Every survivor build i make has bt in it, for both solo and swf. Just for those cases where the killer is proxy camping and I dont really wanna leave someone on a hook as its boring and super annoying to die first hook, especially is your in a swf and have to wait for your team to finish a match.
To be fair, BT only activates and becomes a problem for you if your proxy camping. Adjust your playstyle to juggle survivors instead and you'll notice BT and DS mean nothing anymore.
@@johnwarner4178 it's a clear tell that they have the perks mentioned, if they don't even give you the chance to walk away. At that point your best off taking the easy hits, but pursuing further will just be a waste of your time. Can't always think of killer as a straight line.
For me this squad isnt a bully squad, in my opinion a bully squad is a squad that wants to piss off the killer, teabagging and flashlight clicking, vault abusing, and etc. This squad you have gone against is a good squad, they were confident about their skills but, i didnt see any survivor do a teabag in any loop, they were trying to survive and still not disrespecting the killer (even when they are not scary of him) This is a really good squad, i would prefer be against this kinda of squad daily then a head-on group + flashlight clickers
You're damn right, also in EU Red rank, this is a common game, not rare at all, the real eu bully squad will give you no freehits, nothing at all, they made 0 mistakes, they abude everything every perk ALWAYS and also tbag and click, heal in front of you constantly. This Is no way near a real bully eu squod
@@pietro93vit Yeah EU, Asian server and American servers all have completely different metas. Ppl play different. Also you know America has like one language, while Europe has multiple and you have stereotypes, like toxic russians, frenchies etc. You don´t really have those ppl that just want to piss you off on NA servers that much in no game americans can say they have seen real toxicity, Ever played Overwatch on the European server? In comparision to what EU players face, NA is like preschool there is that one child that is weird and ppl like to play pranks on him , While EU is middle school and you are the prey of everyone in the damn class, so hard that you don´t even want to go to school anymore. If you play on EU in the morning you face sweaty russian swf, red ranks that purposely get themselves a low rank survivor into the team, so the algorithmn is versing them against low rank killers. And those killers, get blinded, stunned, bodyblocked, tbagged, spun around, dead harded, bted. Healing right in front of the killers face. Gens get completed into that killers face etc. No free hits, they are sending you to Ormond or Haddonfield with offerings, If you survive that tough as hell learning curve on EU servers, you can say that you understood how to play killer. I have friends that played on Asian servers, and they had almost no toxicity or bullying there. And NA seems fine to me in comparision to what EU is like.
As a 50/50 player I agree. The whole "be afraid of killer, killer power role fantasy" is tainted goods. Truth is this isn't a horror game and killer isn't the "final boss." It's a more complicated hybrid of Tag/Hide and Seek. I'm same if I'm killer as long as your not teabagging,or clicking your flashlight/spamming vaults I'm good. Or if your that survivor that immediately runs to Fun Bus the second I hit you no matter where you are on the map, that's annoying too. And as survivor all I ask is don't Facecamp me and don't swing at me the second my feet touch the ground deliberately ignoring other survivors trying to take aggro. Unless the gates are powered I'm a firm believer there's no such thing as tunneling or camping when the gates are powered.
Finishing a gen in front of a killer is not toxic or being a bully it’s just doing a gen, sometimes finishing a gen even if your gonna die or get hit is what is needed for your team to win that’s all.
@@yoruichixx6951 yeah I agree some times I 3k and a door opens so I just go around the map braking pallets for points and the last guy just isn’t leaving. It’s a waste of time however some survivors do it to give you extra points by downing them into the exit and others just leave ones you turn the corner so it’s a 50/50 I guess. You’re not wrong though it dose get old.
@@apekunttm9743 Me too! As killer lol. As survivor I don’t leave sometimes if im the last guy and i want the killer to find hatch, or if they’re close and i wanna say bye, i try to let them get as many points as possible
My view of these guys isn't that they're a bully squad. They're certainly fearless and look pretty good to my scrub eyes, but when I think bully survs I think people who flashlight over every pallet and teabagging on missed swings. People who try go out of their way to tilt you over playing optimally. These guys were bold af which certainly can be annoying, but none of it seemed intentionally toxic. I always love the videos of scott analyzing himself and explaining his thought process like how he recognizes good survivors and adjusts his gameplay to it
I think the only survivors that you could call "bullies" are the one trying to set up traps using head on and spamming flashlights. I guess you could call that bullying but I'm cool with it personally. The guys Scott was facing are simply a decent red rank team in my opinion.
To be fair, he did specify that *new* killers might consider them bully squads, because they're so aggressive and overwhelming. That's a mistaken assumption, of course, and as players gain experience they hopefully learn to respect good survivors instead of raging at them and taking things personally.
Agree and i though it was gonna do sonething like that when they said they will give us more ways to get tokens not just write you can also get from pallet and flashlight saves something you we're always getting tokens from 😄😄😄
Should also get stacks for not only taking hits but being in range of a killer when a survivor wiggles out, either bc they got the killer to waste time by missing hits or with break out
@Nate Higgers wglf rewards risky altruistic playstyles with extra points. while hooking survivors is a killers objective, killing a survivor is their main objective. imagine if killers only got a stack for successfully killing a survivor, that's what getting a stack for finishing a gen would be like. killers don't get 4 kills every game, survivors don't always get 4 gens done every game. I like where they're headed with WGLF but I do think stacks should be limited to altruism and boldness actions.
@Nate Higgers I get what you're saying and I agree that wglf stacks are hard to get but thats why I'm saying there should be more events that reward stacks, i just don't think doing gens fits with what the perk is trying to encourage. Some examples of what i think would be good events would be sabotaging near a killer while they're carrying a survivor, getting a killer to drop a survivor even without taking hits, picking up slugged survivors, maybe even healing another teammate within the killers TR
@Nate Higgers God damnit... you’re name is really making it hard for me to pass No NWord November... It’s been two days since I’ve said it... two long excruciating days...
well it is game design. its a game that was designed with the killer being scary for the average survivor in mind. these guys have like over a thousand hours and just stopped giving a shit. in fact, it can also play into the killers favor when they dont care, there were a few hits in this video that were almost completely avoidable by the survivors.
@@onlinepanic2036 its not a horror game is the point lol the only scary killers are hag because she's literally like vs fnaf its just jump scares and Oni who is genuinely quite frightening
18:20 - You're not big scary killer. It's hard to think that when you can't see over a table. With a Trapper I could understand but your camera is on the level of a crouching survivor's head.
@@Liumane A mistake? We got our first-person model as our match-starting animation for a week, Blight was shoved like a full foot into the ground. That doesn't happen on accident.
@@Xbob42 That's because the first person animation bug when you see your killer at the start of the game is something that can be fixed very easily. Game designer said on stream and explained that if they were to fix Blight's POV, they would have to update every single first person animation that he has to match the correct height, which would take time and is not a priority for them
99% of these "bully squads" aren't here to bully the killer. The thing with survivor is after so many hours the fun part IS the killer interaction. You want to be around the killer and in their face all the time because thats 1000x more fun than holding M1 on a gen. I think everyone takes what happens in games too personally and people act like if i get a couple flashlight saves in a game i'm a fucking awful person IRL and shit.
If i am talking about Bullysquads i dont talk about people like this. Thats just a very strong group of survivers. I think Scott is unable to see a real bullysquad, because he is just striaght up too good. You cant really bully someone thats beating your ass.
Thats what I was thinking for the whole video. As one of the best killers in the world if you struggle then 99% of the killer base will straight out be dumpstered. Sure then build was not as sweaty as it could have been and the killer maybe not optimal but you can never know what you will face until you are in the game. This is a case of top 1% killer faces optimal survivor squad which happens extremely rarely, funny enough the killer is never running OP builds
While these game may be frustrating, they're also some of the most rewarding. The more frustrating aspect comes from the game itself. You feel robbed when the game takes a hit away or your power fucks up.
@@thegamefreakhjgghjl1928 doesn't bother me, not the survivors fault that the spawns are in their favour, sometimes when I play survivor we literally all spawn right next to each other, it's a lottery
REAL good video The whole "dont get salty message" is such a resounding and great message to give out. It is 100% ok to see our mistakes and seek to improve instead of deflecting so that we can protect our ego
The problem i seem to have is there are quite a few smerfs and also i get matched with survivors in purple and green ranks all the time even though im a rank 17 killer. Im a rank 6 survivor.
I feel attacked, because this is me in a nutshell. I am a very mediocre looper on any tile, but Shack and almost every main building that isn't fucking POS Coldwind Maps are where I can loop a killer for literal hours.
@@mythmage8231 Thats the Definition of boosted. A good survivor could loop a killer at a weaker tile for a long time. A good survivor does not use infinites or god loops over and over. Just because that counts as exploiting
@@jibrailhattar190 oh no, you misunderstand. I am a killer main with a sub-optimal computer. Coldwind is basically "get rank 20s or lose" for me because of FUCKING CORN
ikr it's almost as if SWF's with comms are legit cheating getting outside information. Matchmaking should be made with SWF's in mind and the killer should be notified if there's a swf so they know to switch to all the tier 1 perks. If a swf is gonna go 110% sweat mode a killer should at least know so they can properly prepare. That's only fair.
18:33 well, a lot of the players in after game chat and who leave steam profile comments would disagree with you, because they do claim they’re going to kill me and other such bullshit.
@@thepeppershow5539 the only fun part of dbd are chases where you need skill to outplay your opponent so i don't understand why people say spirit and deathslinger are fun when you never feel like you outplayed someone when you play them because most of the time there was nothing survivor could do not to go down if enjoy playing them - im glad you are getting all those comments honestly (:
Just here to comment that the Spirit Bug seems to have been implemented intentionally since they updated the description of her Power. I consider this an absolute Win.
I too feel that the devs are wrong and make bad decisions overall. However this was 100% a bug, but people really liked it as a gameplay feature. McLean even did a poll on his stream and people would go there just to ask for it to stay. I think that players are being too harsh now. Let's be happy that they listened and that this is a good feature now, even if it started unintentionally
I actually followed Scott's advice about not being offended when Survs are doing their objectives well, and I extended that whenever I play Survivor. Whenever I go against a Pig, (a killer I personally main here and there) I try to take notes from them as they're chasing me so I can learn and maybe apply that style to my games. Personally, I think that DBD can be a less toxic place (not saying it'll be toxic-free, let's be realistic here) if players viewed every match as a learning experience for playing both sides, taking notes about possible strats and just acknowledging when you got outplayed or made a mistake then chalk it up to fix next game.
This is only the second video I watch of you in a year. But love your vibe, chill ness and explanations. Look forward to watching more of your videos. :)
20:05 Out of curiosity, if these guys aren't considered "Sweaty," what is then? Because they all had super meta perks, we're a SWF in coms, coordinating adrenaline procs with coms, and pushed gens as optimally as they could. Can survivors not be considered sweaty in your opinion? Not trying to be antagonistic, I'm actually curious.
Sweaty to me is those who prioritize winning over having fun, simple as that. See: 4 man tourney squads playing matches against randoms and utterly stomping them with no bold plays, all split up, intentionally letting people die to enhance gen time, etc.
This is actually not sweaty at all if you compare it to what they could be doing. And they're not running all meta perks though? Are we looking at the same endgame screen? Stake out, inner strength, wglf, only 1 ds, 2 bts, bit of adrenalines and iw and then the dead hards/lithe. You can compare this to what scott is running, good perks in general - not a sweaty build. Sweat squad would have multiple ds + unbreakable and most likely more sprint bursts instead, also quite possibly one object to call out information to the rest, maybe even map offering. Possibly medkits instead of flashlights. Most importantly sweat squads play differently - these guys were clearly fearless and didn't care much about the killer, grouped up, let the killer hit them for free. If they were sweating they would have did the most efficient thing, just split up and did gens, instead you can see that they were messing around a lot. This just seemed like a pretty intense and enjoyable game, I'd really rather play against this than a real sweat squad or a team full of immersed players.
"Meta" perks don't make someone sweaty, they just so happen to be strong perks that are worth running over others. Just being in comms doesn't make you sweaty. Do you think that anyone who plays something like a BR and communicates with their friends is sweaty? Coordinating adren procs I also don't see as sweaty, that's just how you use adrenaline lmao. They definitely didn't do gens as optimally as possible though. That game took far too long and too many of them were close to each other too often for it to have been optimal.
he considers sweats those who can loop for so long and so like perfectly that hitting them will take a year,and then if they get hooked they wont even attempt to get them off the hook,theyll just turbo gens
Everyone ins this comment section is flaming you for that comment, but like I literally said the exact same thing you did when he said they weren't sweaty. I completely agree with you and these kind of teams make you want to delete the game and never even bother with it again. Games should be fun, not stress-inducing.
Couple quick asides: - Polite chat, nice to see player complimenting each other sometimes. 😄 - The highest scoring player was the survivor with 40,654. That's a lot of Blight generator points! Even if he had died he still might have outscored Scott's "perfect" 32k.
@@britishpotato1019 No, We're Gonna Live Forever adds to points outside of the trial like BBQ and Chili or standard bloodpoint offerings. (If these perks added to the scores then you'd see scores of like 60k)
Actually, the survivor was guaranteed to have more than 32K score. He's not obsession, so he'd only get 5K from escaping, and MAYBE 1250 BP for opening gate, assuming he didn't have max objective before that.
The best way to deal with "bully squads" is to dont panic and take advantage of how cocky they are. Also even though they are probably going to talk shit at the end, you are the killer,use whatever tactics necessary to win
thanks Scott! From time to time I get frustrated and I just think I'm not good at the game (despite playing since 2016), but watching this video has made me realise that everyone goes through that once in a while.
Loved the video Scott, would love it if you could do more of these. I get bullied hard so often nowadays lol, great to see some tips we can take away to become better. Thanks again
The only times I ever feel like I’m being bullied is a large amount of unnecessary teabagging, like they waste time because they know you are bad and can make major mistakes in your face and get away with it
Another thing to remember: Most killer players will only have a few hundred hours played. The game is a 1 v 4, so if one of the survivors happens to be a god with 5k hours it's normal that you lose. Would you get tilted if Lebron James owned you at basketball?
In PS4 europe you get squads like this after hitting killer rank 10. There are so much bullysquads that most killers have given up so green killers play mostly against red/purple
@@MisterRagdoll I know to moonwalk. I'm talking about sabotaging 2 hooks near me during a pick up, everyone with DS, and body blocking hooks every time.😂
I remember dealing with a bully squad in Macmillan with Ghosty Boi, against the clicky click of flashlights and teabags galore I held my ground and slowly took them out one by one till the final 2 lay at my feet in a bloody mess, it sucks when you go against 'em, but the taste of victory is rarely sweeter when you win.
It's funny how killers get offended from survivors that have played the gane for over thousands of hours not cowering in fear from just their presence. You want people to be scared of you while playing killer? Give them a reason to fear you. Don't assune that the moment you select the play killer option that you will become a monster feared by all. You are just a person and the people who are experienced know that you are just a person so they may not be scared nk matter what they do.
It's not a matter of the players being scared like, in terror. But they should be mechanically intimidated. They should be at a greater disadvantage in open conflict with the killer than this game demonstrates them to be.
@@Noname72105 still even in your own words. survivors still need a reason to be intimidated. They're not gonne be intimidated by every single fuddy duddy killer that comes along. Not every killer was created equal as we all know some are far stronger than the others and those are the ones that even some of the best survivors are intimidated by. I myself am intimidared by a good nurse or spirit same with a good billy. But if the killer player isn't good at all i won't be scared at all. Thus it brings be back to a killer having to earn their inimidation factor from survivors who have likely seen every many times over
@@Noname72105 the potential for 1v1 situations are in the game because the killer could choose to just tunnel one person to death really easy otherwise. and if it wasn't possible for a survivor run a killer the whole match every killer would just tunnel 1 survivor really quickly which wluld mske killer way too easy cause facing 3 survivors compared 4 is way easier
Hey dude, you’ve quickly become one of my favorite RUclipsrs to watch. You do an awesome job on a very consistent basis. I hope you read this. Thank you!
Damn you hit the nail on the head by pointing out that what a lot of people consider “bullying” is just survivors not being scared anymore. I’ve seen people playing killer that say shit like “he’s doing that gen right in my face that’s so disrespectful” and get tilted about it.
Ok so, I think I’m the only one in the community that knows of this bug/buff, but lauries perk “sole survivor” got a buffbug. If a survivor escapes, you get a working token towards it. It’s not a big buff, but for end game it’s op.
Yeah, it's definitely not OP. I never thought of this type of buff, but it would be a great addition to Sole Survivor, and I think they should keep it (like the Spirit bug). Might finally make the perk somewhat decent.
scott: so make sure you're watching out for... *proceeds to list 30 things you have to play around all at once when facing a coordinated group* me: ya, i'll just do that, that seems fair.
Really good vid Scott me being kinda new to killer this is helpful especially for Jew killer players matches like these are very frustrating and makes u not wanna play nomore
I got in a match as blight with a bully squad who was streaming on twitch who all brought the stuff to seperate hooks and shit to sabo so I slugged them all and killed them then had their viewers message me shit saying I'm toxic.
@@pbacon95 I dunno man. It’s kind of shitty when I’m in solo queue when a killer tunnels me and Mori’s me off of first hook. While I find the rest of my team all crouching around the map.
Maybe semantics to some, but atleast for me I disagree strongly on your depiction on bully squad. Sweaty squad is a SWF which optimizes and coordinates everything and can be bold as mentioned to benefit the team. They can coordinate tactics and items that can be unfun for killer, but they're only picked to tip the odds more for in their favor. Bully squad first and foremost objective is to ruin killers experience, everythings is secondary, even winning. Manifested in teabags, clicking, all kinds of other obnoxious behaviors such as spamming vault to spam the explosions for killers or run double OoO jus to point the killer. While sweaty squad is not inherently bad on moral level, it can still be awful to go against. Bully squad as name implies is just getting the kicks from malice actions and such should be clearly disinguished from the normals swf's and should be heavily frowned upon.
This I agree with. This team was good but they were also friendly in end game. Bully squads are literally only satisfied with making the killer tilted. This kind of stuff makes me quit the game for months at a time only to try again and repeat the process
THIS. Bully squads well... bully people. Like a toxic Killer who camps, tunnels, hits on hook, call people trash, etc. A Bully Squad click, tbeag, point, run full sabo squads, bring Killers to Ormond, call people trash, etc.
I strongly agree I wish more people would note the difference. I'm a sweaty as killer, so I deserve sweaty ass survivors, but I hate going against people who try even harder to win not because they are sweaty but because they're awful people and winning really is secondary to them and they have a shit attitude.
FAX. This shit is the reason why if you’re just a good survivor who has lots of hours and is “sweaty” but isn’t necessarily trying to ruin the killer’s experience/gameplay, you’re considered a “toxic entitled survivor main”
Funny how this is just a "bully squad" and I had a killer calling us sweaty SWF when we were all random solo without a single meta perk, no BT, no DS, no DH, no nothing, he tunneled all 4 of us to death with still 2 gens up. I said killers like him make DS mandatory, and you know what he replied? "Sweaty SWF getting tunneled, sorry not sorry" lmao. Sometimes I don't even know what to say to those killers. They want DS gone, but when we don't use DS, they just tunnel the shit out of your existence and think it's perfectly fine
@@sixtuna1911 when I say campers and tunnelers, I mean literally campers and tunnelers, they ignore everything else, just want you dead. A real tunnelers wouldn't chase all 4 of you, he will kill whoever the first hook is, no matter if there are 3 free hits in front of him, he will ensure the first one die, then go on the 2nd and so on. Sometimes they bring a mori to make it ez win, game literally ends in 2 min with 4k 5 gen and no BP for anyone.
@@Pika-ck7ww Who cares about BP? If you end the game quickly you can just as quickly pop into the next one. I am not against tunneling, as sometimes it's the most effective tactic as killer against organized teams, but I wouldn't complain about DS either, at least as long as it's used for it's purpose. The problem is that it's often not used like that, but in an aggressive way, like that Felix repairing in front of him in the shack. DS used defensively is fair, but the aggressive component is not at all. As a start, they should at least remove the fact that there can be more than 1 DS active at any time, since you can't be possibly tunneling 2 people at the same time.
@@Pika-ck7ww like survivors dont waste time, 99ing the faucking gate searching for the killer and god beware if you stay still as killer they would play that match for 5 hours id rather speedrun that fucking game and get 3 bp per match then fucking survivors trying to waste time like the degenerates they all are
@@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag I care about BP, i use offerings to get BP, each match takes ages to get started, i'd rather get BPs than rushing a game just to jump to the next. what do you even get from rushing the game anyway, just like gen rushers, not fun at all
I play survivor more then killer because I always get hardcore bullied and gen rushed, if I focus on slowing gen progress they get away but when I focus on downing survivors more then I get gen rushed. It’s irritating af I’m not really a great killer tho. Any tips?
One thing I respect about Scott is how he'll never rely on the usual excuses that other killers make. Most killers would call these survivors "sweaty," "tryhards," etc. but Scott just calls them good players.
Great video, Scott. I'm not in red ranks so instead of the actually bully survivors I just get these tryhard wannabes who will stay in your face the whole game, thinking that they're being amazing by wasting their time saving each other with flashlights and or unhooking someone just as you turn away from the hook instead of doing gens. And then, when they inevitably lose, they'll call you a camper, tunneler, slugger and anything else that comes to their mind.
This match really shows how strong the new WGLF is on SWF. Unbreakable already is a strong anti-slug perk that can make you lose games just because one person picked themself up, but with WGLF, and with fearless survivors like that, you don't even have a chance to get multiple people on the ground at once, since if you slug someone, the 2 other survivors will probably immediately go pick the other person up as you chase someone else.
I remember I had a game where a survivor was down and me and my friends literally pick the down survivor in 3 or 4 seconds it insane they should nerf it a bit honestly
Yeah as soon as it hit the PTB I combined it with botany knowledge and desperate measures and a medkit. You can pick someone up in like 8 seconds. It’s really funny to watch. It’s honestly like playing against a no mither. You can’t really slug.
Atleast thats 4 survivors not doing anything in order to get a slug. No gens getting done If the slugged survivor had unbreakable the last 2 would be doing gens, while the slug gets themselves
you actually did really well in this match, especially with the 3k against this team, don't be so hard on yourself for letting one person go. I had a lot of fun watching the game and appreciate the advice though ☺️
@Nate Higgers Yepp, and killers can body block too. I always sit at a window for an extra second after walking through during a chase to prevent a loop around. Body blocks go both waya.
scott, buddy, you got 32K points with 3 kills and 11-10 hooks. literately just shy of a perfect victory and the last guy made it out by the skin of his teeth. That's a clear victory in my book. Focusing on just getting the 4k is just not enough for me and isn't as challenging overall. my personal draw or tie conditions for killer are as follows. 1.getting roughly equal amount of BP the collective average of the survivors BP. 2.get 2 kills. 3.get to at least a safety pip (even if I am already rank 1). for Survivor it is as follows. 1.having 2 survivors escape. (myself escaping is a bonus) 2. having higher average blood points collectively as a team compared to the killer. 3. getting at least a safety pip. anything less for me than these requirements is a loss. additionally, getting 2/3 of the requirements for killer or Survivors counts as victory. I feel like this is as close to the wins conditions that the devs "intended" for dbd and is why I chose to use these requirements tp judge my gameplay.
He always says since theres no win condition in this game that winning can be whatever anyone wants it to be. Thats why if you watch his stream and theres a match where he may only get one kill his chat will say, “You got 4 stacks of bbq so you win.” I think he sets his win condition so high simply because he knows he has a lot of hours and will play better than most survivors he goes against.
BTW, will you be continuing the video series where you take suggestions on changes/new features from your comment section and discussing them? they where great even tho you only did 2 of them
Got into a game on the m e a t plant the other day, me and my friend found lit totems on the opposite side of the map from one another and as soon as we touched them the killer dced....it was ruin and undying lmao
The problem that you and Jen didn't seem to address during that game on stream is that these survivors are aggressive as hell because they can; because of their perks and not their skill. If you weren't one of the top 4 or so killers like you were (specifically if you weren't a very mobile killer like you were), you would have gotten stomped and there would have been NOTHING you could have done about it. That's the problem people complain about. These types of survivors abuse every second chance perk they have to almost become un-counterable. Even as Blight, if they didn't underestimate you like they did several times, you would have still lost. They just made too many mistakes, some being really bad, like not seeing pallets right in front of them, etc. If they were better survivors, no chance. Now play against them as mid-tier killers, wraith or ghostface, or bubba, etc. You would have been utterly destroyed with no chance. That's what's bullshit, and they know it's bullshit, so really, they are trying to bully, they are trying to take advantage of their immunity perks. You can't tunnel them, you can't slug them (WGLF basically a better and reusable unbreakable now), you can't camp them, and you can't even do anything about them doing gens in your face after being unhooked. Hell, you can't even properly chase them because every time they finally make a mistake, they just get away Scott free (pun intended) with Dead Hard and extend the chase by 50% while the other 3 are pushing gens while injured. And I won't even get into their coordination, because that's honestly the part that makes it work as well as it does. TL;DR you wouldn't be making this video if you played against them as pretty much any other killer except maybe nurse. Even spirit does not have the map pressure to handle this type of group.
its not black and white like that. if you give 4 green rank survivors ds, bt, ub, and dh theyll get stomped by any red rank killer no matter who theyre playing. you can win in this game without meta killers, the only time you cant is if youre against a top1% death squad who only do gens.
I understand the mindset but I don't agree fully. If I were a worse player. I could use something like Ruin Undying / Mori to make up for it and still have the same result. In a way, addons, perks, and offerings are like a "difficulty select."
@@ScottJund survivor is already easy mode. If you understand tiles and How to chain then you can loop without using pallets for 5 minutes. Add Second chances makes the game boring, you Will always escape so there is no fear or high Adrenaline moments. I use "no mither" as survivor, any mistake and Im dead, its rewards me for not making mistakes, It feels more Fun than making the killer Camp me after 5 gen chases only to be escape anyway by BT/DS
@@Insanity-vv9nn im sorry that is complete bullshit. there is not a single scenario in which a survivor can loop me without pallets for more than even a single minute, much less 5.
I disagree on this being a "Bully Squad" honestly. This felt more like an somewhat optimal squad. Biggest sign of a Bully Squad is excessive teabagging and trash talk, neither of which they did.
But that's also a sign of no fear, teabagging does nothing when you don't let it get to you and trash talking is only post game. Scott chose "Bully squad" in the right way since the most "bullying" they can do is play optimal.
@@nodusman6445 Again, playing optimally is not bullying, that's just an somewhat optimal SWF. This isn't really a bully squad, just a squad trying to win and not caring much about going down because they have faith. And that's a terrible argument for teabagging. Just because it didn't get to you, doesn't mean it didn't happen with an intent to get to you.
I've found that if you are getting gen rushed, slugging works best. Because if you try to hook one or two survivers immediately, their teammates will pump out gens. You gotta give the survivors a choice: do the gens, or save your teammates. The ideal scenario would be: you slug one survivor, then slug another. After you get the second guy, go back and hook the first guy. Chances are there will be someone attempting to pick them up. If you can get a free hit, do it, but don't commit to the third guy. You get the hook, then go back to the slugged survivor. At this point you can snowball your way to victory! Just remember: you have to give them a reason to get off gens, but don't feel bad if you need to sacrifice a gen for the sake of map pressure.
If they're trying to bully, take advantage of it. Usually against bully squads in my experience, they'll be two or 3 survivors trying to mess with me while the last one sticks on gens all game, don't commit to chases too long, get a pallet or two out of someone and rotate. If you don't get a pallet or a hit in 15 seconds of chase, you most likely did something wrong. I only play Ghostface although I have started to play a lot of Legion lately as well so I deal with squads like this all the time. Not "Death" squads but bully squads who try to make me suffer as much as possible since I'm playing mid tier and under killers. If you have to force someone to second stage, do it. If you want to slug, do it. Don't try to play nicely at all. If they're gonna ruin my fun, I'll play the same game but most of all don't get tilted. That's what they want. If it's a bad map for killer like Ormond or Cowshed aim to get 2 of them because at the end of the day, getting two of them on unfavourable maps while they run every second chance perk available is perfectly okay and don't give them any attention in post game chat. Just say gg and leave.
I'm a main killer and I get this kind of survis a lot. At the start didn't feel great but I started playing private games with the friends that introduce me to it and I changed my point of view. They like interacting with the killer, loops, pallet stuns and volts are the only way they can have fun and playing kind of riscky is the way to get chases. Even when I play surv I don't want to hide and do 2 gens in a row, I want to play the game, use my brain and have fun. Getting that window volt just as the killer lunges and scaping by an inch, dodgeing deathslingers shot or mindgaming a spirit feels great, pressing space once in a while not so much
Late reply, but it allows you to heal a survivor 100% faster when they are on the ground so they were healing at 200% the normal speed when two have it and are healing together.
But Scott, I'm still going to post a comment about how my situation is worse than this one and how all survivors i go against are 4 man toxic survivor main 1 man swf squads that bully me despite me being the best killer main EU in my building block so I use an ebony mori and prayer beads iridescent head spirit every game and refuse to play anything else otherwise, and my victory using those things means I am a hero and brave killer main against these vicious evil survivor 1 man swf squads *and then I dc and then get spun anyways. In that order.*
Hey, look, 2 console players! I always love to see my fellow console players giving a good fight. It proves that this game is less mechanical skill and more game sense.
I love when PC players group all console players into the trash category as if there isn’t a top 1% on both platforms. I play with my PC buds all the time and it’s a blast, we’re all pretty equal skill wise but I tend to get myself killed for the memes lol
tbh tho i solo Q survivor ALOT, and after crossplay, i have seen some of the DUMBEST shit ever in solo Q (and that is saying something) come from console players. when i see console players i do not expect much from them because that is my experience, the odds of a GOOD console player is like finding a bamboozle nurse. the odds of finding a GOOD pc player is like getting haddonfield with no offerings. also i have noticed CONSOLE killers tend to camp/hard tunnel more often than PC killers
@@ScottJund Your right about that. Analog sticks are very restricting compared to mouse and keyboard. I always found the “who’s better “arguement is really stupid. Who gives a shit were all playing the same game
barely anyone does that though because its extremely boring. there's no justifiable reason to repeatedly play like that just like there's no reason to justifiably play as Nurse with Ebony Mori every game. it just gets stale.
@@ScottJund I felt so bad. A rank 19 myers brought a shroud of separation and I thought it was a mori. We did the gens in 3mins 28s and he didn't even get a hit.
Hey Scott, on the subject of the difference between a confident team perceived as being toxic and an actual toxic swf, I'd be curious whether you'd agree a team I went against was toxic. In my opinion they were, and even though I came out on top and repaid the toxicity in kind, I was certainly tilted in a lot of misjudgements in my plays. If you do want to check it out, it's on my channel in my last few videos called "toxic swf bully fail".
imma take me moment to follow on Twitch, hoping to take some notes on Blight been having a real good time learning him, and your guide was a hand on the wheel
How to be a good killer:
- expect everybody has bt
- expect everybody has dead hard
- expect everybody has ds
- expect everybody has unbreakable
I'm just gonna add spine chill to this list
@DonJuan Yates I mean good survivors have been using it for a long time
-Play a perfect game
Wait you messed up once and you lost the game because of that? Lul git gud.
@@Kryptonic1 Yeah plus vault speed build is pretty addicting.
-expect some random ace with breakout
In short:
everyone has bt
they never heal
they are always there
and finally they dont give a shit
Every survivor build i make has bt in it, for both solo and swf. Just for those cases where the killer is proxy camping and I dont really wanna leave someone on a hook as its boring and super annoying to die first hook, especially is your in a swf and have to wait for your team to finish a match.
Sounds like a normal game against plague
To be fair, BT only activates and becomes a problem for you if your proxy camping. Adjust your playstyle to juggle survivors instead and you'll notice BT and DS mean nothing anymore.
@@07citychamp survivors will literally follow you to a hook and unhook in your face how is that proxy camping?
@@johnwarner4178 it's a clear tell that they have the perks mentioned, if they don't even give you the chance to walk away. At that point your best off taking the easy hits, but pursuing further will just be a waste of your time. Can't always think of killer as a straight line.
That Nea outfit is a sign that you are about to get bullied
nea is the most shit char of all , besides blendette
For me this squad isnt a bully squad, in my opinion a bully squad is a squad that wants to piss off the killer, teabagging and flashlight clicking, vault abusing, and etc.
This squad you have gone against is a good squad, they were confident about their skills but, i didnt see any survivor do a teabag in any loop, they were trying to survive and still not disrespecting the killer (even when they are not scary of him)
This is a really good squad, i would prefer be against this kinda of squad daily then a head-on group + flashlight clickers
You're damn right, also in EU Red rank, this is a common game, not rare at all, the real eu bully squad will give you no freehits, nothing at all, they made 0 mistakes, they abude everything every perk ALWAYS and also tbag and click, heal in front of you constantly. This Is no way near a real bully eu squod
@@pietro93vit Yeah EU, Asian server and American servers all have completely different metas. Ppl play different.
Also you know America has like one language, while Europe has multiple and you have stereotypes, like toxic russians, frenchies etc. You don´t really have those ppl that just want to piss you off on NA servers that much in no game americans can say they have seen real toxicity, Ever played Overwatch on the European server?
In comparision to what EU players face, NA is like preschool there is that one child that is weird and ppl like to play pranks on him , While EU is middle school and you are the prey of everyone in the damn class, so hard that you don´t even want to go to school anymore.
If you play on EU in the morning you face sweaty russian swf, red ranks that purposely get themselves a low rank survivor into the team, so the algorithmn is versing them against low rank killers. And those killers, get blinded, stunned, bodyblocked, tbagged, spun around, dead harded, bted. Healing right in front of the killers face. Gens get completed into that killers face etc.
No free hits, they are sending you to Ormond or Haddonfield with offerings, If you survive that tough as hell learning curve on EU servers, you can say that you understood how to play killer. I have friends that played on Asian servers, and they had almost no toxicity or bullying there. And NA seems fine to me in comparision to what EU is like.
I agree. The bully part is when they go against someone who isn't Scott and can't handle these plays (queing with lower ranks). They teabag, etc.
I was thinking the same.
As a 50/50 player I agree. The whole "be afraid of killer, killer power role fantasy" is tainted goods. Truth is this isn't a horror game and killer isn't the "final boss." It's a more complicated hybrid of Tag/Hide and Seek. I'm same if I'm killer as long as your not teabagging,or clicking your flashlight/spamming vaults I'm good. Or if your that survivor that immediately runs to Fun Bus the second I hit you no matter where you are on the map, that's annoying too. And as survivor all I ask is don't Facecamp me and don't swing at me the second my feet touch the ground deliberately ignoring other survivors trying to take aggro. Unless the gates are powered I'm a firm believer there's no such thing as tunneling or camping when the gates are powered.
*Repairs Gen in front of killer since i'm new and know i can't loop to well*
"Maybe i am Bully Survivor...?"
I thought the exact same thing!
Finishing a gen in front of a killer is not toxic or being a bully it’s just doing a gen, sometimes finishing a gen even if your gonna die or get hit is what is needed for your team to win that’s all.
as a killer i dont care if someone ignores me by doing gens
waiting infront of the exit gate dancing is the toxic part
just go out
@@yoruichixx6951 yeah I agree some times I 3k and a door opens so I just go around the map braking pallets for points and the last guy just isn’t leaving. It’s a waste of time however some survivors do it to give you extra points by downing them into the exit and others just leave ones you turn the corner so it’s a 50/50 I guess. You’re not wrong though it dose get old.
@@apekunttm9743 Me too! As killer lol. As survivor I don’t leave sometimes if im the last guy and i want the killer to find hatch, or if they’re close and i wanna say bye, i try to let them get as many points as possible
My view of these guys isn't that they're a bully squad. They're certainly fearless and look pretty good to my scrub eyes, but when I think bully survs I think people who flashlight over every pallet and teabagging on missed swings. People who try go out of their way to tilt you over playing optimally. These guys were bold af which certainly can be annoying, but none of it seemed intentionally toxic.
I always love the videos of scott analyzing himself and explaining his thought process like how he recognizes good survivors and adjusts his gameplay to it
I think the only survivors that you could call "bullies" are the one trying to set up traps using head on and spamming flashlights. I guess you could call that bullying but I'm cool with it personally. The guys Scott was facing are simply a decent red rank team in my opinion.
To be fair, he did specify that *new* killers might consider them bully squads, because they're so aggressive and overwhelming. That's a mistaken assumption, of course, and as players gain experience they hopefully learn to respect good survivors instead of raging at them and taking things personally.
Title is dumb. This is what happens when killer mains play victim all the time.
@@batman-sr2px lololol survivor mains are all the same.
@@batman-sr2px survivor mains are the most entitled bastards
i wish gonna live forever gave a stack for picking someone up off the ground since thats what the perk helps with
Agree and i though it was gonna do sonething like that when they said they will give us more ways to get tokens not just write you can also get from pallet and flashlight saves something you we're always getting tokens from 😄😄😄
Should also get stacks for not only taking hits but being in range of a killer when a survivor wiggles out, either bc they got the killer to waste time by missing hits or with break out
@Nate Higgers wglf rewards risky altruistic playstyles with extra points. while hooking survivors is a killers objective, killing a survivor is their main objective. imagine if killers only got a stack for successfully killing a survivor, that's what getting a stack for finishing a gen would be like. killers don't get 4 kills every game, survivors don't always get 4 gens done every game. I like where they're headed with WGLF but I do think stacks should be limited to altruism and boldness actions.
@Nate Higgers I get what you're saying and I agree that wglf stacks are hard to get but thats why I'm saying there should be more events that reward stacks, i just don't think doing gens fits with what the perk is trying to encourage. Some examples of what i think would be good events would be sabotaging near a killer while they're carrying a survivor, getting a killer to drop a survivor even without taking hits, picking up slugged survivors, maybe even healing another teammate within the killers TR
@Nate Higgers God damnit... you’re name is really making it hard for me to pass No NWord November... It’s been two days since I’ve said it... two long excruciating days...
The strongest strategy in this "horror" game is playing like it's anything but. Game design.
well it is game design. its a game that was designed with the killer being scary for the average survivor in mind. these guys have like over a thousand hours and just stopped giving a shit. in fact, it can also play into the killers favor when they dont care, there were a few hits in this video that were almost completely avoidable by the survivors.
When you realise the spooky killer is just a snot nosed belly scratching loser behind a computer screen all the horror fades away
@@onlinepanic2036 its not a horror game is the point lol the only scary killers are hag because she's literally like vs fnaf its just jump scares and Oni who is genuinely quite frightening
most games have death and violence but i dont play like im actually going to die or kill somebody
lol
18:20 - You're not big scary killer.
It's hard to think that when you can't see over a table. With a Trapper I could understand but your camera is on the level of a crouching survivor's head.
Blight main problems, you learn to deal with it
@@gangus9924They admitted it's a mistake, they just don't plan on fixing it anytime soon
@@Liumane I mean, yea that’s cool, I was just saying, as you play more Blight, you get used to it
@@Liumane A mistake? We got our first-person model as our match-starting animation for a week, Blight was shoved like a full foot into the ground. That doesn't happen on accident.
@@Xbob42 That's because the first person animation bug when you see your killer at the start of the game is something that can be fixed very easily.
Game designer said on stream and explained that if they were to fix Blight's POV, they would have to update every single first person animation that he has to match the correct height, which would take time and is not a priority for them
99% of these "bully squads" aren't here to bully the killer. The thing with survivor is after so many hours the fun part IS the killer interaction. You want to be around the killer and in their face all the time because thats 1000x more fun than holding M1 on a gen. I think everyone takes what happens in games too personally and people act like if i get a couple flashlight saves in a game i'm a fucking awful person IRL and shit.
How can you speak for most toxic survivors most take their anger out and bully killers after a long day of getting bullied at school 🤣
70% of them are normal and the 30% are toxic cunts.
@@MarathonWZ toxic is such a buzz word these days for anything people dont like lol
Why is it 99% of complaining killers act as though survivors never have skill no matter what they do?
@@danirae2098 true
If i am talking about Bullysquads i dont talk about people like this. Thats just a very strong group of survivers.
I think Scott is unable to see a real bullysquad, because he is just striaght up too good. You cant really bully someone thats beating your ass.
Well there's always some very evident signs that it's a bully squad, if they all wait at the same exit door t bagging + flashligthing your face.
Thats what I was thinking for the whole video. As one of the best killers in the world if you struggle then 99% of the killer base will straight out be dumpstered. Sure then build was not as sweaty as it could have been and the killer maybe not optimal but you can never know what you will face until you are in the game.
This is a case of top 1% killer faces optimal survivor squad which happens extremely rarely, funny enough the killer is never running OP builds
Bullysquads are the one who don't hide form the killer or try to escape as soon as they see the killer
@@Leonardo.ohime.i No that's not a Bullysquad. That's a survivor above rank 10.
He said he don't really see this is a bullying but as what's concidered into it
This somehow turned into a motivational speech on how to become a better killer for me 😂
#looking-for-group
As i said im a rat i find everything
This is a huge coincidence with funnt timing lmao
While these game may be frustrating, they're also some of the most rewarding. The more frustrating aspect comes from the game itself. You feel robbed when the game takes a hit away or your power fucks up.
I get survivors like this all the time and ignore the fuck out of me
The only games I find really frustrating are stealthing survivors or No Mither hackers, everything else I'm pretty chill with.
@@Coulroperation and gen rushers
@@thegamefreakhjgghjl1928 doesn't bother me, not the survivors fault that the spawns are in their favour, sometimes when I play survivor we literally all spawn right next to each other, it's a lottery
@@Coulroperation crazy did demo get a buff
REAL good video
The whole "dont get salty message" is such a resounding and great message to give out. It is 100% ok to see our mistakes and seek to improve instead of deflecting so that we can protect our ego
Honestly 90% of the time I play these squads they’re just boosted players that know how to loop the shack and maybe a main building structure.
The problem i seem to have is there are quite a few smerfs and also i get matched with survivors in purple and green ranks all the time even though im a rank 17 killer. Im a rank 6 survivor.
I feel attacked, because this is me in a nutshell. I am a very mediocre looper on any tile, but Shack and almost every main building that isn't fucking POS Coldwind Maps are where I can loop a killer for literal hours.
Yeah I was expecting some expert survivor level play here but these guys are very above average but not bully tier. Their perks can boost them tho
@@mythmage8231
Thats the Definition of boosted.
A good survivor could loop a killer at a weaker tile for a long time.
A good survivor does not use infinites or god loops over and over. Just because that counts as exploiting
@@jibrailhattar190 oh no, you misunderstand. I am a killer main with a sub-optimal computer. Coldwind is basically "get rank 20s or lose" for me because of FUCKING CORN
You should do another video called "How to Deal with Death Squads in DBD" in which you DC after 1 minute when the 3 first gens pop.
Don’t forget to mention those three gens pop at the same time
SWF in a chat room making call-out.
Imagine every horror movie but all the survivors have walkie-talkies, and DS
ikr it's almost as if SWF's with comms are legit cheating getting outside information. Matchmaking should be made with SWF's in mind and the killer should be notified if there's a swf so they know to switch to all the tier 1 perks. If a swf is gonna go 110% sweat mode a killer should at least know so they can properly prepare. That's only fair.
imagine if dbd was a horror game though
I mean, the fact that you managed to almost get a 4k as Blight on this map against a decent group of survivors is incredible
You know this has become a problem when he starts providing emotional support for killers
18:33 well, a lot of the players in after game chat and who leave steam profile comments would disagree with you, because they do claim they’re going to kill me and other such bullshit.
try not playing deathslinger or spirit and stop using noed and youll be fine
@@xwcott nice...telling me how to play A GAME
@@xwcott you cannot stop me from playing as a smug asshole dressed as a cowboy wielding a speargun
@@xwcott but they’re so fun tho!!
@@thepeppershow5539 the only fun part of dbd are chases where you need skill to outplay your opponent so i don't understand why people say spirit and deathslinger are fun when you never feel like you outplayed someone when you play them because most of the time there was nothing survivor could do not to go down
if enjoy playing them - im glad you are getting all those comments honestly (:
Just here to comment that the Spirit Bug seems to have been implemented intentionally since they updated the description of her Power. I consider this an absolute Win.
Wait really?
i love how not even the devs seem to know whether the things that happen are bugs or intentional
@@ScottJund Or rather, they're almost admitting that some bugs make the game better than their own balance team.
If people like it, it's intentional, if not, it's a bug Kappa
I too feel that the devs are wrong and make bad decisions overall. However this was 100% a bug, but people really liked it as a gameplay feature. McLean even did a poll on his stream and people would go there just to ask for it to stay. I think that players are being too harsh now. Let's be happy that they listened and that this is a good feature now, even if it started unintentionally
I actually followed Scott's advice about not being offended when Survs are doing their objectives well, and I extended that whenever I play Survivor. Whenever I go against a Pig, (a killer I personally main here and there) I try to take notes from them as they're chasing me so I can learn and maybe apply that style to my games.
Personally, I think that DBD can be a less toxic place (not saying it'll be toxic-free, let's be realistic here) if players viewed every match as a learning experience for playing both sides, taking notes about possible strats and just acknowledging when you got outplayed or made a mistake then chalk it up to fix next game.
That's a great attitude for life in general. That's called wisdom. and you have it. Not everyone does.
This video was both highly entertaining and most of all, incredibly informative!
Thanks and keep up the great content, Scott.
This video was something special. The match itself and end game chat both gave me goosebumps. Great stuff.
How I deal with bully Squads:
I don't...I just cry :'(
1:34 "How to deal with this emotionally" A youtube game guide tutorial video that includes a quickie therapy session.
This is only the second video I watch of you in a year. But love your vibe, chill ness and explanations. Look forward to watching more of your videos. :)
20:05 Out of curiosity, if these guys aren't considered "Sweaty," what is then? Because they all had super meta perks, we're a SWF in coms, coordinating adrenaline procs with coms, and pushed gens as optimally as they could. Can survivors not be considered sweaty in your opinion? Not trying to be antagonistic, I'm actually curious.
Sweaty to me is those who prioritize winning over having fun, simple as that. See: 4 man tourney squads playing matches against randoms and utterly stomping them with no bold plays, all split up, intentionally letting people die to enhance gen time, etc.
This is actually not sweaty at all if you compare it to what they could be doing. And they're not running all meta perks though? Are we looking at the same endgame screen? Stake out, inner strength, wglf, only 1 ds, 2 bts, bit of adrenalines and iw and then the dead hards/lithe. You can compare this to what scott is running, good perks in general - not a sweaty build. Sweat squad would have multiple ds + unbreakable and most likely more sprint bursts instead, also quite possibly one object to call out information to the rest, maybe even map offering. Possibly medkits instead of flashlights. Most importantly sweat squads play differently - these guys were clearly fearless and didn't care much about the killer, grouped up, let the killer hit them for free. If they were sweating they would have did the most efficient thing, just split up and did gens, instead you can see that they were messing around a lot. This just seemed like a pretty intense and enjoyable game, I'd really rather play against this than a real sweat squad or a team full of immersed players.
"Meta" perks don't make someone sweaty, they just so happen to be strong perks that are worth running over others. Just being in comms doesn't make you sweaty. Do you think that anyone who plays something like a BR and communicates with their friends is sweaty? Coordinating adren procs I also don't see as sweaty, that's just how you use adrenaline lmao. They definitely didn't do gens as optimally as possible though. That game took far too long and too many of them were close to each other too often for it to have been optimal.
he considers sweats those who can loop for so long and so like perfectly that hitting them will take a year,and then if they get hooked they wont even attempt to get them off the hook,theyll just turbo gens
Everyone ins this comment section is flaming you for that comment, but like I literally said the exact same thing you did when he said they weren't sweaty. I completely agree with you and these kind of teams make you want to delete the game and never even bother with it again. Games should be fun, not stress-inducing.
Couple quick asides:
- Polite chat, nice to see player complimenting each other sometimes. 😄
- The highest scoring player was the survivor with 40,654. That's a lot of Blight generator points! Even if he had died he still might have outscored Scott's "perfect" 32k.
That’s actually the We’re gonna live forever perk
@@britishpotato1019 No, We're Gonna Live Forever adds to points outside of the trial like BBQ and Chili or standard bloodpoint offerings. (If these perks added to the scores then you'd see scores of like 60k)
@@Bodyknock I think it's the archive challengea for the petals, I got 58k one match from it
Actually, the survivor was guaranteed to have more than 32K score. He's not obsession, so he'd only get 5K from escaping, and MAYBE 1250 BP for opening gate, assuming he didn't have max objective before that.
@@jamescarrotcsl8 Yeah probably a combo of the blight petals and the blight generators. All the event points let you exceed 32k.
The best way to deal with "bully squads" is to dont panic and take advantage of how cocky they are. Also even though they are probably going to talk shit at the end, you are the killer,use whatever tactics necessary to win
thanks Scott! From time to time I get frustrated and I just think I'm not good at the game (despite playing since 2016), but watching this video has made me realise that everyone goes through that once in a while.
Loved the video Scott, would love it if you could do more of these. I get bullied hard so often nowadays lol, great to see some tips we can take away to become better. Thanks again
The only times I ever feel like I’m being bullied is a large amount of unnecessary teabagging, like they waste time because they know you are bad and can make major mistakes in your face and get away with it
3 man Russian SWF: *bullies killer*
Me: *urban evading across the map*
This was the first dbd video I ever watched. This was the vid that got me into the game. And I don’t regret it.
Another thing to remember: Most killer players will only have a few hundred hours played. The game is a 1 v 4, so if one of the survivors happens to be a god with 5k hours it's normal that you lose. Would you get tilted if Lebron James owned you at basketball?
I'd be pretty tilted that I got put in a match with lebron in the first place.
@@ryanplzz i agree
Thats why I cant play without checking steam profiles ;(
Also it includes survivors, but no so often...
You’re not supposed to chase that guy though. Just get the worst player out of the game first
I think I would still get a little frustrated that a professional player takes on amateurs who just play for fun, but what can ya do, ya know?
I just got worked by some survivors, so I took a break hopped on youtube and this is the first vid I see lol. Thanks
"You can hear in my voice I was getting frustrate" Yeah and 75+ % of my games on EU rank 1 are like this.
In PS4 europe you get squads like this after hitting killer rank 10. There are so much bullysquads that most killers have given up so green killers play mostly against red/purple
@@MisterRagdoll I went against rank 5s swf at killer rank 16...
@@antviper135 man, that is rough. Learning moonwalk and proxy camp are effective but you're in for trial by fire.
@@CoffeeSipper555 sadly best way to win is be total scum. You can manage gen rush in 1vs3 but proxy camping isn't fun.
@@MisterRagdoll I know to moonwalk. I'm talking about sabotaging 2 hooks near me during a pick up, everyone with DS, and body blocking hooks every time.😂
I love the way you call out your own mistakes. Always learning.
That game was one of the best I have had in a long time! gg again Scott :)
I remember dealing with a bully squad in Macmillan with Ghosty Boi, against the clicky click of flashlights and teabags galore I held my ground and slowly took them out one by one till the final 2 lay at my feet in a bloody mess, it sucks when you go against 'em, but the taste of victory is rarely sweeter when you win.
I legit wanna jump of a building because of survivors
ngl all day been dealing with toxic survivors who go out their way to bm an toxic to me so i needed a vid like this.
I think you've just outdone yourself with this video and become my new favorite go-to streamer for getting better at DbD instead of Otz.
Don’t even play Dead by Daylight but this analysis is very well done. Good job Scott, good to see you’re doing well!
It's funny how killers get offended from survivors that have played the gane for over thousands of hours not cowering in fear from just their presence. You want people to be scared of you while playing killer? Give them a reason to fear you. Don't assune that the moment you select the play killer option that you will become a monster feared by all. You are just a person and the people who are experienced know that you are just a person so they may not be scared nk matter what they do.
exactly
once a game becomes pvp it loses the ability to become truly scary
It's not a matter of the players being scared like, in terror. But they should be mechanically intimidated. They should be at a greater disadvantage in open conflict with the killer than this game demonstrates them to be.
@@Noname72105 still even in your own words. survivors still need a reason to be intimidated. They're not gonne be intimidated by every single fuddy duddy killer that comes along. Not every killer was created equal as we all know some are far stronger than the others and those are the ones that even some of the best survivors are intimidated by. I myself am intimidared by a good nurse or spirit same with a good billy. But if the killer player isn't good at all i won't be scared at all. Thus it brings be back to a killer having to earn their inimidation factor from survivors who have likely seen every many times over
@@Noname72105 the potential for 1v1 situations are in the game because the killer could choose to just tunnel one person to death really easy otherwise. and if it wasn't possible for a survivor run a killer the whole match every killer would just tunnel 1 survivor really quickly which wluld mske killer way too easy cause facing 3 survivors compared 4 is way easier
I never really found this to be "bullying," just an aggressive way to play.
I would consider a "bully squad" as more like all flashlights and actively ignoring the objective to chase down and fuck with the killer.
Hey dude, you’ve quickly become one of my favorite RUclipsrs to watch. You do an awesome job on a very consistent basis. I hope you read this. Thank you!
Damn you hit the nail on the head by pointing out that what a lot of people consider “bullying” is just survivors not being scared anymore. I’ve seen people playing killer that say shit like “he’s doing that gen right in my face that’s so disrespectful” and get tilted about it.
When I’m survivor I don’t get teams like this
Ok so, I think I’m the only one in the community that knows of this bug/buff, but lauries perk “sole survivor” got a buffbug. If a survivor escapes, you get a working token towards it. It’s not a big buff, but for end game it’s op.
How is it op?
@@curtissweeney5211 its not lol . Specially since the only aura perk most killers use only activates past 40 meters anyways
Yeah, it's definitely not OP. I never thought of this type of buff, but it would be a great addition to Sole Survivor, and I think they should keep it (like the Spirit bug). Might finally make the perk somewhat decent.
Isnt that the point of it?
@@blueboy1958 no no no, it’s supposed to only activate when a survivor(that’s not you) dies.
scott: so make sure you're watching out for... *proceeds to list 30 things you have to play around all at once when facing a coordinated group*
me: ya, i'll just do that, that seems fair.
very good vid man, i really get why this match made a good case study cuz damn
Really good vid Scott me being kinda new to killer this is helpful especially for Jew killer players matches like these are very frustrating and makes u not wanna play nomore
I got in a match as blight with a bully squad who was streaming on twitch who all brought the stuff to seperate hooks and shit to sabo so I slugged them all and killed them then had their viewers message me shit saying I'm toxic.
@@groque1654 its not just survivors who are entitled
@@curtissweeney5211 I'd rather deal w/ 1 toxic killer, rather than 4 toxic survivors, just saying.
@@pbacon95 ur profile picture scared the shit out of me.
@@pbacon95 I dunno man. It’s kind of shitty when I’m in solo queue when a killer tunnels me and Mori’s me off of first hook. While I find the rest of my team all crouching around the map.
@@chronic5480 Yea that sucks but you can queue up another game after that.
A killer has to eat shit the entire game if they're outmatched.
Maybe semantics to some, but atleast for me I disagree strongly on your depiction on bully squad.
Sweaty squad is a SWF which optimizes and coordinates everything and can be bold as mentioned to benefit the team. They can coordinate tactics and items that can be unfun for killer, but they're only picked to tip the odds more for in their favor.
Bully squad first and foremost objective is to ruin killers experience, everythings is secondary, even winning. Manifested in teabags, clicking, all kinds of other obnoxious behaviors such as spamming vault to spam the explosions for killers or run double OoO jus to point the killer.
While sweaty squad is not inherently bad on moral level, it can still be awful to go against.
Bully squad as name implies is just getting the kicks from malice actions and such should be clearly disinguished from the normals swf's and should be heavily frowned upon.
This I agree with. This team was good but they were also friendly in end game. Bully squads are literally only satisfied with making the killer tilted. This kind of stuff makes me quit the game for months at a time only to try again and repeat the process
You dont know also how these guy would react if they stomped someone. But yea, I agree, this wasnt bully squad, just good survivors.
THIS. Bully squads well... bully people. Like a toxic Killer who camps, tunnels, hits on hook, call people trash, etc. A Bully Squad click, tbeag, point, run full sabo squads, bring Killers to Ormond, call people trash, etc.
I strongly agree I wish more people would note the difference. I'm a sweaty as killer, so I deserve sweaty ass survivors, but I hate going against people who try even harder to win not because they are sweaty but because they're awful people and winning really is secondary to them and they have a shit attitude.
FAX. This shit is the reason why if you’re just a good survivor who has lots of hours and is “sweaty” but isn’t necessarily trying to ruin the killer’s experience/gameplay, you’re considered a “toxic entitled survivor main”
I decided to swap mains from Michael to Oni at rank 7 and spent all weekend facing these kinda teams. This helped a lot! Thanks!
youre very rational about this and i appreciate it. i often go full "game sux", "holy shit theyre playing way above my rank"; and other shit
the chat afterwards between you all was so wholesome
Funny how this is just a "bully squad" and I had a killer calling us sweaty SWF when we were all random solo without a single meta perk, no BT, no DS, no DH, no nothing, he tunneled all 4 of us to death with still 2 gens up. I said killers like him make DS mandatory, and you know what he replied? "Sweaty SWF getting tunneled, sorry not sorry" lmao.
Sometimes I don't even know what to say to those killers. They want DS gone, but when we don't use DS, they just tunnel the shit out of your existence and think it's perfectly fine
imagine tunneling all 4 of us at once smh just dont chase us
@@sixtuna1911 when I say campers and tunnelers, I mean literally campers and tunnelers, they ignore everything else, just want you dead. A real tunnelers wouldn't chase all 4 of you, he will kill whoever the first hook is, no matter if there are 3 free hits in front of him, he will ensure the first one die, then go on the 2nd and so on. Sometimes they bring a mori to make it ez win, game literally ends in 2 min with 4k 5 gen and no BP for anyone.
@@Pika-ck7ww Who cares about BP? If you end the game quickly you can just as quickly pop into the next one. I am not against tunneling, as sometimes it's the most effective tactic as killer against organized teams, but I wouldn't complain about DS either, at least as long as it's used for it's purpose. The problem is that it's often not used like that, but in an aggressive way, like that Felix repairing in front of him in the shack. DS used defensively is fair, but the aggressive component is not at all. As a start, they should at least remove the fact that there can be more than 1 DS active at any time, since you can't be possibly tunneling 2 people at the same time.
@@Pika-ck7ww like survivors dont waste time, 99ing the faucking gate
searching for the killer
and god beware if you stay still as killer
they would play that match for 5 hours
id rather speedrun that fucking game and get 3 bp per match then fucking survivors trying to waste time like the degenerates they all are
@@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag I care about BP, i use offerings to get BP, each match takes ages to get started, i'd rather get BPs than rushing a game just to jump to the next. what do you even get from rushing the game anyway, just like gen rushers, not fun at all
I play survivor more then killer because I always get hardcore bullied and gen rushed, if I focus on slowing gen progress they get away but when I focus on downing survivors more then I get gen rushed. It’s irritating af I’m not really a great killer tho. Any tips?
It's funny coming back and seeing a short Blight.
One thing I respect about Scott is how he'll never rely on the usual excuses that other killers make. Most killers would call these survivors "sweaty," "tryhards," etc. but Scott just calls them good players.
They somehow broke the "wake up" animation lmao
Ik I get so confused
Sweet Rocko's Modern Life jumper 😄 great video bud
Great video, Scott. I'm not in red ranks so instead of the actually bully survivors I just get these tryhard wannabes who will stay in your face the whole game, thinking that they're being amazing by wasting their time saving each other with flashlights and or unhooking someone just as you turn away from the hook instead of doing gens. And then, when they inevitably lose, they'll call you a camper, tunneler, slugger and anything else that comes to their mind.
No small pp build and they were nice in the post-game chat. We need more "bully" squads like this, they were actually nice, which is pretty based.
This match really shows how strong the new WGLF is on SWF. Unbreakable already is a strong anti-slug perk that can make you lose games just because one person picked themself up, but with WGLF, and with fearless survivors like that, you don't even have a chance to get multiple people on the ground at once, since if you slug someone, the 2 other survivors will probably immediately go pick the other person up as you chase someone else.
I remember I had a game where a survivor was down and me and my friends literally pick the down survivor in 3 or 4 seconds it insane they should nerf it a bit honestly
Yeah as soon as it hit the PTB I combined it with botany knowledge and desperate measures and a medkit. You can pick someone up in like 8 seconds. It’s really funny to watch. It’s honestly like playing against a no mither. You can’t really slug.
Atleast thats 4 survivors not doing anything in order to get a slug. No gens getting done
If the slugged survivor had unbreakable the last 2 would be doing gens, while the slug gets themselves
you actually did really well in this match, especially with the 3k against this team, don't be so hard on yourself for letting one person go. I had a lot of fun watching the game and appreciate the advice though ☺️
getting teabagged and being bodyblocked always pisses me off to the point that my hands are shaking
it annoys when they body block at the gates
@@christopherjabat3136 well they don't want their teammates to die
@Nate Higgers Yepp, and killers can body block too. I always sit at a window for an extra second after walking through during a chase to prevent a loop around. Body blocks go both waya.
moral of the story: noed will still be a "overpowered perk" when playing with these apes.
scott, buddy, you got 32K points with 3 kills and 11-10 hooks. literately just shy of a perfect victory and the last guy made it out by the skin of his teeth. That's a clear victory in my book. Focusing on just getting the 4k is just not enough for me and isn't as challenging overall.
my personal draw or tie conditions for killer are as follows.
1.getting roughly equal amount of BP the collective average of the survivors BP.
2.get 2 kills.
3.get to at least a safety pip (even if I am already rank 1).
for Survivor it is as follows.
1.having 2 survivors escape. (myself escaping is a bonus)
2. having higher average blood points collectively as a team compared to the killer.
3. getting at least a safety pip.
anything less for me than these requirements is a loss. additionally, getting 2/3 of the requirements for killer or Survivors counts as victory. I feel like this is as close to the wins conditions that the devs "intended" for dbd and is why I chose to use these requirements tp judge my gameplay.
He always says since theres no win condition in this game that winning can be whatever anyone wants it to be. Thats why if you watch his stream and theres a match where he may only get one kill his chat will say, “You got 4 stacks of bbq so you win.” I think he sets his win condition so high simply because he knows he has a lot of hours and will play better than most survivors he goes against.
32k isnt the cap during this event...
@@toasterlul but Scott also didn't go for any event hooks. So it's still a perfect game.
BTW, will you be continuing the video series where you take suggestions on changes/new features from your comment section and discussing them? they where great even tho you only did 2 of them
I gotta ask, how do you make discussion videos like this? Do you make a script? How many takes does it usually take you?
i just wing it, hence my occasional rants that have no real end point
@@ScottJund Alright. You do really well considering it's all off the bat. Thanks!
Got into a game on the m e a t plant the other day, me and my friend found lit totems on the opposite side of the map from one another and as soon as we touched them the killer dced....it was ruin and undying lmao
It removes the need to kick gens and with gen tapping, kicks without pop does next to nothing.
The problem that you and Jen didn't seem to address during that game on stream is that these survivors are aggressive as hell because they can; because of their perks and not their skill. If you weren't one of the top 4 or so killers like you were (specifically if you weren't a very mobile killer like you were), you would have gotten stomped and there would have been NOTHING you could have done about it. That's the problem people complain about. These types of survivors abuse every second chance perk they have to almost become un-counterable. Even as Blight, if they didn't underestimate you like they did several times, you would have still lost. They just made too many mistakes, some being really bad, like not seeing pallets right in front of them, etc. If they were better survivors, no chance.
Now play against them as mid-tier killers, wraith or ghostface, or bubba, etc. You would have been utterly destroyed with no chance. That's what's bullshit, and they know it's bullshit, so really, they are trying to bully, they are trying to take advantage of their immunity perks. You can't tunnel them, you can't slug them (WGLF basically a better and reusable unbreakable now), you can't camp them, and you can't even do anything about them doing gens in your face after being unhooked. Hell, you can't even properly chase them because every time they finally make a mistake, they just get away Scott free (pun intended) with Dead Hard and extend the chase by 50% while the other 3 are pushing gens while injured.
And I won't even get into their coordination, because that's honestly the part that makes it work as well as it does.
TL;DR you wouldn't be making this video if you played against them as pretty much any other killer except maybe nurse. Even spirit does not have the map pressure to handle this type of group.
its not black and white like that. if you give 4 green rank survivors ds, bt, ub, and dh theyll get stomped by any red rank killer no matter who theyre playing. you can win in this game without meta killers, the only time you cant is if youre against a top1% death squad who only do gens.
I understand the mindset but I don't agree fully. If I were a worse player. I could use something like Ruin Undying / Mori to make up for it and still have the same result. In a way, addons, perks, and offerings are like a "difficulty select."
@@ScottJund Scott Jund is the mind of being gud.
@@ScottJund survivor is already easy mode. If you understand tiles and How to chain then you can loop without using pallets for 5 minutes. Add Second chances makes the game boring, you Will always escape so there is no fear or high Adrenaline moments. I use "no mither" as survivor, any mistake and Im dead, its rewards me for not making mistakes, It feels more Fun than making the killer Camp me after 5 gen chases only to be escape anyway by BT/DS
@@Insanity-vv9nn im sorry that is complete bullshit. there is not a single scenario in which a survivor can loop me without pallets for more than even a single minute, much less 5.
For me the most interesting thing is how the entire match pretty much takes place in just two different zones.
The first frame of this video is amazing
Such a simple thing, but when you transition from talking into the gameplay that added so much wtf. Even simplest video editing is art.
Thanks 4 video
scott talking to scott love it
Is there any other way to play survivor? When I play rank 1s I know it and they work around it.
Nobody: killers when they go against survivors there own skill level
I disagree on this being a "Bully Squad" honestly. This felt more like an somewhat optimal squad. Biggest sign of a Bully Squad is excessive teabagging and trash talk, neither of which they did.
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But that's also a sign of no fear, teabagging does nothing when you don't let it get to you and trash talking is only post game. Scott chose "Bully squad" in the right way since the most "bullying" they can do is play optimal.
@@nodusman6445 Again, playing optimally is not bullying, that's just an somewhat optimal SWF. This isn't really a bully squad, just a squad trying to win and not caring much about going down because they have faith. And that's a terrible argument for teabagging. Just because it didn't get to you, doesn't mean it didn't happen with an intent to get to you.
@@nodusman6445 you're an idiot
serious Jesse Eisenburg vibes 😭😭 now time to binge watch you
I've found that if you are getting gen rushed, slugging works best. Because if you try to hook one or two survivers immediately, their teammates will pump out gens. You gotta give the survivors a choice: do the gens, or save your teammates. The ideal scenario would be: you slug one survivor, then slug another. After you get the second guy, go back and hook the first guy. Chances are there will be someone attempting to pick them up. If you can get a free hit, do it, but don't commit to the third guy. You get the hook, then go back to the slugged survivor. At this point you can snowball your way to victory! Just remember: you have to give them a reason to get off gens, but don't feel bad if you need to sacrifice a gen for the sake of map pressure.
I just go full meme/ape shit when I see this because I know that I wont win (only at the end of games tho)
If they're trying to bully, take advantage of it. Usually against bully squads in my experience, they'll be two or 3 survivors trying to mess with me while the last one sticks on gens all game, don't commit to chases too long, get a pallet or two out of someone and rotate. If you don't get a pallet or a hit in 15 seconds of chase, you most likely did something wrong.
I only play Ghostface although I have started to play a lot of Legion lately as well so I deal with squads like this all the time. Not "Death" squads but bully squads who try to make me suffer as much as possible since I'm playing mid tier and under killers. If you have to force someone to second stage, do it. If you want to slug, do it. Don't try to play nicely at all. If they're gonna ruin my fun, I'll play the same game but most of all don't get tilted. That's what they want. If it's a bad map for killer like Ormond or Cowshed aim to get 2 of them because at the end of the day, getting two of them on unfavourable maps while they run every second chance perk available is perfectly okay and don't give them any attention in post game chat. Just say gg and leave.
Factsss
I'm a main killer and I get this kind of survis a lot. At the start didn't feel great but I started playing private games with the friends that introduce me to it and I changed my point of view. They like interacting with the killer, loops, pallet stuns and volts are the only way they can have fun and playing kind of riscky is the way to get chases. Even when I play surv I don't want to hide and do 2 gens in a row, I want to play the game, use my brain and have fun. Getting that window volt just as the killer lunges and scaping by an inch, dodgeing deathslingers shot or mindgaming a spirit feels great, pressing space once in a while not so much
How does the perk wglfe work? It can probably explain a few of my games
Late reply, but it allows you to heal a survivor 100% faster when they are on the ground so they were healing at 200% the normal speed when two have it and are healing together.
“What a fun game” yea like always, says the guy who escaped. But when they get killed...
But Scott, I'm still going to post a comment about how my situation is worse than this one and how all survivors i go against are 4 man toxic survivor main 1 man swf squads that bully me despite me being the best killer main EU in my building block so I use an ebony mori and prayer beads iridescent head spirit every game and refuse to play anything else otherwise, and my victory using those things means I am a hero and brave killer main against these vicious evil survivor 1 man swf squads
*and then I dc and then get spun anyways. In that order.*
Nailed it 😂
I figured I would find a real comment like this not a joke one. Are times changing?
They definitely are
Good vid man. Very nice level handedness
What do we need to do against survivors that do crazy movement jukes and messing with our camera view deadzones?
Hey, look, 2 console players! I always love to see my fellow console players giving a good fight. It proves that this game is less mechanical skill and more game sense.
I love when PC players group all console players into the trash category as if there isn’t a top 1% on both platforms. I play with my PC buds all the time and it’s a blast, we’re all pretty equal skill wise but I tend to get myself killed for the memes lol
tbh tho i solo Q survivor ALOT, and after crossplay, i have seen some of the DUMBEST shit ever in solo Q (and that is saying something) come from console players. when i see console players i do not expect much from them because that is my experience, the odds of a GOOD console player is like finding a bamboozle nurse. the odds of finding a GOOD pc player is like getting haddonfield with no offerings. also i have noticed CONSOLE killers tend to camp/hard tunnel more often than PC killers
@@steeldragon5730 I play wow on a pc right? If I could play it on console it wouldent change shit. Same with dbd. A mouse is the only big difference
There really isnt much difference between console survivor and PC survivor. Killer is a different story IMO
@@ScottJund Your right about that. Analog sticks are very restricting compared to mouse and keyboard. I always found the “who’s better “arguement is really stupid. Who gives a shit were all playing the same game
I don't care about the bully squad dude those are free 4ks. I want to know how to beat the gen splitters that give me 4 minute games.
barely anyone does that though because its extremely boring. there's no justifiable reason to repeatedly play like that just like there's no reason to justifiably play as Nurse with Ebony Mori every game. it just gets stale.
@@ScottJund I felt so bad. A rank 19 myers brought a shroud of separation and I thought it was a mori. We did the gens in 3mins 28s and he didn't even get a hit.
@@justmonika2345 I know. Bringing a shroud of separation as killer is a death sentence.
@@DVRX17 Hahaha Reddit Moment Funny
@@DVRX17 begone redditor
I don't even play dbd, but I still love the content you make, keep scootin
So I recently had a game where all survivors had dead hard, bt and decisive strike like how many chances do you guys need???
Bully squads for killer mains are survivors who do gens and don’t die instantly lool
Bully Squad? They had three we are gonna live forever and there werent any ds+unbreakables, they are just a normal swf like you meet every game
Hey Scott, on the subject of the difference between a confident team perceived as being toxic and an actual toxic swf, I'd be curious whether you'd agree a team I went against was toxic.
In my opinion they were, and even though I came out on top and repaid the toxicity in kind, I was certainly tilted in a lot of misjudgements in my plays.
If you do want to check it out, it's on my channel in my last few videos called "toxic swf bully fail".
imma take me moment to follow on Twitch, hoping to take some notes on Blight
been having a real good time learning him, and your guide was a hand on the wheel