Cast Speed is BROKEN - How to Cast Spells Instantly - Cast Reduction & Dex Explained - Elden Ring!
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While yes the hard cap on casting speed from Dex is 70, I went to 99 to really prove the point and have the best comparisons for you guys. Should have mentioned it though!
Lol i was just about to comment the 70 thing lol nvm now hahaha
Will weapon arts also get their casting time reduced?
WOW THANK YOU, sorry I was just so excited. Because you are right spells initial phase 1 is the same so I felt like the talisman etc did nothing for me and ya some spells dont change at all like you said. You are a legend!
@@z7trapsz782 he said no in the video man pay attention. He says the bigger and slower and more dmg a spell does the less its affected by casting increases. Also weapon arts are not sorceries so no, he also said incantation aren't affected by dex
This man spends hours testing to give us knowedlge
What about using your azure staff in your offhand?
Not only is 8% casting speed helpful because you do more dps, but in certain fights, casting 8% faster can mean you actually get to cast the spell instead of getting hit and not casting the spell.
That's actually a really good point. I never thought of that!
And for dodging away after you've cast.
Or just poise through it
State the obvious
@@Tom-gt8yv its clearly not obvious.
nice video, in addition to the casting speed gained from DEX, Weapon and Talisman, there is actually another way to increases the casting speed dramatically. There are 3 spells, which has in their description "can be performed without delay after another action", they are night shard, swift glintstone shard and Carian Slicer. In fact these 3 spells can be used as the first action and combo with other spells that allows you to either rapidly cast like the Adula's Moonblade, Glintstone Arc etc. Casting those Spell directly after like swift glintstone shard will skip the prepairing time of the followed spell and let it start directly at second combo position, as if you have already casted it before and doing a flow combo.
This also works with Incantations when using Catch Flame! The number of skips you can do is less though, I’ve only got it to work so far with Magma Breath and Black Blade. However with Magma Breath, if you cast Catch Flame twice OR roll-cast OR sprint cast THEN cast Magma Breath, you skip the ENTIRE dragon head and immediately fire the magma
@@tyrusdalet yep, but the catch flame can completely cancle the whole casting animation as you mentioned, this is more likely a bug as the magma fired in that way only has the hitting range as same as catch flame. The other way to cancle incantations is to use beastial sling, which can also skip prepartion but will not cause the same issue as catch flame.
@@tsukuyomu2313 i found a fun one with double casting Honed Bolt into Black Blade. Works exactly the same, but you don’t jump into the air… but your back does break *a little*
I use the slicer and troll knights great sword, th slicer takes people off guard when they try to punish you, and with int build it does insane damage
Wish it worked with ashes of war or could combo into ash of war off of it like darkmoon blades special
A little bit of counterintuitive math here from a math teacher. You're not actually experiencing diminishing returns with a multiplicative reduction. Your damage per second actually goes up more with each successive reduction. In this particular case, it goes from roughly an 8% increase in damage to roughly a 17% increase in damage or the second reduction increases DPS by 9% instead of 8%. Think of it this way with easier numbers, let's say we have a 50% reduction in cast time, we would get twice as many casts. So if our first shot did a hundred a 50% reduction would up our damage to 200. If we reduce that 50% another 50% so we are down to 25%, we can actually cast four times in the same amount of time so instead of going from 100 to 200, we go from 100 to 400. That's a 300% increase instead of a 100% increase. So keep stacking as many things as you can find it's almost certainly worth it
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This was very helpful.
Now I can definitely set up my build properly.
Also looking forward to the talk on staffs.
Love the videos from y’all!
Really glad to be of help!
Best staff is lusat then the academy boss soul staff.
@@Plusimurfriend the rennala scepter?
@@Bacbi yes
Yeah, I now know to respec my character and take out the 15 points of dex and put it into other stats, because casting .0001% faster is useless
You can actually hold Azure's staff in your offhand while using Lusat's as your primary stafff for damage, and you will get the the extra cast speed but on Lusat's staff. It will however give the increased FP cost of both staffs
@TokyoWraith if it's in your equipment, does it still come with the extra fp cost demerit?
@@natemorrow4388 I believe so.
@TokyoWraith I just got finished testing this for staffs and I don't see any changes unless the staffs are in my main and off hand
Are you on pc or console they might have different bugs
@TokyoWraith but staff with increased gravity damage needs to be held in hand for extra damage, even if you use 2nd staff to launch spells
Wait what’s the point then? Does it give the bonus even if you can’t use Azur’s stave/ not enough int?
As a faith user and a fellow caster, I find that just the Icon alone makes spamming catch flame even more insane. Also it doesn’t seem to do much for the dragon spells so it seems to line up with your findings here. Happy casting fellow mages and priests!!
What about flame sling?
@@TheKupidonyx not much better then catch flame besides the black flame variant is infinitely better. unless you mean how it gets affected by the cast time then the black flame version sees an ok increase in speed. my guess is that flame sling is the same.
@@MysticYT925 yep i'm just starting, will replace flame sling by the black flame, tnnx
Definitely helps with the dragon spells, I found for my fight against the dragonlord without radagons icon I was casting rotton breath after walking out of his lightning and I wouldn't have enough time to get out of the follow up one but with the icon I was able to just get out of it in time.
@Ivelios Xilosient on top of dealing damage on hit like any other spell it also applies a damage over time effect that deals damage based on a % of the enemies max HP making it super good against bosses.
This is a great video talking about Cast Speeds! If I may be so bold, I'm actually working on a video myself on a certain interaction with Chain Casts that allow you to cast spells and cancel them MUCH faster then if you normally cast them. Would it be possible for you guys to take a look at that video when it's out and perhaps make your own? It's a very fun PvP tech and I want to see more people use it!
Ooo that is interesting, I'd love to see it!
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Gotta see this
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As a faith caster, I can say this is the same with incantations. We don’t get an azure staff, but having the Radagon Icon on with high Dex and using a lightning spear and not having it on, is very noticeable
You do get azur staff
I was just about to say lightning spear with and without is definitely noticeable
You do get an azur’s staff it’s called azur’s staff. Because guess what by just having it as a glorified walking stick in your off hand you get to have the buff on your incantations without having your spells costing more as well since the price increase only effects sorceries.
@tomsky4751 then i can't use double seals and get beeeeeg damage
The delayed Glintblade spell works extremely well with cast speed. You can charge it to the max very quickly with just Radagon. This spell is useful in many situations especially in PVP when you can trip up the opponents even more with speed cast, since they cannot predict the time the blade will fly out.
I spam this spell alot with input reading enemies
So in order to get to 10% faster casting speed, Use Radagon's Icon and get to about 25 or so Dexterity?
Correct. Over 20 Dex for sure, 25 to be sure.
But is that really worth it on a full blown mage build 🤔
@@SEANTHEMOST even more so, I’m playing with quite a bit of cast speed, the amount of times I thought I was dead (so many times) like literally frame perfect dodges, casting is way too slow not to invest, it will increase the success rate of your magic for sure
@@SEANTHEMOST To get that increased casting speed with just the Radagon's Icon and + 15 points into Dex to hit 25. Sure. Assuming you rolled a Wretch.
It also depends what spells your usually casting and of you're spamming them. The bigger spells don't benefit too much and some spells don't benefit at all.
Seems like the cast speed mechanics are still wonky , especially on greater spells. One would think dex and cast speed should have greater and more noticeable effect on spells that require longer wind up time.
because these spells tend to not be comboable, the cast time only applies to charging times, and so for the majority of the spell the damage isn't increased.
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Good to know that running 40 DEX and Radagon's Icon has me around a decent speed reduction
What about your INT though? 40 DEX is wicked high for a spellcaster.
i also run 40 dex with 70 int i use both katana and staff
@@Happyfoam-lw3yt
You can easily reach level 150 if you spent all of the Rememberance as well as duplicating them. Since you hardly ever going to use them anyway for a Mage. Most of the spells are... Unusable from the Rememberance as a Sorcerer except for Renalla.
@@Happyfoam-lw3yt Keep in mind. int/dex build is insanely strong for the moonveil. I run this build. And all my int spells are supported by it. Glint pebble for spamming at ranged or runners or keeping distance. Magic shield, which acts like barricade, but also increases magic res dramatically. Carion slicer for rapid upclose damage if you get the opportunity. carion greatsword is amazing for roll catching. And the rest of my damage is just with the katana, and moonveils special. For big damage if theirs an opening.
@@Asriel_Cypher I know, I'm level 150 and I pretty much only had enough levels to pump INT, VIT, and END. I only had enough levels left to meet the requirements for Moonlight, let alone 30 levels to pump into DEX.
Couldn’t find a good definitive test of this anywhere else. Phenomenal work and great explanation/demonstration, you got no idea how much time/frustration you saved.
Just the video I've been waiting for. This really explained a lot. It's really hard to notice just how much faster you're casting with these equips.
Just wanted to actually click on you’re video to tell you you spent 10 minutes saying the exact same thing over and over
I think another important aspect to explore on this subject is how casting speed affects being able to chain into melee attacks, jumping, and dodges
Also, from the game dev perspective, the cast speed is applied to the animation playing speed of certain animation clips. And frame rate will also play a role if we dive this deep with this level of precision, since the game core logical loop is not temporally continuous, most game logics only run once per frame.
Running azurs staff on my moonlight gs battlemage and it's really noticeable on all the sword spells I love it. But again I'm a more in your face mage not glass cannon mage.
The only thing I don't like about this game is that they went with Dex for casting speed once again. I liked Dark Souls 2 casting speed system which simply supported a full magic build. Being a caster shouldn't require being a ninja too.
The talisman and 20 dex gets you to right around the 10% sweet spot.
I'd totally shift some levels for 20 DEX. My only problem would be that I'd have to ditch Moonlight.
@@Happyfoam-lw3yt moonlight?
@@Kay_OC Moonlight Greatsword.
@@Kay_OC Maybe go for Moonveil katana or Sword of night and flame instead if going for a dex build.
@@MrFox101 that's actually what i currently run but transient moonlight is so much better than all of my spells there's no reason to use them so i might add the extra dex in this video
In the Dark Souls games the faster casting items just added "virtual dexterity" to your character, so they simply upped the dexterity for cast time calculations. That meant you didn't get any benefit from them once you hit the cap. Good to know that they actually still do something in this one.
The system in DS was way better though, here it seems like the devs were on crack when designing it. lol
This makes so much more sense to me now. I was working with spells the other day and wondering why Azur's Comet wasn't really affected by Azur's Glintstone Staff. I felt the speed increase for my smaller spells like Glinstone Arc and Beastial Sling but all of my larger ones felt almost like they didn't benefit at all.
Edit: Some of what I learned. You can bypass spell start up with the symbol by chaining other spells with the same symbol or chaining after a spell that has "can be cast without delay after an action". Night Shard can be cast without delay and let me bypass Glinstone Arc's start up. As long as I continued casting spells with the same symbols, the startup was always ignored. Beastial Sling also has "can be cast without delay after an action". In the case of beastial sling I bypassed the start up for Lightning Strike depite the two not sharing the same symbol. I also found, chaining Sorceries into Incantations and vice versa wasn't possible. Not effectively. Even using spells with "can be cast without delay after an action". I haven't tested chaining spells with "Allows 1 follow up action after" yet though so it might still be possible.
Final Note: Spells with "can be cast without delay after an action" can be cast in the air and while on Torrent's back at full sprint.
If speed doesn’t matter you can go for a strength, incantation build as their is a catalyst that scales off of strength and Faith and is nice and I’ve added some faith spells to my strength build and it helps
It's like a fighting game. Startup. Active frames. Recovery. Cast speed affects active frames and recovery, but startup remains unchanged which makes sense from a fairness perspective. Everyone gets the same amount of time to recognize the spell. But then it might come out WAY faster.
This also serves to make the sped up portion feel better and faster, because it's still being witnessed after the original startup.
My assumption would be that faster casting "weaker" spells that come out quicker have less startup frames and do the cast speed increase is noticeable for more of the total cast time
40 dex and a talisman should put you on max cast speed as the talisman increases virtual dex for spells by 30, so 70.
this is what i did on my first build .
I remember someone posted a video about dex and how much it affect casting speed and they showed that at it seems that around 70 is the hard cap or at least soft being when compared to 80 and 90 it was nearly identical and even then that could be just be bias expecting a different result and my mind making it up because of it granted it was in the beta but still something to keep in mind
No true caster build can afford dex above 20 while being between 120-150 lvl for pvp so it does not really matter.
This makes me feel good about using my samurai as a mage since I don’t want to start another class.
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When talking about speed increases and dps, stacking cast time reductions doesn’t get diminishing returns even though it’s multiplicative because the value of each percentage point of reduction increases exponentially as you approach zero.
For example, reducing time from 1 second to .5 seconds is a 100% dps increase. But then you only need to go down another .16666 seconds to get another 100% dps, then go down another .083 seconds to get another 100% dps.
Using multiplicative stacking, instead of adding all sources and then multiplying, is done to compensate for that exponential increase in value, so that you get a flat dps increase.
The diminishing returns comes from the cast animation that isnt shortened, since its only the startup that gets reduced. if a 2 second spell is 50% start up and 50% animation, reducing the cast time by 50% would reduce it to 1.5 seconds (assumidly, unless the reduction is based on the entire spell but only applied to the startup)
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The reason for different casting speeds is because the charge time of Lorettas greatbow is not affected by casting speed, that's all
Great vid! Have you started a list on which sorceries are the "most affected" by cast speed? Hm? Hm? Hm? Have you? Have you? Have you?
There's a 3rd aspect of spell casting. Channeling speed, so for example meteors, Lazer beam will tick faster, generate rocks faster etc. Also, it might be tough to justify the talisman slot, (grave mass, equip load, charge dmg, scar seal) so thats 4. In that case the cast speed staff is very useful.
Graven-mass. Graven-school. Charge damage. Casting speed.
@@AngelosRitter Graven school only provides a 4% increase. So not the most impactful thing, but yes graven mass is double at 8 and charge dmg is closer to 15 so those two are mandatory. Beyond that I like the massive equip load increase and the 12 free skill points but thats my preference.
@@AngelosRitter you could also use the magic scorpion charm it increases magic damage by 12%
@@Es_. It's missable but this is good advice if people have it
@@AngelosRitter I don't think you can stack Graven mass and school.
I have 2 characters and I always find lots of PVP at 120 but not that much at 150, not outside of the hot PVP areas at least.
Have you thought that instead of % reduction that cast speed is reduced in raw milliseconds? This would explain why the weaker spells that already cast quickly are affected more by cast speed
Kind of what I was wondering
That would be hilariously stupid design, so it's very plausible.
Now that I'm seeing it in slow motion, magical bow looks pretty epic, haha
Sweet jesus just give me the data and spare me the bad humor
For the staff I have compared some of them. Not counting the Prince of death staff (which scale with int and faith and it suck if you divide the stat for both i.e. only good when you have both int and faith at ridiculously high level that you no longer be able to PVP or you can but have no HP/FP/Stamina), for 80 int
1. Lusat Staff 413 magic- the best but not really worth it because you have the second
2. Relana Staff 373 - this one is the one, it only lose to Lusat about 10% damage but you don't pay 25% extra FP cost so it is more effective. I am not sure what "boosting all sorcery" supposed to be but it is not really effecting much. Only the magic stat that is the factor here
3. Crystal Staff 367- This one lose to Relana about a few percent but you don't have to use her rememberance for that (however I don't think you want full moon when dark moon is straight up better). This boost crystal spell but most of them suck for the Damge/FP ratio so it is almost non-relevant. but if you use crystal spell like crystal soulstreams it is the one
4. Azure Staff 362- This doesn't scale that well and you pay FP cost.
5. Carian Staff 329 - It is close enough to to azure and crystal (losing 10% dmg), and it boost carian spell (and you can use it on off hand with other staff and still get the boost)
Other staves I have no interest much since they already have worse scaling at the beginning.
Wish it had the same kind of affect on incantations honestly
having the radagon icon is the difference between adula's blade flinch-locking enemies and not
Do you happen to know if this applies to ash of war cast time in any way? And if not, does anything affect it?
Sadly not, Ash of War time is fixed as far as we know.
@@RageGamingVideos dang, was really hoping i could make hoarfrost spam even more busted. Thanks for the reply
As an extension of this I was wondering if it effects the unique skills like on the sword of night and flame as the weapon description seems to suggest they are spells of some kind? Any help would be appreciated as I can't find any info on this
The more you look into the game the more you realise that its not that great afterall like wtf why?
For me, I found the Graven-School Talisman so much sooner than the Radagon Icon, but I tested both talismans on the vulgar militia in the Caelid region. I went with the metric of time to kill and found at my level that the Radagon icon was almost 2 seconds faster
I use the graven Mass talisman and the Radigon Icon together, Works great
I really appreciated this video!
Little confused here about the recommended 10% casting speed sweet spot. Since if the talisman + staff = about 8% each but 14% together. Then with dex at 48 being 10% why would you factor in 48 dex + talisman at that point? Wouldn't that make the 48 dex + Talisman = around 15-16%? So in that case without running the numbers my guess is just for the 2% increase from dex with the talisman to get 10% wouldn't at most about 20-25 dex be enough?
Great vid and info overall though
this guy is smart as heck.
Yes 20 dex is enough
Not just that, but also since there are three separate factors: dex, radagon and the staff that can affect the speed. We still don't know which of the three will be held as the base for the percentage reduction. Because there are 2 scenarios. One being the best where the game takes and puts in the 10 or 20% raw speed reduction and then based on that diminished number , apply radagon and the staff. The last two' order doesn't matter.
The second one , which is the worst case scenario is if the game takes either one of the staff or radagon as base to reduce the 8% percentage from, and then reduce it by another 8% based on that diminished number, and that finally using the 20% on that 14%. which will make the dex buff almost negligible.
Get anywhere between 20-40 dex up to preference (no more than 40) and Icon.
Icon is fake 30 dex in terms of cast speed, Staff is 40 dex worth of it.
It seems to me like almost every individual spell is affected differently by cast speed. Try out Bestial Sling, Beast Claw and Stone of Gurranq for example, the cast speed increase between 10 dex with nothing and 40 dex + Radagon Icon is MASSIVE. To the point that it turns Beast Claw from borderline unuseable into a quite decent combo tool from Bestial Sling. And chain casting Stone of Gurranq makes you feel like a tennis ball cannon. I almost feel like the Clawmark Seal should've scaled with Dex instead of Str and I'm almost certain the Dex cast speed increase for bestial incants is the reason that both Cinqueda and the Beastclaw Greathammer have decent Dex scaling.
I love the way it was done. My thought process sees it as ranged big bang attacks always take hugh commitment. This is balance for any PVP. Which is fine, it is also the inverse of the damage calculations typically used.
Radagon Icon gets u 30 Dexterity in terms of spell casting speed
When using Azur’s staff in the left hand, does it buff spell-cast speed in your right hand, or does it have to be the other way around?
Oh! Good call! That's how White Branch Staff or whatever it's called worked in DS3
I obviously don't know the answer, but my money is on "no". Azure Staff has a downside of increased FP consumption, so... I reckon, it only works if you cast with it
But in case it actually works this way... Would that mean Azure Staff and "increased damage" staff stack?
Yes it does, the right hand staff gets the buff
@@usercreated894 is it just passive or if the Azur is in my off hand it has to be upgraded also to get max casting speed or just equip and im good? Thinking about putting Lustat in my Main
@@ECS352 you can just equip it, no need to upgrade it. If you want max cast speed get the Radagon icon talisman, it increases cast speed as much as the Azur staff does
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General rule for you fellow Tarnishers.... I just hit level 204 in my NG first run ( Only killed 4 Demi-Gods so far , so i did a spare time on Boosting my character ). Generally what you want to do as a Mage Build , me personally i was a Mage Build untill exactly level 180... And my Tips are :
1- Dont use Azur's Staff its Pointless ( You are Likely to loose Damage for just a mere Casting speed and the 25% Extra FP Cost is Bullocks its meaningless literally ). What you should do is Carian Regal Scepter untill you get a Massive FP Pool ratio later on , in which where Lusat's staff gets Handy for Better damage which is Worth it later on on the Long-Run. ( Basically any character Level 200+ use Lusat's Staff so long as your Mind is atleast 40+ ).
2- This is the most important Part here... ( Stick Radagons Icon in a Talisman Slot untill you Hit up a very High Level Cap of 180+ *Which is atleast 48 Dexterity* , in doing so your Dex at 48 exactly its already a Natural 10% Casting Speed which then later you Could/Can Sacrifice Radagon's Icon since at this Point your pretty much a Dex/INT Hybrid Class like what i'm doing ). Taking Radagon's Icon out is not a big Lose , since its just a 8% Cast Speed compared to the 10% Cast Speed from the 48 Dex Attribute.... This means you Sacrifice Radagon's Icon Slot for the Mass Graven Talisman of a 8% Sorcery Damage Increase. ( With Carian Regal Scepter at +10 you should be Hitting as Hard as Lusat's Staff +10 within the Same Casting Speed at Dex 48 ). This also means you could Negate the Extra FP consumption from Lusat's Staff aswell for a Casual Sorcerer not a Nuke Sorcerer , but eitherway you should Prioritize 70 INT atleast hitting Level 140 and at Level 180+ you also pump Dex upto 48 for the Extra 10% Cast Speed. ( Do note that Spells like Carian Slicer and Swift Glintstone Staff gets a much Higher DPS with this Cast Boost of 10% from 48 Dex , and you could always switch up Radagon's icon or put something else entirely even not equipping Azur's Staff as by this Point his staff is useless ).
3- Here's an Overall look of my Character at Level 180 exactly ( Vigor 52 , Mind 30 , Endurance 30 , Strength 20 , Dexterity 48 , Intelligence 70 , Faith 18 , Arcane 10 ). Decently great HP at 52 Vigor you are at 1750 HP exactly , 30 Mind is 160 FP , 30 Endurance is 125 Stamina and also decent enough Equip Load that you dont need any Equip Load Talisman , 48 Dex is a nice Cast Speed and a Huge great Keen buff for my Nagakiba Main Katana weapon , at 70 INT you access all Sorcery Spells and 18 Faith is a great Baseline of Faith.... ( For now i got upto level 204 i also put more Mind level and Faith with abit of Vigor at a Hardcap of 60 ). at 70 INT your Carian Regal Scepter should be at a 330 Sorcery Scaling which is pretty nice , whatever comes Extra later put into 80 INT for the Hardcap. ( Talisman Slots are Radagon's Soreseal , Dragoncrest Shield Talisman +2 , Turtle Neck Talisman and Graven-Mass Talisman for a extra 8% Sorcery Damage ). My Final Tips are , i ended up Respecing my first initial Build where i thought Strength and INT would go well... But it turns out the Best Magic Hybrid Build is definitely Dex with INT while also having great Vigor HP , Mind FP and Endurance for Stamina and Equip Load. And most likely this Build shines really well at Exactly level 180+ being a Hybrid Dex Assassin or Samurai with a Katana , Shield , Bow and with Magical Staff and also an Incantation Seal. ( Basically at Level 180 my character is Fully strong in Melee weapon range , Ranged Spells and Incantations , with a Decent good Physical Shield and a Bow aswell ). So i'm technically a 2 Class Build character with this Build , and Casting Spells are very fast... Naturally having 10% from the 48 Dex is insane , and even if you want more you could always switch Talisman for Radagon Icon making the Casting Speed being very Swift at an increase of 18% Cast Speed this is without having Azur's Staff aswell since its not that great. ( Carian Regal Scepter and Lusat's Staff are the Best in the Game imo and best Scaling aswell... It just depends wether you want to be FP Efficient with Regal Scepter , or a strong Caster at the Cost of more FP with Lusat's Staff ). And now with the New Patch 1.03 , most Spells got Reduced FP Cost so having Lusat is Viable and unlike before... So its pretty worth it to have as Alternative Nuke option for a Mage indeed. Goodluck hope this Helps 😅💯
I expect the pvp level to inch higher than 150 over time, probs 170 or so, as people want that one different weapon etc. when the inevitable expansions hit. That said, I've always considered either building to 24 to 30 dex or using a talisman. Talisman can be important, though, so I think sparing it for other effects might be a little more important than spell speed, especially now that it costs stamina to launch spells as well.
Glad for the info, my friend and I just had a conversation about this yesterday, I'm a battle mage and he's a str faith user, we both use greatswords (I also use the Astel curved sword) so cast speed is pretty important to both of us, good to have a reasonable approach to take with it👍
So if you're not spamming spells its worthless, got it.
man.. I just want my lightning spear to come out faster :(
This
Start as a wretch.
70 dex puts you at 61
60 intelligence puts you at 111 (kama hama ha spell ftw)
Then you have 39 to 49 points to put into mind, health or what not and everything will be at 10 atleast. You'll easily be a very fast somewhat strong level 150 to 159 wizard Harry.
150 to 159 for the pvp xD
Terrible build. Why would a caster have more dex than int? Especially at RL150.
Thanks for that spot and Talisman - I'd missed it. Power and accuracy have their place but 'Rate of Fire' is often the key to winning.
Absolute beautiful testing method and explanation - Didn't even mind the long ended explanation
Seems like the 10% faster cast speed really only makes a difference if you're sitting and just spamming spells consecutively, a situation that I imagine rarely occurs in actual gameplay. And if for whatever reason you do have the luxury to do nothing but spam casts, you're probably safe enough that you could do without the investment needed to up casting speed.
Let me just save you 10 min and 30 sec. Use the Radagon Icon Talisman with the best staff , nothing else makes a considerable difference
This is a great video, but please tell us what you are wearing! I want a blue hood T___T
Stop talking, start informing please
I presume the discrepancy may lie in the fact it only effects phases 2 and 3 of the spell casting. So maybe what would give a consistent measure is if you only look at the time it takes to perform passes 2 and 3 and apply the cast speed reduction to that. I say that cause it seems the bow has a longer phase 1. But if they also added a multiplier to how much cast speed reduction is added to each individual spell, that’s awfully silly lol. But I think I also saw someone say cast speed has little effect on dragon incantations, and I’d imagine all of those would have a long phase one as well, so it seems like it could be a reasonable hypothesis.
I don't plan to use spells until my next play through but god damn well done with this video - so much testing that could've been avoided but I won't groan too much because I know this is actually more information than they usually give in Souls games, haha
Are you going to start a new character for it? I figure i can respec for a while but recently got into duel wielding the colossal weapons and damn its juicy
@@Bakeddru Duel wielding colossal weapons........... why did you put this idea into my head. I've started warrior and that is now my goal - hot damn that sounds fun. Although I do wanna keep playing and New Game+ it etc I kinda love the idea of starting with a club as a wretch and ending up a wizard 😂 (it's also my first real attempt at a Souls game, so I'm having way too much fun lol)
@@25Dzone its a thing of beauty you do a lot of jumping L1 hits. Theres so much variety in this game i love it i think im 60 hours in and dont think im close to the end i need to explore everything
8:12 I am running a if I get hit I am died build so I need all of the cast speed
Seems like using the slot for another damage increasing talisman would be better than having slightly faster cast speed.
i've been wondering about casting speed, haven't checked the numbers my self but glad someone is looking at it.
Well guess what, I'm going to be a derpy shmeh and say no to your rules, I'm going to be a broken powered juggernaut and no one else can say otherwise.
Great and informing video. This is def something I have been wondering about. Cant wait until you dive deeper on the staffs and why one is better than the other. loving the content btw
The staff has also been reported speeding up incantations, without increasing their costs.
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This video is really nice and I can't imagine the time it took to get these numbers, since it's percentage based, it's better to test it with long cast times as the difference would be more clear.
As a spell-swordish build i find the dex path quite appealing on top of the talisman so thanks guys for the info!
Because Moonveil exists, you're better off just stacking dex to get your cast speed to a usable level. The staff isn't worth running when the FP cost is so high and Radagons Icon gives basically nothing and trading that talisman slot for the cast speed is ultimately not worth whatsoever tbh when you can just make your stronger spells do more damage which already dramatically reduces the time you'll be fighting since you'll ultimately be doing more damage anyway. In short just get your dex up, and use the better staff and a better talisman in that slot. Don't worry about cast speed tbh
You could invest some points into dex to be able to use a dex weapon, like moonveil, as a backup for when running out of magic juice.
Moonveil is int not dex for dex use any weapon where the main stat is dex like b scaling on deaths poker
@@johnhummel99 moonveil is like 18 dex min, so you need to invest a bit there to use it with any caster class
If all these options don't impact the start up of the first spell then It's safe to say none of them is worth it in PvP as you're most likely are going to shoot only 1 spell at a time while dodging and moving. Thanks for the video!
A counter though is if you play aggressive with your psyhcic and use limitless fp for 10 secs. Like specifically spamming stars of ruin, and that will guarantee damage even if they know how to roll avoid it
So, Incantations are not affected the same as Sorceries in Speed?, spells like Lightning spear, Black Flame or Bestial Sling?... but then Incantantions like 'The Flame of Frenzy' or 'Heal' are not affected or enough to be considerable? (those are my Incantations rn)
Ah. So Basically, dragon incantations with a 2+ seconds cast time benefit next to nothing from cast speed reductions. Thanks fromsoft, as if the Roar Medallion that doesn't work on dragon breaths wasn't bad enough, we have an essential part of the caster toolset taken away from us.
In the comparison between Talisman+Azur+99Dex VS 99 Dex, it really looks like the left side video started the cast first. Maybe I'm crazy but I'm fairly certain the virtual dex the staff and talisman give you count towards the 70 dex cast speed cap. This is how it worked in the previous titles anyways. I may be wrong.
That is correct there is another vid that confirms that for casting speed dex caps at 70. No true caster build can afford dex above 20-25 while being between 120-150 lvl for pvp so it does not really matter.
What about these famous spells in terms of cast speed?
-Comet
-Comet Azur
-Glintstone Pebble
-Great Glintstone Shard
-Heal series
-Meteor of Astel
-Rock Sling
Thankee!
is this a fuckin joke? i literally have the same video with 0 views from weeks ago and unless they DRAMATICALLY buffed it in the last patch then it literally makes 0 difference
I'm confused. You say that cast speed doesn't do anything for going from nothing to casting the first spell, but in the same breath, the video you show clearly shows an earlier projectile being shot out compared with no increased casting.
Honestly Radagon Icon +2 would fix all of this nonsense. Why didn't they just add that?
Great video. I'm a level 198 pure INT Confessor trying to beat Consort Radahn for a month now. I put 9 points into Dex, but considering respec'ing to 25 Faith so I can buff with Golden Vow. I would keep using Radagon's Icon. I'm getting good damage with off-hand Staff of Loss paired with Lusata's using Night Comet. I only have 2 Larval Tears left and want to make the right call (I could pull some points from Endurance or Mind, but I really like having lots of Stamina and Light Roll and need the FP to use with Lusata).
I think we're gonna need some dataminers to figure out how it affects every spell precisely.
Isn't the pvp meta 180?
150 is way too low, considering the amount of one hit weapons/spells/incantations, you need a lot more vigor.
I thought that chargeable spells were more like a bar that need to be filled for max. Since spell speed affects the motions of the spell it wouldn't have much impact on charge spells since that bar had to be filled to reach max, but that is just my thought.
Love the humor in these videos. Well done.
Any plans to revisit this after the new patch?
So basically, dex is useless unless you get to around level 250+...because casting fast does you no good if you die in one hit or if your spells do no damage
you're thinking about the maths wrong when you claim that stacking AS leads to diminishing returns when AS reduction scales multiplicatively (rather than additively). The return that we care about is DPS, but actually, your DPS would increase exponentially if ASreduc was additive, and still increases roughly linearly when multiplied. Think about this: say I have an initial DPS output of 100, now, at 50% reduction, my DPS would be 200, (that 50% was therefore worth 100), at 80% ASreduc, my DPS would be 500 (that next 30% is therefore worth 300), at 90% I have 1000 DPS... at 100% I have infinite DPS (and the game would crash as it tries to run that many animations XD). Conversely, if I have 10% reduc, (111 DPS) then gain (10% of 90% = 9%) so I have 19%, my DPS is 123, then (10% of 81% = 8.1%) so 27.1% which gives 137. So.. you are still getting and 11, then 12, then 14 DPS increase as you take more ASreduc.
Question:
You're saying that Talisman + Azure Staff + 99 Dex = 25% speed increase for glintstone pebble (12:17). However, in watching the footage, it seems like you cast glintstone pebble at the same time for both comparisons (the spell tile/icon/thing appears at basically the same time), and then the left frame shows 6 pebbles are cast in the same time as the right frame where only 5 pebbles were cast. This shows that for every 5 pebbles cast without any speed buffs, the max speed buff can produce 6 pebbles. 6/5 = 1.2, meaning the 5 pebbles increase by a factor of 1.2 (20%) when buffed. I even counted every pebble cast at the beginning and end of the pebble experiment (12:17) for both buffed and non-buffed. Again, both start at the same time and end with a pebble being cast at the same time. The non-buffed casted 15 pebbles and the buffed casted 18 pebbles which is again a factor of 1.2 (18/15 = 6/5 = 1.2).
I assume you were looking at the total frames and weighing the differences between the two options (as you mentioned earlier in the video), but 5% seems to be a somewhat large amount of error when talking about 20% vs 25%. That being said, I did notice that the first buffed glintstone pebble fired faster vs the base version. I also noticed that the buffed spell tile appeared SLIGHTLY before the non buffed version (likely just a video syncing matter). You also mentioned that there is a small amount of error when counting specific frames and that the buffs are multiplicative, so the 25% you are saying may actually be a little less and you may just be rounding for the sake of simplicity. All of which may affect my observation a bit.
Having said all that, I wanted to get your take on why it seems that you only get 6 pebbles cast vs 5 when unbuffed equaling 20%, not 25%. If everything was aligned perfectly at the beginning, I would have expected to see the left screen 25% of the way into casting the next glintstone pebble by the time the right screen casted its 5th pebble.
Basically, I am wondering if you can offer any additional insights that I may not be considering above as to why this is not the case.
Ahh so for my build using Loretta's Greatbow, I need Radagon Icon, Godfrey Icon, Arrow's Reach, and the Green Turtle Talisman, and I'm gonna say a comfortable 60 Dex. I'm doing a hybrid Archer/Caster build with Horned Bow w/ Rain of Arrows, and Black Bow w/ Barrage. I'm also using the Carian Glintblade Staff with Magic Glintblade, the previously mentioned Loretta's Greatbow, and Carian Slicer for a touch of Melee damage. I do eventually want to get Terra Magica in there to do bonus damage with Horn Bow and Loretta's Greatbow.
This actually makes Dex really useful in Dex/Faith builds, like Flame Art Milady which means that incantations at something like 25/35 dex gives a good amount of cast speed while also increasing physical damage too
I would like to see the staff comparison video you have planned. I’ve heard that the Lusat staff is bugged and does not actually increase sorcery damage past basic scaling. That means the extra 50% cost is completely wasted while using that staff.
Scaling multiplicatively does NOT mean there's diminishing returns, the number itself is smaller but the impact of the number is greater. It's why it's important to make sure any mechanic that scales downwards scales multiplicatively, say because applying 50% damage reduction 2 times making you infinitely tanky, which is obviously broken. Similarly, going from 3.8 seconds cast time to 1.9s cast time is obviously not even nearly as good as going from 1.9s to 0s, as the latter practically makes you a god.
Uh... A lot of this is wrong.
First off, int has a hard cap of 99 just like every other attribute in every other Fromsoft game. It has a softcap of 80 which is where the diminishing returns are so harsh that it's hard to justify the further investment, but the game still lets you put points into it. Not sure who told you that the game literally doesn't let you raise it above 80, since that's what hard cap means, but that's very wrong.
Second, and possibly more importantly, radagon's icon ABSOLUTELY effects the wind up time of some spell. The two that I know of first hand are the first beast spell (I forget what it's called... The pocket sand one) and lightning spear. They come out wayyyyy quicker when uncharged using radagon's icon, but it doesn't seem to decrease the charge time on lightning spear any from my brief testing.
I'm pretty sure sorceries and incantations are handled differently for some reason. I think this video is mostly right about sorceries, but is completely useless when discussing the effects on incantations.
6:20 this is actually a more important point than you realize, as that's the case for many incantations, like lightning spear.
You can charge lightining spear as well some other incants