That guy bringing you that truck twice shows that he really has trust in you. He knows you can save that truck. The fact that you got the job done proves him right. That’s the biggest take away for me. Great work!
I just welded mine with steel from a 1940's Packard frame that has spent it's entire life in NYS winter's, my f350 is a 91, and was almost completely disintegrated. The frame from the ancient Packard truck looked nearly flawless after all those winters, on top of that had spent it's retirement as a farm trailer, then I found it in a field and drug it home. Blows my mind how fast the newer trucks just crumble, the old ones last an eternity, I'm considering replacing most all my frame with that ancient Packard steel.🤷 Thank you for the content 🙏
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I was debating on buying those Dorman frame repair sleeves for my 2005 F-150 STX. You helped me tremendously in making the decision to get them and have them welded in. If your customer gets any future fixes done on that truck, please make videos. You did a great job on this video. Keep up the good work.
I have them same lime green sleeves...still have to put them on. I'm all set as far as welding goes, I'm going to do it, right behind the sleeve going towards the tail lights l have a broken bracket like maybe for balance of bed (don't really know much about auto's of any sort) well is there a replacement or should I just make it up as, l go...thanks...✌
@@jimmygensler8715 I’m not sure if they make a replacement piece or not. Anytime they do it’s usually a big time saver over fabing up your own. Fabing up your own is always an option though. It can be as simple as several small pieces of plate put together to patch a bad area. I will definitely shoot more videos on frame repair as those projects come up.
How about everyone on here saying it's a shadetree job get your asses on here and show us how it's done...This gentleman took his time to film a segment for a temporary to intermediate fix per the customer...Go finish it if you don't like it...Thanks for the video sir and ignore the bitter jockstraps!!!
Thanks Denny! It doesn’t bother me much. It’s easy to say someone is doing it wrong, or making the wrong decision when you aren’t faced with the financial burden of a major repair job. If you don’t like it, do it whenever way you want. Doesn’t bother me one bit. Thanks for watching Denny!!
Excellent job so far. I think a metal fabricator can take a few more hours and patch up that weak spot that you showed us after you finished with the two long frames pieces. All in all, you made the truck a lot stronger than it was before you started on it. Good job bro.👌
Great job 👍🏻. We did the same basic thing to 2002 Jeep Wrangler sport ,took “a month of Sunday’s” but the results were worth it 4 years later still looks structurally sound !
I’m glad I found this video! My truck has a similar issue. There’s one nasty spot next to one spring hanger (farther back from the patch panels). The rest of the frame looks decent. Unfortunately my tank will need to come out. I’m just north of you in the cities. Too bad you aren’t closer. If I can’t find someone in town, I’ll hit ya up 👍🏻.
I recently bought an F150 and the frame is similar. I came to RUclips for research purposes . I found these frame rail repair kit. The truck is worth saving . So it looks like I’ll be finding out first hand . I hope all goes well…
I’d say the parts will be around $500.00 Dorman part # RNB-999-997. Luckily my father owns a garage (business) we have a lift as well as welders etc. so I’ll save as far as labor. Im not sure what a place would/should charge for something like that.
I've got an 05' F-150 xlt supercrew cab 5.4L 3v, 79k miles....i thought i had enough problems trying to fix timing...I've got a slap, only thing reading on diagnostic is VVT solenoids...so i bought Motorcraft...truck has been sitting for 2 years in a part of my driveway that collects a few inches of water when it rains...my 16yr old daughter wants the truck...im scared to look after i seen your video...lol New Sub! Looks you went above and beyond for the customer...and did a great job...a would gamble and say you have decades under a hood...I grew up in a big garage with any tool i needed because my father and grandfather were both diesel mechanics by trade....my father had 2 very bad strokes, and has dementia now and lives in a rest home....we had planned in moving to Myrtle Beach SC, from Kentucky when he retired with the whole family...they were about to close on a beautiful property with 3 garages, where we were to build that hotrod we had talked about since i was a kid, spending late nights at the garage getting cars finished....he had 55 and 57 he sold when i was very young...i had a 79 monte carlo we played around with when i was a teenager....but we hadn't picked a chasis....but sadly he had a stroke 2 months before retirement and one a year to the day a second stroke that debilitated him...the 05 truck I'm fixing was his, when they took his license, he gave me the truck....and i wouldn't sell it for all the tea in China, i sure miss not having a garage just to pull in, with air lines a roll around for metric, and a roll aroundfor standard, didn't have a lift though, they worked on alot of busses, and big floor jacks, and big ol jack stands, i couldn't tell you how many pizzas i ate with my father working late at the garage in the 80's, id love to wash my hands again with that old GoJo hand cleaner, and get cleaned up and eat pizza with my father again,.. But, im real scared to look under it now...😬✌️
Thanks for posting your story!! I hope yours does not turn out to have a rusty frame. This generation of F150 is not turning out to be a good one, as you know first-hand. It's unfortunate because when they are working they are great trucks. Hope you have many more years of life left in yours! Thanks for watching!
I religiously washed the undercarriage of my 2005, I kept it until 2019 and the frame was mint. I now have a 2016 and discovered fluid film and also lightly wash the undercarriage whenever possible during the winter.
I have had to make my own weldable plates but I sprayed all the rust with this product that turns rust back to metal first. Then I did all the welding and after that sprayed everything inside and out with undercoating. This was 5 yrs ago and I sold the truck last year and the guy that bought it is using it to haul hay rolls to peoples cattle ranchs and he knew about the frame but still says he has had no issues out of it at all. He has also stated that no rust has come back at all. I think the rust converter was a very good idea and would recommend that that part of the process to be added to any rust repair. This is the product that I used for this Rust-Oleum Rust Reformer Spray Black. I got it from amazon which was the cheapest place to get it. I liked it so much I have started using it on every car or truck I buy just to prevent rust from starting. Its that good and no I do nit have an Amazon store lol
Most important part didn’t get fixed the frame above the rear ended where the spring hangers are. Also it’s better to unbolt the spring hangers and plater underneath instead of sitting out around them. The thing is if you don’t bolt thru the new metal it makes the old rusty stuff even weaker because the plates frame is rigid and stiff them the thi factory frame is super week where the two meet is going to be weekest point. But you did a good job and did what the customer asked. Good job buddy
1st thing to do to fix this truck lift the body off , get a used rust free frame and st the body back down the old frame had to much rust through all over looked like Swiss cheese more than metal
aw man! about half as bad as my 2004 colorado. I wish Dorman made the repair kits for my frame. I've been using 3/16" x 2" angle steel to bound the bottom part of the frame in the same manner as this kit. it's going well overall. that lift is cheating! it's tough weling and griding laying on your back. hats off to industrial welders who do that for a living
My 05 F-150 was like that to, I thought about doing this but I had the 5.4 3V, the motor went before I could fix the frame so I got rid of it for a 2020 F-150, think I’m going to send it out and have the Frame coated soon.
I bought an 84 GMC High Sierra long box over the summer and was told the frame is thin. Its not cracked or rotted, pretty rusty but thin in some places. Mech said a welder might be able to do some "boxing" on it specifically from the back of the cab to the end of the truck. The front is good though. Is boxing a pretty common thing to do? I'm hoping to save this truck because other than the weak frame, the rest of the truck is indecent shape.
@@movieguy1985 boxing is not a bad idea, but I would recommend taking it to a welder and simply asking them what they would recommend. Every welder will approach it slightly differently and ultimately the goal is to simply reinforce it. Choose a good welder and let them do their thing.
Thanks for vid. I think the dealer is doin this to my f150 after the turn signal cable rubbing the rusty frame rail. It was doin some crazy stuff after unhooking a trailer I towed-turn signal canceled out the cruise control? LoL. We thought it was the trailer light connector, but it wasn't apparently.
Hello, I am impressed at your work in repairing the frame on that truck. I have the same issue with my 05 f150 I have 81000 miles on my truck and I kept it well maintained. The body and interior are awesome I just didn't realize that the frame and when I saw your video and went to check my truck frame it was in the same condition. I just wanted to now what was the fee you charged on the repair and was the parts you used included in the repair. also what type of garages or auto repair shops do you think would do this kind of work. Thank you , any info would be greatly appreciated.
I live in in Minnesota and I got a Toyota sequioa 2003 with some rust. There are few areas that concern me. Could I send you a pictures of the areas and could you please Quote me a price? Thank you
I have a Ford F150 that is worse than the one in the video. There should be a class action suit regarding the frame. I wonder if the metal can be analyzed to tell why it failed?
IMHO it’s a design flaw. The fully boxed frame traps dirt and moisture inside and, like any steel, it will just rust away. If they had done something to prevent the rust better it may have helped, but they didn’t do enough. Other trucks also have a boxed frame and don’t have this issue. Although Toyota also has this issue.
I love your video, it really helped understand what wron with my 08 Ford 150 Lariat rusted froame rails exactly like what you did to fix thatguys truck. I just am having a lot of problems finding someone around Seattle that can do what you do. Any suggestions? Thanks Robert from Bothell Wa
Hey Robert, glad it was helpful!! Unfortunately I hear from a lot of people that are in the same situation. It's hard to find shops that will make this kind of repair. I think part of it is because it's somewhat of a bandaid fix. Although it's much better than when it arrived, it's still not as good as replacing the frame, and the rust will get the best of it eventually. The people this repair is good for are those who do not haul heavy loads, or tow big trailers and pretty much just use the trucks as people haulers. It's a good way to get several more years out of a truck that should otherwise go to the salvage yard, for a cost that's reasonable, in comparison to frame replacement.
No plug welds. I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt, but it’s still going strong. Tamper? I haven’t heard of a law prohibiting repair of a frame. I haven’t even heard of a law prohibiting modification of a frame. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but I worked at a commercial truck shop when I shot this video and it was normal for us to “tamper” with the frames on every truck we mounted a body on. As someone who repairs vehicles, “run it till it breaks” is a bad idea. I know that because many people try that and have much bigger issues to deal with.
how much would something like this cost? I have a smaller hole and a bit of a line near the gas tank in my 2010 chevy. also i noticed the two holes, how long do you think a truck could last with that strickly the frame? 1 year? 3? 5? 10?
No! Anybody that tells you this is a good long term solution is lying to you. Don’t listen to them! This is a bandaid fix to an otherwise good truck that will not be doing any major work like towing or hauling heavy loads.
Nice work, but considering the extent of the rust on this frame, I think it should have just been scrapped. Had the repair pieces covers the only rust, fine, but there is so much more.
I don’t disagree with that. I took it as far as he wanted me to but there is no doubt it’s not as good as a new frame. It’s also a lot better than when it arrived. That 5.4 will die before the frame folds I half?? :) Thanks for watching!
@@bennieaust Yes, I agree. Tough times, crappy frames. I have a customers 06 Ford here now with problems, too me these boxed frames suck. We didn’t see as much issues when they were open. Thanks for the video, shows a good solution for some situations.
typically how much is a job like this if you don't mind me asking I'm looking at a truck perfect condition literally no rust anywear or wear looking anywhere but frame
I have a 2004 Ford F150 FX4 and the chassis is rotted and cracked all over the place my mechanic told me. I live on Long Island so my truck won’t pass inspection for state of New york. not really sure what to do here. mechanic told me maybe look for a welder to fix it, not really sure what that entails. Any information on how I could proceed to fix this issue is greatly appreciated. thank you.
So let me ask you this because my father is looking into gifting me an 2005 f150 in otherwise great condition except the rotted undercarriage or frame. When i looked up on google said could be anywhere from 1000 to 3000 dollars to fix and if thats true i feel like thats totally worth seeing that everything else on this truck is really taken care of. Do you think its worth it to fix in that situation and is that pricing right you think? We got tge truck for 500 because my dad gets great deals at his work.
Personally I would never buy one that had this issue. The repair I did in the video made the truck much better and safer, but it’s never going to be as good as a new frame or a truck that never had a rusted frame. This is more of a fix for someone who is in a tight spot with a truck they own, not a reason to buy one that needs to be fixed. If the truck you bought is otherwise really nice I would suggest getting the frame replaced. Then you will truly have a great truck.
What was the approximate labor time and cost for this? I hear of ALOT of these F150 trucks having this issue. Is it bad engineering or what? Don't they use preservation coatings from the factory during production. Makes no sense as to why the frames rot so easily while mostly everything else looks decent.
Every shop will be different and every truck will be slightly different. This guy spent about $1500 parts and labor on this job. It’s not as good as a new frame, but much better than when it arrived. I think it is an engineering mistake. This should not be happening to so many of these. They should have been able to engineer it for better longevity.
Hello I just purvhased these from your link for my Ford truck. I went to an alignment shop for a estimate to do what you did. They quoted about $2000 for the labor. Is that a fair price ? Thanks
$2000 seems like a fair price. A lot of people are having a hard time finding a shop that will install them. If you found a shop that will do it for $2000 I’d jump on it!
Trying to find a local person in Iowa to do this exact repair to my 2008 Super Crew long bed. Seems the long bed (65') repair kits seem to not common. SB kit the same?
I got same exact truck and I just got done doing mine. The front drivers side leaf spring mount broke right off the frame. I couldn’t find mt. anywhere so I ended up making one. I made one for passenger side too even tho it didn’t look too bad an was still holding. I just figured I’d make sure it was good so I didn’t have to deal with doing it again later if it did get bad. I ended up having to repair most of the frame from transmission cross member all the way back. And the two cross members above gas tank. It was a lot a work but I think worth it. Truck is still in great shape, just frame rusted to shit on it.
I have used hydraulic oil for years , I don't like the coating of anything were water can get trapped oil will find every little nook , yes you have to do it every year but it works
Do you know how this held up? It must’ve snapped eventually? They say vertical welds weakens the structural integrity the most bc of how it weakens the metal at its most demanding angle. What size rod did you use?
I have fairly low expectations for this truck, but not nearly as low as yours. Lol, it has not snapped, it’s doing fine. I used a MIG welder with .035” wire.
@@KollynJwhen people asking about making the repair I recommend to them that if they don’t plan on hauling heavy load and towing heavy trailers they will be fine. If it’s basically a people hauler then your truck is a good candidate. I’m maybe being a bit conservative, but I don’t want anyone taking any chances.
It’s always a tough call. One of the big variables is what’s out there for used vehicles. If you come across a good deal on something else than it can sway you decision. Rust is a losing battle. Even after a repair like this there is still more rust on other parts of the frame. It buys it a few more years but the rust will win in the end anyways. :(
There were still other questionable areas on the frame so I would be leery of lifting with a 2 post lift on this truck. I would be less worried about towing, but wouldn't try to tow anywhere near max capacity. Every truck would have to be evaluated individually on these things. The Dorman parts worked great and it's much better than when it came over but nowhere near as good as it was when new.
@@briizcustoms9543 every truck has to be individually evaluated. In the extremely bad cases, this repair is the difference between sending the truck to the junk yard, or being able to continue to use it as transportation. On the better cases, when it saved before it’s to bad, the truck can absolutely be used as the truck it’s supposed to be.
I had a 2000 Chevy Silverado with a rusty frame and it collapsed in front of the rear wheels at 296k. Ravaged it for parts that could swap onto my 2004 and sold the rest for cheap.
Hey Lesley, You can either disconnect the negative battery cable, or use a device like this: www.amazon.com/Dent-Fix-DF-601-Surge-Protector/dp/B002XMS0KU/ref=asc_df_B002XMS0KU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309750549985&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6979250700272117712&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019869&hvtargid=pla-760191242152&psc=1
I haven’t witnessed the same issues on the GMT800. I have repaired rear shock mounts and the rear crossmember they mount on. Lots and lots of rotted out brake lines on those things though. Did I say lots?
What is a fair price to have someone do this needing it done on my 2006 f150. Mine looks almost identical to the truck in this video. Wish ford would have put more holes in the bottom so they didn’t hold so much moisture!
I get asked this question a lot and it’s very hard to answer because every truck is different. I never can be certain until I start working on one how bad it actually is. The rust issues can be significant worse than it initially appears. In fact it pretty much always is worse than it appears. It can take many extra hours to address addition issues. This particular truck the owner spent about $1500 on the repair IIRC.
They definitely should have done something different! This one is bad but it wasn’t flexing when you jump on the bumper. I’ve seen much worse since then. :(
i wouldve liked to see the original frame rust treated, at least a rust stopping paint, but overall that's a solid repair, didn't even know they made sleeves like this
The goal is that the Fluid Film will help prevent further corrosion on the existing and new metal. I don’t believe that’s entirely possible though. These sleeve Dorman makes really makes it a much easier job. Anything beyond this and you should definitely consider frame replacement IMHO. Thanks for watching!
@@slimsqde7397 I’m not surprised, these trucks are notorious for it. :( I’ve got links in the description for the Dorman parts and the other supplies I used.
@@bennieaust yea ive seen that since looking into it. luckily this truck is only rusted on the driver side frame rail and everything else is basically rust free. also i found the links, much apreciated!
It can vary greatly depending on exactly how bad the truck is, and what shop you take it to. The best thing to do is just contact local shops and see if they can give you a quote.
Only Tacking? At that point I'd just put in a little more time and fully weld it. We don't have inspections here, so I don't know. Way more likely to pass after the repair then before!
I am not sure this would pass NYS inspection. It still is compromised by the suspension attachment point. Maybe with some more work. May be ready for the junkyard here :lol:
Where did get those form bc I just bought a f150 looks just like this on the video and the frame has couple of holes in and I want bye these what you used to fix it
Shops are all a little different and each truck is also a little different in how bad and how much labor is required. I would expect a minimum of $1500-$2000.
That rubberized undercoating, just gonna make it worse. If you wanna coat it with something that won't continue to rust underneath it, and don't want it to wash off, like lanolin, use black cosmoline rp342.
@@bennieaust is there a way to me to reach out to you? I'm just across the WI boarder..would be curious to talk more about you working on my frame if you'd be interested?
How much does it cost for this job? What do you recommend to use to remove the corrosion rust (crimped cup, twist wire cup, twist wire wheel, etc.)? How many do I need to remove the rust on the 2000 Toyota Tundra frame (so I can order the right quantity online)? I know it depends on many factors, just give me a rough estimate? Thanks.
I had about 18 hours in to this one. Plus the relatively low cost of the Dorman parts and the Fluid Film and undercoating. Cost really depends on the local shop you choose. I've sure it varies greatly. I used a flap disc (one was all I needed) to clean off the areas I needed to weld on. A hammer is actually my choice to knock all the big stuff off that's no longer doing anything. The way I approached this job was not to remove all rust and try to seal, but rather soak it with fluid film to stop it from spreading. I don't think it would be possible to truly remove all rust and get it sealed and permanently stopped.
Just wanted to ask the what it cost this guy? I thought about doing this to my 2006 fx4 w- 282k on it. I found a guy near me that said he would weld it for$600. I thought, cool let's do it. But I had to remove the bed. After breaking 2 torx bits and pikes of trust on the ground from hammering the books, noticing for rust and mount rust, I decided it's not worth it. I've had the truck from 30k miles and the interior was still very nice. I just decided it's not worth the time or money. But great video any way!
Is cost around $1,500. When you get in to repairs like this, they are all different so I'm somewhat hesitant to post that. But that is about where this one ended up at.
That guy bringing you that truck twice shows that he really has trust in you. He knows you can save that truck. The fact that you got the job done proves him right. That’s the biggest take away for me. Great work!
Thanks Dan! And thanks for watching!
Those work
Mine is bad near the rear front leafspring shackles
Where are you located?
How much did you charge?
I just welded mine with steel from a 1940's Packard frame that has spent it's entire life in NYS winter's, my f350 is a 91, and was almost completely disintegrated. The frame from the ancient Packard truck looked nearly flawless after all those winters, on top of that had spent it's retirement as a farm trailer, then I found it in a field and drug it home. Blows my mind how fast the newer trucks just crumble, the old ones last an eternity, I'm considering replacing most all my frame with that ancient Packard steel.🤷
Thank you for the content 🙏
That’s crazy!
Thanks for watching and your welcome!
I wonder if the bed can fly off while driving?
Because mine is broken and still driving it
That was better pre radioactive steel
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I was debating on buying those Dorman frame repair sleeves for my 2005 F-150 STX. You helped me tremendously in making the decision to get them and have them welded in. If your customer gets any future fixes done on that truck, please make videos. You did a great job on this video. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! I appreciate the kind words!
Do more on the videos on frame repair, do to rust in other areas...
I have them same lime green sleeves...still have to put them on.
I'm all set as far as welding goes, I'm going to do it, right behind the sleeve going towards the tail lights l have a broken bracket like maybe for balance of bed (don't really know much about auto's of any sort) well is there a replacement or should I just make it up as, l go...thanks...✌
@@jimmygensler8715 I’m not sure if they make a replacement piece or not. Anytime they do it’s usually a big time saver over fabing up your own. Fabing up your own is always an option though. It can be as simple as several small pieces of plate put together to patch a bad area.
I will definitely shoot more videos on frame repair as those projects come up.
Yeah I agree. Thanks , I'm dealing with the same thing at the moment not nearly as bad rust though. Just a little on the driver's side mid section.
For the price of new trucks --it’s well worth the effort to repair! Excellent work 👍
Thanks, I totally agree. Even used truck prices are crazy these days.
How about everyone on here saying it's a shadetree job get your asses on here and show us how it's done...This gentleman took his time to film a segment for a temporary to intermediate fix per the customer...Go finish it if you don't like it...Thanks for the video sir and ignore the bitter jockstraps!!!
Thanks Denny! It doesn’t bother me much. It’s easy to say someone is doing it wrong, or making the wrong decision when you aren’t faced with the financial burden of a major repair job.
If you don’t like it, do it whenever way you want. Doesn’t bother me one bit.
Thanks for watching Denny!!
Great job and video sir.
I'm n the same boat with a 2008 f150.
It's a money pit but she's all I have.
Respect from Burlington Ontario Canada
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Hope you win the battle and keep the 2008 on the road for many more miles!!
Excellent job so far. I think a metal fabricator can take a few more hours and patch up that weak spot that you showed us after you finished with the two long frames pieces. All in all, you made the truck a lot stronger than it was before you started on it. Good job bro.👌
Thanks Dex!
Great job 👍🏻. We did the same basic thing to 2002 Jeep Wrangler sport ,took “a month of Sunday’s” but the results were worth it 4 years later still looks structurally sound !
Thanks! I haven't repaired a wrangler but they are pretty common for frame rust as well. Glad to here your's is holding up well!
I’m glad I found this video! My truck has a similar issue. There’s one nasty spot next to one spring hanger (farther back from the patch panels). The rest of the frame looks decent. Unfortunately my tank will need to come out.
I’m just north of you in the cities. Too bad you aren’t closer. If I can’t find someone in town, I’ll hit ya up 👍🏻.
Sounds good Mike! Best of luck with the project!
the rubber undercoating locks moisture in and rusts the vehicle faster
Looks 100 percent to me,amazing patience working with rot.
It’s much better than when it arrived. Definitely not as good as a new frame, but a big improvement.
Thanks for watching!
I recently bought an F150 and the frame is similar. I came to RUclips for research purposes . I found these frame rail repair kit. The truck is worth saving . So it looks like I’ll be finding out first hand . I hope all goes well…
Best of luck with the repair!
Any ideas on the total cost ?
I’d say the parts will be around $500.00 Dorman part # RNB-999-997. Luckily my father owns a garage (business) we have a lift as well as welders etc. so I’ll save as far as labor. Im not sure what a place would/should charge for something like that.
I've got a 04 ford f150 like that I'm lucky my frame is perfect but I keep it washed good and painted. You did a awesome job buddy
Thanks! Glad you have a good one. Sounds like you are the reason you have a good one!!
I've got an 04 in great shape except for cam phasers making noises but the frame is in great shape.
@@Anthony-kn8cn if the frame doesn’t get you those cam phasers will!
Glad to hear you have a solid frame!!
@@bennieaust yes sir that and the roller followers are what definitely goes wrong with the 04 to 08 model's
Wonder how much longer the frame would have lasted if the previous owners oil sprayed. Losing battle with rust?
I’m sure it would have held up much longer, but you’re correct, it’s a loosing battle with rust. :(
If you use a product like fluid film from brand new, every year, in 20 years. It will look better than a 20 year old southern vehicle.
I wonder if pouring used motor oil into the frame would have protected the frame. It seems like it rusted from the inside.
I've got an 05' F-150 xlt supercrew cab 5.4L 3v, 79k miles....i thought i had enough problems trying to fix timing...I've got a slap, only thing reading on diagnostic is VVT solenoids...so i bought Motorcraft...truck has been sitting for 2 years in a part of my driveway that collects a few inches of water when it rains...my 16yr old daughter wants the truck...im scared to look after i seen your video...lol
New Sub! Looks you went above and beyond for the customer...and did a great job...a would gamble and say you have decades under a hood...I grew up in a big garage with any tool i needed because my father and grandfather were both diesel mechanics by trade....my father had 2 very bad strokes, and has dementia now and lives in a rest home....we had planned in moving to Myrtle Beach SC, from Kentucky when he retired with the whole family...they were about to close on a beautiful property with 3 garages, where we were to build that hotrod we had talked about since i was a kid, spending late nights at the garage getting cars finished....he had 55 and 57 he sold when i was very young...i had a 79 monte carlo we played around with when i was a teenager....but we hadn't picked a chasis....but sadly he had a stroke 2 months before retirement and one a year to the day a second stroke that debilitated him...the 05 truck I'm fixing was his, when they took his license, he gave me the truck....and i wouldn't sell it for all the tea in China, i sure miss not having a garage just to pull in, with air lines a roll around for metric, and a roll aroundfor standard, didn't have a lift though, they worked on alot of busses, and big floor jacks, and big ol jack stands, i couldn't tell you how many pizzas i ate with my father working late at the garage in the 80's, id love to wash my hands again with that old GoJo hand cleaner, and get cleaned up and eat pizza with my father again,..
But, im real scared to look under it now...😬✌️
Thanks for posting your story!! I hope yours does not turn out to have a rusty frame. This generation of F150 is not turning out to be a good one, as you know first-hand. It's unfortunate because when they are working they are great trucks. Hope you have many more years of life left in yours!
Thanks for watching!
I religiously washed the undercarriage of my 2005, I kept it until 2019 and the frame was mint. I now have a 2016 and discovered fluid film and also lightly wash the undercarriage whenever possible during the winter.
That’s great to hear. It means there’s hope!!
I have had to make my own weldable plates but I sprayed all the rust with this product that turns rust back to metal first. Then I did all the welding and after that sprayed everything inside and out with undercoating. This was 5 yrs ago and I sold the truck last year and the guy that bought it is using it to haul hay rolls to peoples cattle ranchs and he knew about the frame but still says he has had no issues out of it at all. He has also stated that no rust has come back at all. I think the rust converter was a very good idea and would recommend that that part of the process to be added to any rust repair. This is the product that I used for this Rust-Oleum Rust Reformer Spray Black. I got it from amazon which was the cheapest place to get it. I liked it so much I have started using it on every car or truck I buy just to prevent rust from starting. Its that good and no I do nit have an Amazon store lol
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
I need to find this man because that looks clean as heck
Thanks Matty!
Most important part didn’t get fixed the frame above the rear ended where the spring hangers are. Also it’s better to unbolt the spring hangers and plater underneath instead of sitting out around them. The thing is if you don’t bolt thru the new metal it makes the old rusty stuff even weaker because the plates frame is rigid and stiff them the thi factory frame is super week where the two meet is going to be weekest point. But you did a good job and did what the customer asked. Good job buddy
Thanks Cereus and thanks for the advice!
This convinced me to check my 03 frame. All good (and in Michigan) whew😅. I’m going to power wash and undercoat THIS weekend 😂
Dodged a bullet!
1st thing to do to fix this truck lift the body off , get a used rust free frame and st the body back down
the old frame had to much rust through all over looked like Swiss cheese more than metal
aw man! about half as bad as my 2004 colorado. I wish Dorman made the repair kits for my frame. I've been using 3/16" x 2" angle steel to bound the bottom part of the frame in the same manner as this kit. it's going well overall. that lift is cheating! it's tough weling and griding laying on your back. hats off to industrial welders who do that for a living
The lift is cheating :) keep up the good work. The Dorman parts make it much easier but good for you for roughing it out and getting it done anyways!!
My 05 F-150 was like that to, I thought about doing this but I had the 5.4 3V, the motor went before I could fix the frame so I got rid of it for a 2020 F-150, think I’m going to send it out and have the Frame coated soon.
Hopefully the new ones won’t have this issue but that’s a great plan to help avoid it.
I bought an 84 GMC High Sierra long box over the summer and was told the frame is thin. Its not cracked or rotted, pretty rusty but thin in some places. Mech said a welder might be able to do some "boxing" on it specifically from the back of the cab to the end of the truck. The front is good though. Is boxing a pretty common thing to do? I'm hoping to save this truck because other than the weak frame, the rest of the truck is indecent shape.
@@movieguy1985 boxing is not a bad idea, but I would recommend taking it to a welder and simply asking them what they would recommend. Every welder will approach it slightly differently and ultimately the goal is to simply reinforce it. Choose a good welder and let them do their thing.
Wont the undercoating over the rust with out paint excel the rusting?
Only if you are trapping moisture in there.
Thanks for vid. I think the dealer is doin this to my f150 after the turn signal cable rubbing the rusty frame rail. It was doin some crazy stuff after unhooking a trailer I towed-turn signal canceled out the cruise control? LoL. We thought it was the trailer light connector, but it wasn't apparently.
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Hello, I am impressed at your work in repairing the frame on that truck. I have the same issue with my 05 f150 I have 81000 miles on my truck and I kept it well maintained. The body and interior are awesome I just didn't realize that the frame and when I saw your video and went to check my truck frame it was in the same condition. I just wanted to now what was the fee you charged on the repair and was the parts you used included in the repair. also what type of garages or auto repair shops do you think would do this kind of work. Thank you , any info would be greatly appreciated.
I'll send you an email.
I live in in Minnesota and I got a Toyota sequioa 2003 with some rust. There are few areas that concern me. Could I send you a pictures of the areas and could you please Quote me a price? Thank you
I would have kept going on the other rust outs. You were so close to having it all done.
Very true. At the end of the day the customer is my boss.
I'd would say what you did was a great job.
@@jaxj3626 thanks !
i wonder if this would work on my 2010 F-150. maybe i could buy this and modify it with angle grinder if the frames are same width.
It would be worth checking with Dorman to see if they offer one for the 2010 model.
I have a Ford F150 that is worse than the one in the video. There should be a class action suit regarding the frame. I wonder if the metal can be analyzed to tell why it failed?
IMHO it’s a design flaw. The fully boxed frame traps dirt and moisture inside and, like any steel, it will just rust away. If they had done something to prevent the rust better it may have helped, but they didn’t do enough. Other trucks also have a boxed frame and don’t have this issue. Although Toyota also has this issue.
Looks like a decent repair job considering the severity of the situation. Too bad customer did not want the remaining holes repaired.
Yeah, it’s a tough call to make. Hopefully it’s the right call for him.
I love your video, it really helped understand what wron with my 08 Ford 150 Lariat rusted froame rails exactly like what you did to fix thatguys truck. I just am having a lot of problems finding someone around Seattle that can do what you do. Any suggestions? Thanks Robert from Bothell Wa
Hey Robert, glad it was helpful!!
Unfortunately I hear from a lot of people that are in the same situation. It's hard to find shops that will make this kind of repair. I think part of it is because it's somewhat of a bandaid fix. Although it's much better than when it arrived, it's still not as good as replacing the frame, and the rust will get the best of it eventually. The people this repair is good for are those who do not haul heavy loads, or tow big trailers and pretty much just use the trucks as people haulers. It's a good way to get several more years out of a truck that should otherwise go to the salvage yard, for a cost that's reasonable, in comparison to frame replacement.
So the customer fix the big shit . But don't want to go the extra mile to fix the rest image that seen that many times in my life.....!
Glad I’m not the only one who gets that!
Sir u just gave me so much hope thank u
You’re welcome!!
Do you know if they make rail replacements for the crew cab 6.5ft bed? I'm having a hard time finding them. Thank you!
I’m not sure about what different applications they make these for. Might be best to contact Dorman to get the best answer.
Thank you@@bennieaust
No plug welds? Isn't it illegal to tamper with vehicle frame? Just run it till it breaks, then repair?
No plug welds. I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt, but it’s still going strong.
Tamper? I haven’t heard of a law prohibiting repair of a frame. I haven’t even heard of a law prohibiting modification of a frame. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but I worked at a commercial truck shop when I shot this video and it was normal for us to “tamper” with the frames on every truck we mounted a body on.
As someone who repairs vehicles, “run it till it breaks” is a bad idea. I know that because many people try that and have much bigger issues to deal with.
I've got a large hole broken in my 2005 f150 frame near the leaf spring mount. These caps don't seem to go back that far
That’s also a common spot. Unfortunately these caps don’t address that spot. You’ll have to fab up some pieces of plating for your issue.
@bennieaust I've got some 1/8 plate steel I'll make work
@@Kartracer95that should work great.
how much would something like this cost? I have a smaller hole and a bit of a line near the gas tank in my 2010 chevy. also i noticed the two holes, how long do you think a truck could last with that strickly the frame? 1 year? 3? 5? 10?
This customer paid around $1500 for the repair. They are all a little different.
thanks so much for the quick response appriciate it. @@bennieaust
Great job! I would definitely cover those holes at the end of the rails otherwise it sort of defeats the purpose.
I think no matter how it’s done it extends the life of the truck but not forever. It will still be an issue at some point. :(
Can you explain how this is a good long term solution when it doesnt fix the rest of the rusted chassis?
No! Anybody that tells you this is a good long term solution is lying to you. Don’t listen to them!
This is a bandaid fix to an otherwise good truck that will not be doing any major work like towing or hauling heavy loads.
I'd like to know what you charged him for the work. It looks great!
Thanks!!
I think he was in it about $1500 parts and labor.
Will this part work on a SuperCrew Cab model? 2007
I believe so, but confirm it with whoever you order it from. There are so many variations on the F150s, I can’t say for sure.
@@bennieaust Wow thank you for the quick response! Ill ask around some body shops near me and see what they think
@ you’re welcome!
Bro where are you located? I need you to save mine, same predicament. I'm in central PA
I’m in Minnesota.
where are you located and how much for the job?
I’m located in Belle Plaine, MN
Nice work, but considering the extent of the rust on this frame, I think it should have just been scrapped. Had the repair pieces covers the only rust, fine, but there is so much more.
I don’t disagree with that. I took it as far as he wanted me to but there is no doubt it’s not as good as a new frame. It’s also a lot better than when it arrived. That 5.4 will die before the frame folds I half?? :)
Thanks for watching!
@@bennieaust Yes, I agree. Tough times, crappy frames. I have a customers 06 Ford here now with problems, too me these boxed frames suck. We didn’t see as much issues when they were open. Thanks for the video, shows a good solution for some situations.
typically how much is a job like this if you don't mind me asking I'm looking at a truck perfect condition literally no rust anywear or wear looking anywhere but frame
If it needs this repair run!!! Do not buy it.
I have a 2004 Ford F150 FX4 and the chassis is rotted and cracked all over the place my mechanic told me. I live on Long Island so my truck won’t pass inspection for state of New york. not really sure what to do here. mechanic told me maybe look for a welder to fix it, not really sure what that entails. Any information on how I could proceed to fix this issue is greatly appreciated. thank you.
Sorry to hear you’ve got this issue too. :(
That’s good advice to find a local welder and see if they can repair it for you.
I have 04 f 150 how much do you think it would coast for it
It can vary greatly shop to shop and region to region. You really have to check around locally.
So let me ask you this because my father is looking into gifting me an 2005 f150 in otherwise great condition except the rotted undercarriage or frame. When i looked up on google said could be anywhere from 1000 to 3000 dollars to fix and if thats true i feel like thats totally worth seeing that everything else on this truck is really taken care of. Do you think its worth it to fix in that situation and is that pricing right you think? We got tge truck for 500 because my dad gets great deals at his work.
Personally I would never buy one that had this issue. The repair I did in the video made the truck much better and safer, but it’s never going to be as good as a new frame or a truck that never had a rusted frame.
This is more of a fix for someone who is in a tight spot with a truck they own, not a reason to buy one that needs to be fixed.
If the truck you bought is otherwise really nice I would suggest getting the frame replaced. Then you will truly have a great truck.
What does that complete job run price wise? Curious on if its worth it for me to have the same procedure done.
Around $1500 but each one is unique and price can vary greatly depending on how bad it is.
What was the approximate labor time and cost for this? I hear of ALOT of these F150 trucks having this issue. Is it bad engineering or what? Don't they use preservation coatings from the factory during production. Makes no sense as to why the frames rot so easily while mostly everything else looks decent.
Every shop will be different and every truck will be slightly different. This guy spent about $1500 parts and labor on this job. It’s not as good as a new frame, but much better than when it arrived.
I think it is an engineering mistake. This should not be happening to so many of these. They should have been able to engineer it for better longevity.
Hello
I just purvhased these from your link for my Ford truck. I went to an alignment shop for a estimate to do what you did. They quoted about $2000 for the labor. Is that a fair price ?
Thanks
$2000 seems like a fair price. A lot of people are having a hard time finding a shop that will install them. If you found a shop that will do it for $2000 I’d jump on it!
Trying to find a local person in Iowa to do this exact repair to my 2008 Super Crew long bed. Seems the long bed (65') repair kits seem to not common. SB kit the same?
I'm not sure if they are the same or not. You may want to contact Dorman with fitment questions. I'd imagine they could answer any questions you have.
I got same exact truck and I just got done doing mine. The front drivers side leaf spring mount broke right off the frame. I couldn’t find mt. anywhere so I ended up making one. I made one for passenger side too even tho it didn’t look too bad an was still holding. I just figured I’d make sure it was good so I didn’t have to deal with doing it again later if it did get bad. I ended up having to repair most of the frame from transmission cross member all the way back. And the two cross members above gas tank. It was a lot a work but I think worth it. Truck is still in great shape, just frame rusted to shit on it.
I have used hydraulic oil for years , I don't like the coating of anything were water can get trapped oil will find every little nook , yes you have to do it every year but it works
How much do you charge for that job? Mine is similar
This customer paid around $1500.
Do you know how this held up? It must’ve snapped eventually? They say vertical welds weakens the structural integrity the most bc of how it weakens the metal at its most demanding angle. What size rod did you use?
I have fairly low expectations for this truck, but not nearly as low as yours. Lol, it has not snapped, it’s doing fine.
I used a MIG welder with .035” wire.
@@bennieaust haha just wondering if I can still use it for a tow vehicle under
@@KollynJwhen people asking about making the repair I recommend to them that if they don’t plan on hauling heavy load and towing heavy trailers they will be fine. If it’s basically a people hauler then your truck is a good candidate. I’m maybe being a bit conservative, but I don’t want anyone taking any chances.
I have a 2002 Suburban 2500. Frame looks like that one but everything else is in great shape. Debating whether it's worth fixing like this.
It’s always a tough call. One of the big variables is what’s out there for used vehicles. If you come across a good deal on something else than it can sway you decision.
Rust is a losing battle. Even after a repair like this there is still more rust on other parts of the frame. It buys it a few more years but the rust will win in the end anyways. :(
whould you put that on a post lift now? or even use it to tow with after that repair?
There were still other questionable areas on the frame so I would be leery of lifting with a 2 post lift on this truck. I would be less worried about towing, but wouldn't try to tow anywhere near max capacity. Every truck would have to be evaluated individually on these things.
The Dorman parts worked great and it's much better than when it came over but nowhere near as good as it was when new.
@@bennieaust what’s the purpose of these repairs if you can not use the truck ?
@@briizcustoms9543 every truck has to be individually evaluated. In the extremely bad cases, this repair is the difference between sending the truck to the junk yard, or being able to continue to use it as transportation. On the better cases, when it saved before it’s to bad, the truck can absolutely be used as the truck it’s supposed to be.
I wonder if the bed can fly off while driving?
It’s the lower part of the frame that rust out. All the body mounts that hold the box on are in excellent condition.
I had a 2000 Chevy Silverado with a rusty frame and it collapsed in front of the rear wheels at 296k. Ravaged it for parts that could swap onto my 2004 and sold the rest for cheap.
I've had to make a few repairs on the older chevy's as well. The salt they use on the roads really kills these things. :(
Where are you located I'm in Ypsilanti Michigan nice work
Thanks! I'm in Belle Plaine, MN.
Would it work to drill holes and bolt it onto the frame?
It would help a little, but I think it would be a far second to welding it.
What do you unhook before welding the frame. Battery ground, will welding affect the ECM or is there a ground to disconnect?
Hey Lesley,
You can either disconnect the negative battery cable, or use a device like this:
www.amazon.com/Dent-Fix-DF-601-Surge-Protector/dp/B002XMS0KU/ref=asc_df_B002XMS0KU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309750549985&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6979250700272117712&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019869&hvtargid=pla-760191242152&psc=1
Hope my GMT800 frame doesn't look like this when I drop the tank. Ever done a 99-06 GM frame repair?
I haven’t witnessed the same issues on the GMT800. I have repaired rear shock mounts and the rear crossmember they mount on. Lots and lots of rotted out brake lines on those things though. Did I say lots?
What is a fair price to have someone do this needing it done on my 2006 f150. Mine looks almost identical to the truck in this video. Wish ford would have put more holes in the bottom so they didn’t hold so much moisture!
I get asked this question a lot and it’s very hard to answer because every truck is different. I never can be certain until I start working on one how bad it actually is. The rust issues can be significant worse than it initially appears. In fact it pretty much always is worse than it appears. It can take many extra hours to address addition issues. This particular truck the owner spent about $1500 on the repair IIRC.
@@bennieaust appreciate the response thank you!!
@@amkoutdoors you’re welcome!
Do you have the part #s for a 2005 f150 crew cab 4x4? Or do you just cut down those ? TIA.
The only parts numbers I have are the ones in the description that were for this particular truck.
How much does a job like this cost in total on the same type of truck? With parts cost and labor…
Every one is unique, but this one was right around $1500.
They should offer a powder coat frame option from the factory.Im amazed that truck didn’t break in half
They definitely should have done something different! This one is bad but it wasn’t flexing when you jump on the bumper. I’ve seen much worse since then. :(
Does anyone know if these same caps will fit a 2010 f150? I can't seem to find any online.
I would contact rockauto.com or Dorman and see if they can point you in the right direction.
@bennieaust I'll try that. Thanks
i wouldve liked to see the original frame rust treated, at least a rust stopping paint, but overall that's a solid repair, didn't even know they made sleeves like this
The goal is that the Fluid Film will help prevent further corrosion on the existing and new metal. I don’t believe that’s entirely possible though.
These sleeve Dorman makes really makes it a much easier job. Anything beyond this and you should definitely consider frame replacement IMHO.
Thanks for watching!
@@bennieaust oh ok i didnt know that, hopefully itll last the rest of the trucks life and yw keep up the great content
@@bennieaust ironic i left this comment because I am actually doing this same repair on the same truck haha. didn't even know it at the time
@@slimsqde7397 I’m not surprised, these trucks are notorious for it. :(
I’ve got links in the description for the Dorman parts and the other supplies I used.
@@bennieaust yea ive seen that since looking into it. luckily this truck is only rusted on the driver side frame rail and everything else is basically rust free.
also i found the links, much apreciated!
How much time does this install take? Would like to get an idea of the costs to install the Dorman frame repair sleeves. Thanks.
It can vary greatly depending on exactly how bad the truck is, and what shop you take it to. The best thing to do is just contact local shops and see if they can give you a quote.
The fender flares say it all.
If only it was just the body!
I've done this repair, but I didn't use frame caps, I replaced the rear half of frame.
That would be be a job but a very solid repair! Well done!!
What does something like this cost?
It’s varies for shop to shop and region to region. This customer spent about $1500.
how much did this cost in total
IIRC aright around $1500
where did you get the green reinforcement parts?
There's a link and part numbers in the description.
What size welding rod
I used a MIG welder. .035 solid core wire.
How much would that repair cost at a shop?
It probably varies greatly. This customer spent around $1500 IIRC.
do you think tacking it all around would be good? and can it pass inspection?
Only Tacking? At that point I'd just put in a little more time and fully weld it. We don't have inspections here, so I don't know. Way more likely to pass after the repair then before!
@@bennieaust thanks for the reply. Yeah true, do you think I will have enough mig feed with 2lbs for just one side? I
got 0.8mm
@@ashleybernard1055 it will be close!
I am not sure this would pass NYS inspection. It still is compromised by the suspension attachment point. Maybe with some more work. May be ready for the junkyard here :lol:
No doubt, this thing was BAD and still needs for work out in to it.
totally agree with you.
Hey man how much did this roughly cost your customer? Getting many various quotes from shops for same issue same truck same year
Roughly $1500.
They dont offer these pieces for a crew cab ??
I’m not sure. If you can’t find them then I would say you’re correct.
What did this job cost?
About $1500
American cars from the 60s dont rust out as bad as these new 10 year old lifespan trucks.
And certainly not the frames!
How long did this repair take you. ?
It takes a few days with dry time of the products I used and everything.
Where did get those form bc I just bought a f150 looks just like this on the video and the frame has couple of holes in and I want bye these what you used to fix it
You said something about rockauto can you send me the link where to get these form
There’s a link and part numbers in the description.
Thanks I found
I just got on there and looked they said they are out of stock and didn't know when they have any where else can I get them at
How much would a repair like this cost?
Every shop will be a little different and every truck is a little different. This job cost the customer about $1500.
@@bennieaust ok thanks. That a lot cheaper than buying another truck. Thanks
@@robdlp2420you’re welcome! Yes, it is much cheaper.
What would be the labor cost on a job like that?
Shops are all a little different and each truck is also a little different in how bad and how much labor is required. I would expect a minimum of $1500-$2000.
Hey guys I have a question.... how much would a job like that cost 🤷🏽♂️
IIRC this customer paid about $1500.
How many hours did this taie total. My guess minimum 10 hours of work x 150/hr looks like $1500 plus parts. 2k job
That about right. Every one is a little different but that’s an accurate estimate.
That rubberized undercoating, just gonna make it worse. If you wanna coat it with something that won't continue to rust underneath it, and don't want it to wash off, like lanolin, use black cosmoline rp342.
Thanks for the tip!
Where are you located I'm interested on fixing the rust of my truck like how much do I have to spend to get the job done thanks
In Minnesota. Where are you located?
Whow I'm all the way in NYC wish you where somewhere close ,thanks ,
Good work you did in that F150
@@ces4r123456789 yeah, to bad I’m not closer. Thanks for checking out the video!
@@bennieaust is there a way to me to reach out to you? I'm just across the WI boarder..would be curious to talk more about you working on my frame if you'd be interested?
Where you located
Belle Plaine, MN
Will these work on an '05 F150 2WD? They only sell for 4WD.
I haven’t done this repair on a 2wd. I would go with what Dorman says. If they don’t list one, then probably not.
@@bennieaust through several emails with them today, they said it will work on a 2WD extended cab frame only. I'm going to find out.
@@richardballew8958 , good to hear! Best of luck with the project!
Does anybody know where I can purchase those frame Replacements I have the same problem
There are links in the description.
@@bennieaust thank you brother
@@atticusfinch3931 you’re welcome!
My truck is the same how much this cost
It cost this customer around $1500. It can vary greatly depending on where you’re located, who you take it to and how bad your truck is.
How much does it cost for this job? What do you recommend to use to remove the corrosion rust (crimped cup, twist wire cup, twist wire wheel, etc.)? How many do I need to remove the rust on the 2000 Toyota Tundra frame (so I can order the right quantity online)? I know it depends on many factors, just give me a rough estimate? Thanks.
I had about 18 hours in to this one. Plus the relatively low cost of the Dorman parts and the Fluid Film and undercoating. Cost really depends on the local shop you choose. I've sure it varies greatly.
I used a flap disc (one was all I needed) to clean off the areas I needed to weld on. A hammer is actually my choice to knock all the big stuff off that's no longer doing anything. The way I approached this job was not to remove all rust and try to seal, but rather soak it with fluid film to stop it from spreading. I don't think it would be possible to truly remove all rust and get it sealed and permanently stopped.
Just wanted to ask the what it cost this guy? I thought about doing this to my 2006 fx4 w- 282k on it. I found a guy near me that said he would weld it for$600. I thought, cool let's do it. But I had to remove the bed. After breaking 2 torx bits and pikes of trust on the ground from hammering the books, noticing for rust and mount rust, I decided it's not worth it. I've had the truck from 30k miles and the interior was still very nice. I just decided it's not worth the time or money. But great video any way!
Is cost around $1,500. When you get in to repairs like this, they are all different so I'm somewhat hesitant to post that. But that is about where this one ended up at.
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Thanks!!