Here's How Two "Former Busts" Revived Their NBA Careers
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Aaron Gordon and Andrew Wiggins revived their NBA careers after years of underachieving. In this video, I break down how they were able to do it and how their games have changed.
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Both Gordon and Wiggins just needed an environment where the offense moves the ball and players are unselfish, and you don't have to create your own shot off the dribble every time. Lots of players could be helped by that.
100%...neither of these dudes were busts. AG was one of there very few performers for the Magic and just tried to carry the team as best he could. Gordon was averaging 18-20 a game which is decent. Also it's the coaches and staff job to mentor and direct the player into a position he will excel at, it's not a pick up game at the park were you bounce around playing whatever position you like shooting 3's and posting up then turning into a defensive specialist. I blame the Magic's staff more than I do AG....same goes for Wiggins. Busts are players who were expected to excel or even dominate and then completely FAIL in the game.
lol they were rookies😂
Wiggins got paid as a #1 guy to be the #4 guy. He’s a bust, he was just lucky to land in a situation like GS
@@nydibs How do you figure he is a #4? In the Finals they just won, he was the second best player, and they wouldn't have won that championship without him. His lock down defense of Tatum was great. He is no bust. Many number one draft picks don't become top five or six players in the league. That doesn't make them a bust. Anthony Bennett, Kwame Brown, Michael Olowokandi, Greg Oden, Adam Morrison, Darko Milicic, Sam Bowie, and Pervis Ellison are busts. Wiggins is not in that category.
@arizjones - he had a PER of 15 last year, that’s league average
For a guy that wanted a big contract and was supposed to a generational type player, he’s a bust. He got lucky he landed in a good situation in GS where they just need him to be a role player
Wiggins was never a bust, was averaging 20 ppg in Minnesota just wasn't in the right situation for his strengths. Averaging 20 ppg with no injuries disqualifies a top pick from being a bust in my opinion. There's a grey area between not being a generational talent and being a bust as a top pick. Wiggins was in that grey area and still receiving hate. Maybe we should stop calling prospects the "Next Lebron" or "Next KD" and then we can better appreciate them for the players they are.
A huge grey area. To me a bust is a player who came into the league as a high lottery pick and ended up out of the league shortly after because he was just no good enough for the league. Good example is Kwame Brown, a number one pick who didnt become a star but that managed to stay in the league for more than a decade with decent role player minutes and numbers. To me he's not a bust. But a player like Anthony Bennett or Hasheem Thabeet are true busts to me, because they werent able to stay in the league more than a couple seasons and didnt really have much playing time
But at the same time teams invest everything into picks, if you get drafted first overall you need to be a top 20 player for the team to see the pick as a success. I don’t think those are unreasonable expectations considering the draft spot. Wiggins is definitely one of the better first overall disappointments but still disappointing none the less, the term bust has different meanings to different people so that’s more just an opinionated thing.
Bro Andrew Wiggins was putting up empty stats on a losing team. He’s the only dude that I could honestly say he was a bust scoring over 20.
I consider people like that semi busts, good enough to stay around and still at least decent but not bad enough to where they completely flop either. Sure, they didn’t live up to expectations but they don’t completely suck at the same time. For the NFL, I think of WR Ted Ginn as one of those semi bust type players.
@@MoralesCorner I agree the grey area is large but Kwame is a bust as a top pick in my opinion he averaged single digits and was essentially a role player his entire career. From a #1 pick, I need you to at least become a top tier starter aka 3rd/4th option on a good team. I think if you produce less than that it can be argued you are a bust
After last season, in Gordon's end of season interview, they asked him what do you need to improve on? He said; "I need to improve my basketball intelligence in order to play effectively with Joker." And he did exactly that!
Been a Nuggets fan my whole life and I am so thankful we have the best of AG. He has improved a lot from last season which is remarkable considering he did a solid job. Jokic obviously deserves some credit but AG definitely deserves some praise
Tbh it shows we need make trades for joker he can help take strong shooters to next leave or even string wing be smart trade Murray or mjp for sumone more healthy and reliable I know they ant going play hell of them in regular season,but feels like there gonna come up short in playoffs with this team if don't make moves by trade deadline
@@jamesmartinez2444I’ll say kept Murray cuz he’s a bucket but trade MPJ bcuz AG is not injured prone like him
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Andrew Wiggins was certainly sluggish and was criticized by those around him, and I think it was quite tough mentally, but after transferring to GSW, not only were there excellent people around him, but he also had the will to improve himself. I'm really proud that I felt it and showed it in my play and grew wonderfully.
It's always easier when you're the 3rd guy .
That's what people mean by bust I mean🤔
Players coming in expected to take over a team but couldn't win anything.
Like Luka for exemple ,Mavs were trash before he arrived and then went in the conf finales 3years later
Lack of mental toughness is no excuse everybody on that level has it hard.A guy who isn't drafted scrapping to make a roster spot has just as much a tough time as a hyped up first overall pick
I remember when Wiggins got drafted #1 in 2014 to the Cavs. Everyone knew he was going to be the trade piece to get Kevin Love. And so the wolves pulled the trigger on the trade. And then KAT comes in to play alongside Wiggins and both of their careers get stuck and they can’t go anywhere. But now in Golden State Wiggins has become a solid offensive option averaging 18 PPG on solid efficiency at 51%.
Yeah, because defenses have to focus on other guys, any good players will play more efficiently when they don't have a defender glued to them all the time
@Geassmaster55 and Tatum locked up KD , what's your point ?
@@matthieusaade3616 locking up kd wasn't just tatum but celtics team defense
So basically two players who had dreams of being superstars given their draft positions and hype essentially became high-end defensive role players on different teams with better player development.
Well said instead of being true number 1 they are 2b
They are those unique Uber athletic players with largest tool box with the most drawers full of tools without egos. They are continuously opening and closing drawers based on what the coach needs before and during a game.
@@RenzunShark Jokic definitely made the game easy for Gordon, and gotta give credit to Gordon for buying in as well
That's a great way of putting it
Wiggins isn’t a role player. He was a whole all star.
It's seems like these 2 labeled as bust seems unfair but somehow they managed to revive their career in particular Wiggins since last season when he became one of the major piece of the Warriors' title run especially in the Finals becoming arguably the second best player and the best defender of the series against Boston.
Btw Merry Christmas Andy my friend. I wish you keep up making contents like this talking about basketball in particular the NBA in general of course.
the amount of money Jokic made/will make for his teammates is ridiculous
😂😂😂
Nuggets GM Tim Connely became a millionaire because of him...
I think it’s as simple as understanding that not every Top 5 pick is going to be the next “whoever” some of these top 5 guys are franchise players and some of them are just great 2nd options etc
As a long time nuggets fan, I literally couldn't be happier than I am with Aaron Gordon. Freak athletes + jokic = success. He was pretty damn good last year, but he got even better in the off-season, and frankly, he has still been the second option for the most part. Other than when Jamal, mpj, kcp gets hot, of course.
He just baptized a man for a win
Yeah playing at an all-star level this year
People don't understand how good Jokic is. The man made Barton and Monte Morris serviceable starters
Loll facts
Wiggins was solid 20ppg player in Minnesota. Calling him a bust even in his worst (rookie) season is just ridiculous. I would never call anyone a bust with more than 10 ppg. In his 3rd season he got 23.6 ppg which is more like an all star caliber than a bust. He was a starter on 620/620 games. Do we really have to compare him to guys like Bennett,Oden etc ... ?
Compared to Jordan and didn't live up to the hype "he" generated. Definitely a bust
Compared to a goat everyone isn't even a bust haha
@@therealcapartist1690 that’s not what a Fuckin bust is tho you’re saying if he became a 10 time all star he still woulda been a bust because he wasn’t the greatest player of all time?
@@therealcapartist1690 Its the "media" created that hype, Wiggins just stuck in the middle of it. I mean really, the next Michael Jordan??? He definitely not 1st pick type of players, but he definitely not bust either, Wiggins more like 2nd / 3rd options players, I think he still worth picking at top 10 picks
Have you seen his effiency and how bad he was
Simple answer: Being developed properly by competent franchises and being implemented to a system that compliments their strengths/weaknesses.
Seems like more players are willing to accept they won’t be superstars and give into systems that maximize them, even early in their careers like Marcus Smart.
This
Exactly Wiggins was never gonna be “maple Jordan”
Wiggins was never gonna be left on the bench even without injuries.. the way you said this just makes it seem like he wasn't gonna get mins or a chance to play. Also I wouldn't call any of these 3 busts either. Gordon was the second best player on a playoff team in the magic even though it was always the 8th seed. He still did that.
Love to see these type of videos!! Always love guys that can ascend, even if it’s later on in their life!!
When you go from 1st option and the guy defenses focus on to 3rd option with open spaces because defenders aren't looking at you , it OBVIOUSLY becomes easier to play efficient
Aaron Gordon is the 4th option in Denver. Jokic, Murray, MPJ than Gordon.
@@BurritoKingdom bro, 3rd or 4th same same .
That is part of it, but stylistic adaptation and skill development are also important. Also, they both expend more energy on defense now, defending the other team's best player.
Season is going crazy and we’re halfway done!! Hope everyone has a great holiday weekend and end of the year!!
I think it's time to stop tossing the term "bust" around like that. How can you say Andrew Wiggins was ever a bust ? He's not. A bust is somebody who came in the league as a high lottery pick and ended up out of the league shortly after because they just weren't good enough to play in the league, like Anthony Bennett.
Not all guys who were bust were out of the league. U have guys like Dennis smith and others. Wiggins was lucky he got the opportunity on the warriors and getting a new team or else his career would've been different. Wiggins was literally picked 1st and had so many expectations
@@tj5180 Even as a first pick. You can't put all the weight of your franchise on your 1st pick. That is literally setting him up for failure, It barely works out
you know its a slow day when people start calling aaron gordon a bust
One point you didn't speak on was that both of then are playing in teams that pass a lot. im pretty sure that they wouldn't see the same results if they were playing for the nets or some other iso havy team.
They would not have the same roles on an iso-heavy team, and probably wouldn't be supported in their development.
You really should change the title.
Even a few years ago, they were far away to be BUSTS
Came back here after Aaron Gordon finally won an NBA championship with the 2023 Denver Nuggets. Anyone else present here? Now we can call both Wiggs and AG NBA champion now.
Nuggets didn't trade for Gordon because Murray and MPJ were injured. They were fully healthy when AG came to Denver and for the first several games AG/MPJ/Murray played together with Jokic they were arguably the best team in the League. Then Murray got injured, and the Nuggets haven't been the same since.
I'm not a nuggets fan but I was seriously interested in seeing denver play in the 2021 playoffs with their lineup of Murray,Porter,Barton,Gordon n Jokic.I thought that would've been the toughest starting lineup in the playoffs offensively but unfortunately Murray got hurt n it stopped denver's momentum right before the playoffs started
Out of all of the players and actual busts, I have NEVER considered either of these two players a bust. I think the focus should be on unrealistic expectations for young players
Andrew Wiggins was never a bust , like he was averaging 20 PPG in Minnesota , he just wasn’t in the right situation for him , that trade to Golden State was arguably the best thing that could’ve ever happened to him and it did revitalized his career on both ends
Hey Andy, I don't think you'll end up seeing this, but could you potentially make another video on Pascal Siakam? The topic could be the rise and fall, and rise again of Pascal Siakam. I feel like he isn't covered enough despite putting up All NBA numbers, thanks for the fire video! 🔥
Having Jokic spoon feeding him is the greatest reason for Gordons resurgence.
I don’t think Aaron Gordon was necessarily a bust. Wiggins on the other hand you can tell just how little people watched Minnesota games, yea Wiggins was averaging 20 points but was also slowing down and broke the offense at times because of his iso heavy style of play at the time, not to mention his laziness on defense and would pretty much give up when he wasn’t getting his touches, he barely tried getting better, Jimmy Butler exposed him. Leaving the Timberwolves was the best thing that could’ve happened to him
Butler liked Wiggins
I mean the timberwolves literally said "Because you are a 1st pick you will carry us and make us win" He can't fully focus on both defense and offense at the same time and succeed.
Merry Christmas from down under everyone 😁
Bruh that vid was 5 years ago my god
Andy been putting in that work
The team the player gets draft to really makes or breaks the player
We love AG here in Denver dude understands how Jokić likes to play and vice versa Gordon works so hard and we're glad he's here
Wiggins was never a bust. He just didnt reach the absurd expectation of him
Did anybody here thought of Aaron Gordon or Wiggins as busts? To me, busts is Kwame, Adam Morrison, but 2 players who once averaged 20 points are not bust!
ppl expect a lot coming from players drafted 1-5 but team development plays a huge factor
AG had an insane game winning dunk on Christmas
You clearly don’t know basketball if you’re thinking Wiggins was a bust
Watching this after Arron Gordon’s Christmas game and 😮💨 that boyyy special wit Murray and joker
L video Wiggins was never a bust he was just didn’t live up to his potential
Which is .... being... a bust????.
It’s kinda weird how Andrea Bargnani doesn’t get the same “bust” label as Andrew Wiggins despite both being in very similar positions for their careers. Bargnani was basically the Minnesota version of Wiggins for his whole career yet I don’t know anyone who would call him a “bust”, just an inefficient or overrated player.
Meanwhile, prior to joining the Warriors, Wiggins was still carrying the “bust” label and everyone was saying Golden State lost the D-Lo trade. Funny how that worked.
Neither Wiggins or Gordon was ever considered a bust. This is a bad take.
I have to agree that they were never considered busts. I can't remember them being labeled 'busts' by the majority, they were obviously disappointing and not meeting expectations. (Whether those expectations were fair is another question too.) But busts? Nah. Being a disappointment doesn't equal being a bust. I don't think most people labeled them busts. Andrew Wiggins averaged around 18-20 points per game while playing for the Wolves, someone who averages those kind of numbers can't be considered a 'bust'. The thing is they were just never winning, and therefore were 'disappointing'. But not busts. Depending on the context, averaging 18-20 points per game can be considered disappointing. But never a bust. We need to separate disappointing from bust.
When I think about busts, I think of guys like Anthony Bennett, Kwame Brown, Hasheem Thabeet, Greg Oden (Al tough not necessary due his own actions.) and others. I don't think that the majority ever had framed, labeled or classified Wiggins and Gordon in the same group as the guys I named above. So no they were never considered 'busts' by the majority.
Sure there is always a minority who have called them busts, (And some probably still do.) but we can't use the voice of the minority as THE generalization. Cause if we did than guys like Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kobe Bryant, Wilt Chamberlain, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'Neal, Stephen Curry and many more or better said, all players who have every played the game of basketball are all considered busts too. Cause there is always without a doubt one person or a few (Therefore a minority.) on this planet who would call these guys busts.
I think the problem probably lies in the fact that there isn't a true definition for the word 'bust'. Some use the word as alternative to 'disappointing'. And others to guys who aren't 'winning'. To me you are a bust when you can't play the game of basketball on a professional level. (On a consistent basis.)
Wiggins was never a bust, Minnesota just sucks at developing talent.
Its always about being drafted to the right senario
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I’m not sure if I’m suppose to consider long term of just this season but under the assumption of just this season
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I don't think Wiggins is a bust. He was averaging 17-20ppg before became an all star last year. Gordon was inconsistent at times and wasn't his fault. The Magic didn't develop him. Now he's thriving. Both of them are not Bust
Correction: Andrew Wiggins was drafted by the Cleveland Cavaliers, he was traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Kevin Love before the 2014-15 season began
Bro your content and the way you're presenting your videos is spectacular. Keep it up. I want more. New sub here 👍
Thank you for noticing Wiggins’ Defense in that finals. He was blocking and dunking on fools all series.
It’s a lot easier to get yours when you have people like Jokic and Curry with insane gravity. People game planned specifically for Gordon on Orlando, like getting doubles lol. A little easier to slide to the rim now.
Wouldn't say AG was a bust, I think he was just miscasted. As a 3rd or 4th option he is perfect. Obviously he's not a franchise player as Magic wanted him to be, but a 5 star role player and a glue guy.
2:00 I believe all players should try experimental things to see what they are capable of but you should never push to much on someone who you learn can not succeed in a role that’s been tried
I never heard anyone say they were a bust. People said they were good but not as good as they thought. Being a bust is someone who was bad and wasnt close to expectations. They were never bad.
Jaylen Brown next video Andy Hoops 🙏🙏🙏
The Nuggets didn't trade for Gordon because of the Murray and MPJ injuries. Murray got injured a couple of weeks after the trade and MPJ was relatively healthy at the time. There were several games with the "Big Four" on the court before the Murray injury and the Nuggets won them all. Gordon was brought to Denver as a missing puzzle piece to aim for the title. Only after those injuries was his role changed, since the Nuggets weren't seen as the title contenders anymore.
Gordon has benefited immensely by playing with Jokic and just about anyone would become a better player
Aaron Gordon plays defense well on anybody. He makes threes and finishes at the rim. So glad he is a Nugget.
Wow I remember that video 5 yrs ago😅
The Magic’s holy trinity at 2:10
I find your contend interesting. Keep it up.
as an arizona fan, you gotta do lauri too
Can you discuss about gheorge muresan in your next video. Perhaps rik smits.
Wiggins averaged 20 pts a game his 2nd year in the league and 24 a game his 3rd year..Dude was never a bust
He’s averaging 20 ppg this season too
We got Gordon before Murry and Porter were hurt.
I literally replayed that part twice. Does he even know what he's talking about? lmao
Finally some respect go AG love it thx
Wiggins right now is what Carmelo Anthony could have been earlier in his career had he been drafted to a contender like Detroit. Wiggins having veteran players and leaders to push them harder and hold them accountable on and off the court!!
Bol Bol , Markelle Fultz, Ben Simmons , Zion Williamson, Brandon Ingram and Jordan what's his name who used to play with the Lakers but plays for Utah now comes to mind.
gordon fr getting a vid bc 1 dunk crazy
AG and AW are players more suitable being complimentary pieces to a team with a conductor.
I don’t believe either of these two were true busts, especially wiggins. They may have underwhelmed for their draft position, but they weren’t really busts, they still had roles, and they contributed. Sure they’ve definitely improved, but I don’t think they were true busts
Wiggins is really talented, he just needed an organization that will show him how to have a winner mentality
I find it funny when people call Wiggins a bust because using their own logic, KAT might as well be a bust. He averagedpretty similar stats as wiggins during his rookie season and even currently in his 8th year, the wolves are struggling to even stay in the play in(even with Anthony Edwards, DLo, and Gobert)
I've read through the comments and I see that people that think Wiggs is a bust think it because he is not the first option in his team....which is stupid because the warriors are contenders.
Wiggins was never a busy he just wasn’t what he was supposed to be. Aaron Gordon should basically be this generation’s Shawn Marion . It looks like he’s getting to it now, he just needs to be a better defender
Both Wiggins and Gordon still were doing fine, bust is 100% too harsh of a word for them
Bro why takes a shot at rj he was a second option on a playoff team his second year in the league how is that empty stats ?
So according to Andy, in order to not be a bust you have to play next to an MVP
Nah Marvin Williams was still a bust... that Charlotte team was still trash...
IMHO, coaching and poor management were the blame in both cases. You cannot be that poor and survive in the league for that long. I also have a soft spot for Marvin Williams. I met the dude at an NBA event way back in 2007 in Hong Kong. He was shy and soft spoken. Overall a pretty humble guy.
Hey Andy, are you still gonna upload on your history channel?
Makes me wonder how many players with hidden potential are rotting on horrible teams
That’s what happens when players that are best suited to be the #3 or #4 option are expected to be the #1 and want to get paid as such. Rarely works out
I still view Wiggins as a bust
"Bust" seems to me like a harsh label based on how Aaron Gordon was perceived at the end of his Orlando Magic stint. Frustrating offensive player, sure. But he was a consistent starter and an excellent, versatile defender. The expectations around him weren't anywhere near Wiggins-level.
I don't think either were technically considered busts. They were not really living up to draft order expectations. But they were both going to be in the league for a while by most indications.
someone finally calling out Aron gordon for under achieving
dude went from Blake griffin to bench griffin real quick
Bro you geeking if you think Gordon the second-best player on the nuggets when you got Jamal Murray and Baby KD in Micheal Porter jr
NBA owners regularly, and incorrectly, believe physical talent is leadership. Wiggins and AG are very physically gifted but that does not make them team leaders. Both these dudes shine brite when there is another player on the team who fills that roll.
Wiggins was underrated, not nowhere near a bust... Same can be said about Gordon tbh
Never have I heard anyone reference to these two as “busts” at any point in their careers. Especially Wiggins, I’ve heard people say underperformed as a #1 pick but never heard him called a bust.
You try searching "Andrew Wiggins bust" here and filter by view count, tons of videos calling him a bust before he joined GSW
@@underpressure07140 Damn, I must’ve just ignored them because I highly disagree but I’m sure they do exist
I've never heard anyone call Gordon a bust.
I don’t care for Warriors but saying Wiggins was a bust was always a joke he was always averaging like 17-20 no matter how bad he shot most bust don’t even get that far without getting minutes cut or benched completely he was always a above average Sf who just was inconsistent
Nice.
Depends on what you consider a bust. Williams played over a 1,000 games, so obviously he had talent. On the other hand, as a second overall pick you're expecting a multi time all star, possibly a hall of famer. He never even averaged 15 ppg.
People really out here changing the narrative around Wiggins. People seem to forget that he was seen as the best prospect since Lebron, The next Best player of the league, people even saw his game as a rookie against Kobe as a passing of the torch moment. Everyone thought he was gonna be a star, what we then got after his roty season was inefficient high volume scoring and nowhere near the level of defense we see him play on Golden State. People forget that before joing GSW we saw Wiggins as a player who got complacent once he got his big contract, we saw him as a fringe all star at best when he was supposed to be the face of the league. As for AG he was never really expected to be a star
Yea, he was a former number one pick, one of the “chosen ones”. He’s not really a “bust”, more like never lived up to become a superstar. He’s a decent starter, hard to say he “revived his career”.
I think Wiggins was never a bust, 20+ PPG in Timberwolves. Minnesota worst organization
Aaron Gordon should play like a mycareer player.. dunk everything and hit open 3s.
Neither of these dudes were busts, Wiggins was given comparisons to Kobe and LeBron which were just unfair... but he was a 20 ppg player who was quite good, just not all nba level. Aaron Gordon was never a bust as well, as he was drafted to be essentially a poor man's Blake Griffin... and he played well in Orlando for a while before his production slowed down. Anthony Bennett, Markelle Fultz, Kwame Brown, Michael Olawakandi... these dudes were/are busts, not wiggins or gordon
We really need to separate bust from not reaching insane expectations. He’s a 20+ PPG scorer I don’t know know we can see that is a bust. Yes he underwhelmed but he was expected to be the next lebron that’s insane expectations to put on a 19 year old kid especially when you land in the train wreck that in MN
Also it didn't help he got screwed out of playing with LeBron and Kyrie
Gordon always just needed a good point guard
I would say Blake Griffin's career got wasted in the same way. Had anyone creative got him they'd be so much better.
here after the nuggets ot win on christmas
Aaron Gordon was considered a "bust"? I think the word needs to be redefined. When I think of a bust I think of Anthony Bennett or Darko Milicic. They couldn't play a lick, and were the number one and two overall picks in their drafts.