I never thought of this, but final patch of BFA (corruption) is similar to PoE. All classes are different, but there is a external power that ALL classes have access to. It helps with balance because you can do what others do...
Blizz should give the same amount of crests for finishing AND depleting the key, that way big part of the leavers in lower keys wouldn't leave. But the main question is for Dratnos: where's the dino pillow? 🤔
I remember reading something a while back that players that were not top rated but good enough to get into +12 easily were intentionally joining 12s or higher and leaving after the key started to keep the season title rating down. Blizzard probably is not banning people for leaving keys after the first pull like 8 or 10 times a week. They are banning people who are leaving keys like hundreds of times a week.
Ngl the felcycle hunt has been keeping me engaged for the last few weeks. Not for everyone for sure, but as my first "secret" it's been a blast engaging with WoW in a different way
8.0 was actually crazy though for World PvP you turned War Mode on for the extra Azerite and did the Mine World Quests and it was a straight up warzone and it was insane fun.
I remember whenever a chest would drop and players from both factions would just swarm like flies to the location, there were actual large-scale battles happening in the open world that they haven't really replicated since then.
One of the most fun things I've ever done in wow was the 30 man tank nyalotha runs on heroic where every tank just equipped as much corruption as they could with unlimited stacks of twilight dev and just blasting and having fun. Everyone had a tank alt at that time cus it was just fun to tank in general, we didnt have this tank drought where people would wait half an hour for a tank to show up to keys. Everyone who disliked the last patch of bfa was cus of the cloak grind but aside from that one thing the last patch of BFA was the most fun wow has been in a long time.
I remember looting the Pyro bracers on my fire mage doing a trial of valor normal run 2 weeks before antorus came out. For weeks I was doing every difficulty of current and old raids, all mythic 0's, world quests etc. Got my avengers shield leg legendary on my prot pally doing a eoa key. Frost dk helm a week before it got nerfed from a halls of valor, but got the empower rune weapon ring the next week from vault of the wardens. The legendary system without the vendor was so frustrating but felt so good when you would get a good legendary.
My dead last Shadow Priest legendary was the belt. The one that enabled the spec to not overcap its cooldowns and let them properly use a 60s rotation.
There needs to be a vote to disband option for those early wipe scenarios. Some people are eternal optimist type players. There are other players are eternally efficient and want to maximize their time. Vote to disband will allow players not to get caught up in a ban wave unfairly.
I wish I played this game during Legion. I started at the end of BFA but Legion seemed so sick. Here’s to hoping for a Legion remix so I can feel what it was like.
legion was dope af but u only knew once it was over, nowadays i regret taking a break on tomb of sargeras tier, at the time it just felt like a normal break like i do every few tiers
On the topic of m+ banning. They might be able to get an AI summary of the chat before and after people left multiple keys as a consolidated printout to get a quick idea of if it was malicious or what not to further investigate.
Legion was just PEAK WoW. Best story for lore nerds. Best class fantasy for rpg enjoyers. Super fast schedule. Suramar was the best endgame zone ever added. People complained about AP and legendaries, but honestly for an avg player it really never mattered. Being a midcore player in the Legion was THE best time to play WoW.
100% agree, but I've gotta be really real... I had almost as much fun in DF. Ik that sounds crazy but the zones in DF were so damn good & full of personality (ESPECIALLY compared to SL), the massive reworks for flying, professions, outdoor content, UI, etc. were an incredible breath of fresh air, and maybe most importantly... the most toxic WoW anti-fans weren't playing AT ALL for the vast majority of the expansion. It just felt so nice to log on.
@@drageras i do think they should do a similar expansion to Legion but with the warband system in place, even making things like ap account wide. Having bad luck legendary vendors and so on.
@@wm-wl8wsonly for players that super tryhard the game and believe they must be BiS to enjoy the game. The thing about legion was it was pre classic. All types of players enjoyed it. Honestly the "must be optimal" mindset has sucked out so much fun from the game.
Legion classic comes out and the mage tower artifact appearances become an account-wide achievement everyone would end up playing classic legion. Just so they can get the appearances they missed when they were either more casual at the game, get a chance to play classes they weren't able to level up during that time cus 110 was level cap.
All of the discussion of the troll behavior in mythic is why I do delves lol. Even though I know it's pretty rare, I just hate the idea of players I don't know being able to influence my gearing.
Tbh I doubt actually timing a key has much impact on leaving. It’s more about tilt. I’ve full wiped on pug 16s and 2 chested it, unless it’s a really bad wipe and a really high key it’s rarely actually bricked. People just get annoyed and leave, which is kinda fair. A lot of people would rather go next and have a smooth run than suffer through a rough key even if you end up timing it. The only real solution I can think of is making the completion vs. in time keys more separate and having harsher penalties for leavers in completion keys
In DF S4 I was pugging lots of keys and saw plenty of Quel'thalas and Ragnaros DH tanks who just left randomly for no reason. Not even from a wipe. They just left for whatever reason because they got triggered or something.
Idk what it is about BR players but they just rage and think they're better than they actually are. I remember when league came out with player stats and a plat player in the BR region was the same skill level as silver NA and bronze KR players. I just avoid those servers in pugs. Usually the dps are pretty good but my lord if you get a DH tank good luck 😂
@@Sargaxiist2022 i might be wrong, but having talked to people from south america and africa at different jbo i had, they dont seem to have the same performance mentality we have. might be isolated cases, but thats what ive understood from em
Same man, got to 2990 io and can’t even get groups to push further. To reroll meta spec im looking at 90 dungeons. Hard to find people to make a push group with. Mythic raid being locked to groups I can’t put it either… I don’t have 6 hours a week of time I can set aside. I need to be able to log on and off when I want to. Guess wow isn’t for me anymore
@@jacobmitchell9227Sounds like you got your money worth if you made it that far. I just play a new character when I get bored, no need to rush to the same ilvl it’s all getting replaced in the next patch
Ngl usually m+ keeps me playing throughout the whole season after I get KSH cus I usually gear alts and help people/pugs out trying to earn KSM or KSH but m+ this season has just been the most unfun experience its been in a while... Like even trying to pug keys around KSM/KSH range is miserable and annoying 90% of the time and not fun.
I will never leave a 10 or lower. People want the look crest or vault. 12s and higher i ask are we completing or what. Then if something goes wrong we all understand it's over.
M+ should have a long leaver penalty and an abandon feature so the group can agree to give up the key. I am trying to learn how to do 12s and of the 10 I've posted/joined I have had a leaver in every single one. How am I supposed to learn to get better if people refuse to fail some keys.
start of legion was fucking terrible lmao. "Oh you don't have the bis legendary, well someone in the guild has, I'm sorry you're benched" Not to mention emerald nightmare was a complete dissapointment.
I wanted to comment on the early section of the episode when they were talking about when they would/wouldn't turn their streams on. In no way would I ever want to pressure any content creator to turn their stream on when they aren't feeling it or simply don't want to, but I think I can speak for a lot of people when I say a big part of why I tune into my favorite streamers is because I find them fun to have on and they create an atmosphere that's just fun to hang out in, and the game they're playing is almost irrelevant. Some of my favorite times watching Max have been when he hasn't been playing WoW (shout out to The Quarry and the werebalds (if you know you know)). I respect all of these guys and the work they've put in and I do hope they're able to be in a position where they can turn streams on when they want and never feel pressured to go live just for the sake of putting out content, I just want to express how much it means to a lot of folks (myself included) to have familiar, welcoming, and fun streamers to get content from and that we don't take their efforts for granted :)
you meet 4 people to do difficult content. the players skill level or the group itself isnt cohesive enough to play at that level of content. you pay 15.00 a month. you should be able to choose who you want to or not want to play with. When I leave I add them to an addon that notifies me with a note when they are in my group, so I do not play with those specific players again. if you look at it from a time perspective, if you do time the key and they didn’t interrupt a single spell, didn’t know aby mechanics, you not only chance wasting your time but another 4 peoples when they queue for another group. every 8 i 3 chest for gildeds i think to myself how i just wasted 4 peoples time in that persons next key.
so its kinda feel wired cus 9.1 is difently the worst patch sins i start playing in bfa but 8.1.5 is where blizz chengs to be more like thy ar now and honestly mi8ght be the best patch with how much QoL it added
Also cata is the start of retail is such an old take. That was 14 years ago, and if you play cata, it's COMPLETELY different from retail. Retail started with WOD 1000%
M+ usually keeps people/casuals more entertained and playing but its just a very miserable experience this season. A lot of more casual players used partake in m+ but since its such a hassle this season people just don't wanna waste time with it, tanking and healing have been made more difficult so que times have increased by a crap ton due to lack of players in those roles. More casual players trying to even run dungeons have to wait 20-30 mins to find a tank in certain key levels that they would just rather not play instead of waiting for people to show up. Just a lot of problems in the repeatable gameplay system that made people not wanna play it thereby making more people play less. So majority raid log, open vault, do one dungeon and stop for the week.
I never thought of this, but final patch of BFA (corruption) is similar to PoE. All classes are different, but there is a external power that ALL classes have access to. It helps with balance because you can do what others do...
Blizz should give the same amount of crests for finishing AND depleting the key, that way big part of the leavers in lower keys wouldn't leave. But the main question is for Dratnos: where's the dino pillow? 🤔
3 hours ? Boys giving us free content on this thanksgiving!
I remember reading something a while back that players that were not top rated but good enough to get into +12 easily were intentionally joining 12s or higher and leaving after the key started to keep the season title rating down. Blizzard probably is not banning people for leaving keys after the first pull like 8 or 10 times a week. They are banning people who are leaving keys like hundreds of times a week.
Dorki's icon is so chill
Ngl the felcycle hunt has been keeping me engaged for the last few weeks. Not for everyone for sure, but as my first "secret" it's been a blast engaging with WoW in a different way
8.0 was actually crazy though for World PvP you turned War Mode on for the extra Azerite and did the Mine World Quests and it was a straight up warzone and it was insane fun.
I remember whenever a chest would drop and players from both factions would just swarm like flies to the location, there were actual large-scale battles happening in the open world that they haven't really replicated since then.
One of the most fun things I've ever done in wow was the 30 man tank nyalotha runs on heroic where every tank just equipped as much corruption as they could with unlimited stacks of twilight dev and just blasting and having fun. Everyone had a tank alt at that time cus it was just fun to tank in general, we didnt have this tank drought where people would wait half an hour for a tank to show up to keys. Everyone who disliked the last patch of bfa was cus of the cloak grind but aside from that one thing the last patch of BFA was the most fun wow has been in a long time.
Bro 30 tanks nylotha all with twilight dev was actually the most fun I had on wow since timeless isle.
I remember looting the Pyro bracers on my fire mage doing a trial of valor normal run 2 weeks before antorus came out. For weeks I was doing every difficulty of current and old raids, all mythic 0's, world quests etc. Got my avengers shield leg legendary on my prot pally doing a eoa key. Frost dk helm a week before it got nerfed from a halls of valor, but got the empower rune weapon ring the next week from vault of the wardens. The legendary system without the vendor was so frustrating but felt so good when you would get a good legendary.
My dead last Shadow Priest legendary was the belt.
The one that enabled the spec to not overcap its cooldowns and let them properly use a 60s rotation.
There needs to be a vote to disband option for those early wipe scenarios. Some people are eternal optimist type players. There are other players are eternally efficient and want to maximize their time. Vote to disband will allow players not to get caught up in a ban wave unfairly.
When I can't find games to play, I just find novels to read.
Max randomly asking dorki did u go to school was completely unhinged
8.2 getting A tier despite the travesty of Benthic, Eternal Palace, and adding Essence grind on top of AP grind is insane.
people that demand PI and leave dungeons also listen to the bench podcast
I wish I played this game during Legion. I started at the end of BFA but Legion seemed so sick. Here’s to hoping for a Legion remix so I can feel what it was like.
honestly it really was, didnt realise it at the time but thats the best the game has ever been imo
legion was dope af but u only knew once it was over, nowadays i regret taking a break on tomb of sargeras tier, at the time it just felt like a normal break like i do every few tiers
Legion was PEAK
You did feel the hype later in Legion, or at least to me, because you dropped just as randomly the item to trade in for the legendary you wanted.
On the topic of m+ banning. They might be able to get an AI summary of the chat before and after people left multiple keys as a consolidated printout to get a quick idea of if it was malicious or what not to further investigate.
Legion was just PEAK WoW. Best story for lore nerds. Best class fantasy for rpg enjoyers. Super fast schedule. Suramar was the best endgame zone ever added.
People complained about AP and legendaries, but honestly for an avg player it really never mattered. Being a midcore player in the Legion was THE best time to play WoW.
100% agree, but I've gotta be really real... I had almost as much fun in DF.
Ik that sounds crazy but the zones in DF were so damn good & full of personality (ESPECIALLY compared to SL), the massive reworks for flying, professions, outdoor content, UI, etc. were an incredible breath of fresh air, and maybe most importantly... the most toxic WoW anti-fans weren't playing AT ALL for the vast majority of the expansion.
It just felt so nice to log on.
@@drageras i do think they should do a similar expansion to Legion but with the warband system in place, even making things like ap account wide. Having bad luck legendary vendors and so on.
L take, legion launch was one of the worst patches in the game and AP / legendary acquisition was utter garbage
@@wm-wl8wsonly for players that super tryhard the game and believe they must be BiS to enjoy the game. The thing about legion was it was pre classic. All types of players enjoyed it. Honestly the "must be optimal" mindset has sucked out so much fun from the game.
Ineffable Truth corruption was so insanely fun on my paladin in Visions of Nzoth
The yapping makes work go by so much quicker always great
Legion classic comes out and the mage tower artifact appearances become an account-wide achievement everyone would end up playing classic legion. Just so they can get the appearances they missed when they were either more casual at the game, get a chance to play classes they weren't able to level up during that time cus 110 was level cap.
All of the discussion of the troll behavior in mythic is why I do delves lol. Even though I know it's pretty rare, I just hate the idea of players I don't know being able to influence my gearing.
Tbh I doubt actually timing a key has much impact on leaving. It’s more about tilt. I’ve full wiped on pug 16s and 2 chested it, unless it’s a really bad wipe and a really high key it’s rarely actually bricked. People just get annoyed and leave, which is kinda fair. A lot of people would rather go next and have a smooth run than suffer through a rough key even if you end up timing it. The only real solution I can think of is making the completion vs. in time keys more separate and having harsher penalties for leavers in completion keys
FIRST FOR DRATTY
Imagine being an adult and having a temper tantrum over not getting PI lmao, actual baby shit.
In DF S4 I was pugging lots of keys and saw plenty of Quel'thalas and Ragnaros DH tanks who just left randomly for no reason. Not even from a wipe. They just left for whatever reason because they got triggered or something.
Idk what it is about BR players but they just rage and think they're better than they actually are.
I remember when league came out with player stats and a plat player in the BR region was the same skill level as silver NA and bronze KR players.
I just avoid those servers in pugs. Usually the dps are pretty good but my lord if you get a DH tank good luck 😂
@@Sargaxiist2022 i might be wrong, but having talked to people from south america and africa at different jbo i had, they dont seem to have the same performance mentality we have. might be isolated cases, but thats what ive understood from em
Looks like I found a new 3 hour video to fall asleep to. 😴
I am waiting for Dratnos to start streaming again! POE2 will be quite welcome as well.
Max should play classic wow
For me, this expansion started STRONG. I was having fun. It ended up being too fractured, too drawn apart and I'm ready to move on.
Same man, got to 2990 io and can’t even get groups to push further. To reroll meta spec im looking at 90 dungeons. Hard to find people to make a push group with. Mythic raid being locked to groups I can’t put it either… I don’t have 6 hours a week of time I can set aside. I need to be able to log on and off when I want to. Guess wow isn’t for me anymore
@@jacobmitchell9227Sounds like you got your money worth if you made it that far. I just play a new character when I get bored, no need to rush to the same ilvl it’s all getting replaced in the next patch
Ngl usually m+ keeps me playing throughout the whole season after I get KSH cus I usually gear alts and help people/pugs out trying to earn KSM or KSH but m+ this season has just been the most unfun experience its been in a while... Like even trying to pug keys around KSM/KSH range is miserable and annoying 90% of the time and not fun.
I will never leave a 10 or lower. People want the look crest or vault. 12s and higher i ask are we completing or what. Then if something goes wrong we all understand it's over.
8.2 was an amazing patch for me. It made me switch to FF14 so I got to miss dogshit like Sanctum. Didn't fully come back until 10.1
Dorki got the average low to mid lvl m+ pug
Now I'm just curious about what concert Dorki showed them
when you ar talking about 9.2 the power in the zoone was you need honerd i think to get the recipe for the lego
Dorky wants to rant but he’s just a cool guy
M+ should have a long leaver penalty and an abandon feature so the group can agree to give up the key. I am trying to learn how to do 12s and of the 10 I've posted/joined I have had a leaver in every single one. How am I supposed to learn to get better if people refuse to fail some keys.
Someone get Max on the GW2 grind lol
idk, awakened where the meta was just do them all with the last boss was weird
start of legion was fucking terrible lmao. "Oh you don't have the bis legendary, well someone in the guild has, I'm sorry you're benched" Not to mention emerald nightmare was a complete dissapointment.
Yooo 502 gang out here 😂 I’m from/in Louisville KY
max needs to play hardcore
lmao max really thinks the average wow player is farther away from WF raiding than the NFL. Absolutely giga bad take lmao.
Wait does banning players for leaving incentivize people to only bring certain classes even more ??
You guys are two days early again? 😕😕
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
Max is not in a relationship? Dang... his gf worked for riot games if i remember?
I hated Legion because of awful AP grind and bad legendary RNG.
I wanted to comment on the early section of the episode when they were talking about when they would/wouldn't turn their streams on. In no way would I ever want to pressure any content creator to turn their stream on when they aren't feeling it or simply don't want to, but I think I can speak for a lot of people when I say a big part of why I tune into my favorite streamers is because I find them fun to have on and they create an atmosphere that's just fun to hang out in, and the game they're playing is almost irrelevant. Some of my favorite times watching Max have been when he hasn't been playing WoW (shout out to The Quarry and the werebalds (if you know you know)). I respect all of these guys and the work they've put in and I do hope they're able to be in a position where they can turn streams on when they want and never feel pressured to go live just for the sake of putting out content, I just want to express how much it means to a lot of folks (myself included) to have familiar, welcoming, and fun streamers to get content from and that we don't take their efforts for granted :)
you meet 4 people to do difficult content.
the players skill level or the group itself isnt cohesive enough to play at that level of content. you pay 15.00 a month. you should be able to choose who you want to or not want to play with. When I leave I add them to an addon that notifies me with a note when they are in my group, so I do not play with those specific players again.
if you look at it from a time perspective, if you do time the key and they didn’t interrupt a single spell, didn’t know aby mechanics, you not only chance wasting your time but another 4 peoples when they queue for another group.
every 8 i 3 chest for gildeds i think to myself how i just wasted 4 peoples time in that persons next key.
Another tier list 😂
I'm sorry, does this say 3 fucking hours?
so its kinda feel wired cus 9.1 is difently the worst patch sins i start playing in bfa but 8.1.5 is where blizz chengs to be more like thy ar now and honestly mi8ght be the best patch with how much QoL it added
Visions is the best the game has been since MOP. Also we need more hate for War within, game is awful rn
Also cata is the start of retail is such an old take. That was 14 years ago, and if you play cata, it's COMPLETELY different from retail. Retail started with WOD 1000%
Idk if I’ve ever seen wow fall off a cliff this early in the season
M+ usually keeps people/casuals more entertained and playing but its just a very miserable experience this season. A lot of more casual players used partake in m+ but since its such a hassle this season people just don't wanna waste time with it, tanking and healing have been made more difficult so que times have increased by a crap ton due to lack of players in those roles. More casual players trying to even run dungeons have to wait 20-30 mins to find a tank in certain key levels that they would just rather not play instead of waiting for people to show up. Just a lot of problems in the repeatable gameplay system that made people not wanna play it thereby making more people play less. So majority raid log, open vault, do one dungeon and stop for the week.
visions of nzoth is overrated af
3hour episode with no topic tags...
Imagine watching ads. I get YT premium free with my Google play account. Stay small peasants.
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