Is THIS the *NEW* BEST SHOWER BACKER BOARD?! (Called the Manufacturer)
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2022
- Hey Gang! We've got a fun one today. Let's start off by showing you the end result of Mom's shower! It turned out absolutely beautiful, but since we didn't tile it, we couldn't show you that process. It just so happens we're building a shower in our current project from start to finish and we DO get to show you every step of the way on this one! Let's start with backer board and water proofing with our Schluter Kerdi. We stopped by the store to pick up some cement board and as fate would have it they were completely out, so we picked up this Triton board and fell in love. On top of that they had excellent customer service and apparently plan to roll out some awesome products so we'll be on the lookout! We can't wait to show you all of our tips on how to get a professional and stunning shower in your bathroom, and you can apply what we're showing you in these videos to most applications and challenges you face! Thanks for watching and we'll see ya on the next one!
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I'm a contractor and wanted to comment on your easy going, friendly, and open to change and trying new materials/techniques. Also love how you teach your son and he teaches you in return. Great channel.
Arbor & Earth, Truly a reply that uplifted all who read it. Thanks.
there is always great new stuff coming out, it's great seeing someone open to finding the best thing to use.
This is my 1st video I'm watching from them and just subscribed to this channel for this exact reason.
best part of these videos is the display of an awesome relationship between father and son.
AGREED!! 💯
I love that your doing this for your mom. She raised you right, and now in turn, you're raising your son to be a great person too. 🤝
If you got 8 kids, 1-2 of the kids should at least turn out alright.
He didn't tell you how much he us charging her!! :) sent from his mom ;)
@@anderslarsen4024 Perfection by volume! ;)
The only thing my mom ever taught me was how to cash in a payday loan. I I turned out alright.
@@anderslarsen4024 Ma had three🤔 one turned out OK 😉🎯
Re: backer board. I have used Kerdi board in the past but it is very expensive. My latest project I used Go-Board by Johns Manville. It is a third the cost of Kerdi and easier to waterproof the joints and screw holes. No thinset required for waterproofing. Cuts with a utility knife. 8 pounds per 3by5 sheet.
I love Go Board also. Kerdi has been sold out at the tile shops around here. I dont think Id use kerdi again just because of cost.
Likewise. Good stuff!
I use Hydro-blok
@@mikez4132 Another thumbs up for Go Board. It's pretty easy to get at Lowes and works great.
Yeah, Schluter is pricing themselves out of the market. It's also hard to find these days, which creates a huge opening for the other manufacturers. I like Kerdi board, but man.... it's a ridiculous price now. $140 for a 1/2" 4x8 sheet!!
I really admire the way your son and you get along, great father and son team !
I owned a residential HVAC business for over 30 years. Mys son started coming on the job with me when he had days off at school. We worked side by side for many of the 30 years. One of the hardest things about retiring was not being with him every day. We both learned many life lessons thru working together. It was very rewarding for me.
The diff in the seam tape coating is the resistance to the chemicals in the cement board and the thinset. Not needed for the new non cementitious backers.
Technically it should still be used to protect against the effects of the chemicals in the thinset.
You have the best construction channel on RUclips. You do such a good job explains and demonstrating that a guy like me who can’t drive a nail can give some of these jobs a go. Bravo!!
That's why I bought a nail gun. No problem driving a nail.
The gray mesh tape is coated for alkali resistance. Most thin-set have alkali in them and when you use non-coated not immediately but over time the chemical in the thin set will break down that mesh so the gray tape with the special coating resist the chemical in the thin-set. The standard mesh you would use with spackling or drywall mud etc. none of those products you would want to use in a wet area like a shower.
Same with screws, seen a few with drywall and decking screws.
Is that a critical thing? Will this affect the tile from bonding to the substrate, Will it cause water to penetrate porcelain tile, Will it cause the grout to fail?
THE REASON I LOVE THIS CHANNEL:
When i was about 19-20 years old, i started working for my buddies family company. His dad started a kitchen and bath remodeling / painting / handyman business. It was quite successful, and I was working 40 hrs a week while going to school. It was one of the most fun and rewarding jobs i had ever has and i have saved myself thousands with what i have learned in the trade. Long story short, my buddys dad was absolutely hilarious and quirky. An all around good guy. He was like a second father to me.
Paul reminds me so much of him and i just enjoy watching these videos and remembering all the hard work i used to do with them in this industry. When Paul took his finger and swiped the thinset off that 90 degree cut on the risers, I laughed my butt off at his facial expression afterwards!! 😆😆😆 My old boss used to do that exact same thing!
Keep up the hard work and amazing content boys, i enjoy every minute of it!!!
Couple of notes for you so you could do better job on your next install.
1. Install your base first than membrane over with at least 3" fold onto walls and curb ( fold your corners into a gap between 2 boards- don't cut them ) next install your inside and outside corners at all junctions of base and walls keeping thinset to a minimum. Next install your membrane onto walls in horizontal layout ( not vertical as schluter guys recommend ) starting at the bottom and overlapping 2-3 inches follow with seals for pipes and valves.
2. After all above is completed use Schluter Coll on all base to walls and curb connections with 2 inch wide spread as well as all pipe seal connections.
Side note- depending on availability in your region you might opt for Laticrete hydroban cementicious or at least Ardex 8+9. I have had great success with Hydroban cementicious. I personally run two coats over all joints smoothing second coat in all edges after few minute 4 inch taping knife keeping away from corners itself.
I had the same incredible experience with Triton nearly a year ago. PETE YBANEZ (director of US operations?) was terrific. He went above and beyond to get more boards to me when they were hard to source here is Southern Arizona. I am glad you let viewers know about their amazing customer care and great product.
Concrete board works! Been doing tile and Marble since 1978 My showers are still standing!
I grew up without a dad.. and Jordan u have one the smartest, funniest, knowledgeable, entergetic dads in the world ...
Best construction channel on YT. I think because you explain things with details and insights, and you apprach the videos as you are TALKING TO US, not talking AT US. BRAVE SP!
THANK YOU, Paul & Jordan for the “finished” long shots of Mom’s shower. I appreciate the combo of form and function. Please include more of the done and done picture for me to admire! You guys are a great team.
Me and my Dad have been using this backer-board here in South Texas for about 2-3 years now, the weight savings, score/snap and silica-free features are life changing! They carry it at our local Dal-Tile and Sutherlands store but last we checked they were all out, hoping they're in stock again. Also, I always wondered about which side to use but went with the rough side to be safe, glad to see that it's a a big issue.
You guys definitely should look into getting yourself a collated screw gun to make putting the backer board even faster and more easily done by one person , if needed. I recently just got the Milwaukee drywall gun and the collated attachment for it, bought some Senco backerboard screws and a Makita 6in square bit drive and im ready to screw away. It's especially life changing if you have to screw down 1/4in boards for tiling upstairs. It's a MUST HAVE for that situation.
Last little note, there is actually an even better backboard that we recently got to use in a big job a few months ago. It's called GoBoard. It's even lighter than the triton backer board, waterproof and made of an insulation type foam, much stiffer and rigid than the Shluter foam stuff. They make it in 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 1in, 2in. All you need to do is water proof the seams. Great stuff.
Much appreciated thx 👊👍
Goboard is awesome!
I love Go-Board light, waterproof and worth the $$
Great job Paul. Your mom is so blessed to have a family who can take care of her. Hope she has many years of enjoyment in her house.
I would have wrapped the membrane over the bottom of the niche. Makes it far more waterproof and allows water to roll down instead of hitting a seam. nice content and appreciate the upload
StudPack strikes again! Information and inspiration in one video. Thanks for your craftsmanship and the comeraderie you two share. You make us feel like we’re part of the family. Rock On SP!
Triton's staff rock in providing you with the best information!!!
Can’t like this video enough! Beautiful shower. I love that you’re doing so much for your mom and she can retain her independence. It can be so hard recovering from slips, and this will let her feel secure and safe for many more years. ❤️
I always found it amazing how you can do so much. Having that much knowledge to do a kitchen AND a full shower with tiling and everything, and all the electrical stuff too??? This is just awesome.
I've never heard of Triton backer board. I wish I knew about it a year ago when I remodeled my shower. Nonetheless, I appreciate the information!
I wish they had Schluter products when I started laying tile instead of at the end of my tile setting days. I may have lasted 10 more years. haha.
Great work Stud Pack crew.
Love your channel. I'm a tile contractor in SC. I started using Go Board by Johns Manville a couple years ago. I love it! Light weight like kerdi board but very stiff like backer board. Waterproof on both sides and cuts with a knife. Has it's own sealant as well. I cover all the seams withe kerdi band and use schluter pans and drains. You can order it at Lowes and some tile stores stock it. And it's also very reasonably priced. Use it once and you won't use anything else on your walls!
Its Good stuff, except it smells like dead fish. LOL
Paul you are a gifted teacher, thanks for bringing this knowledge to us newbies
Always excited to see a new video! You guys are always teaching and demonstrating new and awesome ways to do things.
love watching you guys.. some of the most informational content I have found on shower and kitchen installs, and fun to watch.. great job guys
Both tapes are fiberglass and alkali resistant. Most of the time you only want to use the manufacturer recommended tape with the corresponding thin set. The glue that holds the tape fibers together can react differently depending on the chemical composition of the thin set. Most thin sets will be either potassium of sodium based. If you use the wrong tape with the wrong thin set it can cause the glue to break down and the tape to fail, which means you with get movement in the joint which can then cause the grout to crack. The Gray tape I believe has an extra silicone coating that protects the glue from reacting by putting a physical barrier between the thin set and the glue binding the fiberglass strands together. This extra coating is why is costs so much more.
I got encouraged by your videos and went and got licensed and will be trying this thanks for the knowledge you share freely that you worked so hard to learn. Stay safe and keep doing it the stud pack way
Yeah!!! Thanks for the full shots of the finished product!! Looks fantastic.
Great job! Love seeing new and innovative products being used. Thanks for the video!
I can't wait for this channel to really blow up. You guys do an incredible job explaining and editing. Much respect!
I’ve wondered what became of Moms shower, thanks for letting us see the results.
That shower came out incredibly nice folks! Great work and the tile matchup...perfectly done.
I've been tile settig at a high level for 25 years. I always go back to Permabase with Hydro Ban liquid waterproofing. I pour a concrete pan with a Flo Fx shower drain.
Great stuff as always StudPack. You guys are killin’ it - best DIY content on the Toob by far.
Awesome that you let people know how important it is to "read the instructions!" I have worked so many jobs where people did not want to read and or get instructions and the time and money wasted were epic!!
Your channel is amazing! Keep up the great job!!
HAPPY FOR MOMMA!.....Great work!
Nice work, your place in the will is secure. Your Mom is blessed to have family that looks out for her. I’m sure she’ll love it.
THE MESH TAPE.
Ones used for backer and tile are ALKALI RESISTANT. Just like the coated backer screws.
Thinset is VERY basic on the PH scale, and it can corrode regular nails and screws (hot dipped galvanized and the gold colored ones) as well as non-alkali resistant mesh tape over time.
Good feedback Alex
As great as Schluter is and I’m thrilled that you tried Trident, I would encourage you to try Johns Manville GoBoard as a great option for another alternative to backerboard. Available from KBRS, who also make a full line of poly ISO pre slope shower pans and shower solutions. I’ve done both of my bathrooms with it and couldn’t be happier. The best part is you only need their caulk in the seams. It’s already waterproofed.
we use GoBoard and it is a game changer for us ! i love that stuff . it cuts time by great amounts and clean up is almost not needed ! i was hoping someone else in this comment thread had used this product . it's great material .
Johns Manville GoBoard -- A Berkshire Hathaway Company -- Warren Buffet making backerboards now, too? This guy..
Is Triton not waterproof? Im about to try it for the first time in a shower.
This channel is off to the moon 🌙. The relationship between son and father as well as the right working practices.
Y'all did a great job on your mom's/grandmother's shower. Very nice! She'll feel like a Queen in there.
Got me laughing when Jordan laughed at his dad for saying “Swag” 😂 Such a great relationship you guys have. Love watching your videos! I watch you now more for the entertainment than just to learn how to do something. Keep ‘em coming!
Interesting product... I love how lightweight it is... and if soon to be waterproof! 👍🏻👍🏻
Definitely planning to use that if it's out when my project comes up... wouldn't even mind holding off on the bathroom just to use it.
WOW! Your Mom is a lucky woman. That shower looks fantastic. Great job with the grab bars and handles. Very well thought out project. Even better when you find leftover goodies to aid in a seamless transition. You Da Man!
This is EXACTLY what my momma needs!!! I happen to be in the same situation with my mom...Thank you SOOOOOOO much for sharing!!!!
One of THE BEST channels on RUclips! You guys have some excellent and informative content and the way you explain your techniques makes them very easy to understand. Keep up the awesome work fellas!! 👍
Thx Andrew 👊👍
That face Paul made when finishing the miter at 24:59 was priceless! It tells you that it was right on!! I love you guys so much and thank you for all you do and show.❤️🤭❤️
Thx Melodie 👊👍
I like that you give good different points on the project and open to listen. Keep up the good work
My wife loves to watch Hallmark movies that I can't stand. Now I have something to watch. :-) I'm just an old guy who, thanks to Covid, is finally retired. So now I need to try to catch up on all the deferred maintenance on our 65 year old house in the Napa Valley. Your videos are the best I've found to help me succeed. They have a high production value, great soundtrack and highlight the intelligence of how you solve unforeseen problems that rear their ugly heads. Great job!!! and Thanks!
love that you gave a shout out to Sal Diblasi, that guys is tile Yoda. I've learned everything about tiling from his videos. Love your channel too, always super informative and I've learned so much. I'm going to try this backer board on my next tiling project. The lighter weight on the panels is worth everything.
Thx 👊👍
The new shower is on the little side . I love watching the channel. I have learned a lot watching it and it has given me lots of tips and tricks to use on a project I have I'll do. I have told my husband and he has told his friends about the channel too. It's awesome. Nice work.
i totally agree with you Shauna. I think 3' x 4' should be the minimum in shower size. This one looks to be about 30 x 36 inches at most inside the curb. They will have to open the shower door to have room to bend over to wash their feet. Ha Ha Ha!
Great job always teaching and helping your brothers in the trades.
Now that is a good company. I am living in a house built 25 years ago and we used cement backer board and I never even thought about the danger of breathing in dust and we applied cement board all over the floors because we put down ceramic tile floors and we had 6 bathrooms that we have a ton of tile we did. I wish that product had been available.
Wow that turned out wonderfully, I bet MOM is over the moon about coming home to that. Great Job guys
Love watching anything that shows anyone working with integrity and the desire to do it right the first time! I've been tiling for 20 years and the only call back I've ever had was the first one I did. I made it right. One observation I have here is while I really like the apparent ease of use of this Triton board, since you used Schluter as your waterproofing membrane, does it even really matter what the substrate is? I ask this because the first time I used schluter-kerdi over a decade-and-a-half ago I watched their corporate video showing how to install the Kerdi for tiling a shower and there instructional video showed them installing it over basic white drywall. I assumed the reason for this was because if there is a leak in the waterproofing water is going to eventually find the studs and failure will occur. I'm about to redo my parents bathroom also - great job on this one!
Beautiful work your Mother will certainly enjoy it.
Love the energy you have
Great job, I had my own business before deciding to take a job at GM here in Michigan. I loved my home improvement business and I am very much enjoying your videos so far.
bro .. u comd out here to AZ ima hook u up, IF you actually show up, do it rite, code, permits etc. you can charge almost anything, i do, oh and in most case dont need any license
Don't forget to use kerdi band on the shower curb corners and joints. Nice job all around!
Good eye. I thought the same. Particularly with the curb/wall interface, which is a known trouble source for leaks!
Especially if there is seismic movement or there is an impact to the foam
Looking good guys! I live for this stuff so I always enjoy following your channel!
Great job dudes! Watching older stuff like this for the second time! great video. Looking forward to hearing about the permitting process with the bldg & Safety in your commercial bathroom redo!
Nothing at all against what you've done. I got a laugh out of your headline because over my lifetime, I've probably seen at least 4 different newest and best shower backer boards. Sometimes it was even true! 😅
Omg you called the company and they answered the phone! That’s amazing! That never happens! That’s the kind of difference that would make me a customer for life.
I think you shouldn’t have to start calling the company before they put a product out …all the information on installation should be readily available. If I went to put the stuff up and I couldn’t find the adequate easily accessible information in writing I would pass this stuff by. I don’t wanna be the guinea pig by putting the stuff up.
@@theloneviking9145 while I don’t disagree w you in principle that’s not what’s going on here. it’s not that there wasn’t information, note Jordan says he watched multiple videos on this product, but instead they had a specific question that wasn’t answered in the info they could find. It turned out that the reason they weren’t finding the answer was bc there isn’t a specific side that has to face out. Perhaps the sales person at the counter knew that too but forgot or it didn’t come to mind to mention to Paul.
@@arsenicjones9125 My mistake , I didn’t hear that part about them watching the videos (I had it playing in the background while I was working in the garage). You just made me look up the Triton board product that actually looks really interesting… going to read up more about it. Thanks
@@theloneviking9145 no trouble we all make mistakes. I only noticed the statement about videos cuz I watched it twice bc I was so flabbergasted that they answered the phone and all his questions right there so fast. I hope triton does well and other companies take notes on how to treat a customer
I hope that your mum enjoys your handiwork for many years to come! Good job!
Looks awesome!!
With Kerdi you usually just use drywall. That triton is overkill under Kerdi. Since triton is cement based you could have just liquid waterproofed it with aquadefense or redgard. My go to for a couple years is goboard, it’s waterproofed already you just have to seal the seams.
Triton is not cement based. It’s gypsum-polymer. It’s only advantage is no silica issues. It’s also very low mass but not strong. It’s also not waterproof, definitely needs a Kerdi or similar membrane. Redgard is crap, is you want a liquid membrane, use Hydroban.
This Triton is a knockoff of Widi board, only more fragile. There is a “waterproof” version that has integrated yellow membrane but imo it’s too fragile to be mounted to 16” spaced studs alone. The best method is still a high density waterproof gyp-board like Denshield then float mud to square the walls and then a properly installed membrane barrier.
This install is not best building practices but hopefully will provide 10-15 years service life.
@@MichaelM-to4sg Good info. My memory is that wedi board is a foam type core with a mesh embedded in cementatious layer on the outer layer. Are you saying you float mud over the denshield? Seems odd.
@@krehbein Widi has no silica, not cement based, similar to Triton.
Yes, we install Denshield then lathe and float w/FatMud. The Denshield is sufficiently waterproof except joints and screw holes which are taped and troweled w/waterproof thinset. Our current choice is Cementitious Hydroban but we’ve used others in past.
In the unlikely event walls are dead flat and square, you don’t need to float FatMud. Unless the walls were built w/precision skill and engineered lumber, they are never flat & square. If you’re building a steam shower, it’s highly recommended a waterproof membrane such as Kerdi be installed over FatMud, otherwise tiling directly over FatMud is good. We personally use Hydroban liquid membrane in all niches and behind all mosaics on standard showers. The vast majority of our builds these days have at least one steam shower in the home.
Yeah I was confused about this as well. Maybe I missed it but I don’t know why this is a video about a backer board since it doesn’t seem to be serving a different purpose than a drywall backer for a Kerdi application.
Very nicely done. Just wanted to comment in the hope that you'll benefit in some way. :) Keep up the great work, gents!
I been doing showers for over 15 years and I love this new product. Makes it look great and easy 👌 thanks for sharing keep up the awesome work 🙏🏼
My dad had his own business doing kitchen and bathroom renovations and came home with stories of all the problems he had to fix before he could start with the new material. Sadly he passed away in 2004 and I really miss not having him to ask advice when tackling my own projects. You remind me a lot of him. Al you had to do was show an interest and he'd teach you EVERYTHING you'd want to know. Shame I didn't pay more attention when I was younger and had the chance. Thanks to this channel and your teaching skills, people like me get a second chance to learn how to do something the right way.
Thank you, sir!
You guys are top notch! Being a contractor myself I can appreciate all the detail you put into every step of your projects (mitered curb instead of a butt joint!!! nice!) Just a quick question.. did you guys install new insulation on that exterior wall??? Looks like there was just the paper face left in some spots.. that wall wont be open again for another 20 years.. i normally take the 10 min to upgrade the insulation on any exterior walls whenever possible. just wondering... 🧐 Love the channel! keep up the strong work 💪
They could've squirted in some foam. Sad they didn't take the opportunity.
Top Notch !!
I know you can't use regular fiberglass with cementitious products. It needs to be alkaline resistant or coated.
Such a pleasure to watch skilled craftsmen work! 👍❤️👍
Enjoy watching you guys.
There is a debate that has been going on. To drop the backer board in the shower pan or don't drop the backer board down in the shower pan. Is there any reason you did? Run your backboard to the floor? I know you will kerdi everything in the next video, but there is some that will say you still need to not run the backer board to the floor, cause water can wick into your studs. I would like to hear your thoughts
I leave mine up
If you are using a waterproof membrane over a poured base, and banding on/up the corners, wrapping all corners where wall board meets the floor, You CAN RUN THE BOARD TO THE FLOOR. There should never be "wicking" in this situation.
In a rubber bladder pan installation NEVER run the board to the floor
I leave mine up.
Just curious how will you guys waterproof the pan? More Kerdi? Also noticed you didn't use the Kerdi corners where the curb meets the wall and no Kerdi band where the two curbs join.
Next video Jan 👍👊
@@StudPack thank goodness, I was starting to freak out 🤣
Your mom's shower came out great. Looks really nice and most important it ties together with the existing bathroom and honestly looks like it was always there. So many remodels look like an add on and stick out blatantly but that just looks great. I like the knurled grab bars, that's smart.
I’m ready, tomorrow getting started. Thanks guys!
Your Mom's place came out beautifully. But I have a concern as a Fire Fighter with the Magnesium backer board. You can look up any firefighting channel when a car that has Magnesium in it is a self sustainable fire. And reacts violently with water. So i would Love to see you go outside with a small piece and set it on fire to se what would happen. How safe is it to homeowners and firefighters. Thanks guys.
It's magnesium oxide...in other words it's already been "burned" (oxidized). No fire hazard.
@@thebigmacd Great thanks to the answer. Appreciate it.
Great Job! So glad you’re waterproofing that shower with Kerdi membrane that’s awesome!
Came out simple and super , super nice
I love it when he shows me his preferred methods etc. Thank you for putting this out.
Very informative! Thanks!
Love your guy's videos, never can wait for the next one. Keep em coming!!
you are so thorough. Your videos are very helpful.
Beautiful job guys
Amazing work I know she's proud😊
Thank you for these great videos! 😊
Great project! Love the customer service call, awesome benefit to the video 📷📸
I really appreciate that you listen to your son about stuff. He has obviously done a lot of research about the new methods.
Thank U Stud Pack for these videos, always great to learn from you guys.
Thanks for all your vids. We are redoing some rentals 2000 miles from home and today is day 3. Using some of your tips and tricks... pre cut all the tiles, gonna set them today, got some plank tiles laid down, gonna finish a room today as well. Thank you!!
Awesome work! I’ll be watching more of your vids. Keep up the good work. Thanks Studman
Nice work! Your moms gotta love this!
Great job guys! Looks great
Your moms shower looks awesome. Like I said love the schluter. Can’t express how important the trim pieces are.
Nicely done, your mom will love it.
Great job on your mother's shower. Also. the new shower is coming out great.