ammo count, its practically unusable in anything outside of the arena.