@@Squall6575 right. I tend to agree with that, specially with the Vox part. However, tweed fender with 12" speakers or a multiple 10"s have gorgeous cleans as well (im excluding the champ - just because of volume).
The two Marshalls still sounded the best to me. The little studio is the main winner for considering the price. I have the SV20H (the 1959spl version) and its such an amazing amp. Also, the fact you guys played over Greenbacks is a good choice imo. That raspiness and flub is what its all about!
The Tone King was by far the best sounding amp in this shootout imo. He got that amp a couple of months ago but this is the first video it has been shown in since that unboxing video. I hope they start using it more in videos cause it’s literally the best sounding amp of any amp I’ve heard on this channel
The JTM45 2245 reissue sounds the best to me. I went in wanting it to be the Royalist and expecting to find the JTM45 to be too harsh. Turned out to be quite the opposite to my ears. Too bad they cost so much more in the US 😥
Those are my favorite type of Andertons videos. To my ears the deputy had the most clarity and note definition in all tests, loved the mids of the big Marshall too
US pricing as of Feb. 21 the Marshall Studio is $1750, the Marshall JTM45 is $2999, the Tone King is $2495, Victory Deputy is $1499, and the Friedman Little Sister is $1499.
Oh my god, buy the friedman, of course. It's handwired and a crazy good deal. Marshall have lost their way with the move to Vietnamese transformers anyway
So its a win for the Marshalls: I need flub and lots of it (historically its a significant component of what makes a 'traditional' valve sound). But of course you can always turn the bass down.
Always bugs me on demo’s of this kind of circuit where they just crank it but don’t adjust the EQ ie. Kill the bass, get the treble and presence up and then talk about the flubbiness or it sounds like a muddy mess and they proclaim how “awesome” it sounds. 😂
JTM45 is probably my favourite clean tone ever - I like Fender too, but every time I plug into a JTM45, my entire body goes: "Yes, this is where a live".
The Tone KIng is by far the overall winner for me, but out of my price range. The Marshal Studio and Victory were tied for 2nd place IMHO and *affordable to me. The Victory wins between those two simply because it has reverb. Good demo.
Friedman for me ;) 42:06 is where you got me. Nice warm and fat but still tight in the bass with a percussive, snappy tone and a sweet top end. Love it. But there really is something to the JTM 45 clean tone ... considering one for studio recording just for that particular sound. Great Comparison
After all was said and done, there's nothing like a dialed in Marshall. Good and OG. That Friedman was killer too. Great video as always guys. Cheers from the states.
The tone king is amazing with every set you did. I love the studio is great detail and sound with the stratocaster. I own a Dirty Shirley, Sheriff 44, SLO-30 and Carr Super Bee. All cool and special in different ways. I would love to have the Studio!
In a way, I think you having a part of victory helps because it allows you to influence design and so far the designs have been amazing. I own six of the amplifier products and just ordered the deputy. Keep up the great work on those. I think you have a right to make as much money and do it anyway you choose and I don’t think in any of the videos I’ve ever seen that you have chosen victory over another amplifier and shootouts, or nor have you mentioned them as a matter of fact, you’ve usually shout about Friedman more than anyone 3:23
@@jonthehermit8082 you won’t regret it, pull the trigger. Nothing like a solid amp that you can play at genuine bedroom volume or genuinely loud. I rate my Friedman as the best spend I have made.
They all sound great, but of those options, the Tone King sounded the best to me. (The Marshall sounded darker and the Victory sounded thinner) However, I can usually get JTM sounds I prefer even more out of a Soldano using the low gain blue channel. But you can’t go wrong with any of them.
I was fortunate enough to obtain a Metropoulos JTM45 7 years ago for under $1500. These amps are rare in that it is very difficult to find them for sale. That amp is fantastic and I would love it if you guys can find one and compare it with your current options. Great stuff and keep it coming.🤟
Mr Captain Lee The JTM 2245 Is bright all the way to ca. Volume 7on high treble channel . Then the Bright Cap goes away. All Marshall's Sounds best IMO at Volume 6-8 and use Volume on Guitar for Clean
Studio sounds incredible, vintage and modern. My pick of the bunch and a deserved amp of the year. The OG JTM45 has that elusive addictive cardboardy thing going on and only the Studio seemed to capture that well.
I'm still surprised when people are surprised by Marshall clean tones - the clean tones at the end are absolute perfection! Don't be afraid to say you love the Victory (I know the Internet is a toxic place) but geez it sounded good!
I'd take all five. They all sound great, with a board with overdrive and some reverb, you can gig any of them anywhere. I've been using an Origin 20 with an OCD and a Tumnus, and it just sounds great, and also takes about five minutes to set up and tear down.
The Tone King sounds so good. Wow! Holy cow! In this case it sounds like you get what you pay for. …at least in the edge of break up range. I was rooting for the lower priced ones. Dang it!
JTM and Tone King sound great. - You guys should get your hands on the updated Suhr Badger models and do a new video on them. The one from a decade ago really didn’t do those amps any justice and they’d fit right in to all these “shootouts”. Rock on.
I hardly ever have a "clear winner" on this type of videos since each product will usually do somethings better/worse than others, but this time around the Studio is to me the clear winner. It did everything best to my ears while also being of of the least expensive
Honestly, for the price, Marshall is a great value to sound like Marshall! €720 (excl. VAT) for the ST20H makes it very hard to justify getting something else. €1520 (excl. VAT) for the Little Sister is just.. bonkers. Yeah, it has more features and is handwired but I just don't care about that. Some argue that PCB is superior anyway. And a lot of people already have attenuators/loadboxes anyway so having a MV doesn't really matter for many.
Is 20w and a 1x12 cab loud enough to cut through over a drummer and bassist? If so do you even have any clean headroom left at that point? It sounds great but I'm skeptical
The Friedman is PCB too, and in the US it's $250 cheaper than the Marshall Studio. In the UK it's a no brainer but over here it's a different story. Shame too because the Marshall sounds better to me.
You have to play and hear them. I went through loads of amps Orange, Marshall ( including the HW re issue 1964) , Fender, Vox etc and was never happy. Then I played a Dirty Shirley and a Morgan Ac20 these are now my go to amps. But it’s what you want and horses for courses. PS these videos are great but they do not portray the amp you have to play it yourself.
@@pCeLobsterpretty sure the Friedman is an eyelet board construction, which is quite different to a PCB. Friedman does use PCB (on the Runt series) but I don’t believe it does on this more expensive amp.
I've tried the Studio JTM, Friedman Little Sister, Dirty Shirley Mini, and Friedman Pink Taco 20 (first version). The Studio JTM cleans were good, great crunch sounds, but the drive sounds weren't the best, reminded me a little of a Fender Hot Rod. The Little Sister and Dirty Shirley Mini to my ears was like the JTM high treble channel with great sounding drive. If you want dark cleans from the Little Sister or Dirty Shirley Mini, forget it - too bright. With the Pink Taco, turn up the bass, turn down the treble and mids, turn down the gain and guitar volume, turn up the master volume and there it is - wonderful dark cleans. The drive sounds are what you expect of a Friedman - amazing. The Pink Taco 20 is now the amp I own, it does bright and dark cleans, it does crunch, it does rock, it does metal. Great amp. I've never tried Pink Taco V2 but I've read it's brighter than version 1 which is a shame as I think the original had the right balance, at least for my tastes. The big advantage with Friedman is they have an excellent master volume control so no attenuation required.
They all sound great. I’d like to see a quality demo at this point with so many expert opinions that are available. Let’s talk about the brand that are mounting tubes to circuit boards vs brands that know better.
Kinda like a Bassman?? EXACTLY a Bassman other than the parts that that were hard to get in GB in the early 60's -- and the smart idea of using 12's in a CLOSED box.
As someone who doesn't care about clean tones, the studio is the clear winner for me. Bang for the buck. You get the nice dirties and you don't have to finance your car for it
Excellent run-thru and comparison. A lot of it comes down to personal opinion...so here's mine. The Friedman had the typical upper-midrange spike that I don't care for. The Victory, although very clear sounding, was also a little harsh for me. The JTM Studio surprised the heck out of me and sounded very similar to its big brother in many ways, but with a little more brightness and a little less girth. The Royalist is just a great amp, sounding similar to the Marshalls albeit maybe a little bit more refined with a bit more clarity. Add the extra features that you get with the Tone King like the 3 modes and dual Ironman attenuation makes it the winner and for me. By the way, I think the cab with Greenbacks is perfectly appropriate for these amps.
Just had these tested last week in Guitar Guitar Esher and I ended up purchasing the Victory for the all round package and sound. The Tone King did sound slightly better but lacked an effects loop which is essential for me. My Les Paul and 335 Block sound absolutely awesome through this little Victory head, I can recommend and I have no shares in the company! 😆
Cranked I liked the Marshalls. I liked the additional high end for clean tones on the other amps. I think setting them all up edge of breakup and using a gain pedal sounded great.
Great show guys and love how you did the comparisons! Surprised how I thought I’d prefer the JTM45 rather than the 20, but instead much prefer the 20. I thought the EL based amps would have too much top end for my tastes and you confirmed that. And in America Marshall prices are straight robbery. Would love to see more comparisons such as this!
This was great, all sound really good in their own way, would have been sick, if the Mezzabarba Z35 was included and sold at Andertons... That amp is a Friggin stellar JTM style amp
I'd like to hear the Marshall Bluesbreaker also even though it's a combo. The Marshall's sounded the best to me. The other's just sounded trebly like a Plexi. Great video though.
All sound cool, I kinda like the flub no lie😂 but that victory does sound awesome! I’d probably would buy that or the Friedman to be honest, just over all.
i think the flub and problem in the Marshalls is actually from jumping the channels together, might get better low end by going into only the treble channel and then adjusting the eq. Hendrix never jumped the channels like that and he got some of the most iconic sounds out of those style amps.
I've put a rotary switch in my SV20 to choose between a couple bright cap values on the fly. It makes a HUGE difference. A 100pF cap gives it all the JTM vibes for example :'D
I'd also say the SV20 comes closer to the original JTM when driven hard because it's honkier / smoother in the power amp distortion and has less clear bass on tap than the ST20.
Srv used his Marshall for clean tones and Fender for dirtier. Because it was a proper Marshall. People think Marshall are all about gain. Not the vintage ones.
The ACDC sound is much cleaner then most people realise. Meaning it has more 'hair' due to that violineske sound a slight overdriven sound has. That has way more texture than an allmost white noise sound. (Meaning a fully block sound due to the overdrive where every soundwave has a blockshape on a scope).
This was a great video. A lot to digest here. Bottom line is they all are phenomenal. If you only heard one, you’d be more than happy. I think in a studio setting, that’s where one would be most concerned. Obviously price is a major concern for the average Joe. But it’s still a great comparison. And really interesting how each amp can really hold its own.
I think you should have Eq'd them to be similar. The big jtm45 sounded too mudcy, which is likely fixed with a bit of twiddling. Nothing wrong with eq matching before a comparison
I purchased a boss, ir200, and an origin 50. I loved the 50, so much i came here and took a dump on the boss. I was wrong it's fun, and it's cool, and it doesn't sound as good as the real thing, but it still sounds fantastic, and i can play any style i want and sound good. And after actually paying attention to your video on you, guys were 100% honest. If you're on a budget, get the origin 50. You can play it in you're room it will sound good on 3 watts, and no one will hate you. If you can get a head and cab. It fills the room better than a combo. Also, get the boss it's better than any of the sim combos, imho. I've purchased all the big names and returned them all. Not ir200. It's not going anywhere. But since i feel bad for leaving a negative comment, I'm going to purchase a guitar, and i shouldn't, but i have a problem, probably another amp! You're welcome!
Thank you for these comparative tests and materials of all kinds. It's always very friendly and informative and allowed me to know and want to buy equipment that I would probably never have tried on my own like the Poly Verbs or understand the interest of certain effects. I wish you 60 more years l,,/
Once again, I say that I'm using the sv20 since it came out and it's a great clean amp that takes pedals very well. I'm eyeing the studio jtm tho just because I am curious
Cool shootout! They sound all great. If I could I would like to have all of them!!! So it’s so hard to decide which of them will be the next invest 🙈. Stay tuned - greetings from Germany
In regard to the "flub". A compensation of the EQ controls on the amp will absolutely remove that "flub" A JTM circuit is a little spongey and looser on the lower frequencies anyway. They can also be a little wooley if you just set everything at 12 o'clock. All of those amps are incredibly great !!
Victory sounds killer. I've been waiting since September for my JTM 20 Head to show up. Sorry lads. I ordered it from a Canadian distributor where I live.
IMO the JTM 45 still does the Marshall thing best of the bunch, even better than the Tone King; it has a bottom end thump the other's just don't have. The JTM 20 is the first to get mushy, that's a disappointment. The Tone King is 2nd best behind the JTM 45, great amp with a lot of features, but missing that bottom end thump of the JTM. The Victory is lacking in bottom end compared to the rest of these amps; makes it easy to avoid getting mushy if you just cut all the bottom end out, add some more low end to it and it would probably get mushy like the JTM 20. The Friedman is nice, nicer than the JTM 20, but there's a cost to it. Overall, the JTM 45 still reigns king, IMO of course, YMMV. BTW, now way the Friedman is 20 watts, you cannot get 20 watts out of a pair of EL84's, it's probably 15 - 18 watts max. Same thing with the Victory, you cannot get 25 watts out of a pair of EL86's, it's probably very close to the Friedman, you can maybe get a couple of watts more but that's it, not really enough to be audible. Anyway, good video, love Pete's playing! What a great resource to have there for these videos.
Aah, fun and good-sounding video! But since only the Marshalls is 4-input amps I think you also should've tested them only connected to the brighter input. The bright input on JTM45 is nowhere as bright as on, lets say, the "plexi" 1987x where jumping bright/normal inputs is almost a must.
There's something wrong with me... because I'm growing to love that JTM studio, it just has tons of character. The original is nice, but the rest can stay in the shops.
Second time watching this. Kinda think this should have included the dirty shirley, or twin sister too. The small amps have less bass response. I'm sure this is at least in part to do with the size of the output transformer. Would like to hear the more powerful Friedman shirley amp in context to the Marshall. Still, good demo. Great playing, and great amps.
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The JTM studio is killer for the price ! the victory a little harsh for my ears .
4:14 Pete: I'll try not to use any reverb. 40 seconds later... here is a little reverb 😂
Came here to say that lol
Me too @@sjftech
You were the first one who said it but I was the first one who thought it 🤪
Well done that man😂😂😂😂😂😂 @@Herr_Leinweber
Marshall has one of the most beautiful clean sounds I ever heard.
Im gonna say it: marshall has better cleans for my ears than vox or fender. I find fender and vox too icepicky
@@Squall6575 right. I tend to agree with that, specially with the Vox part. However, tweed fender with 12" speakers or a multiple 10"s have gorgeous cleans as well (im excluding the champ - just because of volume).
The two Marshalls still sounded the best to me. The little studio is the main winner for considering the price. I have the SV20H (the 1959spl version) and its such an amazing amp. Also, the fact you guys played over Greenbacks is a good choice imo. That raspiness and flub is what its all about!
The Tone King was by far the best sounding amp in this shootout imo. He got that amp a couple of months ago but this is the first video it has been shown in since that unboxing video. I hope they start using it more in videos cause it’s literally the best sounding amp of any amp I’ve heard on this channel
I just got one along with the open back 1x12 cab. Stellar amp!! Just amazing!!
I played on a JTM45 with a strat and I had a blast, it's a wonderful amp, with a clean sound of breathtaking beauty
The JTM45 2245 reissue sounds the best to me. I went in wanting it to be the Royalist and expecting to find the JTM45 to be too harsh. Turned out to be quite the opposite to my ears. Too bad they cost so much more in the US 😥
Those are my favorite type of Andertons videos. To my ears the deputy had the most clarity and note definition in all tests, loved the mids of the big Marshall too
Just got the Tone King along with matching 1x12 cab! What a stellar amp! Just killer!!
US pricing as of Feb. 21 the Marshall Studio is $1750, the Marshall JTM45 is $2999, the Tone King is $2495, Victory Deputy is $1499, and the Friedman Little Sister is $1499.
Criminal lol
In the EU we feel the same with US amps, we get it. ;)
Oh my god, buy the friedman, of course. It's handwired and a crazy good deal. Marshall have lost their way with the move to Vietnamese transformers anyway
Put them through the bin and buy a toneX for some quid. F** those crap.
Sounds like a good reason to buy UK amps through Andertons to me ;-) Should at least even he prices a little.
Pete's config on the Little Sister sounded the best to me of the bunch.
Indeed, it really leapt ahead of the rest at the end. It’s so much more dynamic than the others. What a stellar little amp.
The victory deputy captured the best clarity to me. Im impressed with that little amp. Great job, guys.
Do you own shares too 😀
@@EffektPublishing Yeah, because in a world of billions of ears, there's no way anyone would chose the Victory, right? /smh
@@lescaster2179 just joshing on the "shock, horror! Lee part owns Victory" storm...
The JTM45 all day for me.
Me too, but we may be very oldschool.😂
I'm sorry but the clean sound coming out of the real JTM at the end was just the best, wow!
There’s no problem with liking your own product, as long as the ownership is stated (which it was). Nice shoot out and top playing from Pete as usual.
The Tone King is worth every penny, love that sound.
So its a win for the Marshalls: I need flub and lots of it (historically its a significant component of what makes a 'traditional' valve sound). But of course you can always turn the bass down.
Always bugs me on demo’s of this kind of circuit where they just crank it but don’t adjust the EQ ie. Kill the bass, get the treble and presence up and then talk about the flubbiness or it sounds like a muddy mess and they proclaim how “awesome” it sounds. 😂
I think I agree with the Captain! I liked the Royalist the best and right after the Marshall JTM Studio one. The JTM46 sounded awesome clean!
That ToneKing sounds out of this world at 25:50. Some of the best tone I've ever heard holy smokes
JTM45 is probably my favourite clean tone ever - I like Fender too, but every time I plug into a JTM45, my entire body goes: "Yes, this is where a live".
I am of the same opinion as you, a jtm45 in clean sound with a strat is one of the most beautiful clear sounds that exist
isn't the jtm45 really close to a Fender Bassman? That's why it's got great clean tone.
This comparison reaffirmed my satisfaction with my Marshall SV20H Studio Vintage 20/5-watt. Now I wouldn't mind owning that Tone King also.
JTM45 is my favourite, bluesy to the hills. Wonderful…….
Hills bee bluesy with tha sounds of blusey
JTM45 wins overall to my ears because of its more low end. Anyway, all these amps are lovely.
On every occasion, the Victory came in last for me, lacking mids. Tone King was very good every time - well balanced sound.
The Tone KIng is by far the overall winner for me, but out of my price range. The Marshal Studio and Victory were tied for 2nd place IMHO and *affordable to me. The Victory wins between those two simply because it has reverb. Good demo.
Yeah that studio sounds really great!
Friedman for me ;) 42:06 is where you got me. Nice warm and fat but still tight in the bass with a percussive, snappy tone and a sweet top end. Love it. But there really is something to the JTM 45 clean tone ... considering one for studio recording
just for that particular sound. Great Comparison
After all was said and done, there's nothing like a dialed in Marshall. Good and OG. That Friedman was killer too. Great video as always guys. Cheers from the states.
Running the normal channel a few notches lower than the high treble is the key with JTM45's. Cool amps.
Yup
The deputy was obviously the most "tinny" thin sounding of the bunch. All good amps but I'll take the Friedman.
The tone king is amazing with every set you did. I love the studio is great detail and sound with the stratocaster. I own a Dirty Shirley, Sheriff 44, SLO-30 and Carr Super Bee. All cool and special in different ways. I would love to have the Studio!
In a way, I think you having a part of victory helps because it allows you to influence design and so far the designs have been amazing. I own six of the amplifier products and just ordered the deputy. Keep up the great work on those. I think you have a right to make as much money and do it anyway you choose and I don’t think in any of the videos I’ve ever seen that you have chosen victory over another amplifier and shootouts, or nor have you mentioned them as a matter of fact, you’ve usually shout about Friedman more than anyone 3:23
The Victory and the JTM45 are my favorite out of these. Personally, i like the Victory the best. I honestly DID NOT think that'd be the case.
I’m a Friedman fan. U can get great low volume sounds out of them without attenuating
The ultimate home amps. Fortunately I discovered this.
me too@@Bluepilled-c5t
Cool I’m kind of infatuated with the little sister, I’ve gotten rid of my big tube amps and use mostly digital, I need that thing.
@@jonthehermit8082 you won’t regret it, pull the trigger. Nothing like a solid amp that you can play at genuine bedroom volume or genuinely loud. I rate my Friedman as the best spend I have made.
@@Bluepilled-c5t lol, this Marshall studio on this video is what got me started,
They all sound great, but of those options, the Tone King sounded the best to me. (The Marshall sounded darker and the Victory sounded thinner) However, I can usually get JTM sounds I prefer even more out of a Soldano using the low gain blue channel. But you can’t go wrong with any of them.
I was fortunate enough to obtain a Metropoulos JTM45 7 years ago for under $1500. These amps are rare in that it is very difficult to find them for sale. That amp is fantastic and I would love it if you guys can find one and compare it with your current options. Great stuff and keep it coming.🤟
You and I both know that it sounds better than any of these amps.
Absolutely fantastic playing Pete. So classy.
All 5 of those Marshalls sound pretty good.
Thanks for another great video! I have a JTM45 but I’m really thinking about getting the Deputy! It sounds awesome!
Keep on rockin’ ! 🤘🎩
Noooooo...... you don't really want a tinny sounding V. Stay loyal to the original and still best.
FANTASTIC demo of these amps! And Lee and Pete - love you back.
Mr Captain Lee
The JTM 2245 Is bright all the way to ca. Volume 7on high treble channel . Then the Bright Cap goes away.
All Marshall's Sounds best IMO at Volume 6-8 and use Volume on Guitar for Clean
Studio sounds incredible, vintage and modern. My pick of the bunch and a deserved amp of the year. The OG JTM45 has that elusive addictive cardboardy thing going on and only the Studio seemed to capture that well.
And I think the Friedman may be the pick for Hendrix tones.
The JTM45 sounds best to my ears, it has more mids.
I'm still surprised when people are surprised by Marshall clean tones - the clean tones at the end are absolute perfection! Don't be afraid to say you love the Victory (I know the Internet is a toxic place) but geez it sounded good!
For the money, Just get the Marshall! Sounded amazing!
I'd take all five. They all sound great, with a board with overdrive and some reverb, you can gig any of them anywhere. I've been using an Origin 20 with an OCD and a Tumnus, and it just sounds great, and also takes about five minutes to set up and tear down.
Tone king wins for me. The JTM when it was clean sounded amazing though.
The Tone King sounds so good. Wow! Holy cow! In this case it sounds like you get what you pay for. …at least in the edge of break up range.
I was rooting for the lower priced ones. Dang it!
JTM and Tone King sound great. - You guys should get your hands on the updated Suhr Badger models and do a new video on them. The one from a decade ago really didn’t do those amps any justice and they’d fit right in to all these “shootouts”. Rock on.
I hardly ever have a "clear winner" on this type of videos since each product will usually do somethings better/worse than others, but this time around the Studio is to me the clear winner. It did everything best to my ears while also being of of the least expensive
Honestly, for the price, Marshall is a great value to sound like Marshall! €720 (excl. VAT) for the ST20H makes it very hard to justify getting something else. €1520 (excl. VAT) for the Little Sister is just.. bonkers. Yeah, it has more features and is handwired but I just don't care about that. Some argue that PCB is superior anyway. And a lot of people already have attenuators/loadboxes anyway so having a MV doesn't really matter for many.
Is 20w and a 1x12 cab loud enough to cut through over a drummer and bassist? If so do you even have any clean headroom left at that point? It sounds great but I'm skeptical
The Friedman is PCB too, and in the US it's $250 cheaper than the Marshall Studio. In the UK it's a no brainer but over here it's a different story. Shame too because the Marshall sounds better to me.
I’ve seen a handfull of little sisters’ on reverb for around 900 usd. the build quality is better from what I hear when compared to budget marshalls.
You have to play and hear them. I went through loads of amps Orange, Marshall ( including the HW re issue 1964) , Fender, Vox etc and was never happy. Then I played a Dirty Shirley and a Morgan Ac20 these are now my go to amps. But it’s what you want and horses for courses. PS these videos are great but they do not portray the amp you have to play it yourself.
@@pCeLobsterpretty sure the Friedman is an eyelet board construction, which is quite different to a PCB. Friedman does use PCB (on the Runt series) but I don’t believe it does on this more expensive amp.
I’ll take the one with the KT66s and the GZ34 rectifier.
I've tried the Studio JTM, Friedman Little Sister, Dirty Shirley Mini, and Friedman Pink Taco 20 (first version). The Studio JTM cleans were good, great crunch sounds, but the drive sounds weren't the best, reminded me a little of a Fender Hot Rod. The Little Sister and Dirty Shirley Mini to my ears was like the JTM high treble channel with great sounding drive. If you want dark cleans from the Little Sister or Dirty Shirley Mini, forget it - too bright. With the Pink Taco, turn up the bass, turn down the treble and mids, turn down the gain and guitar volume, turn up the master volume and there it is - wonderful dark cleans. The drive sounds are what you expect of a Friedman - amazing. The Pink Taco 20 is now the amp I own, it does bright and dark cleans, it does crunch, it does rock, it does metal. Great amp. I've never tried Pink Taco V2 but I've read it's brighter than version 1 which is a shame as I think the original had the right balance, at least for my tastes.
The big advantage with Friedman is they have an excellent master volume control so no attenuation required.
The victor sounds awesome! Best pick for me and price ! Tone king is great but ridiculously expensive considering how similar in sound to the others
They all sound great. I’d like to see a quality demo at this point with so many expert opinions that are available. Let’s talk about the brand that are mounting tubes to circuit boards vs brands that know better.
Fantastic comparison video ! Thanks guys !
Special mention for Pete's playing so beautiful !
Kinda like a Bassman?? EXACTLY a Bassman other than the parts that that were hard to get in GB in the early 60's -- and the smart idea of using 12's in a CLOSED box.
All sounded great. Looks wise Marshall's does it for me..
As someone who doesn't care about clean tones, the studio is the clear winner for me. Bang for the buck. You get the nice dirties and you don't have to finance your car for it
just seeing this now, this is going to be good. 🎉
I'd be really interested to see a comparison between the ST20 and the Origin :)
Amp shootouts are the best
Excellent run-thru and comparison. A lot of it comes down to personal opinion...so here's mine. The Friedman had the typical upper-midrange spike that I don't care for. The Victory, although very clear sounding, was also a little harsh for me. The JTM Studio surprised the heck out of me and sounded very similar to its big brother in many ways, but with a little more brightness and a little less girth. The Royalist is just a great amp, sounding similar to the Marshalls albeit maybe a little bit more refined with a bit more clarity. Add the extra features that you get with the Tone King like the 3 modes and dual Ironman attenuation makes it the winner and for me. By the way, I think the cab with Greenbacks is perfectly appropriate for these amps.
Just had these tested last week in Guitar Guitar Esher and I ended up purchasing the Victory for the all round package and sound. The Tone King did sound slightly better but lacked an effects loop which is essential for me. My Les Paul and 335 Block sound absolutely awesome through this little Victory head, I can recommend and I have no shares in the company! 😆
I was not very familiar about Tone King though I have seen them on occasion. Think I need to do more digging on Tone King because it sounded amazing.
Turns out if you want a good JTM45 sound, buy a JTM45!
Cranked I liked the Marshalls. I liked the additional high end for clean tones on the other amps. I think setting them all up edge of breakup and using a gain pedal sounded great.
Can we just admit that Tone King always has everyone beat except they are expensive and just get everyone to compete with them?
There isnt even a question on this amp shootout for me. The Tone King is miles ahead of the pack and the Victory is dead last imo.
JMP 100 and the JMP50 combo are the best Marshall tones.
Great show guys and love how you did the comparisons! Surprised how I thought I’d prefer the JTM45 rather than the 20, but instead much prefer the 20. I thought the EL based amps would have too much top end for my tastes and you confirmed that. And in America Marshall prices are straight robbery. Would love to see more comparisons such as this!
I'll take the one with the tubes.
yes! more tube, more tone. duh
I thought the one with the mids sounded the best.
@martyshwaartz971 I disagree, the one that was being overdriven sounded the best. The one with the mids sounded all right too though, got to admit.
This was great, all sound really good in their own way, would have been sick, if the Mezzabarba Z35 was included and sold at Andertons... That amp is a Friggin stellar JTM style amp
I'd like to hear the Marshall Bluesbreaker also even though it's a combo. The Marshall's sounded the best to me. The other's just sounded trebly like a Plexi. Great video though.
All sound cool, I kinda like the flub no lie😂 but that victory does sound awesome! I’d probably would buy that or the Friedman to be honest, just over all.
i think the flub and problem in the Marshalls is actually from jumping the channels together, might get better low end by going into only the treble channel and then adjusting the eq. Hendrix never jumped the channels like that and he got some of the most iconic sounds out of those style amps.
Little Sister is a flat out incredible amp
I've put a rotary switch in my SV20 to choose between a couple bright cap values on the fly. It makes a HUGE difference. A 100pF cap gives it all the JTM vibes for example :'D
I'd also say the SV20 comes closer to the original JTM when driven hard because it's honkier / smoother in the power amp distortion and has less clear bass on tap than the ST20.
On top of a Marshall 4x12 cabinet the jtm45 is the best looking 😊
Srv used his Marshall for clean tones and Fender for dirtier. Because it was a proper Marshall. People think Marshall are all about gain. Not the vintage ones.
The ACDC sound is much cleaner then most people realise. Meaning it has more 'hair' due to that violineske sound a slight overdriven sound has. That has way more texture than an allmost white noise sound. (Meaning a fully block sound due to the overdrive where every soundwave has a blockshape on a scope).
Over hear in the states it goes from low to high- victory, Friedman, Marshall ST20, Tone king, jtm45 on sweetwater
Toneking seems be very adaptive for pedals. They are all good amps. Can’t really go terribly wrong with either one of them.
This was a great video. A lot to digest here. Bottom line is they all are phenomenal. If you only heard one, you’d be more than happy. I think in a studio setting, that’s where one would be most concerned. Obviously price is a major concern for the average Joe. But it’s still a great comparison. And really interesting how each amp can really hold its own.
I think you should have Eq'd them to be similar. The big jtm45 sounded too mudcy, which is likely fixed with a bit of twiddling. Nothing wrong with eq matching before a comparison
I purchased a boss, ir200, and an origin 50. I loved the 50, so much i came here and took a dump on the boss. I was wrong it's fun, and it's cool, and it doesn't sound as good as the real thing, but it still sounds fantastic, and i can play any style i want and sound good. And after actually paying attention to your video on you, guys were 100% honest. If you're on a budget, get the origin 50. You can play it in you're room it will sound good on 3 watts, and no one will hate you. If you can get a head and cab. It fills the room better than a combo. Also, get the boss it's better than any of the sim combos, imho. I've purchased all the big names and returned them all. Not ir200. It's not going anywhere.
But since i feel bad for leaving a negative comment, I'm going to purchase a guitar, and i shouldn't, but i have a problem, probably another amp! You're welcome!
That jtm studio sounds amazing
Thank you for these comparative tests and materials of all kinds. It's always very friendly and informative and allowed me to know and want to buy equipment that I would probably never have tried on my own like the Poly Verbs or understand the interest of certain effects. I wish you 60 more years l,,/
Once again, I say that I'm using the sv20 since it came out and it's a great clean amp that takes pedals very well. I'm eyeing the studio jtm tho just because I am curious
Cool shootout! They sound all great. If I could I would like to have all of them!!! So it’s so hard to decide which of them will be the next invest 🙈. Stay tuned - greetings from Germany
Love these amp shoot out vids 👍. Lee @ 42:11 "Holy Mother of..." I frequently say the same thing when I play the little sister 😂
In regard to the "flub". A compensation of the EQ controls on the amp will absolutely remove that "flub"
A JTM circuit is a little spongey and looser on the lower frequencies anyway. They can also be a little wooley if you just set everything at 12 o'clock.
All of those amps are incredibly great !!
Victory sounds killer. I've been waiting since September for my JTM 20 Head to show up. Sorry lads. I ordered it from a Canadian distributor where I live.
IMO the JTM 45 still does the Marshall thing best of the bunch, even better than the Tone King; it has a bottom end thump the other's just don't have. The JTM 20 is the first to get mushy, that's a disappointment. The Tone King is 2nd best behind the JTM 45, great amp with a lot of features, but missing that bottom end thump of the JTM. The Victory is lacking in bottom end compared to the rest of these amps; makes it easy to avoid getting mushy if you just cut all the bottom end out, add some more low end to it and it would probably get mushy like the JTM 20. The Friedman is nice, nicer than the JTM 20, but there's a cost to it. Overall, the JTM 45 still reigns king, IMO of course, YMMV. BTW, now way the Friedman is 20 watts, you cannot get 20 watts out of a pair of EL84's, it's probably 15 - 18 watts max. Same thing with the Victory, you cannot get 25 watts out of a pair of EL86's, it's probably very close to the Friedman, you can maybe get a couple of watts more but that's it, not really enough to be audible. Anyway, good video, love Pete's playing! What a great resource to have there for these videos.
Tone King for the win
Aah, fun and good-sounding video! But since only the Marshalls is 4-input amps I think you also should've tested them only connected to the brighter input. The bright input on JTM45 is nowhere as bright as on, lets say, the "plexi" 1987x where jumping bright/normal inputs is almost a must.
Marshall JTM 45... the BEST! 🔥☄️🎸
I don't know which one I prefer because Pete makes everything sound amazing😏🤘The takeaway from this video for me is Pete is a very tasty player 👍
this video is exquisite
JTM45 2245 Vintage Reissue all the way.
There's something wrong with me... because I'm growing to love that JTM studio, it just has tons of character. The original is nice, but the rest can stay in the shops.
Second time watching this. Kinda think this should have included the dirty shirley, or twin sister too. The small amps have less bass response. I'm sure this is at least in part to do with the size of the output transformer. Would like to hear the more powerful Friedman shirley amp in context to the Marshall. Still, good demo. Great playing, and great amps.