Can Building Muscle Actually Hurt Your Jiu-Jitsu Game? - Kama Vlog

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Комментарии • 172

  • @JamesJohnson-fb1sg
    @JamesJohnson-fb1sg 5 лет назад +44

    So you're saying power lifting is why my gas tank is the size of a thimble. Cool, I thought I was going to have to quit smoking. My wife is gonna be pissed though.

    • @JayJitz
      @JayJitz 5 лет назад +2

      James Johnson I believe smoking does affect your gas tank tho. Being in the medical field, i know in the base of science that smoking affects your respiratory which diminishes your way of breathing and giving your body the proper oxygen it needs especially in jiujitsu.
      We have a purple belt who is pretty damn good but we all know to weather the storm and soon he will gas out and will be left to just defending more than attacking.
      I believe Professor Ryan is saying that there is that we need to find that happy middle ground of muscle mass to our body type. As a blue belt, I stopped lifting heavy weights to gain muscle mass because as a 5’5” 158lbs, my body will require more oxygen for those muscles. The bigger the muscle, the more oxygen they need. Less muscle, less oxygen it needs which saves me a lot more in my tank. I am working on endurance now and technique more than anything. Another thing he pointed out is that it depends what’s your goal, whether body building or jiujitsu.
      Lol I can talk days about this but I hope it brought light to your dilemma :) good luck in training brother!

    • @jamesbishop4183
      @jamesbishop4183 4 года назад

      @Full Circle Jiu Jitsu lol, hell yea them patches work. Added bonus from the patches are vibrant, intense dreams.....winwin

    • @michaelbanks2401
      @michaelbanks2401 3 года назад

      I know Gordon Ryan lifts pretty heavy but I don't know if he smokes

  • @TheMartinBishop
    @TheMartinBishop 5 лет назад +34

    And this right here is why my athletes train for strength or power, not size. I know quite a few people who are stronger, pound for pound, than bigger athletes with more muscle mass. Strength is a product of neural drive (and yes, there are the arguments about muscle cross-section, etc), first and foremost. Hypertrophy training is all well and good for aesthetics, but when shit gets thick, I'd rather myself and my clients/students/pupils have real world working strength than pretty, yet less functional size.
    Great post, professor!

    • @fewhavestrength
      @fewhavestrength 5 лет назад +5

      yes right, weight lifting is quite different from weight training, people just don't get it. however you also need to stop using that ridiculous word "functional". every training is functional. one more point, hypertrophy is also obtained through max and sub max lifting "Zatsiorsky".

    • @TheMartinBishop
      @TheMartinBishop 5 лет назад +3

      @@fewhavestrength I understand your argument re the much overplayed 'functional' term. I'm using it here in the manner that Chek, Boyle, and Cook meant it, which is contextual. In this context, I'm just referring to the strength employed in grappling arts, specifically jits. And yes, Zatsiorsky, Verkhoshansky, and Siff all cover max and sub-max H/T protocols in their writings, but how many folks here are going to take that deep dive, and instead think bodybuilding splits and sets of 10 when they think mass gain?
      But, yeah, completely agree with you on how so many have abused the 'functional' thing. They need to stop it.

    • @fewhavestrength
      @fewhavestrength 5 лет назад +1

      @sienna three read a science book, you can't see strength it's neural.

    • @fewhavestrength
      @fewhavestrength 5 лет назад +1

      @sienna three you're nearly there it's called "specificity" this is how athletes should train!

    • @canadiannavigator3346
      @canadiannavigator3346 5 лет назад +1

      Robert Pingatore ... Just read your post ... EXCELLENT !
      1. 5x5
      2. KB Circuit Training
      3. Tabata

  • @M.V85
    @M.V85 5 лет назад +23

    Rickson Graice was pretty jacked in his prime

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад +14

      He was always in killer shape. But he was never “jacked.” Also, he didn’t hit the gym. He would occasionally use rubber bands, but his workout was almost entirely bodyweight in nature.

    • @dragonballjiujitsu
      @dragonballjiujitsu 5 лет назад +2

      @@KamaJiuJitsu He was still considered about 30 pounds over weight by most Drs. I think it would be safe to say he could have easily carried 15 more pounds of muscle and the only difference would have been he would have suddenly had KO power. I doubt he would have lost his Jiu-jitsu ability.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад +4

      “30lbs by most doctors?”
      Kinda like how “95% of scientists agree that man made global warming (err, climate change) is a thing.
      The truth is, you are what you are.

    • @dragonballjiujitsu
      @dragonballjiujitsu 5 лет назад +4

      Kama Jiu-Jitsu Hey, I think we see eye to eye when it comes to the “climate change“thing lol. Seriously though, at 5‘9“ the “charts“that the doctors use say that you should weigh between 148 and 152.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад +3

      lol. i'm messin with you.
      i've always been "obese" on the insurance charts.

  • @natesnathan1
    @natesnathan1 5 лет назад +14

    I think if he gained the 15 pounds too quickly without also training to increase his VO2 max at the same rate or close then yes. He can condition now at that weight so his body adapts to the muscle but it takes awhile.

    • @GravisTKD
      @GravisTKD 5 лет назад +5

      As an exercise science teacher, I was pleased to see this comment. It's one of the more accurate and intelligent ones in this thread, I think. People are firing off all kinds of anecdotes without accounting for the confounders of the type of cardiovascular training that someone is engaging in *while* bulking up. If someone trains to gain muscle without paying attention to their endurance work, it won't be surprising that their conditioning on the mat will start to suffer. If someone prioritizes their training the right way and takes their time, however, there is no rule saying that they can't gain muscle and maintain their endurance (or even improve it).
      This is assuming that they aren't already at an extreme of conditioning/size/strength based on their genetic potential.

  • @threethrushes
    @threethrushes 5 лет назад +5

    As a recreational hockey player, hitting the gym for 12-18 months was a waste of time.
    Did I put on muscle? Yes, around 10-15lbs.
    For me, time on technique (skating/stick handling) helped my game far more.
    For elite players, strength and size does matter, but not for 98 per cent of players.

  • @thebeast9606
    @thebeast9606 5 лет назад +5

    So, Galvao, Jacare, Gordon Ryan, Palhares are all doing it wrong...???

  • @TrayCaddyyy
    @TrayCaddyyy 2 года назад +1

    Training for performance is the way to go. Training for purely for size and aesthetics won’t really help as much. So I agree on that point.
    The guy who is well muscled, has good BJJ skills, and can move well will also perform well.

  • @sanbeats8099
    @sanbeats8099 5 лет назад +9

    4:08 He stops doing as much cardio to take in more calories, and in turn his cardiovascular endurance gets worse. I don't understand how you think it's just because he gained muscle.

    • @ArminEghdamiDrums
      @ArminEghdamiDrums 5 лет назад +1

      Yes i was also thinking that. This argument doesn't make much sense. If he would have kept his cardio training up at the same level he would have adapted. Just look at mma fighters. They are suuuuuper jacked but they still have amazing cardio.

    • @Joe11Blue
      @Joe11Blue 4 года назад

      That's how it works.

  • @sabakimsg
    @sabakimsg 5 лет назад +2

    "(when) you're lighter you move better" ABSOLUTELY TRUE... what people don't understand is a heavier and bigger body (regardless if it muscular or fat) requires a lot of effort and energy to move.

  • @casperthegst
    @casperthegst 2 года назад +1

    this is a great video and spot on

  • @neil4042
    @neil4042 5 лет назад +5

    Being a big gentleman myself (6’4”-250lbs) I can confirm that it is rough being so large and in charge while rolling. Not only do I have the stamina of a deceased slug but I also have rolling partners who think that my Thicc stature gives them license to go all in on trying to tap me. Another problem with my size is when I try to use strength I often find myself in quite the predicament (chokes for days).
    TLDR: big ok’ grizzly boys get beat on #lifeisrough

    • @ctsd623
      @ctsd623 3 года назад

      Little guys have to endure much more wear, tear, bangs, bruises, tendinitis and discomfort rolling with mostly people larger than themselves, than a larger guy that mostly rolls with much smaller opponents. Basic physics.

  • @MonacoRocha
    @MonacoRocha 3 года назад +1

    Ryan .. You Must Be A Great Teacher !!! I'm Sure you are ..!

  • @chrishanl3y
    @chrishanl3y 5 лет назад +3

    John Danaher explains this very well and he uses the concept that size in Jiu-Jistu is an advantage being big than the opponent is an advantage but when you have more strength you will use strength more. So being stronger is better but you have to still rely on technique instead of using the increased strength to escape or get the submission. the video he explains this in is called John Danaher talks Gordon Ryan transformation

  • @dula4552
    @dula4552 5 лет назад +2

    Yep agree, great talk thanks Ryan! One thing i've found is i can push the upper limit of that weight bracket by increasing my cardio capacity and dropping the fat levels (dead weight). However i'll also have to push the yoga/stretching side of things else the trade off starts coming to the floor with stiffness, lack of mobility etc... All a matter of balance and getting the right benefit, input and drawback ratio for your strengths, priorities, weakness and goals! Conversely you have people that are too skinny, but have great mobility, flexibility and cardio and spending alot of time doing cardio and yoga would likewise have similar drawbacks. They'd likely be better spending more time building some strength and a bit of size. :-)

  • @naadabindu
    @naadabindu 5 лет назад +5

    Different ways to train with weights. You can train heavy for cardio. You can train for strength without bulk. Takes less time. I think in general you want a high strength to weight ratio. Bulk for strength is not an absolute or advise able. Your example of sprinting is perfect because they train intensively for strength but it takes relatively little time to do that in comparison to all the other training that they do.

  • @sflores1985
    @sflores1985 5 лет назад +2

    It all comes down to your mindset in my opinion. If you're competing then yes you should not over do the lifting and focus more on your technique. However if you are training solely on self defense, I believe you should have some size and strength to compliment your technique. Size can intimidate or make an opponent think twice as well as adding a doubt in their mind psychologically. You can also use your strength to execute your technique more effectively as well as making your attacker or opponent feel your strength adding another psychological impediment to their game and make them abandon their attack. I believe your technique and timing will get better over the years of training making your game more efficient and effortless as your physicality and power diminishes as you get older. Their is the trade off it comes naturally with time.

  • @hasanicoward4425
    @hasanicoward4425 5 лет назад +4

    I learned after my 20's to change my workout using bodyweight training and lifting light weight's being just to add 10lbs I also started using Dr.Rhadi Ferguson's workout

  • @richsenyor6641
    @richsenyor6641 5 лет назад +1

    all due respect professor your proof is anecdotal - I can point to everyone who lifts and wins world championships or adcc titles

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад +1

      Well then, don’t forget to point out their pharmaceutical aids, as well.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      Because without them, there’s no way that their body can recover from all that stress of training how they train.

  • @SD-lf3rw
    @SD-lf3rw 4 года назад +1

    Hi Ryan. IMHO all depends on age, and goals in JJ. Maybe for young jitsers not so important to gym and better make focus on technics development especially, but for aged-one surely it is becoming important. Since we age, we are losing muscles. Proper specialized gym is not equal to bodybuilding at all. I have background of endurance sports and believe me, in order to enhance performance in running/ cycling or swimming gym is must. If we look at year does it mean that gym should be done in the same way all over the year? No, absolutely no! There's periodization in place, where some months of year (3-4) you can dedicate to power/weight increase with small numbers of reps, while other just to maintain or develop other sides of your muscles e.g.small weight and bigger number of reps. And some of the months can be dedicated to pure cardio training, like interval workouts in anaerobic zones. Brothers Diaz were doing from time to time Olympic distance triatlon competitions. So to conclude the above subject, I would not fully buy that gym is bad and useless for JJ. Proper and smart program considering goals and age should absolutely increase performance in JJ. It would not be immediately, but with discipline and persistence, the result will be in place. If JJ is long time game, the attitude to gym shall be the same!

  • @bbrinkerly9351
    @bbrinkerly9351 2 года назад +1

    So, we're all just gonna ignore that, in his prime, Rickson Gracie was fuckin jacked?

  • @storytime6263
    @storytime6263 5 лет назад +1

    I have been saying this for years! Thank you!

  • @michaelbond7213
    @michaelbond7213 5 лет назад +3

    While you acknowledge there is a reasonable range of musculature, I think there are a few variables you didn't get into that would be helpful to make explicit.
    As for the friend in your example: was all of the weight gained muscle? Did he gas out partly due to pre-exhaustion from weight training? How long has he had to adjust his conditioning to his new size? Often there are different demands on one's body during a phase when muscle is being built than there are once weight training is reduced to a maintenance level. How long has he had to adjust his technique to his new size? Muscle burns a lot more energy when in use than when relaxed, so is your friend relying more on muscle now? Have some elements of his game improved due to increased strength?
    If your jiu jitsu focus is on self defense, might there be elements that are improved due to increased strength that aren't easily reflected in your training such as: stand up elements, weapon defense or disarm techniques that are strength dependent, increased resistance to knock outs or chokes from increased neck muscle that aren't encountered in normal training due to tapping or even deterrence of attackers resulting from appearing more muscular?
    As others have said, gas tank in training is not a direct proxy for success in jiu jitsu. The strength and stamina trade off might be good or bad in one type of competition, have a different result in another competitive format and a third result in real self defense. Which is jiu jitsu?
    Reduced ability to train might limit you over time, but how long do you think a gas tank should last in training to maximize development? Might there be benefits to learning what gassing out feels like and how to fight through it if you previously had effectively unlimited stamina?
    As others have said, strength can be trained through weight training independently of muscle mass to a degree because of its neurological and vascular components. Do you have an opinion on this?
    For those who are low in musculature, possibly because of young age, is jiu jitsu training enough or might someone like this benefit from wieght training to add muscle faster, which might allow them to train jiu jitsu more effectively sooner?
    You gave your own example and a few others have discussed Rickson's training approach, but do you know whether top competitors include weight training?
    This point is a cliche, but there are weight classes in competition for a reason. Not all of the difference in classes is due to frame size, some of it is just the benefits of more muscle on a similar frame.
    In the strength training world there are widely accepted maximum achievable muscle mass values for people with low (~10%) body fat percentages (steroids and higher body fat will drive that figure higher) for given height and bone structure. My guess is that the body weight implied by those maximums would match pretty closely with your reasonable range, and that your gas tank concerns result from a mix of higher body fat some people need to add muscle, reduced cardio training and higher pre-exhaustion while building muscle and lack of adjustment in technique for a more muscular build.

    • @cesaralvesdemoraes3187
      @cesaralvesdemoraes3187 5 лет назад +1

      I think you are right, he has too much of a purist aproach. Most my training bros who compete weight lift and I felt a significant difference (for the better) in their game when they started doing that

  • @Artist21st
    @Artist21st 3 года назад +1

    Over muscled. No. Condensed muscle mass is good. Strength is important along with cardio conditioning. Muscular Strength is important. You don't need to add 10 or 15 pounds for strength. Five pounds can make a big difference.

  • @Bradley9967
    @Bradley9967 Год назад +2

    Why would a male beat a female skill being the same?
    Is it because of lung size, that he is the size he is meant to be or bigger heart?

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  Год назад +1

      All things being equal, the man will be stronger, faster.

  • @originalcrapshoot
    @originalcrapshoot 4 года назад +1

    I think the difference in working out is speed & power/strength & conditioning vs. strictly mass. To use Bolt as an example, his thighs are the size of most body builders but he doesn't just squat.

  • @davetuscani
    @davetuscani 5 лет назад +1

    What’s up Ryan ? First off keep up the great work really appreciate your videos. I agree with you, but when I stopped working out, I started getting hurt at the academy. Shoulders and back injuries. So I didn’t get what I could’ve last year because of it. I started going back to the gym to to strengthen my shoulders , I haven’t gotten hurt the last 3 months . I do have to admit that I’ve been doing high rep lighter weights. And running 3 miles 3x’s a week. That’s helped BIG TIME. Just thought I’d share my experience. 🤙🏽

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      Thanks for your contribution to the discussion!

  • @duncansutherland47
    @duncansutherland47 5 лет назад +2

    Not gassing out and pushing myself under pressure seems to be everything right now for me. I’m flexible and fast, I always have been. I lift just to help keep me in shape in between rolling (not for bulk), along with yoga at home. None of that means anything if I have nothing in my tank. At the most I can only train two to three times a week. Do you have any suggestions to help me? Thank you as always for your content!

  • @antwanali3484
    @antwanali3484 4 года назад +1

    That short term thinking. it takes time to adjust to any big body change of more that 5 to 10pounds.

  • @ActiveDutyRealtor
    @ActiveDutyRealtor 5 лет назад +1

    I’m currently doing a strength and conditioning program created by Andre Galvao and his team, (Gi specific). It’s nothing special, basic strength workouts with typical reps and sets range. But he’s jacked, and he does pretty well. But I also take stretches out of Eddie Bravos books... the ones I can do anyway.
    Strength isn’t a necessity, but typically 2 people who roll with equal skill, the stronger and conditioned will win

  • @lb8313
    @lb8313 5 лет назад +6

    I've found stationary cycling with high/low bursts of intensity have helped... it mimics BJJ's explosive style. Other than that DDP yoga. Great point, more muscle mass would mean you'd fatigue faster... more cells in use, more energy used. Seems like training for endurance /strength rather than bulky mass may be good for some.

  • @theonewhoknocks2809
    @theonewhoknocks2809 5 лет назад +1

    Sacrificing mobility for muscle mass is an absolute no go

  • @greganderson4901
    @greganderson4901 3 года назад +1

    His game wasnt what it was. But it was very good before. He is still good. Now he has extra size and strength for a sself defense situation. You havent. Said he is less capable of defending himself. He just cant train as long against a conditioning coach

  • @ianj4389
    @ianj4389 3 года назад +1

    I didn't really think about it in terms of building muscle versus building endurance. I think of it in terms of spending more time lifting weight or conditioning versus on the mat drilling techniques and rolling.
    But if it's a matter of doing extra conditioning then building cardio and endurance is definitely better than building muscle and strength in my opinion for jiu jitsu in terms of self-defense.

  • @Methodius7
    @Methodius7 2 года назад +1

    Sure he gases earlier but the real question for effectives is if it helps him to get that first submission faster and easier. If yes than it helps in real life but not in training.

    • @jorndoff2002
      @jorndoff2002 2 дня назад

      Interesting view. In the street we are wrestling for that first submission or knockout and not to do an hour of rolling.

  • @lauranceboyd6365
    @lauranceboyd6365 5 лет назад +1

    You can lift as long as you keep up your conditioning. If you want to bulk bulk slowly and focus on the lower body if you want to build mass and just increase your calorie intake with mostly plant based foods. Put on 15 lbs this way in about 6 months at the same body fat but after starting cardio again, I am regretting neglecting it.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      Not mostly with plant based foods.

  • @williamperez9827
    @williamperez9827 4 года назад +1

    I think you are spot on.

  • @seebeyondfit2995
    @seebeyondfit2995 5 лет назад +1

    I train with kettlebells and bodyweight /TRX I train for performance with boxing background there a way to gain but with performance training... A bodybuilder that's something else

  • @macleod1592
    @macleod1592 5 лет назад +1

    I can vouch for this. I'm a 46 year old 260 pound weightlifter (about 25 pounds is fat) and the last couple of years I get gassed walking out to the mailbox!

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      oh, dang!
      but you're less than 10% bodyfat!

    • @macleod1592
      @macleod1592 5 лет назад +1

      @@KamaJiuJitsu HAHA a little more than that. OK so maybe it's more like 35 pounds fat....ok maybe 40 lol

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      😂

    • @jims512
      @jims512 5 лет назад +1

      +Axe - you must be bigger than one of the purple belts in the Roy Dean “Pure Rolling” Doc on Amazon Prime. Ever saw that? It’s free. I would like to see a Kama JJ narrated sparring video.

  • @lawrencehamm1478
    @lawrencehamm1478 5 лет назад +2

    Getting too big could be detrimental. But you may need to work out to keep healthy from the wear and tear.

  • @joeallen2354
    @joeallen2354 5 лет назад +1

    Ok, this video nailed it. Strength training does help jujitsu or at least its helping mine.

  • @mediocremouse405
    @mediocremouse405 3 года назад +2

    Could this problem be self correcting overtime?

  • @theonewhoknocks2809
    @theonewhoknocks2809 5 лет назад +2

    From my experience strength only helps with defending submissions and is not good for attacking.

  • @inigmaman1
    @inigmaman1 5 лет назад +1

    Hey Ryan! I'm still gassing out after 2yrs even though, I've lost about 25lbs. No gym or body weight training, just 3-4 times a week drilling and sparing. I don't feel I need the muscle for the most part, but could use it to help push or pull someone out of position. I know if I was faster in transition, my "T" would be better, but it's been a challenge. I went up against a new student today 6'2" and about 240lbs he's a firefighter and in his thirties, 20" biceps etc. I'm 5'10" and 215 and 55yrs old. He was gassing after about 30 seconds of doing 1 minute drills. I was fine in the beginning, but started breathing hard after about 30 minutes into the training session. In the end, he was able to get out of side-control, and I put him back into guard. BUT I WAS DONE! In a couple of months this guy will crush me! Any tips?

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      30 min! that's awesome!
      BUT, if you're asking me (which you may not, which is ok), i would tell you that at a height of 5'10", under 190lbs is a good weight to work with.

    • @inigmaman1
      @inigmaman1 5 лет назад +1

      Yes, I agree. I'm focused on the under 200lb. goal. Hard to loose at my age, even if I starve myself.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      ruclips.net/video/D8AFm_aKLf4/видео.html

    • @inigmaman1
      @inigmaman1 5 лет назад +1

      I never had 'fasting' explained that way. I'll give a try and see what happens. Thanks Ryan!!

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      look up Dr James Fung. he's an authority on the subject and way more knowledgeable and articulate on the subject.

  • @MrSteveBrah
    @MrSteveBrah 5 лет назад +4

    would you say, that it's safe to say, some people are just freaks of nature and most people aren't freaks of nature?

  • @russellward4624
    @russellward4624 5 лет назад +1

    Another thing to consider is how your body changed your game. A lot of the stronger guys end up relying on it more which probably is the biggest reason for the loss of cardio. While the lighter guys focus more on technique and how to get by without the power the other have. So if someone was to gain mass and not change their game I wonder if there would be a noticeable negative? if that’s even possible?

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      If someone has a “small man” game and they get big, they’ll still have a small man game, but the added weight and strength will make it even better. Think about the Gracies today (like Roger, Ryron, Rener) vs their fathers and grandfathers.

    • @russellward4624
      @russellward4624 5 лет назад +1

      Kama Jiu-Jitsu I disagree. Matt Serra for instance has totally changed his game since he went in TRT. I’m sure you’re aware of his game before. Now he focuses on kimura and other techniques he never used before.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      Matt Serra is a badass.

  • @gormok9558
    @gormok9558 4 года назад +1

    But is there a way to keep a decent amount of muscle mass and build your gas tank?I love bjj but I also love power lifting and putting on some muscles.
    like the way 200 pounds plus guys can roll for more than 10minutes for a match is good enough for me for now

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  4 года назад

      Here’s a good example of what I’m referring to. Watch til the end. ruclips.net/video/_x5ycQ1mOyI/видео.html

  • @martialartsclub2032
    @martialartsclub2032 5 лет назад +2

    If your a big guy muscle or fat just try to submission fast so u don't have to drag it out.

  • @scottrogers1493
    @scottrogers1493 3 года назад +1

    "muscles got bigger..but lungs didn't...so he gassed out" (trying to say that more muscle is taxing to carry). That's not really how it works. VO2 max correlates imperfectly to body muscle. Muscle isn't making you tired.
    What's making you tired is the 10 lbs of fat you put on for the 5 lbs of more muscle. *That* is what gasses you out. It's almost impossible to add muscle without also adding fat at the same time, and usually more of it. That's why bulking and cutting in phases is a thing. It's the fat tissue that tires you out.
    An NFL linebacker or running back--huge muscle with 12% body fat-- has better cardio than anybody in a common jiu-jitsu gym. I promise. Not gassing, despite carrying big weight.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  3 года назад

      Says the triathlete...

    • @scottrogers1493
      @scottrogers1493 3 года назад +1

      @@KamaJiuJitsu not sure what that's supposed to mean. Gold medal powerlifter and long time military myself, with cardio for days.. I enjoy your material and learn a lot. Appreciate what you offer very much.
      Just pointing out that nobody "adds 15 lbs of muscle." They add 5 lbs of muscle and 10 pounds of fat. That's the realistic biology of hypertrophy and strength training in a caloric surplus... That's why that "15 lbs of muscle" makes you tire. You're carrying 10 pounds of dead weight. Every time.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  3 года назад

      Look at the way an endurance athlete is built.

    • @scottrogers1493
      @scottrogers1493 3 года назад +1

      @@KamaJiuJitsu Endurance athlete builds aren't mutually exclusive with muscular builds having cardio (rolling) capacity. This is now getting off into the difference of AMP Kinase and MTOR signaling pathways.. The reason there aren't huge, bulky endurance athletes isn't so much because of a negative of carrying muscle weight. AMP Kinase is the metabolic signaling trigger for endurance adaptations, caused by endurance training. It blunts hypertrophy. Meanwhile, MTOR is a trigger pathway of hypertrophy. MTOR is not mutually exclusive to cardio capacity and VO2 max, while conversely, AMP-K signaling is negatively correlated against high strength and muscle.
      And then, on builds, you get into a discussion of muscle fiber types. Red muscle being bigger than white muscle, and you build what you train. And then, there's a lot of evidence of hybrid muscle types, developed from cross training. So yes, strength athletes can develop muscular endurance on top of their fine cardio.
      You're drawing correlation that may exist, but it's a lower correlation than these other reasons.

  • @shawnmartin1306
    @shawnmartin1306 5 лет назад +1

    I actually agree. Did powerlifting and bodybuilding for 15 years. Started bjj
    and had to stop lifting. 6”1 285 pretty solid-yeah didn’t help lol More muscle requires much more effort to keep going. So smaller guys just wait until I’m gased then go hard. I agree with this video

    • @BigThunderMan
      @BigThunderMan 5 лет назад +1

      Shawn Martin Yeah, but he didn’t go to 285. Putting on 15 pounds of muscle and keeping up your cardio isn’t impossible, it should just be a net positive if he did it right.

  • @personofinterest7918
    @personofinterest7918 5 лет назад +9

    You have to change your style to match your strengths.

  • @JCBPARISPARIS
    @JCBPARISPARIS 5 лет назад +1

    You have many, many ways of conditioning. If you practise bij you need a specific conditioning. As a fresh white belt I recently decided to make conditioning for just a few months (not more). The coach of my gym practises bjj, is a bb in judo, teach judo, sambo. He made to me a good program.
    If you don't have this kind of coach buy a good book about conditioning, I suggest Frederic Delavier books, especially the one adapted for the fight or mma.
    And of course don't train like a common bodybuilder.

  • @marcobala9284
    @marcobala9284 3 года назад +1

    What about calisthenics?

  • @lawrencehamm1478
    @lawrencehamm1478 5 лет назад +2

    I don't think working out would be detrimental to BJJ.

  • @kenpostudent702
    @kenpostudent702 Год назад +1

    I think that it is possible to gain strength without gaining the type of increase in muscle mass that would cause an athlete to lose stamina, especially with alternating heavy strength and light lifting cycles coupled with plyometrics and HIIT cardio. Strength training and bodybuilder training are not coterminous.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  Год назад

      I have to look “coterminous” up…

    • @kenpostudent702
      @kenpostudent702 Год назад +1

      @@KamaJiuJitsu It means the two concepts are not logically linked. In other words, strength training can be done to achieve maximal genetic strength, whatever that happens to be for the individual, without drastically increasing muscle mass. So, bodybuilders increase size by consuming massive amounts of protein (and often steroids). Without the protein consumption, they would still get stronger but they wouldn’t achieve the same size gains. Also, Olympic lifts don’t necessarily create size gains. Every member of a football team does primarily the same Olympic lifts. Yet, wide receivers and defensive backs aren’t getting jacked the way defensive linemen and offensive linemen do. That is partly due to genetics. But it’s also because receivers and defensive backs do a lot more cardio. If you’re doing HIIT cardio along with Olympic lifts, you’re not likely to gain tons of size because you’re probably burning the calories need to fuel the size gains.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  Год назад

      Are linemen and linebackers typically stronger than receivers and DBs?

    • @kenpostudent702
      @kenpostudent702 Год назад +1

      @@KamaJiuJitsu Yes. But, it depends. Jalen Hurts can squat 600 lbs as a QB. Lineman need back-up mass, so that’s what they lift for. A wide receiver typically will do all the same lifts as the linemen, albeit often at much lower weights, and still remain fast, agile, and flexible. I will note that EVERY even D3 cornerback lifts heavier than I do and doesn’t get either huge, slow, or inflexible. So, I surmise that my very modest lifting routine probably won’t hurt my BJJ or Judo. But, in all fairness to you, Professor, we can revisit this issue in a year or two and see where I am.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  Год назад

      Keep on lifting. Nothing wrong with that.
      Suffice to say, it’s a sliding scale, more muscular, less cardio. Less muscular, more cardio.
      It all depends on your objective. If you wanna be able to go REALLY hard, go big and strong. If you wanna go really long, don’t go so big and so strong.
      An example, metamoris 1 - Ryron vs Galvao.
      There are always going to be exceptions, but they’re EXCEPTIONS, not the rule.
      Most of us keyboard warriors fall in “the rule,” and are not exceptions, dontcha think?

  • @zivot92
    @zivot92 5 лет назад +1

    Well said.. try to stay around your genetic norms..
    P.S. When i think back to yesterday when i saw myself into mirrorr i was.. fking hell i am so muscular feels like more then what i am supposed to be.. can't rly tell how i do in hard rolling sessions since just coming back from injury and i was limiting my rolling to 2-3 eventually 4x6 after 2.5h open mat/class then sparing.. nd feel like i could going on but need to limit myself till fully recover.. gym was my way to go so i was doing 3-4 time gym 3-4 time jitsu ( quality one though, normal class/advanced + some roll if any ) so even if i do less jitsu i am more effective when i do.. and feels like my brain is doing way better this way of less training then when i was grainding every day..now actually having time to think about jitsu details way more effectivelly and making up staff from nothing -.-

  • @dragonballjiujitsu
    @dragonballjiujitsu 5 лет назад +4

    Ok lets look at this realistically. Is a big gas tank important? Of course. Now, lets say I gain 30 pounds of muscle (an extreme example) and instead of being able to grappple for 30 mins non-stop I can only go for 15. I lost half my cardio right? What did I gain? The ability to inflict more damage on my attacker in a real fight in a short amount of time. I think it was Helio himself that said something about a 30 pound muscular weight advantage making up for a belt rank. Now, lets get real here for a second. How long does a typical "street fight" last? Maybe one min? Maybe less when ppl try to break it up? I have been in a few and seen literally hundreds of real, honest to god street fights (thanks to my former jobs) and I don't think I have ever seen a real fight last more than 2 minutes, 3 max. So If I can still go for 15 mins am I ready for the UFC no! But a typical fight against a typical person? More than ready. Most ppl who come into my academy and roll for the first time can go 2 mins max before they puke. So if I'm training for self defense (real Gracie Jiu-jitsu) explain to me again how being 3 times stronger than my attacker is a bad thing? Rickson Graice in his prime was around 185 at 5'9" thats considered 30 pounds overweight for his height. He seemed to have done pretty well. I'm 5"9" and right now 220 and I can grapple for about 45 mins. Can I go longer when I trim down? Sure. At 190 I can go for an hour straight. But to what end? Why do I realistically need to be able to grapple for an hour or more? Weighing 150 pounds and living off of fruit just to be a little better at jiu-jitsu at my academy? No thanks. lol

    • @clausnow1
      @clausnow1 5 лет назад +1

      you are right my man! big biceps are more importanter!!

    • @dragonballjiujitsu
      @dragonballjiujitsu 5 лет назад +4

      @@clausnow1 Thats not what I said. But if thats what you got from it you may want to re-read.

    • @jchen7782
      @jchen7782 5 лет назад +1

      You don’t teach BJJ stop bsing, being able to roll for an hour is helping your training not a fight. If you actually did BJJ you’d know during live rolling people roll for many 5 min rounds, having a 3 minute gas tank is gonna prevent you from learning anything

    • @dragonballjiujitsu
      @dragonballjiujitsu 5 лет назад +2

      J Chen Actually I do. Maybe you should do a little bit of research before posting a stupid comment? Plus did you even bother to read what I said?

    • @jonathanwilliams1746
      @jonathanwilliams1746 5 лет назад

      dragonballjiujitsu you are right but I think he’s saying if you’re gonna compete

  • @HenchPig
    @HenchPig 3 года назад +2

    A whole lotta shit was spoken in this video. If you don't know anything about S&C, don't talk about it.

  • @CloseThatBackdoor
    @CloseThatBackdoor 4 года назад +1

    Don't forget the strain it put's on your bones and the natural tissue between them. watched this during the summer on tv, came to comment on pc.

    • @scottrogers1493
      @scottrogers1493 3 года назад

      Strength training correlates to greater bone density. Absolutely verified.. and joints and ligaments strengthen as well. They take care and attention to not go too fast and allow breaks to heal, but they absolutely develop just like muscle and bone.

  • @muaythaiforever7893
    @muaythaiforever7893 5 лет назад +1

    More muscle means more oxygen absorbed by your muscles. If you do a hiit type of training, you may be ok. Heavy weight lifting involves too much resting in between. Your cardio will suffer

  • @Jasonboyee
    @Jasonboyee 5 лет назад +1

    Want to be good at Jits. More Jits. That's it!

  • @ohdude6643
    @ohdude6643 Год назад +2

    If you goal is to be smashed, then yes.

  • @Eleven-dk4be
    @Eleven-dk4be 5 лет назад +1

    Cardio training helps with BJJ training

  • @MonacoRocha
    @MonacoRocha 3 года назад +1

    Marcelo Garcia Not a Big Guy .... Eddie Bravo Not a Big Guy.. None of the Gracie's are Huge.... Big Muscles Tighten you up....( I think)

  • @MonacoRocha
    @MonacoRocha 3 года назад +1

    Dave Kama not a Muscle Guy . Neither are you Ryan....

  • @jstar6543
    @jstar6543 5 лет назад +1

    To help the professor articulate his point, this is like the ant comparison to the elephant. An ant is a million times smaller than an elephant, but It can lift twice it's body size and an elephant cannot, although the elephant is bigger in size,pound-for-pound the ant is stronger!

    • @Tyfourteen
      @Tyfourteen 5 лет назад +3

      According to different estimates, ants can carry 10 - 50 times their body weight!

    • @jstar6543
      @jstar6543 5 лет назад +1

      @@Tyfourteen I agree, but to play it safe i can only definitely say 2!

    • @cra4079
      @cra4079 5 лет назад +1

      But an ant can't lift an elephant and an elephant can crush an ant.

    • @jstar6543
      @jstar6543 5 лет назад +1

      @@cra4079 this is only a joke, but they did create a movie about a ant being a superhero (ant man 🐜) they never made a movie about an elephant being a superhero!! Lol

    • @cra4079
      @cra4079 5 лет назад +1

      J Star Dumbo

  • @cesaralvesdemoraes3187
    @cesaralvesdemoraes3187 3 года назад +1

    No such thing as a "natural weight". People gas out when they gain weight because it takes time to addapt your energy expenditure to the new muscle.

    • @cesaralvesdemoraes3187
      @cesaralvesdemoraes3187 3 года назад +2

      Btw I gained 30lbs since the beggining of the year and my gas tank has never been better.

    • @michaelbanks2401
      @michaelbanks2401 3 года назад

      At my school I consistently do very well against higher ranks my size and It is because of my strength..
      I squat, dead-lift and bench religiously.. I understand everybody's different and has to find their own happy medium, but weight training is the future of jujitsu, Gordon Ryan, Buchecha ect...
      A lot of old school guys are set in their ways but If people thinks Ricksons muscular physique did not help put him mountains higher than the competition they have officially drank the cool aid.

  • @JWLuiza
    @JWLuiza 5 лет назад +1

    Dude. It’s a cycle. Look at the CrossFit athletes who build huge engines after bulking up.

  • @timbo9549
    @timbo9549 4 года назад +1

    Tell that to Barbosa, Ryan, Rodriguez, Big O Sanchez, Cyborg... all guys who have won adcc titles & ibjjf titles.. all of whom who lift & lift heavy. This is like the old myth about boxers who shouldn’t lift weights cuz it will slow them down. Well look at Tyson & Klitchos. Bunch of BS

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  4 года назад

      How many of them are “enhanced,” enabling them to recover at faster rates than normal?
      At least a couple of them have admitted to enhancements of the pharma kind.
      Without drugs 99% of humans who lift hard and train hard will be completely messed up in the joints, tendons, muscles, and CNS. But for those athletes at that elite level you named, if they’re not enhanced, they’re most definitely in the top 0.001 of all BJJ practitioners as far as recuperative abilities.
      But if you take a needle in your butt cheek, you’re absolutely right.

  • @ryen_exotic
    @ryen_exotic 5 лет назад +1

    Gordon ryan and Nick Rodriguez debunked this video this weekend at ADCC

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      yeah. of course, i didn't mention "pharmaceutical enhancements" in the video, did i? if you naturally build muscle, where normal (vs enhanced) human recovery times come in to play, then the video is completely valid.

    • @ryen_exotic
      @ryen_exotic 5 лет назад +1

      Kama Jiu-Jitsu idk if they use pharmaceuticals to enhance, maybe maybe not 🤷🏽‍♂️ and Andre Galvao is pretty jacked and his muscle didn’t slow him down

    • @ryen_exotic
      @ryen_exotic 5 лет назад +1

      Kama Jiu-Jitsu I honestly really enjoy your videos tho,no negativity from my messages

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      🤷‍♂️
      🤙

  • @kenpostudent702
    @kenpostudent702 Год назад +1

    Is there any sport where being stronger was a detriment? I’ll wait….

  • @MonacoRocha
    @MonacoRocha 3 года назад +1

    Rickson Is Not A Big Guy ...

  • @jwillard911
    @jwillard911 5 лет назад +1

    Muscle brings in ego.

    • @dragonballjiujitsu
      @dragonballjiujitsu 5 лет назад +1

      Not really. No more than looks or money or anything else.

  • @darrynjacobs8550
    @darrynjacobs8550 5 лет назад +1

    Gordon Ryan

  • @ConfidentGrips
    @ConfidentGrips 5 лет назад +1

    La bombba

  • @James-sh7rr
    @James-sh7rr 5 лет назад +1

    CrossFit workouts work the best.