Shimano Dura-Ace Vs Shimano Ultegra | What's The Difference?
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- Опубликовано: 31 мар 2018
- According to Shimano themselves, the new Ultegra groupset is so close to the company's flagship Dura-Ace groupset as to be basically indistinguishable in terms of performance. So, what do you actually get with a Dura-Ace groupset for your extra money?
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If we were blindfolded and put on two bikes, one with Shimano Dura-Ace and one with Ultegra, we'd struggle to tell the difference between them, that's how good the new Ultegra is. Of course we'd also crash...
Dan did a deep dive into the technical specs, and weights of the two groupsets to find out what actually is the difference between them.
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For a sponsored video, this seems rather consumer friendly. Good job GCN.
In sum, don’t waste your money in a Dura-Ace groupset. Buy it only if sponsored
Shimano clearly thinks they'll make more money if you buy ultegra haha
Malandirix , very well-stated comment!
Well only if Shimano would rather sells more ultegra than dura-ace.
Shimano do not need ads for selling their groupsets, shitty SRAM and Campy does the ads for them
Just wanted to say thank you for the informative videos. As someone who is transitioning from running to cycling these have been helpful. Cardio has been an important part of my life and with two hip surgeries I can no longer run.
The GCN has been a great deal of help to me deciding on what I need to look at and consider. Thank you again!
A thousand souls screamed when they saw you touching the disk brakes like that.
Thanks Dan, well done clarity on purpose . Good stuff GCN as always
Love the detailed explanation, thanks again and happy easter
I've deeply looked into DuraAce v Ultegra in the past year, including the description of the Shimano specification charts. There are some design differences in the cable STI levers with DuraAce being a pivot bearing system. In my opinion, it is a better mechanical design than the lesser groups. The rim brakes are pretty much only different in material composition to save weight which pretty much describes the whole difference between DuraAce and Ultegra. I also gather that the Ultegra cassette is more robust than duraAce due to its carbon fibre spider. Last fun piece of advice to help make your purchase choice... if you decide to buy DuraAce, don't ever let yourself be dropped by someone riding with Ultegra groupo. The shame of that is far heavier than the 500g between the two!
That was the most interesting comparison between the two I've seen on the internet. I have Ultegra because I'm the Dura Ace was out of my price range. Always wanted DA for the bling-bling but thought that there couldn't be THAT much more performance difference. Now I know. Thank you GCN
Cheers Adam, glad you found it informative.
Dura ace is mostly for professionals and rich MAMILs. Amateur teams usually have ultegra.
Right?! I thought that was fascinating. I knew they were very *close,* but I didn't expect the Shimano Product Manager to essentially say "functionally, they're identical." Very cool!
When it came down to it, Ultegra DI2 cost about the same as DA Mechanical. So what is more bling for your money? For me it was the Ultegra DI2 and Synchroshift.
Adam J. Story, DC theres no point in spending that much unless you can get sponsored or just have too much money.
You could’ve just said “weight” is the difference and saved us all.
Dura-Ace: for rich guys
Ultegra: for others
*cries in tourney~
dura ace also gets a year in advantage .
whenever there is something new, dura ace gets it first, the equivalent version of ultegra comes at least a year later, followed by 105 which may even take longer.
Ultegra: for wealthy bois
105 for others.. Or Tiagra to be honest for most
@@mantiq7768 exactly
I just love that you are completely honest when it comes to paid promotions and ads. unlike most other bike channels that will even (presumably) lie to you in the comments. love your stuff, keep at it
Great video!
I have Ultegra R8000, it's a step up from 6800. Love nerdy cycling component videos :)
I've always gone for the 2nd tier group-sets (XT vs XTR, Ultegra vs Dura-Ace) as I've feel that the law of diminishing returns kicks in big time. Thanks for confirming my suspicion.
shimano have realised that realistically not many folks have the funds to go buying Dura-Ace , so are trying to convince the people who would normally buy 105 to upgrade to Ultegra not getting Dura-Ace users to switch down , clever shimano
Evan O'Connor probably
At this point they may be trying their best to protect their market share from SRAM given that etap gets better with every model
dont think shimano really need to worry all that much , a huge majority of their sales and profits are in budget and sub-enthusiast level kit where they absolutely blow everything else out of the water , to be honest i dont think were going to see a real shake up in the market till the whole electronic thing really starts to trickle down. whoever can bring out a budget electronic groupo first will explode in popularity i reckon
Yeah I feel into that trap. Ha ha but I did have 105 10 speed I think that was 5600. But I upgraded to the last ultegra 11 speed. But I run an 11-40t cassette in the rear.
done
Damn GCN. Production value just went up a notch
Cheers Lloydman!
Thanks guys for this video! I was searching yesterday for something in this direction but I didn‘t find anything helpful like this :)
Glad we could be of help Sandro!
Good to know I have the Ultegra Groupset!!! Thanks for saving me from spending more money. You lot, are the best.
Since when is the wheelset considered as part of the groupset?? If you take that away then the weight difference is marginal and the value of Dura Ace would be much less. This is a very misleading fact.
the hub.
I noticed, because ultegra is 2600 gram and dura ace 2400 gram (disc brake).
Saving weight it is more noticeable on the rims (rotational weight), when accelerating and braking for example.
really awaited video, but finally delivered by GCN
When are they going to have a review of shimano tourney? It’s the best groupset so far since that is the only thing I have on my bike.
Hahahaha ditto
They suck. Review conplete
Crap
Tourney is almost lowest level in shimno
tourney and claris reviews plz
Since I'm not racing for cash, I did both my bikes in full Ultegra. The one exception is on the disc bike I put a DA rotor on purely for looks because at my source the price difference was tiny and the black temp fins look much better (IMO). Would have been nice to see the weight difference without the wheels - I don't know too many people running those wheels, but nearly everybody is running Shimano group sets otherwise. I seem to remember the difference being between 300 and 400 grams for mechanical.
Haha, I did exactly the same thing. The DA discs were actually at the same price as Ultegra when I bought them. The black discs look like something Batman would ride. :D
Agree with all the comments here, this was a fantastic dive into the difference on a consumer-friendly level. It's something I had a hunch on but that was a great look into the actual details. Thank you GCN! You are appreciated!
Cheers Bryen!
Very informative, thanks Dan!
Ultegra is my go to group set as I simply dont need Dura Ace...probably dont even need Ultegra either
Same here
Heck I don't 'need' bikes, I can just walk.
But having one or a few would be nice so I do.
Infidel Gastro Youd be surprised how far you can get on a fixed gear/ single speed. They are very efficient and a fixed gear gives you some extra inertia I think.
The drawbacks most riders imagine are simply in their heads. You just need to decide youre going to ride one and do it. Its that simple. You put your mind to riding up a hill and give it a go. If you cant, walk to the top, try to get a little farther up next time.
Most riders limit themselves with their minds. To be a better rider learn how to suffer. Push yourself beyond where you thought you could go.
My go to bike is a fixed/ free CX bike. I ride it on rocky singletrack with medium length climbs.
@@rollinrat4850 Would just like to say that there is a world of difference between a simple single/fixed gear bike and a decent road bike. I generally commute on my fixie and it takes me about 35 minutes, the odd time I take my road bike it goes down to around 28 minutes.
Graham X Not really much different in my mind. They both have 2 wheels that roll down the road. They both have chains and cranks that make you go.
You may get there faster, but I have more fun and get a better workout!
This is so amazing and interesting...
I always thought that the Dura-Ace and the Ultegra are identical, until I discovered this video!
Honestly the most informative video you guys have ever produced!
Thanks Oscar!
I have both a full Dura Ace Di2 group set and 105. The only difference I like is the sound Di2 makes when changing gears (insert robotic zutt zutt noise) 😅😎... but seriously do prefer 105 for broader compatibility to climb and sprint.
SAF1981, on a slow and quiet grinding climb, my di2 will always get the attention with the “zutt zutt” noise. Webster has now, a new phrase to define.
I wish u guys would have looked closely at the hubs.
Another great video 👍👍
Fairly balanced. I would like to see something similar between Campagnolo Chorus and Super Record or more interestingly, Super Record vs Dura Ace.
That was interesting. I am never going to ride a dura ace, but I might upgrade from a 105 to an Ultegra. A video like this explaining the difference between 105 and Ultegra would be interesting.
Man, such beautiful bikes you have in your shop
Thank you guys. Good info. Good job GCN
Tip top feature Lloydy! Really interesting and informative - of course psychology is key too. While I now know that Ultegra (less weight) is so close to Dura Ace I would still want Dura Ace! I've just got to stop falling off the bike as much before I buy!
I have Ultegra Di2 on my bike. Its performance is amazing. I couldn't imagine anything better, so it is good to know that impression is not too far off.
I really enjoyed this video. Presented very well
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Excellent video, thank you. So helpful.
8:15 „About what button does what.“ THE top reason for me to love my Ultegra DI2. I programmed my right lever buttons to switch to heavier gears and my left lever buttons to go to easier gears, front button for front, back button for rear. That means that if I am on the drops, I can still from any position still reach at least the back button without reaching for it, so shifting the rear to a faster (right) or slower (left) gear is always possible.
And you never have to think much: Right go faster, left go steeper.
I think that Dura Ace is much more expensive not just because of the better materials used but more to do with the initial development costs, I mean every new development comes out first on Dura Ace then the technology is trickled down to Ultegra 105 etc so when buying Dura Ace your paying initially paying for the development and being first to get your hands on new tech.
That would make sense if Dura-Ace were new, but those R&D costs have long paid for themselves. Incremental changes do not require big $ in R&D.
Go Ultegra, spend the difference on wheels, saddle, kit...
podgebrowne and women and boos 😂
one could say the same about 105, i personally started researching dura ace, landed on ultegra and now leaning towards 105 🤣
You would not say that if you were one of those Ultegra owners that had their Hallowtech crank arm snap.....
@@firstname7780 fr? So that explains why I see a lot of cyclist have dura ace crank but the rest of the groupset is ultegra.
This is really true. Snapped 2 ultegra crank arm in a span of 9 months 😆
Great video. I have the new Ultegra 8000 series on my Domane SLR 6 Di2 variant. Phenomenal. As close to Pro Level as one can get. For a non Pro cyclist like myself, this setup is more than I need... I'm sure the new 105's are great also, yet no Di2...
Holy ... At 5:45, Dan was holding the wheel at the disk brake (which can bend it), with bare hand !
I have a stock cervelo r2 with the already „old“ shimano 5800 105 groupset, the only upgrade i made are some nice vision carbon clinchers, just for the shiny looks.
Even the 105 performs flawless, there is no need for anything else. I‘m thinking of installing the complete ultegra r8000 because it‘s new and shiny, but it‘s hard to justify.
Nice and honest video gcn 👍🏻
Thanks Hans!
The fact about the law of diminishing returns is true. Got a used TT bike with the entire 7900 Dura Ace groupset for $800.
This is so so needed
I like the song in the intro!
to make it simple imo : the diffrence is 3,000 $ 😉
GCN (and GMBN) have the best promoted content on YT. Those videos are as viewer-friendly and satisfying to watch as any of their videos.
Deuteross girls
don’t forget gtn
Thanks for GCN, now I know I should purchase which one!
I realize that Shimano is your sponsors but a interesting video would be the difference between Durable Ace and Campy Super Record
nice vid.. been wondering about this..
Ultegra the way to go with the bigger cassette and cage plus the durace spider doesn't look cool like it did on the 9000. Also, doesn't the 9100 cassette still have creaking carbon spider problems?
When I bought my last road bike, a Trek Madone, about 8 years ago, I could have initially upgraded to Dura Ace from Ultegra, but since the bike was going to be used to do a cross country journey, I was informed that the choice of gearing would be restricted due the design of the Dura Ace derailleur. The gearing was already pretty limited on Ultegra compared to the 105 triple I had on my former bike, but to be further limited was not going to work. Even the Ultegra compact double proved to be a challenging setup for me, particularly in the Rockies, but I survived. Additionally, I went over the handlebars a few years ago and upon close inspection of the bike discovered I had bent a crank arm. A very expensive replacement! I can only imagine what a Dura Ace crank arm would have set me back. The Ultegra group has been flawless and I now realize how unnecessary the upgrade would have been.
Shimano 105 R7000 will debut in June. Supposedly the 11 speed cassette will be backward compatible with 10-speed wheelsets. So if you want to upgrade your bike to Ultegra or Dura Ace, you can use a 105 cassette and still use your old wheels.
Thanks, Dan, I'll be watching this one a few times so I can pass the pop quiz. But why no nickel-plated cranks? I'm okay with stealth levers and rims, but I will happily confess to some vanity. I need that bling when I'm in the big ring. I'd have to take a rattle can of silver or gold to the chainset. And maybe I grin but I do prefer shiny components.
is a great information for me; congratulations guys.
This is crazy honest. Props to Shimano for actually telling the truth about the functionality vs price
Chauncey Lockwood the year of release is different. R9100 came out in mid 2016,
and R8000 came out in mid-2017.
if a new set of Dura Ace comes out this year, it will surely outperforms everything R8000 has, and Ultegra will have to wait til next year to get a new set that has equal functionality.
R9100 is really getting "old" now, as the technology used on it is now pretty much being adapted even in R7000, which is released in 2018.
Excellent comparison. What I find interesting is that long distance cycle racers, even in the high level races like IndyPac and Transcontinental, use Ultegra throughout. Partly I imagine for the gear options on the cassette, but also Ive heard, for toughness? As they are a group of people more akin to 95% of riders (no team support, enless spares etc... so need reliability), Id choose what they buy! Ultegra.
Thanks 4 doing this comparison. So many times people think they need to buy the most expensive, . But clearly u can buy affordable and get amazing performance for the price. Asking questions and watching the great and informative videos by gcn help cyclist to be informed and make smart buying choices for bikes. Thanks again. Marketing is such a deceptive thing, that and peer pressure to. " Get out their and ride"
GCN, your videos are superior to all the other videos on bicycling.
Back in 2000 I used Ultegra and Campag Chorus but things have moved on so much! No disc brakes unless you had a MTB and wheels were Mavic Helium or Zipp 404. Marco Pantani was alive and unwell and can you beat that battle between him and Armstrong in the mountains in the TDF in 1998...was it 1998? Drugs or no drugs that was great viewing! This video is nostalgic for me and I like it!...Get the Dura Ace if you can afford it and pull in a bit of overtime. It's your passion and you know you'll sleep better!
good info, danke
I was under the impression that the grips on the levers is and feels better/different than Ultegra, inclusive the adjustment of the reach. I was considering Dura Ace shifters for that reason, feedback appreciated. Love your show!
Great video. Even for those who purchase a Dura Ace build, it will eventually become part Ultegra when it comes time to replace the rear cassette. :) The new Ultegra shifters being the only ones with the adjustability is very interesting and I could see that being an important reason to choose Ultegra over Dura Ace.
Cassettes such as 12-28 are a DA-exclusive, as are chainring pairs like 54/42. The second lowest difference after 46/36, which in turn DA doesn't have.
Ultegra is my go-to-groupset. Although not bad 105 just isn't up to snuff and the difference in shifting performance is felt between 105 and Ultegra. When buying my new bike I was testing the two head to head. The 105 came in the color combination I really wanted, but I ended up going for the Ultegra version in more plain colors because I just did not like the feeling of shifting 105 and then going back to Ultegra and noticing a different feel and sound.
Couldn't take my eyes off that emonda... What a stunning bike
I wonder why I have to imagine the comparisons with the 105? seems like a good topic for a future video.
I have Dura Ace 9100 with rim brakes on my older Trek Madone and Ultegra with disk brakes on my new Niner gravel bike. Both group sets shift just fine but Dura Ace is way better with smoother and quicker shifting.
Always 1st class reviews👍🇦🇺
Love the tool wall!!!
Great vid!
This video was published two years ago, I've visited it more than once, and now for a reply... When I started seriously riding bicycles, then racing after I stopped competing as a sprint distance runner after college (early 1980s), I learned why better gear was better; and there was pretty much only the good stuff, and everything else was far behind. Ramping up to real training and racing mileage (approx. 1K miles/month), with the mileage and load on the gear, we'd wear stuff out with entry level gear very quickly. Brake pads, chains, chainrings - yes, all the regular consumables - but also derailleur pivots, bearings/bearing races, bent axles. Stuff would just fall apart.
The "good" stuff lasted, it was rebuildable, small parts were actually available for ready repair, and it worked all the time, every time. At this time, this was mostly the better Campagnolo kit (for me this was Campagnolo Super Record; gorgeous styling, flawless bearings, worked terribly poorly), then Shimano changed the game entirely, leaving everyone to catch up for the next decade, with the introduction of the "New" Dura-Ace group, the 7400-series stuff. It was a paradigm shift.
By the late-1990s, using most typically Dura-Ace and Ultegra (having long lost the 600 rubric and many other peripheral Shimano model lines having fallen away), the Ultegra kit had become excellent, a far ways better than the decent painted 600 stuff that came before. It was REALLY good. Today, almost even the most humble SRAM, Campy, or Shimano stuff is really good. It's better than ever.
The big different between the group sets is the manufacturing location. Saving a lot when manufacturing in Malaysia vs Japan.
Very small change in materials.
One of the best videos!! thanks
Glad you liked it :)
Enjoyed the video.
the r8000 is so amazing (especially the rim Brakes) i don´t see a Point to upgrade to dura ace (until i am starting with races)
I've (also) got full 600 Ex on a 1985 Raleigh Road Ace.
Was struggling between these two but now I think I am pretty clear :)
one of the better type of struggles :)
great video Dan. Ultegra is great but DA is supreme!! I have the Di2 with calliper brakes, sexy and smooth! 😂 the brake levers are a work of art. 👌
Thanks GCN!
An interesting video and well executed, it would have been even better if you had mechanical Ultegra on a 3rd bike as a comparison?
I have not watched the review yet, but I just wanted to say that I have had the 11-speed Ultegra Di2 on my bike for over 33,000 miles now (I ride a LOT), and not one single thing ever has gone wrong with it, except that the rubber brake hoods are good and worn.
I let he battery get low 3 times over all those miles, which limited my shifting exclusively to the tear derailleur. I never ran completely out of battery charge.
I have a Scott Solace 20 with the Ultegra groupset, and I'll never need to upgrade. As a matter of fact, I downgraded the front derailleur to the 105 and here's why: The Ultegra derailleur constantly needed adjusting due to all the sweat it collects and I found this unacceptable. I've ridden thousands of miles on 105 derailleurs and they never needed adjustments, they're more of a workhorse than the Ultegra. Unless you're a 140 pound pro rider, you don't really need more than Ultegra, and with the new 105 set, you'd probably be just as happy with those.
Keep in mind there's two variants of the 105 FD's on the market. FD-5801 is the new version.
Another great video! What kinds of boots are you wearing?
Ultegra is the groupset to go obviously (specially now that it can take a 34t cassette) but I will always lust over Dura Ace tho
Doesn’t the new dura ace have one rear mech only? No longer needing short medium or long?
Troy, DA has only a short cage one. For larger sprockets than 30T you would need to buy an Ultegra RD-GS.
I lusted over the new Dura Ace and bought the mechanical R9100 derailleurs and crankset last year. I was previously using Ultegra 6800. The shifting on the DA front mech is better than on the old Ultegra, but I doubt it is better than the new Ultegra. I have to confess bling does have some appeal to me and also the fact that you feel you have 'arrived' when you have the best. (By the way, I did not get DI2, because I do not ever want to be dependent on a battery for cycling.)
I also have a list for dura ace, but not enough money. Solution: R8000 groupset and a pair of R9100 wheels. Thus I have huge "dura-ace" fonts on my bike and still some money for food and rent.
@@Edmond347 I have adjusted my cable tension once in the year I have had it. I said earlier that I do not ever want to be dependent on a battery for cycling". If you remove, or do not recharge your battery, you cannot go out cycling (unless you want to be stuck in one gear); therefore, you are dependent on a battery - which is what I said. Logic is not your forte, it appears. I have heard of various people who either have, or know of someone who have, forgotten to charge their batteries and suffered because of it. If you wish to run electronic shifting, I have no problem with it; but until I am compelled to, I will adhere to mechanical, which serves me fine.
If put a rider on a bike very few could say which group they were riding without looking down. They sell Dura-Ace mainly by innovating there first then let the new features trickle down to ultegra and 105.
Something to throw in the mix, wear rate, been told, don't know if a myth that more expensive wear faster. A veteran mate that used to TT against Tom Simpson said "loose the fat and you will fly" If I had the money though I would buy the best. I ride with 105 on my winter bike & its great & Sram force on my summer best, like chalk & cheese. Another thing if we ride just for fun do we need the best of the best, suppose its nice to have a bit of bling. Nice one Dan.
What GCN didn't tell you was that Ultegra components last significantly longer than dura ace due to the heavier materials used.
I like how Dan's question is why is ultegra so much cheaper instead of asking why dura ace is so much more expensive
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My next frame will very likely be titanium, and I intend to build it from the ground up. I am a 105 stalwart..but that seemed a little "low end" even for me. And it's not the high upfront cost of DA that turns me off either; it's the high long term upkeep cost.
However, if as Dan alluded to, there may eventually be the same type of parity between 105 and Ultegra, then I may be able to justify going back and forth between 105 and Ultegra once I do build up my next bike. Particularly as cassettes, chains, and rings need replaced.
hi, surprised you didnt look at the bearings... all bearings are not the same... in terms of performance this.must be one of the most important differences... would have been interesting to hear what the Shimano rep would have said on this point...
I always thought the difference between DA vs Ult was DA used ceramic bearings in their RD whereas Ult did not...
Nice presentation.
A great video...something I've already suspected and also been told by some seasoned riders when I was shopping for a road bike last year. I'd love to know how much bike component and frame manufacturers actually spend their $$$ on R&D, team sponsorship, and marketing. I have a sneaking suspicion that profits from ultra premium components pay for team sponsorship and marketing.
I enjoy the videos but I'd like to get information about durability. It seems to me that durability should be a significant of a consumers purchasing concerns.
I use ultegra with dura-ace crankset and brakes. It works great!
My takeaway is if you want high performing equipment get ultegra unless you have money to burn and are really going to need that weight difference. It's good to know so you don't spend too much time wishing you had Dura ace.
Will you be doing a video for ultegra vs 105?
they might wait until Shimano update 105 this year.
I enjoyed your Dura Ace vs Ultegra episode. Just ordered PD R8000 Ultegra pedals. The Dura Ace Chainring is most beautiful sexy looking. Well done vs presentation 🚲👍
And, inevitably, 105 and ultegra!
105 full black is SO pretty! Isn't that most of the argument?! =)
Love this absolutely
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