Wildstar had the best housing you can ever want and I never really had the urge to stay all day in my house, although it had all the needed amenities - crafting tables, gathering plots.
“Ian said that player housing would cost us raid tiers but that was just an exaggeration right?” > Last 3 expansions have only had 3 raid tiers as opposed to 4 > Player housing announced for Midnight .. I guess he was right
Yeah but to be honest a lot of returning dungeons became a lot less toxic. Siege of boralus was the worst dungeon to pug ever and it's ok now so I'm optimistic.
I'm with Growl here: Motherlode coming back is hype but 100% chance that Blizz makes so many changes that the dungeon will become hated. Count changes that force us to pull mobs in the final area, mobs everywhere will become chain casters, prob add a mechanic to a couple of the bosses.
Instantly going to "maybe if you get cutting edge you get the decoration" is exactly whats wrong with the playerbase. This is a feature casual players really want. If they cater this to the .01% of title players it will kill it for the majority ofnthe playerbase
Just because you have a reward for top players doesn't mean it's catered towards them. That's like saying they shouldn't add a reward for having like 1000 mounts because that's catered towards mount collectors, but I don't participate in that. If they are going down the route of adding rewards for achievements etc. to decorate your "house" then it should be for EVERYTHING.
A friend of mine wants it to avoid garrisons problem so suggested gathering nodes like garrisons that gave you a buff to gathering out in open world. ENCOURAGING you to still go out open world
Player housing + D.R.I.V.E = Custom race tracks. Perhaps custom dragon riding races as well. Guild Wars 2 has this with Guild halls + Beetle racing/Griffon riding and it's great!
"the only thing they're reusing are the assets" yes please do this more blizzard. let the dungeon team cook without needing the art team to make anything.
Growl absolutely nailed why I'm excited about housing. Some days I just want to be in Azeroth and not stress in m+/raid. I hope it leans towards ESO's housing (minus the in game store) and it's level of customization and interaction with crafting. A lot of what Squishei was suggesting is in ESO.
You would be a lot better off in your life in general if when you felt that urge you did other things or played other games. Wow is not worth of your time like that, everyone deserves better
I think you missed a few elements that could make player housing awesome. Incorporate professions - have things that each one can learn and create, something unique and interesting. Or better yet, new profession - architect or builder - someone who can learn and build different aspects of housing with specific aesthetics. Could have your place NE or dwarf or Tauren or nightborne themed. This could be an avenue for crafters to go down that could be lucrative and desirable that isn't tied to player power.
I’d love to see Xalatath make a “deal” with Gallywix knowing that he can easily be taken advantage of by the sound of money. Xalatath can play him like a puppet, and it’s a sad story of both manipulation for personal gain, and being blinded by the almighty dollar.
Topic for the next pod: Thoughts on clean UI vs too much information on screen? One thing I appreciate about Liquid’s broadcast was always how clean the UI is for the broadcast POV. When I watch Gingi do M+, I don’t even know what I’m looking at lol
visions were leagues ahead than delves as solo content ! thematic was amazing difficulty was high at least in the start and pillars as seasonal was amazing as well
I think the fact that they havent announced player housing as attached to an expansion (yet) means they can take their time and dont need to tie to other expansion mechanics like garrisons
Being happy about the road map and wanting motherlode not be bad are sorta at odds with eachother. Why these old dungeons brought back launch bad isnt them not understanding what a good and bad dungeons are but them running out of time to polish content. While having a set timeline for patches is good and fun for us, it's definitely not good for development. When the dungeon has to be ready for mid winter release there is less of a chance of them commiting on changing the dungeon to be modern and polished. Keeping it mostly the same and playing safe is far easier to make in time for a set launch date.
I’d love to see a ZA or ZG added to M+. I think ZA particularly has a semi-decent setup for it from the timed runs for the Bear mount and could translate well. Also, bring back Maw of Souls. 4 minute speedruns for life!
I loooved visions cause it was the first harder solo content that i actually got good at. I know they werent that hard in the end but i loved progressing them. I liked the optionality of the mask affixes that you could choose, the rotation between oggrimar and stormwind and helping friends doing them. Yea it got a bit boring by the end when i was just farming them but at same time i got way faster at doing them so wasn't a big deal either i think.
Ngl would be kind of fire if they just brought back corruption powers on the 11.1.5 patch but only allowed you to equip a max of 3 level one corruption pieces or one max level 3 corruption without the negative side effects. Like for example 11.1.5 xal'athat introduces a corruption rift and before 11.2 starts we close the rift off and the corruption powers disappear. I'd give em bonus points if they brought back the awakened affix and they replaced challengers peril with it omfg that patch would go so hard if they did that.
DRIVE sounds like they saw the roller beetle mount in guild wars 2 and want to bring it to wow which would be so cool depending on how them implement this
also, regarding the Dragon Riding Races, i think it would have been more successful if it had been queable in the dungeon finder. maybe with daily/weekly rewards or something. If i'd be able to que up for a race in Undermine with 11 other people, it could be fun. especially if they keep adding new tracks to the game.
With player housing would they introduce a new crafting profession for housing items? Would it be a primary or secondary skill if there was like carpentry or something like that
The worry about player housing making everything feel empty only happened with Garrisons because you had to be IN the garrison to do a lot of things. In FFXIV there's player and free company (guild) housing and there's no shortage of players in main city hubs and just waiting around in the world. In fact, sometimes it's wild just HOW many people wait by the aetheryte or are in the main cities just talking in general chat to each other (something that rarely happens in WoW now because of all the fuckin ads people push in there). Sure, some people just stay at their house but by and large people want to be in community with others. The only way Blizzard could muck it up is by making core gameplay mechanics require you to be only in your player housing like they did with garrisons which I don't think they'll make that mistake again.
I love my Fallout 76 house and I love my Path of Exile house. I've had people compliment my hideout in Path of Exile, it looks like something the developers would've made, I spent way too much time laying down doodads and themes in there, plus PoE is 100% open with it, they don't lock crap and put it in a store, you can get everything without buying anything, but they do have some housing stuff in the store anyway. I like building in single player games too. Project Zomboid, Terraria, Valheim, shoot The Sims, Fallout 4, etc.
Potential loss of a new zone in the 3rd patch is kinda sad Also, for the new horrific visions: theyll prob do another armor piece (ala bfa neck or pandaria cloak) for resistance and then prob do torghast style power chooser to replace the azeroth neck abilities
Player housing could get interesting. If they have assets that they were working on from the survival game project that got cancelled and move it into WoW... It leaves me hopeful it could be really well done
Warband camp collections should be a part of Warband feature since day1, we got MVP only, I hope in future we get fully fledged out features instead. Can you imagine player housing day1 being not customizable and having to wait until next major patch to start collecting your house decorations? That would be horrible.
Dude. You’re being mad to be mad. It’s not that huge a a deal it’s not “not fully fledged out” it’s a nice addition they’re adding once they realized how much people enjoyed the war and screen.
“Harder dungeons that don’t have a timer” was supposed to be the new M0. I think season 4 DF was generally there. M0 in TWW is too easy and not rewarding enough.
I will be channeling my inner Blackrock and buying up all the houses in winter spring and booty bay to create housing shortage ingame and increase my profits, this will be fun.
That comment about I got 30 let me log in and do something quick is a big thing for me. I like the group stuff but I want some more interesting things to interact with in shorter burst 20-30 minute chunks would be awesome to help fill in the gaps.
Blizzard is going to pull a Blizz with player housing and timegate it somehow. So instead of just having a player house your way they will force you to engage with it. Thats my guess
watched max's reaction to the announcement yesterday and he said m+'ers always gonna complain about how blizzard is gonna ruin the old dungeons and as soon as you guys start talking about motherload growl's like "they are gonna ruin the dungeon" 🤣
Player housing is such a waste of time and resources for something that will do nothing for the game. It’s like pet battles. Something we never needed that nearly no one engages with.
WoD was released before ff14arr player housing according to magic google box so growl was probably correct There werent really many games back then at either level of WoW or ff14 maybe gw2? but no housing there Wildstar came out earlier that year but I don’t remember it releasing with housing out the gate
I don't want my own house. A guild hall would go so much further with way less chance to fail. WoW needs something in the game to rebuild the sense of community aspect to the game. Guild Halls would be it!
The ppl that want classic fresh wants it for the leveling and to see all the ppl playing at the same time and the community being alive beofre it disapears once the server starts to die down (the world being alive), i don`t think they care at all about speed clearing raids thats a max level thing when they have completed everything else. Stuff like leveling together and doing Deadmines or SM is hype for that crowd of ppl.
The other podcast would never give extra content to us freeloaders. Truly the podcast of the people.
They need to add Sanguine manually to Motherlode just so everyone gets the authentic experience
Mastermind standing in sanguine was my childhood
@@Kevmoeman "JUST FLY AWAY! ???"
0:22 I paused, and after this comment I'm walking away. I'll come back later and watch the rest of this and pretend that cold open didn't happen.
My day would have been better without having heard that shit
440 yards is just a quarter mile, its a F&F reference, just in the units that wow uses.
Lmaoooo. Squishei missing this and thinking it's code for movement speed is so funny to me.
@@DasbeerbootsSquishei is always reaching mega hard with this kinda stuff. Dude ids not logical or reasonable at all.
440yards = quarter mile, it was a fast and furious reference lol
I was gonna comment that, hopefully squishie sees it lol
Wildstar had the best housing you can ever want and I never really had the urge to stay all day in my house, although it had all the needed amenities - crafting tables, gathering plots.
2 benches in 1 week yes. TYTY.
Simp
“Ian said that player housing would cost us raid tiers but that was just an exaggeration right?”
> Last 3 expansions have only had 3 raid tiers as opposed to 4
> Player housing announced for Midnight
.. I guess he was right
Waking up to extra podcast is pretty pog
Motherlode was one of the most toxic dungeons for pugs. Everyone had different "tech" on how to clear the dungeon and it just lead to pain.
Yeah but to be honest a lot of returning dungeons became a lot less toxic. Siege of boralus was the worst dungeon to pug ever and it's ok now so I'm optimistic.
@sombrego2260 that's a fair point. I hope they make some positive changes.
its not like they will release it natty lol
a lot of bfa dungeons were ass because of affixes imo. motherlode was fucked on sang/bolst weeks lol
Personally motherlode w reaping is some of the most fun I ever had in wow lol
I'm with Growl here: Motherlode coming back is hype but 100% chance that Blizz makes so many changes that the dungeon will become hated. Count changes that force us to pull mobs in the final area, mobs everywhere will become chain casters, prob add a mechanic to a couple of the bosses.
Instantly going to "maybe if you get cutting edge you get the decoration" is exactly whats wrong with the playerbase.
This is a feature casual players really want. If they cater this to the .01% of title players it will kill it for the majority ofnthe playerbase
Just because you have a reward for top players doesn't mean it's catered towards them. That's like saying they shouldn't add a reward for having like 1000 mounts because that's catered towards mount collectors, but I don't participate in that. If they are going down the route of adding rewards for achievements etc. to decorate your "house" then it should be for EVERYTHING.
2:53 Housing hearthstone and the bar color change might just be an indicator that it's gonna be an evergreen feature. Here to stay
housing would obviously be an evergreen feature. they will not do garrisons again lol
A friend of mine wants it to avoid garrisons problem so suggested gathering nodes like garrisons that gave you a buff to gathering out in open world. ENCOURAGING you to still go out open world
The raid has such a cool aesthetic, I'm really looking forward to being in it.
Thanks for the bonus episode!!
I just want to walk out on my porch and yell at my guildies to get off my lawn.
That won’t happen
Tettles is all about the baby bird.
Thank you for the extra hour of no existential crises
Player housing + D.R.I.V.E = Custom race tracks. Perhaps custom dragon riding races as well. Guild Wars 2 has this with Guild halls + Beetle racing/Griffon riding and it's great!
"the only thing they're reusing are the assets" yes please do this more blizzard. let the dungeon team cook without needing the art team to make anything.
The hall of fame should be a physical hall of fame you can visit.
She shadow of the mic for squish looked metal af I thought I was trippin out lol
Best intro yet.
Growl absolutely nailed why I'm excited about housing. Some days I just want to be in Azeroth and not stress in m+/raid. I hope it leans towards ESO's housing (minus the in game store) and it's level of customization and interaction with crafting. A lot of what Squishei was suggesting is in ESO.
You would be a lot better off in your life in general if when you felt that urge you did other things or played other games. Wow is not worth of your time like that, everyone deserves better
This is blizzard. There will be tons of stuff in the in game shop.
That intro goes so hard
I think you missed a few elements that could make player housing awesome.
Incorporate professions - have things that each one can learn and create, something unique and interesting.
Or better yet, new profession - architect or builder - someone who can learn and build different aspects of housing with specific aesthetics. Could have your place NE or dwarf or Tauren or nightborne themed.
This could be an avenue for crafters to go down that could be lucrative and desirable that isn't tied to player power.
I’d love to see Xalatath make a “deal” with Gallywix knowing that he can easily be taken advantage of by the sound of money. Xalatath can play him like a puppet, and it’s a sad story of both manipulation for personal gain, and being blinded by the almighty dollar.
They are starting to do what EQ does. Each year release a new fresh server that progresses through each expac.
Only took 20 years for them to catch on.
We are absolutely getting a mega dungeon. No way we don’t. It’s some of the best content for semi casuals
Topic for the next pod:
Thoughts on clean UI vs too much information on screen? One thing I appreciate about Liquid’s broadcast was always how clean the UI is for the broadcast POV.
When I watch Gingi do M+, I don’t even know what I’m looking at lol
32:06 S4 Dragonflight was the raid tier we didn’t get. Tbh it checks out
visions were leagues ahead than delves as solo content ! thematic was amazing difficulty was high at least in the start and pillars as seasonal was amazing as well
I think the fact that they havent announced player housing as attached to an expansion (yet) means they can take their time and dont need to tie to other expansion mechanics like garrisons
What day is it? You guys are 5 days early? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Procced a new episode
@@TheBenchPodcast Blizz: Fun detected. Time to nerf that proc rate! 😑😑
Extra bonus epi chalk full of the good shiz. Idc what anyone says about you guys you’re a-ok in my book. Cept for that open. Boomkins are wild
Can't wait to see how blizz will add ten casters a pack to motherlode.
Being happy about the road map and wanting motherlode not be bad are sorta at odds with eachother. Why these old dungeons brought back launch bad isnt them not understanding what a good and bad dungeons are but them running out of time to polish content. While having a set timeline for patches is good and fun for us, it's definitely not good for development.
When the dungeon has to be ready for mid winter release there is less of a chance of them commiting on changing the dungeon to be modern and polished. Keeping it mostly the same and playing safe is far easier to make in time for a set launch date.
3:00 - The Timeline turns green towards the end because of all the new Evergreen Player Housing system!
I’d love to see a ZA or ZG added to M+. I think ZA particularly has a semi-decent setup for it from the timed runs for the Bear mount and could translate well. Also, bring back Maw of Souls. 4 minute speedruns for life!
Praying for Plaguefall but with no tentacle mobs. Love that dungeon
excellent intro tettles A+
Guild neighbourhood is a sick idea
I loooved visions cause it was the first harder solo content that i actually got good at. I know they werent that hard in the end but i loved progressing them. I liked the optionality of the mask affixes that you could choose, the rotation between oggrimar and stormwind and helping friends doing them.
Yea it got a bit boring by the end when i was just farming them but at same time i got way faster at doing them so wasn't a big deal either i think.
Ngl would be kind of fire if they just brought back corruption powers on the 11.1.5 patch but only allowed you to equip a max of 3 level one corruption pieces or one max level 3 corruption without the negative side effects. Like for example 11.1.5 xal'athat introduces a corruption rift and before 11.2 starts we close the rift off and the corruption powers disappear. I'd give em bonus points if they brought back the awakened affix and they replaced challengers peril with it omfg that patch would go so hard if they did that.
yo hello baby bird feeding
Wake up babe, new bench dropped
professions has been that hop on for 30 mins and fiddle around content for me.
The thing that killed garrisons for me was the required daily upkeep that took forever. All that stuff should have been follower missions.
DRIVE sounds like they saw the roller beetle mount in guild wars 2 and want to bring it to wow which would be so cool depending on how them implement this
I hope its guild neighborhoods where you can just walk around to all your guildies houses
Another bench?? Bruh
edit: guild halls would be cool.
Yall just had to give Energy Drink man and Homewrecker some attention 😂
PoddyWhat? The Bench is by the people, for the people.
I loved De Other Side as a dungeon, I know everyone's hating but I would love it to come back!
Hell yeah second bench
also, regarding the Dragon Riding Races, i think it would have been more successful if it had been queable in the dungeon finder. maybe with daily/weekly rewards or something. If i'd be able to que up for a race in Undermine with 11 other people, it could be fun. especially if they keep adding new tracks to the game.
With player housing would they introduce a new crafting profession for housing items? Would it be a primary or secondary skill if there was like carpentry or something like that
No they prob just gonna add a new skill tree to farm KP for in the existing ones
2:05 Tettles hits squishei's microphone.
The worry about player housing making everything feel empty only happened with Garrisons because you had to be IN the garrison to do a lot of things. In FFXIV there's player and free company (guild) housing and there's no shortage of players in main city hubs and just waiting around in the world. In fact, sometimes it's wild just HOW many people wait by the aetheryte or are in the main cities just talking in general chat to each other (something that rarely happens in WoW now because of all the fuckin ads people push in there). Sure, some people just stay at their house but by and large people want to be in community with others. The only way Blizzard could muck it up is by making core gameplay mechanics require you to be only in your player housing like they did with garrisons which I don't think they'll make that mistake again.
Imagine that a rogue could enter a house and steal stuff, peak content
Mad Max Raid Tier lets go
I love my Fallout 76 house and I love my Path of Exile house. I've had people compliment my hideout in Path of Exile, it looks like something the developers would've made, I spent way too much time laying down doodads and themes in there, plus PoE is 100% open with it, they don't lock crap and put it in a store, you can get everything without buying anything, but they do have some housing stuff in the store anyway.
I like building in single player games too. Project Zomboid, Terraria, Valheim, shoot The Sims, Fallout 4, etc.
If the thing at the end is HS for housing maybe the green indicate that its ever green?
i hope we can choose any zone in Azeroth to build our house at. i would love to build a home in Mulgore and Grizzly Hills.
Potential loss of a new zone in the 3rd patch is kinda sad
Also, for the new horrific visions: theyll prob do another armor piece (ala bfa neck or pandaria cloak) for resistance and then prob do torghast style power chooser to replace the azeroth neck abilities
Player housing could get interesting. If they have assets that they were working on from the survival game project that got cancelled and move it into WoW... It leaves me hopeful it could be really well done
bonus bench?
440 yards is a quarter mile...
If my stupid player house comes with a stupid mission table I'm calling the police tho
Warband camp collections should be a part of Warband feature since day1, we got MVP only, I hope in future we get fully fledged out features instead. Can you imagine player housing day1 being not customizable and having to wait until next major patch to start collecting your house decorations? That would be horrible.
That is a good point. I feel like blizzard is just winging shit at this point lol.
Dude. You’re being mad to be mad. It’s not that huge a a deal it’s not “not fully fledged out” it’s a nice addition they’re adding once they realized how much people enjoyed the war and screen.
“Harder dungeons that don’t have a timer” was supposed to be the new M0. I think season 4 DF was generally there. M0 in TWW is too easy and not rewarding enough.
I will be channeling my inner Blackrock and buying up all the houses in winter spring and booty bay to create housing shortage ingame and increase my profits, this will be fun.
26:30 BIG TRUE. If I have like under an hour to game there is really not much to do in WoW.
Ion said no driving raid fight in Undermine in an interview
If you stayed till the end you get the leak, W
That comment about I got 30 let me log in and do something quick is a big thing for me. I like the group stuff but I want some more interesting things to interact with in shorter burst 20-30 minute chunks would be awesome to help fill in the gaps.
440 is a fast and furious joke it’s a quarter mile.
Blizzard is going to pull a Blizz with player housing and timegate it somehow. So instead of just having a player house your way they will force you to engage with it. Thats my guess
We're going to Gadgetzan for FUN!
Starting with WowTwt drama goes hard
watched max's reaction to the announcement yesterday and he said m+'ers always gonna complain about how blizzard is gonna ruin the old dungeons and as soon as you guys start talking about motherload growl's like "they are gonna ruin the dungeon" 🤣
Emergency Bench Podcast
Insane
holy shit johnny wowhead with the plunderstorm exclusive.
HUUUUUH INTRO
runescape has always had pretty dope player housing imo
blizzard finally cooking
Player housing is such a waste of time and resources for something that will do nothing for the game. It’s like pet battles. Something we never needed that nearly no one engages with.
That intro😂😂😂😂😂
very nice
Think expectations need to be massively lowered for housing , it’s not going to be what is wanted by everyone at all
WoD was released before ff14arr player housing according to magic google box so growl was probably correct
There werent really many games back then at either level of WoW or ff14 maybe gw2? but no housing there
Wildstar came out earlier that year but I don’t remember it releasing with housing out the gate
SWToR has the best player housing of any game, plz take that standard.
I don't want my own house. A guild hall would go so much further with way less chance to fail. WoW needs something in the game to rebuild the sense of community aspect to the game. Guild Halls would be it!
The ppl that want classic fresh wants it for the leveling and to see all the ppl playing at the same time and the community being alive beofre it disapears once the server starts to die down (the world being alive), i don`t think they care at all about speed clearing raids thats a max level thing when they have completed everything else. Stuff like leveling together and doing Deadmines or SM is hype for that crowd of ppl.
Just waiting for Shaman tank
I hope they are ripping Guild wars Roller bettles
30:02 yep titles suck. Esp when they disappear EVERYTIME you log in 🙃
I like the idea of titles but it's just so broken right now
Cant wait to kick people out of my guild neighborhood for messing up mechanics