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Blackmagic Pocket 6K Pro vs Sony Fx6 | Image Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 18 июл 2023
- In this video, I am comparing the image of the Sony FX6 and the Blackmagic Pocket 6K Pro. In this- UNscentific test, I put the cameras through a run-and-gun naturally lit scene whilst trying to match the field of view and comparing the differences between the two camera sensors.
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Blackmagic Pocket 6K Pro
6K Braw Q5
LUT: Buttery Gen 5 Rec 709
Sony FX6
4K XAVC-I
LUT: Phantom Neutral LUT
Lens: Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 DG OS HSM Art Lens
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Hey everyone. Thanks for the comments: Camera A is the FX6 & Camera B is the 6K Pro.
dnt know if its the LUT, but first time am seeing so much green cast into p6k compared to Sony in camera B lol. But either one get the job done. so If you had the money:
Ergonomics definitely goes for fx6, that e-nd/shape factor makes it a winner. but the fx6 is nearly 3 time the price of a p6k pro lol.
For me it was the clouds not being blown out like on Camera B. I’m guessing the slight color shift from the internal NDs of the 6k pro give off that slightly yellow green look which isn’t that noticeable if you aren’t looking for it.
its obvious. "Camera B" give better colors under natural light, better than any other, exept the arri sensors. FX6 is for run & gun. 2 very diffent tools.
BM always just looks better to me. 😅
I feel the same, but Sony's colours are much better than they used to be
@films_by_aw it just has this texture and deep colors that are very appealing to me. I LOVE my BM cameras paired with some vintage lenses. CZ distigon Ts . I also really enjoy some canon FD (particularly the 50mm 1.4) and of course the Helios 44-2 🥰🤩
@@brettalexander.studio Yes it's a great camera for experimenting with different looks. And yes it has this filmic texture that is similar (not exactly the same but similar) to the Alexa Classic/Mini/Amira to the point where I've used as a B Cam to those. I just wish it had more mount options
Gotta say I think the Sony wins this for me
Sony has better colour and is much cinema like.
Footage from either camera, used to shoot a film, and then color corrected and graded......no one can tell what camera it was shot on, nor that it looks like anything other than awesome. People don't watch movies shot on two different cameras side by side. A film could be released shot on either camera, and the quality of the footage would be detrimental to its success because both cameras are excellent.
Exactly, people watch films for the story, it's about the artists in front of the lens and behind the camera. You can't go wrong with any camera these days really, just go out and make your films.
Nice test! I see the benefit of the handheld on the sony. That said, I can not get over how much more I like the color and depth in the BMPCC Pro.
Thanks for sharing.
I'm a sony user and I really expected to walk away preferring the BM image, but I think my preference for the image alternates between shots
The gross yellow/greens on the trees always give the sonys away.
easy fix if you know what you're doing
On those handheld tracking/following shots - The FX6 the camera shake looks like a creative choice, on the blackmagic like a mistake.
I'm afraid that this is due to the cameraman, not the camera.
@@thierryfortier605 It's down to the sensor read out speed.
Hi sir iam from India.... My opinion is both camera's performs similar but... black magic footage little better then Sony fx.... I have small doubt using samsung note 10 plus can we make shot film .or can I use iphone or Samsung for mobile cinematography
Great video to show some images side by side, thank you for that!
I work with a BMCC6K and 4K, and I love them both.
In the back of my mind I think about if the FX6 is a better choice, and I think I would be super happy with that choice... but... the price difference isnt worth it for a lot of people who are shooting video.
We use the first gen BMCC6K and its $1800, $2500 for the pro, and now its less and we have a full frame BMCC6K you can buy for the $2500 amount.
It's hard to compete with the price and what you get.
Still love the FX6, never used one before and would love to one day, but for now, I'll stick with my BM's and upgrade my other gear around it until its time to upgrade!
The luts are reducing your dynamic range. I'd go for something better like Dehancer or FilmConvert Nitrate to preserve the most latitude
Whaa? Final output of every footage on a social media device, if it is not HDR or so, can go as high as 10-11 stops. Dynamic range is not the look of unassigned grays in your toil.
@@shakaofthezulu If he grades with a color managed timeline and Wide Gamut, your dynamic range is increased to the max. I can see from this footage that his DR was being crippled by the luts, which makes sense as luts don't have the same latitude as wide gamut
Dynamic range really isn't that important, it's about achieving the best possible look. You want your camera to record as much dynamic range as possible as a tool; it's like RAW, we don't watch videos on RUclips in RAW, it's a tool to achieve the best results.
@@johnbray9770 It is important if you're comparing dynamic range between cameras. In this video's example, it's like having a couple of sprinters running the 100 meter dash while wearing ankle weights. I do agree that the best possible look is the primary goal.
So hard to tell the differences between cameras these days ! They have all come a long way. I really can't tell the difference if I ignore the differences between the focal lengths.
Great video again! Keep it up
Yeah depth of field is one thing, but besides that I think both cameras can do the same job on the image. I could have done a better job on the handheld for the Pocket though.
Plenty of great options for filmmakers.
When it comes to image quality you cant go wrong with any new camera nowadays. It comes down to functionality. Do you want built NDs, audio inputs, autofocus, size etc. A crazy time
Yeah literally any camera, I mean they shot the creator with an fx3 and I've heard it's actually most of the film not just a few shots. Although the links I read could be wrong
@@stuartswindellcampoy8483Their one light probabally cost more than the fx3. Just like those iphone promotional videos. Any tool on set might be more expensive than the iphone itself.😂
@@nightdonutstudio yeah at the end of the day it's all about the lighting and set design
Did you shoot the P6K in ProRes? Would explain why the shot is so contrasty in comparison. The FX6 looks much better here.
Or maybe it's the Lut?
I just sold my BM Pocket 6k which I loved. But I could justify using it as much as my FX6 and FX30. The FX6 just amazing to work with even tho. there is a slight quality sacrifice. The FX6 is going to be my go to cam for the next 3 years where the BMP6Kpro is aging differently.
For day-to-day shooting the FX6 is far superior (to use, not looks), but there's something about the 6K Pro image that I always gravitate to. But FX6 and working in the Sony workflow will help you make more money, to be honest.
That Phantom lut really crushes the blacks in an unpleasant way sadly
Thanks for the feedback matey, will keep that in mind for the next one.
BlackMagic is colder you can really see this in the side by side at 7:50. I personally like the fx6 image better but they are very close and both quite good. I could certainly use either just fine! I think nowdays you are looking more at features, handling, and lens mount? Do you have investment in lenses already? Canon EF mount or Sony E mount? Do you want variable ND, full frame, amazing autofocus, full size XLR, SDI and 4K 120 along with the newer Sony Emount system with its advantages over the older EF mount? Or would you like ability to shoot raw in camera, up to 6k, a nicer monitor (and better menu system) and the older EF mount which although built for DSLR cameras, has a entrenched large system of lenses which are readily available most places?
You don't know the WB for both cameras. Both Cameras use Log/ Raw so you can make the camera look as blue/yellow/magenta/green as you want, in post. YOu can also manipulate the color Matrix in sony. You should also be able to do that on the BM since you can CC though the ATEM software, maybe I am wrong though.
@@QuarzenZechenSoehne I don’t know the WB for both camera in that particular shot but I have used them both and BM tends to be a bit more cold than the new Sony color science on the FX6. I think Sony is now closer to Canon’s ‘magenta biased’ color science which tends to look good on skin tones (and some other things as well) but may not be as technically accurate. But just
my opinion. I’m an FX6 owner…as a ‘one man band’ it suits me better than the pocket 6k pro but I will say the pocket 6k pro might be the best value for money camera out there. Amazing image for around 3k….hard to believe.
@@907DP yeah I can confirm , well I believe they were both at 5600. Not sure about the wb difference in the video maybe it was the luts used.
@@stuartswindellcampoy8483 yeah it's just a difference in the colors between the two cameras. Both look really good and depending on what you are shooting either one might look preferable to the other. Choosing between those two cameras is a definite win, win proposition!!! Such amazing choices we have nowadays!
@@907DP yeah we can't go wrong these days
Great work Anderson!
Would love to see more real-world thoughts on different pieces of kit.
Thanks Carl, I am definitely looking forward to making some more content like this in the near future.
BM - better for me... Color so pretty...
Ive had a chance to shoot with the fx6 and bm. In the beginning i liked the colors more on the bm. But after i found out how to change color profiles to arri colors fx6 is now my favorite. And i find bm to be a little to saturated. Which kills the filmic view. But both are great.
Thanks for this video! I am trying to understand more about recording videos, especially in low light scenarios and you did a great job between the two cameras. I am not a video guy and trying to learn this info is rough! I am thinking off getting a Black Magic 6k g2 pocket camera to record my firework videos and I have a lot to learn about all the settings!! Great comparison and I thank you!
Thanks for the kind words. Yes get it if you can afford it, it's a great camera to learn the basics on, it doesn't have complicated settings and has all the basics you need. Make sure you get a decent tripod, as you don't want to pay all that money for a good camera and then risk it on a janky tripod.
The BMP6K easily beats the FX6 in this comparison. BMP6K has better color, better clarity, and a better look all the way around.
agree it has better out of the box color. but 2 min in resolve and they can match perfectly
BM's highlight roll-off and colours looks a lot better. Sony isn't bad in terms of colours but the highlights seemed to clip extremely fast. Would this require different shooting methods such as ETTR on the FX6 and bring up shadows in post?
Other than low light performance I can't see why people love the picture from Sony cameras so much. Looks too clinical and camcorder like for my taste.
@@KHR0M3K0R4N Clinical looks can be edited. There's no reason to buy a cinema camera to use it as is. It's all up to the skills and vision of the editor. It's arguably easier to start with a blank canvas i.e. a clinical look, than something already very stylised.
There's a reason why Venice is being used in cinema. If it was a camcorder look, Hollywood wouldn't be using them.
Nice video, remember to make sure the equipment works nicely together before going out on location though!
BM colors look more natural and pleasing; Sony always has an artificial look to its colors. But, as you said, they've vastly improved their color science.
A - FX-6. B-BMPCC 6K Pro
😮😮😮 BlackMagic 6k Pro WOW
bmpcc is way better. The fx6 looks like every sony camera : digital and boring. @6:18 look how crushed the black is on the fx6, really bad. Same with that ugly highlights roll off
I like both.
there is some magic in blackmagic
Camera A. Sony just has those reds that I like so much. I would warm up the footage from the Sony for my taste and the BM was just Sharp and green tent to it.
GREAT VIDEO GUYS
the only reason I am selling my BM6k and going with the FX6, is for the auto focus , but for the price I paid for the BM6k I can get another one and have 2 camera, but the Fx6 is Netflix approved smdh I am so confuse on this any advice will HELP.
Go with the camera that will make you the most money. I think the whole Netflix approved thing is a bit of a red herring, as the Arri Alexa (the most widely used camera in cinema and episodic TV) isn't netflix approved. And that is a farce really. Fx6 is a much more usable camera for day to day production, and yes while it is more, you can charge more for your day rate as well.
The Black Magic 6k with the GEN 5 BUTTERY NATURAL REC709 LUT is more superb. Far more detailed sharpness with a cinematic look
Walking and shooting with a BMPCC 6k pro is not something anyone would do without stabilzing.
Black magic is colder or more pure
B is blackmagick 6k pro
Correct
Cam A is Sony and Cam b is bm. Cuz I believe fx6 would make it better with details in shadows.
Image quality on both these are excellent. Purely subjective at this point. But which one is more usable in terms of real world applications for average cutomers? I think Sony takes it albeit at a higher cost.
Sony is far far more usable on an actual job. The image quality is close enough for most things. But as I focus more on personal projects these days I can use what camera I want. But the FX6 is like the F55 or FS7 before it, an absolute production workhorse.
i prefer the black magic
Image is less of an issue. The real difference is ergonomics and versatility which the FX6 is better. IMHO
Very true!
bmpcc 6K is the natural clean more fx6 but fx6 good for the portrait video not cinematic looks.
I am starting to despise cameras with dual base ISO's because what is really happening is we are getting more ISO's that are unusable due to noise! For example, in the Pocket 6K Pro, the ISO is not usable between 400 and 1000 and above 2000 depending on your taste. I find it far more difficult to use a camera like this than say an URSA 12K which has usable ISO's between 125 to 1250. It's just more logical to have consecutive usable ISO's starting from 100 going up with no gaps in between.
I don't know if this is the case on the 12k, but I know on the pocket cameras the allocation of dynamic range changes based on where you are within the current iso bracket. For instance, if you're shooting in a high-key environment it may look more pleasing to shoot at iso 640-1000 because the camera will allocate more dynamic range to the highlights giving a more pleasing roll-off. Since you're shooting for a high-key look you probably wouldn't have to worry about deep shadow areas where noise would be noticeable. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but that's the way the sensor is designed.
I know Arri does something similar where their dynamic range allocation changes depending on the iso. I know many people think of iso as a means to offset or fine-tune exposure, but I find on the pockets and other cinema cameras that's just not how it's designed to be approached. I find the best way to approach exposure on a pocket is to set the iso based on how I want the dynamic range allocated, and then use the iris or NDs to fine-tune the final exposure. And if I'm in low light then the second iso bracket is a life-saver, even if it does come with a slight hit to the overall dynamic range.
I have the BM but considering selling my entire kit for the fx6 body. The BM renders too well and I dont need interviews to look like Hollywood masterpieces😂....however, Sony seems to render much cleaner in lowlight making it likely the most versatile choice.
If you feel it's the better tool for what you do, go for it. I didn't really talk about the other practical differences such as battery life, lens mount etc, but to operate with, the fx6 is a better camera to use for sure.
@@films_by_aw im in Art of Documentary so yeah, bm isnt super great for that
I do prefer the Sony image and its handling looks great too (love it how you can shoot against your body). Also e-mount lenses are plentiful and more modern. However I’m a BM user, and I like its small and relatively discreet size, and you can also flip out the screen and use it as another point of contact against your stomach or chest. Does wonders to handheld operation. But lenses are an issue for BM, they aren’t making new EF lenses anymore. Still okay for now but it’s a dead end. Overall though it’s not about the camera. Not even about the operator. It’s about what you shoot. Generally BM, with all its limitations, allows me to shoot a great variety pf stuff, small body with a great monitor, discreet, easy to travel with, you can take risks with it as it’s cheaper (film near salt water for instance) etc etc
I go through phases where I use the flip out monitor as an extra point of contact, but it's not ideal, as I always felt if I held it too closely then it could be damaged. And as that is the main input point of the entire camera I don't want to risk it. But it just depends on the situation. But I agree about the lens options and their limitations. But my clients don't seem to care and I've never had anyone comment that the footage is anything other than great, but I want to experiment more with different types of optics (pl mount). My favourite lenses are Zeiss superspeeds mk 2's and my ideal situation would be to use them with this camera (I've gone the Contax Zeiss route and it's too much of a minefield). But at the end of the day you can't go wrong with any of these cameras
@@films_by_aw I’ve used the flip out screen this way since I bought the 6k pro a couple of years ago (when it was released) and it hasn’t let me down yet. Everything works fine. It’s more robust than it looks! That’s probably my favourite handling aspect of that camera (and handling is my number 1 priority for camera choice), I do find the normal mirrorless flip out screens a very average solution for video. Too small, get in the way of cables, easy to damage. The only advantage is that on-camera mic doesn’t block the screen.
But yeah I agree, can’t go wrong with either
Pocket 6k looks like film.
Days of sizeable cluncky manual focusing setups are over. I'd instead prefer a smaller autofocusing setup over large heavy setup. Something that has electronic image stabilization over gimballs. Sony should put the features of vlogging focused Sony ZV E1 to more FX cameras.
While autofocus on cameras like the fx6 and A7siii are great, it still isn't right for every situation. The cameras are deciding what they think should be in focus, which when you are shooting interviews, it's great. But I still find myself turning off autofocus to choose what I want in focus for artistic reasons. So there will always be a place for manual focus lenses. And I don't always want to be limited to Sony/Sigma/Tamron lenses because they are the only ones with autofocus
Then you’re not someone I would hire for a film production. Commercial? Sure. RUclips video? Sure. Documentary? Sure, but you want manual focus on anything bigger where intention and creative control is essential.
🔥🔥🔥
Fx6 for bokah and softness
BM6kpro for colour
no need to buy an ecoensive Sony if you can get BM quality that is far more superior in image quality.
Black magic super
Image and color science and cost.
BM image was much better.
Cam A - Blackmagic Cam B - Sony
Oh - CAMERA A is BMPCC6K
it's easy to distinguish the difference between the full frame and S35 sensors from these cameras.
Like how the S35 sensors preserves better highlights?
A is BM and B is sony ?
Blackmagic video always looks greenish and desaturated to me it looks like the white balance is not right
I would say the FX6 was #2. The bigger sensor is obvious, not in quality but field of view at mostly equal f-stops and focal lenghts.
I cannot justify the expense of moving from BM to Sony. The value is just not there. There are ways around rolling shutter jello, and cutting RAW in Davinci is sooooo much faster than the alternatives.
Yes, I agree, I like the Sony, but having the 6k Pro already, there isn't a jump in quality (image wise) to justify the price, however, it is a very versatile camera, that is great for shooting quickly and getting good looking footage, and having better battery life (without having to rig it up massively) is really helpful. But If I'm honest, I just prefer the 6K's image.
@films_by_aw Yeah, if I depended on the internal battery, work would be interrupted too often.
Camera A is the 6K Pro & Camera B is the FX6.
Almost man, it's the other way around
BM has a foreshortening effect on all shots.
A blackmagic B Sony 🧐
Close but it's the other way around
@@films_by_aw great comparison, I was looking at the warmth and sharpness. I use to use my sony a7iii and 6500 for video until I upgraded to the bmpcc 6k and 4k. I’ve been tempted to go back to the cinema line of sony but I already sold all my sony glass for EF mount outside of a few lenses for photos. It’s definitely tempting though lol… I like blackmagic just wish it had more flexibility lens wise.
Camera B is the sony fx6
Almost, they look really similiar in a lot of ways, but the FX6 is Camera A
Camera a is the Blackmagic
FX6 beats the BMP6K in literally every area but not having internal RAW recording. If you can't grade 10-bit Sony 4.2.2 footage to your pleasing, then it's on the user, not the camera. Sony's recent line has their colour science down.
A, FX6 WIN
it seems the FX 6 have a very crazy greenish on low light, but it's hard to judge a movie from youtube. Of course if the platforms that are used are those, then I would say that the LUTs used are really bad. I think you can get better grades. This can only be said by you, who have worked on the files. In this test the 6k pro is much better
We used the phantom luts that are regarded as one of the best for Sony line, if you have a better one in mind please let me know as I'd like to check them out :)
@@stuartswindellcampoy8483 I can't tell because I've never used FX6 or even those luts, but I'd like to see how it performs using just a conversion from Slog 3 to rec709. LUTs often mislead
@@stuartswindellcampoy8483 Is there any slog 3 FX6 files to download for testing?
@@renatozanardo9648sorry matey, no these files won't be made available for use online, but it's something I will keep in mind for the future.
@@films_by_aw I found a downloadable Slog 3. What I did is I set Aces cct then I converted Slog3 gamut 3 to rec 709. The result is a slightly pink file, but correctable and very good, I did a grading and I didn't notice any tendency towards greenish. Really nice file. I think I will buy the FX 6. Thanks a lot