The same exact literal thing happened to my Sig MPX-K that was manufactured 9 May 2019. I had shoulder adapter and In Lead We Trust trilug adapter and it throws rounds everywhere with and without Ti-Rant on. What are options, to spend a bunch of money and get an 8 inch barrel from either ILWT or SIG actual and take a chance on it not working.
You're not the only one. My friend sent me a text message after I released this video telling me he bought a MPX-k too and like me, his shot all over the place with his SilencerCo tri-lug and silencer. live.staticflickr.com/65535/48180251001_4e198726c3_b.jpg It may be more widespread than I thought.
I get on the phone with SIG and they say to send rifle and if it passes their spec I will have to pay, but he can’t describe to me their standards or what is in spec. BLUF, if I can’t take a sub gun and hit an obscured target behind something I don’t want to hit, it is a paper weight right. On top of it is 1700 dollar gun that should be working. Thanks for posting this video because I have been looking on internet for the last 3 weeks trying to find somebody with this same exact issue.
@@JB-mv1fn ...and that's why I don't deal with Sig's customer support. I bought one of their early 1911's and it went full-auto on me in an indoor range (the store I bought it at). I called Sig while at the store and they told me it was likely the ammo and the gun wasn't broken in yet. LOL. I let the guys behind the counter hear the conversation. Needless to say they took the 1911 back and I picked something else up.
jackal2001a what specifics on barrel you got. I was basically going to go with ILWT with the trilugs on the barrel, which to be seems like a better option to begin with.
The problem is actually the Griffin 3 lug adapter. I went through a similar trial and error process couple years ago with my gen2 and three new adapters. Griffin's MPX metric adapter indexes on the muzzle, which is correct for metric threading. But when torqued down too much, the muzzle crown/adapter interface inside is warping, instead of being an absolute solid stop. The issue is either 1) the steel material Griffin used is too soft compared to the barrel, or 2) the manufacturing of the adapter is not up to official 13.5x1LH specs (interface circumference area too thin). Shine a flashlight inside a used adapter and you'll see the interface edges deformed/ragged. The Sig barrels are actually fine and the threading is true. If you direct thread a silencer using a normal quality metric piston, you will find that it easily shoots same-hole accuracy. The tapered barrel is unfortunately an inconvenience as it limits other options that could utilize a squared shoulder. I would not trust a trivial slip-on doughnut adapter since we can't confirm if the outside taper was designed concentric with the bore. Even if it was, there's still tolerance-stacking risk in play with slip-ons. I just gave up on the 3-lug system altogether (sloppy standards anyway) and stuck with trusty ole direct thread on the MPX.
The Griffin adapter preceded the taper muzzle system. It works on other 13.5x1LH guns. We have some customers that had good results with the Sig barrels, others that didn't. It's hard to know what isn't working when the Sig product isn't consistently interacting with the parts. My guess would be the device sometimes bottoms on the taper, and the MI taper shoulder ring isn't square. We make one of those rings too. Ours has 100% of the datums cut on the main spindle. So they are square to about .0003" which is as accurate as can happen in modern manufacturing. It's not ideal to have to retrofit a shoulder. The Sig tapered shoulder isn't good for that reason.
Unfortunately paying premium price no longer guarantees top performance . Just a sign of the times . Incompetence is a daily occurrence on every level .
@Thystaff Thywill UNFORTUNATELY It used to be true. While in Production Colt Pythons were worth the extra bucks. Same for the S&W 27s and 29s. The Pre model 64 Winchesters were certainly worth the money. Genx, Millennials et al always buy the next best thing. They stand in line for the latest made in China iPhone. But planned obsolescence was something Detroit was into in the 60's and 70's
@Thystaff Thywill So Sigs poor quality is because of tariffs? Sig started making some of its guns in the USA because of Germany's export restrictions. Germany restricted the types and where the firearms could be exported. US manufacturing gave them a loophole. FN has no problem with quality control in their US facilities. Beretta had to produce M9s in the USA to get the Army contracts and had no problems other than the original design of the slides. They have no problems with quality control. As to tariffs, When the the Constitution was written there were very few sources of revenue i.e. taxes. Tariffs were one of the few sources of taxes. Tariffs were also designed to protect and encourage local production. Excise taxes were another source. Remember the Whiskey Rebellion. I think you are confusing the taxes on the exports of Southern Cotton with Tariffs. The South was angered US was using their major source of income to fund the Federal Government. But WTF?
Anyone who actually knows anything about these guns knows that either version of the gun will run either version of the mags. I personally have a gen 2, which does have obvious differences including the change in forward rail from gen 1, and utilize two gen 3 mags and 6 gen 1 mags interchangeably with no differences.
Got my MPX-K a month ago and she's performed flawlessly so far. 2 misfeeds but I'm shooting crappy ball ammo. Love the Timney trigger too, MPK-K is a beast.
@B real only ever owned 3 US made guns. But living in the UK the government made me sell them all to them! My M1 Garand was a nice enough bit of kit, 1952 manufactured, my Springfield 1911 managed to break it's safety catch just before it's 9th birthday, but gods do I miss my 1987 manufactured S&W 586! Just got bolt actions, shotguns and .22 semi autos now. Bloody annoying, I used to be pretty good at IPSC shooting....
Its the same with another gun that people never took seriously to start with; the Desert Eagle. When it was made by IMI/IWI they were great, well made guns. Now the Q.C. on them are complete shit
brendan byrd haha exactly. If i find it for cheap i will use it for practice ammo. But I would never carry it. Them making ammo and expecting it to sell just based on their “Name” is like the cheap browning and S&W knives that are made in China lol
Aside from a 10mm P220, I have dumped all of my Sigs, because I’m tired of their BS! Switched over to CZ almost exclusively now. Thanks for the info Tim, just confirms my feelings about Sig nowadays.
The consistent variable in all of the failures is your after market tri-lug adapter. Everyone has tolerances for their parts and can't anticipate every combination the consumer will use; you get the wrong combination of high and low dimensions, you get problems.
My MPX K is a Gen 3 with Timney trigger ultra accurate. I have not touched the barrel and do not intend to suppress it. It shoots 1,5 inch group at my 36yd zero. 2 inch groups at 50yds, It shoots 6 groups at 100yds indoor gun range. The limiting factor is my 62 year old eyes. I pulled off my Romeo5 red dot and installed a Primary Arms 1x6x24 Nova to actually see as far as this little PCC can shoot. For accuracy it prefers Speer 147 TMJ and JHP or Federal 147 TMJ or HST. I have shot 2500rds with no failures using the newer Thril 35 round mags
You seem like the only person other than myself who saw that, with the birdcage on, the grouping was the same as the Gen 1 with the 3rd party tri lug. It makes me laugh that the sheepole (sheep and people for the slow) that hang on Macs every word, and they keep parroting his words "the threads aren't concentric to bore" maybe try another adapter? I have seen people mention "well why did it work on the 1st Gen and not the 2nd Gen" well maybe just maybe, because IT'S SECOND GEN AND SOMETHING CHANGED! Assumption is the mother of all fu*k ups, never assume you know what some manufacturers are going to do because YOU think it's right, they are in the business to make money, not cater to CZ fan boi's or the like. (and I own both CZ Scorpion and MPX GEN 2 with tri lug mount)
The best 2A organization currently is the SAF. The guys who are too busy actually fighting in court to grandstand and promote themselves on a daily basis. I do agree that every gun owning patriot should join some 2A group, hopefully more than one. Unfortunately 95% of gun owners have taken a knee in this fight for far too long.
I purchased an MPX-K FDE in 08-18, (manufactured in 04-18) three lug, Tyrant 45, no issues, no gassing. Groups consistent. Crazy that these are so far off from each other.
M.L. Evans was it the the barrel adaptor or the tri lug adaptor on the silencer and which manufacturer? Just curious as my Form 4 just got approved and was planning on purchasing the shorty tri lug adaptor from Silencerco for my Omega9k to mate to my Evo.
GrigglesTheTexan not my concern. ML Evans said that he had an issue with a tri lug adaptor on his Evo and I just want to avoid a similar outcome and not waste money on a POS part.
My K shoots fine with a Gemtech GM-9, but I’m using a threaded adapter, not tri lug. So yes you can use another manufactures suppressor. I even use a binary trigger too.
I've got similar issues with Radical Firearm's. My 16" upper receiver and barrel combo is currently shooting about 10 moa at a hundred yards. It's going back to Radical. I'm sure it's a problem with the crown since that is the last thing the bullet touches as it exit's the barrel. We'll see. Thanks for your fair and balanced review.
I bought an mpx off a guy who had the barrel cut to 4.5 inches and threaded to 1/2x28. Suppressed it with a liberty mystic x. With 115gr ammo it shot 6 inch groups at 20 yards but 2 inch groups with 147gr. Ultimately I replaced the barrel with a 4.5 inch barrel from ILWT and I easily get 1 inch at 20 yards regardless of the ammo and regardless if I have the can on it or not. "Gen 2" btw
Ryan Buntrock - I rewatched that part. I really was hoping Sig would be way better with their product line. Being a former soldier, M-9 era, I am concerned for our next Gen of soldiers and defective firearms. I don’t think I will even try to purchase a P365 now. Way to much hype, way to much $, for spotty performances, at best.
Oh man. Thanks for the info. I’m a 1st gen MCX owner (with its BCG issues) and was considering getting an MPX G2 - give them time to “work out any bugs.” Now I know better 👍🏾
My only experience with Sig was my P229 and my girl's P226 - always thought of them as top-shelf. This is eye-opening. Just goes to show brand loyalty can bite you, if you don't know what you're buying.
M13.5x1lh doesnt require a shoulder where the threads end. it shoulders at the end of the barrel, AKA where the threads start. hence why a taper adapter is not needed AND why it is making your shots go wild. you are not allowing the trilug to seat properly.
I don't own one of these but a friend of mine asked me to test his because I'm a little more experienced with guns and I've had more training on marksmanship. He thought it was just him so he asked me to go shoot with him. And I ran into the same thing and even got another friend who is an marksmanship instructor in the army and he had the same problem when he and I took it out. So you're not alone.
I am glad I watched this! I owned a P226 and Sigs 380 pistols about 20 yrs. ago and I have to say they were the best pistols I had ever owned, and shooting for over fifty years thats a lot of pistols. I am 66 yrs. now and was looking seriously at the copperhead for a very small package carbine, thought it would be a good one for an old geezer. I think you changed my mind. Did you ever do a video on the copper head?.
@@jason200912 Have you watched MAC's 365 review? Though it is not a representation of all the 365's I would be extremely weary to purchase one, even though I am hearing the issues have been corrected since. That being said its still SIG so who knows.
I have seen tri-lug adapters produce these results on mp5s. The best way to test this is to try a direct thread suppressor. I’m not a fan of Sig, but this seems like Tim is on a war path with Sig. regardless, he could avoid that appearance if he did what a lot of us are suggesting: try it with a direct thread suppressor.
eddie vanhalen I didn’t buy into the hype of the 320. The 365 got me because of the size. I knew it was inferior to the Glock. Sig likes to give guns away to “win” contracts.
eddie vanhalen also the premature wear shown by testers in “torture testing” and for those that say that torture tests aren’t fair or accurate- you never seen what soldiers can do to gear. I predict after a few years and several thousand rounds the .gov will be looking to upgrade or replace all those perfect M17s
Love what you do. Seen all your Sig videos. I find it hard to believe you have that bad of luck. They just don't make the same quality of product. Not a new story. Kimber use to be my go to. Not anymore. Same with Bushmaster. Now I would rather have a Windham. Had a silly story with Para Ordnance. Bought a Tac 4. Was pumped. 4 1/4 barrel, 14 round cap. White box Winchester, lit strikes on 25 out of 50 rounds. Pulled out my Springfield Armory 1911 A1. Fired them all. Tried another box of the same ammo with the Tac 4. Same thing. Called Para. Was told " You need to break it in. "
Shoulder adapter is probably vicing the muzzle down enough to squeeze the bullet and entirely throw off point of impact. It’s small, so the pressure is focused on a small surface area.
My Gen1 has the same issue. It only happens with a trilug though. I used an Osprey with XL piston and barrel spacer and the gun shoots perfectly. I think the issue is honestly the tri lugs. So I don’t use it anymore. I use direct thread Osprey. Looks stupid as hell, but it shoots right groups. Now I only use tri-lug for my Zenith MP5. That thing shoots great with any can on it.
No good deed goes unpunished. 😂Meanwhile, a friend of mine bought a MPX-k and texted me today saying he's having the same accuracy problem using a SilencerCo tri-lug and silencer. live.staticflickr.com/65535/48180251001_4e198726c3_b.jpg
It's not just me in this case. A friend is having the same problem with his using SilencerCo gear: live.staticflickr.com/65535/48180251001_4e198726c3_b.jpg
Someone has to I suppose. Some folks, judging by the comments, would rather I pretend it's normal for guns not to work as expected. Not every gun is rainbows and unicorns.
With the longer barrel gun you have more space to use the barrel like expansion chamber. That guard can fit a suppressor inside. You just need a shoulder near the begining of the barrel to hold the suppressor. You will get much better results.
MAC--I have a sig "black pearl" p238 that is completely reliable, but the model has been out for years and is not a "newbie". Based in part on your reviews, both myself and a family member purchased pistols made in Germany--Walther ppq and h&k vp9..Sig wasn't even considered although they had an excellent reputation in the past..
I will take you for your word that the barrel is off. My issue is how would the site have been zeroed in the first place if the barrel was flawed and shots going a stray?
The crown and the rifling is fine, it is the use of the taper and threads that introduced inconsistencies to the bullet path. If Sig was not so strident about forcing buyers to only use their silencers this would more than likely not be an issue.
MAC the only thing I can think of that is causing the shot desperation with all of the muzzle devices tested is the barrel threads are not concentric to the centerline of the bore. That would explain why you get tight groups without any muzzle device and shot dispersion with muzzle devices attched.
I ordered a SIG716-G2 to replace my SCAR 17S (which I ditched after the warranty fiasco - won't touch FN again, no matter how much I want a M249S). I call it my Bob Ross SIG - it was a happy little mistake. Since I ordered the Patrol variant, I expected the gas block length heavy DickMod...sorry...KeyMod hand guard. When I got the box, I thought that I had gotten the DMR variant since it had the full length M-LOK rail. But it had the standard trigger instead of the Geissele trigger that the DMRs come with and the B5 stock instead of the Magpul stock. Certainly not complaining - I prefer M-LOK over KeyMod. But I know how you feel about SIG's QC. So far, I've had no issues with any of my SIGs - 2x P320s (one will be SBR'd into a USW-320 chassis) - MPX-K "Gen 2" (haven't shot it suppressed yet, was planning on running a SRD9 on it anyways - still planning on SBRing this) - MCX "Frankenstein" (ordered a MCX Rattler lower and put a MCX "legacy" upper on it - will likely end up SBRing this and keeping the 11.5" "legacy" upper on it) - M400 Tread (may SBR this and turn it into a shortly 516-G2) - SIG516-G2 (FDE - and SIG doesn't seem to sell shorty uppers in FDE for SBRing FDE 516s) - SIG716-G2 Patrol/DMR Bastard Love Child
Well, sig fan boi, the gen 1 had no issues with the crappy muzzle device and the Sig factory muzzle device even decreased accuracy. So its probably a barrel threading issue.
03cobratech no other gun made with a threaded barrel can only shoot decent groups with the factory muzzle device. If that is the case, why even thread the barrel? Just press on the muzzle device and weld the piss out of it to keep the “poors” and the “idiots” from meddling with it
@@Militaryarmschannel indeed that is a reason. I only use mine for limited night shoots for hunting so I can see where you are coming from. I was just adding experience with that particular method.
@@Militaryarmschannel Wouldn't a direct mount, left-handed thread, tighten as it was used? I suppose you could still have carbon build up on the barrel threads over time, and possible carbon lock? Beside those issues, one benefit to direct thread is it keeps you total package shorter... ;)
Taper mounts are a good idea when done right. Just as with squared shoulders, if done wrong it creates problems. For example, I built a rifle for a customer last year that mounted a Faxon barrel. It shot MOA with a muzzle brake in place, but the bullets would not even strike cardboard when a suppressor was attached. No amount of tweaking or machining would fix it. In the end I sent it back to Faxon for examination. They determined the muzzle threads and shoulder had been cut slightly off center and could not be made concentric. Their replacement barrel worked great. Sometimes you get a lemon. In the case of Sig it's a question of whether they are producing the odd lemon or making lemonade.
Just picked up my MPX K manufactured 2020 and I thankfully do not have this issue, I zeroed the gun at 50 with the stock muzzle device and when I swapped it to the YHM QD flash hider the difference was not noticeable.
Sig use to be a good company..bought three products that all failed..sig new Hampshire is a joke..polymer Japanese junk...cooked a romeo5 on a m92 (gas tube mwi rail mounted) on a 91 degree day...4 mags n dot went out ...that was the last straw..never by sig again unless it's an old school German made...
Manufacturers will have some issues with some of the items they manufacture. A small percentage. I have had great luck with glock but i recently had an issue with a G17 barrel. I replaced it with a Faxon barrel. That fixed the isse. I still love my Glock, but i had a bad barrel.
For a small percentage I seem to keep stumbling into issues with Sig's. Here's a list of bad Sig's I've gotten, and I've likely forgotten a few: 1911, P220, 556R, Xi (twice), 551A1, P365 (twice), MPX-k. On the positive side, my P226, P226 Mk25, P226 Legion, MPX Gen 1, and Rattler work fine. I love my Rattler.
See the difference between paying high prices for firearms and not is quality control. Manufacturers should be testing their firearms before they ship them when charging this much for them. It's not like you're buying a PSA for cheap, you're paying premium here and getting untested QA failures.
Every platform from every manufacturer has had their fair share of problems, it doesn’t matter whether you spend hundreds or thousands if you can hit the intended target then what is the problem. I personally have a mpx-k with a tri lug, running a obsidian 9 and have zero complaints. Oh and a drive a Ford
Friend bought one of these sigs - his shoots like ass when you puts a can on it. At least it was expensive. He bought the thing with the intent to put a can on it. I’m glad he buys stuff like this to teach me sigs are still making crap a good portion of the time. I won’t give a nickel to these guys anymore. I’ve learned my lesson from being issued a sig for duty long ago and seeing their products since.
Interesting. A buddy of mine sent me a text this morning after watching this video and he too is having the same problem using a SilencerCo adapter and silencer. live.staticflickr.com/65535/48180251001_4e198726c3_b.jpg
Military grade= lowest bidder . Astronaut Gene cernan was a steely eyed missile man until the thought passed through his head that everything on the rocket he was riding on was built by the lowest bidders. Bueracrats only understand spreadsheet logic, they have no understanding of design elegance or non standard indicator's for quality
So in the last 6 months I acquired a Sig rattler and a p365. I have had no problems with either and was on my way to become a fanboy, but after seeing other people having problems with various Sig models I am hesitant to buy anymore of their products.
My SIG MPX K 4.5" Gen3 is grouping around 2.5" at 25yds, with the factory birdcage, resting on a Coletac shooting bag. I'm using a Steiner MRS 3MOA red dot. The ammo is RUAG 9x19 124grs. Is this within specs? IMO it's not bad, but not good either.
@@fishingtwister I've just used it with the OEM flash hider yet. The funny thing, it's still within spec according to SIG. Also the competitor, the Brügger&Thomet APC9 Pro G would be. 3"@25yds is still within spec... quite disappointing for the retail price and allegedly advanced operation principle.
Chevy has proprietary tools and fixtures. Ford has proprietor tools and assemblies. Dodge, etc, etc Sig works great with Sig stuff. Not good, not bad. Just is
It would be worth a check to see if the bolts holding the barrel to the receiver were not properly torqued. Best to remove the barrel, clean out the receiver, reseat the barrel and torque the retaining bolts in the proper order and try again, first with the bird cage FH, then with the 3 lug adapter and then finally with the suppressor to see if the results change (better, worse, the same).
That is the most asinine excuse I've ever heard. Suppressors arent made for ONE gun. And making a gun incapable of using anything BUT one suppressor style is not only pretty sleazy, its playing your customers for suckers when you claim they will still work anyway, or tell them to buy more shit to make it work. Like apple. Only apple could take away features then sell them back to you as "accessories"
BuhLakeh exactly. That is the kind of treatment you get from a complacent company. Seems like Sig is riding the million off of the government contract and is selling customer “whatever” they throw together.
You both are absolutely dense. If he takes the mount off and there’s no issue, then it’s not the gun. Maybe you should look at a reviewer that has enough common sense to DA the suppressor that’s meant to be on the weapon system.
Still cant believe the novice level of testing. There are so many errors it's not even funny. You could simply have a small peice of carbon in the 3 lug mount I challenge you @militaryarmschanel to send me that exact 3 lug adapter to inspect in a machine shop inspection room. I also am a FFL and SOT. You prove nothing other tha. There is nothing wrong with the gun as it shoots the smallest group of all with no muzzle device at all showing there are only problems with your muzzle device. Ill send you a copy of my ffl and sot if you send the upper and 3 lug and I'll give you and aerospace accurate printout of the actual readings. And for all the clowns claiming how their cz is so far superior I cant help but laugh. Mac I hope you take me seriously and consider this
I'm so glad I didn't get a sig pistol for my edc pistol. Their quality is hi point but their price is top shelf. You cannot live on your company name for long if you're consistently putting out garbage. Sig used to be a solid performer and has really let thierself go.
My god, my MPX is doing the exact same shit with the same tri-Lug and shoulder adapter. I even got a 14” group at 25yrds. My B&T ghm9 with the 4” barrel and tri-lug adapter is a little tack driver. This MPX I bought is absolute garbage. Sent it into sig, they sent back 6 targets with 1” groups at 25 meters using 115 blazer. Didn’t do anything to it. I bring it home, strap it in a lead sled and shoulder it and it’s best group is 5” with the A2 and several different bullets and weights. Worst group, 14”. Insane. Im going to try the 8” ILWT barrel.
As a scorpion owner, im tired of everybody in every pcc comment section talking about how great it is. Yes its a good gun but cz fanboys are just annoying.
My money is on the barrel geometry right before the threads. As soon as you mount something on there, it throws the harmonics or stresses the barrel and it throws the shots. Threads that aren’t concentric shouldn’t change anything when you mount a flash hider.
I'd suggest an in lead we trust barrel. I started with an 8" gen 2 MPX and swapped the barrel for a 4.5" with integral 3 lug AND 1/2x28 with shoulder! I'm using a gen 1 Griffin Revolution 9 with the Rugged 3 lug mount. Suppressor fits half way under the hand guard and looks like an MP5-SD. In lead we trust also sells a 3 lug linear comp which extends the barrel past the hand guard for unsuppressed use (like the shot timer during competitions).
Just curious, have you shot any other ammo out of it? Seems like a design flaw but just asking bc mr gng blew up one of his friends rifles while using this ammo. Didnt know if theres a connection or not. Thought maybe the powder could be caking things up in the suppressor, barrel or gas tube? Idk just a wild thought I guess.
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The same exact literal thing happened to my Sig MPX-K that was manufactured 9 May 2019. I had shoulder adapter and In Lead We Trust trilug adapter and it throws rounds everywhere with and without Ti-Rant on. What are options, to spend a bunch of money and get an 8 inch barrel from either ILWT or SIG actual and take a chance on it not working.
You're not the only one. My friend sent me a text message after I released this video telling me he bought a MPX-k too and like me, his shot all over the place with his SilencerCo tri-lug and silencer. live.staticflickr.com/65535/48180251001_4e198726c3_b.jpg It may be more widespread than I thought.
Same thing with me. Tried a bunch of barrels. Nothing helped except going to an 8".
I get on the phone with SIG and they say to send rifle and if it passes their spec I will have to pay, but he can’t describe to me their standards or what is in spec. BLUF, if I can’t take a sub gun and hit an obscured target behind something I don’t want to hit, it is a paper weight right. On top of it is 1700 dollar gun that should be working. Thanks for posting this video because I have been looking on internet for the last 3 weeks trying to find somebody with this same exact issue.
@@JB-mv1fn ...and that's why I don't deal with Sig's customer support. I bought one of their early 1911's and it went full-auto on me in an indoor range (the store I bought it at). I called Sig while at the store and they told me it was likely the ammo and the gun wasn't broken in yet. LOL. I let the guys behind the counter hear the conversation. Needless to say they took the 1911 back and I picked something else up.
jackal2001a what specifics on barrel you got. I was basically going to go with ILWT with the trilugs on the barrel, which to be seems like a better option to begin with.
I didn't know Sig made shotguns...
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If they did, I wonder if they'd shoot one ragged hole.
@@Paladin1873 .5 MOA 12 gauge at 100 yards lmao
Peter Yi but only if you use their proprietary choke tube and ammo. Otherwise the shot may come back at you Elmer Fudd style.
The problem is actually the Griffin 3 lug adapter. I went through a similar trial and error process couple years ago with my gen2 and three new adapters. Griffin's MPX metric adapter indexes on the muzzle, which is correct for metric threading. But when torqued down too much, the muzzle crown/adapter interface inside is warping, instead of being an absolute solid stop. The issue is either 1) the steel material Griffin used is too soft compared to the barrel, or 2) the manufacturing of the adapter is not up to official 13.5x1LH specs (interface circumference area too thin). Shine a flashlight inside a used adapter and you'll see the interface edges deformed/ragged. The Sig barrels are actually fine and the threading is true. If you direct thread a silencer using a normal quality metric piston, you will find that it easily shoots same-hole accuracy. The tapered barrel is unfortunately an inconvenience as it limits other options that could utilize a squared shoulder. I would not trust a trivial slip-on doughnut adapter since we can't confirm if the outside taper was designed concentric with the bore. Even if it was, there's still tolerance-stacking risk in play with slip-ons. I just gave up on the 3-lug system altogether (sloppy standards anyway) and stuck with trusty ole direct thread on the MPX.
The Griffin adapter preceded the taper muzzle system. It works on other 13.5x1LH guns. We have some customers that had good results with the Sig barrels, others that didn't. It's hard to know what isn't working when the Sig product isn't consistently interacting with the parts. My guess would be the device sometimes bottoms on the taper, and the MI taper shoulder ring isn't square. We make one of those rings too. Ours has 100% of the datums cut on the main spindle. So they are square to about .0003" which is as accurate as can happen in modern manufacturing. It's not ideal to have to retrofit a shoulder. The Sig tapered shoulder isn't good for that reason.
Maybe Sig and Hi Point should merge. Sig's quality might improve.
@Mexico City glock perfection simply means this is good as we are going to make it so take it or leave it
hi point carbines are very reliable and made ok. the work every time and hi point has the best warranty in the world.
@Mexico City I've never gad a single problem with my Glock. It worked right out of the box, unlike these Sig's Tim has such terrible luck with.
YEET YEET!!!
I've seem two magazine feed lips crack.
I run a Gen2 4" K gun using a direct thread Sig suppressor and I consistently shoot nickle size groups at 20 yards all day long.
Unfortunately paying premium price no longer guarantees top performance . Just a sign of the times . Incompetence is a daily occurrence on every level .
Orion Fixr called a rip-off
@@johnmcclane2589; I was thinking the same thing , I just didn't want to take the guff from the elitists .
@Thystaff Thywill
UNFORTUNATELY It used to be true. While in Production Colt Pythons were worth the extra bucks.
Same for the S&W 27s and 29s.
The Pre model 64 Winchesters were certainly worth the money.
Genx, Millennials et al always buy the next best thing.
They stand in line for the latest made in China iPhone.
But planned obsolescence was something Detroit was into in the 60's and 70's
@Thystaff Thywill
So Sigs poor quality is because of tariffs?
Sig started making some of its guns in the USA because of Germany's export restrictions. Germany restricted the types and where the firearms could be exported.
US manufacturing gave them a loophole.
FN has no problem with quality control in their US facilities.
Beretta had to produce M9s in the USA to get the Army contracts and had no problems other than the original design of the slides. They have no problems with quality control.
As to tariffs, When the the Constitution was written there were very few sources of revenue i.e. taxes.
Tariffs were one of the few sources of taxes.
Tariffs were also designed to protect and encourage local production.
Excise taxes were another source. Remember the Whiskey Rebellion.
I think you are confusing the taxes on the exports of Southern Cotton with Tariffs.
The South was angered US was using their major source of income to fund the Federal Government.
But WTF?
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$69.99 for a magazine..good god, that's alone is enough to just say no to the MPX. Won't discuss the rest of the details that would make this a no go.
MLGInfidel1 right?!? $70 for a mag!?!
Anyone who actually knows anything about these guns knows that either version of the gun will run either version of the mags.
I personally have a gen 2, which does have obvious differences including the change in forward rail from gen 1, and utilize two gen 3 mags and 6 gen 1 mags interchangeably with no differences.
Ridiculous price. I'll keep my Scorpion, thank you very much. I love $20 mags!
Sunyata but Barrett mags aren’t made by lancer
Sunyata isn’t the Scorpion’s mag proprietary? Sig has ALWAYS overpriced their magazines.
Got my MPX-K a month ago and she's performed flawlessly so far. 2 misfeeds but I'm shooting crappy ball ammo. Love the Timney trigger too, MPK-K is a beast.
What's the best accuracy you get at 25yds?
"Problems with SIG quality control."
A sentence very, very rarely heard.
Until they opened a factory in the USA.
@B real only ever owned 3 US made guns. But living in the UK the government made me sell them all to them! My M1 Garand was a nice enough bit of kit, 1952 manufactured, my Springfield 1911 managed to break it's safety catch just before it's 9th birthday, but gods do I miss my 1987 manufactured S&W 586!
Just got bolt actions, shotguns and .22 semi autos now. Bloody annoying, I used to be pretty good at IPSC shooting....
B real Pure hyperbole.
@B real couldn't afford to live in the US with my health problems. Maybe if I win the lottery....
This is a Pistol they have no reason to manufacture it in the USA
Its the same with another gun that people never took seriously to start with; the Desert Eagle. When it was made by IMI/IWI they were great, well made guns. Now the Q.C. on them are complete shit
Did Tim kill a witch in a past life? He's cursed when it comes to Sig products.
brendan byrd
Hahahaha
I don’t know if that’s true or not
but it made me laugh.
brendan byrd hey now, Sig ammo isn’t bad... if it is cheaper than Federal or Hornady
alan wake yeah I only use it as practice ammo. But even at that their 10mm is lower pressure than green and white box Remington from Walmart!
brendan byrd haha exactly. If i find it for cheap i will use it for practice ammo. But I would never carry it. Them making ammo and expecting it to sell just based on their “Name” is like the cheap browning and S&W knives that are made in China lol
alan wake I don’t blame you. The HST and the Gold Dot are the gold standard for carry ammo
Aside from a 10mm P220, I have dumped all of my Sigs, because I’m tired of their BS! Switched over to CZ almost exclusively now. Thanks for the info Tim, just confirms my feelings about Sig nowadays.
Maybe the tri lug is no good.
Why would it work on one then?
The consistent variable in all of the failures is your after market tri-lug adapter. Everyone has tolerances for their parts and can't anticipate every combination the consumer will use; you get the wrong combination of high and low dimensions, you get problems.
This just makes your Scorpion even more appealing.
My MPX K is a Gen 3 with Timney trigger ultra accurate. I have not touched the barrel and do not intend to suppress it. It shoots 1,5 inch group at my 36yd zero. 2 inch groups at 50yds, It shoots 6 groups at 100yds indoor gun range. The limiting factor is my 62 year old eyes. I pulled off my Romeo5 red dot and installed a Primary Arms 1x6x24 Nova to actually see as far as this little PCC can shoot. For accuracy it prefers Speer 147 TMJ and JHP or Federal 147 TMJ or HST. I have shot 2500rds with no failures using the newer Thril 35 round mags
I am confused, how is the gun defective? It seems like the tri-lug and "shoulder adapter" are the issue.
You seem like the only person other than myself who saw that, with the birdcage on, the grouping was the same as the Gen 1 with the 3rd party tri lug. It makes me laugh that the sheepole (sheep and people for the slow) that hang on Macs every word, and they keep parroting his words "the threads aren't concentric to bore" maybe try another adapter? I have seen people mention "well why did it work on the 1st Gen and not the 2nd Gen" well maybe just maybe, because IT'S SECOND GEN AND SOMETHING CHANGED! Assumption is the mother of all fu*k ups, never assume you know what some manufacturers are going to do because YOU think it's right, they are in the business to make money, not cater to CZ fan boi's or the like. (and I own both CZ Scorpion and MPX GEN 2 with tri lug mount)
Everyone, join the GOA, save your rights!
The best 2A organization currently is the SAF. The guys who are too busy actually fighting in court to grandstand and promote themselves on a daily basis. I do agree that every gun owning patriot should join some 2A group, hopefully more than one. Unfortunately 95% of gun owners have taken a knee in this fight for far too long.
@@graynotescartridgebox who else then? What's a better strategy?
You got tricked, Jason bumper a load off on you 😂
I purchased an MPX-K FDE in 08-18, (manufactured in 04-18) three lug, Tyrant 45, no issues, no gassing. Groups consistent. Crazy that these are so far off from each other.
Any chance you can run some PCC like the Scorpion Evo and the MPX through the gauntlet ?
I bet cz will win
Yes yes let's see this happen
Yes, and the Ruger PCC 9 too!
I vote for this!
Strange, I've never heard of these types of issues with a CZ Scorpion Evo....
I did but it was a issues with the can makers tri lug mount.
M.L. Evans was it the the barrel adaptor or the tri lug adaptor on the silencer and which manufacturer? Just curious as my Form 4 just got approved and was planning on purchasing the shorty tri lug adaptor from Silencerco for my Omega9k to mate to my Evo.
@@wooodrow99 my understanding is Tim has had this suppressor before this gun and it hasnt had a problem. So I would say it's the gun.
GrigglesTheTexan not my concern. ML Evans said that he had an issue with a tri lug adaptor on his Evo and I just want to avoid a similar outcome and not waste money on a POS part.
At 6 to 800 bucks less too
News flash it’s the adapter! Swap tri lug adapters 💡
Anyone with a true testing background would have done this first off. That and tried a direct thread suppressor.
Always smart adding two adapters and then a suppressor onto a direct thread barrel... not going to add tolerances at all......
My K shoots fine with a Gemtech GM-9, but I’m using a threaded adapter, not tri lug. So yes you can use another manufactures suppressor. I even use a binary trigger too.
I used to be a sig fanboy since they manufacturing to the U.S. Quality control has gone down the drain... sad they were a renowned for their quality.
Yeah, thinkin bout buying West German made p226 😩😩
buy a barrel from" in lead we trust "with a shoulder in 4 6 8 10 or 16 inches, they have them all and not over priced like sig barrels
plattner01 I bought one to actually create a “k” version so I have both barrels. The ILWT barrel runs terrific.
My kid gets a tighter moa group at 20 yards with his nerf gun.
This comment made me laugh! Good shout!
Maybe he should have done the review
I've got similar issues with Radical Firearm's. My 16" upper receiver and barrel combo is currently shooting about 10 moa at a hundred yards. It's going back to Radical. I'm sure it's a problem with the crown since that is the last thing the bullet touches as it exit's the barrel. We'll see.
Thanks for your fair and balanced review.
Did you consider the possibility that the adapters are out of spec?
Thats basicaly what hes saying. That the adapters also cause issues.
I bought an mpx off a guy who had the barrel cut to 4.5 inches and threaded to 1/2x28. Suppressed it with a liberty mystic x. With 115gr ammo it shot 6 inch groups at 20 yards but 2 inch groups with 147gr. Ultimately I replaced the barrel with a 4.5 inch barrel from ILWT and I easily get 1 inch at 20 yards regardless of the ammo and regardless if I have the can on it or not. "Gen 2" btw
So your non-OEM can and adapter does not fit. Install a Sig can that the MPX is designed for. Not a big deal as you make it out to be.
hornet224 Even with the stock muzzle attachment, there was shot dispersion. This means that the threads aren’t concentric to bore
Ryan Buntrock - I rewatched that part. I really was hoping Sig would be way better with their product line. Being a former soldier, M-9 era, I am concerned for our next Gen of soldiers and defective firearms. I don’t think I will even try to purchase a P365 now. Way to much hype, way to much $, for spotty performances, at best.
Oh man. Thanks for the info. I’m a 1st gen MCX owner (with its BCG issues) and was considering getting an MPX G2 - give them time to “work out any bugs.”
Now I know better 👍🏾
the Sig 716 had the same issues when suppressed when they were adopted by a certain Police force here
I used to think "always wait for the gen2 version to come out" but Sig changed that to "Always wait for Gen3 to come out..." Way to go Sig.
I got the Gen 3. Mine is grouping 2.5" at 25yds with thr factory birdcage. Not good. Not bad either. Still not what I expected for the price though. 😔
Remington: I’ve got the worst QC in the industry.
Sig: Hold my beer .......
My only experience with Sig was my P229 and my girl's P226 - always thought of them as top-shelf. This is eye-opening. Just goes to show brand loyalty can bite you, if you don't know what you're buying.
I bet you that the YEET Cannon will be more accurate...
You're probably right. I have several HiPoint products and they all work.
@@Militaryarmschannel Hey Tim, that was a joke. I think your unique case of the O.L.D. is showing lol
@@Militaryarmschannel Any chance we'll see a video on the YC-9 when it releases? Maybe a comparison between it and a Glock Fawty lol?
M13.5x1lh doesnt require a shoulder where the threads end.
it shoulders at the end of the barrel, AKA where the threads start.
hence why a taper adapter is not needed AND why it is making your shots go wild.
you are not allowing the trilug to seat properly.
this is why you choose cz scorpion. lesson learned.
I don't own one of these but a friend of mine asked me to test his because I'm a little more experienced with guns and I've had more training on marksmanship. He thought it was just him so he asked me to go shoot with him. And I ran into the same thing and even got another friend who is an marksmanship instructor in the army and he had the same problem when he and I took it out. So you're not alone.
I'm glad I bought a Zenith MP5 over this.
I am glad I watched this! I owned a P226 and Sigs 380 pistols about 20 yrs. ago and I have to say they were the best pistols I had ever owned, and shooting for over fifty years thats a lot of pistols. I am 66 yrs. now and was looking seriously at the copperhead for a very small package carbine, thought it would be a good one for an old geezer. I think you changed my mind. Did you ever do a video on the copper head?.
Thanks. For about 24 hours I was ready to buy a P365 because of Ian's latest video. Looks like Sig hasn't gotten their act together yet.
The problem was with the suppressor mount though, not with a p365 pistol.
@@jason200912 Have you watched MAC's 365 review? Though it is not a representation of all the 365's I would be extremely weary to purchase one, even though I am hearing the issues have been corrected since. That being said its still SIG so who knows.
I have seen tri-lug adapters produce these results on mp5s. The best way to test this is to try a direct thread suppressor. I’m not a fan of Sig, but this seems like Tim is on a war path with Sig. regardless, he could avoid that appearance if he did what a lot of us are suggesting: try it with a direct thread suppressor.
I have never owned a SIG and at this rate, never will.
Thank you for all your honest reviews. I always enjoy your videos.
@@sqwk2559 somebody got its feelings hurt....
I’m happy I have an old .45 P220 coming my way eventually
Wow SIG is really making a name for themselves... in making junk and then not backing up their mistakes
All the Sigs I own are older than me. Absolutely great guns. Bought a P365 and I feel like I was robbed. I wish I never did it.
@@MatthewSmith-du5dyDont forget about the P320 that failed drop test.
eddie vanhalen I didn’t buy into the hype of the 320. The 365 got me because of the size. I knew it was inferior to the Glock. Sig likes to give guns away to “win” contracts.
eddie vanhalen also the premature wear shown by testers in “torture testing” and for those that say that torture tests aren’t fair or accurate- you never seen what soldiers can do to gear. I predict after a few years and several thousand rounds the .gov will be looking to upgrade or replace all those perfect M17s
@@beardoggin8963 agreed
Love what you do. Seen all your Sig videos. I find it hard to believe you have that bad of luck. They just don't make the same quality of product. Not a new story. Kimber use to be my go to. Not anymore. Same with Bushmaster. Now I would rather have a Windham. Had a silly story with Para Ordnance. Bought a Tac 4. Was pumped. 4 1/4 barrel, 14 round cap. White box Winchester, lit strikes on 25 out of 50 rounds. Pulled out my Springfield Armory 1911 A1. Fired them all. Tried another box of the same ammo with the Tac 4. Same thing. Called Para. Was told " You need to break it in. "
Threads are not concentric to bore.
Shoulder adapter is probably vicing the muzzle down enough to squeeze the bullet and entirely throw off point of impact. It’s small, so the pressure is focused on a small surface area.
All the more reason to buy a CZ scorpion.
I own one myself. It isn't without its own issues and shortcomings, but I chose it over an MPX and an AR9 and still have no regrets.
@@Genesis23OPB not when one of em is almost twice the price! To me that's main reason the b&t ghm can and never will be a "scorpion killer"
My Gen1 has the same issue. It only happens with a trilug though. I used an Osprey with XL piston and barrel spacer and the gun shoots perfectly. I think the issue is honestly the tri lugs. So I don’t use it anymore. I use direct thread Osprey. Looks stupid as hell, but it shoots right groups. Now I only use tri-lug for my Zenith MP5. That thing shoots great with any can on it.
The word you are looking for is Cattywompus
Thank you for your honesty and time.
No good deed goes unpunished. 😂Meanwhile, a friend of mine bought a MPX-k and texted me today saying he's having the same accuracy problem using a SilencerCo tri-lug and silencer. live.staticflickr.com/65535/48180251001_4e198726c3_b.jpg
If there is a Sig that doesn't work, rest assured MAC will find it lol.
It's not just me in this case. A friend is having the same problem with his using SilencerCo gear: live.staticflickr.com/65535/48180251001_4e198726c3_b.jpg
Thanks for putting out this information MAC.
Someone has to I suppose. Some folks, judging by the comments, would rather I pretend it's normal for guns not to work as expected. Not every gun is rainbows and unicorns.
Looks to me like you just found a side hustle making silencer friendly mpx barrels!😉
I would also recommend making sure the barrel screws are properly torqued down. my MPX out of the box was a bit loose after the first range trip.
Checked. It was the first thing we did when it started shooting all over the place. I keep a Fat Wrench in the Jeep.
IWLT has MPX barrels with tri lugs machined onto them I believe.
With the longer barrel gun you have more space to use the barrel like expansion chamber. That guard can fit a suppressor inside. You just need a shoulder near the begining of the barrel to hold the suppressor. You will get much better results.
My scorpion evo 3 is a nail driver. Should just buy one of those if you are looking for similar.
Trust me he has one or two...he’s like me and buys them all.
MAC--I have a sig "black pearl" p238 that is completely reliable, but the model has been out for years and is not a "newbie".
Based in part on your reviews, both myself and a family member purchased pistols made in Germany--Walther ppq and h&k vp9..Sig wasn't even considered although they had an excellent reputation in the past..
To be more scientific, it would be necessary to try it with a sig suppressor too.
I will take you for your word that the barrel is off. My issue is how would the site have been zeroed in the first place if the barrel was flawed and shots going a stray?
The crown and the rifling is fine, it is the use of the taper and threads that introduced inconsistencies to the bullet path. If Sig was not so strident about forcing buyers to only use their silencers this would more than likely not be an issue.
Ron Cohen came from Kimber. Once good brand that went to crap. Ron Cohen goes to Sig.....Sig going to crap......see a pattern ??
MAC the only thing I can think of that is causing the shot desperation with all of the muzzle devices tested is the barrel threads are not concentric to the centerline of the bore. That would explain why you get tight groups without any muzzle device and shot dispersion with muzzle devices attched.
Remington and Sig are on my permanent shit list now.
I ordered a SIG716-G2 to replace my SCAR 17S (which I ditched after the warranty fiasco - won't touch FN again, no matter how much I want a M249S). I call it my Bob Ross SIG - it was a happy little mistake. Since I ordered the Patrol variant, I expected the gas block length heavy DickMod...sorry...KeyMod hand guard. When I got the box, I thought that I had gotten the DMR variant since it had the full length M-LOK rail. But it had the standard trigger instead of the Geissele trigger that the DMRs come with and the B5 stock instead of the Magpul stock.
Certainly not complaining - I prefer M-LOK over KeyMod. But I know how you feel about SIG's QC.
So far, I've had no issues with any of my SIGs
- 2x P320s (one will be SBR'd into a USW-320 chassis)
- MPX-K "Gen 2" (haven't shot it suppressed yet, was planning on running a SRD9 on it anyways - still planning on SBRing this)
- MCX "Frankenstein" (ordered a MCX Rattler lower and put a MCX "legacy" upper on it - will likely end up SBRing this and keeping the 11.5" "legacy" upper on it)
- M400 Tread (may SBR this and turn it into a shortly 516-G2)
- SIG516-G2 (FDE - and SIG doesn't seem to sell shorty uppers in FDE for SBRing FDE 516s)
- SIG716-G2 Patrol/DMR Bastard Love Child
So why isn’t video title “crappy tri lug adapter can make your gun less accurate”? Maybe loose your piece of junk tri lug adapter ??
Well, sig fan boi, the gen 1 had no issues with the crappy muzzle device and the Sig factory muzzle device even decreased accuracy. So its probably a barrel threading issue.
03cobratech no other gun made with a threaded barrel can only shoot decent groups with the factory muzzle device. If that is the case, why even thread the barrel? Just press on the muzzle device and weld the piss out of it to keep the “poors” and the “idiots” from meddling with it
He shot the "crappy tri lug adapter" on another MPX *on the video* and it had no issues.... some people need their hand held
@@maxout214226 two different gens which he even clarified in the last video had subtle changes. Why can’t you people think for yourselves?
I'm using a direct thread can with no problems. This is interesting for sure and good info to have.
with a 1/2 -28 thread adapter on the direct thread.
I don't run direct thread on silencers because they back off while shooting and cause all sorts of issues.
@@Militaryarmschannel indeed that is a reason. I only use mine for limited night shoots for hunting so I can see where you are coming from. I was just adding experience with that particular method.
@@Militaryarmschannel Wouldn't a direct mount, left-handed thread, tighten as it was used? I suppose you could still have carbon build up on the barrel threads over time, and possible carbon lock? Beside those issues, one benefit to direct thread is it keeps you total package shorter... ;)
But, Kevin Brittingham and Q said tapers were the best thing ever 😂
Taper mounts are a good idea when done right. Just as with squared shoulders, if done wrong it creates problems. For example, I built a rifle for a customer last year that mounted a Faxon barrel. It shot MOA with a muzzle brake in place, but the bullets would not even strike cardboard when a suppressor was attached. No amount of tweaking or machining would fix it. In the end I sent it back to Faxon for examination. They determined the muzzle threads and shoulder had been cut slightly off center and could not be made concentric. Their replacement barrel worked great. Sometimes you get a lemon. In the case of Sig it's a question of whether they are producing the odd lemon or making lemonade.
Just picked up my MPX K manufactured 2020 and I thankfully do not have this issue, I zeroed the gun at 50 with the stock muzzle device and when I swapped it to the YHM QD flash hider the difference was not noticeable.
Sig use to be a good company..bought three products that all failed..sig new Hampshire is a joke..polymer Japanese junk...cooked a romeo5 on a m92 (gas tube mwi rail mounted) on a 91 degree day...4 mags n dot went out ...that was the last straw..never by sig again unless it's an old school German made...
Hope Sig do a recall on this product. I almost purchase one 3 days ago, glad I didn't. Thanks for the great video and all the great information.
Thank you for watching!
@@Militaryarmschannel Will a different barrel from a different company would help??
Manufacturers will have some issues with some of the items they manufacture. A small percentage. I have had great luck with glock but i recently had an issue with a G17 barrel. I replaced it with a Faxon barrel. That fixed the isse. I still love my Glock, but i had a bad barrel.
12gageshot you have an occasional lemon in production.
For a small percentage I seem to keep stumbling into issues with Sig's. Here's a list of bad Sig's I've gotten, and I've likely forgotten a few: 1911, P220, 556R, Xi (twice), 551A1, P365 (twice), MPX-k. On the positive side, my P226, P226 Mk25, P226 Legion, MPX Gen 1, and Rattler work fine. I love my Rattler.
Military Arms Channel yeah Sig has bad quality control.
@@Militaryarmschannel who paid you to bash SIG!? Sarcasm off.....
See the difference between paying high prices for firearms and not is quality control. Manufacturers should be testing their firearms before they ship them when charging this much for them. It's not like you're buying a PSA for cheap, you're paying premium here and getting untested QA failures.
Every platform from every manufacturer has had their fair share of problems, it doesn’t matter whether you spend hundreds or thousands if you can hit the intended target then what is the problem.
I personally have a mpx-k with a tri lug, running a obsidian 9 and have zero complaints.
Oh and a drive a Ford
When you have the spread of a cap and ball, something maaaay be wrong...
Friend bought one of these sigs - his shoots like ass when you puts a can on it. At least it was expensive. He bought the thing with the intent to put a can on it. I’m glad he buys stuff like this to teach me sigs are still making crap a good portion of the time. I won’t give a nickel to these guys anymore. I’ve learned my lesson from being issued a sig for duty long ago and seeing their products since.
Interesting. A buddy of mine sent me a text this morning after watching this video and he too is having the same problem using a SilencerCo adapter and silencer. live.staticflickr.com/65535/48180251001_4e198726c3_b.jpg
So Sig guns suck?🤔🤔🤔
But our Military is arming themselves with Sig🤔🤔🤔
Vannak Yen welcome to the government
Military grade= lowest bidder . Astronaut Gene cernan was a steely eyed missile man until the thought passed through his head that everything on the rocket he was riding on was built by the lowest bidders. Bueracrats only understand spreadsheet logic, they have no understanding of design elegance or non standard indicator's for quality
And look at all of the problems the military has had with the m17
Vannak Yen govt contracts aren’t about quality, they are about quantity and cheapness
American ones does, not the ones from Germany.
So in the last 6 months I acquired a Sig rattler and a p365. I have had no problems with either and was on my way to become a fanboy, but after seeing other people having problems with various Sig models I am hesitant to buy anymore of their products.
When did anybody think that Sig made quality guns?.... Hahahaha
It's possible the shoulder adapter flange isn't perpendicular to the tapered cone, causing the tri lug to cant slightly.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Tim this peeved before. Lol
He handled it well though.
Had that been me, I would have been cussin up a storm.
MOBROOKS - just don’t mention a .40 S&W and he’ll keep his hat on.
My SIG MPX K 4.5" Gen3 is grouping around 2.5" at 25yds, with the factory birdcage, resting on a Coletac shooting bag. I'm using a Steiner MRS 3MOA red dot. The ammo is RUAG 9x19 124grs. Is this within specs? IMO it's not bad, but not good either.
Did you use a suppressor with it?
@@fishingtwister I've just used it with the OEM flash hider yet. The funny thing, it's still within spec according to SIG. Also the competitor, the Brügger&Thomet APC9 Pro G would be. 3"@25yds is still within spec... quite disappointing for the retail price and allegedly advanced operation principle.
@@apexaustriae9973 Gotcha, that's messed up specs...
@@fishingtwister Apparently the barrel got an issue. Anyways, it looks like I'll be stuck with it.
Chevy has proprietary tools and fixtures. Ford has proprietor tools and assemblies. Dodge, etc, etc
Sig works great with Sig stuff. Not good, not bad. Just is
It would be worth a check to see if the bolts holding the barrel to the receiver were not properly torqued. Best to remove the barrel, clean out the receiver, reseat the barrel and torque the retaining bolts in the proper order and try again, first with the bird cage FH, then with the 3 lug adapter and then finally with the suppressor to see if the results change (better, worse, the same).
Clearly, there is nothing wrong with the "pistol." You're using the wrong muzzle device(s) for that particular gun.
That is the most asinine excuse I've ever heard. Suppressors arent made for ONE gun. And making a gun incapable of using anything BUT one suppressor style is not only pretty sleazy, its playing your customers for suckers when you claim they will still work anyway, or tell them to buy more shit to make it work.
Like apple. Only apple could take away features then sell them back to you as "accessories"
BuhLakeh exactly. That is the kind of treatment you get from a complacent company. Seems like Sig is riding the million off of the government contract and is selling customer “whatever” they throw together.
You both are absolutely dense. If he takes the mount off and there’s no issue, then it’s not the gun. Maybe you should look at a reviewer that has enough common sense to DA the suppressor that’s meant to be on the weapon system.
"If I add a bunch of third-party crap to my gat it suddenly is inaccurate The gat must be flawed!!!"
So why did it work fine on the other rifle?
Still cant believe the novice level of testing. There are so many errors it's not even funny. You could simply have a small peice of carbon in the 3 lug mount I challenge you @militaryarmschanel to send me that exact 3 lug adapter to inspect in a machine shop inspection room. I also am a FFL and SOT. You prove nothing other tha. There is nothing wrong with the gun as it shoots the smallest group of all with no muzzle device at all showing there are only problems with your muzzle device. Ill send you a copy of my ffl and sot if you send the upper and 3 lug and I'll give you and aerospace accurate printout of the actual readings. And for all the clowns claiming how their cz is so far superior I cant help but laugh. Mac I hope you take me seriously and consider this
@@chadhaire1711 how so? What does an over weight blowback system give over a rotating bolt locking system?
@@bobacoma8737 agreed!! Just trash the manufacturer because people will believe it because he has a RUclips channel..
I'm so glad I didn't get a sig pistol for my edc pistol. Their quality is hi point but their price is top shelf. You cannot live on your company name for long if you're consistently putting out garbage. Sig used to be a solid performer and has really let thierself go.
Looks like an issue with the threading. Buddy of mine had the exact same issue on his AR barrel. It was weird.
I had the very same issue. Found the barrel to be loose. Tightened it up and no more problem. I’m sure you have checked the barrel already?
Try the Stribog
My god, my MPX is doing the exact same shit with the same tri-Lug and shoulder adapter. I even got a 14” group at 25yrds. My B&T ghm9 with the 4” barrel and tri-lug adapter is a little tack driver. This MPX I bought is absolute garbage. Sent it into sig, they sent back 6 targets with 1” groups at 25 meters using 115 blazer. Didn’t do anything to it. I bring it home, strap it in a lead sled and shoulder it and it’s best group is 5” with the A2 and several different bullets and weights. Worst group, 14”. Insane. Im going to try the 8” ILWT barrel.
As a scorpion owner, im tired of everybody in every pcc comment section talking about how great it is. Yes its a good gun but cz fanboys are just annoying.
Dirk Diggler I’ve seen that the new mags that are supposed to be “good” are not what they are not that great.
My money is on the barrel geometry right before the threads. As soon as you mount something on there, it throws the harmonics or stresses the barrel and it throws the shots. Threads that aren’t concentric shouldn’t change anything when you mount a flash hider.
I'd suggest an in lead we trust barrel. I started with an 8" gen 2 MPX and swapped the barrel for a 4.5" with integral 3 lug AND 1/2x28 with shoulder! I'm using a gen 1 Griffin Revolution 9 with the Rugged 3 lug mount. Suppressor fits half way under the hand guard and looks like an MP5-SD. In lead we trust also sells a 3 lug linear comp which extends the barrel past the hand guard for unsuppressed use (like the shot timer during competitions).
You going to test with Sig suppressor?
I don't plan on buying one.
I feel so sorry for US Military buying Sig weapons
Lowest bidder.
Hornet135 Lol you actually think the military buys the best equipment?
Just curious, have you shot any other ammo out of it? Seems like a design flaw but just asking bc mr gng blew up one of his friends rifles while using this ammo. Didnt know if theres a connection or not. Thought maybe the powder could be caking things up in the suppressor, barrel or gas tube? Idk just a wild thought I guess.
Yeah, I have shot other ammo out of it. In the Instagram video we were using 124gr ball.