How To Make Your Decks Unique | The Command Zone 344 | Magic: The Gathering Commander EDH

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  • Опубликовано: 29 июл 2024
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    As the Commander format becomes more popular, it often feels as if it's also becoming more and more homogenized. It can seem as though people are playing the same cards over and over again. On this episode, our resident MTG Hipster and Game Knights editor, Josh Murphy, joins the show to talk about how you can break the mold and make your decks more unique and more interesting.
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  • @kitsune371
    @kitsune371 3 года назад +415

    Wizards came out with Double Masters, The Command zone came out with Double Josh

  • @datchoppinator5592
    @datchoppinator5592 3 года назад +330

    Actual start: 7:17

    • @aaronupward
      @aaronupward 3 года назад +16

      Thank you on behalf of all of us

    • @gurrekurre1726
      @gurrekurre1726 3 года назад +5

      thx

    • @frederikambrosius2829
      @frederikambrosius2829 3 года назад +6

      Thank you a true hero

    • @GoofCakes
      @GoofCakes 3 года назад +10

      I look for these comments on most of the videos I check out.

    • @heavydistorted7427
      @heavydistorted7427 3 года назад +21

      I wish you a turn one sol ring, into signet for your next game...thx ;)

  • @julesramsden5740
    @julesramsden5740 3 года назад +61

    What I tend to do is use EDHREC/Net-Decking as a reference of where to start, and then make alterations from there based on budget/CMC/how it plays vs. how I want to play, etc. So in that way, my decks don't usually begin as unique, but they become unique by the time I put my stamp of approval on them as being "finished".

    • @dorsalfin22
      @dorsalfin22 3 года назад +6

      I do the same thing! Start with EDHREC and pick what theme I am interested in that day. I know some people are going for the 32 challenge (one deck for every color combo) and I am going one step further which is one deck for every theme listed on their page (not including all the different token types.) I'll almost never run out of ideas because there are so many mechanics and tribes too. EDHREC is how I narrow down these huge lists and then make them my own!

    • @danielspencer4564
      @danielspencer4564 3 года назад +1

      Yes edhrec is a great tool to help get a shell for a deck and to find cards that work well with the commander that I wouldn't know otherwise. I always end up with my own flavor for the deck but edhrec definitely helps keep your deck focused

    • @TresBS1
      @TresBS1 3 года назад +2

      I do the exact same. EDHREC helps me form an idea. It helps me build up a number of options to put into the deck and, then, through play testing, I refine the deck to how I want it to be. I'll even throw out certain cards that everyone apparently uses because it just doesn't fit my playstyle.

    • @ColorwaveCraftsCo
      @ColorwaveCraftsCo 3 года назад +1

      Same. I use EDHREC's High-Synergy tab as a jumping off point, but I limit myself to a certain budget per card, so then I Scryfall for cards that can do the same thing at a lower cost. I'm also fairly new to Magic so I have a lot of newer cards that I've opened in packs mixed in with the "gems" that I've found through watching content and online research.

  • @nik700
    @nik700 3 года назад +170

    Murph needs to be knighted!
    On the topic, I don't usually try to make my decks unique from other people, but unique from each of my other decks

    • @B-Randall
      @B-Randall 3 года назад +3

      Yeah!!! Let’s have a unique decks Game Nights

    • @dasseher1467
      @dasseher1467 3 года назад +5

      The thing is, everyone has a playstyle they like the most, so most of their decks are going to fit that playstyle.
      But yeah, a person that has a karador deck does not need muldrotha, but may think about picking up Lazav because it is graveyard based but in a pretty diffrent way.

    • @nik700
      @nik700 3 года назад +1

      @@dasseher1467 Exactly. Let's say that I have Karador, can I build Muldrotha and feel like I'm playing a different enough deck? Are my engines/payoffs/wincons distinct enough? That's what I care about when building. If I have a Karador deck and it's pretty similar to your Karador deck there's nothing I can do about it.

    • @dasseher1467
      @dasseher1467 3 года назад +2

      @@nik700
      The thing with having a unique deck is that no one can complain about you playing "op" cards. If you are playing cyclonic rift into win, my playgroup will be like, well cyclonic rift, not much you can do about it. If you win by playing a lesser known card (check out Mercadia's Downfall) people will even give you a high five some times.
      I would highly recommend everyone out there to try to build a unique deck as it feels way more rewarding to win with something you came up with yourself.
      If you play muldrotha into Mindslaver locking the strongest player into win it feels kind of cheap. If you play some crazy Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts deck that forces people to attack with something like a bullwhip some people will considere your win way more "earned".
      Also searching for weird cards is a lot of fun.

    • @unwucht1529
      @unwucht1529 3 года назад +1

      Knight him! Bring him on the show and let him pilot one of his decks!

  • @Challenification
    @Challenification 3 года назад +220

    Murph has great energy, we need him to be on an episode of Game Knights

    • @gabrielgibson1680
      @gabrielgibson1680 3 года назад

      I agree 😁

    • @Auscilius
      @Auscilius 3 года назад

      His decks probably wouldn't be able to keep up though lol dont tell him I said that!

    • @JuQmadrid
      @JuQmadrid 3 года назад +5

      @@Auscilius it's not about the victory, ti's about sending a message.

    • @Joel-bz7kt
      @Joel-bz7kt 3 года назад +2

      Does extra turns work?

  • @notjake2089
    @notjake2089 3 года назад +56

    One of my favorite decks is "You lose Tribal". Just took all the cards that say you lose on the text and my goal is to push to them to the point where the you lose trigger will activate and then give them to my opponents. Can even be played in Historic now... sorta

  • @m.a.9517
    @m.a.9517 3 года назад +30

    A: 3 out of 4 sevinne decks use the graveyard, copy stuff.
    B: ah so you mean 75%?
    A: no, I mean out of the only 4 existing decks...

  • @ruudvanlaarhoven5776
    @ruudvanlaarhoven5776 3 года назад +33

    I have a Jeskai equipment deck, led by Akiri, Line Slinger and Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist, which is mostly an "Assemble Kaldrah"-deck with all the artifact tutors.
    Because I should be able to find quite a few artifacts from my deck, I've put in 6 "Infinity Stones" which are all just powerful, game-warping, mostly high costed artifacts that represent the powers from their MCU movie versions:
    Space Stone: Planar Bridge, creating a portal from anywhere in "space" (your deck) directly onto the battlefield.
    Mind Stone: Mindslaver, I think this one speaks for itself. Also, actual Mind Stone of course.
    Reality Stone: Aeon Engine, reversing the turn order was the most reality-warping effect I could think of in a game of magic. I also run Mechanized Production, to go full Thanos onto the table and eliminate half of all turns taken.
    Power Stone: Aetherflux Reservoir, pinging someone for 50 just feels that powerful.
    Time Stone: Vedalken Orrery. I mean... y'know?
    Soul Stone: Coveted Jewel. Not only was it an actual coveted jewel in the movies, it also really takes over the Soul of any game you're playing. In a good way. I've never have seen the table not have more fun after this card resolved.
    I wish there was a blatant "win the game"-combo for collecting all 6 on the battlefield, but alas. The individual power per gem should be able to carry you a way to victory anyway though, waaay before that happens.

  • @lucenildofilho5710
    @lucenildofilho5710 3 года назад +260

    Reasons my deck is a unique deck, without the staples:
    It is a budget deck

    • @xale8702
      @xale8702 3 года назад +14

      This. I refuse to buy any card over 20 bucks.

    • @Lucarioguild7
      @Lucarioguild7 3 года назад +7

      Was probably more true before Commander's Quarters took off

    • @mikemcglasson1286
      @mikemcglasson1286 3 года назад

      @@xale8702 With maybe a commander itself being an exception, I won't pay $10 or more for a single

    • @Nick-in9ig
      @Nick-in9ig 3 года назад +2

      Absolutely. I have a mix of budget and not budget. But my favourite budget one is a brago deck. The commander might not be unique but I built it with a budget of only £30.

    • @jimbobsenpai3082
      @jimbobsenpai3082 3 года назад +6

      Xale I don’t buy singles I like opening packs and only use those cards

  • @notsuspiciousthejudgmental2423
    @notsuspiciousthejudgmental2423 3 года назад +34

    One of my favorite non standard cards is Ob Nixilis’s Cruelty. It doesn’t say destroy, but -5/-5 will get rid of a lot of problems and the exile effect ain’t too bad either. You find a lot of treasures just looking through bulk commons you otherwise wouldn’t know about

    • @thrash208
      @thrash208 3 года назад +5

      100% it helps with indestructible cards. I also like defile same effect except its -1-1 for every swamp you control but it doesn't exile. Great target removal for black

    • @leemiller6977
      @leemiller6977 3 года назад +2

      Grasp of Darkness (-4 -4 instant for two swamps), Dismember (-5 -5 instant for one of any color and two black phyrexian mana, and in one of my three sacrifice decks is Vicious Offering one colorless and one black for a -2 -2 instant but if you also sac a creature it would be -5 -5. Removal is so much fun!!!

    • @plain6677
      @plain6677 3 года назад +1

      Ahahah good choice! Mine is Sudden Death to get rid of some combo enablers

    • @katierumlock6645
      @katierumlock6645 3 года назад

      I assume you mean standard as in, like, the usual commander staples... since Ob Nixilis’s cruelty is actually a standard-legal card

    • @notsuspiciousthejudgmental2423
      @notsuspiciousthejudgmental2423 3 года назад

      Katie Rumlock that would be correct

  • @DolphinTillTheEnd
    @DolphinTillTheEnd 2 месяца назад +3

    The other day we were talking with some friends about how in a casual commander game there's two winners, whoever actually won the game, and whoever did the coolest thing

  • @caligulaincarnate
    @caligulaincarnate 3 года назад +92

    "all these fools in shirts they didn't knit." lol nice.

  • @yaakovkagel1015
    @yaakovkagel1015 3 года назад +58

    "Dont judge people based on what ice cream flavor they like."
    But that's the only criteria I use...

    • @koelkast9
      @koelkast9 3 года назад +1

      For me it's the correct application of Latin grammar forms.... criterium....

    • @yaakovkagel1015
      @yaakovkagel1015 3 года назад +3

      @Micah Thibault they should probably seek professional help

    • @therealax6
      @therealax6 3 года назад +1

      @@koelkast9 The correct English word is 'criterion', though.

  • @mborchik2007
    @mborchik2007 3 года назад +56

    funny thing is that the moment you guys talk about and reveal some awesome unique cards they do not become unique anymore! it just is a testament to the reach your channel has, great content! keep it up :)

    • @thornart8108
      @thornart8108 3 года назад

      good point

    • @v3ck1n
      @v3ck1n 3 года назад +1

      The entire catalogue of Magic cards is searchable on multiple different websites

    • @mborchik2007
      @mborchik2007 3 года назад +1

      Jake Drought true?

  • @charleschin7984
    @charleschin7984 3 года назад +53

    When each basic land card in your deck is a different art

    • @hoppeltrottel7484
      @hoppeltrottel7484 3 года назад +11

      Is it even format-legal to use two or more basics with the same art? 🤔😜

    • @CosmicErrata
      @CosmicErrata 3 года назад +5

      I simply can't have two of the same basic land art in one deck. They also have to match the deck's theme.

    • @hoppeltrottel7484
      @hoppeltrottel7484 3 года назад +3

      @@CosmicErrata Same here. Basic land art adds sooo much to the overall flavor and "mood" of the deck. =)

    • @diggerdog9205
      @diggerdog9205 3 года назад

      Agreed. Unless they are un lands

    • @diggerdog9205
      @diggerdog9205 3 года назад

      Agreed. Unless they are un lands

  • @NPCJulian
    @NPCJulian 3 года назад +220

    My deck is already unique. 100 full Art lands

    • @bilbo5283
      @bilbo5283 3 года назад +60

      thats cheating you should only have 99

    • @casketbase7750
      @casketbase7750 3 года назад +29

      Make ‘em all Mountains and replace the Commander with *Ashling The Pilgrim* to make it an actual playable deck.

    • @NPCJulian
      @NPCJulian 3 года назад +11

      @@casketbase7750 I was actually thinking about that when I made this comment. The Magic the Gathering communitie are fucking geniuses.

    • @NPCJulian
      @NPCJulian 3 года назад +5

      @@bilbo5283 spittin facts

    • @jbs6614
      @jbs6614 3 года назад +4

      You have no deck.

  • @michaeljamieson3297
    @michaeljamieson3297 3 года назад +13

    I've been brewing that EXACT Sevinne deck for a few months! I'm torn, because I love him getting a shoutout, but that was also my hidden gem

  • @Nosferat_AN
    @Nosferat_AN 3 года назад +29

    38:30 "i don't think i've ever seen a gyrus deck out in the wild."
    my gyrus deck: *sad reanimating hydra noises*

    • @PhaylogenX
      @PhaylogenX 3 года назад +2

      I have one too, it’s my favourite deck lol.
      Gigantomancer gang rise up

  • @fredriknyqvist7720
    @fredriknyqvist7720 3 года назад +7

    Love the parks&rec T-shirt! Also, excellent work from Murph! Felt very natural and i look forward to seeing him again

    • @kbobMTG1983
      @kbobMTG1983 3 года назад +1

      Glad someone else commented about the parks and rec shirt. One of the best shows to ever be on television.

  • @lordgriselbrand4600
    @lordgriselbrand4600 3 года назад +5

    LOL after you guys started talking about scryfall, I went on there to see if there were enough troll creatures to make a troll deck(there is). And then just a couple minutes later when you showed a random commander from edhrec it was Varolz, the Scar-Striped, who I was just eyeing as a potential commander!

  • @Grevv
    @Grevv 3 года назад +9

    Start at 7:18

  • @blacktooth1987
    @blacktooth1987 3 года назад +10

    Murph has instantly become my favorites member of the command zone team. I'd love to see Murph vs DJ on game knights.

  • @ghostanbu1099
    @ghostanbu1099 3 года назад +38

    I hope after this episode we see more unique commanders being used in Game Knights and Extra Turns. Even when they use the precons I hope they run one of the backup commanders like Josh did with Elsha.

    • @dcd1360
      @dcd1360 3 года назад

      he ran elsha cause she's thebetter commander haha

  • @Zen-708
    @Zen-708 3 года назад +18

    anyone else notice that the art on both cyclonic rift and craterhoof is by the same artist?

  • @enchantdesign9722
    @enchantdesign9722 3 года назад +14

    The staples can be used to hold the unique pages of your commander book together.

    • @williamo5031
      @williamo5031 3 года назад +1

      This is my general outlook. I have a Tatyova deck that runs Consecrated Sphinx, Trade Routes and Cyclonic Rift, but that's because the gameplan is to use Jolrael's ability to turn all of my lands into creatures and swing out!

    • @enchantdesign9722
      @enchantdesign9722 3 года назад

      @@williamo5031 Oh nice synergy. And I like Trade Routes, that's a deep cut. I started playing right when M.M. was Type II!

  • @josealfredopistilli2466
    @josealfredopistilli2466 3 года назад +4

    I love how the Partners commanders let you build unique deck. I just built a Artifact creature deck with Reyhan/Silas Renn based on the Modular keyword and I'm having a blast playing with it!

  • @jebrooks
    @jebrooks 3 года назад +8

    Excellent choice of topics Murph

  • @J10KDDR
    @J10KDDR 3 года назад +9

    I just started constructing a Morophon samurai deck, but the catch is I’m only allowed to use cards in the 99 that were printed in the Kamigawa block. I have play tested the deck and it is absolutely hilarious! 😂

    • @MastaJuggalotus
      @MastaJuggalotus 3 года назад

      I have Morophon as an alternate commander in my Sliver deck. Hive Lord and Overlord being main commanders for it.

    • @techoutsider5631
      @techoutsider5631 3 года назад

      I want to build an O-Kagachi deck with that same restriction.

    • @anicolau
      @anicolau 3 года назад

      i like to put those restrictions to myself too. Like my Mazirek Sacrifice using only cards with Commander symbol, except basic lands. It was fun to build and the deck runs surprisingly well

  • @BigDiff7
    @BigDiff7 3 года назад +61

    Cultivate and Kodama's Reach: Exact same card.
    Me, obnoxiously pushing up my glasses up my nose: Oh, can you Splice Onto Arcane with Cultivate?

    • @miloszivkovic40
      @miloszivkovic40 3 года назад +1

      PAM PAM PAM! :D

    • @Lucarioguild7
      @Lucarioguild7 3 года назад

      Also the puns you make when you play them are way different and the latter's puns tend to be much dirtier

    • @gabrielgaron6476
      @gabrielgaron6476 3 года назад +1

      Exact same card made me think of Dragon Fodder and Krenko's Command

    • @marceloquejinho
      @marceloquejinho 3 года назад

      Thanks, Kodama!!

    • @gypsieking3280
      @gypsieking3280 3 года назад +1

      I like you, Robert.

  • @Just4UGaming
    @Just4UGaming 3 года назад +3

    I like to do a mixture of both! I’ll pick a unique commander and synergies that go with it but Ramp and draw I tend to use the same cards. Saves money and I know they’re useful.

  • @olddaydreams
    @olddaydreams 3 года назад +2

    This was a nice episode kind of refreshing to see from this channel. Thanks guys for all the hard work!

  • @servingzombies
    @servingzombies 6 месяцев назад

    I built the Scarab, Scorpion and Locust around the amonkhet block with a small amount of filler pieces and I love the way they play. Matching lands and everything.

  • @katierumlock6645
    @katierumlock6645 3 года назад +15

    5:00
    The Murph takeover is coming. Nothing can stop it. Pretty soon he’ll have commandeered the entire podcast. Good luck, Josh, but you cannot stop Murph.

  • @user-po6kl5sz8r
    @user-po6kl5sz8r 3 года назад +26

    Yeah, I could buy those UP Gloss sleeves to make my foils shine in the Eclipse sleeves... or I could just use dragon shield which protects my cards better and makes me appreciate my cards without an entirely different product

    • @moxopal675
      @moxopal675 3 года назад +2

      I love the feel on the back

    • @Wolfer1OOO
      @Wolfer1OOO 3 года назад +3

      'wahhh, why are you advertising for your sponsor and not their competitior, wahhh'

    • @moxopal675
      @moxopal675 3 года назад +1

      @@Wolfer1OOO we get it, we are just biased

    • @Wolfer1OOO
      @Wolfer1OOO 3 года назад +1

      @@moxopal675 It's not bias...it's just a sponsor :')

    • @lordgriselbrand4600
      @lordgriselbrand4600 3 года назад +1

      Have u tried the dragon shield non-glare? Idk if I like them better than the original, they have kind of a "frosted" look to them, and others have commented they thought they had more glare. To me, its like a different glare that you see at a different angle, but roughly equal. I'm kinda bummed bc i bought 600 to make a commander cube later

  • @hiddenleaf414
    @hiddenleaf414 3 года назад +1

    Growth Spasm in my Meren deck is a huge tempo swing to cast the turn before her!
    I love finding cards that have a unique synergy with what your deck wants to do.

  • @undying3132
    @undying3132 3 года назад +1

    I made a vehicke deck that had almost all vehicles in it with Kykar as the commander. Every time I cast an artifact/vehicle Khykar creates a 1/1 spirit token that can later be used to crew. I named the deck Self-driving Kars

  • @rowrow_
    @rowrow_ 3 года назад +3

    One deck I've made and am truly proud of is Lurrus of the Dream-Den, with a theme around Milling. You can mill yourself to get card advantage, and then when your pieces are assembled, can control the board or mill out your opponents. I managed to build it with a $50 budget too, and found some great combos and effects to make mill an (almost) viable threat at the table

    • @thegrayfox9179
      @thegrayfox9179 3 года назад

      This sounds so cool would love to see a list

    • @ignaciou.4680
      @ignaciou.4680 3 года назад

      Lurrus is super versatile!! im trying to build a deck around turbofog, because i got a lot of those cards already

    • @rowrow_
      @rowrow_ 3 года назад +1

      @@thegrayfox9179 I uploaded a video deck tech on my channel that covers all the cards I chose for the budget version, but because of cards I found and upgraded (mostly just board wipes and other things I got from my Double Masters box) the tappedout list I have is skewed heavily in price; the PasteBin in the description has the list (and why the cards are selected)

  • @giffs7972
    @giffs7972 3 года назад +4

    I was just about to start brewing my Kruphix deck and I saw this come up, Thank you, this’ll help a lot!

    • @charliemarlow647
      @charliemarlow647 3 года назад

      Great choice, I'm a big Kruphix fan! If you're after ideas, I've jotted down loads of cards I've come across that could work well with him here ("Sideboard" section beneath the main deck): deckbox.org/sets/2681417?s=c&o=a

    • @giffs7972
      @giffs7972 3 года назад

      Charlie Marlow Thanks a ton! The deck was going a bit over my budget and I needed to cut it down, and using some of your suggestions really helped cut it down and didn’t lower the power. Thank you!

    • @charliemarlow647
      @charliemarlow647 3 года назад +1

      @@giffs7972 You're welcome! Glad it helped you and have fun with the almighty Kruphix!
      Side-note on "Prophet of Kruphix": it's banned in multiplayer EDH because it's too good, but in my playgroup we balanced it with a house rule that the untapping lands only happens on the subsequent opponent's turn, not each one. Balances it quite nicely and acts as a cheap mana untapper (only ~$1 currently).

  • @NotTrooper637
    @NotTrooper637 3 года назад +2

    I found this really helpful. I use a populate deck and growth spasm will work really well

  • @xwraiths
    @xwraiths 3 года назад +2

    I fell in love with Xantcha as a commander since the day it was spoiled: the lore, the flavor, the art, the uniqueness, everything meshed into one of the most perfectly designed legendaries ever.
    Built it as soon as I was able to pick up the deck and it has been my favorite commander since that day.

  • @classymofo1059
    @classymofo1059 3 года назад +19

    Let's go! Unleash Murph!!!

  • @hbkjj1773
    @hbkjj1773 3 года назад +3

    Needed this!! love the command zone

  • @Solanne11
    @Solanne11 3 года назад +1

    A little tip for people who play D&D: You can try to build decks based off of your character/s! One of my characters was an Aarakocra Paladin, so I built an Alesha deck (because he died, F) with a sub theme of angels. I had to specifically go out of my way and search for angels with 2 or less power, which was really interesting!

  • @Jrocknrolla
    @Jrocknrolla 3 года назад

    Just built my first Feather deck.. and after Command Fest Online 2...and my own meta (which is quite small but we net deck a bit).. never played against a Feather deck yet.
    For the record, Murph is great on camera and the banter / back and forth is as good as Josh and Jimmy.

  • @markmason2216
    @markmason2216 3 года назад +3

    I remember playing some EDH online with a group I'd never met and a player nearly "scoffed" when I played Sin Collector mentioning that the card is "relatively underpowered' in edh. Then they noticed how it interacted, especially politically, with Athreos, God of Passage... And suddenly the player who scoffed was like. "OH, I can put that back into your hand to exile another extra turn card we KNOW is in our shared opponent's hand. LOL

  • @chaosdemonfivefour9235
    @chaosdemonfivefour9235 3 года назад +5

    Favorite unique card: Illicit Auction. Basically eBay in the middle of an EDH game 🤣

    • @mansonleung7768
      @mansonleung7768 3 года назад +1

      Same here. Always a good laugh when this card gets played in my group!

  • @jth784
    @jth784 3 года назад +1

    I have a Halfdane shapeshifter deck that I can break out just about anywhere without people getting salty. The deck is built around clones and copy spells, so it's really only as powerful as the best stuff at the table. The deck doesn't have any sort of victory condition/combo on it's own, so it usually assembles its win-cons from other players decks.

  • @Lianh16
    @Lianh16 3 года назад

    I play Atla Palani with Mirror March. Whenever a creature comes to play while mirror march is on the field, the table instantly looks at you with fear on their faces, but the odds actually tell that you are mostly going to get one token. I really love it

  • @dennisyoung6122
    @dennisyoung6122 3 года назад +3

    There are many unique card in the sets pre-Mirage that rarely see play. Some of them are even decently powerful or useful.

  • @jagmasta2049
    @jagmasta2049 3 года назад +26

    I once watched an Entali attack rip a craterhoof off my deck, and made him swing lethal

  • @LaceNWhisky
    @LaceNWhisky 3 года назад +1

    I think the two biggest reasons I "net deck" is:
    1. I'm still kinda new to M:tG and don't have a working knowledge of the entire back catalog of cards
    2. Even the cards I do know, I have a hard time remembering exist.
    Using sites like EDHREC just makes it easier to find cards that fit a deck.

  • @patrickmchugh4616
    @patrickmchugh4616 3 года назад

    I always used the food analogy when talking about Unique vs Netdeck Commander lists. Everyone knows an expensive filet mignon seared and basted in butter is going to taste good. It's expensive, it's a classic steakhouse staple if you will. But to take something tougher, or less appetizing and try to make a delicious dish will require more work, or more experimentation. Tripe, brain, or sweetbreads might be less common on menus but the way you must treat them to make something great shows how unique your approach is. When you succeed it feels amazing because you took something a person might find unappealing or less popular and made it great. But it's important to know that whether you eat menudo every morning, or eggs and bacon, it's all good food.

  • @nathanielwatson4194
    @nathanielwatson4194 3 года назад +9

    We need one more josh and we can have the josh game knights Jlk josh Kim and josh Murphy

    • @daltondee5666
      @daltondee5666 3 года назад

      Josh Peck from Drake and Josh. Just for the lols

  • @Crazymachin3gun
    @Crazymachin3gun 3 года назад +3

    Josh I watch some content specifically to see what cards I should add to my commander decks

  • @davidserranogemes9025
    @davidserranogemes9025 3 года назад +2

    My most original deck is a Ramos, nephilims herald deck. Its build so every card takes most advantage of ramos +1 +1 counter hability, while being able to support all 5 nephilims with a lot of cantrip like effect. It has 3 different "I win" (mayael aria, simic supremacy, and labyrithn end) voltron wincondition and the possibility to make huge play. It is also built so you can have jegantha as companion and it includes my pet card, conflux, as one of the most powerful cards in the deck.. It was the first deck that I brewed completely by me with the objective of playing all five nephilims, (since they are my favourite monsters).
    Also one of my favourite jank/unique cards is illicit auction. I included it in my Ink treader nephilim deck and the reaction in the table was priceless, (yes, I know nephilims are not EDH legal but my group allows them as commanders)

  • @hpdre7437
    @hpdre7437 3 года назад +1

    Relevant to the end of the video: my *very first* MtG deck (way back when _Fallen Empires_ was new) was a Pestilence + CoP Black deck (with creatures that also had protection from black). I got out of Magic around Torment/Judgement/Onslaught and only recently got back in, but it is neat to know that I could revive and update that deck with some work. Though it looks like it'd be WR instead of WB, as pointed out in the video. Which is funny, as I also had an Orcish Artillery + CoP Red deck.

  • @felixmortem1177
    @felixmortem1177 3 года назад +6

    I'm pretty sure I'm the only one playing Chainer, Dementia Master as a cEDH deck

    • @danaholland6686
      @danaholland6686 3 года назад

      hate to be the bringer of bad news...

    • @felixmortem1177
      @felixmortem1177 3 года назад +1

      Then there are two people playing Chainer competitively

  • @PokeStatsStudios
    @PokeStatsStudios 3 года назад +26

    30:07 "former game knight Olivia Gobert-Hicks"
    Former? How do you lose the title as a game knight? Did she dishonor herself?

    • @noneyabusinessbruv
      @noneyabusinessbruv 3 года назад +5

      She Armageddoned everyone.

    • @matthewchavez2647
      @matthewchavez2647 3 года назад +10

      Maybe Josh lost the arm-wrestle match

    • @rowrow_
      @rowrow_ 3 года назад

      It's the same reason you never call someone (who wasn't dishonorably discharged) an ex-marine. Only a 'former' marine

  • @xgxwills2857
    @xgxwills2857 3 года назад +1

    My favorite unique deck I've built is a big mana/group hug/pillow fort Kenrith deck that has literally every mana doubling enchantment (even the ones that double for the opponent) and then attempt to use his abilities to just win the game through draining your opponents using something like Vito, and has some don't hit me enchantments in there too (ghostly prison/sphere of safety/etc). It makes for fun games where the deck lets everybody get to play magic even if they do miss a few land drops. People also don't want to hurt the person giving them double/triple/quadruple mana which is a huge plus.

  • @lazynik
    @lazynik 3 года назад

    My first EDH deck is my most unique deck.. it's a doran, the siege tower deck! I still love playing it now and again!

  • @sentientpaperclip874
    @sentientpaperclip874 3 года назад +5

    Was more or less just discussing this, this morning.

  • @NoremacNeek
    @NoremacNeek 3 года назад +3

    Karn, Silver Golem is my most unique deck

  • @CRIMS0N_KING
    @CRIMS0N_KING 3 года назад

    For the prevention theorycrafting I'd run Zurgo Helmsmasher.
    It has protection on your turn and has Boros in its colors while also adding black which adds both redundancy (in pestilence) and tutors to make the deck more consistent. Zurgo also gets huge when you start wiping everyone else's board.

  • @Jptorrent004
    @Jptorrent004 3 года назад

    Your topics have been super interesting lately, keep up the good work!

  • @aarnav3696
    @aarnav3696 3 года назад +6

    "scoffs all these fools in shirts they didn't knit"

  • @JoeGrzzly
    @JoeGrzzly 3 года назад +4

    47:20 I think the problem they reach when discussing Uniqueness with Feather is that they are using "Unique" to describe two different qualities: The Popularity of a Commander & The Rarity of a Commander's Effect. Feather is a Unique Commander; no other commander does what it does. That is what unique means: "One of a Kind". If they used different terms like Underplayed to suggest low Popularity/Familiarity and Unique to describe rare strategies, that would have been more straight forward.

  • @hansolo8080
    @hansolo8080 3 года назад

    I brewed 20 decks, made a spreadsheet and have a friend playing those decks with me / against me. We almost did 36 matches in our first run and covered about a fifth of all possible combinations (best of three).
    The thing that makes it cool is, that we can now finetune these decks and talk about improvements that are reasonable. I orderthe cards we agreed on and we start the circle again. It's really fun to improve and personalize decks step by step. For us it's not about winning in this case, it's about diving into this universe of endless possibilities and just have a good time there.

  • @fellishable
    @fellishable 3 года назад

    I've learned my lesson and bought reap this time. The regrowth argument really did it for me

  • @krvys7226
    @krvys7226 3 года назад +5

    MURPH!

  • @evanelliott8231
    @evanelliott8231 3 года назад +3

    Man, you finally found a way to pitch the eclipse sleeves to me hahah. Now that my bling will sing, I might make the switch from dragon sleeves.

  • @dannykenneway3743
    @dannykenneway3743 3 года назад

    Very informative happy I took the time to watch it

  • @danielspencer4564
    @danielspencer4564 3 года назад

    I have a klothys deck that I built around the idea of the hunger games. There's 3 components to the deck but you don't necessarily need all 3 for the deck to work. The goal of the deck is to end the game as quickly as possible, even if I don't win. I accomplish that by running every damage doubler effect, forcing all creatures to attack, and group card draw so we all have creatures to play. Klothys is great because it makes everyone else's life totals go down each turn, and with one damage double effect that puts a 10 turn clock due to it dealing 4 damage a turn. Super fun to play!

  • @gravewalker1443
    @gravewalker1443 3 года назад +4

    Hey other josh! I’m diggin the shit man

  • @Terashi
    @Terashi 3 года назад +153

    "Don't look down on people for playing cards that might not be super-unique."
    Or just don't look down on people period. You get literally nothing out of it. It doesn't benefit you in any way whatsoever.

    • @PokeStatsStudios
      @PokeStatsStudios 3 года назад +29

      It gives me IMMENSE pleasure to tell people who play craterhoof that they're basic.

    • @Deathsinger99
      @Deathsinger99 3 года назад

      Thank you!

    • @Trainwithseb
      @Trainwithseb 3 года назад +1

      Someone should send the memo to Tolarian Community College. "IF YOU DON'T COLLECT MAGIC LIKE ME, WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

    • @commentresurrection1841
      @commentresurrection1841 3 года назад +5

      That's the coddled culture of everybody wins speaking right there...."We have to be nice and no bullies"!!! Bullies keep the world from being a bunch of weak betas.

    • @nanoacido5174
      @nanoacido5174 3 года назад +15

      @@commentresurrection1841 are you justifying your bully? You didnt deserve it

  • @brcienpartin5462
    @brcienpartin5462 3 года назад

    My rec is learning the set themes about all the old sets/ blocks. If you don't know Odyssey block has discard and graveyard themes, you won't think to look there for graveyard ideas. We take our knowledge for granted; not everyone looks at eventide and says tribal. Time Spiral also has a bunch of jankkkk (Enchant an instant in your graveyard)

  • @MyNickWasTaken137
    @MyNickWasTaken137 3 года назад

    To also post something positive: My most unique deck is my "Fair Magic.dec". It's Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis, one third of the deck is group hug stuff, one third is pillow fort stuff but it's the last third that makes the deck unique. One third of the cards are dedicated to force people to play "fair" magic, like Lavinia who forces people to play on curve, or Blood Moon who penalizes non-basics, or stuff that forces people to play at sorcery speed. The deck has no actual win condition, instead I play Divine Intervention, the only card that says "The game ends and is considered a draw." when certain conditions are met.

  • @joshuarush5762
    @joshuarush5762 3 года назад +3

    Already kicked at the signed level...just wish I could get the whole Command Zone teams signing. Extra 10$ or 20$ !?

  • @TheAverageGuyTAG
    @TheAverageGuyTAG 3 года назад +10

    I make my deck unique by playing a card that is only played in two decks according to EDHRec. ;)

    • @howaboutnow1895
      @howaboutnow1895 3 года назад +4

      What was it?

    • @jackson-lb9lq
      @jackson-lb9lq 3 года назад +3

      TheAverageGuyTAG what card

    • @TheAverageGuyTAG
      @TheAverageGuyTAG 3 года назад

      @The Dawg
      The card is Royal Herbalist, which I play in my "Karlov of the Ghost Council" EDH deck.
      For a while, my deck was the only deck on EDHRec playing Herbalist, which was funny because the sections detailing cards it was played with ended up just being a 1-for-1 list of the cards in my deck. Currently, the only other deck listed on EDHRec seems to just be a joke deck that just compiles a bunch of the worst cards out there.

  • @mong0038
    @mong0038 3 года назад

    Thanks to this video I went back and added in some cards I had previously cut because they weren't good. I like the cards too much though so back in they went. Thanks Murph!

  • @whirlwindsky
    @whirlwindsky 3 года назад +1

    For theme decks I'm getting really close to finishing a dark souls themed deck! Quite excited for it!

  • @peterduncliffe9122
    @peterduncliffe9122 3 года назад +7

    I’m sorting my cards as I’m listening to this

  • @johanandersson6268
    @johanandersson6268 3 года назад +4

    How about a edh deck where you play 99 lands and Vorinclex. They will never see it coming.

    • @AwkwardDreamer
      @AwkwardDreamer 3 года назад

      I had a deck that was 97 islands, a mountain and a fireball.

    • @johanandersson6268
      @johanandersson6268 3 года назад

      LedurtsPlasmaKillCuh Nice 👌.

  • @justinernst5595
    @justinernst5595 3 года назад

    Ahhh the classic Zul Gurub Hakkar bug. Played through it personally, good times. Indeed many parallels between that event and Covid

  • @josephbannon570
    @josephbannon570 3 года назад

    I built a version of the stop hitting yourself deck using marath as the commander, it has quickly turned into an enrage deck but still has spitemare, voodoo doll and boros reckoner being the win conditions. It's really fun using damage doublers to juggle damage between creatures before throwing it at someone's face. Having green makes it very versatile giving it ramp, card draw and fight spells!

  • @ryanoak9
    @ryanoak9 3 года назад +9

    Thing is, love this channel, but the fact that they try to act like UltraPro eclipse are even close to the quality of Dragon Shield makes me cringe every time.

    • @lordgriselbrand4600
      @lordgriselbrand4600 3 года назад +1

      your not the only one

    • @josevelajr
      @josevelajr 3 года назад +1

      They're sponsored by Ultra Pro, so...

    • @hubii2589
      @hubii2589 3 года назад

      Are they that bad? I mean prof said that they are as good as DragonShield and im thinking bout buying new sleeves and I was going to buy eclipse

  • @e2shamir675
    @e2shamir675 3 года назад +3

    Murph!!!

  • @BillNyeTheBountyGuy
    @BillNyeTheBountyGuy 3 года назад

    Protip, if you know a type or style of card that works well for your deck (Tokens, sacrifice, self mill). Look at the commons and uncommons of the sets that showcased mechanics in those flavors. Like populate, delve, dredge, madness, delirium. Often there are draft support cards that can sneak into your deck as well.

  • @amosbirb2616
    @amosbirb2616 2 месяца назад

    35:30 to your point about pet cards, I empathize. The cards I’ve become known for in my playgroup are Defense of the Heart and Viridian Revel (thanks to this podcast for the latter)

  • @th5174
    @th5174 3 года назад +4

    Is it just me or are all these “unique” cards gonna be normal in a couple days lol

  • @gimmethejuice7305
    @gimmethejuice7305 3 года назад +3

    MUUURRRRRRPPPHHHH

  • @nicholasames2553
    @nicholasames2553 3 года назад +1

    Great topic Murph! I would honestly like to see one of his "unique" decks on an episode of extra turns. Perhaps the Sivenne deck that was theorized? And as always quality content from the fools in non selfknit shirts!

  • @jordanhansen5934
    @jordanhansen5934 Год назад

    My first deck was based around Jhoira of the Ghitu. I built it using cards recommended by EDHREC. I didn’t have a real plan and I was just using things other people were using. When I tried it out it was a complete train wreck.
    Naturally I scrapped it and searched for a new commander. I then came upon Glissa the Traitor and fell in love with her implied strategy. HOWEVER, I didn’t want to repeat the mistakes of the past. So I spent some time actually thinking about what I wanted to do with this deck to truly make it my own. Then I remembered Infect.
    I’ve loved that mechanic ever since I got my first Phyrexian Hydra and wanted to build a deck around it. That’s when I decided to marry Glissa’s love of artifacts and card destruction with Infect. Let me tell you, it’s a match made in heaven and I enjoy every second of playing with that deck.
    Of course I still went online to look up cards and strategies for this deck, but ultimately this deck is my own unique creation. Is it the most powerful or competitively viable? Certainly not, but I like playing with it and at the end of the day that’s all that matters.

  • @VexylObby
    @VexylObby 3 года назад +6

    My issue with "unique is not better" is that without inventiveness, the quest for originality, what are we doing? Droning around just mimicking each other? We need innovation and uniqueness to further progress, introduce more ideas. Net-decking would be sparse and boring if those that sought uniqueness didn't think of something new. We have limited time and resources as human beings, we better come up with new ideas on the regular. So to me, most of the time, not being unique is simply wasting time.
    Also, I don't think shirts and accents are a good metaphor for a context that requires contruction and creativity.

    • @johnromero6315
      @johnromero6315 3 года назад +2

      Exactly! I don't even see how people have fun when they just copy a top tier deck that won a recent event or something. The game is much more fun when you're actually playing your opponents deck, rather than a deck that everyone just copy and pasted because they have lost the ability to think critically.

  • @JakeJustLaughs
    @JakeJustLaughs 3 года назад +6

    Is my 99 forest Omnath deck NOT unique?!

    • @NPCJulian
      @NPCJulian 3 года назад

      You would need mountains . Plus full art lands for snergie

  • @cloudyboi13
    @cloudyboi13 3 года назад +1

    Awesome job, Murph! 💪💪💪

  • @baltosstrupelos302
    @baltosstrupelos302 3 года назад

    My contribution for unique cards is Planar Birth. I use it in my Boros discard+graveyard deck to ramp. Playing it after discard a few basics from turn 1
    Land Tax feels so good!

  • @Hitzel
    @Hitzel 3 года назад +6

    I feel that at a certain point, fixating on the uniqueness of you "win con" becomes a big fallacy. The vast majority of your gameplay experience in a game of commander is getting to your win condition, the way it actually wins after you've pulled all of that off is honestly a bit of a side-note. A table of decks that all ultimately get to the win via Craterhoof or Thassa's Oracle aren't homogenized if they're all taking drastically different routes to get there and employing different strategies to deal with other players. It's about the journey, not the destination ─ this becomes more and more true the higher power level you play at.

    • @AhranMaoDante
      @AhranMaoDante 3 года назад

      Agree. When I first got back into EDH, I had a Jund deck with an improbable to pull off win con, that made upwards of 2 million hasty tokens in 9 quick loops of the combo. Lost all but one game, and the one that I won I managed to Genesis Wave into the combo; regardless I scrapped the deck.
      That said, I do have some rather unique cards in some of my decks that have some synergies, but aren't necessary.

  • @bradycurtis668
    @bradycurtis668 3 года назад +3

    My deck built on killing you with rakdos signet is pretty unique

    • @nicholasstavash7880
      @nicholasstavash7880 3 года назад

      Plez explain

    • @notsuspiciousthejudgmental2423
      @notsuspiciousthejudgmental2423 3 года назад

      Generate infinite tokens for your opponents, then rakdos signet them. They lose. However Idk how you would do that with rakdos, but with pheldagrif there’s a way, but I can’t remember the name of the card that deals damage when a creature enters under an opponents control

    • @bradycurtis668
      @bradycurtis668 3 года назад +1

      Notsuspicious the judgmental actually mine is about turning rakdos signet into a creature then pumping it with infect, no infinite combos because my playgroup doesn’t let me

    • @notsuspiciousthejudgmental2423
      @notsuspiciousthejudgmental2423 3 года назад

      Brady Curtis my bad, I was thinking about rakdos charm, not signet

  • @djinkygaming
    @djinkygaming 3 года назад

    I have what I would call a unique deck that probably only I have. It’s a deck with Kenrith, called See Yourself Out the Door. It has a 25 card combo that, when done correctly, leaves your opponents with only 1 option: activate a Door of Nothingness targeting themselves. It’s kinda hard to explain in detail but if people want i’ll go into more detail on it 😁

  • @lucasschigart2721
    @lucasschigart2721 3 года назад

    a friend of mine got a morophon tribal tribal deck and thats no typo. he plays changelings and all the anthems and lords of all the tribes, and he casts spells to make them too to changelings. its glorious.