@@hilify I thought since i don't exactly see this hindered effect applied and it's not mentioned in power's description then this 0,2 seconds addition is supposed to be game changing and i just don't understand how yet, and since it's green, it sure as hell will make some diffirence in matches... But now... holy shit just 0,2 seconds... that's a waste of an addon slot that could have gone to even the manual addon.
I use a lot combined with the adam perk to unhook yourself,the broken state is less tyme!also,sprint to make even more value,the best think is,even other survivor can take of it
@@notOtzdarva i actually tried haunted once in my life and one of the survivors did not go down because another one had vigil. i mentioned it in endgame chat and their reaction was: ok 😐
This feels really wierd to hear as someone who plays Nemesis to chill and kill after playing more stressful killers... He's just so simple and braindead to play, it's relaxing.
So you're telling me, to counter vigil as nemesis, I either need to be M1 only or run the (essentially useless) licker tongue? I think BHVR should nerf Pig in response. It seems only reasonable.
Bro i don't even know that Nemi tentacle inflict a little hindered. I thought tentacle is basically just m1 with extra step and extra range and nothing else lmao
It's there, but the speed boost gained from losing a health state or the infection hitting you completely negates it, it might as well not even be there since it's so bad.
I just don't get why Nemesis gives a boost when he doesn't injure the survivor in the first place. The actual attack itself is very strong. Even with having to infect survivors first its still strong. That speed boost on the infection hit is the main thing that makes it so weak because it does turn it into, "You can m1 at a range but it takes 3 shots to down someone". Do away with the speed boost on the initial infection hit and it would be significantly better. It's not like survivors can't play around it by baiting it, dodging it, etc.
The question is why did they bother to put the status on him, when the effects aren't even noticable If he didn't have the status, nothing would change
Vigil used to be the most misunderstood perk in the game and now I feel like everyone runs it with exhaustion perks and with how many killer debuffs get countered by it... This perks just good man, especially cause it stacks.
that’s what i thought too, like why target nemy tiny hindrance and clown’s core mechanic but not incapacatitated. This perk is def underrated but I think 30% is way too strong for a free passive perk, should be 20% or at least 25%.
Let's just be honest, who in their right f*cking mind thought that 0.2 seconds for a status effect was a good idea? It is a GREEN ADD-ON! Buff that shit to 3 seconds. If Nemesis is required to hit a survivor 3 whole times just to down a survivor then 3 seconds should not be a problem. After all, Whesker has a similar ability but his hindered lasts FOREVER until you are cured.
Something sad though is that if you pair Vigil with Second Wind/Renewal, the broken status effect will go away faster but you won't heal until the timer on the perk is up
As a certified Blast Mine Self Aware Sprint Burst Vigil user i can confirm And if you disagree and want to hit me.... I'm gonna run away really fast then come back a few seconds later when my exhaustion is gone
I never under that. Hindered, made to slow the survivor down, AFTER YOU DO SOMETHING TO GIVE THEM A SPEED BOOST, and IT DOESNT EVEN LAST THAT LONG TO MATTER TO BEGIN WITH
Vigil can make for a great prank with Deliverance. For Killers who use Deliverance as a DS timer, they might pick you up early thinking it has deactivated
Nemesis is really becoming the next Pig with how many small things just contribute to making him not worthwhile to play over other killers, from his whip having to be at specific angles to break pallets or hit survivors to zombies just blair witching into the wall all game. They really need to do some fixes on Nemesis because half the time he's unreliable despite being one of the more fun killers.
Trust me when I say that when you're playing the Nemesis, you will never notice nor rely on nor even care about the hindered status effect after a tentacle strike so using Vigil against him is like saying that 6'0" is better than 5'11.9".
What I find interesting is just how many interactions like this one are in the game. It's virtually impossible for anyone to figure them out on their own without checking wiki and connecting dots like a detective but they exist, somewhat hidden behind obscurity of gameplay mechanics. You have to know that Nemesis applies tiny bit of Hindered, you have to know that Vigil increases recovery speed from Hindered and you have to join these two facts together. I doubt most players would even bother to think about stuff like this. This game is so complex that even players with thousands of hours can be surprised.
FUCK I've been making a build out of perks that I always feel like I need/where I'm always like "oh if I just had this perk" and you just put that number up to 5...
nemesis was the first killer i bought, and the one i havent played the most since i realized how terrible his power can be... i want to like him but the entire "you need 3 hits to down and survivors can get around that too" is just depressing
Honestly, as a nemisis main i just dont care and bait pallets and loop trick survivors out of thier loops, or hit them over walls when they loop me. If they vault i slap them if they stay at the vault i slap them with a tentacle and i use depleted inkwell and another thing to make zombies go a total of 200% faster whenever a gen is repaired. Its not about the infection and effects to me its about evolving so i can punish pallets
I still dont get why survivor get speed boost just for infecting, i guess to avoid back to back hit but pulling tentacle twice should take longer than punching once, so why not hmmm.
I am 1000% sure that Nemesis' tentacle tentacle hitbox is wonky. It being tiny is no excuse, Deathslinger also has a tiny hitbox and I can hit crazy shots almost always. There are numerous time where the tentacle hit a survivor right on their back and I didn't get anything. As if Nemesis wasn't problematic enough already
Now I want to see the speed difference between licker tongue no vigil, and no licker tongue and vigil, I honestly believe the difference is going to be non existent but itd be funny
I'd say you'd only get infected if they release you, and Nemesis can hit you while you're being grabbed to injure you, but that kills the zombie in the process and prevents them from infecting you. If you get hit while grabbed and already injured, you go into deep wound, and are downed outright if already in deep wound. If a zombie grabs you while you're already infected, you take damage when it releases you.
The hindered is only a fraction of a second.. meaning that if you recover that faster doesnt do much. The hindered is barely noticable as it is. The 30 percent faster really isnt a problem at all and not depressing at all
They should remove the Hindered for Nemesis entirely. It is so useless and doesn’t work properly. And the add-on that helps, Licker Tongue, should do something else. Maybe recover from missed Tentacle Strikes by 0.5 seconds maybe?
I thought they should just buff the hindered but I like this idea too. Honestly most of his addons need reworked. Because as it is right now, so many of the addons just affect the tier points you get for killing zombies. He could have addons that apply other status effects on tentacle hits like mangled or hemorrhage. His brown addons are bad enough that they could just be combined to make room for another one
Nemesis is my most hated killer to go up against. Even more than blight. His zombies are ALWAYS protecting 1-2 of the last 3 gens and he can just waltz his way through pallets. F that killer. Nerf it to the ground idc.
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Easy fix, just use Licker Tongue for that extra 0.2 seconds hindered and it's almost like they don't have Vigil. 😢
*Almost*
Just use Licker Tongue so you can almost have the same result as if you didnt have it. So nothing changed anyway. 🥲
Easily one of the worst add ons in the game. Cmon, GREEN ADD ON? seriously?
@@hilify I thought since i don't exactly see this hindered effect applied and it's not mentioned in power's description then this 0,2 seconds addition is supposed to be game changing and i just don't understand how yet, and since it's green, it sure as hell will make some diffirence in matches...
But now... holy shit just 0,2 seconds... that's a waste of an addon slot that could have gone to even the manual addon.
It’s like one stack of STBFL
The truly painful part of this video is that many people just realized that Nemesis inflicts hinder effect
I have him at Prestige 2 and just learned this lmao
p 13 and i didnt really know, hwoever is so minimal, is not like wesker ones for example so is normal many didnt know.
@@nicane-9966How did you not know at p13? Licker Tongue states that contaminated survivors are slowed by *additional* 0.2 seconds
This puts in perspective how secretly good is Vigil without necessarily having to run an exhaustion perk
Imagine hitting a healthy Survivor with ~15s left of your Haunted Ground and not seeing them go down 😂
@@notOtzdarva yeah I was once accused of hacking because I took a hit for my still exposed teammate while I already recovered from it
@@kaib6998 That's why I don't accuse anyone of hacking easily. The game has become far too complex to tell.
I use a lot combined with the adam perk to unhook yourself,the broken state is less tyme!also,sprint to make even more value,the best think is,even other survivor can take of it
@@notOtzdarva i actually tried haunted once in my life and one of the survivors did not go down because another one had vigil. i mentioned it in endgame chat and their reaction was: ok 😐
It's ok. Nemesis players like myself play this killer every time we have a great day, to start feeling suicidal again. RIP
But he is good using an anti pallet combo
Bro he needs a buff along with his add-ons they're really decent and not that good
I use Discordance, Call Of Brine, And than whatever for the other 2. It makes his zombies actually go to gens.
I play this game when I need to remind myself why I don’t play this game
This feels really wierd to hear as someone who plays Nemesis to chill and kill after playing more stressful killers...
He's just so simple and braindead to play, it's relaxing.
Taking hits while Haunted Ground is up and not going down is one of the funniest things I swear.
What is this? I’m new
@@Blackbirdofheaven hunting grounds makes you suffer from exposed status effect.
Meaning you're just one hit if you are a healthy survivor.
@@ntrspecialist1304 Do you mean haunted ground?
you could say players who use vigil will find themselves unhindered by such a status
So you're telling me, to counter vigil as nemesis, I either need to be M1 only or run the (essentially useless) licker tongue?
I think BHVR should nerf Pig in response. It seems only reasonable.
Man, I have been outplayed by Vigil more times than I can count. I still remember the time it countered my Haunted Ground
the day it counters my Make Your Choice is the day I get very upset
I'll use that as an excuse why I stopped maining Nemesis from now on, thank you Mr. Otzdarva
same :( i wish he had good add ons besides marvins blood and the exposed one, which is only kinda good
Bro i don't even know that Nemi tentacle inflict a little hindered. I thought tentacle is basically just m1 with extra step and extra range and nothing else lmao
1000 hour nem main here
Yep
Nothing more educational to add
It really is that bad
It's there, but the speed boost gained from losing a health state or the infection hitting you completely negates it, it might as well not even be there since it's so bad.
I just don't get why Nemesis gives a boost when he doesn't injure the survivor in the first place. The actual attack itself is very strong. Even with having to infect survivors first its still strong. That speed boost on the infection hit is the main thing that makes it so weak because it does turn it into, "You can m1 at a range but it takes 3 shots to down someone". Do away with the speed boost on the initial infection hit and it would be significantly better. It's not like survivors can't play around it by baiting it, dodging it, etc.
Something that not many people know is that multiple instances of Vigil stack together.
Wait so 4 stack all vigil, they would all apply it at the same time?
@@lingroire2556 Yeah, If you want to see the formula that Its calculated by then Its on the Vigil wiki page.
4 stack it's roughly 1/3 of status duration
Me and my friend do when we do double head on ;)
That's a whopping 120%
Be strong Nemmy mains. Be strong
Nah every nemmy I face is a facecamping pleb that never uses their tentacle godbless them😭😂😂
I'm staying strong. I've mained this Killer since he released and I'm omw to get him to P100
I literally didn't know any of these killer related effects existed. Vigil was a god tier perk all along, we just failed to see it.
The question is why did they bother to put the status on him, when the effects aren't even noticable
If he didn't have the status, nothing would change
0.2 hindered could be the difference between 10 meters or maybe 11 meters (nothing but.. can make difference sometimes uk)
I didnt even know about it until this video
because they’re stingy with killers.
Probably just to give slightly more reason to use his power and not make it feel like a harder to use M1
its so short and does almost nothing since they get a speed boost anyways
And just today I learned vigil doesn’t help against eruption….
BHVR: We understand Vigil is an op perk so we at BHVR are going to nerf the twins again!
Pig*
OP is a horrifically huge stretch
Why nerf twins? Clearly a pig nerf would solve this issue more easily!
The depressing nemesis fact is that hindered effect as is
And until today
I didnt even knew he has a status effect
Vigil used to be the most misunderstood perk in the game and now I feel like everyone runs it with exhaustion perks and with how many killer debuffs get countered by it...
This perks just good man, especially cause it stacks.
I just wish it would affect incapacitated as well
i dont get why it doesnt effect ALL negative statuses, its just a random flaw of it ig
@@kaib6998 It would be run by everyone right now because of Eruption.
that’s what i thought too, like why target nemy tiny hindrance and clown’s core mechanic but not incapacatitated. This perk is def underrated but I think 30% is way too strong for a free passive perk, should be 20% or at least 25%.
I don't play Nemesis to be the best. I play Nemesis to fist pump the air. .
Nemesis biggest ennemy is also one of his best friend: those damn zombies
they should work on their AI for real
If Vigil recovered incapacitated, it would become META with the current Eruption killer META, or at least used pretty often
It recovers all status effects im pretty sure. But I think it’ll only save you around 5 seconds
@@kenwashere5408 Not incapacitated
i never knew that nemesis actually inflicted hindered, wow
Let's just be honest, who in their right f*cking mind thought that 0.2 seconds for a status effect was a good idea? It is a GREEN ADD-ON! Buff that shit to 3 seconds. If Nemesis is required to hit a survivor 3 whole times just to down a survivor then 3 seconds should not be a problem. After all, Whesker has a similar ability but his hindered lasts FOREVER until you are cured.
BHVR
@@sxerwin So true.
I just learned that nemesis inflicts hindered...
Thanks. Gonna run vigil every game now.
Didn't know vigil worked with self inflicted statuses to. Might give it a try.
Welp I will now be running vigil in my builds, thanks otz!
whoever even notices the hindered from nemesis? It's so miniscule.
Something sad though is that if you pair Vigil with Second Wind/Renewal, the broken status effect will go away faster but you won't heal until the timer on the perk is up
But Vigil has an invisible side effect:
Causes nearby Sprint Burst addicts to magnetize towards you when exhausted.
As a certified Blast Mine Self Aware Sprint Burst Vigil user i can confirm
And if you disagree and want to hit me....
I'm gonna run away really fast then come back a few seconds later when my exhaustion is gone
Vigil's my favorite perk, never go into a match without it
Thanks OTZ. Time to abuse Vigil now.
I play with Vigil all the time and just now knew that nemesis gives you hindred 😭
I never under that. Hindered, made to slow the survivor down, AFTER YOU DO SOMETHING TO GIVE THEM A SPEED BOOST, and IT DOESNT EVEN LAST THAT LONG TO MATTER TO BEGIN WITH
Shoutout Otz for some very unknown information.
Nemi needs help :(
i love vigil for these exact reason
I always use vigil because I'm a sprint burst user, but i also like to have it in my loadout for status effects. Only incapacitated is missing,
Can't wait for the "How did that not hit? They must have Vigil!" moments in matches
Vigil can make for a great prank with Deliverance. For Killers who use Deliverance as a DS timer, they might pick you up early thinking it has deactivated
Ds doesn’t exist so it’s calm
Took me a while to understand your comment, that's super smart.
U think we are afraid of ds? We have moris still
Still waiting for an addon which gives a RPG to nemesis.
Nemesis is really becoming the next Pig with how many small things just contribute to making him not worthwhile to play over other killers, from his whip having to be at specific angles to break pallets or hit survivors to zombies just blair witching into the wall all game. They really need to do some fixes on Nemesis because half the time he's unreliable despite being one of the more fun killers.
At least he's got zombie friends that block hallways, if the map has hallways.
i never knew vigil was used this way. will use it now!
Lol so that's why I never notice the hinder, running vigil on my sprint burst build just ignores it completely
Vigil is really what you'd call ol' reliable
Lickers tongue plus marvins blood definitely still helps, especially getting tier 2 out of the same first chase
Me a vigil user: This is just a fraction of my power.
Survive With Friends activate!
Trust me when I say that when you're playing the Nemesis, you will never notice nor rely on nor even care about the hindered status effect after a tentacle strike so using Vigil against him is like saying that 6'0" is better than 5'11.9".
I mean... It's a depressing fact video. He never did say that there would be only one depressing fact in it.
I like nemesis because of his upgrade system. Even if his ability becomes useless due to these perks, it can still become a quick pallet breaker
Don't forget Freddy's hindered. Unlike Nemesis' tentacle attack his snares can't even damage.
Thank you for the upload :)
I was wondering why all of a sudden my last few Nemesis games have been shit
It's interesting though, the very short hindered effect from Nemesis is the strongest hindering in the game, at 20%.
Oh man, I have had numerous times before where I was angry at the game for "robbing" me of a haunted grounds insta down, but it was just Vigil?
The exasperation in your voice speaks volumes Otz 😂Poor Nemi.
What I find interesting is just how many interactions like this one are in the game. It's virtually impossible for anyone to figure them out on their own without checking wiki and connecting dots like a detective but they exist, somewhat hidden behind obscurity of gameplay mechanics. You have to know that Nemesis applies tiny bit of Hindered, you have to know that Vigil increases recovery speed from Hindered and you have to join these two facts together. I doubt most players would even bother to think about stuff like this. This game is so complex that even players with thousands of hours can be surprised.
"to nerf the nemi down... just a lil bit"
Poor nemmy.... He needs more love. Come on! Look at him! Doesn't his eye (s) ask for some cuddles??
and thats bio-weapon friends.
Perhaps I just get lucky, but the zombies do allot of the work for me as nemesis.
i honestly feel like nemesis needs a freddy level rework at this point and make him more faithful to his actual re counter part
From the 4 1/2 years I've been playing, I did not know this-
Press 0 constantly to hear otz say Ara Ara
FUCK
I've been making a build out of perks that I always feel like I need/where I'm always like "oh if I just had this perk" and you just put that number up to 5...
I think a nerf (if it was ever needed) would be to either get rid of this bug or make vigil affect positive survivor effects too like endurance
Now if only it worked against the incapacitated status effect
I didn't even know he's giving hindered 😂😂 never saw it haha
nemesis was the first killer i bought, and the one i havent played the most since i realized how terrible his power can be... i want to like him but the entire "you need 3 hits to down and survivors can get around that too" is just depressing
With dead hard it becomes 4 hits to down someone, that’s why i dropped him, he needs a buff or rework asap
Honestly, as a nemisis main i just dont care and bait pallets and loop trick survivors out of thier loops, or hit them over walls when they loop me. If they vault i slap them if they stay at the vault i slap them with a tentacle and i use depleted inkwell and another thing to make zombies go a total of 200% faster whenever a gen is repaired. Its not about the infection and effects to me its about evolving so i can punish pallets
It won't change anything for Nemesis honestly, but just the fact that this is even a thing makes it so sad
I still dont get why survivor get speed boost just for infecting, i guess to avoid back to back hit but pulling tentacle twice should take longer than punching once, so why not hmmm.
Nemesis gives a hindered effect!? This entire time I've used him or played against him I never knew that
Yeah I think it’s 0.25 second and only applies on an infection hit
@@grayrim why even have it then that just sounds so mediocre
@@alecorn5200 BHVR
I never knew tentacle strike had hinder.
I am 1000% sure that Nemesis' tentacle tentacle hitbox is wonky. It being tiny is no excuse, Deathslinger also has a tiny hitbox and I can hit crazy shots almost always. There are numerous time where the tentacle hit a survivor right on their back and I didn't get anything. As if Nemesis wasn't problematic enough already
Ngl just making it recover from incapacitation faster would nerf eruption
I hate when I’m doing a gen and a Claudette shows up looking like a zombie, her player model is crazy similar to the female zombies one no cap
I didn’t even know vigil can get rid of haunted faster, I always thought it was a set amount of time. Vigil is kinda nuts tbh.
Now that Any Means Necessary has no cooldown, Zombies are now going to be killed everytime they spawn 😢
Now I want to see the speed difference between licker tongue no vigil, and no licker tongue and vigil, I honestly believe the difference is going to be non existent but itd be funny
Poor nemmy give the poor man a break
Not gonna lie I never knew this perk existed
And i thought no one knew that ...
Does vigil also counter Docs shock timer when beeing afflicted by the M2?
Oh no it counters my favourite add-on...(what was that called? OH, yeah I remember)... Licker Tongue. Whatever shall I do now.
Come on man, don't tell them about this
I want the zombies to actually grab a survivor instead of slapping them
I'd say you'd only get infected if they release you, and Nemesis can hit you while you're being grabbed to injure you, but that kills the zombie in the process and prevents them from infecting you. If you get hit while grabbed and already injured, you go into deep wound, and are downed outright if already in deep wound. If a zombie grabs you while you're already infected, you take damage when it releases you.
Man I’m going back to blight :(
Another depressing fact about nemesis: he's the only killer to have to hit a survivor 3 times to get a down 😭
bc his whip is super good in chase what
Trickster has to hit survivors way more times, I'm pretty sure
Can we talk about the depressing Licker Gene add-on?
The hindered is only a fraction of a second.. meaning that if you recover that faster doesnt do much.
The hindered is barely noticable as it is. The 30 percent faster really isnt a problem at all and not depressing at all
This is why I quit playing Nemy after vigil got buffed.
Nemy still number 1, in my heart anyway. I'd get yelled at for saying he's the best killer
They should remove the Hindered for Nemesis entirely. It is so useless and doesn’t work properly. And the add-on that helps, Licker Tongue, should do something else. Maybe recover from missed Tentacle Strikes by 0.5 seconds maybe?
I'd love to see that add-on change
I thought they should just buff the hindered but I like this idea too. Honestly most of his addons need reworked. Because as it is right now, so many of the addons just affect the tier points you get for killing zombies. He could have addons that apply other status effects on tentacle hits like mangled or hemorrhage. His brown addons are bad enough that they could just be combined to make room for another one
Any good builds with vigil? I want to try it
Man my zombies are already dumb enough ;-;
I don't need this shit
Tbh it won't make much difference even if I'm using the licker tongue
God tier against a Clown with double intoxication addons.
Good, he already has a lingering hitbox with no visual indication of where it is that leads to the worst feeling hits
Nemesis is my most hated killer to go up against. Even more than blight. His zombies are ALWAYS protecting 1-2 of the last 3 gens and he can just waltz his way through pallets. F that killer. Nerf it to the ground idc.