I always thought the movies were told through someone else's eyes. Except for the very first film. Mad Max 2 ( The Road Warrior) was told by the Feral Child. Beyond Thunderdome was told by the Waiting Ones and Auntie. Fury Road by Furiosa and the Brides. Each storyteller gives us a different Max, so stories could be limitless.
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NO NO NO doesn't fit no matter how sideways you try
@@jovanjorgovan23 you can only get a story from the storyteller. In the comics the Brides appoint a new teacher of the past called the History Man, who tells of the past, including Max's stories. Like the videos suggest, Max as Tom Hardy went through everything from the collapse of civilization to Fury Road in a much shorter timeline. The History Man is the storyteller to us, even though Furiosa is telling the tale to him.
I appreciate that in the final product of Fury Road, they cut the love plot between Max and Furiosa. I just like their platonic friendship much better. It makes sense for both of their characters, and frankly it's just more fitting for the spirit of the series in general.
I don't know if I necessarily agree. A lot of what made him Mad Max was his losing his family, and thus the last strings tying him to his humanity, and the rest of the series is mostly framed as him fixing his broken mind by learning how to be human again. Ending the series with him being damaged but healing and opening himself to love again would've been a little cheesy but a satisfying end for a man who lost everything against the backdrop of the literal world ending.
With how you see Max's mental instability in the beginning, i interpreted that we're seeing Max as he sees himself, not as others see him. He's young, because he never progressed. He was never able to leave the things that traumatized him and haunted him, so for him he sees himself in the same way he saw himself decades ago.
That is a cool way of interpreting the film - it would have been nice for a glimpse of reality during the film in someway (fleeting switch to Mel Gibson at the age he is now, before switching back)..
Looking in a mirror or pool of water and blur thr effects together find his lowest most defeated point and augment it revealing his actual brokenness and loss then snap back to his mythos and do a turn about
Fury Road with its completely insane over the top world, the massive psychedelic permanent sandstorm wall, no ocean at all, super DIY Big Rigs of Death, etc etc. It all really strikes me as this embellished sailor's tale. Like it started off more like Road Warrior, ended up like Eraser Head meets John Wick kinda shit but it's somebody telling this ridiculous, unbelievably intense and insane story about this unkillable psycho who beats the crap out of sandstorms and doesn't afraid of anybody, who wandered off into the darkness while being shot at indiscriminately, and killed everyone shooting at him. This guy went to the salty spitoon and drank big Dudley's milkshake in front of Big Dudley and Big Dudley's mom, no one's stomping this crazy SOB with an unloaded sawed off. He then drove the Super Cyborg Queen right up to the evil bad man's car and helped her rip Double Ugly's face off with a grappling hook and then disappeared into the wasteland like a ghost.
I take FR as an extension of the way Mad Max was told. This *isn't* the real story. THIS is the story that got told 3 generations after the last living witness died and Max has become an eternally young force of nature tearing through the wastes
I would be fine with a mutation explanation, where he begins to age slower and slower, which would also add to the "madness" aspect. It's been used before in similar story environments. It would add an element to the story where Max actually remembers being there before the war and living for a hundred years, but of course no one believe him due to how young he looks. If anyone wants to question this as too far fetched, take into account that cancer cells are technically immortal and do not age, they continually reproduce.
I kinda liked that idea actually. It makes sense that logically while most mutation is simply just cancer or defect, some humans get a boost. Max being labeled as High Octane could possibly mean he doesn't age could live for 80+ years continuing to be in a youthful healthy state. Like Sgt. Johnson from Halo.
eh for that they would have had to use Mel Gibson and then 3d animate him to look young. Tom Hardy just doesn't look, feel or act like the original Mad Max at all. I like the idea of the Tom Hardy Mad Max being the boomerang kid. Or just calling Mad Max more like a myth or spirit that some instantiate. If the Mad Max brand continues it could be similar to 007.
Age affects everyone differently too, like for example I rented a house once from a 93 year old man once. I was prepared to meet a frail old man, I mean he had a friend manage his properties for him, he sounded like he was hands off and enjoying life. Yeah no, turned out this guy just needed somebody 25 years younger to do business semi affectively in today's world. He was literally just 93 and terrible in social situations, incompatible with the modern world in most ways. Some people say boomers are incompatible, I say give it 25 more years! Jokes aside though, this guy may be 93 in the head, but he still did all repair work on his rentals, and like for me, he would take the yard waste to the dump and if there was more to go he would take it too. He would shovel up an entire years worth of grass clippings and leaves from a pile and into the back of his pickup, then pickup the branches and any other stuff I had set aside, all in one go by himself! Id see him doing this and offer to help, but he would always refuse. I noticed he truly didn't need my help, and that the dude was in better health and physical shape then I am at 24 too! Its a bold statement, but he can easily do things that I can't and without even breaking a sweat at that! Like being flexible enough to break into the house when I locked myself out, and carrying a window air conditioner from one end of the house to the other. I should be able to do these things easily too, but I have a back and shoulder injury making me weaker in the department of carrying things, and flexibility. Like I can do these things, but I would need a break halfway carrying the AC, and it would take me hours if not the course of a day to load a truck with that much stuff! But the 93 year old did it in one go, and took one hour at the most! I was even more surprised to learn that this guy had a heart attack in his late 40s, smoked until his early 50s, worked in construction his whole career. It was the heart attack that made him rethink his lifestyle, he stopped smoking, still eats the same things but in smaller portions, and him refusing my help with things is in a way how he gets in enough excercise. As a result he more or less stopped aging at 55, like if you look at him, go for a drive with him, talk to him, you'd be like "wow for only being in his 50s that guy sure is backwards" because that's how it went when I met him, I thought he was somebody else, and didn't find out for about a week that the antisocial lawnmower guy was in fact my 93 year old landlord. I was talking with his property manager and that's how I found out lol! I remember saying "oh god he looked like he was maybe 55 AND he hulked a lawnmower up into a truck by himself, there's no way that's him!"... Yeah, I saved the best til last, he looks 55, even with a shirt off he looks 55! If we remove gray hair as an identifying feature of somebody over a certain age Tom Hardy could be 55...
I like the idea of Max being the feral kid as well. For one, Hardy looks more like the feral kid more than he does Mel Gibson, plus the scene with Max going to take on the Bullet Farmer and he was holding a boomerang, plus the little music box one of the wives had, that Max gave the feral kid. Regardless I also the idea of Max really being “mad” too…Ironic as Max was helping a feral kid and then he himself turns feral who needs help, which he got by finding purpose in his life again by help Furiosa and the wives.
My personal take on Fury Road has always been the because it, just like Road warrior is told by a third party. Which means (to me) that what Max looked like is based on that persons memory. So any actor could in theory have been chosen.
thats an interesting take. by the time the stories would have been passed on to the young, max would have taken on a Mythological level of heroism. in the same vein of Heracles, Gilgamesh, Quetzalcoatl, Coyote, (although coyote is more of a prankster than hero, he did give the people fire).
This is how I choose to think about it as well. Fury Road doesn't feel like Max's story because it is being shown to us from Furiosa's perspective, who would end up being one of the few healthy enough to survive long after the events of the movie in order to tell the tale.
That’s the way I’ve always interpreted it. Honestly it makes the most sense. The only film from Max’s point of view/narration is first movie, and the opening scene of Fury Road. These are all legends, myths of the road warrior, the raggedy man, the fool. The one simply known as Max
Hahaha! They're not quite the same though. Deckard and Joe are different characters, so Ford returned in a supporting role. In Fury Road, we're invited to re-imagine the events of the original Mad Max films as having occurred later in time.
The two good reboots of this decade. Sorry Drevin but you're wrong about Blade Runner: 2049 being garbage, perhaps your viewpoint on the movie is garbage but not the movie itself.
I like to think that the chronological inconsistencies are a sign of Max's increasing madness. Maybe the world isn't as damaged as he perceives it to be, or he isn't as young as he sees himself as.
The video game implies this. The character Griffa continuously asks Max where he's going, he replies the Plains of Silence, but Griffa says he's already there. Asks What year it is Max doesn't know, Asks where Max is Max doesn't know, How old Max is, Max doesn't know. Why the V8? Why the plains of Silence, Max doesn't have answers to any of these questions and the game sort of implies the world may be a wasteland but the way Max perceives things about the wasteland make them worse than they are.
When you consider _all_ of the hurdles, setbacks, massive delays, re-casting, re-writing, etc., it's that much _more_ amazing that the final product turned out to be _such_ a *masterpiece.*
I'm most likely wrong but i like the theory that Hardy is playing the part of that feral kid from Road Warrior, Max left such an impact on him that he adapted his backstory while going mad in the wastelands.
Miller addressed this fan theory and said that it's interesting but Max is not the Feral Kid. He said that the Feral Kid went on to live with the Northern Tribe and became their leader with time, didn't have any identity crisis going around pretending he's Max.
I like Tom Hardy hes a great actor and played the role well.But the true Mad Max fans wanted to see Mel Gibson.Yes hes mad and a racest.But he only became that because of HOLLYWOOD itself.When u look in from the outside as a regular person all u want is good movies.I dont agree with how Mel Gibson has become.But in the end nobody really cares.We love Mel for what he was.A awesome actor.And now an awesome director.But people only think about actors not directors.After all an actor plays the role.And a director directs the role.We only emulate what we see on screen.But Mel should have played in Fury Road and we all know it.Regaurdless of how insane hes become.
I recently watched the mad max films for the first time and I took “a few years from now” as a few years from whenever who is watching it is watching it, if that makes any sense...
So exactly how George A Romero intended people to take the Dead series? All of them being the same zombie apocalypse, so Dawn of the Dead from 1978 technically takes place in whatever year the audience is watching it with Night taking place 2 weeks before it and Day 3-5 years after Dawn. He intended it all to be the same event no matter what decade. So if George Miller applied the same logic Mad Max 1 takes place some time in the 2030's?
I saw him more like a mythological figure in a story passed through word of mouth. The legend of a "Road Warrior" who helps the poor and kills the baddies in a world where there's no laws or police to protect you. So him being young and handsome would represent how people wanted to remember him, rather than what he was actually like. Alternatively, it could be that another person assumed the identity of Max for some reason, but without any lead as to who this person really is, there's not much to go on here. Or maybe it doesn't really matter if Max is the same or a different person, or which timeline we should look into for answers, because the only thing that matters is the character and their exploits, and not how they fit into the grand scheme of things. Sort of like James Bond. In any case, good work explaining why I had to wait such a long time for Miller to finally finish this god damn movie.
I've been following the development of Fury Road since about 2003. At one point, George Miller said he saw the character of Max like the character of James Bond. I took that to mean it's a role that could be filled by different people. Maybe a protege of Max (not necessarily his son)- or even someone who had only heard the legends- took the mantle upon himself, built a replica of the car, and tried to "fill Max's shoes"....
I like this explanation. It reminds me of the Viking sagas of Ragnar Lothbrok . While Ragnar’s sons are actual historical figures a lot of history scholars believe Ragnar is more a combination of many different historical figures. They believe he is likely just the literary personification of multiple Vikings, their stories, heroics and conquests shared through Norse poetry and word of mouth stories. Along the way all these stories were attributed to one mythological man.
This is actually prevelent in Iconography of the medieval period as well, they tend to depict historical or semi-historical events by updating the look of the historical figures to the present standards. As an example, Macbeth was suppose to be set in the 1050s yet in every depiction they update it to the 1600s or even the modern age. Even Macbeth the story is not very accurate to Macbeth the person.
I wonder if the future fury road videos will reveal if Max is someone else or they will just simply ignore that and we are just supposed to accept that this is Max.
I think it fits into the whole "campfire legend" concept. When people are sitting around telling stories around a fire about mythic legends they don't really concern themselves with continuities or timelines. Max is Max. A warrior of the road who wanders the wasteland in his interceptor fighting for his life against the hellish inhabitants. That is you need. You don't need to bother yourself with previous stories or previous characters or Max's age or what he might know or might not know of the world before unless it fits into the story. The characters are supposed to go see a wise sage who knows of the world before. So they do. They don't ask Max about that stuff because that isn't interesting. That doesn't carry the same mysticism of seeing a wise old sage at the fringe of reality. Max is a legend. The "real" Max is long dead if he ever existed at all in this world. If a group of people in the wasteland come across a helpful stranger dressed like a road warrior driving a car his name could be Bubbah from Queensland who drives a VW microbus but when they tell the story they will say they met Max Rockatansky who saved them in his interceptor. People do this even now today. If you're having a horrible, nightmare of a day and someone comes by and helps you, saves you, you may retell that story with addition of "I was saved by an angel." or "God sent an angel to save me" Okay YOU may not but I know people who would. My point is that Fury Road doesn't need continuity links to previous movies because they don't matter. This is a story about Mad Max. And that is all that really matters.
Beyond the campfire hero concept, I like to think that if Max's stories are through his perspective and the people around him at the time, that the radiation and fallout that has ravaged everyone else actually made Max stronger, live longer and harder to kill, same with Furiosa and the wives. Angharad was technically still alive even after being run over by the Giga Horse, of course she was broken and dying but she has to be a little more than the average human to survive that even a little bit. I think some people are affected in a beneficial way by the radiation, kind of in the same way some animals in Fukushima and Chernobyl's exclusion zones are beginning to thrive better in that humanly uninhabitable environment.
This made me appreciate fury road even more, they had so many obstacles along the way and, in the end, the result was even better than what Mr. Miller originally wanted, a true masterpiece.
Actually Hardy didn’t really do anything physically that Gibson could’ve t have done. Miler probably just didn’t want to deal with Mad Mel with all his issues at the time.
I always had a theory that the character “Blaster” in Beyond Thunderdome was the same person who was the young man with Down Syndrome in the first Mad Max movie. Remember the older lady who was with Max and his wife when the gang attacked? She had either a son or grandson who had Down Syndrome. I always thought that Max wasn’t just shocked by discovering that Blaster had Down Syndrome, but that he possibly recognized him. As for the adults who disappeared after leaving the Crack in the Earth, I think the were “swallowed up” in Bartertown, like Max had said what would happen to the kids if they ventured out from the Crack in the Earth.
@@TransoceanicOutreach Except that if you saw Skyfall, then you know that isn't even remotely true. Not only is James Bond not a code name, it's actually his real birth name. Worst spy ever!
Mickey Spillane aged his detective character, Mike Hammer, in real time. By the time of his last novel, that made Mike Hammer in his 70s -- but he was still beating up roomfuls of mob goons and making every woman he met weak at the knees and ready to fall into bed with him. Spillane just disregarded reality for the sake of story-telling, which is what this movie does. And it makes sense, since the character of Mad Max was _intentionally_ made to be iconic and archetypal, a demi-god like Hercules or Theseus (or Mike Hammer) and thus not forced to abide by normal rules of reality.
I interpret it as completely rebooted honestly. The start of a whole new trilogy. Making two very different feeling trilogies rather than a 6 film franchise that vastly changes halfway. Fury Road is one of the greatest action films of all time to me, and I’m visiting this after having watched the original trilogy for the first time, rewatching fury road, and seeing the furiosa trailer at least 15 times now. So stoked for that.
Why isnt mentioned here that "Toecutter" in the 1979 Mad Max is actually the same actor ( Hugh Keays-Byrne ) as "Immortan Joe" in the 2015 film Mad Max: Fury Road ?
i always like to think Immortan Joe IS Toecutter. and that fury road started as max trying to survive, but turns into a revenge story of max seeking revenge for his family.
@@ianbirchfield5124 I think he is Toecutter. I really do. That's how I watch the movie anyway. But so many years have passed, and Joecutter is so fucked up now that his mind would be even more warped and he looks almost nothing like before, so him and Max wouldn't recognise each other, especially since they never got a really good look at each other that I remember. But imagine that Joecutter (that's how I think of him) is the way he is (physically especially), because of the horific injuries he sustained smashing into that truck. Miraculous that he survived. Maybe one of his other bike gang members (who we barely saw, or even never saw) came across him and got him some help or something.
@@w0bbl3r Well, he got hit by a huge truck and her legs were crushed by three wheels I don't know if someone could survive that, and at that time, where the world was about to crumble, there was no medics I guess
@@karl3097 That's what makes it even cooler to me though. That Toecutter was such a ruthless hard bastard that not even death could beat him I rewatched the original movie last year, and I understand the crash he went through. But to think he's still alive, is only about as crazy as seeing the same guy, flying an aircraft, supposedly about 15 years apart, who are allegedly 2 different people. Or Max himself being too young to have been a cop, according to the movies own timeline. Or Max being a different person now than he was before. These are fantasy stories on an epic scale, and in fantasy anything can happen. That's how I think of it anyway.
@@ianbirchfield5124 toe cutter got destroyed. I think of it more of a 'ghosts of the past' thing. Like max sees him as similar because he wants to kill him.
Tom Hardy was great in this role, but to fit more accurately to the story I would have loved to seen Mel Gibson as Max one last time, his greatest role of his career.
its the most realistic of takes. Mad Max can never die because he is a myth. So when he does eventually pass the idea of Mad Max is taken over by another. Maybe he is just a man that picked up the mythos from stories he heard as a kid or maybe he worked with mel gibson's max. I don't like the idea that Mel Gibson's Max is the same as Tom Hardy's Max.
Agree! This is why it turned out as it is. Messy, yes, but better this than no movie at all! Besides, in a few years the purists will be able to buy a bootleg version where a perfectly aged Mel replaces Tom. Having cheap AI (artificial intelligence) won’t be all bad - even if we’re out of work.
@@MadMaxBible I spent hours reading comments on youtube videos. People coming with different ideas and discussions about this franchise. But let me give you different ideas/answers to these two frequent questions related to Fury Road being sequel to an original trilogy. . 1. Mad Max in Fury Road (Tom Hardy) being too young to be cop before apocalypse - should've been old as Vuvalini. . I read that statement many times, saying how Max should be in his 50's, not in 30's as portrayed by Tom Hardy. Statement among many reasons, has a base in Miller's script which says Max was 23 in first Mad Max movie. Reason behind this age is obviously Mel Gibson's age by the time of film being done. What i find interesting is that everybody follows that principle, but ignoring same when looking at Tom Hardy's Max, saying how young he looks. BUT if we use same principle, we can see that Tom Hardy was 38 by the time of film being done. . After mentioning Tom Hardy's age and his "youthful look" i can say that his age is not far away from: Max being 23yo at the events of first movie, 25-26yo in second movie, and around 40-42yo in third movie (cause third movie takes 15 years after second). Now events from Fury Road we don't know how far away are, but based on comics it could be right away after events of third movie. Having said all of these, Max in Fury Road would be JUST 5 YEARS OLDER than Tom Hardy at time of film being made. . Now i know you can still laugh at me saying that Tom Hard's Max is still too young. But i can provide two answers to that: a) If Miller shortly find some compromise with WB and starts filming new Mad Max movie, and if it will be sequel to Fury Road (taking time immedietaly after) instead of prequel, Max would still be around 40-45 years older. NOW READ CAREFULLY! Based by previous experience how long Miller took to film any of Mad Max movies and release it as a final product (couple of years), Tom Hardy currently aged 41, would be close to 45yo which would finally make him relevant to age of Max, and remove all disputes. . b) Mel Gibson was much younger than Max in third movie. I know makeup makes a thing, but i believe we can follow these example as to not look too serious at Max's age, and actor's age. 2. Years in movies all together make no sense to Max being that young etc etc. . First of all, years that appear in movies are not easy to find, it is really hard to spot them without pausing the movie. Which in my eyes make them "Easter eggs" and not important to follow. No question that they were part of the script from that time - but Mad Max is in floating timeline. It was logic that if they filmed first movie in 70's that they will use cars from that time, and "few years from now" to make some background story. And it is same logic that they used modern weapons and cars in Fury Road, cause again we need to use same "few years from now" logic, as it is FLOATING TIMELINE. Ofcourse Immortan Joe has nokia 3310 part on his "armor", if they make Mad Max movie in next 20 years new villian will probably have iPhone 5 par on his armor. . To better explain my opinion about this "problem" i will use Batman example. Batman in first comics and movies had suroundings based on era it was made. Such as era of 40's, 50's, 60's and so on. New Batman movies such as Dark Knight trilogy has suroundings of modern era. Same floating timeline should be with Mad Max franchise. Thats why is good choice not puting Mel Gibson to be Max again, thats why Miller said "the Mad Max apocalypse is always just around the corner from the world we live in". . And that's my friends why we should ignore all these years being "hidden" in the movies. . THANKS FOR READING!
I'm a fan of the series since the 80's, and I always took those stories as you say, campfire tales for the younger in an indetermined future, and Max being more like an archetype rather than an hystorical figure in that universe. Furthermore, I imagine him being completely different people in each story, it's the oral tradition through generations which turns him into a single legendary person. FR fits perfectly in that scenario, it's just a new tale. And I couldn't care less if the character is done by different actors, anyways.
I really enjoyed Fury Road tbh and although I'd like to have seen Mel Gibson as Max one last time, having Tom Hardy has opened up the opportunity for further movies which is exactly what we want.
As a James Bond fan, you start to figure out it doesn’t matter who the actor is. It’s about the character. So it didn’t bother me at all the Hardy played the role. In fact I liked him in it very much. Plus I never got the sense that Max was young. Hardy isn’t as old as Mel, but he’s not young either. (currently 45 yoga). I loved it and hope Wasteland continues his saga as Max.
Before I saw this I always placed Fury Road after The Road Warrior and before Thunderdome. It just seemed to make the most sense to me that way. I never noticed the date tattooed on Max's back in FR.
Yes! His age makes sense if Fury Road is between the 2nd and 3rd films. Finally found a comment with the same timeline i like. It makes more sense for Max to have his car at the start of Fury Road, and lose it before Thunder Dome, making that his retirement adventure.
This was really cool seeing all the pre-production stills and what not. Him having the interceptor had always puzzled me after it's destroyed in Mad Max 2. You mentioned some of the gang members in MM2, I'd always considered Humongous was Police Chief Fifi and perhaps the subordinate with his face covered and cop leathers was Goose. There's so much to like about this whole world that has been created. Proud it's Aussie made, FANG IT!
The thing about those old news articles is that they're riddled with speculation by journalists. That's why I stuck with hard news that was out there, otherwise journalists loved to throw in random names to generate buzz for the article. Bruce Campbell was one of those names and there was a ton more, Michael Biehn for example. I wouldn't get too hung up on Campbells name being mentioned there really...
In the next video I will be talking about the Mad Max video game and why it is so confusing. Also, prepare yourselves for many bombshells which I encountered while researching this topic which is relevant to the future of Mad Max movies.
Just finished the game. Can't wait for that video. The past two were the most comprehensive way to explain the Mad Max movies and their background. Thank you.
The cowboy boot isn't worth mentioning in the light of what WB did to the game and the future of Mad Max. I can only sum it up like this: total carelessness.
@Mad Max Bible Very much looking forward to the video. Can't wait to see your analysis, the time line seems extremely confusing to me as well. I mentioned in one of my vids that it seemed like they were purposely trying to make the timeline unclear in the video game.
Yes they have purposefully muddied the waters in almost everything in the game. But there are very serious reasons for doing so and even more serious consequences to that. WB did not know what they were doing with the material...
I absolutely love this video series, thank you so much for making it. I love the franchise, and some of this was new info even to me, and my not-too-shabby knowledge of the series. I'm glad you stand by the fact that Fury Road is, in fact, the fourth film and not a reboot, and you're not trying to stuff it somewhere else in the timeline while ignoring details given to us by the film itself, or even Miller's words. The one or two minor inconsistencies stuck out for me as well, so I feel you there haha. Far as the age thing though, I think we're just gonna have to write that off and move on. Max is supposed to be a mythological figure anyway, and we're supposed to be getting these stories second-hand for the most part. I recall someone at some point (I think it was Miller back in the day) said that Road Warrior was 5 years after the original film, and Beyond Thunderdome was supposed to be 15 years after Road Warrior, so there's already a big time gap there that the age doesn't REALLY account for, so we're already blurring that detail for the sake of story. As the song goes though, in the end, it doesn't even matter, because Max is mythology, and the stories are too. Anyway, like I said, love the videos, thanks for the new info, and I hope to see more from you in the future!
He states that it was being CALLED a reboot, but the script was exactly the same. The point is made that the movie is not a reboot, because literally the only things changed were that Max is played by someone else, and that he doesn't go up into the Citadel at the end of the film. Not only that, but he includes the comic book and video game prequels into this retrospective, which clearly paint the rest of the picture for the series, and cast Fury Road as a SEQUEL, not a REBOOT. When people try to make the stupid argument that Fury Road is a reboot, they always say "Well, ignoring the comics, and video game, which don't count." oh but except they DO count, because Miller is the one who came up with the backstory for how Max got the Interceptor back, and what finally drove him over the edge. The presence of these stories solidifies the fact that it is a sequel, part of an ongoing series, not a restart of the whole thing, and in the video, he states at 18:33 that the movie fits in as part 4 "after the original trilogy", but that it was merely BRANDED as a reboot somewhere along the way by others. The whole point of the video is that Fury Road was constructed to be a sequel from day one, and you can either look at it as a climactic conclusion to the series, or if they make more, the start of a new trilogy. Did YOU even watch the whole video?
@Sam Falco He calls it a reboot in his own words at 10:37 and at 10:51 The whole premise of this video is to explain how it lost continuity and became a reboot and the director of the film himself has even called it a reboot/revisit.
Okay first off, I know what he fucking says at the time code, and you can throw that around all you like, but its not part of his conclusion. You see, when you're presenting research, you provide your thesis, your information, then a conclusion. Information in the middle of a presentation doesn't sum up your thoughts, that happens at the END of it. And at the end, he clearly states that the movie fits in as a sequel. AND AGAIN, the video game and comics clearly paint the film as a sequel. You're blatantly ignoring things that make it that, so if you're just gonna continue to do that, there's no point in debating you, because you're clearly an ass. Secondly, George Miller said lots of stuff while promoting the movie, and changed what he said numerous times because he wasn't sure what they were doing with it till the end. Making the comics though pretty much solidified what he wants it to be, and he's ALSO quoted as saying that it takes place "sometime after Thunderdome". Stop digging your hole deeper, and move on.
Fury Road is a sequel that's been rebranded to 'reboot'. Fury Road in 2003 was going to be a sequel with Mel Gibson and a different ending. That never got shot. Fury Road in 2015 was a soft reboot with almost exact same story, and a different actor. So technically Fury Road is a sequel - let me explain why: Because the whole movie was designed as such. The core of it, the whole story, the gigantic character arc for Max, the biggest chase sequences etc etc etc - it was meant to finish the series. Had Fury Road been written as a reboot from the beginning we would have a completely different movie. In that sense, officially on paper - Fury Road is called a reboot because it's got a new hood ornament. But look under the hood and it's a sequel. That's the best analogy I can find for what this movie is.
Great videos. I like the idea of Mad Max being a mythological character from The far future. It opens up that universe for MORE stories. I was truly worried about this film when I heard they were making a New one, but they completely knocked it out the park. they could potentially make several more movies about MAX and his adventures, even if they use different actors, it would still work . That being said, In my own personal head canon, I like to think of fury road being set between Road Warrior and Thunderdome.
More stories would work also because I've always seen mad max as a title more than a real person, like a legendary figure...The Mad Max. At the same time the wasteland doesn't necessarily have to be the australian desert, it can just be a desert in a planet who's forgotten it's name. If we hold this true who cares who interprets mad max, as long as it's as badass as necessary.
Mad max exists in a timeless place, so that no matter who he looks like, he is still max and his adventures are as timeless as he... but for the love of God, please don't let Disney get their slimy white gloved mits on it.
actually if all the movies wore made that there was scripts made for fury road would have been the 8th one. and one movie that was not made was road warrior 2 that was set before thunder dome. and another that was not made was road warrior 3 set before fury road that shows how he got another interceptor ( the one we see at the beginning of fury road).
Max is like Robin Hood in the sense that he is maybe a collection of different people than just one man as Robin of the Hood was a common nickname for a theif/bandit during the late 12th century, so maybe in Mad Max's universe the name "Mad Max" is just a nickname for a drifter.
Oh boy, I'm so happy to have found this channel. As a kid I've always been obsessed with Mad Max and Fallout 1 & 2. Thanks for sharing these well researched videos! ❤
Damn I'd like to have seen Mel in Fury Road, he didn't look too bad in Expendables 3 I also wonder what Heath would have been like as Max, I feel like he wouldn't look as rugged as Mel and Tom but I guess we'll never know
Gibson wasn't absent because of his age, he was absent because of his racism and anti-Semitism. Thank God Miller casted Hardy, It would have been awful for this masterpiece of a film to have a nasty person as its main actor.
6:22 I don't know if it's just me but I would like more of this version of max. It sounds dark but Imagine an unhinged version of him, already broken and MAD.
I don't care about how crazy he may or may not be in real life as long as he can give a good performance and portray the character well. Seeing an older Max would be interesting to me. He still looks in pretty good shape for his age anyway when he puts the effort in.
It really pains me to say this because I love Fury Road and it introduced me to the world of Mad Max but I think the film would've been better if it had stayed as the finale to the series. I agree with the writer about the ending, the film was leading up to Max rejoining humanity and now doesn't feel complete. In all honesty Tom Hardy was the perfect actor to take over Max, he's a man of few words and all you have to do is look at Bane from TDKR to see how much emotion Hardy can convey with just his eyes. With that being said, I feel that Max ultimately belongs to Mel, not because he originated the role but because he simply WAS the character, like Harrsion as Indiana Jones or Stallone as Rambo. This likely won't happen but I hope Gibson does get an opportunity to see the character through to the end, even if it's just a camo at the end of a future sequel, Mel really deserves that.
TheLordUrban: This maybe a little far fetched, but as I see it, The Road Warrior and Fury Road could be the same movie from two different points of view. The two movies are just too similar with only the details being different. The Road Warrior is narrated by the Feral Kid as a recounting of his childhood years later when he is an adult and the leader, Fury Road is narrated by Max himself. Another point is the reintroduction of Max's interceptor which was the last of its kind as stated in Mad Max. If the interceptor was the last of its kind and was totally destroyed in the Road Warrior, then there is no way that he could have rebuilt it, being that parts for it no longer existed.
Been a Mad Max fan since childhood and I've always thought it would be great if someone made a slick video explaining the timeline and presenting other awesome trivia from the production process. This is totally awesome, great work! Just started playing the video game and I'm pleasantly surprised by how well it captures the spirit of the franchise. I am eagerly awaiting your next video!
Great analysis! Very insightful and eye-opening. With so many people mutated in the aftermath of the Fall, I’d like to think that Rockatansky got lucky and mutated in a way that rejuvenated him.
Man, such a bummer they didn’t have Mel as the lead. I was vaguely familiar with the first movie but utterly confused by the last. Great videos unraveling it all 👏👏
This was truly revealing. I never knew that events in our timeline caused Miller and the team to change events in the MM timeline. I do so wish they could have followed through with Mel Gibson though. He would have looked awesome in all the scenes you described that would have fit the MM story to a fair thee well. Tom Hardy is a really good actor but they would have had to do a lot of make up ageing and, as you said, audience relevance was questionable. Really great analysis and explanation. This is as much about story telling and movie making as it is about MM. Thanks so much for this. Makes me want to watch the whole series again lol.
Wow, the original plan would've been sheer awesome! I would love to see Mel as the aged warrior.... When we got to see Rambo finally find the path to closure it was the best ending for such an iconic hero. Hopefully Max will get the same.
I agree. And it's also quite painful to find out that they had so many cars built for the movie in 2003 in Namibia and they had to cut the whole armada up with blowtorches! The only car that actually made it out of there alive was the Interceptor we eventually got to see in Fury Road in 2015! It's the same car that Mel would've been driving! I mean it probably looks a little bit different but it's still the same car that survived all iterations of Fury Road.
Great analysis. I've always felt that the first two were the best, Thunderdome was ok, and Fury Road was a comic version of the story line. After seeing all the references to comic books, illustrators, and anime, it makes sense. Artists tend to evolve as do their ideas. A portion of fans don't want that extreme evolution rather something more moderate. But now I understand why I came away from Fury Road disappointed feeling that it was just a hollow caricature of the chase scenes in MM1 and MM2 and why the goon squad was as credible as in Batman Returns. I like the idea that it's a reboot because then it doesn't damage the original trilogy.
I agree reboot was crap the movie was good though but should have been a direct sequel with Mel Gibson portraying a damaged aging Max as the Max we see in the movie as explained in the video couldn't possibly be a "relic from the past" as he is simply too young. Screw what the audience in 2015 thought (the ones that apparently still think that The Farce Awakens was good). This movie largely failed because of it being a reboot instead of a closure.
@Mad Max Bible I have to say great video, and excellent thoughts as well. I wanted to summarize my personal thoughts on Fury Road however. If you think about it George Miller DID in fact say it was pretty much a tale of stories told around the camp fire, and finally each one watered down by each interpretation of the storyteller's perspective. To me when it came to Fury Road? I always interpreted it as a story possibly obscured, forgotten, one that only was rediscovered with the dust collected on it, possibly fragmented due to the sands of time, and attempted to be translated and finally interpreted. If you take that metaphor, put it to the other movies, and compare them? It fits perfectly interpretation wise as to why we see a different tale to the saga. Take a look at myths of today, where myths inspire and cause writers to create their own worlds at which are their own visions inspired from older traditional visions. J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth inspired from Beowulf and other mythologies. Some say G.R.R. Martin inspired by J.R.R. Tolkien and created Fire and Ice aka Game of Thrones The Odyssey by Homer, later some say was a basis for the Sons of Anarchy tv show. Possibly also the Illiad as well. So in a way lore reflecting lore, reality inspiring lore if you will. That's the art of storytelling taking what we experience and put it into a storytelling concept that reflects either the experience or in the end reflects the thoughts or opinions of an event. THAT'S STORYTELLING at the core! Thank you....
Miller does that on purpose. Behind the scenes you have dates, logic, chronology, stories etc. He needs all of that to build those movies. That's what I'm aiming at. But when the movies come out - he just says he doesn't know, he lies about it..... he flat out lies he is not concerned with chronology. He literally asked actors to come up with backstories for their characters and then consulted it to make sure it fits the bill. This whole 'it's a myth' angle is a facade! It's what he wants you to think. I used to think the same, until I got my hands on production documents and talked to actors, producers, everyone except Miller!! You need to realize this is how Miller works. And that's why I made those videos.
Interesting. I really liked Fury Road but in my honest opinion this is a sequel. He could be the feral kid from MM2 Road Warrior but when I think back to to old Mad Max films there was no exact timeline as to where it starts and begins in terms of years.
Most enjoyable couple of videos I've seen in a long time; so well made. Look forward to the game one. I've been a Mad Max fan for over 30 years and you did a flawless job here.
Stay shiny and chrome, indeed, and thank you. I really loved the glimpses of those Fury Road conceptual art works in this video. Brilliant. I could watch a whole movie based on the art work and story boards alone, 😄(hint hint).
Maybe The Old Max (or Mel Gibbson Max) is telling the story the story of Fury Road and his mind has gotten a little fuzzy. Or told the story as him as a young man ( either way thats where Tom Hardy comes in).
3rd person storytelling had opened up possibilities for interpretation since Mad Max 2. It was Miller's plan to keep those movies interesting (even though he didn't do it consciously for Mad Max 2). But Miller himself has always had a solid logic and vast backstories for those movies, which he never intended to reveal. I find this hidden official lore much more interesting than speculating on fan theories to be honest.
Mad Max Bible Fury Road is sort of told from the mindset of the future wasteland culture - like its a movie adapting historic events. That's why there's a quote from "the first history man" as if that's a real person who we would be familiar with. So Max is younger than he 'should' be since he's always young in the telling. And he always has an Interceptor only to lose just like Arthur with Excalibur
Like I said, that's a storytelling device Miller uses to make people speculate. He wraps those movies in mythology by presenting those movies as 3rd person storytelling. This sort of 3rd person storytelling which blurs what could be real and what isn't (it's called the Rashomon effect) is just a cherry on top, an afterthought after Miller had already created a continuity, solid lore, and background in all of those movies. I'm talking backstories to items, vehicles, random characters... - all of that has its own story and it's rooted in reality. Miller does that to create complete world of Mad Max that we understand without any exposition. He needs that foundation for Mad Max movies to work. It's just that after he does that, he adds the 'mythical story' wrapper to it all, he says that MM2 was told from the perspective of the Feral Kid, MM3 was a story by the kids from the Crack In The Earth and Fury Road is apparently a story by some unknown History Man. He does that to shroud those movies in mystery, to keep people wondering and speculating. HOWEVER - that doesn't change the fact that underneath it all Miller would be able to tell you the whole backstory to those guys on stilts in Fury Road. He could tell you how Max got his Interceptor back. He could tell you how that world came to be down to specific historical events. But he's not going to reveal that to anyone! He'll always say that he doesn't really know himself... which is BS because I've seen the production documents. I know Furiosa's backstory. I talked to Miller's co-writers who were told to come up with that stuff as well and they don't have any obligation to tell everyone that 'hey guys it's just a myth, all of it, we wrote it as we went along, don't think about it too much!'. No, they told me what happened exactly and how. There's logic for everything in those movies, even as to why Max's Interceptor in Fury Road doesn't have a rear spoiler. There's a story to that too! So best believe when I hear that 'you should just look at those movies as mythical campfire stories' I call bullshit. There's so much more to those movies than that and that's why I'm making those videos.
I have a thought n the issue...... In "Mad Max", it was explained that his car was the LAST of the interceptors (meaning that no others existed), then in "The Road Warrior", the car exploded ( booby trap placed by Max to keep the car out of the hands of others), but he has the exact same car in "Fury Road", which is destroyed as well. But if you listen to the actual narration of the two movies... the feral kid is the narrator as an adult of "The Road Warrior" recalling what he thinks he remembers, and Max, himself, is the narrator of "Fury Road". My theory is that the two movies are the same story taken from two different perspectives.
Thanks for exposing some details about Fury Road's overlong gestation! I too was confused with Max beginning to backpedal into the crowd and presumably out to the wastelands after returning to the Citadel. He gives Furiosa a last glance and the two of the them exchange what I interpreted as mutual respect and admiration. If a potential romance wasn't to occur at this point in time, maybe they'll meet again. The franchise has been left open, unlike in the original script. After taking in this closing scene the first time in theatres, I gathered maybe that Max sensed the potential for Furiosa to become currupted by taking lead of the Citadel's affairs. Or, he's simply an irreparably damaged loner who prefers only short-term contact with other survivors, even if they've earned his sympathies. It was Furiosa who wanted to find her point of origin; 'The Green Place', not Max. He very well could've chosen to stay, though.
This is a freaking fantastic series, thanks for posting! I definitely just mentally impose Old Max into the new movie in my head-canon, even though it doesn't completely fit (I "squinted hard enough", as you put it). I think the reason it's not a big sticking point whether he looks old is that I'm so accustomed to superhero comics/movies that employ the Un-aging Nature of Superheroes trope, where superheroes generally never age (like how the modern Punisher TV series made him a veteran of wars that hadn't even happened when the character was created in 1974).
Max wouldn't be old. 'Mad Max 4: Fury Road' doesn't take place that many years after 'Mad Max 3: Beyond Thunderdome'. In both films, Max is in his 40s and Tom Hardy was 37 when the 4th film was being filmed.
Continuity clearly doesn’t matter to Miller, and the best way to approach these films is as stand-alone stories taking place in the same fictional world, with an archetypal hero who may or may not literally be the same guy. Miller has spoken of Max as folkloric hero, and the movies as representing stories told about that hero by various story-tellers, stories passed down through the generations - so he may be a composite character loosely based on multiple real people who roved the wasteland. But if you absolutely HAVE TO arrange them in a conventional chronology, it actually makes the most sense to put Fury Road between Mad Max and Mad Max II. Then you don’t need any mental gymnastics about how he rebuilt the interceptor after it’s blown to smithereens. He retrieves it from Immortan Joe’s compound at the end of Fury Road, after Immortan Joe’s forces are defeated, then it’s destroyed sometime later during the events of MM II. Also, he still has the knee brace in Fury Road that he DOESN’T have anymore in Thunderdome, and lacks any of the grey hair he has in that movie.
MMFR: “So, Tom Hardy, we’d like you to wear a mask covering your mouth.” Dark Knight Rises: “So, Tom Hardy…” Tom: “Yes. I know. You’d like me to wear a mask.”
I like to think of it like this: 1, 2, game, 4, then 3. It kind of makes sense if you say Max was 20 before the fall, and that the world in Fury Road is 20-25 years old. It also helps to think of Max as just aging well😂
I always looked at Fury Road as a sequel to the original, but starting a new continuity away from RW and BT. Mostly because the Interceptor is in the opening scene, and was destroyed in the original trilogy. I never really bought into the narrative that he rebuilt the Interceptor after BT. Finding all of the parts to build it on that scale would've been next to impossible, especially since the original was the last of its kind. Too far fetched, IMO.
The way it was explained to me by Colin Gibson was that Max went so mad that he literally had to rebuild his car to even remember who he is. He was also decked out for the journey to the Plains of Silence (as we see at the beginning of Fury Road) but at the same time he was a completely damaged man. He had many traits of PTSD and psychosis - I'll talk about that in one of my upcoming videos. But once you hear the full story I think you'll find that it wasn't so impossible for him to rebuild his Interceptor.
@@MadMaxBible I think Colin Gibson was pulling your crankshaft.... or perhaps didn't know and was just speculating. Max had clearly moved on by Thunderdome where he had a new vehicle and a different outlook. He had settled into wasteland living and wasn't PTSD, whacked out, by Thunderdome.
You mentioned in Part 1 how George Miller wanted to create a legendary and mystical hero figure out of Mad Max and I think the age inconsistency adds to that feeling in Fury Road. Like you said, much of what he says and how he interacts and reacts to things makes it seem like he's older than he looks. While not intentional maybe, it adds an almost supernatural aspect to his character. Why hasn't he aged? Why does he talk like he's seen all this? Why does he look at the world around him through the eyes of someone who's seen the world before? There's almost a ghost like presence to his character because of this inconsistency and I have to say I like it and that fact that he just leaves and disappears at the end just adds to it.
The way I like to see it is that the Max we see in fury road is a Ghost, or a lost Spirit of the max we see in the original trilogy. Sometime between beyond thunder dome and Fury road max loses himself entirely (as mentioned) and he essentially fades away, but isn’t given the luxury of death. Instead he is reincarnated as (let’s say) a reverse Fourth horseman of the apocalypse, and his job is to end the apocalypse instead of bring it about so he can finally die and be with the family his former life had lost. This is why he says he was a cop, and why he looks so young, because his memories of a time long forgot stay with him in a new form who’s sole purpose is to find peace.
Incredible work as always dude! You really put a ton of effort into these videos. I hope you make more in the future since us MM fans are extremely grateful for any additional insight and backstory to the films and characters. As much as I love Fury Road I don't think it could come close to a Mel Gibson version made back in the early 00s where his journey ends going up into the citadel. Have you any information on the Furiosa anime?
I’ve always wondered about FURY ROAD’s relationship to the original trilogy, and really appreciate your clearing that up. In honor of the of the Queen of Soul’s passing I watched THUNDERDOME and had a great time. It has its issues, but man, when it works it’s a real blast.
I've always liked the 4 movies being likened to Clint Eastwood's The Man With No Name... A series of losely connected stories/legends, involving the same protagonist, who may well be an amalgam of different events, by potentially entirely different heroes/anti-heroes, again playing into the whole premise of Max being a somewhat mythological character, and the movies merely being oral retellings of those legends... It simultaneously ties all the movies together, reconciles the discrepancies in the timeline, whilst completely addressing other inconsistencies, such as the existence of the Interceptor in Fury Road after it's destruction in Road Warrior, as well as Max's age and the drastic change in the world - even making the inconsistencies that much better, and all still entirely canon, as the retellings themselves are not meant to be entirely accurate in the first place... This even allows for the game (which I thought was absolutely brilliant, personally) to fit in perfectly with the events of Fury Road, in particular...
Max states in the opening that it's hard to find who was more crazy, him or everyone else. So it could be he's completely insane and is truly mad with almost no concept of time. He would've been wandering with his own mad mind in an empty repetitive plain for 30 years where the only people who he encountered were also equally insane as him. Keep in mind he's basically at the point where he's known this wasteland nearly as long as the time he's known basic normality. Also Considering there's almost no rest in this world he's probably completely derealised and completely insane so when he hears of some people talking of TV's it doesn't register with him because of the monumental trauma, isolation and a pure animalistic need for survival. That's my take.
Great work men in looking now for a time for a good mad max vids and there can be so much lore en things. Like how did imortal joe get his empire? Keep up the work men
I was just at the Mad Max 2 museum in Silverton a couple of weeks ago. I didn’t get around to asking the owner how he thought Fury Road fit into the timeline. My issue had always been that the interceptor was in one piece and functioning at the beginning of Fury road. It does now make sense that Max somehow by some miracle rebuilt it. Although it does leave me wondering why in thunderdome he is using it as a wagon pulled by camels. This video does now make it clearer how Fury road evolved and fits into the timeline.
Buddy you popped in just at the right time because I just finished making a video explaining the history of the Fury Road interceptor. It should answer your questions and it will be up tomorrow so stick around!
@@sorrenblitz805 That's correct. Also the cab was from a cut XA sedan if I remember correctly. I'd have to check but it belonged to someone on the crew and was not meant to be the Interceptor cab on a new chassis.
In one way I feel pain to never see Mel Gibson send off Max but in another way this reboot is what brought me into the Mad Max universe and Its such masterpiece despite all the trouble it uad during development
While BOTH parts of this video series of the Mad Max Timeline are brilliant, for me, as someone who saw the original Mad Max in the United States in 1979 at the age of 15, there is ONE THING and ONE THING only that convinced me while watching Fury Road in the theatre then and to this day, that Fury Road is the THIRD FILM in the 4 part Mad Max series. And that is.....the sight of the "last of the V8 Interceptors" in the opening scene of Fury Road. And ESPECIALLY its destruction shortly after. I IMMEDIATELY turned to my friend beside me and whispered, " So THIS is set between Road Warrior and Thunderdome!" While the absolutely BRILLIANT freeze frame and digital zoom/enhancement of the various dates in scenes from the first 3 Mel Gibson Mad Max movies revealed in the first part of this series makes for a COMPELLNG and CREDIBLE framing of the timeline of the first 3 movies.....along with the number of days from the nuclear apocalypse tattooed on Tom Hardy's back in Fury Road.....I must say that in the 40 years since seeing the original Mad Max in 1979 and watching ALL 3 FILMS many times over since then, I NEVER REMOTELY saw those little date cues. I dare say NO ONE has until employing the techniques of freeze framing and digital zooming/enhancement. Therefore....without those above mentioned visual aids, the ONLY natural reaction to THIS film viewer and I dare say EVERYONE I spoke with since then, was to say that Mad Max: Fury Road is the THIRD INSTALLMENT....NOT the last. Furthermore....if you watch them in THAT order you will see something more than a little heartbreaking for the character Max. So please follow me here for a moment. In Mad Max you see the destruction and death of Max's family and Max driving the last of the V8 Interceptors at the end of the film after he has killed all the perpetrators. In Mad Max: Road Warrior you see a MUCH more hardened character STILL driving the last of the V8 Interceptors AND dealing with his personal loss and the loss of the world he knew. However, you see a brief admiration and camaraderie between Max and the female warrior, played by actress Virginia Hey. However, she is killed before any possible relationship could take root.....if ANY could after Max's horrible loss. In Mad Max: Fury Road you see a STILL YOUNGISH Max STILL driving the last of the V8 Interceptors until its early destruction. While it is rebuilt it is destroyed AGAIN before Max has a chance to drive it once more. At the end of the film you see Max WALKING away from Furiosa, someone LIKE the female warrior in Road Warrior, that, while Max has an admiration for which is mutual with Furiosa, the relationship isdoomed to ever launch because Max is STILL haunted by the death of his family which is why he WALKS AWAY alone into the desert to an uncertain future. In Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome you NOW see an older, grayer Max ON FOOT WITHOUT A V8 INTERCEPTOR...(because it was DESTROYED in Fury Road)...wandering the blasted out remains of the Outback trying to find his purpose and still haunted by the loss of his family. As with Road Warrior and Fury Road, Max meets YET ANOTHER strong female character in the form of Aunty Entity played by Tina Turner. Although it becomes a relationship of antagonism, there is STILL this admiration that grows between the two but is yet ANOTHER EXAMPLE of a doomed relationship that could never take root. ON TOP OF THAT the lost group of children who survived the plane crash in the desert do nothing but remind Max of his own dead child and he realizes he could NEVER be the father figure this group of children need. So at the end of Thunder Road you see the haunting vision of the aging Max wandering off into the desert yet again in the night....still alone, without a mate and without children. I REALLY think that if you watch the Mad Max series in this order....Mad Max, Road Warrior, Fury Road and finally Thunderdome.....it makes for a more cohesive narrative and visually makes more sense in the aging of the character from the first film to the last. Of course....visually the only incongruous thing is the introduction of Tom Hardy in Fury Road for the obvious reason is that he looks NOTHING like Mel Gibson. Finally....if you DON'T watch them in this order, I believe the ONLY way to look at Fury Road is that it is a TOTAL REBOOT and NOT canonical in relation to the Mel Gibson versions.
That's a great comment! Logically speaking, without any input from the creators that looks to be a reasonable timeline of the Mad Max movies. However once you talk to the creators, it is not what they had in mind. What if I told you that they intended Max to be travelling with V8 Interceptor parts in the back of the Camel Wagon in MMBT?. Yep - he was on the quest to rebuild his car since Mad Max 3. There are also a lot of other hints as to why Max is progressively going insane over the course of all 4 movies. Fury Road being the culmination of how batshit crazy he got. And finally - Aunty Entity would never get into a relationship with Max. Aunty is a representation of Max, but that calls for its own video.
I loved Fury Road, and i also straight up thought that going into too much detail felt wrong. It felt like that campfire story type thing. When we watched it, my missus asked me when he didn't go up with Furiosa, i said, she found redemption, he didn't.
Well, maybe it's a campfire story. That after the trilogy, he became an ageless, mythical character. A part of the new Australian folklore. I mean, the fall of the world as we know it won't stop people from creating a new culture. And creating stories and tails from whatever they observed. It may be a story from the tribe that he found in Beyond Thunderdome. Or it could be someone whom Max met during his shenanigans.
The 4 horsemen are the 4 cardinal signs. Stare at the tarots "the world", "the chariot", reread Ezk137/Ezekiel 37. Mere allegory & parables resulting in the worst outcome of'the game "telephone"' has the masses spooked by nonsensical myths...god help humanity.
That's not really a theory as much as a logical impossibility. Sorry to be blunt but it's true. Absolutely nothing in common between the two characters. "Death" the horseman of the apocalypse isn't a human person it's an allegory...and even if it wasn't, everything of Max we see in all films is him being very un-godlike and suffering and being in weak places several times when he would have just used his power if he was "death" personified.
@@Star17venus The movie is fictional. It's a fictional world. It's not real. It doesn't actually exist. If people want to speculate about horsemen of the whatever in relation to this fictional movie's world, there's nothing wrong with that. *Who cares!*
Read the Mad Max: Fury Road comics they're Canon to Films. As in comic the title characters are many be the same but are drawn differently by many artists; an example Batman.
@@robertlund5694 Fury Road was a good movie in its own right. But it has no right being part of the Mad Max franchise. There's too much that doesn't fit and too little that does. For starters Max is not even Max. Or at least not the same Max.
Good job on a well presented, well researched piece of content. As a recent subscriber I suspected you would deliver content I wanted and you haven't disappointed! I would love to have seen a movie, or maybe even a TV series about the Feral Boy. I bet that could have been an awesome story.
I always thought the movies were told through someone else's eyes. Except for the very first film. Mad Max 2 ( The Road Warrior) was told by the Feral Child.
Beyond Thunderdome was told by the Waiting Ones and Auntie.
Fury Road by Furiosa and the Brides.
Each storyteller gives us a different Max, so stories could be limitless.
NO NO NO doesn't fit no matter how sideways you try
Except there is consistency in the first 3 stories of max. Like how he acted, what he was like and he gradually was getting older.
No.
@@soulsurvivor8293 very true
Well, Furiosa is one bad storyteller.
@@jovanjorgovan23 you can only get a story from the storyteller. In the comics the Brides appoint a new teacher of the past called the History Man, who tells of the past, including Max's stories. Like the videos suggest, Max as Tom Hardy went through everything from the collapse of civilization to Fury Road in a much shorter timeline. The History Man is the storyteller to us, even though Furiosa is telling the tale to him.
I appreciate that in the final product of Fury Road, they cut the love plot between Max and Furiosa. I just like their platonic friendship much better. It makes sense for both of their characters, and frankly it's just more fitting for the spirit of the series in general.
I don't know if I necessarily agree. A lot of what made him Mad Max was his losing his family, and thus the last strings tying him to his humanity, and the rest of the series is mostly framed as him fixing his broken mind by learning how to be human again. Ending the series with him being damaged but healing and opening himself to love again would've been a little cheesy but a satisfying end for a man who lost everything against the backdrop of the literal world ending.
@@sorrenblitz805 I agree with you on this. It would have made way more sense to end it that way.
I'm glad they cut it too
I thought Max was a bland character in Fury Road. Especially with Hardy as the actor he could have been a lot more interesting.
Not 100%, but I'd bet a big part of cutting the love story was because Tom Hardy & Charlize Theron hated each other in real life
With how you see Max's mental instability in the beginning, i interpreted that we're seeing Max as he sees himself, not as others see him. He's young, because he never progressed. He was never able to leave the things that traumatized him and haunted him, so for him he sees himself in the same way he saw himself decades ago.
That is a cool way of interpreting the film - it would have been nice for a glimpse of reality during the film in someway (fleeting switch to Mel Gibson at the age he is now, before switching back)..
Looking in a mirror or pool of water and blur thr effects together find his lowest most defeated point and augment it revealing his actual brokenness and loss then snap back to his mythos and do a turn about
Fury Road with its completely insane over the top world, the massive psychedelic permanent sandstorm wall, no ocean at all, super DIY Big Rigs of Death, etc etc. It all really strikes me as this embellished sailor's tale. Like it started off more like Road Warrior, ended up like Eraser Head meets John Wick kinda shit but it's somebody telling this ridiculous, unbelievably intense and insane story about this unkillable psycho who beats the crap out of sandstorms and doesn't afraid of anybody, who wandered off into the darkness while being shot at indiscriminately, and killed everyone shooting at him. This guy went to the salty spitoon and drank big Dudley's milkshake in front of Big Dudley and Big Dudley's mom, no one's stomping this crazy SOB with an unloaded sawed off. He then drove the Super Cyborg Queen right up to the evil bad man's car and helped her rip Double Ugly's face off with a grappling hook and then disappeared into the wasteland like a ghost.
I take FR as an extension of the way Mad Max was told. This *isn't* the real story. THIS is the story that got told 3 generations after the last living witness died and Max has become an eternally young force of nature tearing through the wastes
@@sorrenblitz805did you ever watch Eraserhead? You can't just throw that into sentences and hope it makes sense
I would be fine with a mutation explanation, where he begins to age slower and slower, which would also add to the "madness" aspect. It's been used before in similar story environments. It would add an element to the story where Max actually remembers being there before the war and living for a hundred years, but of course no one believe him due to how young he looks. If anyone wants to question this as too far fetched, take into account that cancer cells are technically immortal and do not age, they continually reproduce.
I kinda liked that idea actually. It makes sense that logically while most mutation is simply just cancer or defect, some humans get a boost. Max being labeled as High Octane could possibly mean he doesn't age could live for 80+ years continuing to be in a youthful healthy state. Like Sgt. Johnson from Halo.
eh for that they would have had to use Mel Gibson and then 3d animate him to look young. Tom Hardy just doesn't look, feel or act like the original Mad Max at all. I like the idea of the Tom Hardy Mad Max being the boomerang kid. Or just calling Mad Max more like a myth or spirit that some instantiate. If the Mad Max brand continues it could be similar to 007.
Age affects everyone differently too, like for example I rented a house once from a 93 year old man once. I was prepared to meet a frail old man, I mean he had a friend manage his properties for him, he sounded like he was hands off and enjoying life. Yeah no, turned out this guy just needed somebody 25 years younger to do business semi affectively in today's world. He was literally just 93 and terrible in social situations, incompatible with the modern world in most ways. Some people say boomers are incompatible, I say give it 25 more years! Jokes aside though, this guy may be 93 in the head, but he still did all repair work on his rentals, and like for me, he would take the yard waste to the dump and if there was more to go he would take it too. He would shovel up an entire years worth of grass clippings and leaves from a pile and into the back of his pickup, then pickup the branches and any other stuff I had set aside, all in one go by himself! Id see him doing this and offer to help, but he would always refuse. I noticed he truly didn't need my help, and that the dude was in better health and physical shape then I am at 24 too! Its a bold statement, but he can easily do things that I can't and without even breaking a sweat at that! Like being flexible enough to break into the house when I locked myself out, and carrying a window air conditioner from one end of the house to the other. I should be able to do these things easily too, but I have a back and shoulder injury making me weaker in the department of carrying things, and flexibility. Like I can do these things, but I would need a break halfway carrying the AC, and it would take me hours if not the course of a day to load a truck with that much stuff! But the 93 year old did it in one go, and took one hour at the most! I was even more surprised to learn that this guy had a heart attack in his late 40s, smoked until his early 50s, worked in construction his whole career. It was the heart attack that made him rethink his lifestyle, he stopped smoking, still eats the same things but in smaller portions, and him refusing my help with things is in a way how he gets in enough excercise. As a result he more or less stopped aging at 55, like if you look at him, go for a drive with him, talk to him, you'd be like "wow for only being in his 50s that guy sure is backwards" because that's how it went when I met him, I thought he was somebody else, and didn't find out for about a week that the antisocial lawnmower guy was in fact my 93 year old landlord. I was talking with his property manager and that's how I found out lol! I remember saying "oh god he looked like he was maybe 55 AND he hulked a lawnmower up into a truck by himself, there's no way that's him!"... Yeah, I saved the best til last, he looks 55, even with a shirt off he looks 55! If we remove gray hair as an identifying feature of somebody over a certain age Tom Hardy could be 55...
I like the idea of Max being the feral kid as well. For one, Hardy looks more like the feral kid more than he does Mel Gibson, plus the scene with Max going to take on the Bullet Farmer and he was holding a boomerang, plus the little music box one of the wives had, that Max gave the feral kid. Regardless I also the idea of Max really being “mad” too…Ironic as Max was helping a feral kid and then he himself turns feral who needs help, which he got by finding purpose in his life again by help Furiosa and the wives.
Make him a Fallout ghoul, they are immortal but turn mad over time due to brain rot...
My personal take on Fury Road has always been the because it, just like Road warrior is told by a third party. Which means (to me) that what Max looked like is based on that persons memory. So any actor could in theory have been chosen.
thats an interesting take. by the time the stories would have been passed on to the young, max would have taken on a Mythological level of heroism. in the same vein of Heracles, Gilgamesh, Quetzalcoatl, Coyote, (although coyote is more of a prankster than hero, he did give the people fire).
This is how I choose to think about it as well. Fury Road doesn't feel like Max's story because it is being shown to us from Furiosa's perspective, who would end up being one of the few healthy enough to survive long after the events of the movie in order to tell the tale.
That's the true true.
"We don't need the knowing, we can live here."
―The Tell
That’s the way I’ve always interpreted it. Honestly it makes the most sense. The only film from Max’s point of view/narration is first movie, and the opening scene of Fury Road. These are all legends, myths of the road warrior, the raggedy man, the fool. The one simply known as Max
It's like what Tia Dalma said in Dead Man's Chest "Same story, different versions and all are true."
Mad max: we can’t make a sequel starring the original cast, people have moved on and don’t remember the film
Blade runner: hold my beer
Hahaha!
They're not quite the same though. Deckard and Joe are different characters, so Ford returned in a supporting role.
In Fury Road, we're invited to re-imagine the events of the original Mad Max films as having occurred later in time.
So why was the Toe-Cutter playing Immortan Joe??
Nice
@@judgegrinch1139 i liked it, it had the lost feeling of an epic movie.
The two good reboots of this decade.
Sorry Drevin but you're wrong about Blade Runner: 2049 being garbage, perhaps your viewpoint on the movie is garbage but not the movie itself.
I like to think that the chronological inconsistencies are a sign of Max's increasing madness. Maybe the world isn't as damaged as he perceives it to be, or he isn't as young as he sees himself as.
The video game implies this. The character Griffa continuously asks Max where he's going, he replies the Plains of Silence, but Griffa says he's already there. Asks What year it is Max doesn't know, Asks where Max is Max doesn't know, How old Max is, Max doesn't know. Why the V8? Why the plains of Silence, Max doesn't have answers to any of these questions and the game sort of implies the world may be a wasteland but the way Max perceives things about the wasteland make them worse than they are.
When you consider _all_ of the hurdles, setbacks, massive delays, re-casting, re-writing, etc., it's that much _more_ amazing that the final product turned out to be _such_ a *masterpiece.*
A masterpiece sorry you spelt piece of rip off shit wrong
It's a miracle that it's coherent as it is
@@nicholashodges201 they just used the words mad max to sell there shit movie other wise no one would have gone and seen it
@@mitchellschmidt7885 Mel Gibson is never gonna fuck you. Get over it and go away
You’re comment is “mediocre”…
I'm most likely wrong but i like the theory that Hardy is playing the part of that feral kid from Road Warrior, Max left such an impact on him that he adapted his backstory while going mad in the wastelands.
Miller addressed this fan theory and said that it's interesting but Max is not the Feral Kid. He said that the Feral Kid went on to live with the Northern Tribe and became their leader with time, didn't have any identity crisis going around pretending he's Max.
Yeah i know it is pretty far fetched theory but for some reason i like it.
I think the feral kid is chumbucket from the video game.
Feral kid became the leader of the great northern tribe
Tom Hardy Max sees visions/flashbacks of Toecutter in Fury Road. Feral Kid would never have met Toecutter.
Interviewers: Where does Fury Road fit in to the Mad Max timeline?
George Miller: Yes.
I always thought it would be better to be BEFORE Thunder dome
Mel Gibson was perfect he's genuinely Mad.
Tony Saenz - you're right on BUSTER, you said it 👍
I like Tom Hardy hes a great actor and played the role well.But the true Mad Max fans wanted to see Mel Gibson.Yes hes mad and a racest.But he only became that because of HOLLYWOOD itself.When u look in from the outside as a regular person all u want is good movies.I dont agree with how Mel Gibson has become.But in the end nobody really cares.We love Mel for what he was.A awesome actor.And now an awesome director.But people only think about actors not directors.After all an actor plays the role.And a director directs the role.We only emulate what we see on screen.But Mel should have played in Fury Road and we all know it.Regaurdless of how insane hes become.
Mel started it he should end it
@@lawrencecarpenter638 he slep with Tina hello
@@lawrencecarpenter638 yeah Tom is good at playing people who are a bit off.
I recently watched the mad max films for the first time and I took “a few years from now” as a few years from whenever who is watching it is watching it, if that makes any sense...
Definitely makes sense
So exactly how George A Romero intended people to take the Dead series? All of them being the same zombie apocalypse, so Dawn of the Dead from 1978 technically takes place in whatever year the audience is watching it with Night taking place 2 weeks before it and Day 3-5 years after Dawn. He intended it all to be the same event no matter what decade. So if George Miller applied the same logic Mad Max 1 takes place some time in the 2030's?
I saw him more like a mythological figure in a story passed through word of mouth. The legend of a "Road Warrior" who helps the poor and kills the baddies in a world where there's no laws or police to protect you. So him being young and handsome would represent how people wanted to remember him, rather than what he was actually like. Alternatively, it could be that another person assumed the identity of Max for some reason, but without any lead as to who this person really is, there's not much to go on here. Or maybe it doesn't really matter if Max is the same or a different person, or which timeline we should look into for answers, because the only thing that matters is the character and their exploits, and not how they fit into the grand scheme of things. Sort of like James Bond. In any case, good work explaining why I had to wait such a long time for Miller to finally finish this god damn movie.
A modern day take on Robin Hood.
I've been following the development of Fury Road since about 2003. At one point, George Miller said he saw the character of Max like the character of James Bond. I took that to mean it's a role that could be filled by different people. Maybe a protege of Max (not necessarily his son)- or even someone who had only heard the legends- took the mantle upon himself, built a replica of the car, and tried to "fill Max's shoes"....
p.s. I'm totally subscribing to this channel!
I like this explanation. It reminds me of the Viking sagas of Ragnar Lothbrok . While Ragnar’s sons are actual historical figures a lot of history scholars believe Ragnar is more a combination of many different historical figures. They believe he is likely just the literary personification of multiple Vikings, their stories, heroics and conquests shared through Norse poetry and word of mouth stories. Along the way all these stories were attributed to one mythological man.
This is actually prevelent in Iconography of the medieval period as well, they tend to depict historical or semi-historical events by updating the look of the historical figures to the present standards.
As an example, Macbeth was suppose to be set in the 1050s yet in every depiction they update it to the 1600s or even the modern age.
Even Macbeth the story is not very accurate to Macbeth the person.
I wonder if the future fury road videos will reveal if Max is someone else or they will just simply ignore that and we are just supposed to accept that this is Max.
I think it fits into the whole "campfire legend" concept. When people are sitting around telling stories around a fire about mythic legends they don't really concern themselves with continuities or timelines.
Max is Max. A warrior of the road who wanders the wasteland in his interceptor fighting for his life against the hellish inhabitants. That is you need.
You don't need to bother yourself with previous stories or previous characters or Max's age or what he might know or might not know of the world before unless it fits into the story.
The characters are supposed to go see a wise sage who knows of the world before. So they do. They don't ask Max about that stuff because that isn't interesting. That doesn't carry the same mysticism of seeing a wise old sage at the fringe of reality.
Max is a legend. The "real" Max is long dead if he ever existed at all in this world. If a group of people in the wasteland come across a helpful stranger dressed like a road warrior driving a car his name could be Bubbah from Queensland who drives a VW microbus but when they tell the story they will say they met Max Rockatansky who saved them in his interceptor.
People do this even now today. If you're having a horrible, nightmare of a day and someone comes by and helps you, saves you, you may retell that story with addition of "I was saved by an angel." or "God sent an angel to save me"
Okay YOU may not but I know people who would. My point is that Fury Road doesn't need continuity links to previous movies because they don't matter. This is a story about Mad Max. And that is all that really matters.
Beyond the campfire hero concept, I like to think that if Max's stories are through his perspective and the people around him at the time, that the radiation and fallout that has ravaged everyone else actually made Max stronger, live longer and harder to kill, same with Furiosa and the wives. Angharad was technically still alive even after being run over by the Giga Horse, of course she was broken and dying but she has to be a little more than the average human to survive that even a little bit. I think some people are affected in a beneficial way by the radiation, kind of in the same way some animals in Fukushima and Chernobyl's exclusion zones are beginning to thrive better in that humanly uninhabitable environment.
@@sorrenblitz805 too super hero like for taste, I personally like that Max is human and is hurt and he uses his ingenious to win over his opponents.
Theyll just tell us to accept it, like they did with star wars
This made me appreciate fury road even more, they had so many obstacles along the way and, in the end, the result was even better than what Mr. Miller originally wanted, a true masterpiece.
Still would have been better with mel gibson
Actually Hardy didn’t really do anything physically that Gibson could’ve t have done. Miler probably just didn’t want to deal with Mad Mel with all his issues at the time.
I always had a theory that the character “Blaster” in Beyond Thunderdome was the same person who was the young man with Down Syndrome in the first Mad Max movie. Remember the older lady who was with Max and his wife when the gang attacked? She had either a son or grandson who had Down Syndrome. I always thought that Max wasn’t just shocked by discovering that Blaster had Down Syndrome, but that he possibly recognized him. As for the adults who disappeared after leaving the Crack in the Earth, I think the were “swallowed up” in Bartertown, like Max had said what would happen to the kids if they ventured out from the Crack in the Earth.
Wait that’s just a theory? I always assumed that was just him.
I always have believed that too.
I thought the same thing..
No it's not fuck off with Ur dumb bull shit it's been proved a number of times they are totally different people over hearing this bullshit
Same!
James Bond never ages either (he should be in his late 80s by now). So, it's the same deal with Mad Max.
'James Bond' is not his real name, it's the codename. Each new recruit is given that name, but they are all different people.
@@TransoceanicOutreach Except that if you saw Skyfall, then you know that isn't even remotely true. Not only is James Bond not a code name, it's actually his real birth name. Worst spy ever!
@@TransoceanicOutreach And that one with Roger Moore or whoever where he grieves at the headstone of the previous one's wife
Mickey Spillane aged his detective character, Mike Hammer, in real time. By the time of his last novel, that made Mike Hammer in his 70s -- but he was still beating up roomfuls of mob goons and making every woman he met weak at the knees and ready to fall into bed with him. Spillane just disregarded reality for the sake of story-telling, which is what this movie does. And it makes sense, since the character of Mad Max was _intentionally_ made to be iconic and archetypal, a demi-god like Hercules or Theseus (or Mike Hammer) and thus not forced to abide by normal rules of reality.
I agree with that. Why should this be a reboot just because it was YEARS after thunder doom and it has an other guy playing Max?
I interpret it as completely rebooted honestly. The start of a whole new trilogy. Making two very different feeling trilogies rather than a 6 film franchise that vastly changes halfway. Fury Road is one of the greatest action films of all time to me, and I’m visiting this after having watched the original trilogy for the first time, rewatching fury road, and seeing the furiosa trailer at least 15 times now. So stoked for that.
Furiosa looking a bit more better in terms of explaining the origins
WHY MAX LOOKS 30 INSTEAD OF 50
He stumbled upon an old semi truck full of a lifetime’s supply of Rogaine.
Why isnt mentioned here that "Toecutter" in the 1979 Mad Max is actually the same actor ( Hugh Keays-Byrne ) as "Immortan Joe" in the 2015 film Mad Max: Fury Road ?
i always like to think Immortan Joe IS Toecutter. and that fury road started as max trying to survive, but turns into a revenge story of max seeking revenge for his family.
@@ianbirchfield5124 I think he is Toecutter. I really do. That's how I watch the movie anyway.
But so many years have passed, and Joecutter is so fucked up now that his mind would be even more warped and he looks almost nothing like before, so him and Max wouldn't recognise each other, especially since they never got a really good look at each other that I remember.
But imagine that Joecutter (that's how I think of him) is the way he is (physically especially), because of the horific injuries he sustained smashing into that truck. Miraculous that he survived. Maybe one of his other bike gang members (who we barely saw, or even never saw) came across him and got him some help or something.
@@w0bbl3r Well, he got hit by a huge truck and her legs were crushed by three wheels
I don't know if someone could survive that, and at that time, where the world was about to crumble, there was no medics I guess
@@karl3097 That's what makes it even cooler to me though. That Toecutter was such a ruthless hard bastard that not even death could beat him
I rewatched the original movie last year, and I understand the crash he went through. But to think he's still alive, is only about as crazy as seeing the same guy, flying an aircraft, supposedly about 15 years apart, who are allegedly 2 different people.
Or Max himself being too young to have been a cop, according to the movies own timeline. Or Max being a different person now than he was before.
These are fantasy stories on an epic scale, and in fantasy anything can happen.
That's how I think of it anyway.
@@ianbirchfield5124 toe cutter got destroyed. I think of it more of a 'ghosts of the past' thing. Like max sees him as similar because he wants to kill him.
Man, seeing this footage with Mel, I really would have loved to see that film with him. He looks so badass!
Tom Hardy was great in this role, but to fit more accurately to the story I would have loved to seen Mel Gibson as Max one last time, his greatest role of his career.
certainly with all the so-called turbulence in Gibson's life, that would have been the perfect time for him to play Mad Max once again.
agree!!
He's pretty jacked these days too i would've loved to see him as Max again
@@blairbrown4812 breh his turbulence was being a racist piece of shit lmao
@@blairbrown4812 like he was great in the originals i love them but he’s a piece of shit
Maybe Max is just one of those few people who never age
i kind of assumed that
maybe he's a timelord
Like Jordi Hurtado
Yep, Mad Max is Dick Clark.
I know nobody will get that.
He's spent the whole time trapped in his broken state, unable to move on even physically.
The feral kid idea would be cool to like he just takes over Max’s place because he idolizes him so much and he forms his identity around max
its the most realistic of takes. Mad Max can never die because he is a myth. So when he does eventually pass the idea of Mad Max is taken over by another. Maybe he is just a man that picked up the mythos from stories he heard as a kid or maybe he worked with mel gibson's max. I don't like the idea that Mel Gibson's Max is the same as Tom Hardy's Max.
That has been disproven
Best video about Mad Max timeline that I found on RUclips! Congratulations to the author.
Agree! This is why it turned out as it is. Messy, yes, but better this than no movie at all! Besides, in a few years the purists will be able to buy a bootleg version where a perfectly aged Mel replaces Tom. Having cheap AI (artificial intelligence) won’t be all bad - even if we’re out of work.
@@MadMaxBible I spent hours reading comments on youtube videos.
People coming with different ideas and discussions about this franchise.
But let me give you different ideas/answers to these two frequent questions
related to Fury Road being sequel to an original trilogy.
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1. Mad Max in Fury Road (Tom Hardy) being too young to be cop before
apocalypse - should've been old as Vuvalini.
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I read that statement many times, saying how Max should be in his 50's,
not in 30's as portrayed by Tom Hardy.
Statement among many reasons, has a base in Miller's script which says Max was 23
in first Mad Max movie.
Reason behind this age is obviously Mel Gibson's age by the time of film
being done.
What i find interesting is that everybody follows that principle, but ignoring
same when looking at Tom Hardy's Max, saying how young he looks.
BUT if we use same principle, we can see that Tom Hardy was 38 by the time of film
being done.
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After mentioning Tom Hardy's age and his "youthful look" i can say that his age is not far away from: Max being 23yo at the events of first movie, 25-26yo in second movie, and around 40-42yo in third movie (cause third movie takes 15 years after second).
Now events from Fury Road we don't know how far away are, but based on comics it could be right away after events of third movie.
Having said all of these, Max in Fury Road would be JUST 5 YEARS OLDER than Tom Hardy at time of film being made.
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Now i know you can still laugh at me saying that Tom Hard's Max is still too young.
But i can provide two answers to that:
a) If Miller shortly find some compromise with WB and starts filming new Mad Max movie, and if it will be sequel to Fury Road (taking time immedietaly after) instead of prequel, Max would still be around 40-45 years older.
NOW READ CAREFULLY!
Based by previous experience how long Miller took to film any of Mad Max movies and release it as a final product (couple of years), Tom Hardy currently aged 41, would be close to 45yo which would finally make him relevant to age of Max, and remove all disputes.
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b) Mel Gibson was much younger than Max in third movie.
I know makeup makes a thing, but i believe we can follow these example as to not look too serious at Max's age, and actor's age.
2. Years in movies all together make no sense to Max being that young etc etc.
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First of all, years that appear in movies are not easy to find, it is really hard to spot them
without pausing the movie. Which in my eyes make them "Easter eggs" and not important to follow.
No question that they were part of the script from that time - but Mad Max is in floating timeline.
It was logic that if they filmed first movie in 70's that they will use cars from that time, and "few years from now" to make some background story.
And it is same logic that they used modern weapons and cars in Fury Road, cause again we need to use same "few years from now" logic, as it is FLOATING TIMELINE.
Ofcourse Immortan Joe has nokia 3310 part on his "armor", if they make Mad Max movie in next 20 years new villian will probably have iPhone 5 par on his armor.
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To better explain my opinion about this "problem" i will use Batman example.
Batman in first comics and movies had suroundings based on era it was made.
Such as era of 40's, 50's, 60's and so on.
New Batman movies such as Dark Knight trilogy has suroundings of modern era.
Same floating timeline should be with Mad Max franchise.
Thats why is good choice not puting Mel Gibson to be Max again, thats why Miller said "the Mad Max apocalypse is always just around the corner from the world we live in".
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And that's my friends why we should ignore all these years being "hidden" in the movies.
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THANKS FOR READING!
I'm a fan of the series since the 80's, and I always took those stories as you say, campfire tales for the younger in an indetermined future, and Max being more like an archetype rather than an hystorical figure in that universe. Furthermore, I imagine him being completely different people in each story, it's the oral tradition through generations which turns him into a single legendary person. FR fits perfectly in that scenario, it's just a new tale. And I couldn't care less if the character is done by different actors, anyways.
I really enjoyed Fury Road tbh and although I'd like to have seen Mel Gibson as Max one last time, having Tom Hardy has opened up the opportunity for further movies which is exactly what we want.
As a James Bond fan, you start to figure out it doesn’t matter who the actor is. It’s about the character. So it didn’t bother me at all the Hardy played the role. In fact I liked him in it very much. Plus I never got the sense that Max was young. Hardy isn’t as old as Mel, but he’s not young either. (currently 45 yoga). I loved it and hope Wasteland continues his saga as Max.
Before I saw this I always placed Fury Road after The Road Warrior and before Thunderdome. It just seemed to make the most sense to me that way. I never noticed the date tattooed on Max's back in FR.
Masta Neenja Wow thats exactly what I thought too.This comment should be seen more
Yes! His age makes sense if Fury Road is between the 2nd and 3rd films. Finally found a comment with the same timeline i like. It makes more sense for Max to have his car at the start of Fury Road, and lose it before Thunder Dome, making that his retirement adventure.
This was really cool seeing all the pre-production stills and what not. Him having the interceptor had always puzzled me after it's destroyed in Mad Max 2. You mentioned some of the gang members in MM2, I'd always considered Humongous was Police Chief Fifi and perhaps the subordinate with his face covered and cop leathers was Goose. There's so much to like about this whole world that has been created. Proud it's Aussie made, FANG IT!
hold up... 1:10 does that say that BRUCE CAMPBELL was considered for the lead?! where the hell did that Idea go?!
The thing about those old news articles is that they're riddled with speculation by journalists. That's why I stuck with hard news that was out there, otherwise journalists loved to throw in random names to generate buzz for the article. Bruce Campbell was one of those names and there was a ton more, Michael Biehn for example. I wouldn't get too hung up on Campbells name being mentioned there really...
I had never seen The Mad Max trilogy in my lifetime but after coming across your video I decided to give it a try and I fell in love with it.
In the next video I will be talking about the Mad Max video game and why it is so confusing. Also, prepare yourselves for many bombshells which I encountered while researching this topic which is relevant to the future of Mad Max movies.
@Mad Max Bible Don't forget the cowboy boot. I mentioned it in my first Interceptor Video which has somehow accumulated over 30,000 views.
Just finished the game. Can't wait for that video. The past two were the most comprehensive way to explain the Mad Max movies and their background. Thank you.
The cowboy boot isn't worth mentioning in the light of what WB did to the game and the future of Mad Max. I can only sum it up like this: total carelessness.
@Mad Max Bible Very much looking forward to the video.
Can't wait to see your analysis, the time line seems extremely confusing to me as well. I mentioned in one of my vids that it seemed like they were purposely trying to make the timeline unclear in the video game.
Yes they have purposefully muddied the waters in almost everything in the game. But there are very serious reasons for doing so and even more serious consequences to that. WB did not know what they were doing with the material...
Seeing a warboy having a chill conversation with the director is really strange
Also i think in Fury Road max is 55. But he just looks young...
I absolutely love this video series, thank you so much for making it. I love the franchise, and some of this was new info even to me, and my not-too-shabby knowledge of the series. I'm glad you stand by the fact that Fury Road is, in fact, the fourth film and not a reboot, and you're not trying to stuff it somewhere else in the timeline while ignoring details given to us by the film itself, or even Miller's words. The one or two minor inconsistencies stuck out for me as well, so I feel you there haha. Far as the age thing though, I think we're just gonna have to write that off and move on. Max is supposed to be a mythological figure anyway, and we're supposed to be getting these stories second-hand for the most part. I recall someone at some point (I think it was Miller back in the day) said that Road Warrior was 5 years after the original film, and Beyond Thunderdome was supposed to be 15 years after Road Warrior, so there's already a big time gap there that the age doesn't REALLY account for, so we're already blurring that detail for the sake of story. As the song goes though, in the end, it doesn't even matter, because Max is mythology, and the stories are too.
Anyway, like I said, love the videos, thanks for the new info, and I hope to see more from you in the future!
@Sam Falco Did you even watch the whole video? He calls it a reboot at 10:37 and at 10:51
He states that it was being CALLED a reboot, but the script was exactly the same. The point is made that the movie is not a reboot, because literally the only things changed were that Max is played by someone else, and that he doesn't go up into the Citadel at the end of the film. Not only that, but he includes the comic book and video game prequels into this retrospective, which clearly paint the rest of the picture for the series, and cast Fury Road as a SEQUEL, not a REBOOT. When people try to make the stupid argument that Fury Road is a reboot, they always say "Well, ignoring the comics, and video game, which don't count." oh but except they DO count, because Miller is the one who came up with the backstory for how Max got the Interceptor back, and what finally drove him over the edge. The presence of these stories solidifies the fact that it is a sequel, part of an ongoing series, not a restart of the whole thing, and in the video, he states at 18:33 that the movie fits in as part 4 "after the original trilogy", but that it was merely BRANDED as a reboot somewhere along the way by others. The whole point of the video is that Fury Road was constructed to be a sequel from day one, and you can either look at it as a climactic conclusion to the series, or if they make more, the start of a new trilogy.
Did YOU even watch the whole video?
@Sam Falco He calls it a reboot in his own words at 10:37 and at 10:51 The whole premise of this video is to explain how it lost continuity and became a reboot and the director of the film himself has even called it a reboot/revisit.
Okay first off, I know what he fucking says at the time code, and you can throw that around all you like, but its not part of his conclusion. You see, when you're presenting research, you provide your thesis, your information, then a conclusion. Information in the middle of a presentation doesn't sum up your thoughts, that happens at the END of it. And at the end, he clearly states that the movie fits in as a sequel. AND AGAIN, the video game and comics clearly paint the film as a sequel. You're blatantly ignoring things that make it that, so if you're just gonna continue to do that, there's no point in debating you, because you're clearly an ass.
Secondly, George Miller said lots of stuff while promoting the movie, and changed what he said numerous times because he wasn't sure what they were doing with it till the end. Making the comics though pretty much solidified what he wants it to be, and he's ALSO quoted as saying that it takes place "sometime after Thunderdome".
Stop digging your hole deeper, and move on.
Fury Road is a sequel that's been rebranded to 'reboot'.
Fury Road in 2003 was going to be a sequel with Mel Gibson and a different ending. That never got shot.
Fury Road in 2015 was a soft reboot with almost exact same story, and a different actor.
So technically Fury Road is a sequel - let me explain why:
Because the whole movie was designed as such. The core of it, the whole story, the gigantic character arc for Max, the biggest chase sequences etc etc etc - it was meant to finish the series.
Had Fury Road been written as a reboot from the beginning we would have a completely different movie.
In that sense, officially on paper - Fury Road is called a reboot because it's got a new hood ornament. But look under the hood and it's a sequel. That's the best analogy I can find for what this movie is.
What a great and refreshing explanation about the trilogy and what is coming for Mad Max.
Great videos. I like the idea of Mad Max being a mythological character from The far future. It opens up that universe for MORE stories. I was truly worried about this film when I heard they were making a New one, but they completely knocked it out the park. they could potentially make several more movies about MAX and his adventures, even if they use different actors, it would still work . That being said, In my own personal head canon, I like to think of fury road being set between Road Warrior and Thunderdome.
More stories would work also because I've always seen mad max as a title more than a real person, like a legendary figure...The Mad Max. At the same time the wasteland doesn't necessarily have to be the australian desert, it can just be a desert in a planet who's forgotten it's name. If we hold this true who cares who interprets mad max, as long as it's as badass as necessary.
Mad max exists in a timeless place, so that no matter who he looks like, he is still max and his adventures are as timeless as he... but for the love of God, please don't let Disney get their slimy white gloved mits on it.
actually if all the movies wore made that there was scripts made for fury road would have been the 8th one. and one movie that was not made was road warrior 2 that was set before thunder dome. and another that was not made was road warrior 3 set before fury road that shows how he got another interceptor ( the one we see at the beginning of fury road).
Max is like Robin Hood in the sense that he is maybe a collection of different people than just one man as Robin of the Hood was a common nickname for a theif/bandit during the late 12th century, so maybe in Mad Max's universe the name "Mad Max" is just a nickname for a drifter.
@@forickgrimaldus8301 Max is most likely hundreds of years old
Oh boy, I'm so happy to have found this channel. As a kid I've always been obsessed with Mad Max and Fallout 1 & 2. Thanks for sharing these well researched videos! ❤
Damn I'd like to have seen Mel in Fury Road, he didn't look too bad in Expendables 3
I also wonder what Heath would have been like as Max, I feel like he wouldn't look as rugged as Mel and Tom but I guess we'll never know
Gibson wasn't absent because of his age, he was absent because of his racism and anti-Semitism. Thank God Miller casted Hardy, It would have been awful for this masterpiece of a film to have a nasty person as its main actor.
@@georgiosioannispappas shut the fuck up
@@georgiosioannispappas your woke contrarian, sod off
6:22 I don't know if it's just me but I would like more of this version of max. It sounds dark but Imagine an unhinged version of him, already broken and MAD.
Such a shame they didn't get Mel Gibson back for Fury Road. As much as I love the movie, it still really bothers me it isn't Mel.
i am glad they've replaced him. he is too old and too crazy (we just need the right kind of mad). sometimes, it's best too move on .
I don't care about how crazy he may or may not be in real life as long as he can give a good performance and portray the character well. Seeing an older Max would be interesting to me. He still looks in pretty good shape for his age anyway when he puts the effort in.
Agreed
I could be cool to see him as a cameo.
And I reckon Tom hardy is much better than mel gibson in about every way possible, but then again I'm from a different generation.
It really pains me to say this because I love Fury Road and it introduced me to the world of Mad Max but I think the film would've been better if it had stayed as the finale to the series. I agree with the writer about the ending, the film was leading up to Max rejoining humanity and now doesn't feel complete. In all honesty Tom Hardy was the perfect actor to take over Max, he's a man of few words and all you have to do is look at Bane from TDKR to see how much emotion Hardy can convey with just his eyes. With that being said, I feel that Max ultimately belongs to Mel, not because he originated the role but because he simply WAS the character, like Harrsion as Indiana Jones or Stallone as Rambo. This likely won't happen but I hope Gibson does get an opportunity to see the character through to the end, even if it's just a camo at the end of a future sequel, Mel really deserves that.
I would have placed it after Road Warrior and Before Thunderdome.
TheLordUrban:
This maybe a little far fetched, but as I see it, The Road Warrior and Fury Road could be the same movie from two different points of view. The two movies are just too similar with only the details being different. The Road Warrior is narrated by the Feral Kid as a recounting of his childhood years later when he is an adult and the leader, Fury Road is narrated by Max himself. Another point is the reintroduction of Max's interceptor which was the last of its kind as stated in Mad Max. If the interceptor was the last of its kind and was totally destroyed in the Road Warrior, then there is no way that he could have rebuilt it, being that parts for it no longer existed.
Same.
TheLordUrban My thoughts
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Fury Road: The telling of a fable. A story around the campfire, "this is what Max did!" - It's a stunning visual film.
Been a Mad Max fan since childhood and I've always thought it would be great if someone made a slick video explaining the timeline and presenting other awesome trivia from the production process. This is totally awesome, great work! Just started playing the video game and I'm pleasantly surprised by how well it captures the spirit of the franchise. I am eagerly awaiting your next video!
Great analysis! Very insightful and eye-opening. With so many people mutated in the aftermath of the Fall, I’d like to think that Rockatansky got lucky and mutated in a way that rejuvenated him.
Man, such a bummer they didn’t have Mel as the lead. I was vaguely familiar with the first movie but utterly confused by the last. Great videos unraveling it all 👏👏
This was truly revealing. I never knew that events in our timeline caused Miller and the team to change events in the MM timeline. I do so wish they could have followed through with Mel Gibson though. He would have looked awesome in all the scenes you described that would have fit the MM story to a fair thee well. Tom Hardy is a really good actor but they would have had to do a lot of make up ageing and, as you said, audience relevance was questionable. Really great analysis and explanation. This is as much about story telling and movie making as it is about MM. Thanks so much for this. Makes me want to watch the whole series again lol.
Wow, the original plan would've been sheer awesome! I would love to see Mel as the aged warrior....
When we got to see Rambo finally find the path to closure it was the best ending for such an iconic hero. Hopefully Max will get the same.
I agree. And it's also quite painful to find out that they had so many cars built for the movie in 2003 in Namibia and they had to cut the whole armada up with blowtorches! The only car that actually made it out of there alive was the Interceptor we eventually got to see in Fury Road in 2015! It's the same car that Mel would've been driving! I mean it probably looks a little bit different but it's still the same car that survived all iterations of Fury Road.
Great analysis.
I've always felt that the first two were the best, Thunderdome was ok, and Fury Road was a comic version of the story line. After seeing all the references to comic books, illustrators, and anime, it makes sense. Artists tend to evolve as do their ideas. A portion of fans don't want that extreme evolution rather something more moderate. But now I understand why I came away from Fury Road disappointed feeling that it was just a hollow caricature of the chase scenes in MM1 and MM2 and why the goon squad was as credible as in Batman Returns. I like the idea that it's a reboot because then it doesn't damage the original trilogy.
This video: Good work.
Fury Road: Love it.
Making it a reboot: Mediocre.
I think it was a good decision. The audience you get in 2015 just wouldn't appreciate the sequel, reboot or standalone was a much better option.
I can never again hear the word "mediocre" without imagining it in Immortan Joe's voice! hah!
I agree reboot was crap the movie was good though but should have been a direct sequel with Mel Gibson portraying a damaged aging Max as the Max we see in the movie as explained in the video couldn't possibly be a "relic from the past" as he is simply too young.
Screw what the audience in 2015 thought (the ones that apparently still think that The Farce Awakens was good).
This movie largely failed because of it being a reboot instead of a closure.
@Mad Max Bible
I have to say great video, and excellent thoughts as well.
I wanted to summarize my personal thoughts on Fury Road however.
If you think about it George Miller DID in fact say it was pretty much a tale of stories told around the camp fire, and finally each one watered down by each interpretation of the storyteller's perspective.
To me when it came to Fury Road? I always interpreted it as a story possibly obscured, forgotten, one that only was rediscovered with the dust collected on it, possibly fragmented due to the sands of time, and attempted to be translated and finally interpreted.
If you take that metaphor, put it to the other movies, and compare them? It fits perfectly interpretation wise as to why we see a different tale to the saga. Take a look at myths of today, where myths inspire and cause writers to create their own worlds at which are their own visions inspired from older traditional visions.
J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth inspired from Beowulf and other mythologies.
Some say G.R.R. Martin inspired by J.R.R. Tolkien and created Fire and Ice aka Game of Thrones
The Odyssey by Homer, later some say was a basis for the Sons of Anarchy tv show. Possibly also the Illiad as well.
So in a way lore reflecting lore, reality inspiring lore if you will. That's the art of storytelling taking what we experience and put it into a storytelling concept that reflects either the experience or in the end reflects the thoughts or opinions of an event.
THAT'S STORYTELLING at the core!
Thank you....
Miller does that on purpose. Behind the scenes you have dates, logic, chronology, stories etc. He needs all of that to build those movies. That's what I'm aiming at. But when the movies come out - he just says he doesn't know, he lies about it..... he flat out lies he is not concerned with chronology. He literally asked actors to come up with backstories for their characters and then consulted it to make sure it fits the bill. This whole 'it's a myth' angle is a facade! It's what he wants you to think. I used to think the same, until I got my hands on production documents and talked to actors, producers, everyone except Miller!! You need to realize this is how Miller works. And that's why I made those videos.
I'm a Canadian. I never knew there was an actual link between Reboot and Mad Max until now. Thank you!
Thank you so much for putting all this together. I 've learnt a ton of stuff about this production.... well done!
Interesting. I really liked Fury Road but in my honest opinion this is a sequel. He could be the feral kid from MM2 Road Warrior but when I think back to to old Mad Max films there was no exact timeline as to where it starts and begins in terms of years.
Most enjoyable couple of videos I've seen in a long time; so well made. Look forward to the game one. I've been a Mad Max fan for over 30 years and you did a flawless job here.
Stay shiny and chrome, indeed, and thank you.
I really loved the glimpses of those Fury Road conceptual art works in this video. Brilliant. I could watch a whole movie based on the art work and story boards alone, 😄(hint hint).
Maybe The Old Max (or Mel Gibbson Max) is telling the story the story of Fury Road and his mind has gotten a little fuzzy. Or told the story as him as a young man ( either way thats where Tom Hardy comes in).
3rd person storytelling had opened up possibilities for interpretation since Mad Max 2. It was Miller's plan to keep those movies interesting (even though he didn't do it consciously for Mad Max 2). But Miller himself has always had a solid logic and vast backstories for those movies, which he never intended to reveal. I find this hidden official lore much more interesting than speculating on fan theories to be honest.
Mad Max Bible Fury Road is sort of told from the mindset of the future wasteland culture - like its a movie adapting historic events. That's why there's a quote from "the first history man" as if that's a real person who we would be familiar with. So Max is younger than he 'should' be since he's always young in the telling. And he always has an Interceptor only to lose just like Arthur with Excalibur
Like I said, that's a storytelling device Miller uses to make people speculate. He wraps those movies in mythology by presenting those movies as 3rd person storytelling. This sort of 3rd person storytelling which blurs what could be real and what isn't (it's called the Rashomon effect) is just a cherry on top, an afterthought after Miller had already created a continuity, solid lore, and background in all of those movies. I'm talking backstories to items, vehicles, random characters... - all of that has its own story and it's rooted in reality.
Miller does that to create complete world of Mad Max that we understand without any exposition. He needs that foundation for Mad Max movies to work.
It's just that after he does that, he adds the 'mythical story' wrapper to it all, he says that MM2 was told from the perspective of the Feral Kid, MM3 was a story by the kids from the Crack In The Earth and Fury Road is apparently a story by some unknown History Man.
He does that to shroud those movies in mystery, to keep people wondering and speculating.
HOWEVER - that doesn't change the fact that underneath it all Miller would be able to tell you the whole backstory to those guys on stilts in Fury Road. He could tell you how Max got his Interceptor back. He could tell you how that world came to be down to specific historical events. But he's not going to reveal that to anyone! He'll always say that he doesn't really know himself... which is BS because I've seen the production documents. I know Furiosa's backstory. I talked to Miller's co-writers who were told to come up with that stuff as well and they don't have any obligation to tell everyone that 'hey guys it's just a myth, all of it, we wrote it as we went along, don't think about it too much!'. No, they told me what happened exactly and how. There's logic for everything in those movies, even as to why Max's Interceptor in Fury Road doesn't have a rear spoiler. There's a story to that too!
So best believe when I hear that 'you should just look at those movies as mythical campfire stories' I call bullshit. There's so much more to those movies than that and that's why I'm making those videos.
I have a thought n the issue...... In "Mad Max", it was explained that his car was the LAST of the interceptors (meaning that no others existed), then in "The Road Warrior", the car exploded ( booby trap placed by Max to keep the car out of the hands of others), but he has the exact same car in "Fury Road", which is destroyed as well. But if you listen to the actual narration of the two movies... the feral kid is the narrator as an adult of "The Road Warrior" recalling what he thinks he remembers, and Max, himself, is the narrator of "Fury Road". My theory is that the two movies are the same story taken from two different perspectives.
Thanks for exposing some details about Fury Road's overlong gestation!
I too was confused with Max beginning to backpedal into the crowd and presumably out to the wastelands after returning to the Citadel. He gives Furiosa a last glance and the two of the them exchange what I interpreted as mutual respect and admiration.
If a potential romance wasn't to occur at this point in time, maybe they'll meet again. The franchise has been left open, unlike in the original script.
After taking in this closing scene the first time in theatres, I gathered maybe that Max sensed the potential for Furiosa to become currupted by taking lead of the Citadel's affairs. Or, he's simply an irreparably damaged loner who prefers only short-term contact with other survivors, even if they've earned his sympathies.
It was Furiosa who wanted to find her point of origin; 'The Green Place', not Max. He very well could've chosen to stay, though.
This is a freaking fantastic series, thanks for posting! I definitely just mentally impose Old Max into the new movie in my head-canon, even though it doesn't completely fit (I "squinted hard enough", as you put it).
I think the reason it's not a big sticking point whether he looks old is that I'm so accustomed to superhero comics/movies that employ the Un-aging Nature of Superheroes trope, where superheroes generally never age (like how the modern Punisher TV series made him a veteran of wars that hadn't even happened when the character was created in 1974).
Max wouldn't be old. 'Mad Max 4: Fury Road' doesn't take place that many years after 'Mad Max 3: Beyond Thunderdome'. In both films, Max is in his 40s and Tom Hardy was 37 when the 4th film was being filmed.
When I first saw the film I always thought that the"Max" in fury road was one of the kids from the thunderdome who had taken on Max's identity
I am so amazed by the effort you've done here. Thank you very much. Could you maybe list the sources as well?
Continuity clearly doesn’t matter to Miller, and the best way to approach these films is as stand-alone stories taking place in the same fictional world, with an archetypal hero who may or may not literally be the same guy. Miller has spoken of Max as folkloric hero, and the movies as representing stories told about that hero by various story-tellers, stories passed down through the generations - so he may be a composite character loosely based on multiple real people who roved the wasteland.
But if you absolutely HAVE TO arrange them in a conventional chronology, it actually makes the most sense to put Fury Road between Mad Max and Mad Max II. Then you don’t need any mental gymnastics about how he rebuilt the interceptor after it’s blown to smithereens. He retrieves it from Immortan Joe’s compound at the end of Fury Road, after Immortan Joe’s forces are defeated, then it’s destroyed sometime later during the events of MM II. Also, he still has the knee brace in Fury Road that he DOESN’T have anymore in Thunderdome, and lacks any of the grey hair he has in that movie.
MMFR: “So, Tom Hardy, we’d like you to wear a mask covering your mouth.”
Dark Knight Rises: “So, Tom Hardy…”
Tom: “Yes. I know. You’d like me to wear a mask.”
I like to think of it like this: 1, 2, game, 4, then 3. It kind of makes sense if you say Max was 20 before the fall, and that the world in Fury Road is 20-25 years old.
It also helps to think of Max as just aging well😂
I see it as a 4th movie. When I first saw it and Max hears the childrens voices in His head, that was all I needed to tie the movie to the other ones.
Me too.
Now that I got the idea in my head, I can't stop thinking about how cool a Mad Max anime would've been (or could be, potentially).
I always looked at Fury Road as a sequel to the original, but starting a new continuity away from RW and BT. Mostly because the Interceptor is in the opening scene, and was destroyed in the original trilogy. I never really bought into the narrative that he rebuilt the Interceptor after BT. Finding all of the parts to build it on that scale would've been next to impossible, especially since the original was the last of its kind. Too far fetched, IMO.
The way it was explained to me by Colin Gibson was that Max went so mad that he literally had to rebuild his car to even remember who he is. He was also decked out for the journey to the Plains of Silence (as we see at the beginning of Fury Road) but at the same time he was a completely damaged man. He had many traits of PTSD and psychosis - I'll talk about that in one of my upcoming videos. But once you hear the full story I think you'll find that it wasn't so impossible for him to rebuild his Interceptor.
One crazy mechanic says it's the last and you take his word as gospel?
TWO crazy mechanics.
@@MadMaxBible I think Colin Gibson was pulling your crankshaft.... or perhaps didn't know and was just speculating. Max had clearly moved on by Thunderdome where he had a new vehicle and a different outlook. He had settled into wasteland living and wasn't PTSD, whacked out, by Thunderdome.
"A piece here, a piece there..." 😁
I watched parts 1 and 2, and was thoroughly entertained, and think you did a great research job on this, and put it all together!
Thanks for taking the time to post this, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
So Max actor changed from a batman villain to a batman villain
LOL
You need to be born with and molded by the darkness to survive the post-ap outback. You need to fuck up Gotham before you grow a man...
Now he's Venom 😂😂😂
You mentioned in Part 1 how George Miller wanted to create a legendary and mystical hero figure out of Mad Max and I think the age inconsistency adds to that feeling in Fury Road. Like you said, much of what he says and how he interacts and reacts to things makes it seem like he's older than he looks. While not intentional maybe, it adds an almost supernatural aspect to his character. Why hasn't he aged? Why does he talk like he's seen all this? Why does he look at the world around him through the eyes of someone who's seen the world before? There's almost a ghost like presence to his character because of this inconsistency and I have to say I like it and that fact that he just leaves and disappears at the end just adds to it.
How would the Board feel about a prequel set in the world of the Main Force Patrol?
The way I like to see it is that the Max we see in fury road is a Ghost, or a lost Spirit of the max we see in the original trilogy. Sometime between beyond thunder dome and Fury road max loses himself entirely (as mentioned) and he essentially fades away, but isn’t given the luxury of death. Instead he is reincarnated as (let’s say) a reverse Fourth horseman of the apocalypse, and his job is to end the apocalypse instead of bring it about so he can finally die and be with the family his former life had lost. This is why he says he was a cop, and why he looks so young, because his memories of a time long forgot stay with him in a new form who’s sole purpose is to find peace.
Incredible work as always dude! You really put a ton of effort into these videos. I hope you make more in the future since us MM fans are extremely grateful for any additional insight and backstory to the films and characters.
As much as I love Fury Road I don't think it could come close to a Mel Gibson version made back in the early 00s where his journey ends going up into the citadel.
Have you any information on the Furiosa anime?
I’ve always wondered about FURY ROAD’s relationship to the original trilogy, and really appreciate your clearing that up.
In honor of the of the Queen of Soul’s passing I watched THUNDERDOME and had a great time. It has its issues, but man, when it works it’s a real blast.
tom hardy simply plays a much older man in fury road
I've always liked the 4 movies being likened to Clint Eastwood's The Man With No Name... A series of losely connected stories/legends, involving the same protagonist, who may well be an amalgam of different events, by potentially entirely different heroes/anti-heroes, again playing into the whole premise of Max being a somewhat mythological character, and the movies merely being oral retellings of those legends...
It simultaneously ties all the movies together, reconciles the discrepancies in the timeline, whilst completely addressing other inconsistencies, such as the existence of the Interceptor in Fury Road after it's destruction in Road Warrior, as well as Max's age and the drastic change in the world - even making the inconsistencies that much better, and all still entirely canon, as the retellings themselves are not meant to be entirely accurate in the first place...
This even allows for the game (which I thought was absolutely brilliant, personally) to fit in perfectly with the events of Fury Road, in particular...
It's pretty easy. Mad Max Fury Road after beyond thunder dome. They just used a new actor to keep the story going.
There. It makes sense.
Great video, I'm a big Mad Max fan and Fury Road in particular is one of my all-time favorite movies.
amazing work
Max states in the opening that it's hard to find who was more crazy, him or everyone else. So it could be he's completely insane and is truly mad with almost no concept of time. He would've been wandering with his own mad mind in an empty repetitive plain for 30 years where the only people who he encountered were also equally insane as him. Keep in mind he's basically at the point where he's known this wasteland nearly as long as the time he's known basic normality. Also Considering there's almost no rest in this world he's probably completely derealised and completely insane so when he hears of some people talking of TV's it doesn't register with him because of the monumental trauma, isolation and a pure animalistic need for survival. That's my take.
Great work men in looking now for a time for a good mad max vids and there can be so much lore en things. Like how did imortal joe get his empire? Keep up the work men
I was just at the Mad Max 2 museum in Silverton a couple of weeks ago. I didn’t get around to asking the owner how he thought Fury Road fit into the timeline. My issue had always been that the interceptor was in one piece and functioning at the beginning of Fury road. It does now make sense that Max somehow by some miracle rebuilt it. Although it does leave me wondering why in thunderdome he is using it as a wagon pulled by camels. This video does now make it clearer how Fury road evolved and fits into the timeline.
Buddy you popped in just at the right time because I just finished making a video explaining the history of the Fury Road interceptor. It should answer your questions and it will be up tomorrow so stick around!
See the funny thing the camel wagon isn't made out of the Interceptor. It was built out of an F-150 pickup truck.
@@sorrenblitz805 That's correct. Also the cab was from a cut XA sedan if I remember correctly. I'd have to check but it belonged to someone on the crew and was not meant to be the Interceptor cab on a new chassis.
I loved this. Great work and THANKS for sharing!
I know this channel is dead but thanx for these vids. Love the Max universe
In one way I feel pain to never see Mel Gibson send off Max but in another way this reboot is what brought me into the Mad Max universe and Its such masterpiece despite all the trouble it uad during development
Awesome video series! Thanks for making them!
Hardy was perfect for that! Sad how other happenings went down, but well -well pleased with how Fury Road turned out.
Tom Hardy is no Mel Gibson, but he still did a damn good job with it imo.
I like the idea of Max (Hardy) being Feral Kid. This would keep the four in line with the kid building memories from legends of Max.
While BOTH parts of this video series of the Mad Max Timeline are brilliant, for me, as someone who saw the original Mad Max in the United States in 1979 at the age of 15, there is ONE THING and ONE THING only that convinced me while watching Fury Road in the theatre then and to this day, that Fury Road is the THIRD FILM in the 4 part Mad Max series.
And that is.....the sight of the "last of the V8 Interceptors" in the opening scene of Fury Road. And ESPECIALLY its destruction shortly after. I IMMEDIATELY turned to my friend beside me and whispered, " So THIS is set between Road Warrior and Thunderdome!"
While the absolutely BRILLIANT freeze frame and digital zoom/enhancement of the various dates in scenes from the first 3 Mel Gibson Mad Max movies revealed in the first part of this series makes for a COMPELLNG and CREDIBLE framing of the timeline of the first 3 movies.....along with the number of days from the nuclear apocalypse tattooed on Tom Hardy's back in Fury Road.....I must say that in the 40 years since seeing the original Mad Max in 1979 and watching ALL 3 FILMS many times over since then, I NEVER REMOTELY saw those little date cues. I dare say NO ONE has until employing the techniques of freeze framing and digital zooming/enhancement.
Therefore....without those above mentioned visual aids, the ONLY natural reaction to THIS film viewer and I dare say EVERYONE I spoke with since then, was to say that Mad Max: Fury Road is the THIRD INSTALLMENT....NOT the last.
Furthermore....if you watch them in THAT order you will see something more than a little heartbreaking for the character Max. So please follow me here for a moment.
In Mad Max you see the destruction and death of Max's family and Max driving the last of the V8 Interceptors at the end of the film after he has killed all the perpetrators.
In Mad Max: Road Warrior you see a MUCH more hardened character STILL driving the last of the V8 Interceptors AND dealing with his personal loss and the loss of the world he knew. However, you see a brief admiration and camaraderie between Max and the female warrior, played by actress Virginia Hey. However, she is killed before any possible relationship could take root.....if ANY could after Max's horrible loss.
In Mad Max: Fury Road you see a STILL YOUNGISH Max STILL driving the last of the V8 Interceptors until its early destruction. While it is rebuilt it is destroyed AGAIN before Max has a chance to drive it once more. At the end of the film you see Max WALKING away from Furiosa, someone LIKE the female warrior in Road Warrior, that, while Max has an admiration for which is mutual with Furiosa, the relationship isdoomed to ever launch because Max is STILL haunted by the death of his family which is why he WALKS AWAY alone into the desert to an uncertain future.
In Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome you NOW see an older, grayer Max ON FOOT WITHOUT A V8 INTERCEPTOR...(because it was DESTROYED in Fury Road)...wandering the blasted out remains of the Outback trying to find his purpose and still haunted by the loss of his family. As with Road Warrior and Fury Road, Max meets YET ANOTHER strong female character in the form of Aunty Entity played by Tina Turner. Although it becomes a relationship of antagonism, there is STILL this admiration that grows between the two but is yet ANOTHER EXAMPLE of a doomed relationship that could never take root. ON TOP OF THAT the lost group of children who survived the plane crash in the desert do nothing but remind Max of his own dead child and he realizes he could NEVER be the father figure this group of children need. So at the end of Thunder Road you see the haunting vision of the aging Max wandering off into the desert yet again in the night....still alone, without a mate and without children.
I REALLY think that if you watch the Mad Max series in this order....Mad Max, Road Warrior, Fury Road and finally Thunderdome.....it makes for a more cohesive narrative and visually makes more sense in the aging of the character from the first film to the last. Of course....visually the only incongruous thing is the introduction of Tom Hardy in Fury Road for the obvious reason is that he looks NOTHING like Mel Gibson.
Finally....if you DON'T watch them in this order, I believe the ONLY way to look at Fury Road is that it is a TOTAL REBOOT and NOT canonical in relation to the Mel Gibson versions.
That's a great comment! Logically speaking, without any input from the creators that looks to be a reasonable timeline of the Mad Max movies. However once you talk to the creators, it is not what they had in mind. What if I told you that they intended Max to be travelling with V8 Interceptor parts in the back of the Camel Wagon in MMBT?. Yep - he was on the quest to rebuild his car since Mad Max 3. There are also a lot of other hints as to why Max is progressively going insane over the course of all 4 movies. Fury Road being the culmination of how batshit crazy he got. And finally - Aunty Entity would never get into a relationship with Max. Aunty is a representation of Max, but that calls for its own video.
But that car blew up in MM2. He wouldn't have had it afterwards.
@@MadMaxBible And when may we expect this video to be made? I am really looking forward to it. :)
Great video mate
I loved Fury Road, and i also straight up thought that going into too much detail felt wrong. It felt like that campfire story type thing.
When we watched it, my missus asked me when he didn't go up with Furiosa, i said, she found redemption, he didn't.
Well, maybe it's a campfire story. That after the trilogy, he became an ageless, mythical character. A part of the new Australian folklore.
I mean, the fall of the world as we know it won't stop people from creating a new culture. And creating stories and tails from whatever they observed. It may be a story from the tribe that he found in Beyond Thunderdome. Or it could be someone whom Max met during his shenanigans.
Jon Blake had locked-in syndrome for 25 years like in Metallica’s video for “One”. A fate far worse than death.
I liked the theory that Max was the fourth horseman of the apocalypse, Death. It would explain his agelessness.
The 4 horsemen are the 4 cardinal signs. Stare at the tarots "the world", "the chariot", reread Ezk137/Ezekiel 37. Mere allegory & parables resulting in the worst outcome of'the game "telephone"' has the masses spooked by nonsensical myths...god help humanity.
That's not really a theory as much as a logical impossibility. Sorry to be blunt but it's true. Absolutely nothing in common between the two characters. "Death" the horseman of the apocalypse isn't a human person it's an allegory...and even if it wasn't, everything of Max we see in all films is him being very un-godlike and suffering and being in weak places several times when he would have just used his power if he was "death" personified.
@Silver Legion how so? For speaking on an esoteric/occultic topic.
@Silver Legion 👌 albeit I'm a woman. Take care.
@@Star17venus The movie is fictional. It's a fictional world. It's not real. It doesn't actually exist. If people want to speculate about horsemen of the whatever in relation to this fictional movie's world, there's nothing wrong with that. *Who cares!*
Read the Mad Max: Fury Road comics they're Canon to Films. As in comic the title characters are many be the same but are drawn differently by many artists; an example Batman.
a little white shoe polish on MAX hair woulda fix everything
I like that they rebooted the series with Hardy. Keeps the mythology going.
Fury Road was a day late and a dollar short to have anything to do with the original Mad Max trilogy. That ship sank.
I agree
@@robertlund5694 Fury Road was a good movie in its own right. But it has no right being part of the Mad Max franchise. There's too much that doesn't fit and too little that does. For starters Max is not even Max. Or at least not the same Max.
Good job on a well presented, well researched piece of content. As a recent subscriber I suspected you would deliver content I wanted and you haven't disappointed! I would love to have seen a movie, or maybe even a TV series about the Feral Boy. I bet that could have been an awesome story.