BATTLEGROUND PvP TIER LIST for WoW CATACLYSM
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Which classes and specs are the BEST for BGs in Cataclysm? Let's talk about all of them and rank them from S to F tier depending on their performance in random and rated battlegrounds.
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I think you mixed up Prot War and Guardian for FC tank, in rated BG's I tried so hard tank as a druid and 2000+ rating teams would not take me. Prot war was mandatory. Even with max stam/res gems enchants and all, I died easier than prot war. They had stornger survival and still good mobility with heroic leap.
Damn, I've been waiting for this kind of video from you for so long :D NICE !
I loved playing dot cleaves, Aff lock, spriest, boomkin add an extra sprirest or aff lock for cleanse protect. Add a good melee cleave like arms warrior or unholy dk and just watch everyone absolutely melt.. only works if everyone knows how to actually maintain dots well which surprisingly hard with pugs.
DoTs are the king in BGs, definitely
@@MEYTRIX So would you say SV hunters would be better in a rbg team than MM or BM ?
Thanks for the Vid Meytrix. Looking forward to Cata Classic PvP
Thanks Caf 😳 yep me too!
Makes a 2s comp tier list for cata , there’s 0 info for 2s comps, even if ur not super spot on just from what u observed from p servers ud get 50k plus views within a month or so
definitely on my list, I have easily played like 10 thousand arena games in the 10 year span of playing Cata, seeing how it evolved, so there'll be a loooot to talk about! 😏
@@MEYTRIX just seeing this comment , thank you I look forward to it
I'd put shadow 1 tier lower since it's just not on par in dmg with all the other casters in S. MD is great but without being the target, their mana makes them fall behind the longer the fight lasts.
Same with hunter since if it doesn't defend a base, they have to move themselves (dangerous) or their pet (damage sponge) forward to set up a cc on healers.
BM and survival are absolute dogshit in rated bgs. Black arrow being dispellable and pet dying to anything against well organized team make those specs completely useless. If low lvl bgs are a factor then so are randoms but the list would look completely different if we count those.
For example warrior can easily compete with anybody in dmg besides moonkins and eles with good PvE and warrior with pocket healer will easily be team's MVP in non-rated. Even in rateds I'd still put them at least on par with ret just because they can do much more when paired with gripping DK or bombing rogue than any other melee than those 2.
Feral's value drowns without CTF mode, becoming literally budget rogue. A tier at the very best in my opinion. Still good base defender because, primarily because it's big counter to rogues.
good points, it is overall BGs - rated, nonrated, low and high lvl, nobody would watch separate videos for each situation I don't think, warrior would do well if that healer did nothing else but dispel the warrior, BM and Surv as good on low lvl as bad they are at the endgame, so it's hard to then rank them for overall performance, and in random BGs even F tier classes can still do good
@@MEYTRIX Well, that's the problem with this list. You use double standards depending on which spec you're talking about. Frost mage is great for leveling and in randoms since your deep+orb+CS can kill 97% of targets you'll ever meet in randoms but not useful in rateds. Affli is the opposite, it's amazing only in rateds, only good in randoms and sucks for low lvl. Warrior in randoms is A tier even without a healer thanks to high damage, countering fears thus being priest/lock killer, bladestorm that is basically a melee Combustion and victory rush. Those are just examples.
Bro, ive seeing your videos since years ago and ive witness your evolution, now your understanding of the game and the way you see the things is awesome, see you on Cataclysm!
Wonder what classes (in PvP) do you play the most or like the most for Lich king and for Cata, my fav expansions
it's been a ride 😁 but if you watch back - I used to say the same things about PvP back then too, I just sound better now with the microphone 😅😅 my favorites are always big weapon plate classes for real men - paladin, DK, warrior 😎
Thanks for the great content! Looking forward to a cata arena comp tier list!
You are absolutely wrong on BM hunters, they are number 1 in BGs.
I have yet to see that, hasn't happened in the 10 years of me playing Cata so far
Man I'm sad to hear about combat and assassination rogue. I really love the mobile stacking dots and going toe to toe with someone playstyle. But I despise the stun-locking playstyle of Sub. Was really banking on playing combat
Ele Shaman is S teir.
My @$$!
Yet I get rekt by Rogues and Cat Druids.
it's not S in 1v1 😅 in BGs you usually find in crowds of people, many times with healers on your back and do a lot of AoE, that is the major difference between a 1v1 tier list, arena tier list and BG tier list
In cata prot warrior was the best FC you cannot put it into F tier lol.
Hardly best, I played Cata for 10 years, nobody wanted prot warriors in BGs
@@MEYTRIX Then you dont played high rated RBGS.Prot warrior have the best mobility+cc which is the most important for a FC in cataclysm.
Buen video Meytrix, but Dk Blood pvp in B, puede ser pero habran como yo que complican las bgs jejej un saludo.
Blood DK es uno de los dos mejores tankos para BGs 😄
@@MEYTRIX En eso tienes razón bro, ahí me suscribí a tu canal para cuando nos veamos en cata classic y checa mi perfil para que tambien me sigas please @MEYTRIX
Saying arms isn’t good is fuckin comical at best
see you in BGs then mr Angry Peon 😏
Hey man watched your stream from Athena 😅 isn't pvp going live today? Maybe then people want to play pvp 😂
hey Dustin, yep, we figured it out eventually, the PvP season started 3 hours ago and I am already on the grind 😎
@@MEYTRIX Ohh nice 😂😂 are the queues full or u have to wait some time?
@@dustinbrandt9912 there are around 3 BGs going on at the same time right now
don't really agree with frost mage being in F but could be wrong.
in Rated BG, it is pretty much useless in comparison to other classes/specs, however, in random BGs - anything can be good since it's casual gameplay and many ppl have no idea what to do even
Lol arcane mage is R1 RBG multiple times in cata :x can solo efc with healer in a single counterspell.
The rest of the team has a skill issue then 😐
@MEYTRIX invis past mid, grab zerk, pom sheep healer into cs, efc gets 3 shot game over. Do you know who ABN is? R1 rbg lead and is arcane. I'm 2600xp multiclass and arcane is a great addition if you already have a fire mage. He's like a bunker buster. Unhealable dmg.
Lord Meytrix, could you enlighten us with a Frost DK build for RBG? There is so little solid information about it on YT. Thanks!
I’m thinking about if putting 2 points on Resilient infection is gonna worth it
master frost is definitely the way to go for BGs, Resilient Infection could actually be pretty OP when you spread your Frost Fever with Howling blast on many enemies and then an enemy priest mass dispels it, definitely worth a try, I have never tried it myself, but I like the way you're thinking
@@MEYTRIX 🙏🙏
im playing cata from 3 months, only bgs and i gota say that frost mage is deff a S tier. People just do frost bolt for 35k and then ice lance for another 35k and basically with 1 cast for like a second they do 70k which is the highest anyone hits me for.
Fire mage put a lot more pressure, and all the other top range dps have a lot of reliable damage, Dots…. Frost mage isn’t bad, just not as good as the others
@@Boomix5555 I tried shadow priest. Fought a ret Pala and the guy just spammed cleanese to remove them and after 2 minute battle I did 0 dmg because all my smg comes from dots that he removes with a spell that is spamable and costs no mana
That flex shocked me! In that loose t-shirt you look like classic skinny nerd :D And thanks for helpful vid.
Haha yeah 😅
Is better haste or critic for balance ?
ele shaman change!! chainlightning has 3sec cd now
Great video dude
Thanks Johnny
So who's the FC? Prot warriors? I think that was it.
Feral or blood DK
@@MEYTRIX hmmmm...i mained frost in WoD. might be fun to main DK again. thanks for the info.
Why fire mage better than frost mage at Cataclysm ?
Frost mage has no AoE so for BGs fire us much better with its living bombs, fire blasts and combustions
hey thanks for the video! was thinking I'd main priest in cata but this makes me think I should rather level my paladin I guess. was expecting disc to be higher up.
if you play disc with a sub rogue, feral or frost mage, it can still do amazingly well, but it relies on their support a lot in arena, in BGs you still have that mass dispel and leap of faith, there are just better specs than disc overall but that doesn't mean it's not good
It's just an aggressive spec compared to resto shaman and holy paladin. In 2s feral/disc is easily the best healer comp and rogue or mage with disc are still very competitive. In 3s and especially battlegrounds your toolkit is just much harder to use, you can't randomly rush for fears or MC/burn without being interrupted. And your healing is just weak, since all the things that make it heal well in PvE scenarios are unplayable in PvP scenarios, thus your healing with many targets is lacking.
Hello, I'm planning to start playing pvp in cataclysm, what do you think is the easiest mile class and spec?
Blood DK
hey, blood and frost DKs are the easiest by far
What is the easiest distance class for bgs and arena? Thanks!
There are no easy ranged classes that would be good, you could play hunter for BGs and just snipe everyone, wheb you ingore CCing others then it would be a very easy playstyle, Marksmanship spec of course
@@MEYTRIX Thanks ;)
@@MEYTRIX Are there simple melee classes for the bg? Thanks!
@@Dieterk4455 frost DK, and also ele shaman for the BGs I forgot to mention, that is super simple too
Which is best PvP expansion ? Is it Mop ?
there's no single best, I personally don't like MoP as much as Cata or WotLK
its cata
9/10 people you ask will answer it based on their favorite classes not being as strong as they'd like.
Title of this should be RBG not battleground
And RBG stands for Random or Rated battleground for you? 🤔
my opinion: ret is F in rateds. bubble gets MD'd and poof youre dead
disc S tier, perfect rbg healer setup = holy pala, resto druid, disc priest.
also nobody wants a hunter in their rated team
don't forget ret also has Sacred Shield which can absorb toooons of damage, disc is good, idk if S tier, the holy pal/r druid combo is way higher IMO, hunter is top tier in random BGs, not as amazing in rateds though, I agree there
isn't MM hunter like S tier in everything pvp related in Cata? one of the best in rated bgs and 2/3s?
@@Dreamonology we never took a hunter in our team and we clapped teams with hunters.
You can leave out any class and still do well, there’s so many BG classes in S and A tier
@@MEYTRIX but we left them out simply because theyre whack. Especially in 4.3.4. its all about boomkins. We used to run triple boomkin teams on warmane neltharion. 3x cunning is just too much pressure
Any chance you could do one of these for Legion?
I definitely will once there's a rly good Legion server on the horizon 😎
Hello guys, I really want to play cataclysm, but I'm afraid that after the release of the cataclysm patch on official servers, private servers will die (which of these private servers is the most popular and reliable? Whitemane-Apollo-Athena ? thank you in advance for your help))
hey Deshiz, Whitemane Maelstrom is the most popular, but Whitemane also plans to release a fresh Cata realm in early 2024, after Maelstrom's progression is over so that might likely kill Maelstrom, overall - there's probably no Cata realm that would live with over a thousand players for more than a year either way 😮💨
@@MEYTRIX If on the Fresh server from twinstar there are 9-10,000 online in the evening according to the site, but you say Whitemane is the most popular, I wonder what kind of online there is) And I understand, it’s a pity that there are so few long-lived servers for the Cataclysm and Pandaria Addons (
I need this tier list for MoP pls 🥺
About 80% of it still counts for MoP too, and I made a PvP dps tier list for it, so that might help you getting an idea
Bro can you bring a Mention for Rbg? whats meta in Cata and stuff... im looking what i want to play for arena and Rbg so woud be awesome to know... want Boomie/DK/Mage but idk i guess Mage are usless for rbg or? and Boomie isnt that good in arena and stuff.... but want meele and range so DK for sure big TC and stuff but yeah woud be awesome to know whats good in cata for RBG
Boomie top for RBGs but lackluster in 2v2 (still great for 3v3 though), DK is very good for any pvp, and mage too (fire much better for RBG)
thanks for anwser bro so you guess Mage will find a spot in RBG rnd groups? i never saw mages to be good in rbg or just deffending with waterele as frost or some... but i dont see someone wants to get a mage or? so Boomie in 3s is nice? woud be a great thing :D idk bro and if they do changes with Myth+ in Cata or some i want a class that are good at everything :D... but yeah thanks alot for the vid and your help
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@@drzuk7846 yeah there is always at least 1 OP spec for mages, fire is amazing even for PvE so always welcome in raid groups, and it's AoE with Combustion if set up correctly is crazy in both - 3v3 and RBGs
dont even wanna play if warriors suck
You can still have a lot of fun playing it nonetheless, it will be frustrating at times, but it’s still a very enjoyable playstyle, you can outplay people in random BGs easily
Hey man do you know if there is a blood/unholy dk guide for pvp?
hey, I have an unholy DK guide on the channel, and for blood - yo udon't need a guide, just spam Death Strikes and nothing else
Si necesitas una guía pvp del dk blood, mira la mía... pero esta en español, igual es entendible.
Rdruid or hpal for rbg and 2s please ?
Both for RBG, hpal mostly better for 2v2
Most annoying classes to face in battleground are imo bm hunter, fire mage and feral.
don't forget rogues spam sapping you and never actually showing up to fight 🤐
Fire I can understand but the other 2? As a BM if you need to withdraw your pet or it just dies - you feel like an NPC. And feral has no dmg with a lot of target switching.
@@Reality-Distortion Feral have insta cyclone, great burst during zerk and also is unpeelable for most classes. Bm hunter is huge pain to deal with during his cds.
@@user-kp3ii5vi8h Those features are nothing compared to strengths of actually good bg specs.
Like I said, hunter's pet will most of the time just get massive cock in the face and you need to withdraw him often to give him time to heal. And when you don't have cds as a hunter, it may often just afk in aoe roots and fears.
Feral's burst doesn't even stand out when Berserk has to compete with Gargoyle, Shadowdance, Conbustion, Elemental Mastery, Zaelotry or in case of bgs even Reck+Bladestorm. Ferals lack any ccbreaks and immunities so they aren't particularly hard to peel. Also most rangeds in the game during cata don't have really great CC toolkit, so "most classes" isn't very telling in the first place. Instant cyclones are gamebreaking in arena, definitely not in big scale fights.
I have question, on Firestorm server in most cases it needs for NPC'S few minutes to appear, i have RTX 3050 16 GB RAM and fine internet connection so it shouldn't be problem with my laptop, is this usually thing on Firestorm or i need to optimize some settings?
I think it’s with the newer expansions, hard to say what exactly it is, but I don’t think it’s about the performance
Youre misunderstanding how tierlists works. Ypu CANT have S tier be the tier with the most classes - that would by default make it A tier. S tier is for the classes that goes ocer smd beyond. Its so much worse that u have an empty tier so the solution is LITERALLY staring you right in the face. Move everything down a tier and fixed.
Thanks for your feedback but I disagree - you can have whatever in the particulsr tier and you can also have an empty tier if the gap between the classes is so large
As an ele shaman i believe they are F tier not S. A rogue cheap shots ...you thunderstorm...they shadowstep and you die. If your not a 3k rated god. Theres zero you can do to outplay ...and it will happen a LOT (if theyre allowed to free cast and are never attacked. Then yeah sure but thats not good imo)
What you’re talking about is 1v1, this video is concerning BGs where it’s more about multiple enemies, some healers etc
Do you cover a PvP rotation for unholy dk anywhere?
Do you have this same video for BG's, but for MoP?
nope, I have a few MoP related PvP videos but not for BGs specifically
putting prot paladin at F clearly shows you know absolutely nothing about cata pvp. Prot paladins ruled in bgs with demon locks
I'm curious, what are prot pallys good at in bgs?
Hehe good luck then, clearly I’ve learnt nothing about Cata PvP in the 10 years and 2.8k ratings I achieved 😆
@MEYTRIX You made this tier list about who can aoe and who can't right? Bg s are full of frost mage s and it s very good in 1v1 or 1v2
@@florinbadescu9711 AoE is important, but it’s not the only factor, frost mages are good in casual BGs, just like almost any other spec, different story against premades and rated BGs
@MEYTRIX Premade whit good gear and skilled players is something else you can't compete whit them no matter wat clasess you bring to the table
SMALL
Shatafaka Randy!
If everyone's S tier no1 is S tier...bad list
not even half of them are S, did you even watch the video? 🤔
The most balanced pvp xpac has more S tiers? 🤯🤯🤯
This guy has no clue what he's talking about
Enlighten us then 😁
first
good job!
Are you saying for the feral tank to have dual spec , and on appropriate map they go tank spec and then other maps they can go feral? Or is the strat to always have them feral spec and they just go bear form in it
You don’t need to change your talents, just go regular feral PvP spec, that will be more than enough defense in bear
@@MEYTRIX wow okay glad I saw your video. Only did RBGs in SL and DF, so didn’t know this at all