Is the SiOnyx Opsin worth buying yet?
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The SiOnyx Opsin DNVM1 digital night vision monocular is a significant improvement over the Aurora, but does it compete with real analog night vision? To find out, I bought one with my own money and ran it through an 8 stage night vision match with @ForgottenWeapons to see how big of a handicap it was. A huge shout-out to @TNVCINCfor sponsoring Moon's Out 2024, and to One Shepherd Institute for running the whole match!
Support this channel on SubscribeStar:
www.subscribes...
![ARGENTINA vs. CHILE [3-0] | RESUMEN | ELIMINATORIAS SUDAMERICANAS | FECHA 7](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/De3AWmXzhuA/mqdefault.jpg)
They've made a lot of small improvements since release.
Your video is the reason I held off on buying one until the big price cut.
Looking back on it, if it made better quality recordings then content creation could be a worthwhile use case. As is, "meh out of ten" is a good summary.
Can you give a few areas of improvement? Any improvement in extreme dark environments?
@@lawrencerodgers9845 my comment was based on hop's assessment. I haven't tried the latest version yet. But, based on his evaluation, it looks better processing, updated "gain control" and of course, lower price. The other main update that happened is the increased availability of decent quality NNVT chinese night vision tubes.
@@lawrencerodgers9845 i havent tried the firmware update version, but it looks like they've made some changes to the button functions, compared to what i remember. Also it sounds like the "gain control" knob now also changes some other settings, which is useful, if true.
At $2,000 it's a better value than before, which makes it more competitive. *BUT* Chinese NNVT analog tubes are being imported at a discount, offering performance on par with photonis echo and green omni tubes for a lower price. These chinese nnnvt tubes are pretty good for the money, so i'd recommend them over the opsin in most cases.
If the opsin recorded better footage and had more robust video files, i'd pick it over the nnvt tube because i create content. But, with nnvt greens in the low 2k's i'd snag one before the balloon goes up.
That water mark is what's going to radicalize me
@ASSfacts - When are nudez dropping? Don't make me hack your device.
The sionyx water mark, or the water mark Hop left on that tree?🥴
These guys really know how to juice up the stats…
I'm like a battered housewife, I keep coming back to these videos even though I know I can't justify getting NVGs
poor is a mindset
@LTsweaps Eh it's not that I couldn't save up for it, I just can't justify the cost/use ratio. Like he mentioned in the video, some people who buy NVGs have to go to matches to practice movement. For me it'd be just as fiscally irresponsible as buying a massive truck when you live in a downtown city area lol
@@LTsweaps Looks at the economy/inflation/dating
-_-
I feel it man. It took me years to get a tube, but it's worth it. Budget if you can, be financially responsible.
@@LTsweapsNo, it's a number.
This is where hop realized he wanted to become a rapper by the name Hopsin
Unfortunately that name is already taken
@@Hoplopfheil dang, maybe a review of a 9mm tube pistol will spark something
Unfortunately Hopsin’s music is dogshit
@@Hoplopfheil Hop-Z?
Hop-Zyn
But bro, didn't you hear? Digital night vision is the future and performs better than a gen 3 pvs7. Surely big phosphor is paying you off to publish this hit piece.
Corrupt Big Tube!
Big phosphor 😭😭😭
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king homie
How will they perform in 10.years
This is why I've been putting a ton of points in pirate vision. Both eyes work perfectly fine but 1 eye is constantly covered with my leather pirate eye patch. When moving from light to dark determines when I flip the patch up.
Hop you have to simultaneously keep doing and stop doing this to yourself.
You're the boss
Schrodingers Hop
Never stop!! Now you need a pre-GWOT NVG setup and an/PAC-4C and VLI (Visible Light Illuminator) for your 20” AR… Peak Y2K performance (and entertainment for us SubscribeStar high fructose cornsyrup daddies)
@@slavsupreme5129I was going to say this 😂
@@williamflowers9435gwot? What does game of thrones have to do with NVGs?
I was thinking "better than nothing" until I saw the price. For $2000, I would expect way better quality.
Maybe NV just isn't for you 🤷♂️
Or...me for that matter
@@VoFALT
Gen 2s are arround that price tho
@@VoFALTI got my GEN 3 used PVS-14 for 1900. Digital needs to slash their price in half to even slightly be competitive
@@nfaisnfgayme too. I got a GP PVS-14 with an Omni 7 tube for 1900
@@nfaisnfgayThat's a hell of a deal! Was there any kind of issues with your set?
I can’t tell how many times I’ve heard Hop say on multiple channels, “I’m not enjoying this!” On multiple videos…it should be a patch at this rate 9:13
Hop. Pls. Give us the patch.
Wen patch?
you're pissing low left, try relaxing your firing hand
😂😂
@@greyGG308huh? Are you anti 2a
@@greyGG308Why is it bad for a man to equip himself regardless of military service?
@@greyGG308 I was talking about the actual pissing
The fact that everyone in this reply section didn't realise that @@greyGG308 was rage baiting is kinda funny to me
"I'm not enjoying this" is the moto of type-two-fun events.
I am sure Focustripp is going to have a good time with that sound bite.
Embrace the Suck.
I shot at the same match, and had a guy on my squad that also was using an Opsin. We shot on a overcast cloudy night that turned into rain the first night, and near perfect conditions on the second night. He was gracious enough to let me look through his Opsin on the first night and I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that unit is only good for static observation on a properly dark night. For comparison I was using an Elbit white Phos tube with good stats, and I never felt like they were the thing holding me back. The Syonix Opsin was able to generate a good image, but at the cost of framerate. So every time I turned my head the world went blurry and it was unusable. He said that at the higher framerates that goes away but that 60+ FPS rates were not able to generate a good image in the overcast conditions. I didn't get a chance to notice the latency because I was just standing around turning my head. But at lower framerates you can't even do that without the world turning to pixelated mush.
The device does intrigue me, and I am curious to see how it progresses. As it stands I could not in good faith recommend as a tactical, fighting unit. The performance isn't there yet and the framerate is frankly horrible when it's actually dark. However, if you were say a cop maybe a detective doing night time surveillance, this device would be badass. Or maybe you're a hunter with a dedicated thermal optic and just want a cheap static observation tool in a blind for recording your shots. Static observation, especially where recorded video is desired, this device rules that niche.
Can you ask your buddy to post a video?
@@BlueJayWaters Never got his contact info, not sure if he has YT channel he posted anything to.
SO THERE WAS ANOTHER
@@Hoplopfheil "That boy is our last hope,"
"No, there is another."
@@Hoplopfheil sir, a second opsin has hit the moogoo match
I watched the whole video and came to this conclusion: Hop REALLY enjoys the tunnel crawl and hopes it’s longer next year.
Finally a Digital Night vision review that dosent feel like shilling or is a dude saying "ehhh, it works for me"
"Works for me", is the new, "Just as good".
Thank you for your sacrifice sir
I'm glad you bought this so I don't have to.
So the answer is the same. "If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
The answer is, "digital isn't it yet", and just save some money every month until you can buy a PVS-14.
Video quality is directly correlated with how much Hop suffers while making it.
The pisscam had me laughing because I didn't expect it.
Haha I got a sneaking suspicion after a second because of the angle, the target and the focus.
So, keep on rocking my PVS7's... I appreciate these reviews because SIOnyx really does make some mean marketing pitches!
Hardcoding a watermark on video files on a $2k+ device is like buying a blu-ray and their being ads in the middle of the movie. Scummy and gross.
Hop with a beard is terrifying, It's like I'm watching guntuber Fred Durst...
Hop - This may be your best video yet. It's such a great honest review of the product, with exceptional grounded comparisons to competitor product we can all relate to you, the match, and your own performance, and not only your own performance but in relation to the conditions between staff and main match. Please come shoot the TCGC multigun night match this December! We'd love to have you.
One thing I want to see with the Opsin is a team running it but using strobes, lights, and lasers in the 1100nm range; you'd be able to see their lasers but they wouldn't be able to see yours
Anybody with a Photonis tube would still be able to see them, and so would most likely any new production L3 unfilmed tube from what I've been reading.
@@HoplopfheilI have gucci L3 unfilmed tubes and 2007 LEO trade in Elbit gen 3 tubes and all of them can see the LIDAR from my iPhone and iPad. When trying to film through my nods I have to cover the LIDAR emitter or it affects whatever I'm trying to record.
@@pcyr9999 From a non-iphoner: You can't shut it off at all? I'm surprised we haven't seen video of people getting domed in combat zones because phone thought it was a good time to try to take a picture.
@@warphammer Phones have killed entire units in the Ukraine war for many, many reasons. It's speculated that the use of their cellphones is why many Russian generals are killed on the battlefield and just behind it.
@@pcyr9999 according to some articles, iPhone 15 uses 940nm proximity sensor emitter and iPhone 14 - 1380nm emitter. Which one you have?
I feel so spoiled whenever Hop wastes money on us.
a total gamechanger would be if you could stream videos on that digital screen, so one could watch Hop content while Mooning and Gooning
I remember being a pog on duty, and since we only had one pvs-14 for the platoon, we left it mounted to the machine gun.
Maybe digital night vision might be more useful as just a red dot supplement
I mean thats what holosuns new night vision optic is.
nice MRO
Damn you
Said no one ever 😆
Can't wait to see what you think of our DNV-9. Based on this.. the Gen 2 wiĺl outperform the opsin in every way.
The what
@@SamSam-ih6nt Hoplite is some Australian or New Zealand (sorry, genuinely don't remember!) company that's coming out with the DNV-9 and it's a digital unit. Idk how good it is and I'm doubtful but they have posted some stuff on their reddit and Twitter/X pages.
Will it have that same delay that other digital has?
@@andreivaldez2929 it does have some delay,. Our Gen 1's are currently running at 33ms at 60fps, or just under 2 frames.
Once again proving that while digital may be the future, we are still very much in the present
Congrats on growing your first beard hairs, bro!
It'll fill out once he hits puberty
Thanks Hop. I've been wondering about these units for nighttime recording.
At this rate, I might have to sell my flying car to buy digital nv once it finally drops in working condition.
Hmmm… I just assumed a flying car would have FLIR built in
@@williamflowers9435 how did you get a flying car? and why arent we sending them to the ghost of the kiev yet?
It depends on demand TBH, you can make photosensors sensitive to IR wavelengths but for obvious reasons making dedicated chips like that costs way more than a photomultiplier tube that has been around for like 100 years in some form (including things like electron microscopes).
I was seriously considering buying an Opsin before I got my PVS-14 on sale. This is by far the most thorough review of the opsin and the only one that actually answered my questions about it. As cool as the tech is, I'm glad I went with gen 3.
The video that everybody hesitating needed. Once you start using even the old Gen2, you're not going to look back at the digital ever again.
Hop I have no useful input so I'm just going to say hello.
Hi Blue
@@HoplopfheilThis is why you’re my favorite channel
I was waiting for this after seeing Brass Facts video where you decided to bring an Opsin in the MOGO2024 event.
Hop you have to keep doing this to yourself.
It is such a joy to watch your videos unlike most other guys talking about their newest possession.
You are doing a real review and not just reading the spec shet and mentioning the downsides of things.
Thank you for that.
The first person tunnel crawl...I really felt the arthritic knee popping.
Detailed as always. I love that you intrinsically tear into the experience of everything you review
Glad you enjoyed the event, its an excellent facility and 1shepherd are incredible people. Hope to see you at more great matches, like Gunfighter Gauntlet.
I wanted to dip my toes into NV before pulling the trigger on analog tubes, ended up getting an Aurora sport for $300 used. It's fine for passive observation but insane to go with digital NV when you can get a decent used pvs14 for under 2k.
You would've been better off not buying that Aurora and putting that money towards real NV.
@@andreivaldez2929 I mean it's my shmekles not yours but it was worth it for me. I ended up getting a pvs 14 used and still use the aurora on top of a 22 for pest control.
The best review of its kind. Been looking for 2 years trying to get an idea. I am now totally clear. The NV God has spoken.
Just can't beat the good ol reverse engineer Roswell crash retrieval tech 🛸
You had such Nice weather for that first night. Jeez louise
You nailed the real issue, which is that there really aren't that many places to shoot under NODS.
Facts, Brass
Lopfheil, Hop
My sense of humor must be completely fucked if I find this hilarious.
20:21 I was personally attacked and I need my support pillow to cry into.
The battery pack is a great counterweight for helmet use, and is rechargeable. You can loop the cable around the side of your helmet if you had an appropriate helmet cover, so it isn't telegraphing above your head. Living outside the states, getting hands on any PVS's gen2-3 is hard and pricey. More so than the OPSIN.
There was a guy in my squad at Moons Out who ran the Opsin. He also had not very many good things to say about it.
My L3 tubes have no problem seeing my iPhone LiDAR
Another episode in Hop is a masochist
the rest of the sensor likely goes to 'pixel binning' for better low-light performance
With the release of ADNV-G14P digital night vision is slowly climbing its way up. It still has worse sensitivity than OMNI 7/8 but it is really getting close. I hope they start driving the prices of tubes down.
Your commentary on this one was great.
I was always interested to see non advertiser footage through one. it is far from perfect. but digital devices seems like they are heading the right way. i assume thermal fused devices would be easier to achieve AKA fully digital alternative to ENVG-B/PSQ-42
As always, I love the in depth and honest reviews. Keep it up Hop. Thanks for doing what you do.
I will say this low light first person shooting as a camera is by far the best I've seen.
At 5:58 and other pieces of footage from the back alley, you can clearly see another fundamental flaw of digital night vision. Look for the pulsing blue tint that appears on various parts of the scene. It's coming from the infrared LEDs built into power meters as a wireless communication interface. They are pretty bright and screw with auto exposure/brightness of anything digital sensitive to IR. At some spots near apartment buildings or commercial buildings, it might look almost as bad as if there's a police car with its strobe lights on.
I would love to see more NNVT gen2+ footage from you!
Hop, theres now another digital monocular called the ADNV G14P2, uses a custom sensor of similar size to the Opsins but with lower resolution and thus larger (and more sensitive) pixels. HYPE Militaria did a short review on its low light performance and latency, and it seems to fix most if not all of the issues of the Opsin. Latency, low light performance, and even decent-ish dynamic range. But most importantly they improved the battery life by simplifying the design and moving recording to an external unit. It has a roughly 15-16 hour battery life on a single 18650, compared to the Opsins of roughly the same amount of run time for 4 18650s.
If they could get the prices low enough, I imagine these'd be really fun toys for someone who just wants to step out on their back porch and pull this out to look at the animals or what have you, but at the current price there is zero reason to not just get analog nods.
Don't have doing, yourself to keep this hop to you!
Hop keep yourself have doing to this dont you
I waiting to get into NVGs until after 'Half-Life 3' comes out.
Newest development Hop hit puberty this week. Dig that sick beard.
Thanks Hop
A+ level rant. Please make more.
🇺🇸
this is why i love this channel. raw, pure honesty. no facks given. thanks.
Hop you don't have to keep doing this to yourself.
Evil Kermit: "Yes he does"
@@Slivyr Hop is the "anti-sooch" he suffers and embraces the suck so we don't have to and saves us money!
Digital NV has a little bit to go, full color NV with a quad nod sort of field of view for
Blows my mind there aren’t any companies making Gen 1 or digital panos. Yeah they’d suck but tons of people would shell out cash for the novelty of seeing pano. You can’t tell me airsofters and newbies wouldn’t be dropping $700+ on Gen 1 panos for example. The only digital quads I know of are the shitty MW19 COD ones and they’re not even pano they’re duals inside a quad housing
As someone who has used both a Gen 3 PVS14 and a Sionyx Opsin, I strongly prefer the field of view with the Sionyx. With that being said, the Gen 3 is much better in extremely dark environments, but in environments where the Sionyx works, you get a colored picture which makes identification of objects / targets significantly easier.
Imo the best argument for this device is the european market, apart from holland most countries don't have a "official night vision market"(wich meansnno warranties) or services to maintain and repair analog devices, the only way you can get one is off sketchy second hand FB groups, and if shit get's fucked or either you need to become a technician with second hand parts (from said sketchy fb groups) or your out 2k
Thank you Hop. I'm sure a lot of us have been waiting for an infield review.
Watching everyone's videos from this event makes it look like a good time. Was it painfully obvious who has and has not used night vision?
I think the lighting conditions were so favorable that it wasn't a real litmus test. I didn't see many of the runs on night two when it was the darkest though.
What a fun match. I was curious about the opsin, but man are the drawbacks not worth it. I'll stick with my gen 3 PVS-14
personally as a European, i can say there isnt much of a place for the opsin, we can get a jerry 14 for couple hundred euros more , and get the quality of real analog Nods.
also props to the dude wearing PVS-21's, fucking madlad
The pisscam had me laughing because I expected it.
i seriously think we are 1-2 "generations" from digital night vison actually becoming a viable product that gives traditional NVGs a serious fucking run for their money as an way to get a foot in the door to NVGs that are worth the money. i can't wait for the day to come.
As soon as they can integrate Ai to remove noise and enhance the picture it's game over
@@bghiggy The latency on that would be massive, even with a full-size desktop PC.
@@lucastonoli3256 right now it does. Give it another decade.
@@lucastonoli3256 I mean just think about low light cameras from 2014 performed, and then from 2004. Huge leaps of progress. Like he said, give it another 2 generations and it's most likely going to outperform analog.
any century now...
I greatly appreciate that you used digital NV. I plan on running it along with a PDW at next year's event. I have this concept called Clandestine Carry I've been working on and basically it's easier to carry cheap digital NV around all the time rather than carry expensive tubes. Between this and some other videos I know what to work on so I'm not too handicapped...but I'm fully expecting A LOT of penalties lol. Cheers Hop!
Dude, don't buy digital and just put that money aside while saving up for real NV. It isn't worth it and you're just going to end up wishing you'd bought a PVS-14 instead. Just be patient and save your money.
@@andreivaldez2929 I totally get that I'm taking a bit of an L on it, but I have a concept I've been working on and as dumb as it sounds, easily accessible NV is part of it. When I participate in next year's Moons Out, Goons Out, I'll be releasing a video that explains in detail the rationale. But I definitely still plan on buying true analog NV as well. It's not a substitute in the long-term, just a few steps before the main goal, ya know?
This dudes gotta be taking the piss...
Doing the lords work
I can't wait to buy nods and run around with my Anderson dissipator like I'm somebody
Hop
I'm glad you exist
That is all
Great presentation, thanks hop
thanks for a honest review!
I feel like they need to look into using multiple sensors like 4 looking through a prism in some way , then clock all of the senors down to 30hz but offset them so you end up with 120hz. Doing something like that they could get the benefits of the longer exposure while also providing a smooth and near latency free feed (as long as the image splicing asic isn't crap). but even with that sony's starvis 2 sensors pretty much match opsin's at a fraction of the price (lookup the NVG30's $500 units that can do about 80% of the opsin's capabilities)
While still not as good as analog , things are moving fast and it would not surprise me if in the next 5-10 years analog NV gets eclipsed at all but the high end. (seriously just think about the raw compute performance of chips 20 years ago versus now)
I know it basically can't work this way for fairness/time, but I really wish you'd got a chance to run the same stages again with some cheap analogue NVGs to see how much it affected your performance. Maybe it even would've been better for the digital to be 2nd so you could argue you'd had 'practice' on top
Digital has a delay between what's going on and the image being processed on your screen. Analog doesn't do that. That alone always kills anyone trying to use digital, let alone all the other issues with digital image quality and ability to gather light. It isn't worth it. It's a noob trap.
Thanks hop, great channel
The only reviews I'll watch even though I'll never buy NVGs
Love your videos Hop, thankyou
Cool video as always, although I wheeze super hard at the fact you had the audacity to bring a MRO at a NV match.
I finally coughed up the dollars for an AGM gen2 mono. Compared to the digital I have seen its amazing. No it's not as good as a gen3 but I now have basic capabilities to get around at night. Maybe one of these days they'll figure it out but yea I decided I couldn't wait any longer and got the affordable analog option
I have waited so long for this!
Hop, you and Ian “ The Masochist “ should have a separate category which gives points based on the age and condition of your equipment ( safety third) and specific requirements such as; at least one item has to be French and/or left handed , siege catapults,crossbows and fireworks that say “ lay on ground..light fuse and get away!” Self flagellation for extra credit.ect..You guys would rule!
Thanks for the video. I was thinking this because I live in Canada but end up with the nnvt and I chose right
I respect the challenge
KB had an attachment that recorded his analog NV and it came out nice.
Your name in the score sheet is first name Hop, last name Lopheil?
Yep 😎
It's the perfect setup for a James Bond bit.
"the name's Lopheil, Hop Lopheil"