His perks would be “Informational gen” when a survivor interacts with a generator they will be prompted with facts about the game instead of hitting skill checks you will answer Short questions about said prompts his next perk would be “Hello friends” This perk will activate when four M1’s have been hit, survivors will have a one percent increase on speed But heal at 35% speed for 180 seconds 80 second cool down. His last perk would be “Lizard’s tail” Survivor must have been hooked. Any blinds or stuns on the killer will cause the next three interactions of any kind to reveal an aura for six seconds with the last interaction applying exposed effect for 20 seconds.
No bc one of the few completely fun things I love to do is play dress up w my survivors/killers, but its hard to see what a piece will look like before buying it. I wish there was more content on that
@@pugstrikerare you referring to an odd "looks like gliding instead of walking" thing ? just askin because i got accused to be a hacker because the survs seem to have seen exactly that when i played Plague the other day
Pyramid head being your least favourite was quite the surprise. He's easily in my top 5. But then again, SH2 is one of my favourite games of all time so I might be pretty biased. I just love the Torment mechanic so much.
I loved Pyramid Head on release but I'm just bad with him now, so I hate him, lol. I don't even know why I'm bad with him now, something must have gotten patched on him that I didn't realize gave me an edge.
I love how diverse the dbd community's thoughts on killers are, I personally love playing as and against myers but hate playing as or against the plague
I dont like vsing plague either but it's generally because of how teammates play against her not her herself lol. But I agree on Myers, only person I feel bad for his when random #1 feeds him for 99% of his ability then poor zarina sitting on a gen that doesn't even know who the kill is gets chokeslammed lmao
If I could only pick one killer to play forever, it would be Myers. He isn't my favorite killer, but I feel like he has the most gameplay diversity by using his add-ons. My 3 loadouts for Myers feel like 3 different killers. That's why if I could only play one killer, it would be him, because when I got bored I could switch to a different loadout. I mean, scratched mirror by itself is just such a cool add-on. It's one of the best builds to use hexes with, because you can track everyone and see anyone approaching them. It's also the one stealth build that Distortion doesn't work against, because it eats all their tokens immediately and they can never get new ones. So yeah, there's definitely a large range of opinions here.
@mayebeline1149 the scratch mirror is so much fun. Maybe I'm boring but I really enjoy myers and ghostie. I love the jump scare aspect of both killers
I totally agree with playing against slinger. Ever since i learned how to play him, I've been aware of the cracks and holes in the environment that he can shoot through. I now avoid short loops when possible and in general have been juking better with the spear.
I don't really play the game anymore, but listening to you i always gives me the urge to pick it up again, and i love how your passion for the game is so forward when you talk.
It is actually not very surprising. It is so easy to outplay them that you can get away with a lot on your chases. Especially if you are comfortable enough with playing injured, they have literally no edge or nasty surprise for you anywhere.
I just get annoyed playing against Legion. Yo! I'm doing a gen over here! Do you mind?! Fine. Chase me for 10 seconds. There. Kindly run off now, please. With peace an love. Lolol.
@@JeroJero_Editshave you been living under a rock? Since thanas last nerf which was forever ago, it's useless. It only gives a 2% debuff per survivor injured, and then suddenly jumps to 20% when all 4 injured. So it goes: 2,4,6,20. So all you have to do is have 1 person healthy, which is extremely easy to do, and that 6% debuff is insignificant. I'd take a 6% debuff on gen speed than some other S tier perk instead.
As someone whose favorite killer is Legion, it's super nice to hear that some people can appreciate his type of gameplay! While it often brings a smile to my face, having two or more players complain that I somehow tunneled both at the same time makes me unsure of whether or not people just hate playing versus Legion, so this was helpful. Thanks!
Dont worry, there is atleast always 1 survivor, who will always complain when you killed him. I dont know why, but DBD has one of the most toxic playerbases (not League of Legends level but). And against good survivors legion isnt really strong, so most people like to play against him, because they can loop him very well. So dont worry, its specific people who hate to lose, not that people hate to play against legion (i mean there will always be some people but i think you get my point)
I used to get mad hate because people sucked at unhooking vs huntress and kept sandbagging their team, like I wasn't supposed to use my power to punish mistakes in my line of sight lol, in my experience most people like that just have ego issues and get triggered by losing
My only question is why? They aren't fun or strong or have a cool design or anything else going for them so why do you main them lol😂 i main huntress, artist, plague and i have a reason to main them.
I think people just hate legion thanataphobia, understandably so it's unbelievably mundane to play against. At higher levels if people can drag out the chases to deny being injured it can be countered
YES!!! I feel so vindicated as a Legion main, I feel like their power is so well designed!! They actually feel like the final Chapter 1 Boss in a game that tests all the basics you've learned so far, and is the gatekeeper between beginners and novice survivors. Like it specifically challenges the things most newer players intuitively gravitate towards, and it's specifically countered by and therefore teaches and encourages you to do things that are great principles against all killers: - New survivors tend to stick with their teammates, it's scary to be all alone and you'd think there's strength in numbers. Legion specifically punishes survivors that group together by chaining together slashes against unique survivors, encouraging survivors to be brave and split up which is generally speaking good against all killers. - Newer survivors feel compelled to hide when that Terror Radius gets loud, it's scary when it sounds like the Killer is nearby. Legion specifically punishes hiding survivors with the Killer Instinct revealing their position after slashing one survivor, and their Terror Radius gets bigger too so if you hide at the hint of a heartbeat you'll waste way too much time! This encourages survivors to be brave and not hide, and continue pressuring the objective! (I'd love to also say Legion's speed encourages survivors to not hold W and run away, but that's exactly what they're encouraged to do 😭😭😭) - Newer survivors are anxious to get healed up as soon as they can, panicked by the noise they're making and how vulnerable they are while injured. Legion specifically punishes healing survivors with their ability to quickly injure and waste the time of healthy survivors, making healing too often a huge waste of time. This encourages survivors to be brave and realize staying injured is sometimes better than healing, and rely on their chasing skills to stay alive! (This is reinforced by Legion's difficulty with downing injured survivors, and it also tests survivors' skills in chase with the pressure from a smaller margin for error if they're always injured). I feel like Legion is the perfect test for new survivors, and once passed, you begin to see how Legion really isn't that difficult to counter if you know what to do! As you get better (like Otz shared here), you even get to show off your skills and strategy against them! And the principles you learn from countering them are useful against most of the other killers too! I could go on about how the Legion's power for the Killer's pov is also very well designed (and what criticisms I do have) and how it puts you right into the exhilarating shoes of Frank/Julie/Joey/Susie
@@Preston-9118girl you’re on otz’s yt channel. you can handle a 9 hour video and not a 2 min read? let that person talk their talk ab what they love or just skip if you’re not interested
@@Preston-9118 Why not? If you know how new players play and how to counter Legion then you could probably put it together from just the 1st paragraph. I know I could've been more succinct, I don't _expect_ anyone to read it all I'm not entitled to your time/attention. I was just expressing something I was excited about. What's wrong with that? :p
As an Artist main and stan, I'm SO HAPPY you have fun playing as her and against her. I want more Artists because she's so unique and can do some really cool shots!
3:44 "Overcome the odds" Me: and overcome the Otz as well as a killer! Nice lists! Enjoyed the passion in explaining each killer and why you liked them!
I agree with you about facing legion really fun too go against, just not my fav when I have a solo queue team that has no idea how to counter him and just give up… also (legions need too use their mix tapes more cuz hearing those banging chase themes are amazing ngl)
@@coletrainhetrick Susie’s mix tape with any of the other ones will do for me! But with franks is probably the best Joey isn’t too bad either but yeah, you don’t have too I know there not the strongest addons I just think there cool
I don't use mixtapes too often simply because Mischief List almost feels like a requirement. Well there's that and the mixtapes themselves aren't all that great for the most part. Julie's Mixtape is situationally decent, but you can usually bait a pallet then vault over for a hit. Suzie's Mixtape is strange because it's like "I can see you but there's no chance my power lasts long enough to catch you". Frank's Mixtape can situationally be decent actually but you want to dedicate your entire build around it. Fuming Mixtape is pretty damn good! Then there's Joey's Mixtape, and to be honest... I don't even remember what it does since I just don't use it. If BHVR ever makes Mischief List base kit then I'd be more open to using mixtapes but for now I'll stick to the more practical add-ons like the pins, rulers, Stab Would Study, Never Sleep Pills, Mischief List, the occasional Stolen Sketchbook, Filthy Blade, and Murals l. Maybe I'll try out the mixtapes again here pretty soon but I don't expect them to be crazy effective.
Joey main. Two things. First the weaker a player is the higher the chances they dislike going up against Legion. Legion is a noobstomper and if there was a way to rework this part of their identity that'd be sweet, but I don't see it without destroying them completely. Secondly generally speaking I find it's how people play a killer matters a whole lot more rather then who they are. Like I've had some really nice Pinheads, Artists, Hags and Clowns. Killers I really hate going up against. Yet on the other end there are some real jerks who play Demogorgon, Huntress, Billy and Wesker. Killers who I would prefer going up against.
@@Peachrocks5 its a killer for the noobs to stomp other noobs. playing against him as a swf is really easy, playing him in soloq makes the randos give him free kills.
The pyramid head was surprising for me. I love playing him and love the Silent Hill series a lot in general. But i can see your reasoning. As always, great video man:)
Pyramid head love! I love playing him soooo much. Expression in zoning and shots, and the p-head-flicks being so satisfying to hit make this killer feel great to play. I enjoy playing hard killers, and P-head's one-frame flick timing, along with the complexity of his power definitely put him at my first spot. It's a shame Otz doesnt like him :/
As someone whose #2 favorite killer to play is Pyramid Head (Behind Singularity) I was pretty surprised to see him dead last. Very interesting and fun to see such a difference.
I HATE singularly, lol. I just can't figure out how to use his damn power. I got so angry I couldn't get my mercilous achievment, I haven't played DBD since. 😢
Haha, Larry's got a merciless learning curve for sure! He immediately clicked for me, personally, as I've always wanted a control killer like that. Hope things work out for you if you plan on keeping at it as I think he's very rewarding! @@TeamLexana
Otz I hope you know that the second I started using the prayer tablet strategy you made a video on it and got me hooked on it. It’s gotten me deep into Iridescent every season and I love the oppressiveness of it.
I agree with legion being fun to play against so much. That's why legion is one of my favorites to play, it's generally more fun for both sides rather than just "use ability and win."
I did not expect you loving going against Legion! You put nearly everything I love about Legion into words! I love interacting with every survivor one way or another, I like that I have to consider whether or not I want to commit to a chase or not after my power ends and not to mention the chase music and mixtapes! I love Legion and it was unexpected hearing that you enjoy going against them, that lowkey warmed my Frenzied heart! ❤️
Sadako main and I'm so happy to see her in a positive light in your list!! I absolutely love the mind games with her demanifest and her teleport map control is so much fun!!
While Legion is relatively weak, I adore playing as them since theres simply so many different builds you can use on them. So many mediocre or outright bad perks work amazingly on Legion. And they have fun and interesting add-ons like the BFFs Necklace which makes you fast in the endgame, or the ruler that makes your lunges in power longer. They also have enough cosmetic variation that you get the same sort of freedom as survivors, being able to make a look your own, which is nice.
12:07 and it was with one moment that the OtzDynasty fell…or so it would seem. Those without an understanding of his ways left in droves, entirely missing the subtlest of chess like plays he had made. By mentioning Legion was his favorite, Otz had all but ensured they’d get a rework, freeing his people from the oppressive “mendulator” that was a Legion game. They’d travel far and wide to thank him, only to find him already working one yet another selfless task as DBD’s savior
To add onto that Skull Merchant discussion at the end, a lot of people have ignored a major effect thats going to come from her. Even after a rework that makes her more fun to play as, and against her, people still DC in droves. You never have a match with Skull Merchant where theres no disconnect. People online "discussing" her only ever just say to remove her, not rework just get rid of entirely. The message its gonna send to BHVR is "dont bother fixing whats broken, just move on and make new stuff". Like, we've all seen people argue for BHVR slowing down new content and making what they already have better, and fixing issues that have been there for a long time. However, with how people react so negatively to reworking Skull Merchant and Sadako, killers that need changes due to their problematic gameplay aspects, the message being sent to the devs is just "ignore the problem and move on, dont bother wasting time on fixing whats broken."
Come to think of it I actually enjoy playing against legion. Everyone complains about having to mend but that's really the only bad thing about the experience. Every point you made was spot on!
Love seeing my boi Frank up top of the fun vs pyramid. I find them so much fun to play as, despite being low tier, because Legion's kit enables such a huge variety of builds and perks that don't work very well elsewhere, and their variety of addons is such an excellent example of how to design options that are interesting and meaningful without fundamentally changing how the killer uses their power. Survivors DCing against them are just scrubs terrified of the piss bar.
Most people hate it bcs of the mending or bcs they can’t loop very well. While the mending can be boring, Legion is M1 killer with no anti-loop that actually has to mindgame and interact with the game itself. Chaining hits is also not that easy if the survivors are decent/map is big.
Oni Is my main And it was surprising that he isn’t even in Top 10 but i remembered how map depended he is sometimes he takes too much time to get his power active but when you do great play with him he’s really fun , Like Top 5 Fun Killers
As a ghostface main I feel neutral about this video As someone who doesn’t main but plays Michael more than most I’m just a little sad but I knew it was coming
If you want to get better watch some games of cocolatte it's crazy what he does with him, I don't want to advertise other streamers here but I think otz is anyway the most successful so I think he doesent bother
I started the video before sleeping and saw your top 3 picks. I asked myself, who're my favorite killers? Well it was Nemesis and now it's Xenomorph so them 2. Open the video this morning and it's so satisfying to see you agree OTZ!
Man if they just smooth out a lot of the clunkier parts of Pyramid Head he would feel so fun to play and be a lot more approachable. His kit is so interesting, but with his camera issues, controls, etc, it’s so hard to not feel too limited.
My biggest issue with PH is that his barbwire blast thing doesn't inflict Torment. Maybe you could make it so it only inflicts if you hit the survivor with a basic attack first, for balancing, but he just feels to clunky to me.
They need to do research into the player psychology behind skull merchant. I dont think i've ever seen a game where the whole community seems to revile a single character as much as Skull Merchant. I wasn't really surprised in the first few months, I'm no stranger to controversey in gaming, but the fact that players STILL DC on sight with her is so crazy.
I recommend checking out Magic: The Gathering. Especially the events of Eldrazi Winter, or the infamous Urza's Saga induced (the set, not the card) Combo Winter.
It's mostly just a meme. People DC against Skull Merchant because they've been told "SM bad," and they would rather go along with it than actually give the game a chance. I've seen new players DC against her who literally have never once played a real game against her, just because they've been fed horror stories by Reddit or their favourite content creators. Which is a shame, because honestly, I've had some genuinely exciting and fun games both as and against her.
It's quite simple. When she came out she was absolutely atrociously designed in every conceivable way. Since then despite many changes she's still absolutely atrociously designed and many people (including myself) belive that there's zero redeeming qualities in any part of her.
Hearing "depressing killer with almost no redeeming qualities" definitely hurt me as a PH one-trick. It's not true! His addons are horrible, but you just have to play him right to have fun with him. Hitting an m2 with PH is probably the most satisfying feeling in all of DBD.
Words cannot express how happy I am, as a Legion main, to see where you put them. My goal as a Killer main is always to challenge the survivors and give them a good experience.
As a legion main I appreciate you giving us props for having a killer that is forgiving.. i mean look at what legion could’ve been (aka chucky).. but unlike Crackdoll we cant down you right after we jump a pallet.
Nurse, Cenobite, Wesker to play against for me. I absolutely love the thinking required to best Nurse/Ceno, and you're totally right. Wesker is the poster child of a fun chase killer!
This is my favorite type of list because it's so interesting what peaks your interest. For me, literally all I care about is the chase music lmao. Myers, Wesker, Freddy (lullaby) are my favorite to go against specifically due to the music lol
For sadako if you're not found by her right away, get her tape as soon as it's on. It's highlighted for you and blocks her from teleporting. It's true your teammates has to have the knowledge as well to grab tapes and deny her teleport. She's a pub stomping killer that destroy survivors on the most levels of MMR. Her chase powers even with the buffs she got for her kit in the recent hotfix and not being stunned while demanifested is still weaker then most killers in game. Her mind game with the newspaper and watch is fun to guess where she can be. Not to mention it takes 1 second to deposit a tape. I enjoy to face her personally, as well when your teammates are decent on top. But I can understand not many people know how to face her. Maybe a up to date guide from the onryo mains would help make it easier for pubs when they face her. Great video
I loved this video. It's cool to just shoot the breeze from time to time. One thing different between me and him is I LOVE going against stealth killers.
Hey Otz, please can you do a short video explaining the updated skull merchant, how her drones work, and more importantly how to play against her as survivor. Id love to know and might help with the DC's! Thankyou
There are some videos out there to provide some information on what you are looking for. Pixel's guide explains her power, how to play as her and face her, and shows some cheeky tricks in her kit. Then there is Jane Romaro, who's guide is a tad old, but is still good.
For me personally, as a solo queu exlusive, i would change a few placements, and here is why. Wesker- he is very fun to go against, even against the occassional hug tech pro. BUT, even to this day, he is such a popular killer that I would bump him down a tier or two simply because of overexposure. Legion- you are correct that you do have more options against him, but so many survivors choose to immediately full mend or consistently priotize a heal over a gen and gens just simply never get done. At least in the solo queu world. He gets brought down a tier or two for this. Otherwise, yes, tense but not oppressive. Wraith- so many people are surprisingly bad at countering him and hes actually a quite competant killer if used correctly. So kind of a solo queu stomper if you have a weak link. Otherwise your placement i agree with Trapper- bring him up simply because ive had so many goofy friendly encounters with him and hes my OG main. Twins- i *would* enjoy facing them but it seems the dominant strat has become to just slug absolutely all the time. Most unfun strat in the game and on an already rare killer just makes me feel like we are either going to shit on them or be bled out at 5 gens. Otherwise i actually think they're kinda fun to go against Nurse- just wanted to say that shes become so rare that even with how oppressive she can be its actually a nice change of pace to face her. Even if we get shit on Otherwise prefect tier list
The pyramid head is too true, I started playing when he was added and I remember how great he felt to play despite some bugs. Because survivors complained about the power we got a clunky mess instead who feels awful to play.
Finally! Maybe Otz will make players understand that its fun to play vs legion and you can counter them in many ways. Its actually a test of skill and creativity for survivors, no wonder so many survivors complain about legion XD
I only like Freddy with one specific build, it uses Pill Bottle, Red Paintbrush, and Face the Darkness. Face the Darkness works great on Freddy as anyone sleeping will scream no matter the distance from him, and Paint Brush not only lets you get great early game pressure from that, but also lets you keep survivors asleep a little easier to get the most out of it. Pill bottle just makes you invisible when carrying which is solely to feel like the good ol days. I call it the old Freddy build because with pill bottle and the really great tracking on sleeping survivors, you really feel like the old dream demon Freddy who made people sleeping feel vulnerable.
In other words it's the tier list of 4illers at which he doesn't suck the most. As you can see the higher the tier list - the easier to play 4iller there is lol
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"I lost my tail last week" makes so much more sense now
He's trying to distract us from the fact that he's a fucking robot
@@YourContractHasExpiredthis is real Otz is like that robo crocodile from Rick and Morty
@@YourContractHasExpired or perhaps a furry?
I don’t understand why people didn’t get it when he started talking about how much he loves eating insects and sun bathing
“Secretly a lizard” - I think Otz may be a future killer in dbd
The strange thing is that why does secretly being a lizard disqualify them from being Otz?
So he’s the hag.
Would be epic
His perks would be “Informational gen” when a survivor interacts with a generator they will be prompted with facts about the game instead of hitting skill checks you will answer Short questions about said prompts his next perk would be “Hello friends” This perk will activate when four M1’s have been hit, survivors will have a one percent increase on speed But heal at 35% speed for 180 seconds 80 second cool down. His last perk would be “Lizard’s tail” Survivor must have been hooked. Any blinds or stuns on the killer will cause the next three interactions of any kind to reveal an aura for six seconds with the last interaction applying exposed effect for 20 seconds.
The Lizard
I like this format a lot better, revealing killers as you go instead of showing them all at once!
Secretly a lizard? This lizard is really good at videogames.
One of my favorite Otz videos is when he went over his personal favorite drip for each killer. I'd love to see an updated/sequel of that video
No bc one of the few completely fun things I love to do is play dress up w my survivors/killers, but its hard to see what a piece will look like before buying it. I wish there was more content on that
@@cumquat5724So do you want it or not? The way you write your comment is really stupid
"Plagues movement became more fluid."
Nice
so fluid she is skating now
@@pugstrikerare you referring to an odd "looks like gliding instead of walking" thing ? just askin because i got accused to be a hacker because the survs seem to have seen exactly that when i played Plague the other day
@@komaredausberlin868i think he talk about her big butt
@@komaredausberlin868 yes its a bug right now.
bhvr has to fix her animation
Funny watching her on kindred, that sister got no knees
i really appreciate you otz, keep making content!!
Thank you friend.
@@notOtzdarvahello there otz
@@revolveswayyythis is friends
sounds like a threat to me
Glad to see Otz continuing to make his content accessible for the ectothermic part of his community
Pyramid head being your least favourite was quite the surprise. He's easily in my top 5. But then again, SH2 is one of my favourite games of all time so I might be pretty biased. I just love the Torment mechanic so much.
Same.
ive never even played SH2 but Pyramid head is like my top 3 killer.
I loved Pyramid Head on release but I'm just bad with him now, so I hate him, lol. I don't even know why I'm bad with him now, something must have gotten patched on him that I didn't realize gave me an edge.
He's my top pick. So it being otz last is shocking
his argument being the rocking motion actually blew my mind
I love how diverse the dbd community's thoughts on killers are, I personally love playing as and against myers but hate playing as or against the plague
fuck plague, all my homies hate plague
I dont like vsing plague either but it's generally because of how teammates play against her not her herself lol. But I agree on Myers, only person I feel bad for his when random #1 feeds him for 99% of his ability then poor zarina sitting on a gen that doesn't even know who the kill is gets chokeslammed lmao
Yeah me too!
If I could only pick one killer to play forever, it would be Myers. He isn't my favorite killer, but I feel like he has the most gameplay diversity by using his add-ons. My 3 loadouts for Myers feel like 3 different killers. That's why if I could only play one killer, it would be him, because when I got bored I could switch to a different loadout.
I mean, scratched mirror by itself is just such a cool add-on. It's one of the best builds to use hexes with, because you can track everyone and see anyone approaching them. It's also the one stealth build that Distortion doesn't work against, because it eats all their tokens immediately and they can never get new ones.
So yeah, there's definitely a large range of opinions here.
@mayebeline1149 the scratch mirror is so much fun.
Maybe I'm boring but I really enjoy myers and ghostie. I love the jump scare aspect of both killers
so proud of otz for finally making his content lizard friendly, it really warms my cold, cold scales.
wait wha-
I totally agree with playing against slinger. Ever since i learned how to play him, I've been aware of the cracks and holes in the environment that he can shoot through. I now avoid short loops when possible and in general have been juking better with the spear.
I don't really play the game anymore, but listening to you i always gives me the urge to pick it up again, and i love how your passion for the game is so forward when you talk.
Why’d you stop?
11:58 I saw Legion as the only top tier fave to play against and immediately went "Otz is actually a psychopath for this" XD
It is actually not very surprising. It is so easy to outplay them that you can get away with a lot on your chases. Especially if you are comfortable enough with playing injured, they have literally no edge or nasty surprise for you anywhere.
It’s not fun when they have thana
@@JeroJero_Edits Legion Pin + Thana is a combo I see way too often
I just get annoyed playing against Legion. Yo! I'm doing a gen over here! Do you mind?! Fine. Chase me for 10 seconds. There. Kindly run off now, please. With peace an love. Lolol.
@@JeroJero_Editshave you been living under a rock? Since thanas last nerf which was forever ago, it's useless. It only gives a 2% debuff per survivor injured, and then suddenly jumps to 20% when all 4 injured. So it goes: 2,4,6,20. So all you have to do is have 1 person healthy, which is extremely easy to do, and that 6% debuff is insignificant. I'd take a 6% debuff on gen speed than some other S tier perk instead.
As someone whose favorite killer is Legion, it's super nice to hear that some people can appreciate his type of gameplay! While it often brings a smile to my face, having two or more players complain that I somehow tunneled both at the same time makes me unsure of whether or not people just hate playing versus Legion, so this was helpful. Thanks!
Dont worry, there is atleast always 1 survivor, who will always complain when you killed him. I dont know why, but DBD has one of the most toxic playerbases (not League of Legends level but). And against good survivors legion isnt really strong, so most people like to play against him, because they can loop him very well. So dont worry, its specific people who hate to lose, not that people hate to play against legion (i mean there will always be some people but i think you get my point)
Most of the dbd community eats glue, dont mind it too much
I used to get mad hate because people sucked at unhooking vs huntress and kept sandbagging their team, like I wasn't supposed to use my power to punish mistakes in my line of sight lol, in my experience most people like that just have ego issues and get triggered by losing
My only question is why? They aren't fun or strong or have a cool design or anything else going for them so why do you main them lol😂 i main huntress, artist, plague and i have a reason to main them.
I think people just hate legion thanataphobia, understandably so it's unbelievably mundane to play against. At higher levels if people can drag out the chases to deny being injured it can be countered
I love hearing about your personal opinion versus a plain analysis on power
chat still gonna be like "hey otz whats your favorite killer to play?" 🤣
YES!!! I feel so vindicated as a Legion main, I feel like their power is so well designed!! They actually feel like the final Chapter 1 Boss in a game that tests all the basics you've learned so far, and is the gatekeeper between beginners and novice survivors. Like it specifically challenges the things most newer players intuitively gravitate towards, and it's specifically countered by and therefore teaches and encourages you to do things that are great principles against all killers:
- New survivors tend to stick with their teammates, it's scary to be all alone and you'd think there's strength in numbers. Legion specifically punishes survivors that group together by chaining together slashes against unique survivors, encouraging survivors to be brave and split up which is generally speaking good against all killers.
- Newer survivors feel compelled to hide when that Terror Radius gets loud, it's scary when it sounds like the Killer is nearby. Legion specifically punishes hiding survivors with the Killer Instinct revealing their position after slashing one survivor, and their Terror Radius gets bigger too so if you hide at the hint of a heartbeat you'll waste way too much time! This encourages survivors to be brave and not hide, and continue pressuring the objective! (I'd love to also say Legion's speed encourages survivors to not hold W and run away, but that's exactly what they're encouraged to do 😭😭😭)
- Newer survivors are anxious to get healed up as soon as they can, panicked by the noise they're making and how vulnerable they are while injured. Legion specifically punishes healing survivors with their ability to quickly injure and waste the time of healthy survivors, making healing too often a huge waste of time. This encourages survivors to be brave and realize staying injured is sometimes better than healing, and rely on their chasing skills to stay alive! (This is reinforced by Legion's difficulty with downing injured survivors, and it also tests survivors' skills in chase with the pressure from a smaller margin for error if they're always injured).
I feel like Legion is the perfect test for new survivors, and once passed, you begin to see how Legion really isn't that difficult to counter if you know what to do! As you get better (like Otz shared here), you even get to show off your skills and strategy against them! And the principles you learn from countering them are useful against most of the other killers too!
I could go on about how the Legion's power for the Killer's pov is also very well designed (and what criticisms I do have) and how it puts you right into the exhilarating shoes of Frank/Julie/Joey/Susie
This is too much. A whole 5 page essay wasn’t needed.
@@Preston-9118 let people enjoy things, yeesh.
it was a nice read.
@@Preston-9118girl you’re on otz’s yt channel. you can handle a 9 hour video and not a 2 min read? let that person talk their talk ab what they love or just skip if you’re not interested
@@Preston-9118 Why not? If you know how new players play and how to counter Legion then you could probably put it together from just the 1st paragraph. I know I could've been more succinct, I don't _expect_ anyone to read it all I'm not entitled to your time/attention. I was just expressing something I was excited about. What's wrong with that? :p
@@SGEnjoyer fr🙏 ty!! I'm glad it was nice =w=
Cool tierlist. Will gladly watch more of "fun" oriented content like quirky builds etc. : 3
I didnt expect you being an artist enjoyer ! Very cool video concept, it's refreshing compared to usual tierlists ❤
Heyyyyy legend, what are you doing here?
This new format is lowkey engaging and fun, keep it up Otz!
The Myers community (yes we somehow exist) will not forget this slander, we're 99'ing our tombstone rn
Otzdarva I'm 100 meters away with tombstone tier III and approaching quickly
As an Artist main and stan, I'm SO HAPPY you have fun playing as her and against her. I want more Artists because she's so unique and can do some really cool shots!
3:44 "Overcome the odds"
Me: and overcome the Otz as well as a killer!
Nice lists! Enjoyed the passion in explaining each killer and why you liked them!
I agree with you about facing legion really fun too go against, just not my fav when I have a solo queue team that has no idea how to counter him and just give up… also (legions need too use their mix tapes more cuz hearing those banging chase themes are amazing ngl)
As a legion main I'll be sure to honestly, any preference?
@@coletrainhetrick Susie’s mix tape with any of the other ones will do for me! But with franks is probably the best Joey isn’t too bad either but yeah, you don’t have too I know there not the strongest addons I just think there cool
@@Rambley_The_Raccoon8203 Susies with Julies also sounds good
I don't use mixtapes too often simply because Mischief List almost feels like a requirement.
Well there's that and the mixtapes themselves aren't all that great for the most part. Julie's Mixtape is situationally decent, but you can usually bait a pallet then vault over for a hit. Suzie's Mixtape is strange because it's like "I can see you but there's no chance my power lasts long enough to catch you". Frank's Mixtape can situationally be decent actually but you want to dedicate your entire build around it. Fuming Mixtape is pretty damn good! Then there's Joey's Mixtape, and to be honest... I don't even remember what it does since I just don't use it.
If BHVR ever makes Mischief List base kit then I'd be more open to using mixtapes but for now I'll stick to the more practical add-ons like the pins, rulers, Stab Would Study, Never Sleep Pills, Mischief List, the occasional Stolen Sketchbook, Filthy Blade, and Murals l.
Maybe I'll try out the mixtapes again here pretty soon but I don't expect them to be crazy effective.
dude might be just me but i love the thought of survivors just chilling and getting grabbed in a gen by ghostface. scaring people is so fun
I love seeing survivors grouped up for like heals or something and then marking one and watching them scatter like roaches, lol.
As a Legion main, it makes me really happy that at least someone enjoys playing against my boi
Joey main. Two things. First the weaker a player is the higher the chances they dislike going up against Legion. Legion is a noobstomper and if there was a way to rework this part of their identity that'd be sweet, but I don't see it without destroying them completely.
Secondly generally speaking I find it's how people play a killer matters a whole lot more rather then who they are. Like I've had some really nice Pinheads, Artists, Hags and Clowns. Killers I really hate going up against. Yet on the other end there are some real jerks who play Demogorgon, Huntress, Billy and Wesker. Killers who I would prefer going up against.
YOUR NOT ALONE
I haven't played in a while. But mending simulator is just boring.
Don't forget our girls J.S.! Was very happy too as an 84h Legion Main
@@Peachrocks5 its a killer for the noobs to stomp other noobs. playing against him as a swf is really easy, playing him in soloq makes the randos give him free kills.
The pyramid head was surprising for me. I love playing him and love the Silent Hill series a lot in general. But i can see your reasoning. As always, great video man:)
Yeah I expected Pyramid to be much higher in this tier list. But, uh, understandable v_v
Otz's 50 wins streak on pyramid inspired me to main him
Pyramid head love! I love playing him soooo much. Expression in zoning and shots, and the p-head-flicks being so satisfying to hit make this killer feel great to play. I enjoy playing hard killers, and P-head's one-frame flick timing, along with the complexity of his power definitely put him at my first spot. It's a shame Otz doesnt like him :/
You clearly haven't played him since the bug. He is unplayable@@Thea-Time-13th
@@Thea-Time-13ththis is coming from someone who's favorite killer used to be pyramid head
@@ewanmcc01 are you sure? He still feels good to me.
As someone whose #2 favorite killer to play is Pyramid Head (Behind Singularity) I was pretty surprised to see him dead last. Very interesting and fun to see such a difference.
I HATE singularly, lol. I just can't figure out how to use his damn power. I got so angry I couldn't get my mercilous achievment, I haven't played DBD since. 😢
Haha, Larry's got a merciless learning curve for sure! He immediately clicked for me, personally, as I've always wanted a control killer like that. Hope things work out for you if you plan on keeping at it as I think he's very rewarding! @@TeamLexana
@@TeamLexana just dont use hes power and you gonna get achievement LMAO
Otz I hope you know that the second I started using the prayer tablet strategy you made a video on it and got me hooked on it. It’s gotten me deep into Iridescent every season and I love the oppressiveness of it.
I agree with legion being fun to play against so much. That's why legion is one of my favorites to play, it's generally more fun for both sides rather than just "use ability and win."
I was looking for an update version of this tier list of yours last night, thanks for delivering so fast
I did not expect you loving going against Legion! You put nearly everything I love about Legion into words! I love interacting with every survivor one way or another, I like that I have to consider whether or not I want to commit to a chase or not after my power ends and not to mention the chase music and mixtapes! I love Legion and it was unexpected hearing that you enjoy going against them, that lowkey warmed my Frenzied heart! ❤️
Sadako main and I'm so happy to see her in a positive light in your list!! I absolutely love the mind games with her demanifest and her teleport map control is so much fun!!
While Legion is relatively weak, I adore playing as them since theres simply so many different builds you can use on them. So many mediocre or outright bad perks work amazingly on Legion. And they have fun and interesting add-ons like the BFFs Necklace which makes you fast in the endgame, or the ruler that makes your lunges in power longer. They also have enough cosmetic variation that you get the same sort of freedom as survivors, being able to make a look your own, which is nice.
12:07 and it was with one moment that the OtzDynasty fell…or so it would seem. Those without an understanding of his ways left in droves, entirely missing the subtlest of chess like plays he had made. By mentioning Legion was his favorite, Otz had all but ensured they’d get a rework, freeing his people from the oppressive “mendulator” that was a Legion game. They’d travel far and wide to thank him, only to find him already working one yet another selfless task as DBD’s savior
Pyramid Head was GOATed when DS was meta.
I'm glad to see slinger up there in fun to play against! Going against a really good slinger is terrifyingly fun in my opinion!
To add onto that Skull Merchant discussion at the end, a lot of people have ignored a major effect thats going to come from her. Even after a rework that makes her more fun to play as, and against her, people still DC in droves. You never have a match with Skull Merchant where theres no disconnect. People online "discussing" her only ever just say to remove her, not rework just get rid of entirely. The message its gonna send to BHVR is "dont bother fixing whats broken, just move on and make new stuff". Like, we've all seen people argue for BHVR slowing down new content and making what they already have better, and fixing issues that have been there for a long time. However, with how people react so negatively to reworking Skull Merchant and Sadako, killers that need changes due to their problematic gameplay aspects, the message being sent to the devs is just "ignore the problem and move on, dont bother wasting time on fixing whats broken."
This aged well.
Fun seeing you have legion on top! They're also my favorite to go against. Lots of my friends don't like playing them
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Haha hilarious and original
"At least that's what they used to call us in the old country"
Friends this. Otz hello is,
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Come to think of it I actually enjoy playing against legion. Everyone complains about having to mend but that's really the only bad thing about the experience. Every point you made was spot on!
Love seeing my boi Frank up top of the fun vs pyramid. I find them so much fun to play as, despite being low tier, because Legion's kit enables such a huge variety of builds and perks that don't work very well elsewhere, and their variety of addons is such an excellent example of how to design options that are interesting and meaningful without fundamentally changing how the killer uses their power. Survivors DCing against them are just scrubs terrified of the piss bar.
its always good coming back to DBD and having you come back in my feeed after i took a break
I am SO HAPPY YOU LOVE LEGION PLAYERS! I hate the stereotype that we are just a deep wound simulator…
Well it's true. That is what the power does.
FR!!! I felt so vindicated omg 😭
It’s so annoying and boring to go against
if its frank or joe i am ok with that but if its the other too i dont..dont know why but i love franky
Most people hate it bcs of the mending or bcs they can’t loop very well. While the mending can be boring, Legion is M1 killer with no anti-loop that actually has to mindgame and interact with the game itself. Chaining hits is also not that easy if the survivors are decent/map is big.
Otz is crazy with his Myers hatred and Legion love, crazy. The rest is fine those two are nuts.
Oni Is my main
And it was surprising that he isn’t even in Top 10
but i remembered how map depended he is
sometimes he takes too much time to get his power active but when you do great play with him he’s really fun , Like Top 5 Fun Killers
Is he still bugged?
Juking Victor and seeing him bounce away because he missed you is so funny 😂
*As Artist Main, I completely approve this video 👍*
You p100 artist?
@@accjr4241 60 only.
As a ghostface main I feel neutral about this video
As someone who doesn’t main but plays Michael more than most I’m just a little sad but I knew it was coming
@@accjr4241 RUclips deleted my comment wtf (I said 60 only)
@@Ikai6969 why? you banned?
Kinda sad to see singularity a bit lower, but I guess it's natural. I am a singularity main after all lol
If you want to get better watch some games of cocolatte it's crazy what he does with him, I don't want to advertise other streamers here but I think otz is anyway the most successful so I think he doesent bother
Make Soma photo basekit already for goodness sake.
@@munakay6914 I actually do watch cocolatte, he's the reason I don't lose 80% of my matches nowadays
I started the video before sleeping and saw your top 3 picks. I asked myself, who're my favorite killers? Well it was Nemesis and now it's Xenomorph so them 2. Open the video this morning and it's so satisfying to see you agree OTZ!
Man if they just smooth out a lot of the clunkier parts of Pyramid Head he would feel so fun to play and be a lot more approachable. His kit is so interesting, but with his camera issues, controls, etc, it’s so hard to not feel too limited.
My biggest issue with PH is that his barbwire blast thing doesn't inflict Torment. Maybe you could make it so it only inflicts if you hit the survivor with a basic attack first, for balancing, but he just feels to clunky to me.
Hello Otz, this is the lizard people we love your content
They need to do research into the player psychology behind skull merchant. I dont think i've ever seen a game where the whole community seems to revile a single character as much as Skull Merchant. I wasn't really surprised in the first few months, I'm no stranger to controversey in gaming, but the fact that players STILL DC on sight with her is so crazy.
I recommend checking out Magic: The Gathering. Especially the events of Eldrazi Winter, or the infamous Urza's Saga induced (the set, not the card) Combo Winter.
It's mostly just a meme. People DC against Skull Merchant because they've been told "SM bad," and they would rather go along with it than actually give the game a chance. I've seen new players DC against her who literally have never once played a real game against her, just because they've been fed horror stories by Reddit or their favourite content creators. Which is a shame, because honestly, I've had some genuinely exciting and fun games both as and against her.
It's quite simple. When she came out she was absolutely atrociously designed in every conceivable way. Since then despite many changes she's still absolutely atrociously designed and many people (including myself) belive that there's zero redeeming qualities in any part of her.
Great video! Didn’t know you played DBD glad you like the game as much as i do :)
Pyramid head :(
Had awful day, but eating some good food while watching your vids made it slightly better. Thanks Otzie.
Hearing "depressing killer with almost no redeeming qualities" definitely hurt me as a PH one-trick. It's not true! His addons are horrible, but you just have to play him right to have fun with him. Hitting an m2 with PH is probably the most satisfying feeling in all of DBD.
Words cannot express how happy I am, as a Legion main, to see where you put them. My goal as a Killer main is always to challenge the survivors and give them a good experience.
why do I enjoy tierlists so much
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As a legion main I appreciate you giving us props for having a killer that is forgiving.. i mean look at what legion could’ve been (aka chucky).. but unlike Crackdoll we cant down you right after we jump a pallet.
I will be viewing the fact that Pyramid Head is your least favorite killer to play as a personal attack and will be writing a twitlonger
Completely agree with you on playing against Legion, it's so much fun. And his power allows for a fun different chase experience.
otz is the best dbd youtuber
Thanks for doing all the videos you make. Alot of us really appreciate it 🎉
11:46 voice crack
He cares a lot about pyramid head
A new Otz video is always a good way to spend time
Definitely a lizard
As a Legion Main, it's so, so incredibly nice to be appreciated. Thanks Otz 🥰
Love you Otz!
Un abrazo, Julio!
Nurse, Cenobite, Wesker to play against for me. I absolutely love the thinking required to best Nurse/Ceno, and you're totally right. Wesker is the poster child of a fun chase killer!
killer mains unite
This is my favorite type of list because it's so interesting what peaks your interest. For me, literally all I care about is the chase music lmao. Myers, Wesker, Freddy (lullaby) are my favorite to go against specifically due to the music lol
I don’t know why people take his opinion so serious, the takes he has are really awful most of the time
And I'm sure irvingrod is better
An Otz tier list under 2 hours. His best world record speed run, well done.🎉
Love how your videos always makes my day better ❤ thanks for being you!
One of the most satisfying things in DbD is getting a cheeky tentacle strike on a survivor's ankle
For sadako if you're not found by her right away, get her tape as soon as it's on. It's highlighted for you and blocks her from teleporting. It's true your teammates has to have the knowledge as well to grab tapes and deny her teleport. She's a pub stomping killer that destroy survivors on the most levels of MMR. Her chase powers even with the buffs she got for her kit in the recent hotfix and not being stunned while demanifested is still weaker then most killers in game. Her mind game with the newspaper and watch is fun to guess where she can be. Not to mention it takes 1 second to deposit a tape. I enjoy to face her personally, as well when your teammates are decent on top. But I can understand not many people know how to face her. Maybe a up to date guide from the onryo mains would help make it easier for pubs when they face her. Great video
Oh nice! I've been waiting for an updated version of this
Nice to see this type of list make a comback :D
@9:31 Funny little add-ons HAHA GO BRRRRRR
As a Legion and Plague main I approve of this message.
lets goooo another vid from my favourite creator and dbd specialist haha, thanks for the awesome content :D
"After they nerfed him" Otz also took the PH ass nerf personally too
Its always a good day when you see a new otz video
As a Legion main, I'm glad to know that my endless suffering in the quest for Frenzy downs brings the survivors who utterly destroy me enjoyment XD
Otz: "Never go down next to basement against a Trapper."
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I loved this video. It's cool to just shoot the breeze from time to time.
One thing different between me and him is I LOVE going against stealth killers.
Hey Otz, please can you do a short video explaining the updated skull merchant, how her drones work, and more importantly how to play against her as survivor. Id love to know and might help with the DC's! Thankyou
There are some videos out there to provide some information on what you are looking for. Pixel's guide explains her power, how to play as her and face her, and shows some cheeky tricks in her kit. Then there is Jane Romaro, who's guide is a tad old, but is still good.
For me personally, as a solo queu exlusive, i would change a few placements, and here is why.
Wesker- he is very fun to go against, even against the occassional hug tech pro. BUT, even to this day, he is such a popular killer that I would bump him down a tier or two simply because of overexposure.
Legion- you are correct that you do have more options against him, but so many survivors choose to immediately full mend or consistently priotize a heal over a gen and gens just simply never get done. At least in the solo queu world. He gets brought down a tier or two for this. Otherwise, yes, tense but not oppressive.
Wraith- so many people are surprisingly bad at countering him and hes actually a quite competant killer if used correctly. So kind of a solo queu stomper if you have a weak link. Otherwise your placement i agree with
Trapper- bring him up simply because ive had so many goofy friendly encounters with him and hes my OG main.
Twins- i *would* enjoy facing them but it seems the dominant strat has become to just slug absolutely all the time. Most unfun strat in the game and on an already rare killer just makes me feel like we are either going to shit on them or be bled out at 5 gens. Otherwise i actually think they're kinda fun to go against
Nurse- just wanted to say that shes become so rare that even with how oppressive she can be its actually a nice change of pace to face her. Even if we get shit on
Otherwise prefect tier list
Nothing is as satesfying as hitting huntress crossmaps and orbitals S tier killer for me
u forgot to add the fact that going against legion
*HE HAS THAT BANGER OF CHASE MUSIC* AND AUTOMATICALLY BUMPS HIM UP THERE
The pyramid head is too true, I started playing when he was added and I remember how great he felt to play despite some bugs.
Because survivors complained about the power we got a clunky mess instead who feels awful to play.
I'd love to see a follow-up video analyzing this video to see what aspects the killers at the top of both tier lists share
Literally been having the most fun playing the nurse ngl
So many of my "hot takes" feel so validated right now, wasn't expecting my list to line up so much with this one
An Otz as killer would be a major up!!!!!
Finally! Maybe Otz will make players understand that its fun to play vs legion and you can counter them in many ways. Its actually a test of skill and creativity for survivors, no wonder so many survivors complain about legion XD
I only like Freddy with one specific build, it uses Pill Bottle, Red Paintbrush, and Face the Darkness. Face the Darkness works great on Freddy as anyone sleeping will scream no matter the distance from him, and Paint Brush not only lets you get great early game pressure from that, but also lets you keep survivors asleep a little easier to get the most out of it. Pill bottle just makes you invisible when carrying which is solely to feel like the good ol days. I call it the old Freddy build because with pill bottle and the really great tracking on sleeping survivors, you really feel like the old dream demon Freddy who made people sleeping feel vulnerable.
In other words it's the tier list of 4illers at which he doesn't suck the most.
As you can see the higher the tier list - the easier to play 4iller there is lol