I have just recently bought the 2023 Rusty Pro Board and it is amazing!!! My wife and kids now don't pack their boards anymore... Worth every penny... 1st time clearing the wake on my Rusty board as well...
Happen to be on the phone with Rusty while reading this and he says "I'm absolutely over the moon excited for you and always love getting great feedback! Keep havin fun and hope to connect one of these days, take care!" -Rusty
Hey Shaun, I love the video. Wanted to point out that because the boat is moving you are jumping wake to wake at an angle, and the distance is a little farther when you increase speed (measuring about the same 1s-1.3s of airtime). Using 1s the boat travels 29.33 feet in that second at 20 mph and at 22 mph it travels 32.27 feet. On the horizontal distance traveled that puts it much closer to your estimate at 39.86 feet at 20 or 42 ft at 22mph. So you can both be right I think .
YES!!! I knew someone would come in with this and you did it pretty quickly Jeff! Wasn't until I was editing that I started processing forward movement and thinking about how we are traveling more than the wake to wake distance. I actually mention this in the description of the video but I love the fact that you have the actual numbers! Thanks Jeff!
Doesn't hang time play a factor? For instance if you just skip across the wakes as low as possible won't you go less far than if you hang it out there with height with more time in the air being pulled forward by the boat (but landing on the downside of the wake). Would love to see a video where you truly track distance jumped from take off point on the water to true landing point down the lake. JB did a high jump, but we need a long jump video!!
Hey Jeff - At 1 second of hang time, 21 mph and a diagonal travel distance of 41' the rider speed is 28 mph. What do you think of that Jeff? Not sure hang time is an accurate way to calculate rider speed across the wake, because height and hang time can vary from a little to a lot depending on wake height and rider pop. Can you figure a good way to calculate rider speed when airing? At a given boat speed, say 21mph and rope length say 65, Rusty cutting and airing across the wake will be travelling at a different speed over ground than me airing across the wake.
All good banter on here. What we were going for was the distance from wake to wake. I think another edit on "how far are we really traveling" could be interesting as well.
Oh yeah so sweet guys. Love it. I'm jumping roughly 27 feet. Missing that fun being up north in MN. You got your house and boat lift back all good after Ian. Nice. Keep them coming
Hey Shaun! This really blew my mind! I have been riding at 65 feet for the longest time. The few times I've tried 70' we didn't bump up the speed but now I can't wait to go out and try going a bit faster with the longer rope. Can you tell me what the name of your flip at 9:44 is? It's the only inverted trick i've been able to land and I'm not sure what it's called. Thanks for all the fun, entertaining and informative content!
Stopped to Comment 24'. I also love Rusty's board! It's so sleek. It was awesome to see him in the Red Bull Double or Nothing tourney, and of course you too Shawn!
Wow! I'm kinda blown away at how close they are. Will have to think about that when we go out next summer. Thank you to the Professors Rusty and Murray ;)
Always thought it was like jumping over a house off the double up (sometimes a 2 storey house)....Downunder in Aussie land that equates to 8.2 metres (standard) and around the 12 metre mark factoring in boat travel forward momentum, that's without sending it to the flats!!! Cheers ladz!
Love the new "Science With Shaun" segment! I would guess that means your Raley has to be ~50ft, from the vids it looks like you're close to double the wake width on landing; pretty sick!
Science! Bringin some school to the boat. I kinda wanna measure the distance when I go for a rip on a Raley into the flats and see how far I'm traveling.
This seems like the perfect opportunity to get another sponsor! I’m thinking @texasinstuments would love to calculate your total distance traveled during a raley, vertical + horizontal. Maybe even @nasa would have some fun with this? Two worthy sponsors! Then put that trig calculation and drawing on the bottom of your next board!
Awesome! I've always wondered this and want to see different boats compared to see how much it actually varies when people say xyz boat has a "wide" wake vs. a "narrow" one. Overall, your boat speeds seem a little slow for those lines lengths which I guess explains why the pros get so much hang time! My friends and I ride ~22-24mph at 70 probably because our technique isn't good enough for stuff like switch TS spins with a 27 ft wide wake. I'd guess behind my boat (old 210 vs. your new G23) at my speed/rope it's closer to 20 ft w2w. Will have to measure next summer.
its wakeboarding science! Cool! So do all pro wakeboarders like a 27' wake or do they prefer different speed/rope length combo's? Wonder if other boats are different?
Cool and interesting vIdeo. Changing ballast levels really should have extremely minimal to no effect on wake widths in an application like this. Boat speed and line length are the real variables.
Reason we thought ballast would change is bc the wake size/shape changes with the weight, to the point where you have to go faster than you would without the weight. Just our thinking
would be interesting to see the wake size (height) with 19/20/21/22/23 mph. if you can vary line length with speed change to maintain wake width, what ballast increase is needed to maintain wake height from 19/20/21/22 ??? Woot Woot!!!!
Very interesting… Reminds me some of the old boat tests that they used to do comparing wake sizes etc. To help people choose a boat. Am I bitter that I guessed 26.5 feet and Rusty beat me by 6 inches? ( That’s only eleventy-twelve millimeters in metric Rusty) perhaps! But Shaun guessed 40 feet: which makes sense, because he always thinks that things are taller than they really are.🤔😉 And Rustys guess makes sense as well because coincidentally that is the exact distance between his knees when he is wakeboarding …27 feet. Ok maybe Im a little bitter about losing! 🤣🤣🤣🤣Well done boys!👏🏻
1.25 seconds of airtime at 22.5mph takes you forward 41.25 feet. 27 feet across means you jumped a diagonal distance of roughly 49.3 feet.🤓📐 further than I would have guessed. nice video!
I’m surprised you never used a Trace or WOO device to track your riding! They both used accelerometers to record everything from speed/height/air time/distance, and even impact force. The WOO even converted the board rotation data to record what trick was performed….too bad they stopped supporting wakeboarding and are only supporting kiteboarding these days.
@@Shaun.Murray Sick! get some science going. If you can get the hardness of the wave also scienced, that's supposed to change as well with speed and/or boat even. Look forward to the next episode(s)
So the principal is still more ballast, more rope, length, more speed equals a bigger ramp, and more time in the air. It would be awesome to see statistics on ramp size change with ballast and speed, then air time with those same changes. I think we all assume we know the results. If I find out, I can ride a slower speed with a bigger ramp, and more air time then that makes the falls less painful.
@@bobbygxo1289 if less were best then we would all be riding at sub 20MPH with a surf size wave. Maybe another factor is the firmness of the wave. Slower = softer?
Ok so let's think about this, you kept changing the speed and the ballast to get the perfect feel on the wake, thus Rusty's pre-jumps to test if the speed felt right. So really the conclusion to this whole thing is, da da da. 27 feet is the optimal wake width that you are comfortable with so every change you made to speed or ballast was to make the wake this optimal 27 feet. If you changed any one of the parameters whether it be speed or weight then there would be a difference in width. This is when you ride behind other boats that have a wider wake then you adjust one of these elements to make it feel comfortable to you and it prob is that magic 27 foot number.
Good points Shane. And I also think that everyone has their preference as to what feels good for them. When Rusty said it felt a little fast, I totally agreed but some people may wanna go faster or vice versa.
@@Shaun.Murray true and I wonder for those people does the wake them begin to fluctuate. Take me earlier this summer, I was fighting the perfect pass staying at the right speed when I first got my boat. I cut in for a comfortable wake jump but he speed dropped and I cased the wake hurting my ankle. So one of the perimeters changed, did that change the wake width or did it change my speed to the wake thus not going as far. If you ask me the width changed but how can I be sure.
I have just recently bought the 2023 Rusty Pro Board and it is amazing!!! My wife and kids now don't pack their boards anymore... Worth every penny... 1st time clearing the wake on my Rusty board as well...
Happen to be on the phone with Rusty while reading this and he says "I'm absolutely over the moon excited for you and always love getting great feedback! Keep havin fun and hope to connect one of these days, take care!" -Rusty
I was always curious about this also. Very cool. Love the Shawn Rusty show
Hey Shaun, I love the video. Wanted to point out that because the boat is moving you are jumping wake to wake at an angle, and the distance is a little farther when you increase speed (measuring about the same 1s-1.3s of airtime). Using 1s the boat travels 29.33 feet in that second at 20 mph and at 22 mph it travels 32.27 feet. On the horizontal distance traveled that puts it much closer to your estimate at 39.86 feet at 20 or 42 ft at 22mph. So you can both be right I think .
YES!!! I knew someone would come in with this and you did it pretty quickly Jeff! Wasn't until I was editing that I started processing forward movement and thinking about how we are traveling more than the wake to wake distance. I actually mention this in the description of the video but I love the fact that you have the actual numbers! Thanks Jeff!
Doesn't hang time play a factor? For instance if you just skip across the wakes as low as possible won't you go less far than if you hang it out there with height with more time in the air being pulled forward by the boat (but landing on the downside of the wake). Would love to see a video where you truly track distance jumped from take off point on the water to true landing point down the lake. JB did a high jump, but we need a long jump video!!
Hey Jeff - At 1 second of hang time, 21 mph and a diagonal travel distance of 41' the rider speed is 28 mph. What do you think of that Jeff? Not sure hang time is an accurate way to calculate rider speed across the wake, because height and hang time can vary from a little to a lot depending on wake height and rider pop. Can you figure a good way to calculate rider speed when airing? At a given boat speed, say 21mph and rope length say 65, Rusty cutting and airing across the wake will be travelling at a different speed over ground than me airing across the wake.
All good banter on here. What we were going for was the distance from wake to wake. I think another edit on "how far are we really traveling" could be interesting as well.
@@Shaun.Murray And rider speed over ground when airing.
Would be interesting to see what the width is on other brands and models in the same boat length categories. Fun vid guys!
Curious as well on that Shima
Oh yeah so sweet guys. Love it. I'm jumping roughly 27 feet. Missing that fun being up north in MN. You got your house and boat lift back all good after Ian. Nice. Keep them coming
Waiting for this storm "nicole" to wrap up so we can get back out there and create some more fun!
Hey Shaun! This really blew my mind! I have been riding at 65 feet for the longest time. The few times I've tried 70' we didn't bump up the speed but now I can't wait to go out and try going a bit faster with the longer rope.
Can you tell me what the name of your flip at 9:44 is? It's the only inverted trick i've been able to land and I'm not sure what it's called.
Thanks for all the fun, entertaining and informative content!
Trick is a switch heelside front w a nose grab. Thanks for asking and thanks for watching! 👊🏼
great drone shots..
Stopped to Comment 24'. I also love Rusty's board! It's so sleek. It was awesome to see him in the Red Bull Double or Nothing tourney, and of course you too Shawn!
Good guess WhatWe! Thanks for stoppin by!
More tech on wake size vs speed etc would be good. Air time also would be useful info...
Wow! I'm kinda blown away at how close they are. Will have to think about that when we go out next summer. Thank you to the Professors Rusty and Murray ;)
We were too D! Thanks for stoppin by ✌
Wonder if you could use the video measuring equipment for jumping to measure the total distance covered by a huge W2 flat jumps.
Love the videos! They never disappoint
Thanks for stoppin by Nick! I honestly really enjoy making them!
Cool stuff! And some candy at the end.
And did I hear a “Johnny’sWakeboard Clinic” reference?
BT's drone footage is always eye candy for sure! And might've heard a little Johnny's in there 😉 Nice reference MSC!
Always thought it was like jumping over a house off the double up (sometimes a 2 storey house)....Downunder in Aussie land that equates to 8.2 metres (standard) and around the 12 metre mark factoring in boat travel forward momentum, that's without sending it to the flats!!! Cheers ladz!
Love the new "Science With Shaun" segment! I would guess that means your Raley has to be ~50ft, from the vids it looks like you're close to double the wake width on landing; pretty sick!
Science! Bringin some school to the boat. I kinda wanna measure the distance when I go for a rip on a Raley into the flats and see how far I'm traveling.
@@Shaun.Murray Would LOVE to see it! Putting in my official guess at 52' for max rip.
@@Rotimer noted
Alright! Another one already! Checking it out…
This seems like the perfect opportunity to get another sponsor! I’m thinking @texasinstuments would love to calculate your total distance traveled during a raley, vertical + horizontal. Maybe even @nasa would have some fun with this? Two worthy sponsors!
Then put that trig calculation and drawing on the bottom of your next board!
Good point for W2W clearance understanding🤙
Yessir!
Awesome! I've always wondered this and want to see different boats compared to see how much it actually varies when people say xyz boat has a "wide" wake vs. a "narrow" one. Overall, your boat speeds seem a little slow for those lines lengths which I guess explains why the pros get so much hang time! My friends and I ride ~22-24mph at 70 probably because our technique isn't good enough for stuff like switch TS spins with a 27 ft wide wake. I'd guess behind my boat (old 210 vs. your new G23) at my speed/rope it's closer to 20 ft w2w. Will have to measure next summer.
Can't believe this is the first time this question's been asked. MYTH BUSTED. props to the homie in the comments who broke the math down
Right Zuu?! Hope y'all good down in Miami!
its wakeboarding science! Cool! So do all pro wakeboarders like a 27' wake or do they prefer different speed/rope length combo's? Wonder if other boats are different?
Would have to assume boats are different especially when adding weight. Tower placement can have something to do with it as well potentially
Hi Shaun! The boys are back.... :)
How about that?! Kenny in first and Jerry right on the 2nd! Yes!!!
Cool and interesting vIdeo. Changing ballast levels really should have extremely minimal to no effect on wake widths in an application like this. Boat speed and line length are the real variables.
Reason we thought ballast would change is bc the wake size/shape changes with the weight, to the point where you have to go faster than you would without the weight. Just our thinking
Now we wana see how far u can jump with a big flat landing well past the wake! 😂 but would be hard to measure 🤔
I too have wondered how to get that number somewhat accurate so if anyone has some insight, fire away.
wild
Right?!
would be interesting to see the wake size (height) with 19/20/21/22/23 mph. if you can vary line length with speed change to maintain wake width, what ballast increase is needed to maintain wake height from 19/20/21/22 ??? Woot Woot!!!!
That one's been rolling around in my head for a bit too so we just need to pull it off soon!
Very interesting… Reminds me some of the old boat tests that they used to do comparing wake sizes etc. To help people choose a boat. Am I bitter that I guessed 26.5 feet and Rusty beat me by 6 inches? ( That’s only eleventy-twelve millimeters in metric Rusty) perhaps! But Shaun guessed 40 feet: which makes sense, because he always thinks that things are taller than they really are.🤔😉 And Rustys guess makes sense as well because coincidentally that is the exact distance between his knees when he is wakeboarding …27 feet. Ok maybe Im a little bitter about losing! 🤣🤣🤣🤣Well done boys!👏🏻
Rusty's wide stance 🤣
1.25 seconds of airtime at 22.5mph takes you forward 41.25 feet.
27 feet across means you jumped a diagonal distance of roughly 49.3 feet.🤓📐
further than I would have guessed. nice video!
I’m surprised you never used a Trace or WOO device to track your riding! They both used accelerometers to record everything from speed/height/air time/distance, and even impact force. The WOO even converted the board rotation data to record what trick was performed….too bad they stopped supporting wakeboarding and are only supporting kiteboarding these days.
whats the height of the wave with the same test
Actually have been talking about that and could be up in the near futuer Bobby!
@@Shaun.Murray Sick! get some science going. If you can get the hardness of the wave also scienced, that's supposed to change as well with speed and/or boat even. Look forward to the next episode(s)
So the principal is still more ballast, more rope, length, more speed equals a bigger ramp, and more time in the air. It would be awesome to see statistics on ramp size change with ballast and speed, then air time with those same changes. I think we all assume we know the results. If I find out, I can ride a slower speed with a bigger ramp, and more air time then that makes the falls less painful.
@@ThelifeofKingfish you mean less speed ;)
@@bobbygxo1289 if less were best then we would all be riding at sub 20MPH with a surf size wave. Maybe another factor is the firmness of the wave. Slower = softer?
Soooooo what’s the distance traveled when doing a massive raley? Launch-point to landing. We need a measurement.
Hopefully we can pull that one off in the future!
Ok so let's think about this, you kept changing the speed and the ballast to get the perfect feel on the wake, thus Rusty's pre-jumps to test if the speed felt right. So really the conclusion to this whole thing is, da da da. 27 feet is the optimal wake width that you are comfortable with so every change you made to speed or ballast was to make the wake this optimal 27 feet. If you changed any one of the parameters whether it be speed or weight then there would be a difference in width. This is when you ride behind other boats that have a wider wake then you adjust one of these elements to make it feel comfortable to you and it prob is that magic 27 foot number.
Good points Shane. And I also think that everyone has their preference as to what feels good for them. When Rusty said it felt a little fast, I totally agreed but some people may wanna go faster or vice versa.
@@Shaun.Murray true and I wonder for those people does the wake them begin to fluctuate. Take me earlier this summer, I was fighting the perfect pass staying at the right speed when I first got my boat. I cut in for a comfortable wake jump but he speed dropped and I cased the wake hurting my ankle. So one of the perimeters changed, did that change the wake width or did it change my speed to the wake thus not going as far. If you ask me the width changed but how can I be sure.
20-25’ ??
Not bad at all!
I bet he could’ve guessed in meters too ☺️!
🤔
PHYSICS.. and how is rusty's life after he won the power ball
😂
It’s basic science really…
would not have believed you if you didn't film. Nice Stache @rustymalinoski
Cool
I’m going to guess 20 feet
K with the first!